Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Neverland => Topic started by: IWantYouBack on May 04, 2012, 11:13:12 PM
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Hello everyone!
I hope you're all well and are having a great weekend so far! I've been wanting to share something with you guys for quite a long time now. But to be honest, the experience that I have been wanting to share with you has been playing over and over again in my head so much that I wasn't sure if I should share it or not, or if it was even truly relevant enough to the death hoax to share. But, after reading Tink's interesting experience with the security guard in her beautiful angel at Neverland thread, I thought that I really should share this with you. I would LOVE to get your opinion on the experience I am going to share with you in this thread!
So, in August of 2011, my family and I went to California for a week long family vacation. This was quite a big deal for us because we had flown 5 hours from Canada to enjoy the California sun, the ocean, and to get a chance to see Carolwood and Neverland for the very first time up close for my 17th birthday. We have been to the USA many times, mostly Las Vegas to see Criss Angel, who has also inspired me very much in my life.
After 2 days of driving around Beverly Hills, Los Angeles, and Hollywood looking at celebrity homes and then another 2 days soaking up the sun at the beach, we decided to spend the next three days walking through the Grammy museum and going on other tours, going to see Carolwood, and then going to see Neverland on the last day of our stay in California.
It was a Sunday when we decided to leave our hotel and spend our last day driving two hours up to see Neverland Ranch. I had been looking forward to it the whole trip! The drive up there didn't seem long at all, it was very fun, actually! We got a chance to drive up mountains, see beautiful scenery, and stop off at a McDonald's to eat (not a very fun or fancy restaurant, I know, but we didn't have much time and we were all hungry haha!). I had on short jean shorts, flats, a Michael Jackson t-shirt, and a Michael Jackson necklace that I had designed and made myself. I haven't taken it off in years since I made it.
When we got to Neverland, it was even better than I had imagined! It was very well kept, the gates were beautiful and clean, and there weren't many fans there. It was just us for the first 10-15 minutes when we arrived, which was nice and private and it gave us a chance to walk around quietly and read some of the messages that were written to Michael on the rocks. When I went to go read the messages on the rocks, the very first message, or word I should say, that I read was simply, "BeLIEve". That struck me very odd, because the night before I prayed and asked God if he could please give me a sign that Michael is truly still here with us when my family arrived at Neverland. So, since I am a very strong Christian, I took that word "BeLIEve" as sign #1 from God. I remember saying a quiet "thank you" to God after I read it.
After we looked around the area a little bit, my family and I went up to speak to the guard about Michael while we were still alone on the property. The guard was bald, had an accent (couldn't tell which kind of accent), and was about 6'0'. Since I am a BeLIEver in Michael's hoax and truly believe that Michael may be there at Neverland, I thought I would try to get at least a little bit of information out of the guard. To get as much information as I could, I tried my very best to play the "sweet, young, harmless, innocent little girl" card. So, when we went up to the guard, I said, "Hello sir! How are you? I can't believe I'm really here... This is so surreal." Then the guard asked me where I was from. I said, "Canada." Then he said, "Wow, Canada, that's cool!" Then I said, "Haha yeah, I've always wanted to come here. Michael's inspired me so much, he's been such a positive influence." The guard then said, "Well that's really sweet." I then started fidgeting with my necklace. It's bad habit that I have, so I didn't really notice that I was doing it. While I was fidgeting, to try to get information from the guard, I quietly said, "It's weird. Being here at Neverland, it kind of feels like that Michael is still here. Like he's actually not really gone... But still here with us, like physically." Then there was complete silence for about 5-10 seconds. The guard was just starring at my necklace. He then said, "I can't help but admire your necklace! It's not from his merchandise is it? I've never seen it before." Then I replied, "No sir, I made it myself." Then, he said, "It's very nice, he should really come out and see this, he would love it!" Then, silence again. I couldn't BELIEVE what I had heard! HE SHOULD COME OUT AND SEE THIS?! I couldn't believe it and to this day I still can't believe it! Then, to break the silence, I finally had the confidence to say, "What do you mean he should come out and see..." Then, I stopped talking. I felt someone coming up behind me. I turned around and there was a short, pudgy Mexican man. He had grey hair, wrinkles on his face, and looked miserable. He wore all grey. He kept following my family and I around as if we were up to something bad. He followed us for a good 5 minutes. Then, I had the confidence to talk to the man. I said, "Excuse me, am I allowed to be here?" The Mexican man nodded. Didn't say a word. Just a nod. Then, I turned back around and the guard had gone back inside the little building inside of the gates. So, I went back to reading the messages on the rocks. The Mexican man, once again, following me and watching my EVERY move. He was watching me like a hawk. I never had such an uneasy feeling in my life. Even on the way back to the hotel I had the feeling of being watched by him. But even with that feeling, the whole way home I couldn't stop thinking about what the guard had said to me. "HE should come out and see this." He said this right after I mentioned Michael's name. It was honestly really weird. It was one of those things where I KNEW something was up and that this guard had blabbed his mouth because after he said it, I never spoke to him again. He never showed himself after that, and we left.
Has this happened to any of you? Do you guys know who that little Mexican man is? I have attached 3 pictures from my stay at Neverland to this thread. A fun one of my doing my toe stand (forgive me for not looking my best in the picture, I was in the car all day and it was incredibly windy), the word "Believe" written on the rocks, and the last one is where you can see the back of the Mexican Man very slightly.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z220/JennyCDJCandy/th_327782_10150269035187517_563992516_8112799_3385338_o.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z220/JennyCDJCandy/?action=view¤t=327782_10150269035187517_563992516_8112799_3385338_o.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z220/JennyCDJCandy/th_331192_10150269046212517_563992516_8112955_1195688_o.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z220/JennyCDJCandy/?action=view¤t=331192_10150269046212517_563992516_8112955_1195688_o.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z220/JennyCDJCandy/th_336914_10150269041227517_563992516_8112888_3989252_o1.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z220/JennyCDJCandy/?action=view¤t=336914_10150269041227517_563992516_8112888_3989252_o1.jpg)
What do you think? Weird, or not so much?
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Hi IWantYouBack :) Thank you for sharing your experience at Neverland, it was pleasure to read :) You sure had a lot of fun there.
That words of bodyguard about Michael to come out and see your necklace is really odd. I wonder if he said something like that to a nonbeliever, would not be that odd for a nonbeliever?
Very interesting story, indeed :) Have a nice day!
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:affraid: :affraid: :affraid: :affraid: :multiplespotting:
While I was fidgeting, to try to get information from the guard, I quietly said, "It's weird. Being here at Neverland, it kind of feels like that Michael is still here. Like he's actually not really gone... But still here with us, like physically." Then there was complete silence for about 5-10 seconds. The guard was just starring at my necklace. He then said, "I can't help but admire your necklace! It's not from his merchandise is it? I've never seen it before." Then I replied, "No sir, I made it myself." Then, he said, "It's very nice, he should really come out and see this, he would love it!" Then, silence again. I couldn't BELIEVE what I had heard! HE SHOULD COME OUT AND SEE THIS?! I couldn't believe it and to this day I still can't believe it! Then, to break the silence, I finally had the confidence to say, "What do you mean he should come out and see..." Then, I stopped talking. I felt someone coming up behind me. I turned around and there was a short, pudgy Mexican man. He had grey hair, wrinkles on his face, and looked miserable. He wore all grey. He kept following my family and I around as if we were up to something bad.
I think you must have put a spell on the guard, so he couldn't think straight for a second :icon_razz: :icon_lol:. I'll bet he was kicking himself pretty good after what he said. Perhaps he pressed an alert button in his booth, so the extra security came to eye you. I bet he got in deep doodoo for what he said, with the 'Big Boss'!!
Thank you so much IWantYouBack for sharing your adventure! After Tink's angel story, this adds to something special happening at Neverland!!
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@IWantYouBack - Thanks for sharing. Your experience is actually quite relevant!
Oh, can you take a photo of what you made of your necklace? That would be cool!
In that area, no one is bad, btw. Do you have a larger photo of this pudgy man? Because he may have been Michael in disguise, if he was 5'8" tall - trying to take a look at your necklace, after listening to what the gate guard had said.
Thanks for your information about the tall bald dude at the gate. Yes; he does have an accent I can't place. And, yeah, his eyes twinkle, and he talks AROUND subjects if he can - so he doesn't lie. That's a deviation I catch onto.
Where was that big rock, btw? I admit, I wasn't looking down - but around me that afternoon, during a break in the bad weather.
When added to my experience from St. Patrick's day this year, it paints a complete picture now.
