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Title: TIAI May 27
Post by: ~Souza~ on May 27, 2012, 10:45:28 AM
Sign#3: SIGN #3: GOD’S VOICE AT SINAI AND ARMAGEDDON (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=89.msg601;topicseen#new)
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: paula-c on May 27, 2012, 10:48:43 AM
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Sign#3: SIGN #3: GOD’S VOICE AT SINAI AND ARMAGEDDON (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=89.msg601;topicseen#new)




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Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: RK on May 27, 2012, 10:49:34 AM
Brilliant. Just made my night.  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on May 27, 2012, 10:53:29 AM
Oh thank god.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: hesouttamylife on May 27, 2012, 11:07:55 AM
It seems that many of the directs from TS has to do with biblical instruction and teaching.  The posts are instructional, explaining discrepancies and teaching the reader to explore more of what is written and use common sense in interpretation.  To me, this feels like something that Michael would have been very adept at doing being that he was a Jehovah’s Witness who went door to door.  Perhaps in his absence from us, he has found a way to be present with us and resume the practice of the religion that remained closest to his heart.  Just spinning my wheels here, but who knows, could Michael be re-writing history from a biblical viewpoint?  Could a new Bible be in the making that will change everything we have accepted as truth over time?  Now that would be phenomenal on a worldwide scale.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on May 27, 2012, 11:09:36 AM
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But would a God of love cause all those Egyptian horses to suffer?  Probably the same question could be asked about the millions of animals that were sacrificed for about fifteen hundred years.  Frequently, the animal sacrifices were burned; but God never had them burned alive, which minimized their suffering.  And it’s even possible that God did some kind of miracle, to reduce or eliminate the suffering of the drowning horses.

Believe it or not, the Bible actually talks about this very subject.  “Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the LORD!  Yet he also is wise, and will bring evil, and will not call back his words: but will arise against the house of the evildoers, and against the help of them that work iniquity.  Now the Egyptians are men, and not God; and their horses flesh, and not spirit. When the LORD shall stretch out his hand, both he that helpeth shall fall, and he that is holpen [helped] shall fall down, and they all shall fail together.” (Isaiah 31:3).

Animals have “flesh”, but they do not have moral intelligence like God or even mankind.  Therefore, animals can’t learn to have faith in God and be tested on their faith, etc.  God knows this, and He also knows that all suffering is the result of sin—which is not His fault.  So God may at times allow animals to suffer, in order to help bring man to his senses, and help save mankind (see Matthew 10:29-31; Luke 12:6,7).  If the Egyptian army had not been drowned, there would be little scientific proof today that the Red Sea crossing actually occurred.  Those horses died to help save mankind, especially those of us living at the end of the world—let us therefore take heed to the warning, and not allow those horses to have died in vain!

Thanks, TS.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: SimPattyK on May 27, 2012, 11:10:26 AM
Hello TS!

been missing you :bearhug:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: paula-c on May 27, 2012, 11:14:21 AM
I am going to read this later, I am going to prepare my lunch i am hungry, This way  I can't
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: emulik on May 27, 2012, 11:15:08 AM
Good to hear from you TS! Thank you for new update!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 27, 2012, 12:22:37 PM
Welcome TS I am delighted to have you back!   :bowdown:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: lilwendy on May 27, 2012, 01:29:16 PM
Good to hear from you TS!  As you can see, we value you immensely!  I am running out the door but will be reading/studying your post tonight.

God bless you!
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Andrea on May 27, 2012, 01:37:56 PM
Awesome to hear from you again TS! I'm about to read Sign #3 and just looking at it I'm relieved it's not as long as 1 and 2, lol.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: jono on May 27, 2012, 01:57:39 PM
Thanks TS! Good to have you back!  :)

This could be of interest: Revealing God's Treasure - Mt. Sinai - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-eSRcr9CWw)
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Andrea on May 27, 2012, 02:19:58 PM
Does anyone know or ever heard about Michael meeting Ron Wyatt?  I googled it but came up with nada.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Andrea on May 27, 2012, 02:43:08 PM
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The main purpose of this Sign #3—as the title indicates—is to show the parallel and importance of God’s voice at Mt. Sinai, and God’s voice at the end of the world.  Both of which, by the way, are directly related to the ark of the covenant!  At Sinai God spoke the Ten Commandments, and the ark was built shortly afterward to contain the Decalogue.  At the beginning of the seventh vial, which marks the end of Armageddon, God will speak once again.  His voice will come “from the throne” in heaven (Revelation 16:17; see Joel 3:16; Amos 1:2); and as we learned in Sign #1, the ark of the covenant is God’s throne.

Revelation 11:19, “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ARK of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 16:16-21, “And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.  And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the THRONE, saying, It is done.  And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.  And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.  And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.  And there fell upon men a great hail …” (see 6:12-17).


This is where I get, I don't want to say confused but maybe...nervous (?) because from what I've read about Project Blue Beam, this is one of the scenarios that they (TPTB) supposedly plan to create.  Re-create the revelations so people will be fooled by the anti-Christ so everyone will be ushered into a one world religion (the survivors I suppose) after the "messiah" is seen all over the world in the sky declaring the 'truth', using the great earthquake to provide 'evidence' of what this 'messiah' is saying.  It would appear they have the technology to create earthquakes.

So I'm wondering - is this really TPTB's plans OR do they want their supposed plans leaked onto the internet so that when God  arrives, people will question/doubt/mis-trust God's message?  Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I being paranoid here?  There's so much mis-information out there and I think TPTB want us to think they have more power over us than they really do.

But really, in order not to be fooled, this would be why recognizing the true Ark is so important and having complete and utter faith in God. 

Maybe I should be writing this in the other forum...if I can remember my PW.

Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: blankie on May 27, 2012, 02:49:56 PM
Hi TS....  :icon_razz:  Thanks for this happiness !!  :icon_bounce:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Its all for Love on May 27, 2012, 03:10:05 PM
I really don't understand what this has to do with Michael.  This is about God and the bible.  Very confusing I think.  Michael loved his bible and his God, but I don't see him quoting all of this.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: ~Souza~ on May 27, 2012, 03:15:37 PM
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I really don't understand what this has to do with Michael.  This is about God and the bible.  Very confusing I think.  Michael loved his bible and his God, but I don't see him quoting all of this.

There we go again. Please check the forum it was posted on. You are a new?? member, so maybe you should first introduce yourself before you start bitching about what is discussed on here. You just signed up, you knew where you signed up for. If you are again someone only here to discredit members here or the forum in general, know that I will kick you out in a heartbeat. I'm done with the BS.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 27, 2012, 03:23:49 PM
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I really don't understand what this has to do with Michael.  This is about God and the bible.  Very confusing I think.  Michael loved his bible and his God, but I don't see him quoting all of this.

There we go again. Please check the forum it was posted on. You are a new?? member, so maybe you should first introduce yourself before you start bitching about what is discussed on here. You just signed up, you knew where you signed up for. If you are again someone only here to discredit members here or the forum in general, know that I will kick you out in a heartbeat. I'm done with the BS.

+1

Please honor your avatar's name and remember this forum has been set to this motto: "It's all for LOVE"
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Its all for Love on May 27, 2012, 03:27:19 PM
Souza..Excuse me?  I am not bitching about anything.  I simply said I was confused, and no I am not new, have been reading for almost 3 years.  Why are you blasting me already?  Seems like the more quiet you are, the better off you will be.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: GINAFELICIA on May 27, 2012, 03:29:23 PM
I'm going to read this tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: ~Souza~ on May 27, 2012, 03:32:32 PM
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Souza..Excuse me?  I am not bitching about anything.  I simply said I was confused, and no I am not new, have been reading for almost 3 years.  Why are you blasting me already?  Seems like the more quiet you are, the better off you will be.

Reading for so long, registered for almost a year and you decide THAT to be your first message? Not with any of the first two signs of TS? Just now? Yeah right. Your comment "Seems like the more quiet you are, the better off you will be." speaks volumes.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Its all for Love on May 27, 2012, 04:09:33 PM
Wow..this is unbelievable.. Your right, I never posted before now, and believe me I won't ever again, if this is how people are treated.  No wonder so many people have left.  Why are you so nasty? to someone you don't even know?
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: ~Souza~ on May 27, 2012, 04:11:45 PM
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Wow..this is unbelievable.. Your right, I never posted before now, and believe me I won't ever again, if this is how people are treated.  No wonder so many people have left.  Why are you so nasty? to someone you don't even know?

Ask your 'buddy' Scream. Goodbye.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Its all for Love on May 27, 2012, 04:26:03 PM
Souza....I don't know who scream is ??????????  and don't care to know.  I am 65 years old.  I do not play games with anyone.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on May 27, 2012, 04:36:16 PM
@Its all for love, it up to each individual to determine what this has to do with MJ. It's important for new comers to understand there are 2.5 years of history behind this project. So it may not be obvious at first glance to those just reading Sign 3.

It's a project called TIAI, or This Is Also It. You can search the username "TS" and "TS_comments" on this forum for more information on this project and the history involved with it, including objectives and goals.

It is not for everyone, but those who post here chose to do so because it is important to them personally, and we ask that everyone respect that individual decision.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Daniela on May 27, 2012, 04:40:43 PM
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I really don't understand what this has to do with Michael.  This is about God and the bible.  Very confusing I think.  Michael loved his bible and his God, but I don't see him quoting all of this.

I agree that this has nothing to do with the hoax, but it's best to keep your opinions to yourself on this forum, especially when it comes to TS, Front, or Back, because otherwise you will be banned.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Its all for Love on May 27, 2012, 04:45:59 PM
I am truly sorry Bec.  I just said I was confused, but was immediately jumped on.  I do not know any one by the name of scream, what is that?  Like I said I have been reading for almost 3 years and just decided to post something that I didn't understand.  I just ask a simple question.  Is this not allowed.  I am sorry, but I really don't know why I am apologizing.  Thank You.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on May 27, 2012, 04:46:29 PM
@Daniella: That's not true. You are proof that is not true.

We only ask that you respect the right of like minded people to assemble peacefully.

@It's all for love, you don't have to apologize. Souza is under a lot of pressure from internet harassment lately (again), she is the target of many hate blogs and hecklers for the past 3 years. It wears a person down. I am sorry this is happening. Questions are allowed and welcomed, we actually really like debates and people of different opinions to converge here on the forum.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: jono on May 27, 2012, 04:50:04 PM
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I agree that this has nothing to do with the hoax, but it's best to keep your opinions to yourself on this forum, especially when it comes to TS, Front, or Back, because otherwise you will be banned.

Seriously?? Not true. Not true at all.

I can't believe peoples behavior in here lately...  :icon_rolleyes:

 I can just imagine Souza and Bec going like this all the time: :Pulling_hair:

Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on May 27, 2012, 05:06:44 PM
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I agree that this has nothing to do with the hoax, but it's best to keep your opinions to yourself on this forum, especially when it comes to TS, Front, or Back, because otherwise you will be banned.

Seriously?? Not true. Not true at all.

I can't believe peoples behavior in here lately...  :icon_rolleyes:

 I can just imagine Souza and Bec going like this all the time: :Pulling_hair:

@Its all for love.... with all due respect to your age and yourself but if you have been reading this forum for already 3 years you should know by now who TS is and what TIAI is about, everybody is welcome on this forum, believe me, except Trolls ( I am not calling you a Troll FYI).
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MaryK on May 27, 2012, 05:12:11 PM
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I really don't understand what this has to do with Michael.  This is about God and the bible.  Very confusing I think.  Michael loved his bible and his God, but I don't see him quoting all of this.

I agree that this has nothing to do with the hoax, but it's best to keep your opinions to yourself on this forum, especially when it comes to TS, Front, or Back, because otherwise you will be banned.
Nobody will be banned if they discuss and ask in a decent manner.
Everybody is free to chose....why even bother to come here or post if they think TS and Front are total nutjobs and bs?

TS and Front have been integrated over time because they had important and interesting things to say. 
For many members that have been here for a long time they are keystones.
Maybe everybody should first thoroughly read all of their posts and then maybe post and ask in a decent way if they don´t understand...or just let it be if they are not convinced or interested.

 


Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: SimPattyK on May 27, 2012, 05:46:03 PM
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The main purpose of this Sign #3—as the title indicates—is to show the parallel and importance of God’s voice at Mt. Sinai, and God’s voice at the end of the world.  Both of which, by the way, are directly related to the ark of the covenant!  At Sinai God spoke the Ten Commandments, and the ark was built shortly afterward to contain the Decalogue.  At the beginning of the seventh vial, which marks the end of Armageddon, God will speak once again.  His voice will come “from the throne” in heaven (Revelation 16:17; see Joel 3:16; Amos 1:2); and as we learned in Sign #1, the ark of the covenant is God’s throne.

Revelation 11:19, “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ARK of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 16:16-21, “And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.  And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the THRONE, saying, It is done.  And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.  And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.  And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.  And there fell upon men a great hail …” (see 6:12-17).


This is where I get, I don't want to say confused but maybe...nervous (?) because from what I've read about Project Blue Beam, this is one of the scenarios that they (TPTB) supposedly plan to create.  Re-create the revelations so people will be fooled by the anti-Christ so everyone will be ushered into a one world religion (the survivors I suppose) after the "messiah" is seen all over the world in the sky declaring the 'truth', using the great earthquake to provide 'evidence' of what this 'messiah' is saying.  It would appear they have the technology to create earthquakes.

So I'm wondering - is this really TPTB's plans OR do they want their supposed plans leaked onto the internet so that when God  arrives, people will question/doubt/mis-trust God's message?  Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I being paranoid here? There's so much mis-information out there and I think TPTB want us to think they have more power over us than they really do.

But really, in order not to be fooled, this would be why recognizing the true Ark is so important and having complete and utter faith in God. 

Maybe I should be writing this in the other forum...if I can remember my PW.
I totally get what you're saying! and I think you have a good point here!! Interesting observation!  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: SimPattyK on May 27, 2012, 05:51:37 PM
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Nobody will be banned if they discuss and ask in a decent manner.

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I agree that this has nothing to do with the hoax, but it's best to keep your opinions to yourself on this forum, especially when it comes to TS, Front, or Back, because otherwise you will be banned.
Seriously?? Not true. Not true at all.
I can't believe peoples behavior in here lately...  :icon_rolleyes:
 I can just imagine Souza and Bec going like this all the time:
:Pulling_hair:
+1!!

Souza, Bec.... just hang in on there, guys... it's just a bad moment...it will pass!!
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Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Dontwalkaway on May 27, 2012, 06:12:36 PM
Souza and Bec.  Just know that we love and appreciate all you do.  Before I found this website I was looking in a lot of different places.  This makes it so much easier.  Thank you so much for all your work.  I know it isn't easy. 

It's Pentecost today which is what sign 3 is talking about.  Today is also the last day of the Cannes festival.  A movie festival where some of the Jackson family went to (Prince,Paris,Blanket,Joe).  It seems important.  Any ideas ?  It seems like things are following the calendar regarding the feast/festivals. 

This one's for Souza   :bowdown:

This one's for Bec     :woohoo2:

TS/Front/Back/TS_Comments   :bearhug:




Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: SimPattyK on May 27, 2012, 06:54:09 PM
@Dontwalkaway you rule, girl! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/champion1.gif)
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: supermj4eva on May 27, 2012, 06:59:06 PM
Hey Guys.

Please no one Jump down my throat but I just have a question.

I have been here for a looooooong time, mostly reading but have done some posts also.


Not being a religious person, I find a lot of TS's posts difficult to understand, im not saying they are nothing to do with the Hoax, but its just difficult for me to bring it all together.

I want to see the connection and would be happy if someone could briefly explain it to me :)

Thanks guys.

Hope that doesn't sound too stupid.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on May 27, 2012, 07:01:01 PM
Think in a metaphorical sense and that might be helpful. For reference, I am an atheist.

Ps. Thank you @everyone for your unyielding support.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: supermj4eva on May 27, 2012, 07:06:21 PM
OK Bec Thank you!

All of the other stuff here for the years has been easy to understand, just not those ones, but thats probably becuase they are the most important I guess.

I will have another look over them and hopefuly I will see what I didnt before :)

With the L.O.V.E

xx
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Adi on May 27, 2012, 07:08:27 PM
Cheers TS....just finished reading. I liked reading this Sign as I understood it better. I'm looking forward to reading the other information you mentioned will be in Sign #4.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: paula-c on May 27, 2012, 07:27:35 PM
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The main purpose of this Sign #3—as the title indicates—is to show the parallel and importance of God’s voice at Mt. Sinai, and God’s voice at the end of the world.  Both of which, by the way, are directly related to the ark of the covenant!  At Sinai God spoke the Ten Commandments, and the ark was built shortly afterward to contain the Decalogue.  At the beginning of the seventh vial, which marks the end of Armageddon, God will speak once again.  His voice will come “from the throne” in heaven (Revelation 16:17; see Joel 3:16; Amos 1:2); and as we learned in Sign #1, the ark of the covenant is God’s throne.

Revelation 11:19, “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ARK of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 16:16-21, “And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.  And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the THRONE, saying, It is done.  And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.  And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.  And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.  And there fell upon men a great hail …” (see 6:12-17).


This is where I get, I don't want to say confused but maybe...nervous (?) because from what I've read about Project Blue Beam, this is one of the scenarios that they (TPTB) supposedly plan to create.  Re-create the revelations so people will be fooled by the anti-Christ so everyone will be ushered into a one world religion (the survivors I suppose) after the "messiah" is seen all over the world in the sky declaring the 'truth', using the great earthquake to provide 'evidence' of what this 'messiah' is saying.  It would appear they have the technology to create earthquakes.

