Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Michael's Life & Clues He Left Us => Documentaries & Interviews with Michael and/or the Family => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on May 15, 2012, 12:08:12 AM
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Again with phone, some light things are probably not visible.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeoBsuMmgMk[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orqZ_WZ6Ixg[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5Xr0d2YglI[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQu10V_mxZk[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjY8YvteXQ[/youtube]
Might be that the last two aren't working yet.
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Thank you so much Souza!
Great interview--very positive and uplifting! Thanks to Pierce!
Video 2, at 2:48 she said, Still to this day I’ve never met Dr. Murray or spoken with him. (Hmm...I still don't know if he's real.)
Video 3, at 6:59 she said, Jordie had said after MJ ‘died’ that he had never touched him.
Video 4, at the beginning, Pierce said his 8 year old played MJ’s music over and over after MJ’s ‘death’. I wonder if this is when Pierce also fell in love with MJ, since he seems a strong supporter.
Video 5, at 3:40 Brett says, “He (MJ) would like, he wanted, he thought that his fans would…”
Haha, a little slip-up, and some quick stuttering!
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I actually had the feeling a few times that Katherine had to try hard not to burst out in laughing.
Now she says she never met Murray, but previously she has said that she met Murray in the hospital, that he was the one that told her Michael was dead. I have to go watch her other interviews again.
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Good grief, she DID say the Doctor (Murray) told her! Yeah, Katherine caught in a slip-up! You beautiful woman/mother/actress you! :th_bravo:
She also mentioned that Paris could act-- could cry on the spot, and earlier they showed Paris crying at the Memorial. :icon_lol:
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After all the controversy re who has rights to Michael's art, we see Brett with Katherine with news it is to be sold to support children's hospital and other causes. Okay then!
Also, with no disrespect intended, having KATHERINE appear on mainstream tv at THIS point in time giving the messages she did--reinforces the wrongs--righted, lies--truth,(even resurrection was mentioned, tho crucifiction was just implied)............well it seems the big gun was brought out.........
Cranking up the heat.........steaming up the place...........
Thanks Souza , hope we didn't disturb the neighbors~
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I actually had the feeling a few times that Katherine had to try hard not to burst out in laughing.
Now she says she never met Murray, but previously she has said that she met Murray in the hospital, that he was the one that told her Michael was dead. I have to go watch her other interviews again.
At 13:50
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsV3P_2D15k[/youtube]
Katherine Jackson Opens Up About the Day Michael Died - Oprah.com (http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Katherine-Jackson-Grief-Grandchildren-and-Michael/6)
Unsure whether he was alive or dead, Katherine arrived at the hospital and waited to learn about her son's condition. "We stayed in there a long time before [the doctor] came in to tell us," she says. "I guess he didn't want to either. But the doctor had to tell us—Dr. Murray."
Dr. Conrad Murray was Michael's personal physician. He's been accused of administering lethal levels of propofol, a powerful anesthetic, and was charged with involuntary manslaughter for his role in Michael's death.
"Dr. Murray told you?" Oprah asks.
"Yes," Katherine says. "He came out, and he was talking. It took him so long. And I'd say: 'Well, what's happened? ... Did he make it?' And he said: 'No. He's gone.' That's all I remember."
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I thought that it was revealed in the trial that Murray made the allegations that he had comforted Katherine & the children on his taped deposition. But it was later learned that that was not the way it happened and that Murray walked by and never said a word to them. I could be wrong on that so if that can be checked out.
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Thanks Souza for the videos. I watched the interview last night...but forgot to tape it. I agree there were a few times that I thought Katherine was going to laugh also. I laughed when she said, video #4 about 3:08 when Piers asked her how often she talked to Michael and she started with "I talk to him" then corrected to I'd talk to him. Could just be a stumble of words, but it made me happy. I was also confused on the meeting of Dr. Murray and also picked up on present tense as opposed to past tense in the conversation. I will say when it was announced that Piers was going to take Larry Kings place, I was not pleased at all. However, I find him very pleasant and respectful and I enjoy his interviews very much. Goes to show you need to give people a chance.
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I actually had the feeling a few times that Katherine had to try hard not to burst out in laughing.
Now she says she never met Murray, but previously she has said that she met Murray in the hospital, that he was the one that told her Michael was dead. I have to go watch her other interviews again.
That got my attention as well. It was said that Murray talked to Katherine at the hospital. Now she said that she never meet him.
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Reminder to watch the rest of the videos.
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Did she really say..."because I am a Christian and believe in resurection....i'll see him again." ....??? LOVE IT!!!! :multiplespotting:
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Yeah resurrection, love that awkward inclusion there Ms. Katherine. You are Oscar material, very impressive.
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I actually had the feeling a few times that Katherine had to try hard not to burst out in laughing.
Now she says she never met Murray, but previously she has said that she met Murray in the hospital, that he was the one that told her Michael was dead. I have to go watch her other interviews again.
I thought I saw that too. Unless we read it. This is all so confusing. She specifically said to this day I haven't met DCM. Hmm...Murray said that he loves Ms. Katherine or she's my mother (something like that). Kinda strange saying that about someone he never met.
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What did everyone think of this monument that MJ wanted to put in Vegas for people to get married by? The symbolism on the front disturbs me....looks like something Masonic. Was this shown as a "clue"? Sorry...I don't know how to post a pic.
Also...BLStrong only showed certain pieces of Michael's art and didn't have a very big say in the interview. I need to go back and watch several more times to see if I can pick up anything.
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Yeah the whole marriage chapel monument thing keeps coming up over n over. I'm at a loss as to what we are supposed to gather from it.
The symbol is akin to the mason symbol, however it is also very similar to an inverted V symbol from V for Vendetta, so again, I am at a loss.
There are some biblical references to marriage between God and his followers, or was it Jesus, I forget, but something brought up in TS's signs referred to a metaphorical marriage of sorts that reminded me of this proposed monument.
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That´s a goth like chapel. I don´t think there is a further symbolism in it.
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I wouldn't either except that it keeps coming up time and time again.