@MJonmind - He uses his accent as a "free get out of jail card" on subject matters when stuck. He also motions up to the sky, instead of saying the "d" word, which made me laugh inside. He knows English very well. He's a good man.
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I know Neverland would seem too obvious for Michael to be there,
but I really think we need to investigate Neverland more. Open a
"Is Michael living at Neverland" thread. There are people coming
and going there all of the time. We need someone posted there lol,
maybe someone could pitch a tent there and relay information to us haha
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^^ No, if anyone thinks he's at Neverland, just leave him be.
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Then why are we even here. why are we investigating everything, finding information, clues. Isnt this to
find out if Michael is still alive. Whats wrong with investigation Neverland more? It is no different to investingating forrest lawn or carolwood or anything else. I dont mean we should really camp outside the gates, just joking.
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@IWantYouBack and @Tink.... thank you very much from the bottom of my heart for your news about Neverland, it has been very useful to get an idea of what's happening up there in Neverland, I wish I could go soon and be able to talk to the bald man again to try to get more slip ups from him ! :icon_mrgreen:
:bearhug: :bearhug:
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Annie, I'm sorry I didn't mean to snap. It's just that I don't need to know where he is to know he's alive. He's here, there and everywhere, and that's good enough for me!
'Investigating' Neverland is IMO very different from investigating Forest lawn or Carolwood as no-one thinks he's actually living in either of those places whereas theoretically he COULD be at Neverland, and if he is, like I said, leave him be.
Anyway, I'm of the opinion he won't be 'found' till he's good and ready, campers or no campers!!
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Wonder what the guard would have said/done if you had replied, well go get him, I’d love for him to see it, as if it was the most natural thing in the world to say. I can almost imagine the look that would have come over his face. :icon_lol:
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Then why are we even here. why are we investigating everything, finding information, clues. Isnt this to
find out if Michael is still alive. Whats wrong with investigation Neverland more? It is no different to investingating forrest lawn or carolwood or anything else. I dont mean we should really camp outside the gates, just joking.
Nothing is wrong with investigations. But we are NOT here to find Michael. At least I am not here for this purpose.
If I'd know where he were, I'd keep my mouth shut, that's for sure.
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@Curls....if Michael is living in Neverland and we get to know that for sure he will be safe and sound cause nobody of us is gonna tell "nada" outside this forum, our love and respect for Michael is so huge that none of us would hurt Michael, no way... believe me... :moonwalk_:
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I have said this a long time ago. The one place that no one would ever expect Michael
To be would be --- Neverland. So to me that would be the best place for him.
And what about them cement trucks :O))
But we need to leave it alone --- if he is ever ready he will let us all know.
I just hope he is Happy and Well.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :)
:bearhug:
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@Curls....if Michael is living in Neverland and we get to know that for sure he will be safe and sound cause nobody of us is gonna tell "nada" outside this forum, our love for Michael is so huge that none of us would hurt Michael, no way... believe me... :moonwalk_:
As much as I think that Michael might enjoy being Waldo in a global game of Where's Waldo? at some point...I don't think that's in his game plan at this moment in time. I know there are sooo many who want those kind of details but we have to remember that this forum is very public and therefore read by people that I'm sure he'd rather not know just where he is...for now. It isn't up to us to decide when he should be revealed...he'll reveal if and when he's ready and has accomplished what he set out to do...we should respect that I think.
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Hello everyone!
I hope you're all well and are having a great weekend so far! I've been wanting to share something with you guys for quite a long time now. But to be honest, the experience that I have been wanting to share with you has been playing over and over again in my head so much that I wasn't sure if I should share it or not, or if it was even truly relevant enough to the death hoax to share. But, after reading Tink's interesting experience with the security guard in her beautiful angel at Neverland thread, I thought that I really should share this with you. I would LOVE to get your opinion on the experience I am going to share with you in this thread!
So, in August of 2011, my family and I went to California for a week long family vacation. This was quite a big deal for us because we had flown 5 hours from Canada to enjoy the California sun, the ocean, and to get a chance to see Carolwood and Neverland for the very first time up close for my 17th birthday. We have been to the USA many times, mostly Las Vegas to see Criss Angel, who has also inspired me very much in my life.
After 2 days of driving around Beverly Hills, Los Angeles, and Hollywood looking at celebrity homes and then another 2 days soaking up the sun at the beach, we decided to spend the next three days walking through the Grammy museum and going on other tours, going to see Carolwood, and then going to see Neverland on the last day of our stay in California.
It was a Sunday when we decided to leave our hotel and spend our last day driving two hours up to see Neverland Ranch. I had been looking forward to it the whole trip! The drive up there didn't seem long at all, it was very fun, actually! We got a chance to drive up mountains, see beautiful scenery, and stop off at a McDonald's to eat (not a very fun or fancy restaurant, I know, but we didn't have much time and we were all hungry haha!). I had on short jean shorts, flats, a Michael Jackson t-shirt, and a Michael Jackson necklace that I had designed and made myself. I haven't taken it off in years since I made it.
When we got to Neverland, it was even better than I had imagined! It was very well kept, the gates were beautiful and clean, and there weren't many fans there. It was just us for the first 10-15 minutes when we arrived, which was nice and private and it gave us a chance to walk around quietly and read some of the messages that were written to Michael on the rocks. When I went to go read the messages on the rocks, the very first message, or word I should say, that I read was simply, "BeLIEve". That struck me very odd, because the night before I prayed and asked God if he could please give me a sign that Michael is truly still here with us when my family arrived at Neverland. So, since I am a very strong Christian, I took that word "BeLIEve" as sign #1 from God. I remember saying a quiet "thank you" to God after I read it.
After we looked around the area a little bit, my family and I went up to speak to the guard about Michael while we were still alone on the property. The guard was bald, had an accent (couldn't tell which kind of accent), and was about 6'0'. Since I am a BeLIEver in Michael's hoax and truly believe that Michael may be there at Neverland, I thought I would try to get at least a little bit of information out of the guard. To get as much information as I could, I tried my very best to play the "sweet, young, harmless, innocent little girl" card. So, when we went up to the guard, I said, "Hello sir! How are you? I can't believe I'm really here... This is so surreal." Then the guard asked me where I was from. I said, "Canada." Then he said, "Wow, Canada, that's cool!" Then I said, "Haha yeah, I've always wanted to come here. Michael's inspired me so much, he's been such a positive influence." The guard then said, "Well that's really sweet." I then started fidgeting with my necklace. It's bad habit that I have, so I didn't really notice that I was doing it. While I was fidgeting, to try to get information from the guard, I quietly said, "It's weird. Being here at Neverland, it kind of feels like that Michael is still here. Like he's actually not really gone... But still here with us, like physically." Then there was complete silence for about 5-10 seconds. The guard was just starring at my necklace. He then said, "I can't help but admire your necklace! It's not from his merchandise is it? I've never seen it before." Then I replied, "No sir, I made it myself." Then, he said, "It's very nice, he should really come out and see this, he would love it!" Then, silence again. I couldn't BELIEVE what I had heard! HE SHOULD COME OUT AND SEE THIS?! I couldn't believe it and to this day I still can't believe it! Then, to break the silence, I finally had the confidence to say, "What do you mean he should come out and see..." Then, I stopped talking. I felt someone coming up behind me. I turned around and there was a short, pudgy Mexican man. He had grey hair, wrinkles on his face, and looked miserable. He wore all grey. He kept following my family and I around as if we were up to something bad. He followed us for a good 5 minutes. Then, I had the confidence to talk to the man. I said, "Excuse me, am I allowed to be here?" The Mexican man nodded. Didn't say a word. Just a nod. Then, I turned back around and the guard had gone back inside the little building inside of the gates. So, I went back to reading the messages on the rocks. The Mexican man, once again, following me and watching my EVERY move. He was watching me like a hawk. I never had such an uneasy feeling in my life. Even on the way back to the hotel I had the feeling of being watched by him. But even with that feeling, the whole way home I couldn't stop thinking about what the guard had said to me. "HE should come out and see this." He said this right after I mentioned Michael's name. It was honestly really weird. It was one of those things where I KNEW something was up and that this guard had blabbed his mouth because after he said it, I never spoke to him again. He never showed himself after that, and we left.
