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Latest News => The Redirects => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI ~ 2012 => Topic started by: bec on July 17, 2012, 11:17:18 AM
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Sign 4 is up:
SIGN #4: THE DAYS OF NOAH, AND THE DAYS OF LOT (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=97.0)
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Glad to see TS is back with another sign! Looks like a long one, I will read tonight when I'm at home.
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Thankyou TS.... off to read now.
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Thanks TS!
The redirect list has been updated at www.mjsarmyoflove.com (http://www.mjsarmyoflove.com/)
Gonna go read now!!!!
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I read through that and understood it. It makes perfect sense to me now. Especially the explanation of the timing of events and the "resting" of the ark along with the plurals versus singulars.
I am astounded. What scholar is this who brings this news? The Sign, thank you.
When I get home I intend to read this again. It is fascinating and brings all the missing links together perfectly.
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Woo hoo, Lot and Noah! I'm going to enjoy this one.
Thanks TS :bearhug:
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This couldn't have come at a better time :icon_razz:
Will read it tonite...looking forward to some brain manna lol.
Thanks TS!
With L.O.V.E. always.
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It was about the time.
I was expecting something from you TS.
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Wow, I'm pleasantly surprised in that this is the first Sign I've understood on first reading. That's all I'll say for now.
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Hi TS :beerchug:
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:woohoo2: Thank u! and good to see you again.
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thank you TS! this sign is really very well written :)
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:bearhug: Thanks TS :bearhug: with L.O.V.E. !! :moonwalk_:
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:bearhug: TS, missed you much, pls visit more often!! :bowdown:
Gotta find my quite time to read that long SIGN 4 !!
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Thank you TS! Here we expected you, please do not miss. I will read this SIGN 4 now. blessings :bearhug:
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Welcome back Mr TS I am so excited to have a new Sign, I am enjoying it as a child enjoys at the Amusement Park :icon_e_wink:
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Thank you TS. You made my day. :woohoo2: I was thinking and hoping that today was the day because of a few reasons.
1. The feast of first fruits is near July 18 so it could be the 17. Is it today ?? It has to do with the wheat harvest.
THE FEAST OF FIRST FRUITS (http://www.repairingthebreach.info/id50.html)
2. I found the date about Noah a few months ago and had a feeling it was an important date so I wrote it on the other site. I heard, Noah left the ark for a new life on the seventh month on the 17th day of the month.
3. All the sevens and the 17. This is the opposite of 71 (ambulance number).
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I love the post TS. I will study it some more. So, I think the bible foreshadows events and dates to come.
Love You :icon_e_smile:
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I've been doing some independent research which coincidentally touched on a lot of these topics that TS included in this Sign, the cubit, Egyptian culture and architecture, archaeological digs in Turkey, ancient texts and writings, myths that may not be myths after all. I have no problem with the religious aspect anymore because I am thinking bigger, much much bigger; into history, archaeology, origins of man on earth, and the universe. MJ says the history books are wrong and I am learning exactly how right he is about that. It's amazing what wins out as conventional thought aka yours n mine effective reality over the ages isn't necessarily the truth at all.
Did you know the Egyptians used Pi and the Golden Number in all of their work on Giza yet they reportedly had no knowledge of either. Historians staunchly deny it, yet it's all throughout the Great Pyramid, inside n out. It also sits precisely on the "real" equator, aka the line that runs around the diameter of Earth and intersects with the magnetic pole... which is NOT the north or South pole but a spot independent of either: true North. In other words, the Egyptians used technology and knowledge they did not and could not (through conventional modern understanding) possess. How do you suppose that happened?
Anyway, TS, I've come a long way on this. I am going to re-read the previous Signs but I was straight up delighted with this one.
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I've been doing some independent research which coincidentally touched on a lot of these topics that TS included in this Sign, the cubit, Egyptian culture and architecture, archaeological digs in Turkey, ancient texts and writings, myths that may not be myths after all. I have no problem with the religious aspect anymore because I am thinking bigger, much much bigger; into history, archaeology, origins of man on earth, and the universe. MJ says the history books are wrong and I am learning exactly how right he is about that. It's amazing what wins out as conventional thought aka yours n mine effective reality over the ages isn't necessarily the truth at all.