First time was winter 2010. Then summer 2011. Now late spring 2012.
Why does it keep being referred to?
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Michael is an artist. If he designed that building and wanted to show it to the world, the best way to promote it is in the way its being done. Also, to use it as a chapel is very sweet.
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Yeah the whole marriage chapel monument thing keeps coming up over n over. I'm at a loss as to what we are supposed to gather from it.
Maybe it's his way of telling us that during his off time, he married someone. :over-react-smiley:
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^^ why the major overreaction alert? Wouldn't that just be one of the very best things we could possibly wish for him - that he finally found his soul-mate? I would be over the moon if that were the case.
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I am sure that many would have the same reaction.
Since I was a little girl I thought that Michael would marry and show it on TV, and that the marriage would be like a Disney parade!
Sad I never got to see that happening when I was a child.
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Another important issue that was brought up was that Jordan Chandler had admitted that Michael never touched him and thank you very much for uploading these videos Souza, they are all over twitter :)
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Another important issue that was brought up was that Jordan Chandler had admitted that Michael never touched him and thank you very much for uploading these videos Souza, they are all over twitter :)
Agree, however...
the fact remains that no one is going to pay any attention to this unless Jordie comes out and says it himself, on TV, out of his own mouth.
Tick tock.
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^^ why the major overreaction alert? Wouldn't that just be one of the very best things we could possibly wish for him - that he finally found his soul-mate? I would be over the moon if that were the case.
Of course that would be lovely for him. The smiley was just me kidding around.
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humm something about marraige chapels in vegas makes me think of elvis impersonators . :elvis-1405:
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Thanks Souza for the videos. I watched the interview last night...but forgot to tape it. I agree there were a few times that I thought Katherine was going to laugh also. I laughed when she said, video #4 about 3:08 when Piers asked her how often she talked to Michael and she started with "I talk to him" then corrected to I'd talk to him. Could just be a stumble of words, but it made me happy. I was also confused on the meeting of Dr. Murray and also picked up on present tense as opposed to past tense in the conversation. I will say when it was announced that Piers was going to take Larry Kings place, I was not pleased at all. However, I find him very pleasant and respectful and I enjoy his interviews very much. Goes to show you need to give people a chance.
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Thanks Souza for your great work...for me is hard to understand everything, but I think that Katherine :bearhug: is very quiet, as if she knew well what to say and the fact that she accepted the interview,now that June 25 is close,for me is Michal's message to his fans...friends....listen and think, as you become are accustomed to do .... I 'm here next to you :bearhug: :michael-jackson: :moonwalk_:
I found this new video of Esprit about Katherine interview :icon_razz:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2JXfw8sGOk[/youtube]
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Chandler must come out and tell the truth sooner or later. His father is dead. Why does not he talk for once?
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^^ why the major overreaction alert? Wouldn't that just be one of the very best things we could possibly wish for him - that he finally found his soul-mate? I would be over the moon if that were the case.
Of course that would be lovely for him. The smiley was just me kidding around.
Thanks for clarifying that!
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^^ why the major overreaction alert? Wouldn't that just be one of the very best things we could possibly wish for him - that he finally found his soul-mate? I would be over the moon if that were the case.
Of course that would be lovely for him. The smiley was just me kidding around.
Thanks for clarifying that!
No problem. Michael has been friends with this guy since 1979. He must be very loyal that we never heard of this chapel thing til now. Loyal friends in Michael's case are few and far between.
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Chandler must come out and tell the truth sooner or later. His father is dead. Why does not he talk for once?
exactly! there is no need to be afraid of anyone, he is adult now, so he can take responsibility for the past. He should do that for Michael!
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I actually had the feeling a few times that Katherine had to try hard not to burst out in laughing.
Now she says she never met Murray, but previously she has said that she met Murray in the hospital, that he was the one that told her Michael was dead. I have to go watch her other interviews again.
At 13:50
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsV3P_2D15k[/youtube]
Katherine Jackson Opens Up About the Day Michael Died - Oprah.com (http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Katherine-Jackson-Grief-Grandchildren-and-Michael/6)
Unsure whether he was alive or dead, Katherine arrived at the hospital and waited to learn about her son's condition. "We stayed in there a long time before [the doctor] came in to tell us," she says. "I guess he didn't want to either. But the doctor had to tell us—Dr. Murray."
Dr. Conrad Murray was Michael's personal physician. He's been accused of administering lethal levels of propofol, a powerful anesthetic, and was charged with involuntary manslaughter for his role in Michael's death.
"Dr. Murray told you?" Oprah asks.
"Yes," Katherine says. "He came out, and he was talking. It took him so long. And I'd say: 'Well, what's happened? ... Did he make it?' And he said: 'No. He's gone.' That's all I remember."
Ta daaaaaaaa!!! Contradiction anyone? ;D Thank you for finding this out mindseye. ;)
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Chandler must come out and tell the truth sooner or later. His father is dead. Why does not he talk for once?
exactly! there is no need to be afraid of anyone, he is adult now, so he can take responsibility for the past. He should do that for Michael!
I've just got a feeling that Chandler will tell the truth after the BAM.
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I actually had the feeling a few times that Katherine had to try hard not to burst out in laughing.
Now she says she never met Murray, but previously she has said that she met Murray in the hospital, that he was the one that told her Michael was dead. I have to go watch her other interviews again.
At 13:50
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsV3P_2D15k[/youtube]
Katherine Jackson Opens Up About the Day Michael Died - Oprah.com (http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Katherine-Jackson-Grief-Grandchildren-and-Michael/6)
Unsure whether he was alive or dead, Katherine arrived at the hospital and waited to learn about her son's condition. "We stayed in there a long time before [the doctor] came in to tell us," she says. "I guess he didn't want to either. But the doctor had to tell us—Dr. Murray."
Dr. Conrad Murray was Michael's personal physician. He's been accused of administering lethal levels of propofol, a powerful anesthetic, and was charged with involuntary manslaughter for his role in Michael's death.
"Dr. Murray told you?" Oprah asks.
