Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Welcome! => MJDHI Announcements => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on May 29, 2012, 09:29:46 PM
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After all the negative stuff happening lately, I have to say something and change some things. I almost closed down the forum if it wasn't for a few members that talked me out of it. I noticed lately that people are all getting a little weary and cranky. Same with me.
(That doesn't mean by the way that I made decisions on the forum recently only because of that. As always, there is a story behind everything and I just sent curls a long reply after she implied that I like to cause drama in public. I don't, I am disgusted by the drama, but sometimes I have to. I have tried to explain curls that you NEVER make the right decision as an admin, and that even though it sometimes looks like an issue comes up on the forum out of the blue, it doesn't mean it's something new that hasn't been playing for months or years already. Anyway, I am not going to discuss that further on here since I want to leave it behind us. Those who are interested can PM me. I told curls that I don't lie and if I can, I will always explain everything to those who will bother to ask me in person, instead of starting to discuss my actions behind my back. So please if ANYTHING is going on, if there are problems either with me or with another member, let me know.)
Anyway, I hope we can all get a little more positive. People told me that my mood as an admin affects people on the board. I hope that's not the case because I have so many problems in real life at the moment, that it's hard for me to keep that smile up constantly. But I saw voice being mad at bec about something I didn't really understand, Gina being hurt by a fellow member that sent her something very hurtful in PM (she didn't want me to address it, but I had to say something about that) and I have talked to many in PM the last couple of weeks who all felt weary, depressed, negative, emotional etc. It's not strange, it has been 35 months and it has been intense. And we're still not there yet. I understand the feeling of doubt and impatience. And I know that I haven't been little miss sunshine either but I want to make it clear that that is NOT because I think Michael won't bam, or because I think Michael is dead. Absolutely not, I still hold the same beliefs as I have been for the last three years. I just don't feel very good at the moment, please take that into account if one of my posts sounds negative. It has nothing to do with the hoax itself.
Anyway, someone suggested (I think it was RK) to close the forum for a few days so we could all take a mini-break. I don't mind, if the majority would think that is a good idea, I can do that. So let me know your thoughts on that.
Then we have the issue with the trolls. That Scream member is someone that shouldn't run into me in the streets, because if there is one thing that REALLY pisses me off, it's when people call me a nazi or a Hitler-lover. My grandfather was captured by the nazi's in WWII and was almost beaten to death, causing brain damage that made him blind for the rest of his life. My country has a history with the Nazi's and I will react stronger against people like that. That means that trolls like that get too much attention they don't deserve, so a solution was needed, because I get the feeling that (like Grace mentioned) more and more trolls will attack in the near future and I want to stay sane. So from now on, we have a new mod-team. I am still waiting for some people to reply, but so far we have:
Andrea
BeTheChange
lilwendy
MaryK
MJonmind
paula-c
RK
wishingstar
Of course bec and Forstamoon are still mods as well.
This is a variety of members. I can not imagine that there are members on here that dislike all of them or think neither of the mods can think for themselves. All of them will have the power to lock threads, delete posts and ban members and I trust every single one of them will be objective enough to make a decision like that. This way it's not just bec and me that make the decisions, but about a quarter of the people that is online on a daily basis will be able to make decisions to keep the board clean. Most of them have been here since the beginning or have shown to be objective. I can't see anyone having a problem with this list.
When the trolls keep coming we need to make sure we have each other's back. Even though there has been a lot of negativity, we should try to support each other like Grace mentioned. And no, we shouldn't always ignore, sometimes we need to fight back. Just not too long, it's not worth the energy.
Last request: please look at the menu on top. There are functions not used by people. The gallery, the news section (please post any article worth a mention there), the downloads for important documents, links if you have useful ones, use the calendar etc. Also, I would like people to ask the blog function more. SimpattyK, you have a lot of posts that belong in the blog section instead of on the forum. Please use it more. Lots of posts are not really posts to discuss and would do fine in the blog section.
Okay, I might have forgotten something, I will add later if I remember. Let's try to keep each other's heads above water and cheer each other up. I almost saw Gema and Gina fighting because of a misunderstanding. As long as we keep talking to each other, we will be fine and make it to the other side. I remember someone having that signature that we shouldn't worry because Michael is our driver and will bring us home safely, but I heard he's an aweful driver, which is maybe why the ride is so bumpy. I might be online a little less the next couple of weeks to deal with stuff in real life. If anyone wants to help out or contribute in any way (by keeping up with the news section for example, or to fill the links page), let me know.
Thanks
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Thanks Souza. Good idea having extra mods to help with the workload.
I hope everything will be Ok for you.
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You don't have an easy job Souza and it's perfectly understandable to want to take a break when you need one. You do an amazing job as our admin but you're right, not everyone is going to like all of your decisions. I guess that's just the way it is. You definitely deserve a non-moldy cake at the end of this all!
I don't know if it's necessary to shut the forum down for a few days with all the new mods - we got your back and can keep the house clean if you need a break. We're here to lift some weight off your shoulders, bec's too. But it's up to you, perhaps a break for a few days will be good for everyone. Selfishly, I don't want the forum shut down for any length of time but I'll be fine without it. (although I'll miss it!)
There has been some negativity here lately, I don't feed it but I definitely see it. This hoax has been a long term commitment for many of us and no BAM yet can be discouraging for some. I think this is an individual test of faith for everyone. The hoax is what you make of it and if someone chooses to be negative all the time, then it's not going to be enjoyable experience for them. I'm generally a positive person so I suppose I've had an easier journey than some. I don't like fighting or arguing so I avoid that sort of thing, and I've never had problems in PM. Basically what I'm saying is my perspective of this drama is from the outside, as I've never been directly involved. I do see it though, it seems to come in waves.
I'll understand and respect whatever you decide Souza. Take care of yourself and thank you for doing what you do!
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Thank you Souza for taking the time to address some issues and for doing it very candidly. We've often compared this place to a home...and I view Souza as the 'mom' lol...probably because I am a mom myself and I see a lot of similar circumstances/decisions/problems that she has to deal with running the 'house' as I do with my own. It's a very demanding job...physically, mentally and emotionally...and you're often the one 'working' while everyone else is having fun or causing problems (which then requires a shift in work duties lol). But you keep on working because you've poured your blood, sweat and tears into it all. It's also a very thankless job...sure, there are moments of appreciation and sincere gratitude shown to you....but overall, it's not the highest praising job in the world lol. But you do it anyway...because something inside you tells you it's all worth it.
The 'vibe' lately has shifted in the 'house'....and I do know that some are feeling like perhaps a break is needed. And if that is the case, then a break should be taken. It is better to step away from something if it is bringing you negativity....likewise, it's best to step away if the only thing you can bring to something is negativity. There's nothing wrong with taking a break...for a day, a week, or a month....or even just from a post that is causing you to feel and/or respond in negativity. I've taken breaks along the way...times when I've felt 'off' and didn't feel like I could add anything positive because I was just so bogged down with other 'stuff'....we ALL have a life outside this forum. It doesn't even have to be an announced break...although I would worry about some of you if you just stopped coming around without a word. But I don't think the forum needs to be shut down in order for those that need a break to take one.
As Andrea said...the extra mods will (hopefully) be able to hold down the fort should Souza or bec decide they need a break...now or at any time. It, most definitely, has not been an easy journey....and we may still have several months ahead of us before we reach that destination. Let's try to help each other get there with as few 'bumps' as possible...while not losing sight of what got us to where we are right now.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Don't close.
If anyone needs a break they need to be woman or man enough to determine that for themselves. Those who don't need a break don't need one imposed upon them. Self responsibility, we can all muster it. We are a good group.
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Souza you have done an amazing job here, for a very long time too, and it is BY FAR the most informative and interesting hoax forum there is available. However, I can appreciate you needing to take a break. With the increase in moderator numbers there are enough people here to deal with the a*seholes whose seemingly only function is to initiate chaos.
I know there are times I don't want to be here so I stay well away. As adults we should all be able to make that call when we feel something is bringing us down.
