Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Michael's Life & Clues He Left Us => Documentaries & Interviews with Michael and/or the Family => Topic started by: Miss.Peppers on December 26, 2009, 02:36:15 PM
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I am starting this topic because we have touched on it in other areas, noteably in the area of MJs plastic surgery.
Now i am not starting up a debate on MJs surgery... more about whether MJ lied in his interviews and lied to people for means unknown.
One of the bigger areas that stands out to me is the Bashir interview. Yes i know Bashir is a horrid man but something stuck out to me.
1. MJ states that he only has had two plastic surgeries. Two nose jobs so he could hit higher notes. But my understanding his that he had the first nose job as he broke it in a fall. And i think it fair to say that he also hated his nose after being teased about it.
Also in Moonwalk he admitted to cheft chin surgery... so why deny it in the Bashir interview?
In the Youtube video, the discussion about MJ surgery begins at 6:00
2. MJ changes his story in the Bashir documentary about the relationship with the mother of Blanket. Early in the interview he states he had a relationship with the mother and he was conceived in the natural way. At the end he states she was a surrogate. Again.. why lie?
I know this is a sensitive area for MJ but i cant help but feel if he had said "i used a surrogate as i want a family and i wanted children dearly. I am not in a relationship and have not met the right woman to marry so i decided to do it my way" People would have understood and accepted that. It is clear that Debbie Rowe was a surrogate and he only married her for PR reasons. I also understand MJ is deeply religious and to have children out of wedlock must have been a hard decision for him.
[youtube:1pv8fzic]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ayBiLw4P8Y&feature=channel[/youtube:1pv8fzic]
The point i am trying to make is that in certain areas of his life MJ did lie and mask the truth.
In the quest for truth and in my research in the hoax i have even heard the theory that Paris, Prince and Blanket are not biologically his... and therefore because they are not his children then he would have no qualms about leaving them in order to hoax his death. :?
I hope people reading this post understand where i am trying to come from. I am not bashing MJ but i am pointing out he did/may of lied in the past.
And if we believe in the hoax, then are we not believing that MJ has told the biggest lie of all? :?
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Yes, good points! Michal did tell lies, not that I blame him as personal stuff such as plastic surgery should not be asked. Do they keep asking all the countless "bimbo's" in Hollywood about the boob/nose jobs all the time? Bashir was out of order. Michael was a private person and touchy about stuff like that. Anyway ALL men lie, my Mum told me at an early age and she was right! Yes for him to pull off the hoax he has told the biggest lie-well he hasn't actually-he is "dead"-he's left that to him family, it's just they are not very good at it! :lol:
Like the joke says-how do you tell a guy is lying? answer-he's moving his mouth! :lol:
Can I just say though that we should leave out the question of the kids being his bioligically as he had those kids since birth and if they were biologically his or not he loved them. many many parents love children as if they were biologically theirs if they adopt. I think any child would be hard to leave when you have them from birth no matter what.
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Yeah I noticed these things too. The plastic sugery, well I feel like he had 3 nose jobs and a chin cleft, but I don't believe all the other crazy stuff people say he's had done. But why should it matter if he did anyway? It's his business. People have surgery all the time! I think MJ had to lie though because imagine all the crap he would of got for admitting it. I don't think we'll ever understand how much he had to deal with.
And, about Blanket. I found that very odd. He says that he knew the woman and they had a relationship then claims he has no idea who she is. I kinda feel that he did know her, but didn't want to say. He gets shy about these things and he'd get hassled about it and everyone would be on a search for Blanket's mother. I guess she didn't want to be in the spotlight, and he was sweet enough to respect that, even if it meant lying. I mean, look at Debbie, she can't get away from the press now! Once again, we'll never really understand what MJ went through, and like anyone else he too wanted a private life. Either way, it's clear Blanket is definately his son.
Everyone makes MJ out to be a complete angel who would never tell a lie but come on, he's just human! Ok, maybe he's an angelic human ;) :lol: He needs to keep things private too. If Michael was capable of keeping secrets like the mother of his child secret for so long, if he really wanted to he could keep other things secret. He's MJ! That's why things like this make me feel he is totally capable of hiding a hoax ;) Granted, keeping a child's mother secret and faking your death are completely different, but as long as everyone's willing to keep their mouth shut, you've got the connections and you're doing this for good reasons then ofcourse it's possible!