Did you know the Egyptians used Pi and the Golden Number in all of their work on Giza yet they reportedly had no knowledge of either. Historians staunchly deny it, yet it's all throughout the Great Pyramid, inside n out. It also sits precisely on the "real" equator, aka the line that runs around the diameter of Earth and intersects with the magnetic pole... which is NOT the north or South pole but a spot independent of either: true North. In other words, the Egyptians used technology and knowledge they did not and could not (through conventional modern understanding) possess. How do you suppose that happened?
Anyway, TS, I've come a long way on this. I am going to re-read the previous Signs but I was straight up delighted with this one.
Because I think we humans are decreasing in intelligency, not increasing...
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Thanks TS.....will read this today.
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Thank you TS. You made my day. :woohoo2: I was thinking and hoping that today was the day because of a few reasons.
1. The feast of first fruits is near July 18 so it could be the 17. Is it today ?? It has to do with the wheat harvest.
THE FEAST OF FIRST FRUITS (http://www.repairingthebreach.info/id50.html)
2. I found the date about Noah a few months ago and had a feeling it was an important date so I wrote it on the other site. I heard, Noah left the ark for a new life on the seventh month on the 17th day of the month.
3. All the sevens and the 17. This is the opposite of 71 (ambulance number).
:th_bravo:
I love the post TS. I will study it some more. So, I think the bible foreshadows events and dates to come.
Love You :icon_e_smile:
Wow I was thinking that too :beerchug:
Ps: sorry TS for my post number :icon_redface:
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I've been doing some independent research which coincidentally touched on a lot of these topics that TS included in this Sign, the cubit, Egyptian culture and architecture, archaeological digs in Turkey, ancient texts and writings, myths that may not be myths after all. I have no problem with the religious aspect anymore because I am thinking bigger, much much bigger; into history, archaeology, origins of man on earth, and the universe. MJ says the history books are wrong and I am learning exactly how right he is about that. It's amazing what wins out as conventional thought aka yours n mine effective reality over the ages isn't necessarily the truth at all.
Did you know the Egyptians used Pi and the Golden Number in all of their work on Giza yet they reportedly had no knowledge of either. Historians staunchly deny it, yet it's all throughout the Great Pyramid, inside n out. It also sits precisely on the "real" equator, aka the line that runs around the diameter of Earth and intersects with the magnetic pole... which is NOT the north or South pole but a spot independent of either: true North. In other words, the Egyptians used technology and knowledge they did not and could not (through conventional modern understanding) possess. How do you suppose that happened?
Anyway, TS, I've come a long way on this. I am going to re-read the previous Signs but I was straight up delighted with this one.
Because I think we humans are decreasing in intelligency, not increasing...
Agree Souza, dumbing down, and that's what I meant in the other TIAI thread when I said that some things were much more common knowledge in ancient days where now that information is kept from the public. The knowledge is still out there, you just really have to search for it. And these days people are too reliant on technology to do the thinking for them. I also believe that ancient civilizations were much more "in tune" with the world around them - they didn't have the distractions of today, the constant hum of non-natural products we've come to rely on.
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Because I think we humans are decreasing in intelligency, not increasing...
Because of the propaganda, starting with the Catholic Church, extending to modern governments and ending in the hands of the media. They create our reality and our "history". This is how it was and this is how it is because this is what we say. All you have to do is get it written in a book and it "becomes" fact.
But still, why didn't the ancient Egyptians write down about Pi? They wrote about many other things, walls n walls full of hieroglyphics, no mention of pi, no mention of the golden number. No right angles found, no T squares, nada. How did they create perfect right angles without that tool? It's impossible to create a right angle without a T square, yet NONE have been found. Why? How did they light the inner chambers when creating them within the pyramids. There is no carbon on the ceilings from torches, they used something else to illuminate the space. They must have had light, their work on the inner chamber is *perfect* 3' square, perfect right angles, perfect symmetrical slopes. You don't do that in the dark. Copper mirrors? Why can't it be done today if it was effective enough to work by? These are questions to ponder, these are ancient mysteries never solved, yet historians ignore these facts, they are absent from the texts. No one seems to care to wonder.