Agree, I think the Forum should stay open.
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Actually, it was me who said a hoax- detox could be possibly a good thing for many of us, but finished the sentence with I hope you decide not to do it. So even I am against shutting the forum to read only for a few days. I thought I could sense that Souza was pretty much exhausted, [ seems I wasn't too far off the mark as she said she nearly shut down]...The mini break was an idea to take the pressure down.....I had pictures of us all walking out into the sunshine and fresh air and snapping out of whatever angst and negativity that was going on at the time by the change of environment. So, yes, Bec, I think we [ meaning those who need to] can all be mature enough to at least balance our lives better. Lets be honest...it's not been an easy gig to keep work, family, house and garden, and friends + hoax land going in this 3 year long juggling act. Tired people can be vulnerable to emotional outbursts.
With all the new mods, I hope things will be easier with the upkeep of our house. Many hands make light work my Mum used to say. And yes...we will do our best to stay more positive.
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Hi. I vote for the site to remain open.
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Thank you Souza for your excellent choice of mods and as bec said, everyone is mature enough to decide to take a break or not when the hoax is impacting real life. Thanks to all new mods for stepping in and helping us!
I am absolutely convinced we will make it and everything will turn out fine.
Maybe we can try to drink a cup of tea before replying to a post that clicks our emotional buttons and use PM more often when we need to address a subject to only one person.
I really don't think we need to close the forum. It is our time to shine and we can do that.
Best wishes to you, Souza, and a truckload of thank you for your dedication and never ending contributions.
This goes to everybody here, especially the weary:
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My hat is off to you Souza, for taking on such a humongous project for almost 3 years! :th_bravo:
I really do wish you the relaxation, health, and time to take care of matters in your personal life. God's blessings on you and yours!
I really believe what you're doing may be of epic importance for MJ and for the world, who knows exactly!
I naturally don't want the forum to be closed for breaks, but if sometime down the road you decide it's best, then my suggestion would be perhaps that it would be well announced ahead of time so people who have been away for a week or to aren't caught off guard and panic. Perhaps if the forum was closed for 3 or 4 days every few weeks or month on a regular schedule, so we know ahead of time and everyone is confident things will be okay. The worst thing for me has been the times in the past when there were sudden crashes and huge unexpected changes. It caused me a lot of stress so I couldn't even enjoy doing all the other things I needed to do in life--I was so worried that it was the end. Well those are some of my thoughts. I don't stress too much about fighting on the forum, since I generally try to back away from that, if it gets too hot. The only time I'm really sad is when members that I appreciate, get into a spat with someone and leave. Oh and also it really frosts me when people are attacking and slandering you Souza. :icon_evil: We here will be your defenders. This is our online home all together! :beerchug:
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This is a long and sometimes weary path we are on, as we journey towards the truth with all its twists and turns! We have been on this road approaching 3 year now, if individual members need to take a break to recharge their batteries that is a good thing, but its up to the individual to make their own decision and step away from the keyboard :Crash:
I personally really appreciate that this forum is available, and the time and effort and committment it must take to keep it running, it must be draining at times. I hope that with the extra mods will give you more time and space to deal with your own life challenges Souza and I truly hope that you will soon be feeling less pressured.
Although I dont post much these days on the forum, I do read daily and continue my research.
With love and respect to you, it carnt have been easy for you on this journey, but be assurred we have your back!
:bearhug: :bearhug: :th_bravo:
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I think it's been said already, but I'll say it again: we do appreciate all you do Souza (and all the mods) and I think more mods is definitely going to help.
Looking forward to a more positive board for all!
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Just sending my L.O.V.E to all.....and letting you know that I am still here too but don't have enough time to help out with the forum at the moment...
Souza, I admire your courage and hard work. I would have never been able to do what you have done.
This place has been my 2nd family for nearly 3 years now...I can assure you...it's not going away.
We may never know how, when or why Michael had to hoax his death.......but I'm sure all of us here have a common goal.
We will continue this adventure TOGETHER...God bless to you Souza and enjoy your time away. I will be thinking of you and praying that everything will be ok in your personal life..
:'( :'( :'(
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[...]SimpattyK, you have a lot of posts that belong in the blog section instead of on the forum. Please use it more. [....]
Ok Souza.
Stupid me, now I finally understood what was the blog created for.
I won't be bothering you here on the forum, promise.
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Souza you already know how I feel about you.....how could you forget my long winded PM :) It's been a long 3 years, everyone is just tired. Bec you said it best, if anyone needs a break let them determine this on their own. I think the extra help with the new mods is a great idea. All REALLY great people! Souza, I hope life goes smoother for you here and home. You deserve only the best :bearhug:
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First of all Souza, please take your time needed to settle things in real life, which is the basic stuff that needs to be rebalanced. There will be better times, I'm sure :bearhug:
Thank you mods and new mods for your work.
I don't think we need to close the forum either. I think each of us could take a personal short break now and then to clear our minds, a sort of "mind reset" lol, and return with a more objective view on things (it works with me anyways :icon_e_wink:).
I still have faith and I'm happy to be on this journey, even when the road gets bumpy sometimes :icon_bounce: , it's all for L.O.V.E.
with LOVE always
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i hope the website will not be closed! if some1 need a "holiday",they can do it the same.... every day,i need 2 bring myself up 2 date with the latest news (even if there have been some periods during which i've been abroad or busy and during which i didn't join the forum every day) and i think many members need 2..... admin's point of view is understandable:maybe (surely?),she needs an help:the members r too many and sometimes they have problem with each other and i think it's normal....;obviously,i could not be the right person 4 being a mod,because (unfortunately 4 me) i'm not a native english speaker.
however,i think it's a "miracle" if so many ppl,from every part of world,have been united 4 searching the same true... it's a miracle if we've been able 2 join the forces 4 the same cause....
good luck 2 the forum and.... stay tuned! the best is yet 2 come.
l.o.v.e.
*LUNA*
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Ok guys I think you have said it all but there is something very important left to say: I think somebody like Michael Jackson deserves to have a place like this forum to honor him, to honor his artwork, to honor his humanitarian works and to honor his brilliant death hoax which has changed our lives and the way to face them, he has opened our eyes and for that he has counted with this awesome platform full of warrior members who have given all their love, work and time to figure out clues and hints and connect dots, it's sure that Michael is proud of us, that is the reason why this site should remain open.
As I have already said on another thread, I am very grateful to Souza and Bec for giving me the chance to get in direct touch with Front=Michael and be able to enjoy this breathtaking adventure all together. I think, as Grace says, that Souza has made an excellent choice of new Mods to keep our house clean once and for all.
Ps. I really hope from the bottom of my heart that this forum remains peaceful all over and rants get over, excluding of course Front's rants which will always be welcome. :LolLolLolLol:
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Hello Souza.
I am not posting much,because i find it difficult expressing myself in the English language.
But i read for almost 3 years now..i am here every day,and i see what is going on.
I aprieciate everything you did Souza, but i dont envy you.
You are in an impossible situation sometimes.
but from me, and the bottom of my heart..THANKS!
Greetings Mattie
You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the
people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.
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Thank you Souza for your excellent choice of mods and as bec said, everyone is mature enough to decide to take a break or not when the hoax is impacting real life. Thanks to all new mods for stepping in and helping us!
I am absolutely convinced we will make it and everything will turn out fine.
Maybe we can try to drink a cup of tea before replying to a post that clicks our emotional buttons and use PM more often when we need to address a subject to only one person.
I really don't think we need to close the forum. It is our time to shine and we can do that.
Best wishes to you, Souza, and a truckload of thank you for your dedication and never ending contributions.
This goes to everybody here, especially the weary:
:bearhug:
It is true if someone feels tired is good tomerse a break ( i had a forced rest for a few days and i'm fine ) :icon_mrgreen:, ..seriously, a rest is necessary for all. Thanks to Souza for his work and we're going to keep this forum clean of trolls and provocative people.