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To be honest, I think his personal life and whether he reveals the truth in those areas is his choice and really off limits. His kids, his marriages, his plastic surgeries, really have nothing to do with any of us or the world in general. What Michael does in his private life is Michael's business. Michael outside of his personal life is an entertainer and we can freely comment on his talent, dancing, singing, performances because he presents that for all the world to enjoy, to like or dislike.
Whoever Blanket's mother is, it's none of my business. If he married Debbie Rowe for PR reasons or whatever, it's none of my business. If he's had 1,2,3....10 plastic surgeries, it's none of my business. If he has chosen to not be forthright with the above information, then that's none of my buisness. I respect his privacy and concealment in this matters. There's not many people I can think of that broadcast all of the plastic surgeries they have had for the world to know, nor many other celebrities who have had children in alternative circumstances broadcasting the truth in these matters also.
I dunno. I guess for me there isn't a fine line but a very distinct mark when it comes to crossing the boundary of a persons personal and professional life. We really don't have to be told the truth in these matters if a person chooses not to tell us. There are areas in my private life that remain private and not public and even if asked questions regarding it, I keep it this way.
This probably wasn't much help then :) Sorry, but that stuff and him lying about it, doesn't bother me because it has nothing to do with me and he has every right to not reveal it if he doesn't want to.
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Yes, good points! Michal did tell lies, not that I blame him as personal stuff such as plastic surgery should not be asked. Do they keep asking all the countless "bimbo's" in Hollywood about the boob/nose jobs all the time? Bashir was out of order. Michael was a private person and touchy about stuff like that. Anyway ALL men lie, my Mum told me at an early age and she was right! Yes for him to pull off the hoax he has told the biggest lie-well he hasn't actually-he is "dead"-he's left that to him family, it's just they are not very good at it! :lol:
Like the joke says-how do you tell a guy is lying? answer-he's moving his mouth! :lol:
Can I just say though that we should leave out the question of the kids being his bioligically as he had those kids since birth and if they were biologically his or not he loved them. many many parents love children as if they were biologically theirs if they adopt. I think any child would be hard to leave when you have them from birth no matter what.
Absolutely Harleyblonde! My husband and I have 4 biological and 3 adopted children. We love each and every one of them exactly the same. We will always be Mum and Dad to them and they will always be our children. We have raised them from birth and they will always be our kids.
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Personally i don't care about how many surgerys he had... like he said in the interview with Oprah back in 93, people have surgerys everyday, but noone writes about that...
Michael could have had a 100 plastic surgerys and i couldn't care less... It's his life and his skin...
Famous or nonfamous people lies everyday... IMO
@Happy Feet i agree
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Like i said.. i am not starting up a debate over MJs alleged plastic surgeries or the whys and wherefores.. i am saying that he has lied in the past and if we believe the hoax then we are believing that he has told the biggest porker of all time.
And i think it is important to debate the children... because, again, if we believe the hoax then we are believing that he would leave his children.
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I have not had the impression that he left his kids at all.
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Michael should have asked him what the hell did his face have to do with the interview.
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Like i said.. i am not starting up a debate over MJs alleged plastic surgeries or the whys and wherefores.. i am saying that he has lied in the past and if we believe the hoax then we are believing that he has told the biggest porker of all time.
And i think it is important to debate the children... because, again, if we believe the hoax then we are believing that he would leave his children.
Yes as I said you have made some good points and in order to pull of the hoax he would indeed will have to have told a huge porker and as he had told little porkie pies in the past it is actually more believable. Everyone, even the nicest person is actually capable of telling lies even if it is to say a new haircut looks ok when it looks flipping awful but you need to spare the feelings and not hurt someone.
I think you rasing the question of the kids is in actual fact more to do with their ages than anything else. Prince and Paris are big now and soon will be grown up and Blanket of course will look up to them and Paris seems like a little Mother to him so I think in view of this he felt able to leave them as long as needs be in the care of his Mother. He is probably in touch with them every day and is much harder to leave little ones-after all, how many teenagers like to sit with their parents? Older kids nowadays are very independant and like to do their own thing. IMO this is possibly why he has waited until now to do the hoax-he was a broken man in 05 but probably waited until the children were older, could understand and more able to cope without him for a while.