Has this happened to any of you? Do you guys know who that little Mexican man is? I have attached 3 pictures from my stay at Neverland to this thread. A fun one of my doing my toe stand (forgive me for not looking my best in the picture, I was in the car all day and it was incredibly windy), the word "Believe" written on the rocks, and the last one is where you can see the back of the Mexican Man very slightly.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z220/JennyCDJCandy/th_327782_10150269035187517_563992516_8112799_3385338_o.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z220/JennyCDJCandy/?action=view¤t=327782_10150269035187517_563992516_8112799_3385338_o.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z220/JennyCDJCandy/th_331192_10150269046212517_563992516_8112955_1195688_o.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z220/JennyCDJCandy/?action=view¤t=331192_10150269046212517_563992516_8112955_1195688_o.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z220/JennyCDJCandy/th_336914_10150269041227517_563992516_8112888_3989252_o1.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z220/JennyCDJCandy/?action=view¤t=336914_10150269041227517_563992516_8112888_3989252_o1.jpg)
What do you think? Weird, or not so much?
ummm wouldn't it be something if you were not the only one looking for a sign from God and he got his too . :icon_e_wink: :penguin:
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@Curls....if Michael is living in Neverland and we get to know that for sure he will be safe and sound cause nobody of us is gonna tell "nada" outside this forum, our love for Michael is so huge that none of us would hurt Michael, no way... believe me... :moonwalk_:
As much as I think that Michael might enjoy being Waldo in a global game of Where's Waldo? at some point...I don't think that's in his game plan at this moment in time. I know there are sooo many who want those kind of details but we have to remember that this forum is very public and therefore read by people that I'm sure he'd rather not know just where he is...for now. It isn't up to us to decide when he should be revealed...he'll reveal if and when he's ready and has accomplished what he set out to do...we should respect that I think.
That's exactly the point, Love4Michael - almost certainly there are people watching here who have hurt MJ and would happily do so again. It's wise to keep that in mind.
We are NOT here to find him - it says as much on the blurb on the home page - and I intend to stick to that statement.
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Thank you so much for sharing this information dear :) wow First of all let me tell you that you are a very lucky girl :th_bravo: I think he didn't even realized at first what he said ;D And about the sign , you are right I am a christian too and I believe that God showed you exactly what you needed to see...and as a bonus he made that man talk :icon_e_wink: I am sure that MJ is alive, where he is I don't know.I pray for him and his children all the time and I hope he is well & happy now.One day I want to go and see Neverland gates ...maybe God will make a little miracle for me . Blessing to all
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:bearhug: Thanks IWantYouBack for sharing this wonderful experience...is my dream traveling to America , :michael-jackson: especially in Los Angeles and Neverland.. :icon_razz: Sooner or later I will succeed :icon_bounce: but is also beautiful to live my dream's places trought the stories of those who saw them :compute: Really thanks :bearhug:
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I don't really want to know where Michael is now, he deserves to live his life the way he had chosen however I am here on this forum just waiting for his BAM and be able to enjoy him again, on the other hand I do not think any of us were able to come to know if Michael is living in Neverland or not, he is too smart to be caught by someone.
:smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv: :smiley_abuv:
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@curls - I wasn't hunting down Michael, btw. I was trying to show myself how far I could drive...one gets tired of being called useless, because of their medical condition. I have only me, to help me.
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Incredible. Did he really say that :icon_eek:?!
Yeah maybe Mike lives underground at Neverland.
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Very interesting, IWantYouBack. Thanks for sharing. Wow...had that been me, I would have kept at the guard to find out what he meant. Did he look blushed or did he correct himself (like Jermaine with the airport/hospital thing)? :) Anyways, it's too bad you didn't get a pic of the other guard...but then you did say he was short, so it couldn't be Michael right? Oh, and I'd like to see your necklace that you made too. :icon_e_wink:
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@curls - I wasn't hunting down Michael, btw. I was trying to show myself how far I could drive...one gets tired of being called useless, because of their medical condition. I have only me, to help me.
No worries Tink, I never thought you were.
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Then, he said, "It's very nice, he should really come out and see this, he would love it!"
To be fair, he could have been saying this in a teasing way, playing along with you, since he could see you were a beLIEver. There must be many aggressive, sneaky, manipulative, perhaps even rabid fans that come from time to time, that this guard would be experienced in dealing with--with a little humor, or tough authority, according to the moment.
Curls, I agree we're here to get to know the man, not go where he is, at least not until he makes his public entry--Bam!
Of course anyone besides us, think we're crazy thinking we have any contact with the 'dead' man anyway... :icon_rolleyes:
Here's a girl who DID try to track him down, and was rewarded time after time! Even though I envy her the real physical presence with him, I don't think she had the beautiful sharing of thoughts, kidding around we've had here. This has been the best gift!!
Michael Jackson 2007 (http://www.michaeljacksonthelastangel.com/michael-jackson-2007.html)
(http://www.michaeljacksonthelastangel.com/image-files/michael-jackson-talitha-2007.gif)
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Ok I dont get it then, sorry. Why are we even bothering. If we are all just waiting for BAM, then lets just
wait. Dont bother trying to work out if he was the 02 guy, dont bother wondering if it was him in the helicopter, dont bother trying to find out if it was him on the autopsy pic, dont worry if he was hat man, dave dave, blonde hair lady. Lets just wait and see what happens. Why are we even wondering or trying to work out where he is if we dont really care. I mean we care if he is alive and well and happy. But we all believe he is alive, so thats the main thing, so lets just wait. If we dont want to know where he is WHY are we talking about it on here!
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I would love to know where he is .....Don't tell me, any of you that it doesn't matter where he is as long as we know he is alive, yes it does ! If he want's to be found he will be found .If he want's to come back he will do that sooner or later.I don't think he will leave us like this ,something must happen :abouttime:
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Ok I dont get it then, sorry. Why are we even bothering. If we are all just waiting for BAM, then lets just
wait. Dont bother trying to work out if he was the 02 guy, dont bother wondering if it was him in the helicopter, dont bother trying to find out if it was him on the autopsy pic, dont worry if he was hat man, dave dave, blonde hair lady. Lets just wait and see what happens. Why are we even wondering or trying to work out where he is if we dont really care. I mean we care if he is alive and well and happy. But we all believe he is alive, so thats the main thing, so lets just wait. If we dont want to know where he is WHY are we talking about it on here!
Because those of us who've seen him, want to reassure the others, he's for real. We won't tell anyone exactly where, to keep his security up. I came onto this board, because I had news of an actual citing of him, via a friend of mine. I placed it between San Diego and Carlsbad, to protect him - in case any of his enemies were reading this board, they most certainly couldn't pinpoint him, because it would place him between the 5, 8, 805, 15, 91, 405, 101 freeways to locate him - perhaps as deep inland, as Temecula, Lake Elsinore, or even San Bernadino. THAT is why I gave those general outlines of cities: literally looking for a needle in a haystack!
I've had enough stalkers, myself, to last a lifetime, myself. And THIS ALL is why I won't ever divulge any specifics about Michael, other than he lives.
I care, because I know what it's like to have few people you can trust. I know what it's like to be on top of the world, and people pretend to be your friend, and ride your gravy train with you - and then disappear, when they think you have nothing. Fair weather friends, and as far as I'm concerned, those types should burn in HELL because they move from one victim, to another, simply taking the scraps from "the dinner plate" like dogs.
Because when you're at your lowest, is when you need people you can trust. What I've been through. Only when you're perceived as broke? That's when you find your real friends - not ones out of pity, either. Ones who are true blue, good of heart, etc.
Just because you are smart or MENSA status, doesn't mean you're prepared for every single move by a snake. I learned the hard way. At least those people are gone, along with the money.
I've only seen money as a tool to get what you need; not build your life around it. I've wanted/needed only a few things in my life, and my mistake was having a snake watch my back - they don't; they eat you ALIVE.
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@MJonmind.... you are soooooooo lucky girl! I wish I could hug Michael the way you hugged him! :over-react-smiley:
@Annieareyou.... we are here to look for clues and hints and to connect dots since Michael pull this hoax out to be unfolded by all of us, isn't it? I don't think we are disturbing him, the other way around we are honoring him, IMHO :moonwalk_:
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Hey everyone! Thank you all so much for your feedback! I really appreciate all of your opinions and I'm so glad I told you all about my visit! I honestly love all of you here. Every time I post a thread or reply to a post, you guys always give me great, honest, positive feedback. I feel like I can share anything with you guys so thank you! :)
@MJOnMind: I definitely understand what you're getting at when you talk about humor and how the guard may know how to deal with all types of fans. However, this was not in any way a joke. I'm a 17 year old girl with plenty of friends and family members with dry, sarcastic humor. It's very easy to tell if someone is joking or not. However, this time at Neverland wasn't a joke. I was wearing sunglasses and my head was down when the man said that Michael should come out and see my necklace. But, my eyes were aimed up at his face - and the look on that guard's face after he said it was like, "Omg, what did I just say?". I also find it odd that right after he said that, he went inside the building inside the gates and never showed himself again until after I left the property. There's a reason for that. If it was a joke, I think he would have continued to show himself and speak to me. Also, I never said that I was a full-out BeLIEver. I just said that it feels like he's still here. I never said I was sure. It's like when someone loses a loved one and they say "He's still here with us", so I don't think he knew for certain that I was a beLIEver. But, honestly, it was just one of those "you had to be there" moments to really realize that no one was joking, not even in the slightest. But thanks sooo much for replying. :)
@Tink: Thanks so much for replying! The Mexican Man was definitely inches taller than me. I am 5'2, so my best guess for the Mexican Man's height would be about 5'9. As far as I know, that is the only picture that I have of him, I wish I had more. But, just in case, I will look through my album again and see if I caught a glimpse of him in any others pictures. Also, Tink, I am very interested in hearing about your friend's sighting of Michael! Did you post a thread about it? If so, would you mind giving me the link?