So I'm wondering - is this really TPTB's plans OR do they want their supposed plans leaked onto the internet so that when God  arrives, people will question/doubt/mis-trust God's message?  Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I being paranoid here? There's so much mis-information out there and I think TPTB want us to think they have more power over us than they really do.

But really, in order not to be fooled, this would be why recognizing the true Ark is so important and having complete and utter faith in God. 

Maybe I should be writing this in the other forum...if I can remember my PW.
I totally get what you're saying! and I think you have a good point here!! Interesting observation!  :icon_e_wink:






It will be that the more we learn, the more we move away from of  the happiness that gives the ignorance
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Dontwalkaway on May 27, 2012, 07:42:12 PM
Supermj4eva,

You can send me a message with questions if you want.  I can give you some of my ideas and connections so far.  Just ideas.

SimPattyK, You're pretty darn awesome yourself     :beerchug:

 :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
 

Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: trublu on May 27, 2012, 08:31:54 PM
I have to say it's simply not true that we can't debate these things...

I have openly criticised TS and Front on several occasions and I have never even had a warning.

The reason being so because I did with respect and thought.

People who come here must at least bring something to us that we don't already know or have thought about..please....
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: BeTheChange on May 27, 2012, 09:24:07 PM
@TS...nice to see you back  :icon_razz:...and thanks again for the time and effort you put into bringing us this info.

I came across this vid (not sure if it's been posted here already or on the other site), but wanted to share it because it's  :affraid:.  I've done some research on Ron's claims, and this is by far the most convincing I've come across supporting his finds.  If it's been posted already, I apologize...I haven't seen it before.

The description I've found on another site says:

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Real Mount Sinai Confirmed by Bob Cornuke & Larry Williams

While many deny Ron Wyatt's 1984 discovery of the real Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia without actually examining the site themselves, Bob Cornuke and Larry Williams went and investigated in 1988, only to find that it is very likely the historical Mt. Sinai described in the Bible.

It's a google vid, so will have to post the link:
The Search for the Real Mount Sinai (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4305370740783955461&ei=9Q7ISdyGFoHI-Abm_vHaAQ&q=mount+sinai+found+in+saudi+arabia&hl=en&dur=3#)

Pretty interesting stuff....it all seems to fit.

I'll reread the Sign again tomorrow because I'm confused as far as the 'ark' that will be important in the 'end times'....maybe I'm missing something or just not understanding what TS is saying with this Sign.  I got the impression with the previous Signs that the ark that Ron found will be the 'one'....but now with this Sign, it sounds like it will be God's 'throne'/ark in heaven that will be of importance.  Or am I reading that wrong?

With L.O.V.E. always.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on May 28, 2012, 12:44:58 AM
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I really don't understand what this has to do with Michael.  This is about God and the bible.  Very confusing I think.  Michael loved his bible and his God, but I don't see him quoting all of this.
You were wondering about Souza’s harsh response and say you just had a question. But when I read your very first post, it is already negative, casting doubt on whether MJ would saying things about the Bible like this. You are NOT just confused and asking questions. Please try to be more friendly/positive in your posts and respectful. As we get to know you, you can express your opinions more, and receive a better reception. It takes a while to get to know what newcomers are about—we’ve had trolls and trouble-makers.

Welcome to the forum, and I look forward to your contributions to our investigations! :icon_e_smile:

Andrea
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This is where I get, I don't want to say confused but maybe...nervous (?) because from what I've read about Project Blue Beam, this is one of the scenarios that they (TPTB) supposedly plan to create.  Re-create the revelations so people will be fooled by the anti-Christ so everyone will be ushered into a one world religion (the survivors I suppose) after the "messiah" is seen all over the world in the sky declaring the 'truth', using the great earthquake to provide 'evidence' of what this 'messiah' is saying.  It would appear they have the technology to create earthquakes.

So I'm wondering - is this really TPTB's plans OR do they want their supposed plans leaked onto the internet so that when God  arrives, people will question/doubt/mis-trust God's message?  Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I being paranoid here?  There's so much mis-information out there and I think TPTB want us to think they have more power over us than they really do.

But really, in order not to be fooled, this would be why recognizing the true Ark is so important and having complete and utter faith in God.
Andrea, you are most definitely not paranoid! It’s like this is a chess game, and each side is anticipating their opponent’s moves ahead of time. It’s also so hard to know where illusion ends and reality starts, and lies end and truth starts. :)

SuperMJ4eva, I would say just keep reading all you can. Your question is quite general and involves a lot of information. Basically in TS’s earlier writing, which you should read, he said that the End of the World was one of many reasons why MJ is doing the ‘death hoax’.

TS  (Does someone know the post date since I saved it without that)
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Finally: is this hoax a prank, or a Thriller II reality movie, or an ARG, or a sting operation, or a Vendetta, or an NWO/EOW warning, or a wake-up call to the gullible public (don't believe everything in the media), etc--which is it?  And the answer is: all of the above!  It is something that people have never seen before, at least not the combination of these things and on this scale.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: GINAFELICIA on May 28, 2012, 12:53:10 AM
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Wow..this is unbelievable.. Your right, I never posted before now, and believe me I won't ever again, if this is how people are treated.  No wonder so many people have left.  Why are you so nasty? to someone you don't even know?

Ask your 'buddy' Scream. Goodbye.
LOL
sorry I couldn't help it
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: supermj4eva on May 28, 2012, 01:28:26 AM
Hey thanks MJ on Mind also for taking the time to try and help lol.

Oh ok so now I think I understand a bit better about the TS stuff, it connects to the possibility of MJ wanting to warn us about the end of the world etc. which he has done on numerous occasions and said in This Is it "we have 4 years to get it right"

Well then I can look with a new eye now I can see the connection Thanks.

Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MissG on May 28, 2012, 03:06:22 AM
I didn´t get this post either. I am not sure if it´s on the EOW line or the Archaeology line.

@TS, what do you want to address, for real?

Seems to me that by proving right Wyatts theories and archaeology would there be proof of what? God? Noas ark? Revelation of the real and original scriptures? What?

Wyatt said that Jesus "blood" , as analized in laboratory - lack some chromosomes making him "special", may be of alien nature.

If some catastrophe happens it will happen for the natural curse of earth. It happened as part of evolution in the past, as the dinos were extinguished, before and after the ice age when earth changed climate, plagues and sickness leading to mass deaths of populations of humans and other animals leading to animals being extinguished.

We all know how terrible the climate is today and how many trees are being chopped contributing to both, lack of oxygen and less stable ground.

Many wars have happen trying to prove that God exists, the willing of God and the praise to "it".

Also, why the map used? Is it to show who "the chosen ones" would be, or?

I just don´t get what you want to say this time, TS.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: jono on May 28, 2012, 04:13:42 AM
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I didn´t get this post either. I am not sure if it´s on the EOW line or the Archaeology line.

@TS, what do you want to address, for real?

Seems to me that by proving right Wyatts theories and archaeology would there be proof of what? God? Noas ark? Revelation of the real and original scriptures? What?

Wyatt said that Jesus "blood" , as analized in laboratory - lack some chromosomes making him "special", may be of alien nature.

If some catastrophe happens it will happen for the natural curse of earth. It happened as part of evolution in the past, as the dinos were extinguished, before and after the ice age when earth changed climate, plagues and sickness leading to mass deaths of populations of humans and other animals leading to animals being extinguished.

We all know how terrible the climate is today and how many trees are being chopped contributing to both, lack of oxygen and less stable ground.

Many wars have happen trying to prove that God exists, the willing of God and the praise to "it".

Also, why the map used? Is it to show who "the chosen ones" would be, or?

I just don´t get what you want to say this time, TS.

I believe this is all about proving that the historical God really does exist and this connects with the EOW scenario as it is predicted in the bible.

If you are an atheist, just like bec said, it is probably easier to just approach this subject in a metaphorical way:

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Think in a metaphorical sense and that might be helpful.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: 2good2btrue on May 28, 2012, 06:56:11 AM
The whole biblical theme started with THIS IS IT...where we came to the conclusion that the inner letters spelt "ISIS"...

Then we saw the memorial which showed us many stars....,...."it was made very clear to us" that "Soon and Very soon, we are going to see the KING"
It was very similar to an egyptian burial, gold coffin.....which then was conveniently supported by

a dawn burial service which seemed to  face east, and it took place exactly 70 days after his death...!!

So biblical and historical.... ;)

The Pyramid Texts, however, as well as later funerary texts, make it clear that the ideal time and place of ‘rebirth’ was in the eastern horizon at the time of the so-called heliacal (dawn) rising of the star Sirius (Sothis), the latter identified to Isis, mythological and astral mother of the Kings of Egypt. The heliacal rising of Sirius, which was witnessed in the eastern sky at dawn, was an event that took place some 70 days after the star had been seen for the last time in the western horizon at sunset (known as the Heliacal Setting). Utterance 302 of the Pyramid Texts, which is found on the north face of Unas' Pyramid, provides a link that may have existed between the heliacal rising of Sirius and Ursa Major:

“The sky is clear, Sothis lives, I am a living one, the son of Sothis, and the two Enneads have cleansed themselves for me in Ursa Major, the Imperishable. My house in the sky will not perish, my throne on earth will not be destroyed, for men hide, the gods fly away. Sothis has caused me to fly up to the sky in the company of my Brethren…”  

Michael Jackson Memorial: Casket brought out - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=Bl6oTPhOCD4&NR=1)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=Bl6oTPhOCD4&NR=1[/youtube]
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Andrea on May 28, 2012, 08:01:58 AM
Interesting post 2good. 

The 70 days reminded me that I was born 70 days after Ron Wyatt discovered the Ark of the covenant. 
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on May 28, 2012, 09:42:20 AM
Miss G:
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Wyatt said that Jesus "blood" , as analized in laboratory - lack some chromosomes making him "special", may be of alien nature.

Ooo! I just got a little thrill. Considering what we were just discussing re: ancient aliens theory. I find this theory extremely plausible. Meanwhile, I've been going nuts researching it in the background here and you just brought it back full circle to the hoax. Something else to consider/look into. Thanks, Miss G.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on May 28, 2012, 10:30:13 AM
Thanks TS.  :th_bravo:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Andrea on May 28, 2012, 11:18:05 AM
In my opinion, if the blood on the ark that Wyatt found was in fact Jesus' blood from the actual ark then it shows Jesus was actually the Son of God.  Because of the 24 chromosomes - 23 from Mary and the Y chromosome from God, instead of the normal 46.

I don't know what to think about ancient alien stuff to be honest.  I truly think that people thousands of years ago had a lot more knowledge at their disposal and used it, whereas now so much valuable information is withheld from us, to keep us suppressed.  Maybe some things that happened then that we can't explain now, was more common knowledge back then.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: a18wheelslady on May 28, 2012, 12:24:26 PM
Welcome back  TS  Missed You

I'm on my way to read with my cup of coffee next to me.
all out of donuts lol.

Thank you so much for the new post hugsssssssssssssssssssssss

Love You More
 :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Dontwalkaway on May 28, 2012, 01:08:38 PM
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Miss G:
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Wyatt said that Jesus "blood" , as analized in laboratory - lack some chromosomes making him "special", may be of alien nature.

Ooo! I just got a little thrill. Considering what we were just discussing re: ancient aliens theory. I find this theory extremely plausible. Meanwhile, I've been going nuts researching it in the background here and you just brought it back full circle to the hoax. Something else to consider/look into. Thanks, Miss G.

Yes, I was thinking about that blood also.  The only thing I found was about the Nephilim, and the Giants.  The bible talks about the sons of god (angels) who mated with the daughters of men.  They produced these hybrid offspring who were evil.  They might have been Giant.  That's why I was having doubts about the blood being Christ's.  It reminded me of these hybrids. I don't really know.  There was a discussion about Jesus being 100% man and also 100% divine and not half and half.  There are videos and discussion on the sister site, Michael's Army of Love.  The videos about the Nephilim and the Giants are really interesting.  Also, the book of Enoch talks about this. 
I really don't know.  Maybe there is a way for someone to be half alien ???  Maybe they're not all evil, who knows ?  So far, I only read about the evil hybrid ones.   Like you said so much is hidden from us that we don't know. I'll just "keep watchin".

 
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: angel on May 28, 2012, 02:18:11 PM
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I really don't understand what this has to do with Michael.  This is about God and the bible.  Very confusing I think.  Michael loved his bible and his God, but I don't see him quoting all of this.
You were wondering about Souza’s harsh response and say you just had a question. But when I read your very first post, it is already negative, casting doubt on whether MJ would saying things about the Bible like this. You are NOT just confused and asking questions. Please try to be more friendly/positive in your posts and respectful. As we get to know you, you can express your opinions more, and receive a better reception. It takes a while to get to know what newcomers are about—we’ve had trolls and trouble-makers.

Welcome to the forum, and I look forward to your contributions to our investigations! :icon_e_smile:

Andrea
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This is where I get, I don't want to say confused but maybe...nervous (?) because from what I've read about Project Blue Beam, this is one of the scenarios that they (TPTB) supposedly plan to create.  Re-create the revelations so people will be fooled by the anti-Christ so everyone will be ushered into a one world religion (the survivors I suppose) after the "messiah" is seen all over the world in the sky declaring the 'truth', using the great earthquake to provide 'evidence' of what this 'messiah' is saying.  It would appear they have the technology to create earthquakes.

So I'm wondering - is this really TPTB's plans OR do they want their supposed plans leaked onto the internet so that when God  arrives, people will question/doubt/mis-trust God's message?  Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I being paranoid here?  There's so much mis-information out there and I think TPTB want us to think they have more power over us than they really do.

But really, in order not to be fooled, this would be why recognizing the true Ark is so important and having complete and utter faith in God.
Andrea, you are most definitely not paranoid! It’s like this is a chess game, and each side is anticipating their opponent’s moves ahead of time. It’s also so hard to know where illusion ends and reality starts, and lies end and truth starts. :)

SuperMJ4eva, I would say just keep reading all you can. Your question is quite general and involves a lot of information. Basically in TS’s earlier writing, which you should read, he said that the End of the World was one of many reasons why MJ is doing the ‘death hoax’.

TS  (Does someone know the post date since I saved it without that)
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Finally: is this hoax a prank, or a Thriller II reality movie, or an ARG, or a sting operation, or a Vendetta, or an NWO/EOW warning, or a wake-up call to the gullible public (don't believe everything in the media), etc--which is it?  And the answer is: all of the above!  It is something that people have never seen before, at least not the combination of these things and on this scale.


TS_comments posted this on March 17, 2011.  (Pg. 16 of TIAI March 9, 2011, reply # 396)
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on May 28, 2012, 03:47:32 PM
I'm also happy that you post again TS, i have to search my bible to read in my own language.

Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: GodhaschosenMJ on May 28, 2012, 05:52:34 PM
Hello TS and Hoax family! I haven't been on the forum for a long time! Our family moved April 1st and our church had a month long seminar at the same time as our moving! Plus being involved in an extensive email study! Its been crazy, then just as things were settling down, my husband relapsed on drugs and lost his job, spent way too much money and I'm dealing with anger issues now!! Pray for us please! I'm no better than my husband, I went vegan AGAIN the first of January, and I relapsed end of March on some cheese from the food bank!! I went down hill after that! So I tell you all this to let you know I'm NOW at my friends house getting ready to do a 10 day cleanse program. This will be my first time to do a cleanse! So I expect to have more time to read and respond on the forum for the next 10 days! Sorry this is off topic, but I wanted my TIAI family to know what happened to me!  :bearhug: to everyone!
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: paula-c on May 28, 2012, 07:06:07 PM
In internet there are many pages or blogs that support the discoveries of Wyatt, this is one of she with illustrations.

The crossing of the Red Sea
Ronald Eldon Wyatt (1933 - August 4, 1999) was an archaeologist self-taught and without any formal training in the discipline, who however claimed to have found many sites and significant biblical artifacts. We believe that his discoveries were some inspired by Dio, despite the controversy that many have raised.After researching the route that the Israelites could have been in the exodus of Egypt, Ron Wyatt found that the biblical description matches perfectly with a deep ravine called Wadi Watir. The book of exodus explains how God led the sons of Israel, "Dios no took by the way of the land of the Philistines, which was nearby,...""Why did God that the people give a detour on the way of the wilderness of the Red Sea" (Exodus 13, 18). Here we find a wide, open area of the desert. Then in exodus 14:1, 2 God told them that they should give the return alejandose of the road, which found Ron and led him to a ravine known today as Wadi Watir. The Bible records the reaction of Pharaoh when informed that they had strayed from the path: "Locked up are on Earth;" "the desert has locked them," (exodus 14: 3) Wadi Watir is a Canyon deep long that fits this description perfectly.