"Yes," Katherine says. "He came out, and he was talking. It took him so long. And I'd say: 'Well, what's happened? ... Did he make it?' And he said: 'No. He's gone.' That's all I remember."
Ta daaaaaaaa!!! Contradiction anyone? ;D Thank you for finding this out mindseye. ;)
OMG I do remember that conversation. Hmmmmmm! :compute:
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Thanks Souza for the videos. I watched the interview last night...but forgot to tape it. I agree there were a few times that I thought Katherine was going to laugh also. I laughed when she said, video #4 about 3:08 when Piers asked her how often she talked to Michael and she started with "I talk to him" then corrected to I'd talk to him. ...
I noticed her stumble too and just prior to that at 3:00 says ‘He's very… (pause) … very mild tempered.’
Don't know if any relevance, but I took note that she wore a Dove brooch - love, peace or as messengers, Holy Spirit. Doves or other birds are sometimes released at Christian weddings.
Yeah, her face lights up with a smile when Piers asks about #7 – meaning ‘completeness’ in the bible.
Reminder about the media, most believe what hear and read, terrible lies.
Brett repeats, he loved life.
Then says later, he not only wanted monument for ppl to be married, it’s a monument to his ‘love of life’.
Katherine says he loved life, he loved ppl.
Inspired by Prince Albert monument gothic -futuristic.
Celebrates the arts (poetry, painting, architecture and sculpture) The pillars and niches of the canopy feature eight statues representing the practical arts and sciences…eight statues of the moral and Christian virtues, including the four cardinal virtues and the three theological virtues. The virtues are: Faith, Hope, Charity and Humility, and Fortitude, Prudence, Justice and Temperance.
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I found this interview that Michael had with Piers Morgan in 1999
Rare Michael Jackson Interview 1999 "The Mirror" (audio) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp9mALQ2KTQ)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp9mALQ2KTQ :michael_jackson-1135:[/youtube]
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Thank you @Souza for having recorded and posted both the interviews ! ;)
For those who haven't yet watched it, here's the Full length video
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV2ec56NkZM&feature=share[/youtube]
Here's Esprit's video
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2JXfw8sGOk&feature=g-all-u[/youtube]
Here are my notes that I made while watching it:
blue background/purple dress
art-talk (symbolism), water colors
father painted ----> new info
NO. 7 & chairs (TS --- > FURNITURE)
MLK drawing, Abraham Lincoln ---- > freedom
Paint-relax-escapism
Lost childhood
Trials --- > MJ had fun on the beach (just like Murray)
Paris cries at memorial ---> Mj mom- "Paris can cry on the spot, very good actress"
stress on the terms: enthusiastic, enthusiasm, energy
Brett – MJ was excited to be in FRONT of his fans again;
Brett: I am an artist. What are you? --- > MJ: I love life
I won't develop them into phrases anymore because I think you guys already noticed them already and expressed perfectly what they mean!
This interview was a mini-BAM!!
We must thank to our talented & lovely Lady in Blue (Purple), Mrs. Katherine Jackson!
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"Don't know if any relevance, but I took note that she wore a Dove brooch - love, peace or as messengers, Holy Spirit. Doves or other birds are sometimes released at Christian weddings".
Mindseye, I noticed the dove brooch also. Thinking the meaning of the doves as you for love and peace......Also, remember the 2005 trial when they announced Michael's innocents there was a woman in the crowd who released doves. I think the brooch has meaning. :bearhug:
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I actually had the feeling a few times that Katherine had to try hard not to burst out in laughing.
Now she says she never met Murray, but previously she has said that she met Murray in the hospital, that he was the one that told her Michael was dead. I have to go watch her other interviews again.
I thought I saw that too. Unless we read it. This is all so confusing. She specifically said to this day I haven't met DCM. Hmm...Murray said that he loves Ms. Katherine or she's my mother (something like that). Kinda strange saying that about someone he never met.
Here is the link from TMZ
Dr. Conrad Murray -- I 'Love' MJ's Mom | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/06/dr-conrad-murray-katherine-jackson-michael-jackson-manslaughter-prelim-nordstroms/)
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Did anyone pick up on the cadilac car commercial in between the interview? It made reference to Front and Back. Just thought it was interesting. Different countries probably run different commercials.
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Did anyone pick up on the cadilac car commercial in between the interview? It made reference to Front and Back. Just thought it was interesting. Different countries probably run different commercials.
No, I don't think so. Here in Holland we get the US ads too.
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Did anyone pick up on the cadilac car commercial in between the interview? It made reference to Front and Back. Just thought it was interesting. Different countries probably run different commercials.
@ sandythyme Right, I forgot about that. :icon_e_biggrin:
Must be this one, that's a funny coincidence.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrhC6p24RE0[/youtube]
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Did anyone pick up on the cadilac car commercial in between the interview? It made reference to Front and Back. Just thought it was interesting. Different countries probably run different commercials.
No, I don't think so. Here in Holland we get the US ads too.
Souza, it was in the first 15 minutes or so of the interview. :)
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Did anyone pick up on the cadilac car commercial in between the interview? It made reference to Front and Back. Just thought it was interesting. Different countries probably run different commercials.
No, I don't think so. Here in Holland we get the US ads too.
Souza, it was in the first 15 minutes or so of the interview. :)
I can't remember seeing the ad, but I was busy keeping my phone ready and peeing during the break and stretch legs etc. lol. But I do know the ad, I've seen it before.
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Did anyone pick up on the cadilac car commercial in between the interview? It made reference to Front and Back. Just thought it was interesting. Different countries probably run different commercials.
@ sandythyme Right, I forgot about that. :icon_e_biggrin:
Must be this one, that's a funny coincidence.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrhC6p24RE0[/youtube]
Thanks Mindseye! :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug: I was hoping I wasn't going crazy...
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Did anyone pick up on the cadilac car commercial in between the interview? It made reference to Front and Back. Just thought it was interesting. Different countries probably run different commercials.
No, I don't think so. Here in Holland we get the US ads too.