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I dont post very often,but read and catch up if I cant make it some days,Love the forum,its been an insite for me,learnt so much,especially about our beautiful Michael,Dont close,take a well deserved break Souza and Bec,but please come back,
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It´s never easy when a group of people become merged for whatever reason.
Be it at school or at work, in a sports club, in a circle of friends....whatever.
When people come together for a certain reason or purpose we have a base.
Thus the interaction between the members can be called the base frame.
A group always represents a melting pot of all kinds of personalities.
In addition to that everyone brings their own experiences in life, their own background, their own mindset, values, beliefs, hopes, expectations etc.
Also everybody brings their „mood of the day“.
So depending on the interaction between the members of the group the base frame can either be or become solid or shaky.
It´s called group dynamics.
Group dynamics involves all kind of behaviors and „forces“.
There are positive AND negative forces within a group.
It´s an ever flowing process, a struggle for unity and consensus.
Only when there is a consensus the group can function in an efficient and harmonious way.
Long story short: it all boils down to: united we stand, divided we fall.
So here are my humble thoughts and suggestions for a better togetherness:
I really encourage everybody to use pms more often.
If you hold a grudge against somebody: try to talk to them in private first, don´t jump down their throat immediately in public.
But if you decide to argue in public:
If you get the feeling that somebody is overshooting please feel free to call them out but do it in a respectful and considerate way.
If you get stuck during an argument with somebody please ASK for help and mediation and do not carry it to extremes so that Souza or a mod MUST intervene.
If you feel angry, dissapointed or misunderstood: please speak up and do not feel discouraged because somebody is a long-term member or a mod or the admin.
Also: if you get the feeling that anyone is misusing their „powers“ as a mod or an admin, please talk to them, state your point of view and embark on a mature discussion in private.
Please think about this: it´s not always easy to run a tight ship. Sometimes the "people in power" need to be assertive and there are rules to go by. But that does not mean that there is no honest concern or tolerance and give-and-take.
And: we´re all human after all.
Please also remember that the „public face“ of the forum is something we should all keep in mind while posting.
Never allow someone to treat you unfair but also please try not to think, feel and act hostile all of the time.
Remember to always really talk with one another. Talk, ask and sort things out. Talking is so important.
And last but not least:
One more important thing (IMO): please do not burden Souza only with all your concerns.
We have quite a few „staff“ shoulders here now that you can cry on. :icon_e_wink:
All of us, who are mods now, will try to answer, discuss and mediate or comfort if needed.
Souza: you did an incredible job here so far and you continue to do so!
Please take all the time you need to rest and arrange things in your private life.
Take time to breathe, grow and heal.
We´ll be here to support and disburden you.
I really believe that we can work it all out together and recreate a harmonious atmosphere.
All of you here are dear to my heart and I appreciate and enjoy all the different characters, personalities and mindsets.
I would like to close with a verse that always struck a chord with me:
Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
With love
Mary
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.sweetsunset said....
Ps. I really hope from the bottom of my heart that this forum remains peaceful all over and rants get over, excluding of course Front's rants which will always be welcome.
:thjajaja121:....Absolutely....Front's rants are always welcome. :thjajaja121:
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(That doesn't mean by the way that I made decisions on the forum recently only because of that. As always, there is a story behind everything and I just sent curls a long reply after she implied that I like to cause drama in public. I don't, I am disgusted by the drama, but sometimes I have to. I have tried to explain curls that you NEVER make the right decision as an admin, and that even though it sometimes looks like an issue comes up on the forum out of the blue, it doesn't mean it's something new that hasn't been playing for months or years already. Anyway, I am not going to discuss that further on here since I want to leave it behind us. Those who are interested can PM me. I told curls that I don't lie and if I can, I will always explain everything to those who will bother to ask me in person, instead of starting to discuss my actions behind my back. So please if ANYTHING is going on, if there are problems either with me or with another member, let me know.)
How I wish Souza, that you hadn't mentioned my name in this post. You could have made your point equally well without doing that. I was all set to reply to a couple of things in PM, that you mentioned in your long PM to me. But by bringing something to the public forum that I said in private to you, you have forced me to respond, also in public, which I really don't want to do. Not because I'm embarrassed by what I said but because you cherry picked the harshest thing I wrote without mentioning the bits that went before or after in my message, and I feel that was unfair of you. It makes me feel like I am the next target for your frustrations and you're making sure everyone else is now wary of me (the reason you gave me for making things public - to protect other members). I really hope this is not your intention but that is how it has come across to me after your explanations. To add insult to injury you then go on to invite members to PM you for more information - that is just horrible. I feel very let down, when I was only trying to help with some constructive criticism.
So that everyone knows the full story behind what I actually said, this is my PM, which was in reply to yours asking me "You think I like addressing people in public?" :
« Sent to: ~Souza~ on: May 29, 2012, 05:19:52 PM »
Souza, there's no easy way to say this, but it sometimes looks as if you DO like addressing people in public, or maybe it's just that you're (understandably) at the end of your tether and can't step back and see things objectively. Like I said in the thread Grace started, the tone of a forum is set by the admin, and I can't help but wonder hoaxily sometimes if you purposely start or prolong drama for some 'unknown-to-ordinary-members' reason! :suspect: Otherwise, I cannot see why you do not make more use of those admin 'powers' that I keep mentioning! I hope you will help me understand why you seem reluctant to use them to nip problems in the bud.
I take your point that maybe this is not as easy as it seems to a non-techie person like me. And of course I would never make any demands or expect that you do anything just because of my feelings. You can do what you like on your forum. But you do have a 'delete' button, don't you?
I hope you can take my messages in the spirit they are intended. You have an uneviable task here, and I know whatever you do or don't do there will always be those that will not be satisfied. I am simply trying to help find a different approach to forum problems, to foster a calmer atmosphere, without giving you a shed-load more work!
curls x
Finally, you assumed incorrectly the reason I brought all of this up in the first place. It was not about the two members you mentioned (who, incidentally, I have been wary of through contact in PMs, long before you ever made anything 'public'). It was another unprovoked reaction on the Sign 3 thread, that I still maintain could have been dealt with in PM, no matter what history there may have been. That is what caused me to post my first thoughts:
Official back & Front thread (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=21825.msg406370#msg406370)
Souza, I'm really sorry I had to make this uncharacteristic post. Thank you for your explanations - I understand completely where you're coming from and won't trouble you again with suggestions that won't fit in with your way of running things.
I'm sorry also if you're having a bad time in your 'real' life. Take a well needed break. I may join you!
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You know, I will refrain from posting completely from now on. I posted your pm (and I didn't mention anything in detail) as an example because I know there are others saying the same thing, yet behind my back. You are in NO WAY a 'target' for me and the fact that you imply that only shows that maybe you didn't understand my pm to you at all. If you had really read it, you knew I never meant it in that way. I have no idea what I have done to you ever, or other people for that matter, but I am done with people thinking for me and assuming things that aren't true.
I wanted to try and explain something, yet I have again two angry members simply because my words are misread. What more can I do? Have fun all, I see no fun in posting anymore. You can email me if the forum is down and I will see if I feel like fixing it. I feel stupid and naive for putting so much time and effort into something that brings me nothing but hate. I'm done.
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Honestly Souza, I am not angry and I do not hate you. I too will stop posting if a post that took me literally HOURS to compose can be so misunderstood.
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Hi Souza. Even though I'm new to posting on this forum, I have been reading here for a LONG TIME, and I have always appreciated that this was a public forum, and it is BY FAR the best I have found about the hoax. The credit for that belongs to you and Bec. Thank you for all your hard work. I have refrained from posting lately because of the negativity, but I also realize that we can never know what another person is going through 'behind the scenes'. I'm sure that most here appreciate all the work that goes into this place and would not want to see it close down, or to see you leave. Please reconsider and I wish you all the best!
:beerchug:
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Oh dear.
This is not good.
We need to pull together and remember that none of us are the enemy, least of all Souza. She made this lovely place for all of us and put her own efforts into creating and maintaining it. I know a lot of people post their appreciation for that, and do so frequently, but it's so easy to gloss over the positive and be hurt deeply by the negative, especially when it comes from people we respect and care about.