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Michael should have asked him what the hell did his face have to do with the interview.
:D YEAH AND THEN SLAPPED HIM IN HIS WITH A WET FISH :lol: :lol:
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Michael should have asked him what the hell did his face have to do with the interview.
lmao :lol:
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Michael should have asked him what the hell did his face have to do with the interview.
:D YEAH AND THEN SLAPPED HIM IN HIS WITH A WET FISH :lol: :lol:
:lol: You sure do love those wet fish! :lol:
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i think Michael telling a few porkys along the way about his surgery is acceptable.. in my eyes it doesn't bother me.. i noticed about the kids all being from relationships as he said and then he said it was all his produce that he gave to concieve the children.. (to the surogate) and he said she was black for blanket and is remaining annoymous.. i don't think this matters tho either.. its his private life so he can say what he wants.. its really nothing to do with anyone else.. 8-)
i do on the other hand think the kids are fully aware of what is going on.. maybe except blanket who thinks he's on vacation.. and him cryin was just pressure of only being 7 and infront of the world.. :shock:
so as for the hoax he's just tellin a rather large porky.. and only decieving the ones who are willing to be decieved.. smoke an mirrors comes to mind.. patience an endurance is the key.. i think were learning that the hard way in some cases.. :roll:
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Yes you are right, he could have said actually I do not want to answer that or I have had surgery but I do not wish to divulge the details but suffice to say nowhere near as much as has been reported.
The best answer to how many surgeries have you had would have been - Too Many!
He did not do himself any favours by telling lies.
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Yes you are right, he could have said actually I do not want to answer that or I have had surgery but I do not wish to divulge the details but suffice to say nowhere near as much as has been reported.
The best answer to how many surgeries have you had would have been - Too Many!
He did not do himself any favours by telling lies.
I think thats the point i am trying to make, although i am confusing myself. lol
If MJ had just said "no comment" or "i wont answer that" or just told the truth, then it would have been better for him as by lying he created mistrust and i think that mistrust continued with his molestation trial because a lot of people thought "he has lied in the past so he can lie again now". Know what i mean? From the laymans point of view, who doesnt really know the finer details, i could see how that worked against him.
Sometimes i have wondered whether he knew that he was lying and being deliberately confusing and evasive.. and he did that on purpose to seem more mysterious and elusive. 8-)
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Yes you are right, he could have said actually I do not want to answer that or I have had surgery but I do not wish to divulge the details but suffice to say nowhere near as much as has been reported.
The best answer to how many surgeries have you had would have been - Too Many!
He did not do himself any favours by telling lies.
I think thats the point i am trying to make, although i am confusing myself. lol
If MJ had just said "no comment" or "i wont answer that" or just told the truth, then it would have been better for him as by lying he created mistrust and i think that mistrust continued with his molestation trial because a lot of people thought "he has lied in the past so he can lie again now". Know what i mean? From the laymans point of view, who doesnt really know the finer details, i could see how that worked against him.
Sometimes i have wondered whether he knew that he was lying and being deliberately confusing and evasive.. and he did that on purpose to seem more mysterious and elusive. 8-)
ANY answer Michael would of given (whether it was 'no comment' or 'i wont answer that' or the truth) would of been spun into sensationalism, so either way, he would of been in a no-win situation.
As for Blanket, I don't know if any of you recognised this, but back after the minor accident with the paps (when they hit one of the security cars), Blanket went MIA for 3 weeks. No photos or outings caught by anyone. When he finally did emerge after those 3 weeks he was a happy little boy :) .... maybe had some time away with Daddy???? 3 weeks was a long time for him to not be seen in public. :)
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Yes, I noticed too that Michael lied while during the bashir interview. He said she never knew or seen blanket's mother, then he obviously forgot and when asked again said that he knew her but she wanted to remain out of the public eye, in which he didin't blame her. Who knows, maybe he was just trying to protect her identity. Also, when asked about the plastic surgeries he did state that he only had two to his nose. Then got defensive saying others in hollywood had plastic surgery as well. I think you can start with his parents/siblings features and back to his early phonts and almost tell which features have been altered. My observation is that he's had more than two reconstructive nose surgeries, because as the years passed it became thinner and thinner and thinner, possible face lift, something done with his lips, the chin cleft, which is something people just don't develop as they get older and the tatooed eye liner (which is not really surgery,but an alteration). But still, I see nothing wrong with him wanting to improve his appearance or change his features to whatever it is he likes. I think many of us, if we had the extra money would change things on us that we may not like to improve our appearance. Especially those of us over 40. The bottom line is that HE LOOK'S GREAT!