Souza, it was in the first 15 minutes or so of the interview. :)
I can't remember seeing the ad, but I was busy keeping my phone ready and peeing during the break and stretch legs etc. lol. But I do know the ad, I've seen it before.
Souza...... :thjajaja121: Peeing always comes first! :)
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Here is the link from TMZ
Dr. Conrad Murray -- I 'Love' MJ's Mom | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/06/dr-conrad-murray-katherine-jackson-michael-jackson-manslaughter-prelim-nordstroms/)
Yes. That's it. Thank you.
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Did anyone pick up on the cadilac car commercial in between the interview? It made reference to Front and Back. Just thought it was interesting. Different countries probably run different commercials.
I didn't notice this time because I usually ignore the commercials. Someone pointed it out earlier. It's a cadillac. Not an Escalade but still.... but I would call that a coincidence. :icon_e_smile:
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13:09 "I know he was taking painkillers because he got burnt on the top of his head, very painful."
25:25 "These were all terrible lies... that he might have been on painkillers, things like that."
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No one picks up on this stuff?
I mean, they didn't even catch the Paris cries on cue (20:57) right after they show the tape (18:25) where... Paris cries on cue.
People are really, really gullible. This Piers guy is lost in space.
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Bec
13:09 "I know he was taking painkillers because he got burnt on the top of his head, very painful."
25:25 "These were all terrible lies... that he might have been on painkillers, things like that."
You're good!
Katherine is very good!!! :th_bravo:
Seems her speech is riddled with clues--a veritable treasure!
Andrea said that same Cadillac ad was in the PM interview with the Jackson brothers.
Bec
There are some biblical references to marriage between God and his followers, or was it Jesus, I forget, but something brought up in TS's signs referred to a metaphorical marriage of sorts that reminded me of this proposed monument.
Also about the Wedding chapel, on another thread about Oprah's OWN, she talks to Paris about her dad performing, but more related for this topic she interviews 2 married gay guys saying, "they really ARE the modern family", and some nuns saying, "you fell in love with Christ", and talking about what is really "Normal". Is the wedding chapel really just the concept of bringing people together in unity in a non-judgemental accepting manner, with/under the presence and accompaniment of MJ, his music and his ideals/vision/creative thinking. The Bible speaks about the Marriage supper of the Lamb and his bride, the church. The Old Testament is the marriage of God and Israel. So I think the MJ chapel is symbolic of spiritual truth. If so, what is he telling us?
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Ms. Katherine is incredible. Ms. Katherine deserves an Oscar. I am blown away by her performance. This was a long interview to sit there in the hot seat and she stayed cool as a cucumber on ice. Very impressive composure.
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I'm going to try to watch the whole thing a bit later tonight, I've only managed to catch a few snippets. From everyone's comments it sounds like Ms. Katherine has provided alot of clues/whispers/hints again.
She really is a beautifully strong and intelligent woman.
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Me too Adi....I have to work long hours this week...so will have to watch later. Thanks Souza for the videos once again. :)
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@Souza, re missing the ad breaks cos you had to go and pee: goodness me girl, didn't you have a cup at the ready, so you wouldn't have to go anywhere? :affraid: Have you learnt nothing from the master in these 3 years?!!! :icon_lol:
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Katherine said the world is doomed, and Pierce ignored that comment. Where is the dividing line between her hoax and true JW beliefs. :icon_e_confused:
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Katherine said the world is doomed, and Pierce ignored that comment. Where is the dividing line between her hoax and true JW beliefs. :icon_e_confused:
Yes I heard that too, she also said Im a christian and believe in reserection? I thought she was JW is that christian ? I thought JW believed when your dead your dead and that only the 144,000 would return from the dead? Maybe I need to reread some stuff :Crash:
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This is good news all around.... The connection regarding MJ's art and a temple in las legas, is an obvious association to Elvis Presley...there's been a chapel in Las Vegas for many years..since EP death.
Sorry, I had to link to this video...it's just sooooooo funny :LolLolLolLol: :icon_mrgreen:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quLBE1ei8ww&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
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Oh 2good2btrue, now I want to redo my wedding SO-O-o-o-o bad! They are having so much fun! :LolLolLolLol: My sides would be aching and my face a mess from laughing I'm sure... Don't know how old that groom is after he came clean :affraid: :thjajaja121: but he can move!
@Souza, re missing the ad breaks cos you had to go and pee: goodness me girl, didn't you have a cup at the ready, so you wouldn't have to go anywhere? :affraid: Have you learnt nothing from the master in these 3 years?!!! :icon_lol:
:LolLolLolLol: easier for guys!
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13:09 "I know he was taking painkillers because he got burnt on the top of his head, very painful."
25:25 "These were all terrible lies... that he might have been on painkillers, things like that."
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No one picks up on this stuff?
I mean, they didn't even catch the Paris cries on cue (20:57) right after they show the tape (18:25) where... Paris cries on cue.
People are really, really gullible. This Piers guy is lost in space.
What would you expect him to ask? If her granddaughter has faked her crying when her father died?!
P.S.: I felt a lot of pain at Mrs. Jackson... I don't see her faking. Is she such a good actress?
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Ketherine pain is real WHEN she talks about all the injustices Michael suffered.
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i am never so sure though if the pain is for michael or for the blemish on the jackson name as a whole.
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Ketherine pain is real WHEN she talks about all the injustices Michael suffered.
Bingo! She doesn't have to fake everything. But she did laugh when talking about the real hoax stuff, like the sevens. Maybe she is starting to enjoy the fun a little. I can imagine it must be hard for her to live a lie being a faithful JW, but she is getting pretty good at avoiding questions she can't answer. And the woman looks STUNNING for an 83-Year-old woman.
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Souza,
^^Agree with you on both accounts. :)
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13:09 "I know he was taking painkillers because he got burnt on the top of his head, very painful."
25:25 "These were all terrible lies... that he might have been on painkillers, things like that."
:icon_eek:
No one picks up on this stuff?
I mean, they didn't even catch the Paris cries on cue (20:57) right after they show the tape (18:25) where... Paris cries on cue.