I don't know how to fix any of this. I guess we are all dirty, nasty, deeply flawed human beings driven by self-justification. Myself included, of course. Not feeling very good about anything right now and feeling deeply guilty of something I can't put my finger on.
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I feel helpless in this, now.
All I can do is share what I have learned at another place in this world that I frequent as often as this forum.
It is my job in a huge company which is far from being perfect.
There are some rules in this company:
- don't talk about each other but with each other
- respect your colleague and superior
- think positively about your colleague and superior
- if you have questions, ask
- if you have trouble, talk
- if you have a personal issue, talk
- open door policy = when there is a need, come in and I'll listen
- errors are allowed - no blame, guilt or discipline - as long as they go corrected
- we help each other
- we stand in for each other and row the boat together
- if some are weaker, we help them up
- nobody will be discredited for an error
- nobody will be discredited for his person, gender, hair color, belief, race, family, origin, sexual orientation, being single or being married, having brown shoes on, being ill or any other aspect
- we are here because we want to
- we are here for a positive development of the whole company.
Whatever we produce while working together is a lot of talking, documents, processes, individual habits and capacities of problem solving etc.
Many times I fell into the trap of reading a different meaning in an email than it was supposed to transport.
Many times I fell into the trap of hearing a different meaning in words than were supposed to be heard.
The ONLY TWO solutions to prevent from any possible trouble are:
1) think positive of the person
2) talk with that person face to face and clear it up.
We tend to think others might mean "bad" when in fact they don't.
We tend to think we got it all right and have the one right conclusion at hand.
This however is not the case in 99.9% of human interpretations.
Both mechanisms have to do with individual insecurity and lack of faith.
My experience in this company is:
- everybody wants to be needed
- everybody wants to be kept in mind
- everybody wants to be respected
- everybody wants to be loved
- everybody wants to contribute positively.
I learned to always remember to first think positively of my vis-à-vis, first presume positive intentions and first remember that I might be 100% wrong. This not only makes life a lot easier for the persons around me and for myself but brings a bunch of light and positive experiences into others' and my days.
I know we mean well, everybody.
We have to cross language, age, gender, cultural, historical and more barriers to be here as a family.
We've done that pretty amazingly.
Please, can we stop the negativity and leave it behind us?
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Great post, Grace. I really appreciate you taking the time to compose it. They are excellent guidelines for all experiences in life.
It is overwhelming sometimes. It is so much easier said then done, but we have to start somewhere.
I hope this to be the case: This too shall pass.
These words are running through my head: Keep calm n carry on.
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I don't post much but I am deeply grateful to to you all and this forum. I see it like a light in the dark. Please, don't turn off the light. United we can find the strenght to go through whatever will happen.
Souza, I wish you all the best and I hope you'll come back soon
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Thank you Souza, Bec and new mods for keeping after this wonderful place! People do seem more nervous nowadays, but maybe it is caused by approaching time, every day we are closer to december, to a deadline for some of us. I hope from the bottom of my heart that we will be able to stay positive and friendly here. After all, we ARE friends!
:bearhug:
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Peace is a universal feeling (energy) that begins in our hearts and that eventually manifests itself in external events. This means that we cannot contribute to the peace without having found our internal peace.
If we want to achieve peace, the most powerful tool we have is our intention ... our intention makes miracles (literally). If each of us we can focus our intention on achieving peace, the problems will be solved easily. Each of us must do its part, In a small society as the family, where there is love among its members, you can lose the peace. There is no doubt that peace is something very fragile so you have to work patiently every day to win her over, and finally, let us be cautious when we talk about other people, because without knowing we can reach out to hurting others.
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… .And i don't like this situation
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Hey Sou - I hope you didn't really mean that.
I am counting on your strength.
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Bec
Oh dear.
This is not good.
We need to pull together and remember that none of us are the enemy, least of all Souza. She made this lovely place for all of us and put her own efforts into creating and maintaining it. I know a lot of people post their appreciation for that, and do so frequently, but it's so easy to gloss over the positive and be hurt deeply by the negative, especially when it comes from people we respect and care about.
I don't know how to fix any of this. I guess we are all dirty, nasty, deeply flawed human beings driven by self-justification. Myself included, of course. Not feeling very good about anything right now and feeling deeply guilty of something I can't put my finger on.
I feel like my heart is going to break...
Michael said he did all his music, dance, and creative output all for one reason--to be loved!! He also has rhinoceros skin, and NEVER gives up! He said he got his warrior spirit from his dad, Joe.
Please everyone, let's follow in his footsteps, and do this for L.O.V.E., no matter what it seems someone else might be thinking negatively. We have to move forward. In the words of the 3 Musketeers, "All for One, and One for all"! We have a goal to reach! MJ asked us, "Will you be there? Will you still care?" I love you all so much, and it hurts to see you hurting.
We are all going to have to lift Souza's arms, like his helpers lifted Moses' arms during one battle. Or we're doing down baby... :screaming-7365:
Grace
This however is not the case in 99.9% of human interpretations.
Both mechanisms have to do with individual insecurity and lack of faith.
My experience in this company is:
- everybody wants to be needed
- everybody wants to be kept in mind
- everybody wants to be respected
- everybody wants to be loved
- everybody wants to contribute positively.
MaryK, what a wonderful, perceptive and professional description of forum protocol.
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I don't know even know what to say...I left this morning feeling better about things on the board and now I just don't know what I'm feeling. It's a mixed bag...too mixed up. I find it very difficult to engage in the 'hoax' threads, including TS' and Front's threads (which are my favorite) when I see people not getting along...especially over possible misunderstandings. It's even more saddening (to put it mildly) when it's happening between long-time members who we've come to KNOW are great people.
For whatever reason, a lot of us (myself included) are hyper-sensitive lately and it seems to be causing us to misinterpret/misread each other (I misinterpreted one of bec's posts last week...but thankfully, she helped clear it up for me). It's also causing us to FORGET everything we have learned about each other along the way...and we DO know a lot about each other after being here together for so long. We are a GREAT group guys! We have so many different personalities on the board and even though we may not always agree on everything, we should be at the point where we at least give someone the benefit of the doubt...and if that still doesn't clear it up, then we should be able to approach another fully confident in knowing that they TOO will give you the benefit of the doubt. Given how great the personalities are here....I'm sure that most issues could be resolved between those having the 'issue'...we're all mature adults here. And if every attempt made to reconcile the issue has not been successful, then we should respect the other members of the board enough to just let it go.
I know it's easier said than done....anything worthwhile is, especially when dealing with emotions and relationships. But we HAVE GOT to pull ourselves together and take responsibility for our own words, actions, and misunderstandings....and FIGHT to keep the family together, not against each other.
I also know that it's difficult to see a silver lining in any trying time. But what has stood out most for me during the past week or so....in seeing members arguing amongst themselves, in seeing all of us being accused of being anti-Semitic, in misunderstanding one of bec's posts and feeling hurt by it, in seeing other members' feelings being hurt by something someone said (also due to misunderstandings)....what ALL that has made me realize is that we DO care about each other and we want those we care about to care about us too. ...no matter how much we try to deny it to ourselves or each other.
If you think about it, that's a pretty great silver lining...and I hope and pray that it will get us through this tough time.
With L.O.V.E. always.
P.S. @Mary and Grace...thanks for your great posts.
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I am feeling like back in those few days after June 25th when I thought Mike was dead. Something between emptiness and despair :icon_pale:.
I am not really sure how we got to this point. What happened? Who started it? When exactly did it start? Why Front left?
What the hell is going on??
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I agree Paula:
Peace is a universal feeling (energy) that begins in our hearts and that eventually manifests itself in external events. This means that we cannot contribute to the peace without having found our internal peace.
If we want to achieve peace, the most powerful tool we have is our intention ... our intention makes miracles (literally). If each of us we can focus our intention on achieving peace, the problems will be solved easily. Each of us must do its part, In a small society as the family, where there is love among its members, you can lose the peace. There is no doubt that peace is something very fragile so you have to work patiently every day to win her over, and finally, let us be cautious when we talk about other people, because without knowing we can reach out to hurting others.