Site map of the crossing of the Red Sea and satellite photography of the site of the crossing

(http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo01.JPG)    (http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo02.JPG)













Traditionally it is believed that the crossing of the Red Sea occurred in the Gulf of Suez. However, there no mountains. The area is completely flat, and not consistent with the biblical description. The Gulf of Suez, became a very popular site because it is traditionally believed that Mount Sinai is in the Sinai Peninsula. Again the Bible tells us something different in Galatians 4: 25,"The Mount Sinai in Arabia".After several miles Wadi Watir desenboca in a large area of beach, on the western coast of the Gulf of Aqaba. The only area of beach along the Gulf of Aqaba, would have been large enough to accommodate approximately two million people and their flocks. The Israelites were prevented travel to the North by the presence of an Egyptian military fortress. Indeed, to the North of the mouth of Wadi Watir we find an ancient fortress, this could be the place mentioned in the Bible as Migdol, (exodus 14: 2). South mountains stretching down to the sea, preventing thus any another step further. They could of course not surround and return on its steps because the Egyptian army persecuted. God had brought to a point where only the could be spared them, "Do not be afraid;" stay strong and see the salvation of Jehovah will give you today, because the Egyptians today had seen, not the volverais to never see more... and made Lord sea withdrew through a strong East wind that blew all that night. So dried up the sea and the waters were divided. "Then the children of Israel entered in the middle of the sea, dry, and the waters were a wall on your right and on your left." (Exodus 11, 21, 22).


The crossing of the Red Sea and Fort area north of Wadi Watir

(http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo03.JPG) (http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo04.JPG)





Ron found a column down on the coast. On the Saudi side found another exactly like with an inscription in ancient Hebrew that says, "MIZRAIM (Egypt), SALOMON, EDOM, death, PHARAOH, Moses, YAHWEH." He believes that they were erected by Solomon to commemorate the crossing of the Red Sea. Entries on the column that was found in Tomb on the coast had been eroded. The authorities have put it in concrete.

The pillar that erigyius King Salomon at the site where crossed in Red Sea

(http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo05.JPG) (http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo06.JPG)














Diving on the bottom of the sea, in 1978, Ron Wyatt and his two sons found and photographed numerous pieces of carriages embedded by the coral. Since then several incursions of diving have revealed more and more evidence. One of their findings included a wheel of carriage of eight rays, which led Ron to the director of Dr. Nassif Mohammed Hassan, Egyptian Antiquities. After examining immediately said that dynasty, belonged to the tenth eighth dating the exodus in 1446 BC. When asked how knew it Dr. Hassan explained that the eight rays wheel was used only during this period, the time of Ramses II and Tutmoses (Moises). Boxes of human skeletons, skeletons of horse carriages, wheels with four, six and eight rays, everything remain as a silent testimony to the miracle of the Division of the Red Sea.

Human femur shaft and wheel marine coral-encrusted wheel and a wheel of eight rays

(http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo07.JPG)  (http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo08.JPG)











(http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo09.JPG)













(http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo11.JPG)   (http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo15.JPG)













(http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo16.JPG)











Egyptian chariot perfectly preserved in a Museum, only the axis of metal left when wood is corrupted

(http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo17.JPG)  (http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo18.JPG)









Wheel found in the side of Saudi Arabia

(http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo19.JPG)








Perhaps most amazing of all, is the presence of a natural bridge under water. Along the Gulf of Aqaba, the depths reach an average of 1500 m and the Egyptian coast descends to that depth in a slope of about 45 degrees. If the Israelites had tried to cross anywhere else along the Gulf of Aquaba would have had to deal with a very steep slope. With all its animals and chariots, the task would have been virtually impossible. Only here, on the shores of Nuweiba, there is a "path" downward on a gradual slope of 6 degrees, at a depth of only 100 meters. The Bible describes as "which opens the sea road and trail in the rushing waters" (Isaiah 43: 16, 17) the distance from Nuweiba to Saudi Arabia is about 13 km. And the width of the natural bridge under water is estimated to be 900 meters.


Map of the bridge under the sea and the natural bridge diagram

(http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo20.JPG)  (http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo21.JPG)












Natural bridge low water and the area satellite photography

(http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo22.JPG)









Aaron Sen has dived numerous times on this site, and can testiguar the veracity of the discovery. In March 1998, he photographed the remains of a carriage of four-spoke wheel, and he has released human bones in which there are "dozens" scattered in the sea bed. A bone was taken to the Department of osteology at Stockholm University, to be analyzed, showing that it's a human right femur of the male. Although no has been able to be dated, it obviously comes from ancient times. The man's height is estimated that it was between 165 and 170 cm, and the bones had been replaced by minerals. Small amounts of coral grew about him replacing mineral. Aaron has been the slope South of the natural bridge under water. It has also seen a road that the Israelites would have cleared to cross the Red Sea, driving from the shore, descending into the sea. The Israelites would have had to remove the stones and rocks on the sides to allow access for their cars.

The beach easily could accommodate 2 million people. Picture of the road between mountains

(http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo23.JPG) (http://www.nuevoamanecer.cl/biblia/misterios/imagenes/cruce_mar_rojo24.JPG)














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Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Andrea on May 28, 2012, 08:11:39 PM
That info is VERY interesting Paula.  The more I learn about Ron Wyatt, the more legit he seems as there is physical evidence to back him up.  And it would also seem that God helped/allowed Ron to make all his findings, that he was chosen.

I still want to know if Michael ever knew Ron.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on May 29, 2012, 02:15:32 AM
Angel, thanks for the TS quote source!

GodhaschosenMJ,  may God bless you and your husband, and give you the health you long for!

Andrea
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That info is VERY interesting Paula.  The more I learn about Ron Wyatt, the more legit he seems as there is physical evidence to back him up.  And it would also seem that God helped/allowed Ron to make all his findings, that he was chosen.

I still want to know if Michael ever knew Ron.

I get this feeling there was some contact, by this statement from The Sign.
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God wants us to see the ark by faith. But not blind faith, gullibly believing everything that anyone tells us; no, we should have intelligent faith that is based upon plenty of evidence. Also, video of the ark and the tables of stone will be made public in the near future, shortly after the mark of the beast law is passed.

How else would he know about this video, when and what?

And here's my post in the Army of Love, where I compare the dates of Ron's discoveries and MJ doing Thriller, which I wonder about.
http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=56.msg271#msg271 (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=56.msg271#msg271)

If as The Sign says, that God specially chose Ron Wyatt for this end time purpose, did God also choose MJ for this end time purpose?
I believe, yes!
 :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MissG on May 29, 2012, 02:26:00 AM
Michael is a rich man. He could have financed Wyatt and his project and he could have made it public when he was "alive". Why now out of the sudden? Nah, I don´t see Michael in this.

However, finding the old tablets and reading them is something I really would like to do. Imagine the shock if those tablets tell a total different set of rules, moral, laws and values.
If the tablets are made of stone, they should be somewhere if never destroyed. If they were made of wood, well, say bye bye to them.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: nick_93 on May 29, 2012, 03:32:24 AM
Nice to see you again TS!

Not being highly religious myself hence struggling a little bit with the religious themes/connections, I like your point, bec, of looking at metaphorically. It might make more sense to me if I approach that way. So thanks for that! :)
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: willddoMJ on May 29, 2012, 05:34:24 AM
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I really don't understand what this has to do with Michael.  This is about God and the bible.  Very confusing I think.  Michael loved his bible and his God, but I don't see him quoting all of this.

There we go again. Please check the forum it was posted on. You are a new?? member, so maybe you should first introduce yourself before you start bitching about what is discussed on here. You just signed up, you knew where you signed up for. If you are again someone only here to discredit members here or the forum in general, know that I will kick you out in a heartbeat. I'm done with the BS.


I feel a better response may of been provided for the Its all for Love. When got a big page of information sitting there, and then go read other forum posts, it can really be quite confusing no matter how many times one may read. If indeed, she is 65 year old, thing's aren't always clear as day.  I'm sure we all seen worser people come through this forum. Where all here for one purpose, and  that is to learn, and to understand. Helping each other to understand, or re-directing people to existing threads within forum may help mis-understandings, or confusion regarding the TS topic.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Adi on May 29, 2012, 06:13:18 AM
I think I am a bit slow but @MJonmind.....I have just realised your signature picture of MJ throwing out the V sign reflects the description by TS of the Sinai Peninsula:

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Let’s first notice some of the places on this map; then the things discussed below will be much easier to follow.  The main body of water is the Red Sea (mostly off the map); and there are two fingers, also known as the Gulf of Suez (left finger) and the Gulf of Aqaba (right finger).  Egypt is to the left of Suez, and Saudi Arabia is to the right of Aqaba.  The triangle area of land between the fingers is called the Sinai Peninsula; the name may come from the fact that Mt. Sinai has traditionally been located in the southern part of this peninsula.  In the above map, however, you will notice “mount Sinai in Arabia” (Galatians 4:25).

Michael has thrown out this V sign now for a very very long time......
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on May 29, 2012, 09:55:27 AM
@Adi, yes "between the fingers" caught my eye while reading. I thought it was an interesting way of describing the land in the map. Now that you mention it, it does fit exactly the V sign expressed famously by MJ.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Adi on May 29, 2012, 10:00:16 AM
^^^^^ and Andrea's signature picture above showing it  :icon_cool:

@bec...yep caught my attention too when I read it a second time (lol)
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: AKHTONI on May 29, 2012, 10:03:56 AM
glad you are back TS

thanks  :)
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: rswilley2011 on May 29, 2012, 11:38:20 AM
NOTE: I have no idea where to post this, so, if it needs to be posted somewhere else, feel free to move it :)

In Sign 3, TS mentioned Nuweiba. For some reason, I was compelled to look up the gematria value of it.

What I found was the different words that have the same value. One such phrase was: Seven Eight Nine Nine.

This instantly made me think of the date 7-8-99, or July 8th 1999.

I began looking into what happened this day. What I found was interesting.

The book "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" was released on this very day. Here is a brief synopsis of what happens in this book (interesting things are bolded):

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Harry ends another insufferable summer at the Dursleys and hears about an escaped murderer, Sirius Black, in the Muggle news.

The wizarding world is also buzzing about the infamous Sirius, who had been held at Azkaban, a maximum-security prison for those who have committed severe crimes.

Mr. Weasley warns Harry that Sirius is after him. At Hogwarts, Dumbledore informs students that the school will be guarded by the dreaded Dementors, Azkaban guards who can suck the souls out of wizards.

Hermione exhibits strange behavior and seems to be enrolled in every single class, even those with conflicting times. Harry, Hermione and Ron enroll in Professor Trelawny's Divination class and Hagrid's Care of Magical Creatures class. Harry loses the first Quidditch match of the season when Dementors storm the field in search of Sirius.

When he learns that Sirius betrayed his parents and are to blame for their death, Harry vows to kill him. But Harry soon discovers that Peter Pettigrew — once a good friend to Harry's parents and Sirius — was in fact responsible for betraying the Potters' whereabouts to Voldemort. Sirius, it turns out, is actually Harry's godfather.

The Dementors find Sirius and are about to suck his soul when Hermione magically turns back time. Harry then conjures a powerful Patronus charm to save Sirius. Still a wanted wizard, Sirius goes into hiding, and Harry sadly returns to the Dursleys.

As you can see from the bolded parts, the story of Sirius Black is very similar to the story of how Michael was blamed for crimes he didn't commit...and it was later proved that he didn't, in fact, commit the crimes. In fact, Michael went sort of off the grid after being found innocent.

I also felt like looking up the gematria value for Sirius Black...and I found out that, in English gematria, Sirius Black has the same value as MICHAEL JACKSON!

This was just one of the many interesting things I always find. Most likely doesn't mean anything, but I find it very interesting.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: diggyon on May 29, 2012, 01:39:23 PM
Hmmm... sounds interesting...
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: hopi on May 30, 2012, 03:24:39 AM
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In my opinion, if the blood on the ark that Wyatt found was in fact Jesus' blood from the actual ark then it shows Jesus was actually the Son of God.  Because of the 24 chromosomes - 23 from Mary and the Y chromosome from God, instead of the normal 46.

I don't know what to think about ancient alien stuff to be honest.  I truly think that people thousands of years ago had a lot more knowledge at their disposal and used it, whereas now so much valuable information is withheld from us, to keep us suppressed.  Maybe some things that happened then that we can't explain now, was more common knowledge back then.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MissG on May 30, 2012, 03:13:41 PM
From TS,

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"animals have “flesh”, but they do not have moral intelligence like God or even mankind.  Therefore, animals can’t learn to have faith in God and be tested on their faith, etc.  God knows this, and He also knows that all suffering is the result of sin—which is not His fault.  So God may at times allow animals to suffer, in order to help bring man to his senses, and help save mankind (see Matthew 10:29-31; Luke 12:6,7).  If the Egyptian army had not been drowned, there would be little scientific proof today that the Red Sea crossing actually occurred.  Those horses died to help save mankind, especially those of us living at the end of the world—let us therefore take heed to the warning, and not allow those horses to have died in vain!"

I get this part like a metaphor of what has been discussed lately regarding the holocaust or other issues, like the death penalty (propofol were the latest news)

We gained consciousness a posteriori for we weren´t born knowing anything.
it is time to learn from past mistakes and do not let that to happen. We get the message. once again, I believe that this has nothing to do with God but with men. Men do, men act. God is a concept created by men as well.

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"Not only was there fire on the mountain, which “burned” it, but those last two verses even describe it as melting (like wax)"

Another way to explain a volcanic activity?
Fire on top of the mountain---> active volcano
Melting like wax---> lava

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"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the THRONE, saying, It is done."

Here you are pointing to alien nature of God. the ark is in heaven and will get back from heaven.  :over-react-smiley:

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"But God has promised that His faithful followers will survive; and far more than survive, they will live forever in the new earth which He will create once again—where there will be no more sorrow, pain, or death for all eternity (see Revelation 21:4)."

Live to eternity? who wants that?
If something is about to happen in that magnitude you talk about, the whole human race is done. All of us. No exception. Believers or not believers we all are going to feed the flowers sooner or later.

Why to stress up? I can walk tomorrow in the street and a pot full of roses can fall down from a balcony landing on my head.

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"God loves all people of all religions; and nobody is saved or lost merely because of what religion they have joined.  Nevertheless, understanding the truth—especially the truth about these supernatural events from God—helps to increase our faith, which is certainly needed for those facing the battle of Armageddon at the end of the world."

Believing in God will release the pain for those in need for super natural support, will make the suffering easier in dark times, but it will be pure and plain suffering at the end, if anything may happen.
 :abouttime:

TS, I know this update has been posted in the Army of Love site, but you have been a member of this hoax forum since long ago, so I must ask you:
why have you jumped from detailed dissection of MJ´s pics to this kind of Godly talk?

I mean, I get your point man. You are religious, believe in the nature of God and the EOW and want us to convert in to believing in God because you do believe that NOW is about to come. Still I don´t understand why are we, MJ hoaxers, the "target" to this posts. What has Michael to do in all this equation?

Do you post in other fan forums as well?
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Dontwalkaway on May 30, 2012, 04:34:46 PM
Miss G

You said, What does Michael have to do in all this equation ?

He has everything to do with it if you believe he is "the one, the chosen one, the annointed one, the saviour, the messiah, the elected one, the leader to flip the pyramid upside down, the one to destroy the matrix like Neo", the archangel, prophet, man coming on a white horse with a sword,son of man,light of the world,lamb of god ............etc.

It has everything to do with it if you take the bible prophecies and the end of the world situation seriously.  Current events in the world are getting worse by the second.  It's all connected to the global conspiracy.  Maybe we are some of the ones who are first in line to start fighting this and spreading information ?  It has to start somewhere.   

I am not saying that you have to believe in God or the bible or anything.  Everyone has their own opinion.  That's just my own opinion.   

Love You  All 


Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: paula-c on May 30, 2012, 08:56:27 PM
The Blackened Peak of the REAL Mount Sinai
found by Ron Wyatt


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=K-eSRcr9CWw[/youtube]











Revealing God's Treasure - Mt. Sinai - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=K-eSRcr9CWw)
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on May 30, 2012, 11:52:20 PM
@Miss G: the part about the chariot horses and animal suffering. I challenged TS many months ago about why God would send so many innocent horses to their death when such a benevolent god could easily spare their lives AND let the Israelites go free by causing the horses to be spooked or balk and ignore their drivers or deep mud they could not get through, something, to prevent them from going into the sea and be drowned, because what a horrible way to die for innocents. Why would a God of love do such a thing? So I took this part of Sign 3 as addressing this challenge. Just my take on that portion if it is helpful.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: GINAFELICIA on May 31, 2012, 01:10:05 AM
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Live to eternity? who wants that?
If something is about to happen in that magnitude you talk about, the whole human race is done. All of us. No exception. Believers or not believers we all are going to feed the flowers sooner or later.

Why to stress up? I can walk tomorrow in the street and a pot full of roses can fall down from a balcony landing on my head.
But it's not about our physical body. Of course it is going to die.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on May 31, 2012, 01:28:01 AM
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@Miss G: the part about the chariot horses and animal suffering. I challenged TS many months ago about why God would send so many innocent horses to their death when such a benevolent god could easily spare their lives AND let the Israelites go free by causing the horses to be spooked or balk and ignore their drivers or deep mud they could not get through, something, to prevent them from going into the sea and be drowned, because what a horrible way to die for innocents. Why would a God of love do such a thing? So I took this part of Sign 3 as addressing this challenge. Just my take on that portion if it is helpful.
Here is your post.  I love how he responded to your sincere question in his Sign! He said God chose to use the horses' deaths as testimony for the future--now!

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I don't buy it. A god who is powerful enough to turn the rivers to blood and shut out the entire sun need not cause suffering of innocents to get his point across. It makes no sense.

The horses are as much slaves as the Israelites were. There's no need to make them suffer to get a point across. Drowning is not a quick and painless death. The horses were damned if they did (cruel, suffering death) and damned if they didn't (whippings).