I wonder.
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Thank you TS and God bless you
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Always with L.O.V.E. :-*
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Because I think we humans are decreasing in intelligency, not increasing...
Because of the propaganda, starting with the Catholic Church, extending to modern governments and ending in the hands of the media. They create our reality and our "history". This is how it was and this is how it is because this is what we say. All you have to do is get it written in a book and it "becomes" fact.
But still, why didn't the ancient Egyptians write down about Pi? They wrote about many other things, walls n walls full of hieroglyphics, no mention of pi, no mention of the golden number. No right angles found, no T squares, nada. How did they create perfect right angles without that tool? It's impossible to create a right angle without a T square, yet NONE have been found. Why? How did they light the inner chambers when creating them within the pyramids. There is no carbon on the ceilings from torches, they used something else to illuminate the space. They must have had light, their work on the inner chamber is *perfect* 3' square, perfect right angles, perfect symmetrical slopes. You don't do that in the dark. Copper mirrors? Why can't it be done today if it was effective enough to work by? These are questions to ponder, these are ancient mysteries never solved, yet historians ignore these facts, they are absent from the texts. No one seems to care to wonder.
I wonder.
There's evidence of civilizations way way way more advanced than us that lived long ago. I think they had technology that was very advanced. It is kept secret and hidden. The military and governments have very advanced technology now that is not available to the general public. I heard that they are 50-100 years ahead of the general public regarding the use of technology. I am seeing that history, science, and other texts used in school are either missing information or have it all wrong. It's almost like we have to learn everything all over again.
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I discovered that theory as well, Dontwalkaway, it suggests that the Egyptians were actually squatters at Giza, they didn't build it, they just moved in later and claimed it as their own. The theory suggests the great pyramid is much much older. After all, we can't date rock, only the artifacts and carbon based items found within and around it.
Additionally, identical building techniques which are 100% earthquake proof exist on all continents of the world, seemingly built independent of each other and by cultures who presumably had no contact with nor knowledge of each other. Again, we are talking megalithic structures which are *impossible* for us to build today, even with all our machines and technology, somehow ancient people who didn't even possess iron or the wheel were able to build these things using just brute strength? I don't accept that.
(http://img3.photographersdirect.com/img/11059/wm/pd620309.jpg)
Ancient people carved THIS with copper chisels and rocks? Come on. This rock is andesite and granite, both much harder then copper. Impossible. Only thing harder then andesite or granite is diamond.
And this was carved by people wearing animal skins and living in grass huts?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VoFM4aW7x9A/TNzmiSPonSI/AAAAAAAADxg/w2Gxa2lyaCc/s1600/toppled-axumite-obelisk-500.jpg)
And this? These are all *perfect* right angles.
(http://www.paleoseti.com/bilder/pumapunku/Puma%20Punku014.jpg)
This, from the same site, dated to 2000BC, this is clearly machine work:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-in3Ch0aSMmQ/T-UDrT-JlzI/AAAAAAAADgs/SR3_KeJdlDs/s1600/pumapunku3.jpg)
(http://davidpratt.info/americas/andes7%20puma10.jpg)
This, a perfectly cylindrical hole drilled directly through the corner of a granite block, perfect. Several examples of this at Pima Punku. Even the Egyptians didn't do this:
(http://www.ufo-contact.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/machined-holes-at-the-ruins-of-Puma-Punku.jpeg)
And this wall. Totally earthquake proof. These people, given credit for this work by "historians" didn't even have a written language and we are supposed to accept that they built all this? How in the world? These rocks are 10, 20, 40, even 100 metric tons. Quarried 90km away across a lake and at the bottom of a valley. They think these people used llama skin ropes to drag them that distance and up the hills. No trees of any decent size grow there. Imagine this. We can't even duplicate it now.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-cFo1vd8Sn-g/T-UDsGdc0FI/AAAAAAAADg0/gMNq0U1tPWg/s1600/sacsayhuaman_cusco_06.jpg)
Yet this is all accepted as historical fact. Google search Puma Punku. It will blow your mind. Easter Island, Great Pyramids at Giza too. Many other sites around the world.