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Please, check out MY video about Michael's alleged surgeries. You'll change your mind about it forever! Now, I am preparing Part two.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg92M0vlJ6k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg92M0vlJ6k)
I'll appreciate any of your comments!
Thank you for watching in advance!
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sorry, i would like to watch, but this link does not work
can you provide another one ?
thank you
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Oh, I'm sorry, it works on my computer, but try this one:
http://www.youtube.com/user/godena (http://www.youtube.com/user/godena)
Thank you!
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Hey everyone,
I'm thinking that MJ did that to throw people off because it is NO ONES business who that childs mother is, how many surgeries hes had. Who gives a damn?!
......he did that to throw people off his trail, because they have no business being on it in the first place.
((LOVE YOU MICHAEL!! TIGHT HUGS AND SWEET KISSES FROM ME!!))
(psydes212(aol)
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He lied because no one wants to hear the truth! When he tells the truth, no one believes him and when he lies no one believes him. His critics who he was trying to play to, already thought he was weird and bizarre and questioned his sexuality and his sex life and any other thing he ever did...Of course when faced with a question like that he is going to be on the defence and when someone feels trapped, often they lie. Had he said "I had no sexual relations and they are in vitro babies" then here would come the rumors that "Jacko" (sorry MJ) doesn't have sex with females or is a virgin at 40 or that he is gay...or that the kids are not even his...I'm sure the LAST thing he EVER wanted was for the public to question if he is the kids father or not, what a thing for them to see when they grow...His lies are done out of the need for self preservation. There is no way we can ever identify with his reasoning for lying as NO ONE has lead the life under the microscope he has and God knows how any of us would handle it. My only wish is that he had someone in his life who could tell him how to say things to the public.
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To be honest, I think his personal life and whether he reveals the truth in those areas is his choice and really off limits. His kids, his marriages, his plastic surgeries, really have nothing to do with any of us or the world in general. What Michael does in his private life is Michael's business. Michael outside of his personal life is an entertainer and we can freely comment on his talent, dancing, singing, performances because he presents that for all the world to enjoy, to like or dislike.
Whoever Blanket's mother is, it's none of my business. If he married Debbie Rowe for PR reasons or whatever, it's none of my business. If he's had 1,2,3....10 plastic surgeries, it's none of my business. If he has chosen to not be forthright with the above information, then that's none of my buisness. I respect his privacy and concealment in this matters. There's not many people I can think of that broadcast all of the plastic surgeries they have had for the world to know, nor many other celebrities who have had children in alternative circumstances broadcasting the truth in these matters also.
I dunno. I guess for me there isn't a fine line but a very distinct mark when it comes to crossing the boundary of a persons personal and professional life. We really don't have to be told the truth in these matters if a person chooses not to tell us. There are areas in my private life that remain private and not public and even if asked questions regarding it, I keep it this way.
This probably wasn't much help then :) Sorry, but that stuff and him lying about it, doesn't bother me because it has nothing to do with me and he has every right to not reveal it if he doesn't want to.
verywell said, happy feet
couldnt be more agree
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I caught some of his lies through the years..but it is ok :lol:
hes human after all..
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Oh, I'm sorry, it works on my computer, but try this one:
http://www.youtube.com/user/godena (http://www.youtube.com/user/godena)
Thank you!
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This was great you photo shop genius you! You need to take it out of this thread and post in a separate topic so everyone can see it! Post it under hoax vids! Excellent work! Now your next one has to be comparing dangerous to his most recent look.
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Michael should have asked him what the hell did his face have to do with the interview.
hesouttamylife, YOU ARE TOO COOL !
yes, he shoud've said that to bashithead and lil' miss oprah
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what if he didnt lie ?
what if the real MJ did only have 2 nose jobs
and the doubles or impersonator that we saw sometimes and we thought it was him
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Here is my opinion on the white lies he has told and on the things he kept private about himself.... :roll:
How many of us go around saying how many diets we've been on, or how much we weigh or?.... much less do we go talk about it on TV for millions to hear.....