People are really, really gullible. This Piers guy is lost in space.
What would you expect him to ask? If her granddaughter has faked her crying when her father died?!
P.S.: I felt a lot of pain at Mrs. Jackson... I don't see her faking. Is she such a good actress?
Well yeah. I mean come on. We just watched the famous clip of Paris crying and then KJ tells the story of how her granddaughter can cry on cue... he should have said something. You could ask "well then it would be difficult to know if she was truly crying wouldn't it?", you could say the obvious, "we just saw the famous clip of Paris's tearful speech at Michael's memorial, and you just told us the lovely story of how Paris is such a good actress she can cry on cue, do you have anything to add?" He's a journalist... it's his job to ask the tough questions. He blew it.
But see, socially, that would have been awkward. This journalist bowed to social pressures that dictate he has to show proper respect for the dead (even though when MJ was 'alive', no journalist felt any pressure to show any respect at all) which makes it difficult to press KJ on this point at all unless he wants to risk looking insensitive.
So to protect his OWN image, he says nothing, IF he even noticed at all, which is debatable.
He didn't even catch a massive contradiction within his own interview (took painkillers/painkillers was a dirty lie). He sucks at his job. If this guy is supposed to be so good, so respectful, so proper an interviewer, journalism IS dead. It's nothing but an elaborate stage production.
Thank you MJ for making this ever so clear.
Ps. veronica, of course you're supposed to "feel" KJ's pain. She's a profoundly incredible actor. You got sucked in, just like the rest of the increasingly unaware general public.
Pps. Ms Katherine is damn near coming out and telling the entire world that her whole family is committing a massive hoax on the media and the general public. They are getting more confident about it too, at the nearly 3 year mark, it's pretty clear going forward, that no one is going to cal them on it, they are too concerned about their own image and risking social faux-pas to say one bloody word about all these contradictions and suggestive statements... IF they're even paying attention enough to notice them.
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Katherine said the world is doomed, and Pierce ignored that comment. Where is the dividing line between her hoax and true JW beliefs. :icon_e_confused:
Yes I heard that too, she also said Im a christian and believe in reserection? I thought she was JW is that christian ? I thought JW believed when your dead your dead and that only the 144,000 would return from the dead? Maybe I need to reread some stuff :Crash:
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JW is Christian. Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, that is not the concept of the 144,000. This is how get it when I read the Bible, and I also think that the JW believe this, or something like this.
Those who will not receive the mark of the beast, and will die before the end, will be resurrected before the millenium reign, those who have died before the mark of the beast is enforced but who are written in the book of life will be resurrected after the millenium reign (second resurrection). The 144,000 are the ones that will live through the great tribulation and go to heaven without dying and they will battle Satan. Satan will be bound on earth for 1,000 years, so the 144,000 and the first resurrected will live in heaven for 1,000 years, then Satan will be destroyed forever and there will be a new earth and the rest will be resurrected. The Bible says that before God destroys him, Satan will be loosened for a short period to ´deceive the nations´, so that implies that the wicked will not be destroyed until after the 1,000 years are finished, otherwise there would not be nations to deceive. But I doubt earth will be a nice place to live during those 1,000 years. That is (as I get it) hell. The earth will be hell. But never did I find support for the Catholic view that there is eternal hell for the dead. Dead is dead. I think that is also pretty much what the JW believe as far as i'm concerned.
It's a little messy, but I hope you get my point.
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You know I gotta say, usually Esprit does a pretty good job with videos but he/she really blew it this time. That video was really weak. KJ gave so MANY clues and Esprit totally dropped the ball on compiling them into any kind of format that might convince even someone who already believes.
It would help if these video makers would use proper grammar as well. You can't show these videos to anyone in the US and have them taken seriously because the captions look like a grade school student pulling C's wrote them.
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Did anyone pick up on the cadilac car commercial in between the interview? It made reference to Front and Back. Just thought it was interesting. Different countries probably run different commercials.
@ sandythyme Right, I forgot about that. :icon_e_biggrin:
Must be this one, that's a funny coincidence.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrhC6p24RE0[/youtube]
I don't think that's just a coincidence. ;D
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Did anyone pick up on the cadilac car commercial in between the interview? It made reference to Front and Back. Just thought it was interesting. Different countries probably run different commercials.
@ sandythyme Right, I forgot about that. :icon_e_biggrin:
Must be this one, that's a funny coincidence.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrhC6p24RE0[/youtube]
I don't think that's just a coincidence. ;D
I heard of Back and Front, but who is Left and Right now?! ;D
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13:09 "I know he was taking painkillers because he got burnt on the top of his head, very painful."
25:25 "These were all terrible lies... that he might have been on painkillers, things like that."
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No one picks up on this stuff?
I mean, they didn't even catch the Paris cries on cue (20:57) right after they show the tape (18:25) where... Paris cries on cue.
People are really, really gullible. This Piers guy is lost in space.
Bec,
I thought Ms. Katherine contradicted herself too when she mentioned the pain killers twice. But the second time she said it I think she meant that they are saying he was STILL on the pain killers from the time he was taking them since the burn accident. Maybe she didn't word it properly.
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13:09 "I know he was taking painkillers because he got burnt on the top of his head, very painful."
25:25 "These were all terrible lies... that he might have been on painkillers, things like that."
:icon_eek:
No one picks up on this stuff?
I mean, they didn't even catch the Paris cries on cue (20:57) right after they show the tape (18:25) where... Paris cries on cue.
People are really, really gullible. This Piers guy is lost in space.
Bec,
I thought Ms. Katherine contradicted herself too when she mentioned the pain killers twice. But the second time she said it I think she meant that they are saying he was STILL on the pain killers from the time he was taking them since the burn accident. Maybe she didn't word it properly.
Well one would have to assume in lieu of what Ms. Katherine actually said. One ought to be carefull in making assumptions. This is the job of the journalist to clarify conflicting statements, as they are the person, live, with the mic, asking the questions which are generating these conflicting statements. As it were, Piers Morgan failed to do his job. As it is, we are left having to either take Ms. Katherine at her word, assume she MEANT this or that, or simply understand that there is more to the story.