There is lots more to the story.
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Because I think we humans are decreasing in intelligency, not increasing...
Because of the propaganda, starting with the Catholic Church, extending to modern governments and ending in the hands of the media. They create our reality and our "history". This is how it was and this is how it is because this is what we say. All you have to do is get it written in a book and it "becomes" fact.
But still, why didn't the ancient Egyptians write down about Pi? They wrote about many other things, walls n walls full of hieroglyphics, no mention of pi, no mention of the golden number. No right angles found, no T squares, nada. How did they create perfect right angles without that tool? It's impossible to create a right angle without a T square, yet NONE have been found. Why? How did they light the inner chambers when creating them within the pyramids. There is no carbon on the ceilings from torches, they used something else to illuminate the space. They must have had light, their work on the inner chamber is *perfect* 3' square, perfect right angles, perfect symmetrical slopes. You don't do that in the dark. Copper mirrors? Why can't it be done today if it was effective enough to work by? These are questions to ponder, these are ancient mysteries never solved, yet historians ignore these facts, they are absent from the texts. No one seems to care to wonder.
I wonder.
I studied in a Catholic school and when some child or girl said something that was not in the history books, the response of those "teachers" was the physical punishment.
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRB15GByiT0Gm5pAOl6-Bi0HxRd8ROa1p9HBUZ9jg-eJA9ll0HMyV6hGALy1Q)
My sister received a "punishment" of a nun that was to lift it from its seat by an ear the result was an ear injury,....... most never return to that college.
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A few year ago I read about a Turkish and Chinese researchers who claim to have located the biblical Noe Ark on Mount Ararat. One of the members of the group, the Chinese said have located an old wood structure to an altitude of 4,000 meters at the Ararat, and the said is not one hundred per cent sure that it was the Ark, but if we think that is the "99.9 percent" :icon_lol: :icon_e_confused:
Tomorrow I will read once more
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Sign 4 is up:
SIGN #4: THE DAYS OF NOAH, AND THE DAYS OF LOT (http://www.michaelsarmyoflove.com/forum/index.php?topic=97.0)
Thank you TS, I've read the entire post now and did not rush. Another eye opener from start to finish (< -- huge understatement).
I feel the same way about Ron Wyatt, that he was chosen and guided by God because there is no other explanation for all of his discoveries, imo. It can't be debunked, there are 2 or more (MORE) points that support what he found, physically and in the Biblical descriptions.
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I'm off to read now, but one thing I've noticed. TS has posted a new sign every other month...
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Because I think we humans are decreasing in intelligency, not increasing...
Because of the propaganda, starting with the Catholic Church, extending to modern governments and ending in the hands of the media. They create our reality and our "history". This is how it was and this is how it is because this is what we say. All you have to do is get it written in a book and it "becomes" fact.
But still, why didn't the ancient Egyptians write down about Pi? They wrote about many other things, walls n walls full of hieroglyphics, no mention of pi, no mention of the golden number. No right angles found, no T squares, nada. How did they create perfect right angles without that tool? It's impossible to create a right angle without a T square, yet NONE have been found. Why? How did they light the inner chambers when creating them within the pyramids. There is no carbon on the ceilings from torches, they used something else to illuminate the space. They must have had light, their work on the inner chamber is *perfect* 3' square, perfect right angles, perfect symmetrical slopes. You don't do that in the dark. Copper mirrors? Why can't it be done today if it was effective enough to work by? These are questions to ponder, these are ancient mysteries never solved, yet historians ignore these facts, they are absent from the texts. No one seems to care to wonder.
I wonder.
I believe there was no need to write it down, because I believe people were able to remember more, if not everything. We still have people today with a photographic memory, who says that's not what we all had some few thousand years ago?
BTW: Carbon dating is a 'hoax', it's extremely inaccurate. In a test they once dated a petrified pickle (from only a few years old) as being 400+ years old. They date the fossils to the layer in the earth they were found and the layer's age is determined by the fossils that were found in it. That's circular reasoning and me being russian royalty makes more sense.