So personnaly I'm not certain if this really is weighing in on anything in our hoax investigation. But maybe I'm not looking at it from the proper angle... :?
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@ VeryLittleSusie
those videos are awsome well done!! :)
i'm sure you've all watched dirty dancing.. well jennifer grey who played baby had a nose job after staring in 80's films.. and she's hardly worked since due to it changing her total look.. which i'm pointing out that something as simple as a nose job can change your whole face..
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Thank you!
Now I'm collecting photos to my third vid - smiling Michael, singing, making faces etc...
He really, really changed only his nose...
Tabloids are dumb... They don't see anything...
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I believe he had nose jobs and plastic surgeries, I always believed that, in the chin, eyes, nose and mouth and I hear people arguing about it and all though I believe that, how is it hurting me? Cher had plastic surgery, so did Kenny Rogers. You don't hear about that. The reason MJ lied so much was because look how he was constantly being ridiculed. As for what's true or what's not about Blanket's mother, I don't care. It has nothing to do with me. MJ deserves some privacy in his life and about the plastic surgeries and the lying about it, it doesn't change the way I feel about him. He is a wonderful human being and that's what matters most.
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Regarding Mike "lying" in the Batshit documentary I'd like to point out our latest blog. That theory is built around Mind Control, which causes Dissociative Identity Disorder (alter egos). You will have to read the entire blog and additional information about Illuminati and Mind Control in order to get the full picture.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php)
I'm posting this particular section of our latest blog, as we addressed the Batshit documentary in relation to Dissociative Identity Disorder:
(http://mjhf.redwebs.nl/mkblog/batshit_screen.jpg)
In case more than 2 procedures took place and if Mike is indeed suffering from Dissociative Identity Disorder then he was not lying in the Batshit documentary. The alters would each tell their own truth.
We made a summery of our blog in 5 videos. Please watch them all, but I'm posting part 5 here as it's about D.I.D. and the Batshit documentary.
[youtube:6tbw8e01]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u9LcP3TlX4[/youtube:6tbw8e01]
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@Mo
this theory has played on my mind since i read it!! it all fits in.. yet it feels so bizzar!! i dunno.. :roll:
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I dont care if he did surgeries.. If a unknown person did it, it wouldn't bother anyone.
-They "Care" because it will make money anyways.
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In case more than 2 procedures took place and if Mike is indeed suffering from Dissociative Identity Disorder then he was not lying in the Batshit documentary. The alters would each tell their own truth.
Well, tons of people were tuning in to see Michael Jackson's story, not some alters, so of course they're going to assume he's lying. And technically he- or should I say they, are, because those things they're talking about only happened in their minds, right?
This all just feels so wrong, I wish I could look at that and just see one, normal person again.. it's so intensely depressing that the person I've looked up to the most didn't even have a regular brain for most of his life.. Illumi-a**holes..
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Personally i don't care about how many surgerys he had... like he said in the interview with Oprah back in 93, people have surgerys everyday, but noone writes about that...
Michael could have had a 100 plastic surgerys and i couldn't care less... It's his life and his skin...
Famous or nonfamous people lies everyday... IMO
@Happy Feet i agree
I agree with both of you whole heartedly. People lie all of the time. I don't care about Michael's personal life at all. I wasn't a part of it, I never knew him or knew why he made the decisions he made. All I know is that he made great music and shortfilms and that is more than enough for me. People living in glass houses are forever throwing stones. If you point your finger at someone how many fingers are pointing back at you? Michael isn't the only famous person that has lied. Quite frankly, I truly believe this is the norm in the Entertainment Industry (all forums). Keep the Faith!
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Honestly, if I were him I would have "lied", too. Imagine to "walk in his shoes" for a lifetime - everybody at any time just wanted to get a piece of and know everthing about him...
But he did not owe anything to anybody. He just was no public property. A human person deserves some privacy, even MJ.
Since he learned to distinguish his "public persona" from the private person from a very early age there is nothing wrong with playing with mystical distraction for "image" reasons ... that`s entertainment business / Hollywood / tabloid`s stuff. He grew up on this.