An all powerful god could have caused the banks and shores of the river to be so muddy that the horses could not make it through and the Egyptians never could have followed the Israelites into the sea floor. He could have caused the horses to spook terribly, refusing to go forward, causing them to suffer the whippings yet to no avail. He could have caused their instincts to override their training and made them frozen in their tracks or wheel and bolt back for home. God could have caused them to suffer blindness so they could not see to chase the Israelites. So many other options besides cruel, suffering death for these horses... not to mention the soldiers who were again, just following orders.

Horrible.

And this is reason #673259734608762 why I am an atheist.
TIAI January 7 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=21911.msg383272#msg383272)
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on May 31, 2012, 02:02:20 AM
Thanks MJonmind!

I was charmed to see he not only read the replies all these months, but also took the time to incorporate a reply into a future Sign. 
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on May 31, 2012, 06:12:42 AM
TS is right about the horses deaths.

in addition, we must remember that yes god is love, but he is also (equally) three other attributes. power, wisdom and justice. (as per the bible, if one is so inclined)

therefore his actions call upon balancing amongst the four attributes equally.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on May 31, 2012, 12:21:56 PM
Probably doesn't mean a thing but it's an odd coincidence, TS and Front's pic of the exodus map showed up in the news today as a thumbnail for an article about American's kidnapped and then released in Egypt. It was posted for about 5 minutes and then Yahoo pulled it down. I was able to screen capture it because it caught my eye and made me go "huh"... then when it got pulled down it made me go "huh?" I can't find a parallel in the article or anything relevant to the hoax, just that pic. Again, probably means nothing, I just found it odd.

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/fronttspic.jpg)
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on May 31, 2012, 12:26:17 PM
i too am now seeing the map and MJ fingers everywhere since its been pointed out in this thread. lol. i think its coincidence in my case... its a distinct shape and catches my eye
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on May 31, 2012, 12:44:57 PM
Well yeah but it's been floating around TS n Front's posts since last fall and I haven't noticed it anywhere else, but eh, like I said, just a coincidence.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: GINAFELICIA on May 31, 2012, 01:23:53 PM
The 2 gulfs make a V form...ain't that strange
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: GINAFELICIA on June 01, 2012, 11:42:37 AM
I forgot to thank you TS for quoting the Psalm 91 (90 in my Bible, I don't understand why :icon_e_confused:)
Anyway, it is with me all the time...and I would recommend it to all who feel discouraged. I've received it on a little card when in hospital last year and from that moment on is was with me all the time.
Exactly what is needed for the ones who fear the EOW or any other stressful circumstance in their lives.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on June 01, 2012, 01:27:56 PM
Yes, it's fascinating how the fun/silly of the hoax plays into the very heavy serious aspects of history/future. Kinda blows my mind, but at the same time I keep going nah...it simply can't be...

But if history is going to change in some dramatic way for the better, there has to be some major characters--why not MJ? Hopefully it's not another Stalin, Hitler, Saddam Hussein-type.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on June 04, 2012, 05:24:31 PM
(http://www.spiritsinpeace.com/images/Personal%20Prayer.R.V.jpg)

Hi TS-

I saw your post the day it went up but I had to get on an airplane back to Portland from Vegas, so I didn't get a chance to really read and absorb the info until now. I am only commenting on how I am feeling right now but I will be back after more thought.

Thank you for being consistant.  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: marumjj on June 04, 2012, 07:13:54 PM
Thanks TS for his post, had not been read before. I personally at this time is difficult to relate to religion, I am Christian, but I'm debugging my heart and absorbing so much pain over the death of a very young family. Maybe I can meet again with the Bible, I value your posts and your presence here.

 :bearhug:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on June 04, 2012, 08:18:51 PM
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The main purpose of this Sign #3—as the title indicates—is to show the parallel and importance of God’s voice at Mt. Sinai, and God’s voice at the end of the world.  Both of which, by the way, are directly related to the ark of the covenant!  At Sinai God spoke the Ten Commandments, and the ark was built shortly afterward to contain the Decalogue.  At the beginning of the seventh vial, which marks the end of Armageddon, God will speak once again.  His voice will come “from the throne” in heaven (Revelation 16:17; see Joel 3:16; Amos 1:2); and as we learned in Sign #1, the ark of the covenant is God’s throne.

Revelation 11:19, “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ARK of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 16:16-21, “And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.  And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the THRONE, saying, It is done.  And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.  And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.  And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.  And there fell upon men a great hail …” (see 6:12-17).


This is where I get, I don't want to say confused but maybe...nervous (?) because from what I've read about Project Blue Beam, this is one of the scenarios that they (TPTB) supposedly plan to create.  Re-create the revelations so people will be fooled by the anti-Christ so everyone will be ushered into a one world religion (the survivors I suppose) after the "messiah" is seen all over the world in the sky declaring the 'truth', using the great earthquake to provide 'evidence' of what this 'messiah' is saying.  It would appear they have the technology to create earthquakes.

So I'm wondering - is this really TPTB's plans OR do they want their supposed plans leaked onto the internet so that when God  arrives, people will question/doubt/mis-trust God's message?  Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I being paranoid here?   There's so much mis-information out there and I think TPTB want us to think they have more power over us than they really do.

But really, in order not to be fooled, this would be why recognizing the true Ark is so important and having complete and utter faith in God. 

Maybe I should be writing this in the other forum...if I can remember my PW.

Guillotines on U.S. Soil! (http://www.remnantofgod.org/guillotines.htm) <<<This website is most definetly a little scary but the answer below that I quoted imo pretty much answers your question. I know different situation regarding your thoughts about TPTB but imo not really different when it comes to the whole of what the EOW/NWO entails.

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The prophecy declares that some WILL be killed by guillotine, and that is what must occur. So, the enemy will eventually figure out ways to get this done. NOT because they believe the prophecy, and want to do as the Almighty declares in that prophecy. Not at all! The fact is, the Lord SAW this end result from the beginning and decided to tell us in advance in His prophetic Word. The wicked are merely doing what the Almighty already saw them do long ago. In other words, They WILL do it! Because our Lord SAW them do it!

I wrote about (in TIAI January 21 thread) what I am posting now. Here is the link to that if your interested. TIAI January 21 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22042.msg387410#msg387410) Scroll to the bottom of my comment and you will see even then I was reluctant to post this info but now it is getting to the point of people needing to be made aware of these things in order to prepare for it.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: paula-c on June 04, 2012, 08:30:12 PM
Im_convincedmjalive i was waiting for your post.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Andrea on June 04, 2012, 09:04:28 PM
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The main purpose of this Sign #3—as the title indicates—is to show the parallel and importance of God’s voice at Mt. Sinai, and God’s voice at the end of the world.  Both of which, by the way, are directly related to the ark of the covenant!  At Sinai God spoke the Ten Commandments, and the ark was built shortly afterward to contain the Decalogue.  At the beginning of the seventh vial, which marks the end of Armageddon, God will speak once again.  His voice will come “from the throne” in heaven (Revelation 16:17; see Joel 3:16; Amos 1:2); and as we learned in Sign #1, the ark of the covenant is God’s throne.

Revelation 11:19, “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ARK of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 16:16-21, “And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.  And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the THRONE, saying, It is done.  And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.  And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.  And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.  And there fell upon men a great hail …” (see 6:12-17).


This is where I get, I don't want to say confused but maybe...nervous (?) because from what I've read about Project Blue Beam, this is one of the scenarios that they (TPTB) supposedly plan to create.  Re-create the revelations so people will be fooled by the anti-Christ so everyone will be ushered into a one world religion (the survivors I suppose) after the "messiah" is seen all over the world in the sky declaring the 'truth', using the great earthquake to provide 'evidence' of what this 'messiah' is saying.  It would appear they have the technology to create earthquakes.

So I'm wondering - is this really TPTB's plans OR do they want their supposed plans leaked onto the internet so that when God  arrives, people will question/doubt/mis-trust God's message?  Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I being paranoid here?   There's so much mis-information out there and I think TPTB want us to think they have more power over us than they really do.

But really, in order not to be fooled, this would be why recognizing the true Ark is so important and having complete and utter faith in God. 

Maybe I should be writing this in the other forum...if I can remember my PW.

Guillotines on U.S. Soil! (http://www.remnantofgod.org/guillotines.htm) <<<This website is most definetly a little scary but the answer below that I quoted imo pretty much answers your question. I know different situation regarding your thoughts about TPTB but imo not really different when it comes to the whole of what the EOW/NWO entails.

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The prophecy declares that some WILL be killed by guillotine, and that is what must occur. So, the enemy will eventually figure out ways to get this done. NOT because they believe the prophecy, and want to do as the Almighty declares in that prophecy. Not at all! The fact is, the Lord SAW this end result from the beginning and decided to tell us in advance in His prophetic Word. The wicked are merely doing what the Almighty already saw them do long ago. In other words, They WILL do it! Because our Lord SAW them do it!

I wrote about (in TIAI January 21 thread) what I am posting now. Here is the link to that if your interested. TIAI January 21 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22042.msg387410#msg387410) Scroll to the bottom of my comment and you will see even then I was reluctant to post this info but now it is getting to the point of people needing to be made aware of these things in order to prepare for it.

I get what you're saying.  I guess what I don't 'like' about that scenario is it seems we are powerless to stop it.  We can be prepared as much as we can, make more people aware but so many people will still die.  I realize that sort of seems to be the 'theme' of the signs - that the end is coming and only the faithful will survive.  It bothers me (and others I'm sure obviously) on a personal level when I think about my family and friends who have a casual attitude towards God and faith.  If a loved one has been deceived, or is genuinely clueless, what does that mean for them? I don't like to think about it. 
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on June 04, 2012, 11:16:24 PM
Here are some links (below) for those who are interested in taking their study to a deeeeeper level. I'm not claiming to know the truth about it all and I'm not promoting anything as the whole truth but this is more of a helping thing for me to do for those who don't know where to start or for those who would like more than one opinion/reference to these upcoming events that will happen whether we want to think about it or like it.

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On this page you will find links to studies and videos from this site that will help you to prepare for what's already started to happen! The Lord thy God is coming soon! prepare to meet thy God (http://www.remnantofgod.org/prepare.htm)

The Seven Last Plagues (http://www.remnantofgod.org/7plagues.htm)
Is Jesus Michael the Archangel? (http://www.remnantofgod.org/Michael.htm) <<<This page has an eery...but good similarity to TS' first Sign.  :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red

Hi paula-c.  :icon_e_biggrin:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on June 05, 2012, 01:57:08 AM
Hi Im_convinced, I just got done reading the 3 articles you posted:
Guillotines on U.S. Soil! (http://www.remnantofgod.org/guillotines.htm)
Is Jesus Michael the Archangel? (http://www.remnantofgod.org/Michael.htm)
The Seven Last Plagues (http://www.remnantofgod.org/7plagues.htm)

Guillotines make good sense for harvesting organs for money.
Michael the Archangel is clearly Jesus.
The plagues are very bad, and so no I don't want them near my tent, while 10,000 fall at my side.

As TS said, none of us will grow old unless we are already. :errrr:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MissG on June 05, 2012, 10:19:50 AM
The upcoming crisis I sense all over the world by the end of 2012 is the economical crisis, which could lead to war.
Starvation is powerful.

I also could see a change. Africa got a lot of resources. Some countries are already lending/renting land to superpowers and countries with a lot of capital--->Will Africa get richer than countries which now days think they got it all?

2012, years of changes for sure. Let´s wish for a good end with no wars.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Sarahli on June 05, 2012, 11:57:25 AM
It is going to sound extremely stupid and just shows how little I know but nevermind I gotta ask. In the Bible book of revelations it is mentioned that the devil will be imprisoned for a certain length of time (1000 years or so) and then he will be released again to be imprisoned again but forever this time. In which "phase" are we?
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: suspicious mind on June 05, 2012, 02:13:42 PM
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It is going to sound extremely stupid and just shows how little I know but nevermind I gotta ask. In the Bible book of revelations it is mentioned that the devil will be imprisoned for a certain length of time (1000 years or so) and then he will be released again to be imprisoned again but forever this time. In which "phase" are we?

i have puzzle over this myself
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: GINAFELICIA on June 05, 2012, 03:55:16 PM
Tonight I've done a little reading of the exodus again and at some point I found myself laughing alone in my room!
God tells Moses to tell Aron to do this and that to bring the plagues on the Egyptians - reminded me of that interview Mike supposedly gave to Randy Tarraborelli under the condition that Randy asks the questions to Janet, Janet passes them to Mike, Mike gives the answer to Janet and Janet delivers his answer to Randy....all because Mike made a promise he won't talk to the media at that time  :icon_lol:! I was like why couldn't God tell Aron directly what to do?!
And the pharaoh ... plague after plague - he didn't believe they were from the power of God, probably thinking  it was all COINCIDENCE  :animal0017:...

First time I've had a good laugh while reading the Bible!
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on June 05, 2012, 05:57:49 PM
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It is going to sound extremely stupid and just shows how little I know but nevermind I gotta ask. In the Bible book of revelations it is mentioned that the devil will be imprisoned for a certain length of time (1000 years or so) and then he will be released again to be imprisoned again but forever this time. In which "phase" are we?
This is what my believe is: it's after Armageddon, the devil will be bound for 1000 years, the people who have  died before Armageddon will be ressurected, and after the 1000 years the devil will be released for a period of time. 
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on June 05, 2012, 06:21:19 PM
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Tonight I've done a little reading of the exodus again and at some point I found myself laughing alone in my room!
God tells Moses to tell Aron to do this and that to bring the plagues on the Egyptians - reminded me of that interview Mike supposedly gave to Randy Tarraborelli under the condition that Randy asks the questions to Janet, Janet passes them to Mike, Mike gives the answer to Janet and Janet delivers his answer to Randy....all because Mike made a promise he won't talk to the media at that time  :icon_lol:! I was like why couldn't God tell Aron directly what to do?!
And the pharaoh ... plague after plague - he didn't believe they were from the power of God, probably thinking  it was all COINCIDENCE  :animal0017:...

First time I've had a good laugh while reading the Bible!

That's funny Gina what you wrote about MJ.  :LolLolLolLol:  Never knew that. See how the events mirror modern versions? History repeats itself over n over.  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on June 05, 2012, 06:27:00 PM
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Hi Im_convinced, I just got done reading the 3 articles you posted:
Guillotines on U.S. Soil! (http://www.remnantofgod.org/guillotines.htm)
Is Jesus Michael the Archangel? (http://www.remnantofgod.org/Michael.htm)
The Seven Last Plagues (http://www.remnantofgod.org/7plagues.htm)

Guillotines make good sense for harvesting organs for money.
Michael the Archangel is clearly Jesus.
The plagues are very bad, and so no I don't want them near my tent, while 10,000 fall at my side.

As TS said, none of us will grow old unless we are already. :errrr:

Thank you for taking the time to read the info. I don't expect people to agree with or even disagree with the info on the open forum. I hope it will cause food for thought reaction.  :fresse:  It is overwhelming!  :Pulling_hair:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Dontwalkaway on June 05, 2012, 06:29:02 PM
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It is going to sound extremely stupid and just shows how little I know but nevermind I gotta ask. In the Bible book of revelations it is mentioned that the devil will be imprisoned for a certain length of time (1000 years or so) and then he will be released again to be imprisoned again but forever this time. In which "phase" are we?

I think the devil is still around.  That's why there are so many evil schemes.  On the day of judgement he gets chained for 1000 years.  Maybe in the lake of fire.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: marumjj on June 05, 2012, 06:48:33 PM
Honestly a little over two years since I took the Bible, but I found this. . The thousand years Christian Bible> New Testament> Letters> The Revelation of St. John> The thousand years (66:20:1 - 66:20:10) I saw an angel coming down from heaven and had in his hand the key of the abyss and a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. Cast him into the abyss, and locked and sealed it over him that he should deceive the nations anymore until the thousand years be fulfilled. After this, he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and gave them to judge. I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark upon their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again, until the thousand years. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection. Over these the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. When the thousand years, Satan will be released from prison and go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle. Their number is as the sand of the sea. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city: and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

It is difficult to determine at what stage we are, we know that the Bible is not textual, maybe I see the signs to try to locate.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on June 06, 2012, 12:19:52 AM
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I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark upon their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev. 20:4b
The guillotine would likely be for all criminals including Christians who don't keep the Sunday law.  Sunday church goers, 99%, would be left alone, and if they do get the guillotine, it wouldn't count for ruling with Christ 1000 years.  They'll still only be resurrected later along with the heathen (majority of humans). I personally 'worship' God every day, not just on the Sabbath, but I also usually have to work on the Sabbath (and Sunday), so I guess that rules me out too. This is all because of a 'deception' cleverly placed there by Satan through the Catholic Church (and/or God) which gets 99% of Christians, just as Satan deceived Eve and Adam in the garden of Eden, simply because they were so naive and totally new at all this having a clever liar come and trick them.  They were like young innocent children.  Who would trick children, and then punish them for being gullible? That's why I believe there's other layers to this story for AFTER the 1000 year reign of Christ, after the Great White Throne judgement and second resurrection of all the rest of the dead.  And it appears TS is saying that safety (and salvation)  of people is in knowing the true Ark of the Covenant (hiding IN it?).  Will that somehow cancel out the Sabbath keeping requirement?  We'll just have to 'keep watchin' naturally! :animal0017:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: paula-c on June 07, 2012, 08:13:12 PM
Bible Texts Locate the Real Mount Sinai

"Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh and dwelt in the land of Midian; and he sat down by a well"  Ex. 2:15 NKJV.   Maps indicate Midian is near the border of the Gulf of Aqaba in Northwest Saudi Arabia, in the area shown on the map above.