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@ bec,
the workers didn't need to light the pyramid because the light was already there. Try to imagine how the pyramid was built and for what purpose. The picture I found in the internet is quite funny but it shows how archeologists see it.
(http://www.jigsaw-puzzle-club.co.uk/Jigsaws/DT61218CC03_Egypt-Building%20the%20Pyramids-jigsaw-puzzle-w.jpg)
(http://homer.ceat.okstate.edu/2003/pyrm._const._ramp_.jpg)
The workers started with a big square. When the pyramid got higher, then they surrounded it with mud ramps. Inside the great pyramid there are only 3 chambers. They were only putting stone on stone and filling certain areas with sand. When they reached the level of the a certain chamber, the sarcophagus was dragged inside it, sliding on the ramps, as the were no ceiling yet. So as you see in the picture, as there was no ceiling yet, day light was everywhere. After the finished building the pyramid and the ramps has reached the top of it, they covered the pyramid with flat stones. Now the work direction changed because they were covering the top first, removing the ramps at the same time when a side is covered. By reaching the bottom of the pyramid, all sides were covered with that flat stone and the ramp was removed completely.
(http://www.world-mysteries.com/ramp1.gif)
Any pyramid was used only once, as it is the tomb of the King, nothing more nothing less. So during the burial ceremony , the mummy of the King was carried by the workers to the pyramid along with everything he used during his life time. Because there is no light inside the pyramid, they had to use candles or any other light source to light the way to the burial chamber. After the king is buried and his stuff putt in the other chambers, the door was closed and hidden. There are also tramps inside the pyramids and passages that lead to empty parts to prevent tomb thieves from stealing the King's treasures. But thieves succeeded to steal them though.
There are more than 110 pyramids in Egypt and all of them were built the same way. The only pyramid that has the perfect dimensions is the great pyramid in Giza. I guess, I have mentioned before that the tombs of the workers, a small hospital, and building tools were found near the pyramid.
All building a mummification secrets were written on papyrus and kept in the holy tempels, in the "Holy of the Holies", where only the priests have access to. But as the Egyptians history was full of turmoils, wars and even changes of religion, so these manuscripts were in danger. When the Greek invaded Egypt and built the library of Alexandria, the largest library of the ancient world, all the remaining of the manuscripts were collected and kept there. But unfortunately the library was set on fire by Julius Caesar and many manuscripts, building and mummification secrets were gone forever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria)
I hope that was useful.
As far as the wholes are concerned, old Egyptians knew diamonds. The were using them to make statues out of very hard stones like quartz for example. Quarts comes after diamonds and is a very hard stone. So it's not only the wholes that were formed so exact and fine, but also the statues. So if we leave the outer space invasion and technology aside, everything is explainable, except for witchcraft!
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Bec
I have no problem with the religious aspect anymore because I am thinking bigger, much much bigger; into history, archaeology, origins of man on earth, and the universe.
I like that you're open!
Paula-c, that's awful about your sister. :icon_e_sad: It seems most people on earth tend to resist new information that goes against what they've believed, but change is slowly coming.
I thoroughly enjoyed reading Sign #4, as all of them!! Just to be fair, here's an article questioning Ron Wyatt's claims of finding the Ark, but it doesn't seem to find enough to dismiss his claims to me.
Has Noah's Ark Been Found? Part II (http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/HasNoahsArkBeenFound2.html)
Many years ago I read a book, I think called something like, The Search for Noah's Ark. It was however the story of the treacherous difficulty and climb up the snowy Mount Ararat, and locals claim there was an ark once seen and touched, as well as a Russian explorer (his photos confiscated apparently) so nothing concrete was actually found. The ark was said to be in 2 pieces, half further down the mountain, but both permanently buried in snow and ice. So from my memory the evidence was almost entirely anecdotal. Most of the Christian world seemed to believe that location.
The Search for Noah's Ark (http://www.arksearch.com/)
The careful Bible study that TS showed us, really helped me to see which site is more likely the accurate one; not only strong Scriptural support but logic.
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Great redirect, and so easy to understand....thank god. I usually struggle with all the old version scripture, but this is in plain English. :multiplespotting:
Will read it again.....How many signs are there??? Oh that's right .........seven !!