Media (i.e. tabloids) were just dealing with the image - and he just knew how to play this game.
Once he started to mistrust Bashit, I am sure he really did not care anymore since there was nothing to gain anyway ...
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I don't know about the plastic surgeries it's not my business and neither is the paternity of his kids he was a wonderful father to those kids and he was their daddy. My nephews are half black and half white and they are olive skin almost like Italian and their cousins are half black and half white and the daughter has blonde hair. My cousin's boy is very simalar colored to Prince in his hair and skin color so just cause they are light doesn't mean they arn't his biologically. People adopt children everyday so no one questions Brad and Angelina when they adopted 3 children. It's the kind of parenting that is important I once read that Blanket loved Christmas so Michael would have Chirstmas decorations up year round so they can have that joy always. I love that
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Doesn't matter if you think he can hide his personal life or that he does not what the world to know how many surgeries he had... he could have said I do not what to talk about it, but instead he choose to lie... that is the most important thing here he told not 1 but 2 lies...
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To be honest, I think his personal life and whether he reveals the truth in those areas is his choice and really off limits. His kids, his marriages, his plastic surgeries, really have nothing to do with any of us or the world in general. What Michael does in his private life is Michael's business. Michael outside of his personal life is an entertainer and we can freely comment on his talent, dancing, singing, performances because he presents that for all the world to enjoy, to like or dislike.
I couldn't agree more! I'm not bashing this topic, but I agree with you Happy Feet, his personal life, should stay personal, and we shouldn't dig too much. I don't think he'd feel comfortable with half the topics on this forum, but as long as they aren't too outrageous, it's fine.
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First Batshit had not any right to answer Michael these questions. It is highly personal, it's privacy.
I don't know but I believe Michael when he says he only had 2 nose interventions, that his face has naturally changed with time it's not odd to me. Add his skin disorder and it's enough for people to invent crazy things and loose reality. I really find Michael attractive, he has always been.
Regarding his kids and the way they were conceived :shock: wow I remember that I hardly could watch this part it's a so private thing, I felt more than angry against this Batshit who moreover brought Michael to tears !! I just can't tolerate this guy :evil:
I think that sometimes you have to lie for important reasons, you have no choice than hiding the truth, the lie is then acceptable as it is not harmful to anyone. Only God can read in peolpe's hearts and be the Judge of what we do and how we do it.
God Bless You
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To be honest, I think his personal life and whether he reveals the truth in those areas is his choice and really off limits. His kids, his marriages, his plastic surgeries, really have nothing to do with any of us or the world in general. What Michael does in his private life is Michael's business. Michael outside of his personal life is an entertainer and we can freely comment on his talent, dancing, singing, performances because he presents that for all the world to enjoy, to like or dislike.
Whoever Blanket's mother is, it's none of my business. If he married Debbie Rowe for PR reasons or whatever, it's none of my business. If he's had 1,2,3....10 plastic surgeries, it's none of my business. If he has chosen to not be forthright with the above information, then that's none of my buisness. I respect his privacy and concealment in this matters. There's not many people I can think of that broadcast all of the plastic surgeries they have had for the world to know, nor many other celebrities who have had children in alternative circumstances broadcasting the truth in these matters also.
I dunno. I guess for me there isn't a fine line but a very distinct mark when it comes to crossing the boundary of a persons personal and professional life. We really don't have to be told the truth in these matters if a person chooses not to tell us. There are areas in my private life that remain private and not public and even if asked questions regarding it, I keep it this way.
This probably wasn't much help then :) Sorry, but that stuff and him lying about it, doesn't bother me because it has nothing to do with me and he has every right to not reveal it if he doesn't want to.
@HappyFeet
I completly agree with you. Thanks :)
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I don't understand the point of the topic. First of all, MJ is only human. For anyone to make a big deal about him lieing about facial surgery or anything for that matter - has forgotten that maybe he sometimes got sick and tired of everyone asking stupid questions, or everyone wanting to make him into a perfect godlike creature. Yes, he is our MJ, the only MJ, and we love everything about him - but that should also include loving his need to not be honest sometimes. He doesn't owe us anything. We follow him and love him because we choose to do so. We have all with held a truth, or distorted the truth, or even lied once in a while - often because we just felt there was no need for the questioning party to know the truth or facts. Just because the world loves him and is unquestioning in faith to him, does not mean he doesn't have the right to say or hide what he wants to hide.