There is enough bad stuff that happens in the world everyday, we don't need it in here. Peace is possible even with conflicting personalities, we just need to want it enough. This forum is a place to learn and love.
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Oooops, just found out that @Admin is @Souza.
Considering all the s*it Souza has taken during the years of the hoax forum, her post soon or later was going to happen.
As I see it, she has been stalked and harassed for a very long time outside this forum, so it should not be easy to have the same feeling inside the forum, either by trolls or members.
Souza, you know you are a tuff cookie, but I would like to tell you and everyone feeling down at times, that the feeling of not being able to cop for any longer is just the sign to have been strong for too long, not a sign of weakness.
If you need your break, you just earned it.
I am sure I talk for many when I say that we are here, with ups and downs, with better and worst days, with laughs and confrontations, but still HERE WITH YOU in your forum.
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Also, I think that the selection of mods could not be better!
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Closing the forum for a few days is not a good idea... We might miss some important clues! And what if Michael would BAM during those "off-days"? :Pulling_hair:
I love you all, guys. Souza, I wish you all the best in your personal life. Stay strong.
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There have been a lot of great posts that I agree with, excellent observations.
It’s a great decision to have extended the number of global moderators. Excellent choice– love you guys and congratulations on the promotion. :th_bravo:
Souza, we cannot thank you enough for all that you do to maintain this forum going. I really hope that you believe these words and do not forget them. I hope the fact there are new mods now will give you the time necessary to have this much needed break. TIME does miracles believe me. You will come back with a fresh mind and appeasement in your heart God willing.
It’s really sad that we’re losing members like that. We are a family and each member must know that they are loved and appreciated greatly. We all add something unique. We must stay united.
I don’t know what’s going on concerning all these sudden misunderstandings – there has been like a snowball effect of negativity. Maybe the fact Venus will soon come across the Sun has an impact, a little like the full moons? :confused: Joke aside-- if I can give a suggestion – it seems that sometimes words are misinterpreted or rather “intentions” – so maybe the use of a smiley can sometimes soften the way a post is received?
Example:
"I don’t agree with you."
"I don’t agree with you. :icon_e_smile:"
Maybe a lame suggestion I concede lol, but I'm saying this because what I am seeing is that despite being a “family” we still do not know each other personally so we must still be careful about how we “speak” and come across especially in this form of communication.
I love each one of you and let's STAY STRONG FOR MICHAEL.
God bless you.
:bearhug:
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I don't post here often, but I do read almost everything you guys read,this forum is very important for me.It feels good that u r not alone with believing mj is alive.
I Also thinks you Souza have done a very GOOD job here on the forum :smiley_abuv: And I hope u Souza don't ever doubt that.Plz don't take down this forum.
And I think it would be a good Idea to have rules like the one Grace posted. to keep this forum for us members in a better mood.
Our focus should be the Hoax, that's what we all started here for, 3 years ago.
Don't feed the trolls,I bet they like when we argue with eachother. Try not argue in public,keep it in a PM if u can!
KEEP THE FAITH;BE STRONG.
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Souza, no one can run this board like you do. That’s just a fact, simple and true. As I have said many times, I’ve frequented many, many forums over the last 3 years looking for a place that felt real and where I would be taken seriously and given a voice without feeling foolish or like a misfit. :icon_pale: This Is It! Period.
This place is like an extended family inn; a whole lot of people in one house, bumping into each other, with different personalities and at different stages of growth. We are going to get on each other’s nerves from time to time, but in the end, we hug and make up. That’s human and shows maturity and sincere comradery. No one is going to be agreeable 100% of the time. Heads are going to bump and sometimes feelings are going to be hurt. I am no exception to the rule and neither is anyone else. It’s the end result that makes this forum stand out from any other that I’ve seen any where.
So as far as you not posting anyore, bummers :computer-losy-smiley: Where would we be without you? Certainly a long way from where we are now. You are like Big Mama, and in a family this size, big mama is needed :LolLolLolLol:
Take a break. You certainly deserve one. I’ve taken a few as have many other members. But we came back because it is our familiar and we were welcomed back with hugs and open arms.
I am probably one of the oldest members here, retiring in about 3 months :woohoo2: , but I love it here. Please don’t shut it down. I look forward everyday to getting home and reading what people have discovered while I’m at work, or just some of the light hearted responses that make me smile. (Gina for one) :smiley-vault-misc-150:
I know you will be the one to make the final decision, but I hope you, Souza will not stop interacting with us and that the forum will stay up even if the activity level goes down. When it is the right time, it will come alive again. Bec, Curls and the new mods (CONGRATULATIONS) can keep this thing on track because we are all grownups. When its house cleaning time, everybody needs to be accountable for and clean up his own mess. I believe that we can and we will. :bearhug:
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Hesouttamylife
So as far as you not posting anyore, bummers Where would we be without you? Certainly a long way from where we are now. You are like Big Mama, and in a family this size, big mama is needed
Like the woman in the shoe! :icon_lol:
(http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/45300/45377/45377_woman_shoe_lg.gif)
So Souza, I hope you get the message about how much we feel for your situation, and appreciate you. Have a well needed rest!
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:LolLolLolLol: How about this one
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sYZbKOhUn3s/TaQm4Uhx8DI/AAAAAAAAAfo/sQrL0HGlRmQ/s1600/1898+McLeod+Family+Gathering.jpg)
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I cannot believe how events have unfolded today. I wish I could say something to make this sorry situation better but I seem unable to string together any meaningful words. I feel stunned, and in shock that I appear to have been the catalyst that has tipped Souza over the edge that she's been teetering over for some time.
Who, if either of us, or neither of us, was right or wrong in our interaction is of no consequence, when both are left feeling hurt and miserable.
Please, if any of you are in contact with Souza on a more personal basis than the forum, please watch out for her. I'm worried about her. I don't know what, if any, support she has in her private life.
@Souza, if you read this, please let me repeat that it was never my intention for things to escalate to the level they have done. If I misunderstood anything you said, then I apologise. Take the break you need and if that involves closing the forum, then you have my support in that. Please take care of yourself.
@everyone else, I'm sorry you had to witness today's ugliness. Take care of yourselves too.
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You are like Big Mama, and in a family this size, big mama is needed
@Guys....I love you all.
@Big Mama....I/we love you too.
@Front....I/we miss you and I/we love you.
Blessings
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Souza, I 'm sorry that I can not help much in this moment..Unfortunately my english is not good.
Above all take care of yourself , you gave a lot in these three years...and for this thanks for always :bearhug:
For me, in my experience you are a wonderful admin and I say it sincerely...and I admire you very much.
My desire is that the forum does not close, is very important for me , is a fixed point.... :moonwalk_:
With L.O.V,E.
Love you all, really... :bearhug:
Congratulations to new moods !!! :icon_razz:
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You are like Big Mama, and in a family this size, big mama is needed
Like the woman in the shoe! :icon_lol:
Oh my gosh priceless MJonmind!
I think we should really keep Romans 14:13, 19 in mind "Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister."; "Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification."
That's just part of it... if you read Romans 14 and Romans 15 it's very enlightening.
@Curls Thank you for your message. We live in a world of free will and choices. That is the greatest power we've been given, the power of choice. We each choose how we communicate, how we receive a message, how we react to a message and it's all colored by the things we are going through or have gone through. It is unfortunate how things have ended up however let's learn from it. What I've learned is that in any relationship, it is very very damaging to point a finger at another and say what they could have done better. The best thing to do, for all of us, is see how each of us can grow from this. Curls, how could you have handled things better, reacted better, etc? What can you learn from this? Make the changes you need to make. Souza and whoever else involved should do the same thing. This may not happen now because exhaustion, fatigue, etc can close us to wanting to make any changes! In time though... in time things may change.
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Take your break Souza. We'll be here when you come back. Always take care of yourself first!
I have always considered this forum as my 12 step meeting....& one of the rules of the meetings are.....