Oh, and for those of you wanting to see my necklace - it's actually getting fixed right now! It broke last week. I was carrying my dog and his paw got stuck in it, ripped it off my neck, and broke the chain! It's been at the store for a week now so once it's fixed and I get it back, I'll gladly post a picture of it up! :)
Also, I do agree with the people who are saying that we're not here to find Michael. But, since there are so many weird things happened at Neverland recently, I do think we should be investigating it more without the motive of actually trying to find Michael. We've been looking for clues and investigating since June 25, 2009 and things have been quiet around the forum lately. So I think now's a great time to start really investigating Neverland to see if there are any more clues or information regarding Michael being alive, not regarding Michael actually living and in hiding there (even though I believe in my heart that he is there, and if he is, I think we should leave him alone and look for clues, not for him).
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@IWantYouBack... every time you post you make my day darling and you are so sweet... there is only a problem in this whole story ***I hope the poor guard don't be fired after his slip up*** :affraid:
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@IWantYouBack... every time you post you make my day darling and you are so sweet... there is only a problem in this whole story ***I hope the poor guard don't be fired after his slip up*** :affraid:
Aw thank you soo much! ^_^ You're sweet too! God Bless. :)
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That's very interesting - thank you for sharing. Did you happen to see the Mexican's eyes? Thinking back, do you think that man could have been Michael in disguise? I can see him doing something like that - roaming freely and mingling with others without anyone bothering him. Maybe you were a test - because Michael always says that children can spot him in disguise. Not that you are a child, but you still have a certain amount of innocence about you that older people don't have. Just a thought.
Tink - I know you've met Michael before but I don't remember reading this about your friend's siting of Michael. I guess she/he must be trustworthy for you to believe what you were told? This was before you were a full beLIEver? I don't want to know locations either but did your friend say anything about who Michael was with and if he looked healthy?
Blessings :)
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This whole story sounds a little far out.
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@MJonmind.... you are soooooooo lucky girl! I wish I could hug Michael the way you hugged him! :over-react-smiley:
Oh I wish it were true, but sadly, no... :-\ That's certainly not me, but the girl in the link I posted. She tells of her many encounters--don't know if she would categorized as a stalker. MJ seemed to genuinely enjoy seeing her faithful support.
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@IWantYouBack... every time you post you make my day darling and you are so sweet... there is only a problem in this whole story ***I hope the poor guard don't be fired after his slip up*** :affraid:
I saw the guard this past March. Yup, still there. Just a lot more cautious with what comes out of his mouth!
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This whole story sounds a little far out.
@Bec - Why does it? She has photos. If anything, I'd think mine sounds a bit far out - except it really happened, and the poor night guard saw it all unfold, along with the neighbor and me.
God works in mysterious ways - and I've given up questioning why, as that's useless with the Great Creator.
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I guess 'MJ' (maybe) gave him another chance! Or MJ didn't hear about it, and the guard hopes it'll stay yours and his 'little secret'! :errrr:
But MJ knows NOW!!! :LolLolLolLol:
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I guess 'MJ' (maybe) gave him another chance! Or MJ didn't hear about it, and the guard hopes it'll stay yours and his 'little secret'! :errrr:
But MJ knows NOW!!! :LolLolLolLol:
And he knows about the snow...I think he values good employees, and minor slip-ups can always be blamed on language barriers.
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I think so @MJonmind since we believe Michael is reading our posts I guess he has already gotten to know about his guard's slip up! but Michael will be not mad at him as long as he count it as one more clue for the hoax clues list, hee hee..... :icon_mrgreen:
@IWantYouBack...beautiful voice for a beautiful girl sweetie, thanks for sharing :th_bravo:
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This whole story sounds a little far out.
Hi Bec, I appreciate you taking the time to read my story. But this was one of the reasons why I was hesitant to share it. If Michael taught me one thing, it's that no matter what you might say or do, there's always going to be someone ready to take you down and not believe you and Michael taught me to always stand up for myself and for what I believe in, so I am.
Do you honestly think that I would create and write a super long thread based on a lie? There's a reason why I posted the pictures in the first place. I knew someone would try to take me down and claim that my experience is a lie and never happened. So, I provided as much proof as possible by posting pictures of everything I talked about in my first post (the Believe rock, the Mexican Man, and me at Neverland). What else more do you want from me in order to prove that this REALLY happened? A video of me speaking with the guard? Well I'm sorry, I'm not psychic, I didn't know he was going to make such an obvious slip up and I couldn't get my video camera out in time to zoom in and record his face.
I've been a member of this forum for over two years and never once have I posted or created a lie. I love and appreciate all of the members here. We're a family and I would never disrespect any of you by tampering with your emotions and feelings towards Michael and the hoax. I'm 17 years old. I have a life outside of this forum. I hangout with my friends and I'm in the middle of trying to achieve my dream of becoming a singer. I am way too busy to create a lie. Besides, it's not in my heart to lie to you or anyone else on this forum.
@Sunset Thank you SO much for watching my Earth Song performance and for your kind words! I really appreciate it! Much love to you. :)
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@IWantYouBack.... you are welcome honey, I do believe your story. :icon_bounce:
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@IWantYouBack.... you are welcome honey, I do believe your story. :icon_bounce:
I know you do! :) Thank you! My other paragraphs above were aimed at Bec. :)
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This whole story sounds a little far out.
Hi Bec, I appreciate you taking the time to read my story. But this was one of the reasons why I was hesitant to share it. If Michael taught me one thing, it's that no matter what you might say or do, there's always going to be someone ready to take you down and not believe you and Michael taught me to always stand up for myself and for what I believe in, so I am.
Do you honestly think that I would create and write a super long thread based on a lie? There's a reason why I posted the pictures in the first place. I knew someone would try to take me down and claim that my experience is a lie and never happened. So, I provided as much proof as possible by posting pictures of everything I talked about in my first post (the Believe rock, the Mexican Man, and me at Neverland). What else more do you want from me in order to prove that this REALLY happened? A video of me speaking with the guard? Well I'm sorry, I'm not psychic, I didn't know he was going to make such an obvious slip up and I couldn't get my video camera out in time to zoom in and record his face.
I've been a member of this forum for over two years and never once have I posted or created a lie. I love and appreciate all of the members here. We're a family and I would never disrespect any of you by tampering with your emotions and feelings towards Michael and the hoax. I'm 17 years old. I have a life outside of this forum. I hangout with my friends and I'm in the middle of trying to achieve my dream of becoming a singer. I am way too busy to create a lie. Besides, it's not in my heart to lie to you or anyone else on this forum.
If your story is true, you should have no problem facing a challenge to it. Besides, it's one of those stories you really can't prove one way or another, isn't it? We can either take you at your word or not. If you know in your heart that it's true, it shouldn't matter what I or anyone else have to say, should it? You should have the confidence to hold your head high and go forward on your own merit, your own character, and your own sense of what you KNOW is TRUE, right?
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This whole story sounds a little far out.
Hi Bec, I appreciate you taking the time to read my story. But this was one of the reasons why I was hesitant to share it. If Michael taught me one thing, it's that no matter what you might say or do, there's always going to be someone ready to take you down and not believe you and Michael taught me to always stand up for myself and for what I believe in, so I am.
Do you honestly think that I would create and write a super long thread based on a lie? There's a reason why I posted the pictures in the first place. I knew someone would try to take me down and claim that my experience is a lie and never happened. So, I provided as much proof as possible by posting pictures of everything I talked about in my first post (the Believe rock, the Mexican Man, and me at Neverland). What else more do you want from me in order to prove that this REALLY happened? A video of me speaking with the guard? Well I'm sorry, I'm not psychic, I didn't know he was going to make such an obvious slip up and I couldn't get my video camera out in time to zoom in and record his face.