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I think MJ liked to play around a bit with the media, since they played around with him too!!! How many other celebreties have been asked "how many plastic surgeries have you had done???? No one. And as far as him not wanting to use his own sperm, have you ever thought that maybe MJ didn't want to pass on his medical conditions to his own children????? Growing up with vitiligo was very difficult for him, and passing it on to biological children would be extremely difficult as well. And what about the condition "Lupus"???
Would he really want to pass on those genes if he didn't have to????
MJ has not lied to us.......The family and the others involved in this hoax have lied !!!! And all for a good cause. Hell, I would lie too if it meant saving my son or brothers life.
As always, with love. L.O.V.E xox
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I don´t want to get into the surgery matter.
But we know he lied for shure about the sleeping hyperbaric chamber and even though he included it in the Leave Me Alone video like complainning about the press made up stories.
Yes, I think he likes jokes and playing around with the press.
I can clearly see the naughty naughty boy side of him.
Like maybe playing this hoax? ;)
By the way those genes are wonderful, no?
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He must have told a lot of lies in his life, just to be able to have a life. No one can blame him for that.
About the nose surgery, I think 2 surgeries is not even that far off. If you look at this pic from 2005, the nose just looks the same as the BAD nose. So either he changed it a 100 times back and forth, or he really didn't have that much surgery done and used (OMG, I am going to say it again!) DOUBLES.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/mj.jpg)
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I don´t think MJ have many surgeries either.
He was a pioneer somehow having one (modern cosmetic surgery).
Since then cosmetic surgery has become more and more regular in the common citizen and vips,
unfortunately.
I allways think
"look all that guys! they have destroyed their face expression and they all look the same!"
which is not MJ case at all.
So let´s say, my theory is that the standardization of cosmetic surgery, has evidenced that if you take lots of it, you become looking alike the rest of the people with it.
Standarization of people abusing surgery has evidenced MJ is not one of them.
Not even votox...
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Yeah I noticed these things too. The plastic sugery, well I feel like he had 3 nose jobs and a chin cleft, but I don't believe all the other crazy stuff people say he's had done. But why should it matter if he did anyway? It's his business. People have surgery all the time! I think MJ had to lie though because imagine all the crap he would of got for admitting it. I don't think we'll ever understand how much he had to deal with.
And, about Blanket. I found that very odd. He says that he knew the woman and they had a relationship then claims he has no idea who she is. I kinda feel that he did know her, but didn't want to say. He gets shy about these things and he'd get hassled about it and everyone would be on a search for Blanket's mother. I guess she didn't want to be in the spotlight, and he was sweet enough to respect that, even if it meant lying. I mean, look at Debbie, she can't get away from the press now! Once again, we'll never really understand what MJ went through, and like anyone else he too wanted a private life. Either way, it's clear Blanket is definately his son.
Everyone makes MJ out to be a complete angel who would never tell a lie but come on, he's just human! Ok, maybe he's an angelic human ;) :lol: He needs to keep things private too. If Michael was capable of keeping secrets like the mother of his child secret for so long, if he really wanted to he could keep other things secret. He's MJ! That's why things like this make me feel he is totally capable of hiding a hoax ;) Granted, keeping a child's mother secret and faking your death are completely different, but as long as everyone's willing to keep their mouth shut, you've got the connections and you're doing this for good reasons then ofcourse it's possible!
As far as the surgeries go i DO believe Michael if he said he only had 2 surgeries he only had 2. He said that back in 1993 when Oprah interviewed him and then again with MB. He hadnothing done to his eyes, his lips or anything else i dont think. People's face's change! Some have a "baby" face well into their 20's and 30's and once they hit say 40 it starts to totally change shape. JMO but i dont think he had anything else done. Even if he did i dont care. I love him just the same
Then the Blanket issue well that caught me off guard when he said he didnt know the woman and then he said he did. I totally feel he did know her to some degree. I dont believe he would randomly choose a woman as a surrogate without knowing her somehow. Again JMO and i believe Blanket is his. Always have
Same with Prince and Paris. Michael IS their father, yes even biologically. Just LOOK at those kids. Prince and Blanket both have his eyes. And Prince also has that same pointy ight ear like MJ too.