Take what youi need..............& leave the rest!
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Hello family! lately I could not connect because of problems with my internet provider. No wonder you need a break Souza, keep off this site is a full time job, and it is not easy. I am glad we have new mods to help, I'm sure that when you return Souza, find the house in order. I send all my love and I hope my problem will be resolved soon to continue sharing. Keep the faith.
:bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug:
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@Souza - Take care of yourself. I hope you decide to keep posting because it would not be the same without you here.
:bearhug:
The recent episode with scream etc has unhinged us a bit but.......we'll get through this episode with each others help and support. We always do.
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Souza, as the saying goes, I give you your flowers while you are living; you have done an incredible job, and have been consistent, faithful, and diligent these 35 months. I am keeping you in my prayers.
Some of us, even though we read more than post, view the forum as a life jacket, keeping us afloat during stressful times. As for me, it's a vote for staying open, from now 'til that proverbial "dust settles", and beyond.
Love to all my forum family. Each of you is valued and appreciated.
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Group hug everyone :bearhug:
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:icon_evil: It's a shame stuff like this happens on a forum where members of Michael's "army of love" has joined. Souza has been through so much from this forum... nonbelievers, trolls, and hateful people in general. She used to have the hate she received public to see, and some of the threats were awful. She's always been kind to me, always asking how I'm doing and other people treat her like this. I understand her low tolerance on here, because there have been so many trolls.
Souza, I hope you come back .. :icon_cry: :bearhug:
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Oh I almost forgot. Who was it that said smileys help convey proper meaning and prevent misunderstandings? That thought stuck with me and I wanted to come back and comment. I am guilty of using almost no smileys. I'm just not a smiley kind of person, I guess. Also confess, I use the Quick Reply box which doesn't have emoticons. But whoever posted this (was it Sarahli? Or BTC?) caused me to rethink this style as I saw in the example what she meant between two exact phrases, one with and one without a smiley. So, I will use more smileys going forward.
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hi beloved peeps. just want to congratulate and thank in advance the new mods for their hard work ahead. i appreciate all that you do. (that goes to the seasoned mods too)
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souza, enjoy your well deserved break. i am personally sick of seeing people attack you. as far as i am concerned, they have no place here. its on thing to attack you elsewhere online, but there should be a zero tolerance for it here! if they can't show respect at the start for you, or deliberatley antagonize hoaxers and its clear that is their intention for being here, then i say instantaneous combustion, shut the door and block IP. maybe i am too ruthless. too bad. (maybe its good i'm not a mod hey?)
haters: why do you waste your energy. it baffles me that some can use so much time and energy on something they clearly disrespect. i dont know, but when i dont like or agree with something, i do not waste time on it. life is too precious. move on.
admins and mods: please never shut this forum when things / times get testy, especially when certain members with bad motives attack. i have two suggestions. when an individual (hater / troll) is getting out of hand what about an obligatory red card? and second, when a member is getting depressed / antsy or agitated and short (as discribed) at the start of this thread, what about a suggestion from mod / admin for a three day break to assist them...
really though, we are all adults.... we should be able to be responsible and manage our emotions and boundaries, even when things get testy through this hoax. if you need to take a break (i did recently Holiday / then illness / then death in the family) take that break. its fair to you and fair to others...
i love this place. but there are times when i cant be here. not because of this place, but because of personal circumstances. i am responsible and know my boundaries. if i am not in the head space to be here, then i do the fair thing and stay out until its time to come back in.
missed you all (although i must say, the amount of new members in my 5 week absence is staggering!) new members, to those who are genuine, i look forward to getting to know you and reading your contributions.
:bearhug:
p.s: can anyone tell me who the member is behind username: admin. sorry if this is a dumb question. i may have missed something.
thanks.
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Oh I almost forgot. Who was it that said smileys help convey proper meaning and prevent misunderstandings? That thought stuck with me and I wanted to come back and comment. I am guilty of using almost no smileys. I'm just not a smiley kind of person, I guess. Also confess, I use the Quick Reply box which doesn't have emoticons. But whoever posted this (was it Sarahli? Or BTC?) caused me to rethink this style as I saw in the example what she meant between two exact phrases, one with and one without a smiley. So, I will use more smileys going forward.
hun, you dont need smileys. you are articulate and pointed in every post. i never misunderstnd your posts!
and sometimes i feel that overusing smileys is a crutch and possibly (i say possibly) at times not completely genuine... (myself included)
example: have a full on debate / attack and then ending it with a hug. or being sarcastic to someone and then ending it with a hug. lol
its funny really when you think about it..
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p.s: can anyone tell me who the member is behind username: admin. sorry if this is a dumb question. i may have missed something.
thanks.
this Q has been answered. thanks.
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You know, I will refrain from posting completely from now on. I posted your pm (and I didn't mention anything in detail) as an example because I know there are others saying the same thing, yet behind my back. You are in NO WAY a 'target' for me and the fact that you imply that only shows that maybe you didn't understand my pm to you at all. If you had really read it, you knew I never meant it in that way. I have no idea what I have done to you ever, or other people for that matter, but I am done with people thinking for me and assuming things that aren't true.
I wanted to try and explain something, yet I have again two angry members simply because my words are misread. What more can I do? Have fun all, I see no fun in posting anymore. You can email me if the forum is down and I will see if I feel like fixing it. I feel stupid and naive for putting so much time and effort into something that brings me nothing but hate. I'm done.
:icon_eek: :'(
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Have fun all, I see no fun in posting anymore. You can email me if the forum is down and I will see if I feel like fixing it. I feel stupid and naive for putting so much time and effort into something that brings me nothing but hate. I'm done.
I said once, these things I do not like it makes me feel bad, how is it that the owner of the house cannot say something by that there are people who cannot or don't want to understand the words.
(http://i52.tinypic.com/35jguo8.jpg)
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Have fun all, I see no fun in posting anymore. You can email me if the forum is down and I will see if I feel like fixing it. I feel stupid and naive for putting so much time and effort into something that brings me nothing but hate. I'm done.
i never saw this the first time i read this thread. how i missed it i dont know. but just want to say that i am absolutely shattered to read this.
im so angry right now.
absolute trouble makers.
please come back souza. there are more ppl with you than against you
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Hey Sou - you really plan to not come back here?
This place is not fun without you.
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Should we ALL take a break? ??
HECK, NO. There IS such a thing as too much unity. You don't jump off a cliff because the rest of a gang is feeling despondent, and you especially don't put the ENTIRE Theme Park in LOCK DOWN because someone skinned their knee, or not looking where they were going in Hoaxland, ran into someone else, and dropped their ice cream! :'( :'( :'(
I feel for you guys all hurt and sad because you are forced to deal with disappointment or mean words & misunderstandings from your very own sistas here, somehow, or life itself is just beating you down, bad. But it would be awfully self centered to, in gang agreement, declare a moratorium for everyone--even VISITORS AND NEW BELIEVERS coming here :WTF:, on something which is not even THE problem. I loved what Bec said! :icon_mrgreen: It is wisdom. :icon_e_ugeek: :)
Don't close.
If anyone needs a break they need to be woman or man enough to determine that for themselves. Those who don't need a break don't need one imposed upon them. Self responsibility, we can all muster it. We are a good group.
:icon_exclaim: :icon_exclaim: :icon_exclaim: :bearhug:
No sheep at my house, either, except stuffed ones. I would INDIVIDUALLY go lick my wounds and do whatEVER it takes, to regroup, rethink and take a load off, to get my edge back, and then come back to the group refreshed. :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile :icon_e_biggrin:
But...that's just me. :-\ ♫ Do what you wanna do ♫.