I've been a member of this forum for over two years and never once have I posted or created a lie. I love and appreciate all of the members here. We're a family and I would never disrespect any of you by tampering with your emotions and feelings towards Michael and the hoax. I'm 17 years old. I have a life outside of this forum. I hangout with my friends and I'm in the middle of trying to achieve my dream of becoming a singer. I am way too busy to create a lie. Besides, it's not in my heart to lie to you or anyone else on this forum.
If your story is true, you should have no problem facing a challenge to it. Besides, it's one of those stories you really can't prove one way or another, isn't it? We can either take you at your word or not. If you know in your heart that it's true, it shouldn't matter what I or anyone else have to say, should it? You should have the confidence to hold your head high and go forward on your own merit, your own character, and your own sense of what you KNOW is TRUE, right?
That's absolutely correct - which is why I ended up posting it and sharing it with you all. I believe in myself and I believe in that experience and I KNOW it's TRUE, so I POSTED it. I know it's TRUE so I had the confidence to POST it UP for you ALL to SEE. The only reason I replied to you and stood up for myself was because I didn't want you to damage my reputation on this forum by accusing me of lying when I personally know that what I'm saying is true. You're a powerful member here on the forum, Bec. You're a global moderator who's extremely active with a good reputation. There's no doubt in my mind that the other members take your words seriously here and look up to you as a user. So, when someone as powerful as you accuses me of lying in front of the whole community, it's a natural instinct for me to stick up for myself and what I believe in, and that's simply what I did. I'm NOT going to sit back here and let a Global Moderator call me a liar even if I know that my story is true. It's how I was raised and it's apart of who I am. I stick up for myself no matter what the situation is. Just because I stuck up for myself and for the truth doesn't mean my story is false. Sticking up for myself does NOT and should NOT count as "evidence" of me lying. There is NO evidence of me lying because my story is TRUE. The only evidence in this debate is that I don't take any crap, nor should anyone. Did Michael Jackson let Tom Sneddon, the media and the world call him a child molester? No. He went on trial to prove his innocence and did interview after interview to stand up for himself and that's what I learned from him. It's one of the reasons why I look up to Michael in the first place - he's a lover, but he sticks up for what he believes in when someone tears him down. If something is bothering him or he doesn't believe something, he'll ignore it until action against it must be taken. That's what I love about him. And that lesson I learned from him rubbed off on me today in this thread.
Besides, you didn't even have to post that comment anyway. If you don't believe the story that's in the thread, then don't post in it. Just ignore the thread. Surely the Global Moderator would agree with that rule. I asked everyone for their opinion on whether or not they thought my TRUE story was odd. Not whether or not my story was true. I wanted to know what everyone thought of the guard's words and actions as well as the words and actions of the Mexican Man. I asked everyone who considers my story to be TRUE for their opinion. And you didn't even give me an opinion on the guard or the Mexican Man whatsoever. You just doubted, cast negativity on the thread and accused me of lying. It's my thread. I asked a question to those who thought my story was true. And since you don't believe my story, you shouldn't have even posted. You have no business here in this thread, other than just moderating it.
I have nothing personal against you, Bec. Anyone could have accused me of lying and posted the same thing you did and I would have reacted the same way. It's just the way I am.
To those who DO believe me, I just want to say a BIG thank you for all of your support and for all of your feedback! I love hearing your opinions on the guard and the Mexican Man because every opinion helps put the puzzle together. I'm looking through my father's pictures that he took of Neverland as well, so if I find another picture of the Mexican Man I will not hesitate to post it up! Much love to all of you! God Bless! :)
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This whole story sounds a little far out.
Hi Bec, I appreciate you taking the time to read my story. But this was one of the reasons why I was hesitant to share it. If Michael taught me one thing, it's that no matter what you might say or do, there's always going to be someone ready to take you down and not believe you and Michael taught me to always stand up for myself and for what I believe in, so I am.
Do you honestly think that I would create and write a super long thread based on a lie? There's a reason why I posted the pictures in the first place. I knew someone would try to take me down and claim that my experience is a lie and never happened. So, I provided as much proof as possible by posting pictures of everything I talked about in my first post (the Believe rock, the Mexican Man, and me at Neverland). What else more do you want from me in order to prove that this REALLY happened? A video of me speaking with the guard? Well I'm sorry, I'm not psychic, I didn't know he was going to make such an obvious slip up and I couldn't get my video camera out in time to zoom in and record his face.
I've been a member of this forum for over two years and never once have I posted or created a lie. I love and appreciate all of the members here. We're a family and I would never disrespect any of you by tampering with your emotions and feelings towards Michael and the hoax. I'm 17 years old. I have a life outside of this forum. I hangout with my friends and I'm in the middle of trying to achieve my dream of becoming a singer. I am way too busy to create a lie. Besides, it's not in my heart to lie to you or anyone else on this forum.
If your story is true, you should have no problem facing a challenge to it. Besides, it's one of those stories you really can't prove one way or another, isn't it? We can either take you at your word or not. If you know in your heart that it's true, it shouldn't matter what I or anyone else have to say, should it? You should have the confidence to hold your head high and go forward on your own merit, your own character, and your own sense of what you KNOW is TRUE, right?
That's absolutely correct - which is why I ended up posting it and sharing it with you all. I believe in myself and I believe in that experience and I KNOW it's TRUE, so I POSTED it. I know it's TRUE so I had the confidence to POST it UP for you ALL to SEE. The only reason I replied to you and stood up for myself was because I didn't want you to damage my reputation on this forum by accusing me of lying when I personally know that what I'm saying is true. You're a powerful member here on the forum, Bec. You're a global moderator who's extremely active with a good reputation. There's no doubt in my mind that the other members take your words seriously here and look up to you as a user. So, when someone as powerful as you accuses me of lying in front of the whole community, it's a natural instinct for me to stick up for myself and what I believe in, and that's simply what I did. I'm NOT going to sit back here and let a Global Moderator call me a liar even if I know that my story is true. It's how I was raised and it's apart of who I am. I stick up for myself no matter what the situation is. Just because I stuck up for myself and for the truth doesn't mean my story is false. Sticking up for myself does NOT and should NOT count as "evidence" of me lying. There is NO evidence of me lying because my story is TRUE. The only evidence in this debate is that I don't take any crap, nor should anyone. Did Michael Jackson let Tom Sneddon, the media and the world call him a child molester? No. He went on trial to prove his innocence and did interview after interview to stand up for himself and that's what I learned from him. It's one of the reasons why I look up to Michael in the first place - he's a lover, but he sticks up for what he believes in when someone tears him down. If something is bothering him or he doesn't believe something, he'll ignore it until action against it must be taken. That's what I love about him. And that lesson I learned from him rubbed off on me today in this thread.
Besides, you didn't even have to post that comment anyway. If you don't believe the story that's in the thread, then don't post in it. Just ignore the thread. Surely the Global Moderator would agree with that rule. I asked everyone for their opinion on whether or not they thought my TRUE story was odd. Not whether or not my story was true. I wanted to know what everyone thought of the guard's words and actions as well as the words and actions of the Mexican Man. I asked everyone who considers my story to be TRUE for their opinion. And you didn't even give me an opinion on the guard or the Mexican Man whatsoever. You just doubted, cast negativity on the thread and accused me of lying. It's my thread. I asked a question to those who thought my story was true. And since you don't believe my story, you shouldn't have even posted. You have no business here in this thread, other than just moderating it.
I have nothing personal against you, Bec. Anyone could have accused me of lying and posted the same thing you did and I would have reacted the same way. It's just the way I am.
To those who DO believe me, I just want to say a BIG thank you for all of your support and for all of your feedback! I love hearing your opinions on the guard and the Mexican Man because every opinion helps put the puzzle together. I'm looking through my father's pictures that he took of Neverland as well, so if I find another picture of the Mexican Man I will not hesitate to post it up! Much love to all of you! God Bless! :)
Compare bolded to bolded and underlined to underlined. You directly contradict yourself twice in one post, once even in the same paragraph.
As far as the highlighted portion, your argument is illogical. There is no evidence either way other then a single witness statement, your own. When considering the credibility of any witness statement, one must consider the bias, motive, and credibility of that witness.
I do have to point out that I never called you a liar nor accused you of lying. I simply said your story was a little far out.
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This whole story sounds a little far out.
Hi Bec, I appreciate you taking the time to read my story. But this was one of the reasons why I was hesitant to share it. If Michael taught me one thing, it's that no matter what you might say or do, there's always going to be someone ready to take you down and not believe you and Michael taught me to always stand up for myself and for what I believe in, so I am.