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Yeah I noticed these things too. The plastic sugery, well I feel like he had 3 nose jobs and a chin cleft, but I don't believe all the other crazy stuff people say he's had done. But why should it matter if he did anyway? It's his business. People have surgery all the time! I think MJ had to lie though because imagine all the crap he would of got for admitting it. I don't think we'll ever understand how much he had to deal with.
And, about Blanket. I found that very odd. He says that he knew the woman and they had a relationship then claims he has no idea who she is. I kinda feel that he did know her, but didn't want to say. He gets shy about these things and he'd get hassled about it and everyone would be on a search for Blanket's mother. I guess she didn't want to be in the spotlight, and he was sweet enough to respect that, even if it meant lying. I mean, look at Debbie, she can't get away from the press now! Once again, we'll never really understand what MJ went through, and like anyone else he too wanted a private life. Either way, it's clear Blanket is definately his son.
Everyone makes MJ out to be a complete angel who would never tell a lie but come on, he's just human! Ok, maybe he's an angelic human ;) :lol: He needs to keep things private too. If Michael was capable of keeping secrets like the mother of his child secret for so long, if he really wanted to he could keep other things secret. He's MJ! That's why things like this make me feel he is totally capable of hiding a hoax ;) Granted, keeping a child's mother secret and faking your death are completely different, but as long as everyone's willing to keep their mouth shut, you've got the connections and you're doing this for good reasons then ofcourse it's possible!
As far as the surgeries go i DO believe Michael if he said he only had 2 surgeries he only had 2. He said that back in 1993 when Oprah interviewed him and then again with MB. He hadnothing done to his eyes, his lips or anything else i dont think. People's face's change! Some have a "baby" face well into their 20's and 30's and once they hit say 40 it starts to totally change shape. JMO but i dont think he had anything else done. Even if he did i dont care. I love him just the same
Then the Blanket issue well that caught me off guard when he said he didnt know the woman and then he said he did. I totally feel he did know her to some degree. I dont believe he would randomly choose a woman as a surrogate without knowing her somehow. Again JMO and i believe Blanket is his. Always have
Same with Prince and Paris. Michael IS their father, yes even biologically. Just LOOK at those kids. Prince and Blanket both have his eyes. And Prince also has that same pointy ight ear like MJ too.
I agree to. Those children are his. The fact that Prince and Paris have lighter skin mean nothing since their biological mother is fair skinned. I see Michael in those children. I also remember those interviews and I felt at the time that he was just protecting the identity of Blankets mother. It could be that after the first interview he started to realize that he wouldn't be left alone until the identity was known so in order to squelch the talk he decided to say "she's a surrogate". How can you track down someone like that? Also - I believe he only had two surgeries on his nose. I've known people who have had more than one nose surgery for medical reasons. It's not strange. Also, we don't hear much about Joan Collins, Kenny Rogers, Pricilla Presley, etc and their plastic surgery was not good so why all of the ongoing drama made for Michael? I've always laughed at the stories of Michael's prostheic noses. Haven't people learned anything after the hyperbaric chamber stories? :lol:
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Haven't people learned anything after the hyperbaric chamber stories? :lol:
That´s the thin, that the hyperbaric chamber seems to be his own lie.
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I think he didn't even knew anymore what to say to those people. If he said that he would have lot of plastic surgery people would act stupid to him and stuff. And if he said he didn't had much, people would not believe it and also act stupid.
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He must have told a lot of lies in his life, just to be able to have a life. No one can blame him for that.
About the nose surgery, I think 2 surgeries is not even that far off. If you look at this pic from 2005, the nose just looks the same as the BAD nose. So either he changed it a 100 times back and forth, or he really didn't have that much surgery done and used (OMG, I am going to say it again!) DOUBLES.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/mj.jpg)
I know! I don't know why it's so hard for some people to just compare pictures real quick.. He really has only had two, and I believe him wholeheartedly on that AND the matter of all three kids being his. Paris doesn't even look straight-up "Caucasian" the way Debbie Rowe does, and I say this because when you see them next to each other, they look really similar, but Paris looks like "ethnic" (i.e. half-black) Debbie..