I myself unhappily have attended my third rough funeral in three months just yesterday, and I am not letting ANYTHING drag me under the Deep. :'( :icon_evil:
If anyone needs help or a shoulder, PLEASE PM me. If I cannot help, at least I am a good listener. But please don't just keep taking hits and swinging at the air, feeling all alone. I KNOW it doesn't make you feel good. :-\ Most everyone here is concerned for you. :bearhug: :bearhug: :bearhug: Feel way better SOON. :icon_e_smile:
We'll be here with open arms, when you are yourself again, unless ... we can't recover from all this rockin'. :affraid:
Well, It WAS all for Love. :icon_e_sad: :icon_e_sad: :icon_e_sad: :icon_e_sad: My being here certainly is, for what that's worth. :icon_e_smile:
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I don't think we should shut down the forum, just because some members are upset. If those members are depressed, they should be grown enough to close out of the forum and take their own break.. right? I'm not ready to leave... I LOVE any ultimate roller coaster.. and this one is the best i've been on!! :icon_albino:
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I don't think we should shut down the forum, just because some members are upset. If those members are depressed, they should be grown enough to close out of the forum and take their own break.. right? I'm not ready to leave... I LOVE any ultimate roller coaster.. and this one is the best i've been on!! :icon_albino:
right on MJfan7!!! im with you. i love this rollercoaster too. its not a chore it a pleasure to be on.
and yes, members need to take responsibility to look after themselves if being here affect them negatively.
this place has made my head explode at times, in terms of being mind blowing regaridng some of the theories, riddles, religious conundrums that are difficult to understand - but all together its an amazing expoerience and I wouldnt trade it for the world! i LOVE the complexity this forum brings.. if i didnt want it or couldnt handle it i'd go to MJJC....
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Oh Lord have mercy! :icon_rr:
I have been without the internet since 5/27 because I had to fly back to portland for eviction court on 5/29 and I have to pack up my apartment for the final move to Vegas, wtf has been going on here? I haven't been aware of any of the issues going on but I am very disappointed to read about this. The end is coming soon to this hoax and I don't like reading about Souza feeling so upset that she has considered shutting down and quitting right when the best is to come. Take your breather Souza and the rest of the fam here please do your best to keep a REAL smile :icon_e_biggrin: on your face no matter what happens.
This is the virtual world and in my opinion the easiest way to interact with people. If this was face to face, how many of us would take a deep breath and think before we speak and how many of us would react quickly and punch someone in the mouf? This virtual world shouldn't bring distress and misery because we have the luxury of taking that deep breath before we type.
I have had alot of stuff going on in my life that isn't always positive but I never have felt the need to take it out on the fam here just because I feel shitty about it. I realize not everyone here does that but I think that maybe that has happened on more than one occasion for some members. No one is responsible for my happiness or sadness but me because I am in control of how I feel regardless of how others would like for me to feel.
I have alot of reading to catch up on and I do pray that everyone will be more mindful of what they say to each other especially now because we are getting down to the nitty gritty wire of this coming to an end and also the beginning of MJ needing his army of L.O.V.E. to have his back when he bams, remember he needs our support for the big reveal.
@Souza-I hope your feeling better and I ALWAYS have your back.
This song is perfect for this occasion. :icon_rr:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GXSHRJYxTQ&feature=related[/youtube]
p.s. Another way for people to de-hoax/de-compress is to pick up a good book and read. I'm currently reading Jermaine's book, lmao he is funny. It's a GREAT book. Thanks Jerm for writing it! :smiley_abuv:
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Great posts Its Her and Imconvinced!
I'm reminded of Front's post about difficult times now and ahead:
(http://pelitasamudra.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/583705232_1535b0c105_m.jpg?w=240&h=177)
(http://kuryusthelord.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/rays-of-light-and-ocean.jpg?w=300&h=225)
Evil always ambushes the jugular when it's least expected. They prey on "weakness"…in times of darkness…they affix their night-vision goggles and go in for the "kill". They can sense lack of Faith and loss of Hope from miles away. We must cloak ourselves with Invincible armor. Numbers in strength=power.
Truth will prevail = time
and so the march continues on…………….
Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt, which was no easy feat. But through guidance & strength from God--- and an "army" (of L.O.V.E.) whose faith remained strong despite the fears and unknowns--- they crossed the Red Sea as "east winds" (whispers) were deLIVEred to divide the waters and create a pathway for them to walk upon.
They were promised a place of "milk & honey" (Exodus 3). This was certainly not a case of "instant gratification"--not by a LONG stretch. There was no milk and honey served to them on a silver platter. And where was this land that was spoken of, "flowing with milk and honey"? They could not see it…but they believed. They pressed on, continuing to Trust in God. They bolstered their faith --- and they never lost hope. It took many years before they finally reached their destination. BUT--- they had enough to survive the journey.
Bottom line: They didn't get what they wanted, when they wanted it…..but they got what they needed, when they needed it.
Extreme "darkness" before the "Light"……..
God struck Egypt with 10 plagues --- 1 of them was "Darkness" (Exodus 10:21-23). Complete and TOTAL darkness cast over the land of Egypt. They wandered around aimlessly as good as blind--- not even so much as seeing their own hand in front of their face.
The miraculous story of parting the Red Sea is told in the Book of Exodus 13:17-14:29. It's also mentioned in the Qur'an (Surah 26: Al-Shu'ara, verses 60-67).
tick-tock, tick-tock……..
We must remember tIME is of the essence--- but in THIS case it is also our best friend. A few years may seem like a long time, but it's all relative when you consider the magnitude of the global effects to come for generations after the execution of this meticulously planned feat. Rest ASSURED, we WILL get to the other side of that "Red Sea".
If you're not a religious person…it matters not!
If you think Front is Mickey Mouse…it matters not!
If you're a religious person, have faith in God.
If you're not, then have faith in Michael.
If your faith is crumbling and you choose to leave your KNOWING (not beLIEving--- but "KNOWING"--- because, as I've stated many times before, believing & knowing are 2 different things) behind to disintegrate into dust…might as well say goodbye now because you won't make to the "other side".
There have been and will continue to be MANY other attempts (some planned as a "necessary evil"; others from "wolves disguised as lambs") to demolish Faith and shatter Hope…but alas, Front has faith where faith is needed. As I stated several pages back: The journey is a bumpy ride indeed, and it's bound to get uncomfortable at times…..but let's remember who the "driver" is…Michael will get us all home safely.
And please, no driving jokes or you might find another one of the "chef's" speciality desserts delivered to your doorstep…instead of a BAMcake, you might get a different KIND of "BAM"cake--- B(rown)A(nd)M(oldy) cake! :lol: ;)
How many of us will make it to the other side? We have to all do our collective part to support Souza so we CAN make it!
I believe we have taken the forum for granted, and now we can see what an amazing privilege this place is!
1. So many have said this is the best MJHD forum in existence!
2. Front and TS only post here, and as well TMZ only link our site. (This is possibly because we have a track-record of honoring MJ's family, and don't focus on the wrong things (like GP).
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@Im_convinced, man, I really like you and would miss the hell out of you if you *poof* disappeared someday.
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:smiley_abuv:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGXmLwoTcfk [/youtube]
Mm-hmm
If you call out loud
Will it get inside?
Through the heart of your surrender
To your alibis
And you can
Say the words
Like you understand
But the power's in believing
So give yourself a chance
Cuz you can
Climb the highest mountain
Swim the deepest sea-ee
All you need is the will to want it
And a
Little self-esteem
So keep the faith
Don't let nobody turn you round
You got to know when it's good to go
To get your dreams up off the ground
So keep the faith
Baby yeah
Because it's just a matter of time
Before your confidence will win out
Believe in yourself no matter what it's gonna take
You can be a winner but you gotta keep the faith
Gon' keep it brother
You got
And when you think of trust
Does it lead you home?