"And she [Zipporah] bore him a son, and he called his name Gershom; for he said, "I have been a stranger in a foreign land"  Ex. 2:22.  Moses was in a different country, away from any Egyptians in Saudi Arabia.  He could not have been in the Sinai Peninsula, as that area was Egyptian controlled territory, full of Egyptian mines and communication towers.  Moses would have been easily captured in that area.

"Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian.  And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God"  Ex. 3:1.  Jethro lived in the vicinity of Mount Sinai.  Jethro was the leader of the Midianites who were found in this area, "East of the Gulf of Aqaba in the northwestern regions of the Arabian Desert" Britanica.  When researching the location of Mt. Sinai in Saudi Arabia that Mr. Wyatt proposed, I went to the East Tennessee State University Library and found two extremely detailed maps of Saudi Arabia.  On BOTH maps I found the name "Jethro" next to the town of Al Bad, which is near Jebel el Lawz, the correct Mt. Sinai!  See maps below.  Jethro was Moses' father-in-law as we saw in the texts above.  He was from the town of Al Bad, according to the local people who live there today, which is only about 15 miles from Jebel el Lawz.  The local people there today told Ron Wyatt that Jethro was from that area.


(http://www.arkdiscovery.com/albadmap3.jpg)





















"So He [God] said, 'I will certainly be with you.  And this shall be a sign to you that I have sent you:  When you have brought the people out of Egypt, you shall serve God on this mountain'" Exodus 3:12.  Moses was to bring the children of Israel from Egypt to this same mountain in Midian, near Jethro's home, in a foreign land.

"For this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia"  Galatians 4:25.  Here we are clearly told where the mountain should be located, in Arabia.  But where is Arabia?  "...It is bordered on the W by the Gulf of Aqaba and the Red Sea" Britanica.  This clearly rules out the Sinai Peninsula, but it does include Saudi Arabia of course.

"Then, at this saying, Moses fled and became a sojourner in the land of Midian, where he had two sons.  And when forty years had passed, an Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire in a bush, in the wilderness of Mount Sinai."  Acts 7:29,30.  All historically accurate maps, such as some produced by secular companies like National Geographic (see map at top of page), show Midian in Saudi Arabia.  Unfortunately, maps placed in Bibles by the publishers may have Midian in the Sinai Peninsula in order to fit tradition, but not the Bible or the historical record.


Josephus said that Mt. Sinai "was the highest of mountains in the city of Madian" which is just outside the town of Al Bad.  Jebel el Lawz is the highest mountain in the upper two thirds of the country.  Also, Philo said Mt. Sinai was located east of the Sinai Peninsula and south of Palestine


Above - Aaron Sen stands in the encampment area of Mt. Sinai with the blackened peak in the distance. ark of the covenant, ron wyatt (http://www.wyattarchaeology.com)


Layout of Mountain & Artifacts

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Mr. Wyatt is the original modern-day discoverer of the real Mount Sinai.  The upper 200 feet of Jebel el Lawz is burned black, as we have seen in previous photos above.  The Saudi Government will confiscate any photographs of the mountain and will not allow any tourists into the country, but U.S. Government satellite photos and a few private photos smuggled out of the country reveal the secret mountain by its unique blackened peak.  Unlike the traditional site, there are thousands of acres in which to encamp at the base of this mountain, while clearly being visible from the mountain top.

Mt. Sinai Found (http://www.arkdiscovery.com/mt__sinai_found.htm)
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on June 08, 2012, 05:57:38 AM
Paula, great info! Thanks!

(http://www.arkdiscovery.com/calfaltar02.jpg)

Did the Israelites find this nice collection of boulders to put the calf on, or did they pile them up, and how? No evidence of ramps. Anti-gravity knowledge like for the pyramids?

From the site posted:  Mount Sinai Featured on PAX Television (http://www.arkdiscovery.com/MtSinaiPAX.htm)
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But the clearest description in the earliest Jewish literature of the location of Mt. Sinai comes from the first century historian Josephus, he wrote that "Mt. Sinai is the highest of mountains in the region of the city of Madian."  Towering 8,000 feet above the desert floor, Jebel el Lawz certainly fits that description [It is the tallest mountain in the upper two-thirds of the country!].  But the sad fact is, despite all the evidence that has been accumulated we really don't know, and indeed we can't know for certain until competent archaeological excavations are once again permitted on the mountain itself.  But the presence of a large Arab military installation on the mountain brings up an interesting question.  If Jebel el Lawz was proven to be the true Mt. Sinai, and the Saudi military was using that strategic location to direct missiles into Israel, would the Israeli government destroy the mountain of Moses?

[CLOSING COMMENTS:  It is wonderful to see Jebel el Lawz presented to the world, because it is our firm opinion that it IS the real Mt. Sinai -- but it is unfortunate that certain individuals have been reluctant to give the late Ron Wyatt his credit for being the person who truly discovered Mt. Sinai.  If anyone would like to read further about the "problems" that Ron had for 15+ years with those who attempted to take improper credit for the discovery, please go to this website:  http://www.pinkoski.com/sinai.html (http://www.pinkoski.com/sinai.html) ]
Such an interesting story about Ron Wyatt, that has been so maligned with words like "fraud" everywhere. We would not have learned this if it weren't for TS/Front/MJ.

Also the verse mentioned about Mount Sinai in Arabia. Interesting context:

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Galatians 4:21-31
King James Version (KJV)
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
We've discussed about whether we are still under the law (keeping the Sabbath) and must keep the ten commandments to be saved, and be raised in the first resurrection or raptured to rule and reign with Christ 1000 years. But these verses clearly say laws keep us in bondage.

The Jerusalem below will be destroyed during end times, and the Jerusalem above will descend (Rev. 21:2) (Temple and AotC that TS talked about.) (Mothership I'm thinking)  That may very well be our ticket of protection --the Ark of safety, that TS was talking about. Perhaps the Saudi military at Mt. Sinai will be the ones to destroy Jerusalem, by God's decree.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: marumjj on June 08, 2012, 06:13:17 AM
In modern life, many work Saturdays and Sundays, overall economic situation, sometimes forced to work hard. Do not fast when the Bible says to do. You can not follow exactly, what the Bible says to do. That leaves out many millions. Because the government will not allow you visit Saudi Mount Sinai? Thanks paula-c by the maps.
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Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on June 08, 2012, 05:47:48 PM

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRWrG4kyfhM&feature=related[/youtube]

Here is something powerful we CAN do...Stand Up against TPTB and say "We've had Enough!" :icon_rr:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: paula-c on June 08, 2012, 06:17:06 PM
"There is nothing you cannot do,  if we raise our voices as one".

True, but the people are living in your ignorance and it appears to be conformable
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: marumjj on June 08, 2012, 06:49:18 PM
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Es cierto, pero la gente está viviendo en su ignorancia y que parece ser conformes

It seems that not all conform tins, I think that it is not having someone to initiate the movement, MJ has done for many years but many only admired his songs and the great artist, and just now we understand the message (including me).
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Andrea on June 08, 2012, 07:44:03 PM
I really must say that all of this has been absolutely fascinating.  Like, mind-altering fascinating.  For all 3 Signs so far, the evidence speaks for itself and researching it elsewhere backs it all up.  I've never been to a Biblical site so I can't say definitively what's what but I think what we are learning the Truth.  It was lost through the ages but always there, waiting to be re-discovered.

Maybe TS really stands for Truth Sayer.  I've read what other sites have said - how we follow TS's 'cult' like sheep.  Whatever.  I challenge those people to read the Signs in full and do their own research.  You can't dismiss something as fake without knowing what you're talking about.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: AlwaysHeather on June 09, 2012, 04:30:50 PM
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The main purpose of this Sign #3—as the title indicates—is to show the parallel and importance of God’s voice at Mt. Sinai, and God’s voice at the end of the world.  Both of which, by the way, are directly related to the ark of the covenant!  At Sinai God spoke the Ten Commandments, and the ark was built shortly afterward to contain the Decalogue.  At the beginning of the seventh vial, which marks the end of Armageddon, God will speak once again.  His voice will come “from the throne” in heaven (Revelation 16:17; see Joel 3:16; Amos 1:2); and as we learned in Sign #1, the ark of the covenant is God’s throne.

Revelation 11:19, “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ARK of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Revelation 16:16-21, “And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.  And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the THRONE, saying, It is done.  And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.  And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.  And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.  And there fell upon men a great hail …” (see 6:12-17).


This is where I get, I don't want to say confused but maybe...nervous (?) because from what I've read about Project Blue Beam, this is one of the scenarios that they (TPTB) supposedly plan to create.  Re-create the revelations so people will be fooled by the anti-Christ so everyone will be ushered into a one world religion (the survivors I suppose) after the "messiah" is seen all over the world in the sky declaring the 'truth', using the great earthquake to provide 'evidence' of what this 'messiah' is saying.  It would appear they have the technology to create earthquakes.

So I'm wondering - is this really TPTB's plans OR do they want their supposed plans leaked onto the internet so that when God  arrives, people will question/doubt/mis-trust God's message?  Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I being paranoid here?  There's so much mis-information out there and I think TPTB want us to think they have more power over us than they really do.

But really, in order not to be fooled, this would be why recognizing the true Ark is so important and having complete and utter faith in God. 

Maybe I should be writing this in the other forum...if I can remember my PW.

 I have been studying this stuff for almost 6 years. The bible has been a huge part of my life. Firstly, I want to say Thank you TS, for this. I've been avoiding this subject for about a year now. Too much stress for someone like me.
And for those with questions I will do my best to help explain and or give you my thoughts on this matter. Secondly, This reminds me of 3 things. Will You Be There, Megamind, and B Howard. Only because the Ark of the covenant was mentioned, it may be totally off the subject. I do realize that TS is speaking of end times, which I have studied a lot as well over the past 6 years. Now I will speak firstly about Will You Be there, *side note* I'm not sure if these 3 have any connections or not, but I'm just observing* In Joshua, Joshua was told by God to take over Moses Job of leading the people to the promise land. They came to a river, The River Jordan. They had the ark with them. Joshua sent out two men to search the country They went to Jericho. They found there at a woman's house that someone was out to get them. She hid them On the "roof" of her house. She thought that the two men were going to hurt her and her family. Because God destroyed the amorites when crossing the Red Sea.  So the men answered her, “Our lives for yours, if none of you tell this business of ours. And it shall be, when the Lord has given us the land, that we will deal kindly and truly with you.” So they got back to Joshua and then they woke up the next day and came to the Jordan. They told the people that when they see the Ark of the Covenant to chase after it. But not get to close, so that they will know the way to go. For they had not been that way before. 7 And the Lord said to Joshua, “This day I will begin to exalt you in the sight of all Israel, that they may know that, as I was with Moses, so I will be with you. 8 You shall command the priests who bear the ark of the covenant, saying, ‘When you have come to the edge of the water of the Jordan, you shall stand in the Jordan.’” Exalt means to Hold up. To Lift up. Michael says in his song. Hold me, like the river Jordan. And I will then say to Thee you are my friend. Now remember that Joshua and all the Israelites were in the wilderness still at this time. Still hoping for the Promised Land, which was filled with everything they could ever dream of. It was to be their new home. So when the people carrying the Ark, stepped foot into the river the water parted. And left them dry land to walk across, why, because the ark of the covenant had God's presence in it. They were helped by God, I honestly think that Michael was talking to God during this song. God HELD the river Jordan for the people to pass over in safety when they had kings from Egypt pursuing them.
Ok, next we have MegaMind. When Megamind takes over and sits in the capitol. (that's what I call it) He is in the office talking and having an existential conversation with the bird. and the camera pans around the room and you see the Ark sitting there in the room. So, 1, does this mean that the government has something to do with the ark, or knows where the ark is, or could it just mean that THE PRESENCE OF GOD is with Michael. Because to me, Megamind is Michael.
Lastly, it reminds me of B. Howard. In His song Ananda from the album GENESIS - He sings - "Do you remember the promise of the son, he spoke from the Mountain that we shall overcome" The Mountain I believe he is referring to is Mt. Sinai. God said this to Moses... this is the promise He made...Exodus 19 (New King James Version)
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Exodus 19

New King James Version (NKJV)
Israel at Mount Sinai

19 In the third month after the children of Israel had gone out of the land of Egypt, on the same day, they came to the Wilderness of Sinai. 2 For they had departed from Rephidim, had come to the Wilderness of Sinai, and camped in the wilderness. So Israel camped there before the mountain.

3 And Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain, saying, “Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel: 4 ‘You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings and brought you to Myself. 5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. 6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”
I believe the important thing here is, is that we keep God's commands for those who believe, so that when the "end" comes, we shall be saved I will try to share the link to B. Howards song. I think it says a lot. I listen to it all the time. I love it very much. Ananda- B.Howard - Genesis - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEA0tEu_tb0) The word 'Ānanda' means 'bliss' in Pali, Sanskrit as well as other Indian languages. It is a popular Buddhist and Hindu name, but popular also among Muslims in Indonesia.

In the Kannakatthala Sutta (MN 90), Ananda is identified with the meaning of his name:

    Then King Pasenadi Kosala said to the Blessed One, "Lord, what is the name of this monk?"

    "His name is Ananda, great king."

    "What a joy he is! What a true joy!..." - source Wiki.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on June 10, 2012, 01:37:41 AM
Hi AlwaysHeather! Would you be able to recall which part of the movie Megamind, the Ark you saw was in? Near the beginning etc.? Thanks! I loved the movie and thought it extremely MJ hoaxy.

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Ok, next we have MegaMind. When Megamind takes over and sits in the capitol. (that's what I call it) He is in the office talking and having an existential conversation with the bird. and the camera pans around the room and you see the Ark sitting there in the room. So, 1, does this mean that the government has something to do with the ark, or knows where the ark is, or could it just mean that THE PRESENCE OF GOD is with Michael. Because to me, Megamind is Michael.

I really think MJ had a hand in Megamind, directing behind the scenes.

This also relates to Southpark, Season 8, Episode 7 where MJ is seen with the Ark of the Covenant.
THE GUARDPOST: MICHAEL JACKSON, SOUTH PARK AND THE ARK OF THE COVENANT (http://theguardpost.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/06/michael-jackson-south-park-and-the-ark-of-the-covenant.html)

(http://theguardpost.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54eea435a883301157097c178970c-500pi)

Thirdly, the very day MJ 'died' the priest in Ethiopia announced the revealing of the Ark of the Covanent.
ARK OF THE COVENANT REVEALED | Weekly World News (http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/9322/ark-of-the-covenant-revealed/)

According to TS, who we believe is MJ or someone closely connected to him, these 3 connections of the Ark to MJ, are all about the false Ark.  He says the true one was discovered by Ron Wyatt and remains in the cave beneath the Place of the Scull, the Crucifixion site of Jesus, and that it will have a part to play in the End time scenario.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MissG on June 10, 2012, 04:52:36 AM
Many "arks" have been found during the years. One was stored in a dusty shelf of a museum in South Africa.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Dontwalkaway on June 10, 2012, 06:37:44 PM
MJonMind,

I don't know really but it seems like MJ knew about the ark for quite some time.  When was SouthPark on ?  I never watched it.  It seems like there have been hints for a while but we didn't realize it.  At least I didn't.

Thanks for sharing. ;)


Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on June 11, 2012, 03:48:18 AM
Well that episode of Southpark was in 2004. Back said the hoax has been in planning for at 2 decades-- so maybe mid to late eighties. Ron Wyatt discovered the Ark of the Covenant in 1982, around when MJ was planning/filming Thriller.  Yet it seems that the Ark is an integral part and purpose of the whole 'death' hoax, relating to the EOW Biblically.  I don't think MJ planned the hoax initially with just a few sketchy elements, and then added things along the way.  I think the complete hoax outline was given to MJ by God. Back may have been referring to this in his opening statement of 'Theory of Seven',   Of a tHeOrY or Vision-back post 11/18/2009 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=21940.0#top)  referring to, "internal jolts".

Here's the lyrics to Thriller.  In the context of the significance of the Ark that TS suggests, Thriller talks about evil, terror, 40 (eyes) in the Bible means testing and judgement, danger, death, resurrection, aliens, a beast, ghosts, blood, close to midnight (in last days).  There is safety, understanding and 'holding tight' in Michael as the ultimate Thriller.  It also relates strongly to Back's comparison of Jesus Christ and Michael Jackson as different but equally powerful and significant kings and reigns.

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Thriller lyrics
Songwriters: Temperton, Rod;

It's close to midnight and something evil's lurking in the dark
Under the moonlight, you see a sight that almost stops your heart
You try to scream but terror takes the sound before you make it
You start to freeze as horror looks you right between the eyes
You're paralyzed

'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
And no one's gonna save you from the beast about strike
You know it's thriller, thriller night
You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight

You hear the door slam and realize there's nowhere left to run
You feel the cold hand and wonder if you'll ever see the sun
You close your eyes and hope that this is just imagination, girl!
But all the while you hear the creature creeping up behind
You're out of time

'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
There ain't no second chance against the thing with forty eyes, girl
Thriller, thriller night
You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight

Night creatures calling, the dead start to walk in their masquerade
There's no escaping the jaws of the alien this time
(They're open wide)
This is the end of your life

They're out to get you, there's demons closing in on every side
They will possess you unless you change that number on your dial
Now is the time for you and I to cuddle close together, yeah
All through the night I'll save you from the terror on the screen
I'll make you see

That this is thriller, thriller night
'Cause I can thrill you more than any ghost would ever dare try
Thriller, thriller night
So let me hold you tight and share a
Killer, diller, chiller, thriller here tonight

'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
Girl, I can thrill you more than any ghost would ever dare try
Thriller, thriller night
So let me hold you tight and share a killer, thriller, ow!