Do you honestly think that I would create and write a super long thread based on a lie? There's a reason why I posted the pictures in the first place. I knew someone would try to take me down and claim that my experience is a lie and never happened. So, I provided as much proof as possible by posting pictures of everything I talked about in my first post (the Believe rock, the Mexican Man, and me at Neverland). What else more do you want from me in order to prove that this REALLY happened? A video of me speaking with the guard? Well I'm sorry, I'm not psychic, I didn't know he was going to make such an obvious slip up and I couldn't get my video camera out in time to zoom in and record his face.
I've been a member of this forum for over two years and never once have I posted or created a lie. I love and appreciate all of the members here. We're a family and I would never disrespect any of you by tampering with your emotions and feelings towards Michael and the hoax. I'm 17 years old. I have a life outside of this forum. I hangout with my friends and I'm in the middle of trying to achieve my dream of becoming a singer. I am way too busy to create a lie. Besides, it's not in my heart to lie to you or anyone else on this forum.
If your story is true, you should have no problem facing a challenge to it. Besides, it's one of those stories you really can't prove one way or another, isn't it? We can either take you at your word or not. If you know in your heart that it's true, it shouldn't matter what I or anyone else have to say, should it? You should have the confidence to hold your head high and go forward on your own merit, your own character, and your own sense of what you KNOW is TRUE, right?
That's absolutely correct - which is why I ended up posting it and sharing it with you all. I believe in myself and I believe in that experience and I KNOW it's TRUE, so I POSTED it. I know it's TRUE so I had the confidence to POST it UP for you ALL to SEE. The only reason I replied to you and stood up for myself was because I didn't want you to damage my reputation on this forum by accusing me of lying when I personally know that what I'm saying is true. You're a powerful member here on the forum, Bec. You're a global moderator who's extremely active with a good reputation. There's no doubt in my mind that the other members take your words seriously here and look up to you as a user. So, when someone as powerful as you accuses me of lying in front of the whole community, it's a natural instinct for me to stick up for myself and what I believe in, and that's simply what I did. I'm NOT going to sit back here and let a Global Moderator call me a liar even if I know that my story is true. It's how I was raised and it's apart of who I am. I stick up for myself no matter what the situation is. Just because I stuck up for myself and for the truth doesn't mean my story is false. Sticking up for myself does NOT and should NOT count as "evidence" of me lying. There is NO evidence of me lying because my story is TRUE. The only evidence in this debate is that I don't take any crap, nor should anyone. Did Michael Jackson let Tom Sneddon, the media and the world call him a child molester? No. He went on trial to prove his innocence and did interview after interview to stand up for himself and that's what I learned from him. It's one of the reasons why I look up to Michael in the first place - he's a lover, but he sticks up for what he believes in when someone tears him down. If something is bothering him or he doesn't believe something, he'll ignore it until action against it must be taken. That's what I love about him. And that lesson I learned from him rubbed off on me today in this thread.
Besides, you didn't even have to post that comment anyway. If you don't believe the story that's in the thread, then don't post in it. Just ignore the thread. Surely the Global Moderator would agree with that rule. I asked everyone for their opinion on whether or not they thought my TRUE story was odd. Not whether or not my story was true. I wanted to know what everyone thought of the guard's words and actions as well as the words and actions of the Mexican Man. I asked everyone who considers my story to be TRUE for their opinion. And you didn't even give me an opinion on the guard or the Mexican Man whatsoever. You just doubted, cast negativity on the thread and accused me of lying. It's my thread. I asked a question to those who thought my story was true. And since you don't believe my story, you shouldn't have even posted. You have no business here in this thread, other than just moderating it.
I have nothing personal against you, Bec. Anyone could have accused me of lying and posted the same thing you did and I would have reacted the same way. It's just the way I am.
To those who DO believe me, I just want to say a BIG thank you for all of your support and for all of your feedback! I love hearing your opinions on the guard and the Mexican Man because every opinion helps put the puzzle together. I'm looking through my father's pictures that he took of Neverland as well, so if I find another picture of the Mexican Man I will not hesitate to post it up! Much love to all of you! God Bless! :)
Compare bolded to bolded and underlined to underlined. You directly contradict yourself twice in one post, once even in the same paragraph.
As far as the highlighted portion, your argument is illogical. There is no evidence either way other then a single witness statement, your own. When considering the credibility of any witness statement, one must consider the bias, motive, and credibility of that witness.
I do have to point out that I never called you a liar nor accused you of lying. I simply said your story was a little far out.
I didn't contradict myself at all, actually. You just totally misunderstood what I was saying and left out key sentences and points in each paragraph to make it look like I contradicted myself. Allow me to explain:
The Bold Statements Comparison: My whole point in those paragraphs was to let you know that I was just standing up for what I believe in and for myself. That's the whole point of the debate. You said that I should be able to face a challenge when it comes to my story and not even care about what you or what anyone else thinks. And since I stuck up for myself, you considered it as evidence of my story being false but in reality I was just simply sticking up for myself because I'm not going to let anyone imply that I'm a liar. What I was trying to get at in those bold statements was that no matter who accused me of lying, I would have stuck up for myself either way. But, I'm explaining myself and writing a lot more to you, Bec, than I would a regular user because you're more powerful and have a good reputation that could sway the community into thinking that I am a liar, which would totally ruin my rep for no reason at all. You totally misunderstood those statements that you made bold. So no, I didn't contradict myself.
The Underlined Statements: As for these, I have no idea what you're trying to prove and I have no idea how you don't understand what I'm saying here. For all of those people who believe that my story was TRUE, I asked them for their opinion of the guard and the Mexican Man. And since you don't believe my story is TRUE, therefore, I'm not asking you for your opinion. I don't see how I contradict myself there. It's plain and simple. Here are the steps to make it easier for you to understand and realize that I didn't contradict myself.
1) I post my story and ask an opinion on the GUARD and the MEXICAN MAN.
2) A user reads it.
3) If that user believes that my story is TRUE, they answer my question by giving their opinion on the guard and the Mexican Man.
4) If that user believes my story is FAKE, then they shouldn't even post because my question means NOTHING to them.
I started this thread to simply get opinions on the guard and the Mexican Man, but only if those opinions are from people who believe my story. Because if a person does not believe my story, then why in the world would they take the time to answer my question? You, obviously, don't seem to care too much about my story or my question because you think it's false. So then WHY did you even post? I want you to answer that question for me. I will ask it again. If you think my story is FALSE, why did you even post? I wasn't asking everyone if they thought my story was true or not. I already know the answer to that, and so does everyone else who has posted in this thread. Negativity doesn't bring anything positive, and comments like yours only sink the ship. If you don't believe in the story in this thread, then stay away from this thread.
The Highlighted Statement: Once again, you misunderstood. To ME, there is NO evidence of me lying because I was there and I know for a fact that it's true. If you really want another witness, my whole family was there with me and I'm sure my brother would be glad to come on and explain the story to you. Or, if you're honestly that curious, go up to Neverland, meet me there, we'll find the bald guard and ask him if he remembers. I'd be ALL for doing that.
But if you don't believe my story in this thread, don't post on it. That's really all it comes down to. You have NO business here if you don't believe in my story and are not going to give an intelligent opinion on the guard and the Mexican Man.
I asked for an opinion on the guard and the Mexican Man. You gave neither an opinion on the guard or the Mexican Man. You just attacked my story and implied that I was a liar. And since it's my thread and all I asked was for an opinion on the guard and Mexican Man, your post obviously doesn't belong in this thread. I mean, come on, I'm young but I'm NOT an idiot. I know what "far out" means. Your post sums it up. "This whole story sounds a little far out [to be true...]". So don't go around saying you're not calling me a liar. You may not have said the actual words, but you totally implied it. It was a shot at me in disguise.
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IMO, no harm in feeling a person out. IWantYouBack, people here are generally going to read, but not necessarily take everything as 'Gospel truth'. We have to do that with everything, since we're not there in person. It's our job to weigh everything. Scientists would consider your story anecdotal evidence, but still of some worth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence) You also know there's train load of garbage out there written about MJ (which amazingly appears to many to be true), so... But hey, that's okay! Your story is put on record here and goes with all the other anecdotal evidence. I'd say the sources for evidence for MJ being alive probably falls into all kinds of catagories--media, family, TS, Front (Back), associates, friends, foes, and fans. Each piece (maybe thousands by now :icon_mrgreen:) could be rated-- possible, interesting, obvious, and cause for celebration/share with outsiders! You know there's around 100 guests reading here every day, and if they like/believe/value your story, it will surely to shared/copy pasted/analyzed around the world!!