However, her words ought to be taken within context and her context is conflicting as well. In this same interview she contradicted herself based on her past statements. Ms. Katherine stated that she has never, TO THIS DAY met Conrad Murray before. 18 months ago she stated that Conrad Murray broke the news to her that MJ was gone. Now, is she lying or acting? If lying, what would be the motive? Not sure, so I conclude that she is acting, being purposely misleading so as to generate doubt and suspicion regarding her statements.
She is also laying the ground work for some REAL journalist, somewhere, who must exist out there in the world, to pick up on these discrepancies and hold her to them. Laying a trap, perhaps, or holding out bait, Ms. Katherine is. It's astounding to me that not one person, with a mic and a platform, has stood up and taken it. Not one.
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I believe we are already nearing the end of those 1,000 years of satan’s reign (look at the government, etc.) and satan knows he is about to be defeated. This being the reason so many evil things are allowed to happen with no fear of repercussion and truly good people are looked at with suspicion, ridicule and hate. Michael knows. I know he does. He is a part of that new world that’s coming. I hope I’ll be there.
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have to ask who is the target audience for these interviews? as people in general just don't seem to be giving a ff about it all or do they idk.
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I believe we are already nearing the end of those 1,000 years of satan’s reign (look at the government, etc.) and satan knows he is about to be defeated. This being the reason so many evil things are allowed to happen with no fear of repercussion and truly good people are looked at with suspicion, ridicule and hate. Michael knows. I know he does. He is a part of that new world that’s coming. I hope I’ll be there.
That is not biblical. The 1,000 years are AFTER the mark of the beast, the great tribulation etc. During those 1,000 years, satan is bound and will NOT be able to deceive. It's also after the first resurrection, which hasn't happened yet.
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Ms. Katherine is incredible. Ms. Katherine deserves an Oscar. I am blown away by her performance. This was a long interview to sit there in the hot seat and she stayed cool as a cucumber on ice. Very impressive composure.
I agree totally with you Bec.... :icon_bounce: Mrs katherine is a wonderful actress...Michael is a really good director :icon_bounce: :icon_razz: :moonwalk_: :ghsdf:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4wX18Fwft9M#![/youtube]
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I wonder if Oprah has seen this interview, and if she has, I wonder if she is saying :WTF:?? :LolLolLolLol:
Sending you all LOVE! :)
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Well one would have to assume in lieu of what Ms. Katherine actually said. One ought to be carefull in making assumptions. This is the job of the journalist to clarify conflicting statements, as they are the person, live, with the mic, asking the questions which are generating these conflicting statements. As it were, Piers Morgan failed to do his job. As it is, we are left having to either take Ms. Katherine at her word, assume she MEANT this or that, or simply understand that there is more to the story.
However, her words ought to be taken within context and her context is conflicting as well. In this same interview she contradicted herself based on her past statements. Ms. Katherine stated that she has never, TO THIS DAY met Conrad Murray before. 18 months ago she stated that Conrad Murray broke the news to her that MJ was gone. Now, is she lying or acting? If lying, what would be the motive? Not sure, so I conclude that she is acting, being purposely misleading so as to generate doubt and suspicion regarding her statements.
She is also laying the ground work for some REAL journalist, somewhere, who must exist out there in the world, to pick up on these discrepancies and hold her to them. Laying a trap, perhaps, or holding out bait, Ms. Katherine is. It's astounding to me that not one person, with a mic and a platform, has stood up and taken it. Not one.
Good points!
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Now I am confused because I’ve always been taught that the first resurrection was the resurrection of Christ and that the second one would be of his return to claim his people as his own. :icon_eek: However, near the time of the 2nd coming, there would be false gods and prophets parading as good which is already happening all over the world. I don’t know if the mark is 666 or if that number was an evil number used as a metaphor in those days of bible interpretation, but we all have been assigned our numbers under what ever name, be it social security, booking, case, ATM pins or any other social assignment, and there is absolutely nothing you can do in this world without at least one of them. Everything you do is somehow attached to a number. You can’t get around it.
Seems I need to be spending more time on the biblical forum and in Sunday afterschool. :confused:
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Now I am confused because I’ve always been taught that the first resurrection was the resurrection of Christ and that the second one would be of his return to claim his people as his own. :icon_eek: However, near the time of the 2nd coming, there would be false gods and prophets parading as good which is already happening all over the world. I don’t know if the mark is 666 or if that number was an evil number used as a metaphor in those days of bible interpretation, but we all have been assigned our numbers under what ever name, be it social security, booking, case, ATM pins or any other social assignment, and there is absolutely nothing you can do in this world without at least one of them. Everything you do is somehow attached to a number. You can’t get around it.
Seems I need to be spending more time on the biblical forum and in Sunday afterschool. :confused:
I reposted it there and commented there as well: The first and second resurrection (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=88.msg576#msg576)
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:compute: Thanks Souza!
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Ketherine pain is real WHEN she talks about all the injustices Michael suffered.
Bingo! She doesn't have to fake everything. But she did laugh when talking about the real hoax stuff, like the sevens. Maybe she is starting to enjoy the fun a little. I can imagine it must be hard for her to live a lie being a faithful JW, but she is getting pretty good at avoiding questions she can't answer. And the woman looks STUNNING for an 83-Year-old woman.
Your words make me so happy Souza !!! :woohoo2:... :bearhug: Michael love you !!! :icon_bounce:
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Thanks again Souza!
Be back soon to write down my thoughts. Gonna get some sleep now *zzzzzz*, it's pretty late/early.
Nite
with L.O.V.E
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Interesting for Piers to say at the beginning of the telecast (at :02) "Tonight the exclusive interview, 3 years in the making..." Oh, so this interview was planned BEFORE June 25, 2009?? :icon_e_wink:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28re5aL15js&feature=relmfu[/youtube]
Katherine Jackson & Brett Livingstone Interview (Piers Morgan Tonight, CNN, 14.05.2012) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28re5aL15js&feature=relmfu)
Link to transcript of interview May 14, 2012: CNN.com - Transcripts (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/14/pmt.01.html)
Kind of along the lines of Kenny Ortega at the July 7 Memorial?? (at :30) "We were here, a little less than a week ago... and Michael was with us..."