(I'm gonna thrill ya tonight)
Darkness falls across the land
The midnight hour is close at hand
Creatures crawl in search of blood
To terrorize y'alls neighborhood

I'm gonna thrill ya tonight, ooh baby
I'm gonna thrill ya tonight, oh darlin'
Thriller night, baby, ooh!

The foulest stench is in the air
The funk of forty thousand years
And grizzly ghouls from every tomb
Are closing in to seal your doom

And though you fight to stay alive
Your body starts to shiver
For no mere mortal can resist
The evil of the thriller

Shortly after Thriller, MJ co-wrote and sang with Paul McCartney in 1983, The Man which has lyrics also giving MJ a unique/powerful 'identity', perhaps Angelic, as Back describes:  "Angels in the temporary casts of both tIME and human flesh".
The Man Lyrics by Paul McCartney (http://www.lyricsdepot.com/paul-mccartney/the-man.html)  Kenny Ortega introduced MJ to the TII dancers as 'The Man'!  Sign #1 showed the scriptural basis for Michael the Archangel and Jesus Christ being one and the same.

Also in 1981, The Raiders of the Lost Ark, was released directed by Steven Spielberg. TS mentioned this Ark as being a false depiction. The very next year RW discovers the real Ark, and MJ is the Thriller.  All this just seems impossible to be coincidental.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 11, 2012, 07:40:58 AM
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Thanks TS for his post, had not been read before. I personally at this time is difficult to relate to religion, I am Christian, but I'm debugging my heart and absorbing so much pain over the death of a very young family. Maybe I can meet again with the Bible, I value your posts and your presence here.

 :bearhug:

i am sorry to hear you are going through this. best wishes to you and to those close to the little girl.
 :bearhug:

may God help you during this difficult time

Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 11, 2012, 07:45:24 AM
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The upcoming crisis I sense all over the world by the end of 2012 is the economical crisis, which could lead to war.
Starvation is powerful.

2012, years of changes for sure. Let´s wish for a good end with no wars.

Trust in God - Whatever happens.. Don't let go of his hand (thanks for in inspiration MJ)
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 11, 2012, 07:53:38 AM
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It is going to sound extremely stupid and just shows how little I know but nevermind I gotta ask. In the Bible book of revelations it is mentioned that the devil will be imprisoned for a certain length of time (1000 years or so) and then he will be released again to be imprisoned again but forever this time. In which "phase" are we?
This is what my believe is: it's after Armageddon, the devil will be bound for 1000 years, the people who have  died before Armageddon will be ressurected, and after the 1000 years the devil will be released for a period of time.

@ shy - hit the nail on head my love!!

to continue....

devil released for a short period of time for final test. it will be a harsh test but a brief test. then god will "bruise him in the head" as per prophecy in Genesis - death for eternity..
after that, that is when true life begins... the world restored to paradise, the dead resurrected. abolishment of satan and followers (false religion, government, corrup corporation) and those who remain, live forever, in perfection under God's perfect, loving, just and righteous rule.

psalm 37:29

"And the righteous ones inherit the Earth and dwell upon it for eternity."
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MissG on June 11, 2012, 02:03:26 PM
 "Only when the last tree has been cut down; Only when the last river has been poisoned; Only when the last fish has been caught; Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten"
 
Proverb, American Indian
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Dontwalkaway on June 11, 2012, 05:11:56 PM
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Well that episode of Southpark was in 2004. Back said the hoax has been in planning for at 2 decades-- so maybe mid to late eighties. Ron Wyatt discovered the Ark of the Covenant in 1982, around when MJ was planning/filming Thriller.  Yet it seems that the Ark is an integral part and purpose of the whole 'death' hoax, relating to the EOW Biblically.  I don't think MJ planned the hoax initially with just a few sketchy elements, and then added things along the way.  I think the complete hoax outline was given to MJ by God. Back may have been referring to this in his opening statement of 'Theory of Seven',   Of a tHeOrY or Vision-back post 11/18/2009 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=21940.0#top)  referring to, "internal jolts".

Here's the lyrics to Thriller.  In the context of the significance of the Ark that TS suggests, Thriller talks about evil, terror, 40 (eyes) in the Bible means testing and judgement, danger, death, resurrection, aliens, a beast, ghosts, blood, close to midnight (in last days).  There is safety, understanding and 'holding tight' in Michael as the ultimate Thriller.  It also relates strongly to Back's comparison of Jesus Christ and Michael Jackson as different but equally powerful and significant kings and reigns.

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Thriller lyrics
Songwriters: Temperton, Rod;

It's close to midnight and something evil's lurking in the dark
Under the moonlight, you see a sight that almost stops your heart
You try to scream but terror takes the sound before you make it
You start to freeze as horror looks you right between the eyes
You're paralyzed

'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
And no one's gonna save you from the beast about strike
You know it's thriller, thriller night
You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight

You hear the door slam and realize there's nowhere left to run
You feel the cold hand and wonder if you'll ever see the sun
You close your eyes and hope that this is just imagination, girl!
But all the while you hear the creature creeping up behind
You're out of time

'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
There ain't no second chance against the thing with forty eyes, girl
Thriller, thriller night
You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight

Night creatures calling, the dead start to walk in their masquerade
There's no escaping the jaws of the alien this time
(They're open wide)
This is the end of your life

They're out to get you, there's demons closing in on every side
They will possess you unless you change that number on your dial
Now is the time for you and I to cuddle close together, yeah
All through the night I'll save you from the terror on the screen
I'll make you see

That this is thriller, thriller night
'Cause I can thrill you more than any ghost would ever dare try
Thriller, thriller night
So let me hold you tight and share a
Killer, diller, chiller, thriller here tonight

'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
Girl, I can thrill you more than any ghost would ever dare try
Thriller, thriller night
So let me hold you tight and share a killer, thriller, ow!

(I'm gonna thrill ya tonight)
Darkness falls across the land
The midnight hour is close at hand
Creatures crawl in search of blood
To terrorize y'alls neighborhood

I'm gonna thrill ya tonight, ooh baby
I'm gonna thrill ya tonight, oh darlin'
Thriller night, baby, ooh!

The foulest stench is in the air
The funk of forty thousand years
And grizzly ghouls from every tomb
Are closing in to seal your doom

And though you fight to stay alive
Your body starts to shiver
For no mere mortal can resist
The evil of the thriller

Shortly after Thriller, MJ co-wrote and sang with Paul McCartney in 1983, The Man which has lyrics also giving MJ a unique/powerful 'identity', perhaps Angelic, as Back describes:  "Angels in the temporary casts of both tIME and human flesh".
The Man Lyrics by Paul McCartney (http://www.lyricsdepot.com/paul-mccartney/the-man.html)  Kenny Ortega introduced MJ to the TII dancers as 'The Man'!  Sign #1 showed the scriptural basis for Michael the Archangel and Jesus Christ being one and the same.

Also in 1981, The Raiders of the Lost Ark, was released directed by Steven Spielberg. TS mentioned this Ark as being a false depiction. The very next year RW discovers the real Ark, and MJ is the Thriller.  All this just seems impossible to be coincidental.

I think you're right about a lot of it MJonMind.  Thriller also reminds me of the anti-christ,demons, and the whole book of revelation really.  Most of the songs now are taking on double and triple meanings.    This has been planned a loooong time ago.  20+ or more years like you said.   I think MJ on God are working together most definitely.

Love You       :penguin:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: curls on June 12, 2012, 01:25:49 AM
[Regarding songs with deeper layers of meaning: many were not actually penned by MJ, and I'm not sure how to reconcile this with the idea of intentional 'double or triple meanings'.  Could it be that, like with any artform, the viewer/listener (in this case, us AND MJ) will always see/hear from their own perspective, which may or may not be in the original artist/writer's thoughts? It's always down to personal interpretation.]
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on June 12, 2012, 02:04:38 AM
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[Regarding songs with deeper layers of meaning: many were not actually penned by MJ, and I'm not sure how to reconcile this with the idea of intentional 'double or triple meanings'.  Could it be that, like with any artform, the viewer/listener (in this case, us AND MJ) will always see/hear from their own perspective, which may or may not be in the original artist/writer's thoughts? It's always down to personal interpretation.]
Or a higher power involved orchestrating things. :)
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on June 26, 2012, 04:05:41 PM
What prompted my post is this from AlwaysHeather.

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In Joshua, Joshua was told by God to take over Moses Job of leading the people to the promise land. They came to a river, The River Jordan…
They told the people that when they see the Ark of the Covenant to chase after it. But not get to close, so that they will know the way to go. For they had not been that way before. 7 And the Lord said to Joshua, “This day I will begin to exalt you in the sight of all Israel, that they may know that, as I was with Moses, so I will be with you. 8 You shall command the priests who bear the ark of the covenant, saying, ‘When you have come to the edge of the water of the Jordan, you shall stand in the Jordan.’” Exalt means to Hold up. To Lift up. Michael says in his song. Hold me, like the river Jordan. And I will then say to Thee you are my friend. Now remember that Joshua and all the Israelites were in the wilderness still at this time. Still hoping for the Promised Land, which was filled with everything they could ever dream of. It was to be their new home. So when the people carrying the Ark, stepped foot into the river the water parted. And left them dry land to walk across, why, because the ark of the covenant had God's presence in it. They were helped by God,
TIAI May 27 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22681.msg408667#msg408667)

Here is the Bible story from Joshua 3:
Joshua 3 KJV - And Joshua rose early in the morning; - Bible Gateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua%203&version=KJV)

My thought is: I believe the whole video and lyrics of 'Will You Be There'  are talking about the Ark of the Covenant and its relationship to Michael Jackson, intertwined. This fully relates to the Signs so far, the the N7DT post by Back.

We all know about the announcement that the Ark of the Covenant would be revealed on the day MJ ‘died’ (Michael WAS revealed in a 'new' way), showing a strong connection. As well as 2 other associations with MJ in Southpark and Megamind.

Just to show the background: The Sign has clearly been teaching that Scripture teaches Michael the Archangel is Jesus in another form. MJ, Front, TS and Back have all hinted the Michael correlates with the Archangel and Jesus.  The Sign has taught that the blood on the Ark found by RW was Jesus’ blood. He has said that the true Ark is God’s throne, and that the safety of mankind rests in the Ark, and knowing who it represents.
 
Sign #3
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The main purpose of this Sign #3—as the title indicates—is to show the parallel and importance of God’s voice at Mt. Sinai, and God’s voice at the end of the world.  Both of which, by the way, are directly related to the ark of the covenant!  At Sinai God spoke the Ten Commandments, and the ark was built shortly afterward to contain the Decalogue.  At the beginning of the seventh vial, which marks the end of Armageddon, God will speak once again.  His voice will come “from the throne” in heaven (Revelation 16:17; see Joel 3:16; Amos 1:2); and as we learned in Sign #1, the ark of the covenant is God’s throne...

Revelation 11:19, “And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ARK of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, andthunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.”

Sign #1
 
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  There are many different ideas on what the EOW even means: some think it will be the total destruction of all life on the planet, while others think the whole world will be converted and saved. As usual, the truth lies between the extremes; and Yom Kippur even illustrates that some but not all would be “cut off” and “destroyed” (Leviticus 23:29,30). Also, the Feast of Tabernacles came after Yom Kippur, and it represents what comes after the EOW—it represents those who survive the EOW (see Leviticus 23:39,40; Revelation 14:14-16). So those who are awake to the evidence, and chose to be informed and prepared, will know what the EOW means; they will be ready for it when it comes—and they will survive, because they will be in “the final ark of safety.”…

   But it’s not going to be a fight over who gets their hands on the ark; God has full control of the ark.Also, this is not a message to worship the ark itself, as if it were inherently magical. The battle of Armageddon is a battle over the truth which the ark represents. And it’s not a physical war, except to the extent that the enemies of truth will use persecution and violence, just as they have done many times down through history (see John 16:2). But those defending the truth will have no need or desire to engage in any type of physical battle. Well then, if the battle of Armageddon is all about the ark of the covenant, and the truth that it is designed to represent, then it’s high time we figure out how to distinguish the true ark from the many counterfeit arks out there.

Okay now here's the video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUaMzwNPgro[/youtube]


At 3:50 there are 6 dancers in this scene who are dressed Egyptian style, and of course the Israelites were coming out of Egypt, and it was 6 priests who carried the ark. 
 
The Sign in #1 after a long scriptural proof, says:
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The reasonable conclusion is that the six men all stood in line, three in front and three behind.

While he sings, “Lift me up, hold me up”, they begin this interesting routine, first the dancers lift one of their group horizontally like the Ark would be carried across the Jordan, then a child who is holding a globe, hands it to the carried dancer, who as he carries it around the back, immediately MJ is lifted high by the dancers up above everyone in the crucifixion position (saving the world). Then again as a dancer is lifted up horizontally, another child gives him a large book. To me the globe is the world and the book—the book of life in Revelation that only the Lamb could open. (Remember the painting of MJ where he holds a book and a key?)

Next it may be nothing, then a child starts to sign for the deaf (those who don't understand?) only right near the end. Could that be the The Sign's 7 messages, 'never before revealed to the world'?

At 6:01 the angel comes and wraps her arms around him, while he says, “I’ll never let you part, for you’re always in my heart.”  I think he is showing that he is Michael the Archangel, who will never let us part.  Her wings are really his. Or it could be that the 2 wings represent the 2 angels on each side of the mercy seat of the Ark.

If you read the lyrics to this song, especially that it starts off with "hold me" in the river Jordan (can I assume "like" could mean "in"?), what was held in the Jordan, was the Ark by the 6 priests. Then keep going with this theme throughout the song. The Ark represents who Michael really is, and his purpose, still far from completed in the EOW and Revelation. We have 4 more signs to go.

I even thought about why the car was there—could it be because it is a vehicle to transport, as the Ark is a vehicle to carry the law, bread, and most importantly the presence of power of God.

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"Will You Be There"

Hold Me
Like The River Jordan
And I Will Then Say To Thee
You Are My Friend

Carry Me
Like You Are My Brother
Love Me Like A Mother
Will You Be There?

Weary
Tell Me Will You Hold Me
When Wrong, Will You Scold Me
When Lost Will You Find Me?

But They Told Me
A Man Should Be Faithful
And Walk When Not Able
And Fight Till The End
But I'm Only Human

Everyone's Taking Control Of Me
Seems That The World's
Got A Role For Me
I'm So Confused
Will You Show To Me
You'll Be There For Me
And Care Enough To Bear Me

(Hold Me)
(Lay Your Head Lowly)
(Softly Then Boldly)
(Carry Me There)

(Lead Me)
(Love Me And Feed Me)
(Kiss Me And Free Me)
(I Will Feel Blessed)

(Carry)
(Carry Me Boldly)
(Lift Me Up Slowly)
(Carry Me There)

(Save Me)
(Heal Me And Bathe Me)
(Softly You Say To Me)
(I Will Be There)

(Lift Me)
(Lift Me Up Slowly)
(Carry Me Boldly)
(Show Me You Care)

(Hold Me)
(Lay Your Head Lowly)
(Softly Then Boldly)
(Carry Me There)

(Need Me)
(Love Me And Feed Me)
(Kiss Me And Free Me)
(I Will Feel Blessed)

[Spoken]
In Our Darkest Hour
In My Deepest Despair
Will You Still Care?
Will You Be There?
In My Trials
And My Tribulations
Through Our Doubts
And Frustrations
In My Violence
In My Turbulence
Through My Fear
And My Confessions
In My Anguish And My Pain
Through My Joy And My Sorrow
In The Promise Of Another Tomorrow
I'll Never Let You Part
For You're Always In My Heart.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: wishingstar on June 26, 2012, 04:16:17 PM
@MJonmind..........
you're amazing....great post and great correlations altogether.  The song Will You Be There has always been a powerful one for me personally.  For some reason, it always speaks to me more than most songs....love it so much.  Thank you for putting this together...... it's amazing.