I'm extremely thankful for the tough but loving 'watchdogs' that Souza and Bec are. Front rates them high as well. You should really appreciate that fact more and relax and smile! Remember American Idol and how much everyone valued Simon's honest opinions--that's cuz he's astute/rasor sharp!
I enjoyed your Earth Song, and previous Justin song! It always gives me chills--that song is so poignant for our time.
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I didn't contradict myself at all, actually.
Did you or did you not write those words in your quoted post? Are those or are those not directly conflicting statements? How am I to "know what you mean" if you do not mean what you say?
So then WHY did you even post?
Because I believe that there is a collective interest of the whole to retain the credibility for the community by challenging shared information that, in my opinion and experience, seems questionable. I believe it advances the conversation forward.
I know what "far out" means. Your post sums it up. "This whole story sounds a little far out [to be true...]". So don't go around saying you're not calling me a liar. You may not have said the actual words, but you totally implied it. It was a shot at me in disguise.
Use of the word lie implies a mode of intent, which my statement did not seek to suggest or assume.
lie
1 [lahy] Show IPA noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement.
4.
the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
Lie | Define Lie at Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie)
In contrast, "Far out" implies simple skepticism with no judgement cast upon mode or intent.
far-out (färout)
adj. Slang
Extremely unconventional: "all kinds of far-out and unique inventions" (Peter Nissenson).
far-out Slang
adj (far out when postpositive)
1. bizarre or avant-garde
2. excellent; wonderful
interj far out
an expression of amazement or delight
ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Adj. 1. far-out - informal terms; strikingly unconventional
offbeat, quirky, way-out, kinky
unconventional - not conventional or conformist; "unconventional life styles"
far-out
adjective strange, wild, unusual, bizarre, weird, avant-garde, unconventional, off-the-wall (slang), outlandish, outré, advanced a weird, far-out surrealist
far-out - definition of far-out by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia. (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/far-out)
I understand that those who do not mean what they say might naturally assume that others might express themselves in a similar fashion, but I do make a concerted effort to chose my words carefully and accurately.
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IMO, no harm in feeling a person out. IWantYouBack, people here are generally going to read, but not necessarily take everything as 'Gospel truth'. We have to do that with everything, since we're not there in person. It's our job to weigh everything. Scientists would consider your story anecdotal evidence, but still of some worth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence) You also know there's train load of garbage out there written about MJ (which amazingly appears to many to be true), so... But hey, that's okay! Your story is put on record here and goes with all the other anecdotal evidence. I'd say the sources for evidence for MJ being alive probably falls into all kinds of catagories--media, family, TS, Front (Back), associates, friends, foes, and fans. Each piece (maybe thousands by now :icon_mrgreen:) could be rated-- possible, interesting, obvious, and cause for celebration/share with outsiders!
I'm extremely thankful for the tough but loving 'watchdogs' that Souza and Bec are. Front rates them high as well. You should really appreciate that fact more and relax and smile! Remember American Idol and how much everyone valued Simon's honest opinions--that's cuz he's astute/rasor sharp!
I enjoyed your Earth Song, and previous Justin song! It always gives me chills--that song is so poignant for our time.
MJOnMind, thank you for your nice post and thank you for all of your kind words on my singing. I really appreciate it! You're really nice! ^_^
I understand what you are saying. I understand that not everyone is going to take it as the gospel truth and I understand that we have to weigh certain things. That's what investigating is all about! We live for that here! But the thing is, I think those rules are different when it comes to my thread.
I don't think my thread falls under these rules because I wasn't trying to provide evidence of Michael being alive and hiding at Neverland that we can all weigh and debunk. I simply shared my experience at Neverland, like I would do in my own personal blog or on a Facebook Status. I didn't share it with everyone because I thought it was evidence. I simply shared it to get other members' opinions on the guard and on the Mexican Man. I wanted to see if other beLIEvers thought that my experience was a little bit weird or if it was something that any fan could experience whenever they visit Neverland. That's all I was asking. I didn't copy and paste this story from another website for all of us to debunk like some of the pictures of Michael's handwriting found on Facebook. This was just my personal story about my visit to Neverland. It was my journey and I wanted to share it with you all just to see if any other fans have experienced something similar and to get opinions on the guard and on the Mexican Man. That's all I wanted. And if all I was asking for were opinions on the Mexican Man and the guard, I don't see why Bec needed to imply that I was a liar and that my story was false. I feel that if she didn't believe my story, she just could have left the thread alone without posting anything or hurting anyone's feelings. I don't blame Bec for thinking twice about my story because she wasn't with me when I visited Neverland. She didn't experience what happened. But I don't think it was really necessary to imply that I was a liar because I did not submit this story as some kind of evidence. It was just a personal story that I would share in a blog. It wasn't evidence nor did I ever say it was evidence.
I appreciate, respect, and love every member here on the forum. We are a family. And when I'm in a debate, I don't have anything personal against the person I'm debating with. I'm just stating what I think is right. I truly do appreciate Bec and Souza. I look up to them. They do fantastic work here and I really respect them. I've said that in a few posts in this thread. I thanked Bec for taking the time out to read my story. I'm very grateful for her time. But all I'm saying is that since I was just sharing my story like I would share it on my blog or on my way walking up to McDonald's with my best friend, I don't think there was any need to imply that I was a liar. If I had found this story on another website and posted it up, then I wouldn't even think twice about Bec's opinion because we would all be weighing and trying to debunk it. If this thread happened that way, then I would have been submitting it as evidence. But again, that's not what this was. It was my personal experience at Neverland. I just thought I'd share an experience I had while on summer vacation, and then I ended up getting called a liar, which I think wasn't necessary.
But don't get me wrong, I love, appreciate, and respect Bec and ALL of the users on this forum. You all are my family and I feel like I can tell you guys anything, which is great. I'm very grateful for all of you here and I mean that from the bottom of my heart. I just hope no one is taking what I am saying personally because I have nothing against Bec or anyone else on this forum. I'm just stating my opinion and what I believe in.
But thank you again for reading my thread and for all of your kind words. :) I really appreciate it.
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@Jenn...thanks for sharing your story, your day at Neverland sounds like it was thrilling! For what it's worth, IMO, your story is easier to believe than some other Neverland stories I've read.
Also, thanks for sharing your 'Earth Song'/MJ tribute...I LOVED it! Earth Song is definitely one of the tougher songs to sing and you did a fantastic job.
I wish you all the best of luck with your singing career :icon_razz:
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Because I believe that there is a collective interest of the whole to retain the credibility for the community by challenging shared information that, in my opinion and experience, seems questionable. I believe it advances the conversation forward.
But, in this case, it didn't advance the conversation forward. We're no longer discussing what the guard had said and/or what the Mexican Man was doing let alone who he even was. This didn't advance the conversation forward at all. If anything, it completely interrupted it and stopped it. Now half of my thread is a debate that didn't even have to start if you had just left it alone and let me go about my business by asking for opinions about the guard and the Mexican Man.
I would understand why you would imply that the whole story is questionable and potentially untrue if I had submitted this story as evidence from an unknown person who has a question mark for a profile picture, no name, and is from an unknown city. But I didn't. This was my personal story about my experience to Neverland and I described it just as I would walking up to McDonald's with my best friend. I had a goal in mind when I started this thread. And that goal was to get opinions on the guard and the Mexican Man. Questioning the story and implying that it may actually be false isn't what I was looking for and your comment completely turned the whole point of this thread upside-down. If you had doubts about my story, you could have just left the thread alone and let the people who do believe it discuss it instead of trying to convince everyone that I'm lying like you did in your second post in this thread.
Not only did you interrupt and completely stop the discussion, you didn't even provide a reason as to why you thought the story was far out. You didn't elaborate or anything, which also points to the fact that your post simply didn't belong in this thead and that it wasn't really needed. If your plan was truly to advance the conversation forward, you should have provided a little more proof as to why you think that the story is untrue. But you posted one little sentence that wasn't informative. It didn't help anything, it only sparked a huge debate that hurt feelings and reputations. It could have easily been avoided if you had just given your opinion of the guard and Mexican Man - which is truly all I wanted. Or, since you didn't believe my story, you could have just done nothing.
As for the definitions you have included, I honestly don't care which words you used. All I know is that I was a bit offended by your post and I honestly felt that it didn't even belong in the thread.
It comes down to this simple rule: If you don't believe in the subject of the thread, don't post in it.
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Last I checked, you don't make the rules.