To a place that you only dream of
When you're all alone
And you can go by feel
'Stead of circumstance
But the power's in believing
So give yourself a chance
I know that you can
Sail across the water
Float across the sky-i
Any road that you take will get you there
If you only try
So keep the faith
Ow
Don't let nobody take you down brother
Just keep your eyes on the prize
Feet flat on the ground
So keep the faith
Baby yeah
Because it's just a matter of time
Before your confidence will win out
I told my brother how to do the thing right
Lift up your head and show the world you got pride
Go for what you want
Don't let them get in your way
You can be a winner but you gotta
Keep the faith
Gon' keep it brother
You got
I know that keepin the faith
Means never givin up on love
But the power that love has
Has to make it right
Makes it
Makes it right
So keep the faith
Don't let nobody turn you round brother
You got to know when it's good to go
Get your dreams up off of the ground
So keep the faith
Baby yeah
Because it's just a matter of time
Before your confidence will win out
Better stand up and act like you wanna do it right
Don't play the fool for the rest of your life
Work on it brother and you'll make it someday
Go for what you want and don't forget the faith
Look at yourself and what your doin right now
Stand back a minute just to check yourself out
Straighten up your life and how your livin each day
Get yourself together cuz you gotta keep the faith
Don't let nobody take you down brother
Just keep your eyes on the prize
Your feet flat on the ground
So keep the faith
Baby yeah
Because it's just a matter of time
Before your confidence will win out
Lift up your mind before your mind gets blown
Some things in life you're best just leave them alone
Go for what you want
Don't let it get in your way
You can make it happen but you gotta keep the faith Gon' keep it brother
You got to keep the faith
Yeah keep the faith
Gon' keep it sista
You got to keep the faith
I told my brother how to do the thing right
Lift up your head and show the world you got pride
Go for what you want
Don't let them get in your way
You can be a winner if you keep the faith
Straighten out yourself and get your mind on track
Dust off your butt and get your self-respect back
You've know me long enough to know that I don't play
Take it like you want it but you got to keep the faith
Gon'
Don't let nobody take you down
Just keep your eyes on the prize
Your feet flat on the ground
So keep the faith
Baby yeah
Because it's just a matter of time
Before your confidence will win out
But till that day
I said you gotta keep the faith
:bearhug:
LOVE always
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Great posts Its Her and Imconvinced!
I'm reminded of Front's post about difficult times now and ahead:
(http://pelitasamudra.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/583705232_1535b0c105_m.jpg?w=240&h=177)
(http://kuryusthelord.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/rays-of-light-and-ocean.jpg?w=300&h=225)
Evil always ambushes the jugular when it's least expected. They prey on "weakness"…in times of darkness…they affix their night-vision goggles and go in for the "kill". They can sense lack of Faith and loss of Hope from miles away. We must cloak ourselves with Invincible armor. Numbers in strength=power.
Truth will prevail = time
and so the march continues on…………….
Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt, which was no easy feat. But through guidance & strength from God--- and an "army" (of L.O.V.E.) whose faith remained strong despite the fears and unknowns--- they crossed the Red Sea as "east winds" (whispers) were deLIVEred to divide the waters and create a pathway for them to walk upon.
They were promised a place of "milk & honey" (Exodus 3). This was certainly not a case of "instant gratification"--not by a LONG stretch. There was no milk and honey served to them on a silver platter. And where was this land that was spoken of, "flowing with milk and honey"? They could not see it…but they believed. They pressed on, continuing to Trust in God. They bolstered their faith --- and they never lost hope. It took many years before they finally reached their destination. BUT--- they had enough to survive the journey.
Bottom line: They didn't get what they wanted, when they wanted it…..but they got what they needed, when they needed it.
Extreme "darkness" before the "Light"……..
God struck Egypt with 10 plagues --- 1 of them was "Darkness" (Exodus 10:21-23). Complete and TOTAL darkness cast over the land of Egypt. They wandered around aimlessly as good as blind--- not even so much as seeing their own hand in front of their face.
The miraculous story of parting the Red Sea is told in the Book of Exodus 13:17-14:29. It's also mentioned in the Qur'an (Surah 26: Al-Shu'ara, verses 60-67).
tick-tock, tick-tock……..
We must remember tIME is of the essence--- but in THIS case it is also our best friend. A few years may seem like a long time, but it's all relative when you consider the magnitude of the global effects to come for generations after the execution of this meticulously planned feat. Rest ASSURED, we WILL get to the other side of that "Red Sea".
If you're not a religious person…it matters not!
If you think Front is Mickey Mouse…it matters not!
If you're a religious person, have faith in God.
If you're not, then have faith in Michael.
If your faith is crumbling and you choose to leave your KNOWING (not beLIEving--- but "KNOWING"--- because, as I've stated many times before, believing & knowing are 2 different things) behind to disintegrate into dust…might as well say goodbye now because you won't make to the "other side".
There have been and will continue to be MANY other attempts (some planned as a "necessary evil"; others from "wolves disguised as lambs") to demolish Faith and shatter Hope…but alas, Front has faith where faith is needed. As I stated several pages back: The journey is a bumpy ride indeed, and it's bound to get uncomfortable at times…..but let's remember who the "driver" is…Michael will get us all home safely.
And please, no driving jokes or you might find another one of the "chef's" speciality desserts delivered to your doorstep…instead of a BAMcake, you might get a different KIND of "BAM"cake--- B(rown)A(nd)M(oldy) cake! :lol: ;)
How many of us will make it to the other side? We have to all do our collective part to support Souza so we CAN make it!
I believe we have taken the forum for granted, and now we can see what an amazing privilege this place is!
1. So many have said this is the best MJHD forum in existence!
2. Front and TS only post here, and as well TMZ only link our site. (This is possibly because we have a track-record of honoring MJ's family, and don't focus on the wrong things (like GP).
And we have a keen Admin in control of the House! :bearhug:
Yes Yes Yes! To these and all of your post, here, MJonmind! :icon_mrgreen:
We ARE blessed and we ARE in good hands!
Go Mikey, Go team MJ, Go, go go, Hoax Coach packed with Friendly little Believers, sprinkling LOVE out of all the windows!! (I feel like I've been on a :icon_albino: Hippie Bus, you know the ones, with all the daisies painted on them. ;) :icon_bounce: SO FUN! :icon_e_biggrin:) :icon_exclaim: :bearhug:
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@Im_convinced, man, I really like you and would miss the hell out of you if you *poof* disappeared someday.
Thanks bec. No worries about me going *poof*, only a good magician can make me disappear from this hoax. :LolLolLolLol:
I like you 2. :icon_e_wink:
Hey MJonmind-Glad you liked my comment and congrats to you and the others for your mod promotion. :icon_e_biggrin:
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This hoax family is wonderful, and will continue UNITED IN L.O.V.E. the great adventure :bearhug: ...I'm sure... :icon_razz:
Souza :bearhug: you are great :bearhug:
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Look out how you use proud words.
When you let proud words go, it is
not easy to call them back.
They wear long boots, hard boots; they
walk off proud; they can't hear you calling—
Look out how you use proud words.
—Carl Sandburg, American poet and essayist, Primer Lesson, 1922
I first read this poem when I was in the 3rd and over the years from time to time something comes up that reminds me of that poem!
Souza, for what it's worth, you've been the best; you are the best! Much love to you. I will pray for your peace, peace that surpasses all understanding!
OnTheWingsOfLove
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Souza, I'm glad you're back. Don't do that again, lol.
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Souza, I'm glad you're back. Don't do that again, lol.
agree. naughty naughty. ur not getting away again girl
we luvs ya. haters can kiss this:
(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u447/amarrufo/Garfield.gif)
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Look out how you use proud words.
When you let proud words go, it is
not easy to call them back.
They wear long boots, hard boots; they
walk off proud; they can't hear you calling—
Look out how you use proud words.
—Carl Sandburg, American poet and essayist, Primer Lesson, 1922
I first read this poem when I was in the 3rd and over the years from time to time something comes up that reminds me of that poem!
Souza, for what it's worth, you've been the best; you are the best! Much love to you. I will pray for your peace, peace that surpasses all understanding!
OnTheWingsOfLove
i pray that for you also
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After all the negative stuff happening lately, I have to say something and change some things. I almost closed down the forum if it wasn't for a few members that talked me out of it. I noticed lately that people are all getting a little weary and cranky. Same with me.
Yep yep that was me, just to let you all know...LOL nar JKS
I love King Jr's quote you have there, I guess it serves as a lesson, I definitely have kept that in mind in my life when people make me tick in everyday situations.