Blessings Always
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: GINAFELICIA on June 26, 2012, 04:23:01 PM
I think your connections with Will you be there video are very interesting. It's full of symbols that maybe we couldn't understand before The Signs :icon_eek:.
So is this proof that TS speaks from MJ's own ideas or it proves that TS is only very smart and guessed before anyone else the true meanings of this video?
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: GINAFELICIA on June 26, 2012, 04:27:21 PM
Oh...yesterday I remembered of that thread where TS made us discuss what went in the ambulance..I don't know what thread it is but now, seeing what happened last week in my country, when a former prime-minister faked a suicide to escape prison and go to hospital instead (a true media circus, with ambulance and cops and everything) - well if this was possible in my country then I guess everything is possible with Mike and he found a way to place a corpse in that ambulance. Oh and the secret services have their own ambulances in all countries I guess.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: GINAFELICIA on June 26, 2012, 04:31:46 PM
@MJonmind - you ask a very good question - what's the car doing in that video?? Doesn't seem to belong in that short movie. I've always found it odd. And it seems to be missing a wheel??
Also interesting that in the dance moment starting from around 3:50 there are the 6 men and Michael is in the middle of them, being the seventh one.
Was Michael suffering of that Mesia syndrom or it really is something about him..are we really living those times....
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on June 26, 2012, 04:32:13 PM
Thanks for your kind comments!  :beerchug:

Gina,
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Also interesting that in the dance moment starting from around 3:50 there are the 6 men and Michael is in the middle of them, being the seventh one.
That's what I mentioned in my post, the 6 priests (dancers) who carried the Ark, and the 'Ark' in the middle.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on June 27, 2012, 12:56:33 AM
Wow, MJonmind, great post. Thanks for putting it together for us.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 27, 2012, 01:14:58 AM
@mjonmind. thank you for your last post. i am still sitting on a few thoughts about what you wrote and trying to understand what i feel / think about them.

i was interested by your interpretation of WYBT. i always translated that verse as:

Hold me, like the river Jordan (Jesus was baptised in the River Jordan as you know - therefore MJ trying to parallel a Baptism / dedication of his own body / life to God)

And I will then say to thee, You are my Friend (As we know from bible, Baptism constitutes friendship with God)


i always thought this verse was speaking of Michael's dedicating his or desire to dedicate his bod / life to loving God, speaking of God and living with God as his focus in life, so as to become his friend.


your interpreation is interesting and is something for me to think about further. thank you



also, can i please clarify with you re: your last post, am I right in thinking that in all instances that you wrote michael, you are referring to the ark angel, and in all instances that you are refering to michael jackson you refer to him as MJ. i just want to make sure i am reading your post the way you intend for it to be percieved.


*hugs*
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on June 27, 2012, 03:20:31 AM
Hi Aussie, I thought you already knew my far-out theory that they are one and the same! 
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 27, 2012, 05:38:14 AM
Ok I'm glad I asked, as that is what I thought I took. Thank you.


 :smiley_abuv: each members right to have a theory.


You know how I feel so I won't go there to uphold peace.


Hugs
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on June 27, 2012, 09:35:40 AM
Not sure if this is on topic or off, but it seems to fit so I will throw it out there.

For those who don't believe MJ is more then just a mortal man, I believe that at least MJ believes he is more then just that. The lyrics of Cry make it quite clear themselves, particularly the chorus:

"You can change the world/I can't do it by myself,
You can touch the sky/gonna take somebody's help,
You're the chosen one/I'm gonna need some kind of sign"

It matters not to me that R. Kelly wrote this song (allegedly). What matters to me is that MJ chose to sing it, approved (obviously, by singing it) of the written lyrics, and chose to include it on his hoax album (Invincible). This, to me, indicates that MJ believes, truly, that he is the chosen one.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: GINAFELICIA on June 27, 2012, 01:14:23 PM
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Thanks for your kind comments!  :beerchug:

Gina,
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Also interesting that in the dance moment starting from around 3:50 there are the 6 men and Michael is in the middle of them, being the seventh one.
That's what I mentioned in my post, the 6 priests (dancers) who carried the Ark, and the 'Ark' in the middle.
Oh yes, sorry, I am terribly tired these days, can't even think straight.
You made me watch the video again from another perspective. Like this:
(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h478/GINAFELICIA/Persepctive.jpg)
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: GINAFELICIA on June 27, 2012, 01:22:53 PM
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Not sure if this is on topic or off, but it seems to fit so I will throw it out there.

For those who don't believe MJ is more then just a mortal man, I believe that at least MJ believes he is more then just that. The lyrics of Cry make it quite clear themselves, particularly the chorus:

"You can change the world/I can't do it by myself,
You can touch the sky/gonna take somebody's help,
You're the chosen one/I'm gonna need some kind of sign"

It matters not to me that R. Kelly wrote this song (allegedly). What matters to me is that MJ chose to sing it, approved (obviously, by singing it) of the written lyrics, and chose to include it on his hoax album (Invincible). This, to me, indicates that MJ believes, truly, that he is the chosen one.
Yes, that is why he ordered some strange pictures of himself. Arnold Klein posted a few in a row yesterday on fb, one of them I've never seen before:
(http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h478/GINAFELICIA/Michaelandthegodess.jpg)
Michael, being such a sensitive and smart person, was able to perceive what other people do not realize in a lifetime. Maybe Michael reached that place inside where we are all like God, that little spark of divinity that exists in every human. And he probably was searching for answers to why he was what he was, why he had the destiny that he had, probably feeling compelled to live up to the gifts God gave to him, to match God's expectations from him. Who knows....
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 27, 2012, 02:23:22 PM
wasnt going to continue down this line, as i dont want to debate especially on this thread. i disagree, so simply no point to debate it and also repect others for having their opinions. but, since bec's post, i'd really like to make another comment and then i'll leave it at that with my opinion in tow, and respectfully leave MJonmind, with hers...

although i dont believe MJ is the chosen one, michael the arc angel, the ark, or other, i AGREE and do believe that MJ may feel he is the chosen one, so i completely agree with your last post bec. and when i think of the dance moves, the poses, the art work that was commissioned, the lyrics, that does fit. i have always thought that especially during the dangerous to invincible era.


i personally dont believe MJ is THE chosen one as in equal to or the next christ, but do believe he is a 'chosen' one in (but still in want of a better phrase. perhaps a self appointed chosen one) in terms of being the only person on earth who can command such a great following / fan base  and influence as he does. (We know he trancends, racial, sexual and religious barriers and has more worldwide followers than other iconic people of history, with the exception of christ.) i honestly to believe in my heart that he is using his position through song, lyrics, dance, and now more importantly hoax to draw peoples attention to God and the bible and bible prophecy that is soon to be fulfilled...

i believe he is human and does not have supernatural / angelic make up. but while i dont agree that he is the chosen one as in the next christ or the arc angel, i do believe he is THE perfect person to raise attention, awareness and draw people to look to God. so in a way i agree that he is the chosen one (self appointed) amongst everyone / anyone (in this era, not incl Jesus) who can have the largest influence on a global scale in a bid to "make it happen"

but ultimately, i must say this out of respect for christ and his sacrifice of dying for the human race, that personally i believe as per the bible, that salvation is through jesus christ, not michael.

hope this makes sence and is not disrespectful to anyone elses beliefs or MJ himself. i tried hard to articulate myself properly and respectfully.


 :smiley-vault-misc-150:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: RK on June 27, 2012, 06:06:54 PM
Everything that Aussie said....+ 1
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: marumjj on June 27, 2012, 06:51:50 PM
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Todo lo que dijo el australiano .... + 1


+ 2



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Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MaryK on June 27, 2012, 06:54:02 PM
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Everything that Aussie said....+ 1

Agree!
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: SimPattyK on June 27, 2012, 07:11:25 PM
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Everything that Aussie said....+ 1
+ 4


But even though I agree with everything Aussie perfectly expressed here^^, I still feel the need to add that Michael truly HAS something ANGELIC in him!! through his natural generosity and kindness, incredible magnetism, numerous talents and purely, angelic beauty inside and out!
And already these are so many divine gifts that only God could have decided to bless one person with. Michael has always been aware of all this ^^ and grateful to God for everything, and this is where I agree with what Bec said about Michael who probably and why not say it logically, thinks of himself he's more then just a mortal man, taking into account everything mentioned above ^^.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: SimPattyK on June 27, 2012, 07:26:06 PM
@MJonMind: your analysis of Will You Be there video is fantastic!! Thank you for "translating" it so well!! I t really makes a LOT of sense the way you put it and in relation to The Signs!
Little by little, we discover the meaning of those Signs too... impossible to "digest" at the beginning, now, as tIME goes by we learn how to understand and how to interpret them.

Will You Be There is one of the most beautiful songs ever!
But I haven't quite listened to it ever since June 2009... I kind of avoided it ... lol They used to play this song a lot those days when I was still crying,thinking that he died. Therefore, it has gained too much sadness in my "auditory memory" if I can say so... At one point I had found myself switching off the radio or stopping  certain videos when I heard this song... just because it reminded me of some really hard moments...and it always makes me cry even though now I know he's alive! It still makes me cry.... can't help it.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 27, 2012, 07:39:37 PM
- thanks for your comments all  :icon_e_smile:


- i still maintain that WYBT (first verse) referrs to baptism in jordan river to become gods friend - not the ark. (see my post, not the last one, the one before that) but again, thats jus personal opinion, not trying to debate it with anyone.

- as for the picture that Gina posted up, michael with what appears to be a bride, this reminds me of what i have read in revelation about christs bride being adorned for him. (not that it is a literal bride) i wonder if this is what MJ was trying to illude in this picture, again giving ammunition for some to think he is archangel / ark / next christ, etc, or give ammunition to think, he thinks he is archangel / ark / next christ....


Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on June 27, 2012, 09:33:58 PM
Bec
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For those who don't believe MJ is more then just a mortal man, I believe that at least MJ believes he is more then just that. The lyrics of Cry make it quite clear themselves, particularly the chorus:

"You can change the world/I can't do it by myself,
You can touch the sky/gonna take somebody's help,
You're the chosen one/I'm gonna need some kind of sign"
Bec, I agree.  And it is also a strong proof for me that Back, Front, TS, The Sign are all MJ or someone together with MJ, because they all agree on this subtle topic. Fakers don't go near this subject.

And Aussie your post #135 is very good!  I'm glad this aspect is being talked about instead of denying that he is claiming this.

For me that is precisely the kind of challenge of MJ--namely, is what he thinks of himself, what the actual truth is. In other words, is it what the Creator of the Universe has in mind for a fulfillment of Scripture, and for our planet, or are the public right in saying he was a has-been gifted eccentric.

Then there are those that would even claim the Illuminati are preparing Michael to be the Anti-Christ or false Messiah to appear in the clouds via holograms (project blue-beam). Which I don't believe is true, but I thought about that possibility.

It brings to mind the fact that many Christians have said about Jesus, that he was either telling the truth about who he was, or he was deluded and only THOUGHT he was the Messiah, the Christ.  Now if MJ only thinks he is Special, then it is indeed sad,  BUT what IF he is telling the truth. The religious leaders who knew Old testament well, did not understand when he came the first time, but do all the religious leaders of our day understand any better the grand truths.   I do believe that MJ is saying that he is the Messiah subtley, and is NOT denying it. Much more could be written on this subject.   Front/TS/MJ have all said the history books will change and be re-written.   I believe this special identity (or believing it) was a SECRET that MJ carried inside himself, that he would/could never talk about openly, but only express poetically and symbolically throughout his life.  I believe Katherine knows as well, and she carries this quietly.

Schmuley said that MJ had a messiah complex –meaning he thought he was the Messiah. In a video that I posted a while back of Bashir, he says that many fans consider Michael to be some kind of a Messiah (which he thought was ridiculous). Randy Philips said he thought MJ was the most Christ-like person he had ever met.  Jarvis Cocker went on stage to protest because he thought it was offensive that MJ was saying he was Jesus in the Brit awards. Yes, and paintings he commissioned of himself as Jesus or Messiah. There are countless other snippets of ways/places. Of course MJ publicly said about 5 times that he was not Jesus, but only trying to be ‘LIKE’ Jesus. Interesting that The Sign stresses the word ‘like’ as well.  It’s an VERY interesting way he describes the comparison.

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Finally, we need to understand what the name “Michael” means (see Hebrew #4317). The last part, El, means “God” (see Hebrew #410; Matthew 27:41). Today, the name Michael is frequently abbreviated as “Mike”; and with just one letter changed, you have the word “like.” The full name, Michael, means “like God”—or one who is like God; Jesus could sit on the throne, just “like God” (the Father). And this is exactly what Lucifer wanted; he planned to usurp the position of Michael the archangel, and become “like the most High” (like God).

I just don't know in all honesty where this leaves Front/TS/The Sign in everyone's mind. It makes him a sad, deluded but genius, character for some.  I've really agonized over this for 3 years, and I really believe there's something Special there, though I admit I could be mistaken and duped.  Nobody wants to be deceived or gullible.

In my heart I do not see a bearded sandal & robe-wearing Caucasian Jesus appearing in the clouds the way the Bible describes and Christians expect. I believe there are other layers to the Bible that connect to ancient Egypt and UFO and ET involvement.  I think MJ knows things mankind doesn't know about our future.  I believe God's got unusual unexpected twists to the story, and those who think they know may be very surprised. 

So finally, I will say that I totally respect all of you who reject MJ/Messiah thinking, and can understand it.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: SimPattyK on June 27, 2012, 09:39:02 PM
@MJonmind  :bearhug:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Andrea on June 27, 2012, 09:42:43 PM
MJonmind, I agree with a lot of what you've said and with what Aussie and others have said.

I also wonder about Front/TS/The Sign and MJ.  It's all connected, I'm pretty sure most can agree that much is so.  MJ may not be the Messiah but he could be a chosen one of sorts.  Like Ron Wyatt maybe.  How would he have been able to find the physical evidence of Biblical stories if he had not been chosen?  I think there could be some people in the world who have roles they are/were destined to fulfill.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 27, 2012, 09:47:20 PM
mjonmind, i want to thank you for sharing your incredibly perfonal feelings about this. i know its hard.. though you and i differ on opnion here, i can assure you this is the one area i am stuggling with at the moment and it often agonises me, because it goes against what i know and feel in my heart about jesus. my heart goes out to you and if its any consolation, we are in a similar situation with our feelings and emotions on this. 

 :bearhug:


NB: i always imagine that when MJ/TS/Front talk about history books that he is speaking of wiki, encyclopeadeas, obituraries, news articles that will need to retracted and rewritten after DH is revealed and all notices and mentions of MJs death will need to be edited... dunno. could be wrong....  i also have to disagree on your comment on Katherine.


but the main reason I replied was to say i feel for you and understand... its the same thing i am trying to work out, regards to how i feel and think about it... and its a doosie and plays with my head at times too...

Love to you x
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on June 27, 2012, 09:58:09 PM
@ bec, you were right the other day when you mentioned math and being the most logical / reliable / predictable part of the hoax. i thought of the points we are currently discussing in this thread, when i read that comment of yours in the other thread earlier this week...


math = easy to accept
evidence = easy to accept
facts = easy to accept
trial debunking = easy to accept

throw religion / god / ET's / bible interpretation.... well.. thats when it gets messy and difficult for me....

 :over-react-smiley:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on June 27, 2012, 09:59:53 PM
I think we are all, collective, a whole lot more in agreement then disagreement on this subject.

My thoughts on Jesus Christ are less religious and more historical/sociological so believe it or not, I do tend to agree with you, MJonmind, on the minor details of this theory.

I concede the possibility that in 200 years, people just might be worshiping MJ as the new age deity and JC will be the stuff of old legend like Moses.

Crazy, I know.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on June 27, 2012, 10:00:24 PM
Ps. @Aussie, yes that's why I love math ever so.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on June 28, 2012, 12:36:49 AM
Andrea
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MJ may not be the Messiah but he could be a chosen one of sorts.  Like Ron Wyatt maybe.  How would he have been able to find the physical evidence of Biblical stories if he had not been chosen?  I think there could be some people in the world who have roles they are/were destined to fulfill.

Initially, I thought Ron Wyatt was just a quack/fraudster. And the way he described his arm jerking out from his side pointing to where the Ark was located made me just laugh. The blood with half the chromosomes was just plain silly—like who could make this stuff up. And then TS comes along and says it’s supposed to be true.  Talk about my eyeballs going boing out of my head!  So as I read and examined everything, I started thinking maybe it could have happened.  So if RW’s story is true, then that most certainly is a miraculous sign. Is it from Satan, and he’s only discovered a fake Ark for deceiving the nations, OR is it from God the Creator.  Most Christians aren’t expecting the Ark to have any play in end-times.

I think that MJ is going to have to ultimately provide some clearly supernatural elements to provide the convincing signs that he is called from God, and it can’t just be clever technology, genius human creativity, or demonic signs and wonders.  Was the announcement of the revealing of the Ark of the Covenant by the Ethiopian priest, and MJ’s hoax death on the same day, a coincidence, a planned aspect by MJ, or possibly a sign from God.   IDK  We’ll have to wait and see if supernatural events are forth-coming.

Bec
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I concede the possibility that in 200 years, people just might be worshiping MJ as the new age deity and JC will be the stuff of old legend like Moses.
Yes, I could too. The new Following would join the thousands of other world religions/cults/beliefs whatever you want to call them.

I find it interesting that there could/would be so many reactions to MJ having a Special calling:

Athiests don’t believe there’s a divine being in charge, or guiding history, or that the Bible is God’s message to mankind. They think the future could go in any direction, and that mankind can evolve to create a better world for themselves. Correct me if that’s inaccurate. So if MJ claims to be the Messiah, to them it really is either a joke or a human arising to help the planet.  No real problem to them if he claims to be another Jesus type.

Muslims expect the Madhi or a Muslim Messiah, which is a different coming anointed One. Christians would say theirs is a false one, and Muslims would say the Christian type is false, and round it goes.  So for Muslim, they would strongly reject MJ as Messiah because MJ apparently did not convert to Islam, and certainly MJ, Front and TS seem to only quote from the Bible.

Hindus, Buddhists, and misc. faiths would likely reject MJ as their own chosen One, if he is not teaching their group’s doctrine. Just guessing.

General Theists those who believe in a Creator but reject any of the main religions as being the only way, would likely have little or no problem with MJ claiming special status, and would just wait and see.

Some MJ fans are so in love with him, that for them he is Everything, no matter what anyone says to the contrary. He is their 'Messiah' already.