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyNOOkPVilg[/youtube]
Michael Jackson Memorial: Kenny Ortega (High School Musical Director) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyNOOkPVilg)
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"But never did I find support for the Catholic view that there is eternal hell for the dead. Dead is dead".
I’m Catholic - we don’t think dead is dead. We believe in Heaven, Hell & Purgatory. Satan's 1,000 year reign is almost up, imo. Although I always thought it was 100 years? Anyway, I think we are witnessing the end times & the second coming of Christ is close at hand. Just look at the world in the last century. A great book to read on the subject (for everyone) is called “The Thunder Of Justice”. It’s stories from different visionaries who had, or are having, apparitions of Jesus, and or, The Virgin Mary. They were told (some shown) what is to come and how best to prepare. Lots could not handle what they had seen. To name a few people in the book; St. Bernadette of Lourdes, St. Faustina of Fatima, Padre Pio, the children from Garabandal Spain, Medjugorje Bosnia, and Kibeho Rwanda (videos of these later events are on YT). Plus, many, many more. Notice most are children! They tell of the great chastisement to come & the beauty of the world after Christ‘s return. It’s a scary read but you can see it all playing out today. I say, even if you don’t believe - it doesn’t hurt to read this book in case it does happen. At least you will know what the heck is going on.
As for the first resurrection; that is when Christ rose for the dead and ascended into Heaven. Not sure what is meant by the second resurrection?
Some years back I had a couple of very sweet Jehovah Witness’s come to my door, I was interested to learn what they believe so I let them in. They told me that when you die you go to sleep & wait for Christ to awaken you. I told them I’d be afraid He wouldn’t wake me & I‘d be sleeping for eternity. Imagine the bed sores! lol They also mentioned the 144,000 lucky ones who get to go to Heaven. I asked them “in 2,000 years & all the saintly people who have lived before us, wouldn’t that quota be filled by now?” That questioned stumped them a bit. In fact I may have converted the older lady. lol
Kidding aside, I think all religions should be respected. There’s only one God and whatever you may call Him does not matter, it’s believing in Him that’s important. <3
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On the interview topic - didn't that drawing of Michael sitting in the corner with the mic sell at Julien's Auction House? I seem to recall it in one of the many MJ auctions. But... Miko Brando also said he promised Michael he would get it all back for him. hmmm...
Also; if you look at the O2 schedule - he was to perform 2.5 shows a week. NOT one day on, one day off. Plus he had plenty of off time as well. I don't get why people think he couldn't do 50 shows. Plenty of artists over 50 years old are still performing no problem. Maybe not all are as active on stage as he was but some are. And 50 is NOT old!
BTW - the lovely Katherine looks like she's wearing the famous suit again. Same one from the trial - both of them.
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Just thought I'd mention that Katherine and Paris Jackson made the front news today in Australia....
This is amazing news, because the whole article is about Paris and her acting debut and career......
More specifically, it talks about how Katherine asked Paris if she thinks she can act.....and then Paris replied that she can cry on cue....incredible how the general public don't even see this as suspicious...
I suppose the rest of the world has no idea what is really going on.....Just thought I'd share that information for you :) :)
'I don’t think Michael would have wanted it,' Katherine Jackson voices concerns over her grandaughter’s acting career - CelebrityFIX (http://celebrities.ninemsn.com.au/Blog.aspx?mode=&blogentryid=1010968&showcomments=true)
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Bec
Well yeah. I mean come on. We just watched the famous clip of Paris crying and then KJ tells the story of how her granddaughter can cry on cue... he should have said something. You could ask "well then it would be difficult to know if she was truly crying wouldn't it?", you could say the obvious, "we just saw the famous clip of Paris's tearful speech at Michael's memorial, and you just told us the lovely story of how Paris is such a good actress she can cry on cue, do you have anything to add?" He's a journalist... it's his job to ask the tough questions. He blew it.
Martin Bashir, Barbara Walters, and Diane Sawyer all would have asked it. Well maybe not, but they might have a sickening feeling rush over them, that they’ve been had.
I really think Pierce is a beLIEver, just like Larry King, who he replaced.
Veronicafall
I heard of Back and Front, but who is Left and Right now?!
It's simply so COINCIDENTAL an ad! Love it! Here's Front's first post with at least 'left'.
He never left!
The King is King of making magic ----- Front, Back, Sideways, Left and Center. NEVER forget that!
The GREATEST entertainer in the world makes the world his stage........on an ILLusional Front.
Bad health? I don't think so!
I sure love Katherine’s laugh! It reminds me of some of my older aunties—a pleasant and loving laugh!
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I'm know that most of us noticed the add about the cadillac...Front to Back....but did you also notice the letters before that???
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/front.jpg)
Pretty freaky if you ask me...
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I'm know that most of us noticed the add about the cadillac...Front to Back....but did you also notice the letters before that???
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/front.jpg)
Pretty freaky if you ask me...
:Pulling_hair:
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I respect and admire Katherine in how she did the interview. And I agree Souza, she looks stunning. She is elegant and intelligent (of course :smiley-vault-misc-150: :icon_rolleyes: she’s the mother of Michael).
Katherine gave well thought and honest answers, and to some questions she answered like: “You know I really can’t answer that question”, which is direct and honest and I respect Piers that he didn’t make efforts to ask further (like many journalists would do :icon_evil:). I think it means that she has been well instructed what to tell and what to not tell :icon_e_wink:.
Vid 1: 1:26 “I can’t say too much more about him (MJ)…but his father was an artist too, he loved to paint and draw..”
2:04: Piers: “What did painting brought/give him: KJ: “You know what.. I can’t really answer that question..” (could mean Katherine doesn’t know OR she has her reasons not to tell).