I don't think you need me to ruin your reputation. You are very young which is why I will let this sink in for a few days. Perhaps the lesson to be learned should be this: if you cannot handle a full range of feedback on what you write down, do not put it on the internet.
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WoW!!! Thank you for sharing it with us. I think Michael can be there because it would be too obvious if he was there, everyone could think that he was in Neverland but also people would think that he wouldn't stay in Neverland because it would be too obvious; you know what I'm trying to say? :icon_e_wink: He can definitely be there. Wish I was living in LA and go and check out Neverland myself.
P.S: The discussion is still on. I do believe the guard meant that MJ is there in Neverland. :icon_e_smile:
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I have to admit that I'm a bit saddened by all of this back and forth. Are we going to have to break out the SuperSoakers for a Duel at 20 Paces? :icon_e_sad:
My observation regarding this thread is as follows:
Jenn...you say that you are seeking "opinions" regarding the comment made by the guard and the Mexican guy. Unfortunately, none of us can truly give an opinion as we weren't there to witness the event and to form any opinion at all. We are limited only to commenting on the story as relayed. Bec has never been one to mince words...lol...and if she thought it was totally fabricated she would have said as much...and very directly I think. Her use of the phrase "far out" I thought was appropriate because I certainly find it "far out" (as in frighteningly bizarre) that if he was really there...that all of his hard work and planning could be so easily undone by a careless slip of the tongue over a necklace. With that being said I see these as the only opinion/options possible of the event as you described it:
1. Guard said exactly what you say he did -> Michael is there - > Michael needs a new security guard :icon_eek: :icon_pale:
2. Guard could have meant another "he" if there are people connected to Michael still staffing/hanging around the place
3. Guard could have said "she"? with the same conditions as in #2
(the mind is a very powerful thing when it comes to hearing what we WANT to hear...doesn't make you a liar...just human :icon_neutral:)
4. Guard is a jerk that was messing with your head :icon_evil: You didn't have to tell him you were a believer...your necklace proved that you were a big fan.
5. Without better pictures of the Mexican Guy there isn't any way to give an informed opinion on that dude...sorry :icon_e_confused:
If I think of any others I'll post again later. Love to All
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Then why are we even here. why are we investigating everything, finding information, clues. Isnt this to
find out if Michael is still alive. Whats wrong with investigation Neverland more? It is no different to investingating forrest lawn or carolwood or anything else. I dont mean we should really camp outside the gates, just joking.
Nothing is wrong with investigations. But we are NOT here to find Michael. At least I am not here for this purpose.
If I'd know where he were, I'd keep my mouth shut, that's for sure.
Ditto
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I have to admit that I'm a bit saddened by all of this back and forth. Are we going to have to break out the SuperSoakers for a Duel at 20 Paces? :icon_e_sad:
My observation regarding this thread is as follows:
Jenn...you say that you are seeking "opinions" regarding the comment made by the guard and the Mexican guy. Unfortunately, none of us can truly give an opinion as we weren't there to witness the event and to form any opinion at all. We are limited only to commenting on the story as relayed. Bec has never been one to mince words...lol...and if she thought it was totally fabricated she would have said as much...and very directly I think. Her use of the phrase "far out" I thought was appropriate because I certainly find it "far out" (as in frighteningly bizarre) that if he was really there...that all of his hard work and planning could be so easily undone by a careless slip of the tongue over a necklace. With that being said I see these as the only opinion/options possible of the event as you described it:
1. Guard said exactly what you say he did -> Michael is there - > Michael needs a new security guard :icon_eek: :icon_pale:
2. Guard could have meant another "he" if there are people connected to Michael still staffing/hanging around the place
3. Guard could have said "she"? with the same conditions as in #2
(the mind is a very powerful thing when it comes to hearing what we WANT to hear...doesn't make you a liar...just human :icon_neutral:)
4. Guard is a jerk that was messing with your head :icon_evil: You didn't have to tell him you were a believer...your necklace proved that you were a big fan.
5. Without better pictures of the Mexican Guy there isn't any way to give an informed opinion on that dude...sorry :icon_e_confused:
If I think of any others I'll post again later. Love to All
Very well said!
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a quite possible story. don't think the guard had any problems, moreover,
probably little 'slip-ups' are allowed as a bonus for stubborn believers,
and his intention was just to play along.)
I don't think MJ is at Neverland, but got intrigued by Tink's story --
could please anybody post the link here? many thanks.
Bec, don't be so strict toward the girl.)
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Last I checked, you don't make the rules.
I don't think you need me to ruin your reputation. You are very young which is why I will let this sink in for a few days. Perhaps the lesson to be learned should be this: if you cannot handle a full range of feedback on what you write down, do not put it on the internet.
Last time I checked, I didn't claim to make the rules of this forum as a whole. But since it's my thread and my story, I do believe that I have the right to ask for whatever I want as long as it follows the general forum rules that all threads must follow. Also, that "rule" isn't a rule I made. It's been around the world and around the internet for years. It's the classic saying, "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all". The same goes with what you posted in my thread and the same goes with you implying that I fabricated the story. I didn't create that rule, but I think it's a rule that everyone should try to follow.
Also, just because I am young doesn't mean that I don't know what I can and should post online. I've created 5 popular websites and helped create another 4 (MJbeatz.com, CenterSoundRadio.com, Caloyalevents.com to name a few). I also ran an internet safety program in my city for over a year, which was designed to help keep children safe online. I have A LOT of internet experience. I know what I'm capable of posting online and when I should post it.
I'm also a singer with a YouTube Channel and my own website. This isn't the only time someone has attacked me with negativity. I've been on the internet since I was 8 years old, I'm used to taking positive and negative feedback accordingly. I've been through a lot worse than this so I don't think it's fair for you to judge me on what I can or cannot handle. And also, when you live with 2 brothers and have been bullied at school, you learn how to handle negativity. And sitting back and letting someone rank on you isn't how you handle it. And, to be honest, I think I handled your comment quite well actually. I never went personal on you, Bec. I never put your reputation at risk, I never called you a liar, I didn't do anything to hurt you personally. In fact, I think I've complemented you on this thread a number of times. All I did was stand up for myself. In my opinion, if I didn't handle your comment well, I would have deleted all of my posts in this thread and gotten a moderator to close the thread and never, ever came on this forum again. That would be not handling it for me. You don't know me personally, you don't know what I've been through or what I am capable of handling.
And come on, you have to admit that your words are taken more seriously than those of a regular user. You're a moderator and I'm just a norm. If you claim that I'm a liar the community is going to believe you because you are a moderator who has a high reputation. You're in higher places. I've been a forum moderator before on another fansite, I know what it's like to be near the top of the pyramid on a popular forum. It's politics. Do you think the people of America are more likely to listen to Barack Obama or the cashier at Wal-Mart?
@Love4Michael I know that you all weren't there with me that day at Neverland. I know you all won't have the answer to what happened on that day. That's why I tried to describe what happened the best way that I could. I even provided visuals. All I was asking was that based on what you read in this thread, what is your opinion? It's not evidence. There's nothing to debunk or highly investigate. It was simply an experience that I had and I was just looking to share it with you guys to see what you all thought of it. And who's to say that a user here didn't have a similar experience one day? Surely users can give a little bit of an opinion based on what they have read - it looks like you did. You created 4 scenarios. If those aren't opinions on what the guard could have meant, I don't know what are. So thank you for your input. Input on the guard and the Mexican Man is really all I was looking for. As for your third scenario, I can guarantee everyone that he didn't say "she". My brother and my Dad heard "he" as well, and they don't even believe in the hoax let alone even consider themselves to be big fans of Michael.
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Ok, this has gone on long enough. Clearly you, IWantYouBack, have difficulty with vocabulary or difficulty with reading for comprehension but obviously no difficulty with confrontation. You've had plenty of opportunities to get your own thread back on topic, and many members here have given you openings to do so, but you would much rather bicker and moan and get the last word then discuss the subject---> which is really more suitable for the blog feature then the forum anyway.
So now, you can update your online experience resume to reflect "A LOT"+1. Congratulations.
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Okay, now that this thread has been reopened we can finally get back to the real discussion.
Love4Michael, thanks for your input. Your scenarios are definitely possible, but I'm pretty sure that he didn't say "she". I asked my family, and they agree that he definitely said he. As for the Mexican Man, I am still looking through my pictures to see if I can spot him. I took over 200 photos so give me a little bit of time and I'll take a closer look! :)
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This thread was not reopened, that was a forum glitch. You can take this thread to the blog section as bec suggested. There you can also discuss this. I want all threads like this one in the blog section, so we can have the actual investigation here on the forum.