Orthodox devout Christians are the group that would have the most difficulty with MJ as a Messiah, because they feel they already have one, who doesn’t seem to look anything like MJ. Their Jesus is not replaceable; the position is not open for applicants. They would probably get quite angry about it even, the ones I know and my family. The Bible (Jesus) teaches that there will be many claiming to be the Christ in End times, in addition to the ultra bad claim of the Anti-Christ himself.  Over the 2 thousand years since Jesus, there have probably been thousands of people who have claimed some kind of special status, like prophet, seer, messiah, or whatever. They have ALL eventually died and most are forgotten. MJ’s not getting any younger himself. I don’t think any of these wannabe prophets/messiahs can hold a candle to the worldwide status and clout MJ has though.
In addition, most Christians probably reject Ron Wyatt’s claims as well IDK.

So it’s all going to boil down to what MJ has planned to do in the future, such as this BAM, and what it all involves. The Sign links the Ark to End Times, and subtley to MJ, and I feel Front/TS/Back link BAM to End Times or EOW.  It all seems inter-related in this hoax, at least that’s how I read it.  It’s going to be interesting the next months/years.  Absolutely ANYTHING can happen, and I will for sure Keep Watching!  I believe in the Bible and I don't in a way; I'm open to possibilities. Mostly I listen to what my heart tells me as I read, observe, experience.  What if EVERYTHING we've been taught in history is a lie, and we humans have been toyed with.  I'm literally choosing to trust MJ in this, because I don't have confidence in any other current  'end time' options. But that's just me. Should I find out in the end that MJ was just putting on a fabulous show, The Greatest Show on Earth, then I will enjoy it, do my happy dancing, and then move on from there with my life...ease on down the road. Know what I mean?  :D  I won't have lost anything!! :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile

Gina, the kitty in that picture is very wise! :icon_lol:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: GINAFELICIA on June 28, 2012, 04:35:41 AM
I don't know what to believe. It is possible that Michael is The chosen one, it is possible that he is not, but it is possible that he is.
But I think of another scenario:

Maybe Michael made a goal for himself to be as much like God as he could, to raise above his human condition and follow Jesus' demand that we should all try to be perfect like our Father in Heaven is perfect. And maybe Michael tried to cultivate this perfection until the point where he started to believe in it.
Maybe he just tried to apply that saying "Fake it, fake it until you make it".
Maybe he casted himself in that role in real life, like for example I would say: from tomorrow I will be a doctor, and start believing with all my being that I am a doctor. Hence his feelings that he is the chosen one.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Andrea on June 28, 2012, 07:50:23 AM
MJonmind:

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Initially, I thought Ron Wyatt was just a quack/fraudster. And the way he described his arm jerking out from his side pointing to where the Ark was located made me just laugh. The blood with half the chromosomes was just plain silly—like who could make this stuff up. And then TS comes along and says it’s supposed to be true.  Talk about my eyeballs going boing out of my head!  So as I read and examined everything, I started thinking maybe it could have happened.  So if RW’s story is true, then that most certainly is a miraculous sign. Is it from Satan, and he’s only discovered a fake Ark for deceiving the nations, OR is it from God the Creator.  Most Christians aren’t expecting the Ark to have any play in end-times.

If RW's discoveries are true, I think it would be because God allowed and guided him.  I don't think it was from Satan because if that were the case, I think the Catholic church would've supported RW's findings and everyone would think all the evidences were real and not just a handful of people who believe it now.

Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on June 28, 2012, 10:30:13 AM
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I don't know what to believe. It is possible that Michael is The chosen one, it is possible that he is not, but it is possible that he is.
But I think of another scenario:

Maybe Michael made a goal for himself to be as much like God as he could, to raise above his human condition and follow Jesus' demand that we should all try to be perfect like our Father in Heaven is perfect. And maybe Michael tried to cultivate this perfection until the point where he started to believe in it.
Maybe he just tried to apply that saying "Fake it, fake it until you make it".
Maybe he casted himself in that role in real life, like for example I would say: from tomorrow I will be a doctor, and start believing with all my being that I am a doctor. Hence his feelings that he is the chosen one.

Interesting theory! And maybe his efforts cause him to break through with God, to convince God, to change history/destiny, to become what he seeks, to become the fulfillment of prophecy. God is outside time, and saw MJ from the beginning of time. :moonwalk_:  I've heard it said that the Illuminati are trying to enact the Revelation end-time scenario, and thus perhaps they and their action actually become the fulfillment of the prophecy.

This reminds me of Men in Black 3, where Will Smith goes back in time, and changes things positively for the future which is actually the present. :icon_geek: :icon_e_confused: :icon_lol:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: SimPattyK on June 28, 2012, 05:31:54 PM
2 videos about how Michael thinks and feels about God in relation to his talent.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwIqb233rRw&feature=share[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lS4vaWf9DWI[/youtube]
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Dontwalkaway on July 02, 2012, 08:17:23 AM
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I don't know what to believe. It is possible that Michael is The chosen one, it is possible that he is not, but it is possible that he is.
But I think of another scenario:

Maybe Michael made a goal for himself to be as much like God as he could, to raise above his human condition and follow Jesus' demand that we should all try to be perfect like our Father in Heaven is perfect. And maybe Michael tried to cultivate this perfection until the point where he started to believe in it.
Maybe he just tried to apply that saying "Fake it, fake it until you make it".
Maybe he casted himself in that role in real life, like for example I would say: from tomorrow I will be a doctor, and start believing with all my being that I am a doctor. Hence his feelings that he is the chosen one.

Interesting theory! And maybe his efforts cause him to break through with God, to convince God, to change history/destiny, to become what he seeks, to become the fulfillment of prophecy. God is outside time, and saw MJ from the beginning of time. :moonwalk_:  I've heard it said that the Illuminati are trying to enact the Revelation end-time scenario, and thus perhaps they and their action actually become the fulfillment of the prophecy.

This reminds me of Men in Black 3, where Will Smith goes back in time, and changes things positively for the future which is actually the present. :icon_geek: :icon_e_confused: :icon_lol:

Yes it seems that the illuminati is trying to fulfill prophecy and so is MJ and friends.  How this all works is something that I can't even attempt to figure out.  It does seem, however; that the illuminati is following evil/devil/satan and MJ is following God. 
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: hesouttamylife on July 02, 2012, 12:08:16 PM
I agree also that Michael might think that he is the chosen one.  And I also think he could be myself.  Its interesting that most of us feel that when we ask for miracles that we expect them to be granted by God in the flesh.  Real miracles do happen, even now.  I believe that God uses chosen human beings to work through and for him and he does give them special gifts to use to bring about those miracles.   For Michael, Michael is the perfect candidate.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on July 02, 2012, 03:51:47 PM
Back's "Of a tHeOrY or a Vision":
SIGN #1: THE FINAL ARK OF SAFETY (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=56.msg148#msg148)

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Physically--no more, but with us in an eternal Angelic presence. We witnessed the beginning of this transfer on 7/7 of this historical year.

As History has shown, reflected through the books and logics of many faiths, Prophets do and have walked amongst us. They have sometimes been Angels in the temporary casts of both tIME and human flesh. And in their allotted tIME, their purposes have most often been message DeLIVErance.

In the separation of major tIME factions in our planetary HiStory, specifically Birth of Christ (BC) To nearly 2009 years post his physical exit (AD), there's only one other Worldly figure that has been bestowed the powers to reach EVERY corner of the globe. And that Heavenly Gift was the Incomparable Michael Jackson.

2+5, The days of Christ and Michael
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Back clearly equates MJ as angelic and equal to Jesus. Front continues same message. The Sign is more subtle but trying to prove Jesus is Scripturally Michael the Archangel. MJ says it in his poems, lyrics, paintings, etc.

Why do many readily believe that Jesus could be human and divine? To the people that lived around him at that time, he was a seeming ordinary man with parents, siblings, and likely occupation as a carpenter for at least a decade.  The "Jews" most interestingly, completely reject that he was divine.  If Jesus hadn't already been a focal point for the largest following, then MJ would be just as likely a candidate. It is also interesting that Egyptian mythology has a savior that lists most of the same credentials as Jesus, and Krishna bears resemblence to Jesus, as if after Jesus' ascention he traveled to India. Who really knows for sure.  We only THINK we know, or church theologians think they have everything figured out.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Sarahli on July 02, 2012, 03:56:13 PM
In Islam Jesus is seen as a human being/prophet who performed miracles by God's leave.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on July 02, 2012, 05:56:15 PM
MJonmind got a good debate point there.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on July 02, 2012, 08:11:34 PM
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MJonmind got a good debate point there.
:icon_lol: as long as I'm not a trouble-maker!  I don't want to upset anyone. :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: bec on July 02, 2012, 08:45:52 PM
Speaking for myself, I think this is one of the best conversations we've ever had on the subject.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: GINAFELICIA on July 03, 2012, 12:56:49 AM
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Back's "Of a tHeOrY or a Vision":
SIGN #1: THE FINAL ARK OF SAFETY (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=56.msg148#msg148)

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Physically--no more, but with us in an eternal Angelic presence. We witnessed the beginning of this transfer on 7/7 of this historical year.

As History has shown, reflected through the books and logics of many faiths, Prophets do and have walked amongst us. They have sometimes been Angels in the temporary casts of both tIME and human flesh. And in their allotted tIME, their purposes have most often been message DeLIVErance.

In the separation of major tIME factions in our planetary HiStory, specifically Birth of Christ (BC) To nearly 2009 years post his physical exit (AD), there's only one other Worldly figure that has been bestowed the powers to reach EVERY corner of the globe. And that Heavenly Gift was the Incomparable Michael Jackson.

2+5, The days of Christ and Michael
.

Back clearly equates MJ as angelic and equal to Jesus. Front continues same message. The Sign is more subtle but trying to prove Jesus is Scripturally Michael the Archangel. MJ says it in his poems, lyrics, paintings, etc.

Why do many readily believe that Jesus could be human and divine? To the people that lived around him at that time, he was a seeming ordinary man with parents, siblings, and likely occupation as a carpenter for at least a decade.  The "Jews" most interestingly, completely reject that he was divine.  If Jesus hadn't already been a focal point for the largest following, then MJ would be just as likely a candidate. It is also interesting that Egyptian mythology has a savior that lists most of the same credentials as Jesus, and Krishna bears resemblence to Jesus, as if after Jesus' ascention he traveled to India. Who really knows for sure.  We only THINK we know, or church theologians think they have everything figured out.

That Physically--no more is still scary to me.
But I agree with the rest of your thoughts and connections in this post above.
With Michael Jackson I am never sure how am I supposed to think/feel about him. There are moments when I feel like I have all rights to tease him and even make (loving) jokes about him and there are other moments when I feel it's a sin to not bow in front of him and not worship him as some sort of God, moments when this religious feeling about him keeps coming back, like he is some sort of saint and I am at the most  worthy to kiss his feet.
I am tired of putting him up on the pedestal and taking him down all  the time... I wish I could make a decision about that  :over-react-smiley: !! :icon_evil:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on July 03, 2012, 04:37:29 AM
I was just over at RK's  MJ memorial thread, and thought this quote should go here.

Marlon
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We will never understand what he endured. Being judged, ridiculed. How much pain can one take.
 Michael was the voice of our angelic trumpets and he will continue to be the voice, the angelic voice nearest the creator.
 The Lord has a purpose for everything. Sometimes we can't see it or understand it...But it will be made clear to us.

Remember The Sign talked about Michael the Archangel being:
--nearest God on the throne, not standing like the other angels.
--the Voice resurrecting the dead.

and 4 more signs so, "it will be made clear to us".
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 14, 2012, 07:16:49 AM
completely disagree, but not upset at all. freedom of speech / opinion / religious belief is very important to me. not a trouble maker MJonind  :bearhug:

regarding the sign #1 quote - these are the ones i have trouble digesting at times... still reviewing deciding what i think / feel about these, i have to admit.

its the only thing i struggle with in the hoax right now... but sticking with it. time will reveal truth, i am sure of that.


Looking FWD to another post TS .... Same to you Front!  :smiley_abuv:
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Dontwalkaway on July 14, 2012, 04:12:26 PM
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I was just over at RK's  MJ memorial thread, and thought this quote should go here.

Marlon
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We will never understand what he endured. Being judged, ridiculed. How much pain can one take.
 Michael was the voice of our angelic trumpets and he will continue to be the voice, the angelic voice nearest the creator.
 The Lord has a purpose for everything. Sometimes we can't see it or understand it...But it will be made clear to us.

Remember The Sign talked about Michael the Archangel being:
--nearest God on the throne, not standing like the other angels.
--the Voice resurrecting the dead.

and 4 more signs so, "it will be made clear to us".

Thanks for posting this quote MJonMind I don't think I heard/saw it before.  I like what he said about the angelic voice nearest the creator.    It will be made clear to us in four more signs.  I can hardly wait.  I think maybe it is following the creators calendar and the feasts and festival dates.   The last post was on the day of Pentecost.  I read that July 17 or 18 is first fruits but I'm not sure about it.  After that the next holiday is Roshashanah on September 17.  Doesn't the BAD25 album come out on September 18 ?   It seem's like we have to wait for these appointed dates.  I'm reading them off my calendar.  I don't know if they are correct because there is a debate about the correct calendar.

Maybe we should look for something on or near these dates:

July 17 or 18, Feast of First Fruits   
September 17, Roshashanah-Trumpets 
September 26, Yom Kippur   
October 1, Sukkot-Tabernacles 

Love You All    ;)

There are two 17's up there.  Remember all the 17's and 71's ?   71 ambulance number.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: hesouttamylife on July 14, 2012, 04:35:27 PM
I do believe that Michael was sent here for a reason, and that he was born into that family that was full of grace, spirituality and discipline on purpose.  They would be considered a poor but closely knit family, which allowed Michael to learn compassion and how to share with others, not to be selfish.  He was his mother’s favorite and they had a tight bond, which taught him unconditional love.  His father had a firm hand, which taught him commitment and the importance of being the best, doing that which others considered impossible, and holding his head high no matter what.  In that vein, I do believe that Michael was chosen to lead us.  He was given all the tools he needed and he used them better than anyone else could have.  He remained level headed and true to his tasks and never allowed anyone or anything to sway him.  Only God could have made him so perfectly fitting.  His beauty is not the vision seen from the outside but the beauty that seeped out of every pore of his body when he was befriending a child or a homeless person or doing any deed that was close to his heart.  It seems that through Michael’s eyes you could see his heart.  Beautiful.  I always think about the parable that a child shall lead them.  I will always believe that child is and was Michael Jackson.  Whether he is Arch Angel Michael, or Earth Michael Angel to me doesn’t matter.  He did good works and that speaks for itself.
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Dontwalkaway on July 14, 2012, 06:55:25 PM
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I do believe that Michael was sent here for a reason, and that he was born into that family that was full of grace, spirituality and discipline on purpose.  They would be considered a poor but closely knit family, which allowed Michael to learn compassion and how to share with others, not to be selfish.  He was his mother’s favorite and they had a tight bond, which taught him unconditional love.  His father had a firm hand, which taught him commitment and the importance of being the best, doing that which others considered impossible, and holding his head high no matter what.  In that vein, I do believe that Michael was chosen to lead us.  He was given all the tools he needed and he used them better than anyone else could have.  He remained level headed and true to his tasks and never allowed anyone or anything to sway him.  Only God could have made him so perfectly fitting.  His beauty is not the vision seen from the outside but the beauty that seeped out of every pore of his body when he was befriending a child or a homeless person or doing any deed that was close to his heart.  It seems that through Michael’s eyes you could see his heart.  Beautiful.  I always think about the parable that a child shall lead them.  I will always believe that child is and was Michael Jackson.  Whether he is Arch Angel Michael, or Earth Michael Angel to me doesn’t matter.  He did good works and that speaks for itself.

Beautiful post hesouttamylife.  I agree.  What to call it doesn't matter to me either.  All of the good works and deeds are what is important.  They are saying prophet/angel/archangel and I don't doubt it.  I am praying and hoping for it really.   

 

 
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: Dontwalkaway on July 14, 2012, 07:00:12 PM
I was just thinking about July 17 or 18 which is only three or four days away.  I think there is a Unity Tour concert at that time also.    Michael if you see this know that we love you so much and appreciate you so much.  I hope you are not in danger but I'm thinking you have everything covered and taken care of.

Love You
Title: Re: TIAI May 27
Post by: MJonmind on July 15, 2012, 04:34:42 AM
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I do believe that Michael was sent here for a reason, and that he was born into that family that was full of grace, spirituality and discipline on purpose.  They would be considered a poor but closely knit family, which allowed Michael to learn compassion and how to share with others, not to be selfish.  He was his mother’s favorite and they had a tight bond, which taught him unconditional love.  His father had a firm hand, which taught him commitment and the importance of being the best, doing that which others considered impossible, and holding his head high no matter what.  In that vein, I do believe that Michael was chosen to lead us.  He was given all the tools he needed and he used them better than anyone else could have.  He remained level headed and true to his tasks and never allowed anyone or anything to sway him.  Only God could have made him so perfectly fitting.  His beauty is not the vision seen from the outside but the beauty that seeped out of every pore of his body when he was befriending a child or a homeless person or doing any deed that was close to his heart.  It seems that through Michael’s eyes you could see his heart.  Beautiful.  I always think about the parable that a child shall lead them.  I will always believe that child is and was Michael Jackson.  Whether he is Arch Angel Michael, or Earth Michael Angel to me doesn’t matter.  He did good works and that speaks for itself.
Nice post!
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