KJ said that Nr 7 means completeness in the bible, it’s a Lucky nr for him. He just had an obsession for chairs (this reminds me of the throne picture in one of Front’s posts)
Vid2:
About CM: "that others are involved I don’t know, I feel that. I rather not answer that question. 4 years in jail is not in enough. Ill never see my son again, but he (CM) can get out and he can enjoy his children" :icon_e_sad:. Strong: "he trusted him." KJ: "Michael trusted everybody."
I felt sad, though I admire her confidence too when KJ said: “Every morning all through the day I think about michael, … I just miss him, being a Christian and believe in resurrection I feel that I’ll see him again”.
How was MJ physically in the build up to his death. Because of the trial KJ can’t say too much about it. She was concerned about those shows (50), every night working, she called him to tell him they had to change that schedule. She felt that a lot of bad people were around. “All about money” :icon_evil:
Vid 3:
They’re doing very well. Prince is a very good student. Paris wanted so badly into showbiz, “I gave in” KJ said. “just try me” she said. “I can cry on cue” (again mentioned in an interview! :icon_cool:)
Strong: “he wanted to being friends with his fans again”.
The biggest misconception: KJ: "most people believe what they read, terrible lies, like he was molesting young boys, he might have been on painkillers things like that, they were trying to make him out that he was a terrible person and he was not that".
Vid 4:
KJ: "Michael was a perfectionist, whatever he did he wanted to do the best". “Man in the Mirror” is her favorite, because of the message. “ Earth song” too.
KJ About Jordan Chandler who admitted that he had lied: “after Michael died Jordan came out that he wished that he could have told Michael before he passed, let him know that he had come into the public and admitted that he had never touched him."
Vid 5: Strong: About MJ’s art and L.A. Children’s Hospital. Michael had wished to donate his artwork in the Children's hospital back in 2007/2008, but he couldn't because the hospital wasn't finished yet.
A Paradigm Shift in Los Angeles | mjjjusticeproject (http://mjjjusticeproject.wordpress.com/2011/08/10/a-paradigm-shift-in-los-angeles/)
Michael's children did donate his work:
Michael Jackson artwork unveiled at Children's Hospital LA | abc7.com (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=8296695)
I'm happy that Michael knows that some of his artwork is there, as he wished. :bearhug:
L.O.V.E
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Veronicafall
I heard of Back and Front, but who is Left and Right now?!
It's simply so COINCIDENTAL an ad! Love it! Here's Front's first post with at least 'left'.
He never left!
The King is King of making magic ----- Front, Back, Sideways, Left and Center. NEVER forget that!
The GREATEST entertainer in the world makes the world his stage........on an ILLusional Front.
Bad health? I don't think so!
Yes, it is... coincidental.
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I respect and admire Katherine in how she did the interview. And I agree Souza, she looks stunning. She is elegant and intelligent (of course :smiley-vault-misc-150: :icon_rolleyes: she’s the mother of Michael).
Katherine gave well thought and honest answers, and to some questions she answered like: “You know I really can’t answer that question”, which is direct and honest and I respect Piers that he didn’t make efforts to ask further (like many journalists would do :icon_evil:). I think it means that she has been well instructed what to tell and what to not tell :icon_e_wink:.
Vid 1: 1:26 “I can’t say too much more about him (MJ)…but his father was an artist too, he loved to paint and draw..”
2:04: Piers: “What did painting brought/give him: KJ: “You know what.. I can’t really answer that question..” (could mean Katherine doesn’t know OR she has her reasons not to tell).
KJ said that Nr 7 means completeness in the bible, it’s a Lucky nr for him. He just had an obsession for chairs (this reminds me of the throne picture in one of Front’s posts)
Vid2:
About CM: "that others are involved I don’t know, I feel that. I rather not answer that question. 4 years in jail is not in enough. Ill never see my son again, but he (CM) can get out and he can enjoy his children" :icon_e_sad:. Strong: "he trusted him." KJ: "Michael trusted everybody."
I felt sad, though I admire her confidence too when KJ said: “Every morning all through the day I think about michael, … I just miss him, being a Christian and believe in resurrection I feel that I’ll see him again”.
How was MJ physically in the build up to his death. Because of the trial KJ can’t say too much about it. She was concerned about those shows (50), every night working, she called him to tell him they had to change that schedule. She felt that a lot of bad people were around. “All about money” :icon_evil:
Vid 3:
They’re doing very well. Prince is a very good student. Paris wanted so badly into showbiz, “I gave in” KJ said. “just try me” she said. “I can cry on cue” (again mentioned in an interview! :icon_cool:)
Strong: “he wanted to being friends with his fans again”.
The biggest misconception: KJ: "most people believe what they read, terrible lies, like he was molesting young boys, he might have been on painkillers things like that, they were trying to make him out that he was a terrible person and he was not that".
Vid 4:
KJ: "Michael was a perfectionist, whatever he did he wanted to do the best". “Man in the Mirror” is her favorite, because of the message. “ Earth song” too.
KJ About Jordan Chandler who admitted that he had lied: “after Michael died Jordan came out that he wished that he could have told Michael before he passed, let him know that he had come into the public and admitted that he had never touched him."
Vid 5: Strong: About MJ’s art and L.A. Children’s Hospital. Michael had wished to donate his artwork in the Children's hospital back in 2007/2008, but he couldn't because the hospital wasn't finished yet.
A Paradigm Shift in Los Angeles | mjjjusticeproject (http://mjjjusticeproject.wordpress.com/2011/08/10/a-paradigm-shift-in-los-angeles/)
Michael's children did donate his work:
Michael Jackson artwork unveiled at Children's Hospital LA | abc7.com (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/entertainment&id=8296695)
I'm happy that Michael knows that some of his artwork is there, as he wished. :bearhug:
L.O.V.E
Thank you for putting the text here Everlastinglove :) I like: "he wanted to being friends with his fans again" :bearhug:
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The Jackson Brothers Gear Up For New Tour (http://watch.accesshollywood.com/video/the-jackson-brothers-gear-up-for-new-tour/1640720615001#)