Seven Major Prophetic Signs Of The Second Coming | GraceThruFaith (http://gracethrufaith.com/ikvot-hamashiach/seven-major-prophetic-signs-of-the-second-coming/)
Thanks, The truth
Isn't it ironic, don't you think, that a Movie about Noah's Arc is just starting to be fimed this month of July....
Russell Crowe Confirmed for Darren Aronofsky’s NOAH; Production Begins This July in New York and Icelandby Adam Chitwood
Posted:April 22nd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Though we pretty much already knew he was onboard, Paramount and New Regency announced today that Russell Crowe is officially set to play Noah in Darren Aronofsky’s Biblical epic Noah. The film is “a close adaptation of the Biblical story of Noah’s Ark, in which the titular Noah is given a divine mission of building an ark to save creation from the impending flood. Aronofsky wrote the screenplay alongside Ari Handel, and John Logan (Gladiator, Hugo) performed revisions. Interestingly, the press release notes that production will begin this July in New York and Iceland. Hit the jump for more.
According to scripture, Noah’s Ark came to rest in the Mountains of Ararat, which is today located in Turkey. I’m not incredibly familiar with the geography of Iceland, but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t look like Turkey. It’s possible that Aronofsky is still firming up other locations, or maybe they’ll do a bang-up job changing Iceland’s climate.
The film’s release date is set for March of 2014, so it’s also possible that the long post-production schedule means Aronofsky is utilizing a great deal of visual effects to bring the Biblical tale to life. Whatever the case, I’m incredibly excited to see that Noah is moving forward. Liam Neeson has been mentioned in connection with the other lead role in the film, but he has yet to official come onboard. Read the full press release below. Noah opens on March 28th, 2014.
Russell Crowe Confirmed for NOAH; Filming Begins This July in New York and Iceland (http://collider.com/russell-crowe-noah-iceland/161135/)
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I don't think people are becoming less intelligent but that there is so much information and so many vehicles by which to come to a simple conclusion that it has become almost impossible to digest it all. When things were simple and people's minds were free of clutter and the the buzz buzz of electronic devices and vices, they were able to hone in to their crafts and perfect them.
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Thanks, diggyon, I'm not sure I accept that explanation but I appreciate the alternate theory.
Another unexplained curiosity is how the statue of Ramses is perfectly symmetrical, the left side matches the right side like a mirror image. Having been an artisan, I'm not sure that is possible to do on that scale by hand, working with copper chisels on solid rock without the assistance of computers and machines.
This really isn't the topic though so I think I oughta stop junking up the thread. This Sign just reminded me about this stuff n I'm sort of into it so I got carried away.
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I have no problem with the religious aspect anymore because I am thinking bigger, much much bigger; into history, archaeology, origins of man on earth, and the universe. MJ says the history books are wrong and I am learning exactly how right he is about that. It's amazing what wins out as conventional thought aka yours n mine effective reality over the ages isn't necessarily the truth at all.
well i'll be... kudos to you for being open minded.
To those interested:
i found the below interesting when i started to research archeological, historical evidence of the flood 15 years ago when doing a personal research project. when trying to prove the flood to myself, learning about these primitive and native legends combined with written biblical account, heightened my faith in a global flood caused by God. here is the info:
Native global flood stories are documented as history or legend in almost every region on earth. Old world missionaries reported their amazement at finding remote tribes already possessing legends with tremendous similarities to the Bible's accounts of the worldwide flood. H.S. Bellamy in Moons, Myths and Men estimates that altogether there are over 500 Flood legends worldwide. Ancient civilizations such as (China, Babylonia, Wales, Russia, India, America, Hawaii, Scandinavia, Sumatra, Peru, and Polynesia) all have their own versions of a giant flood.
These flood tales are frequently linked by common elements that parallel the Biblical account including the warning of the coming flood, the construction of a boat in advance, the storage of animals, the inclusion of family, and the release of birds to determine if the water level had subsided. The overwhelming consistency among flood legends found in distant parts of the globe indicates they were derived from the same origin (the Bible's record), but oral transcription has changed the details through time.
Legend:
D = Destruction by Water
G = (God) Divine Cause
W = Warning Given
H = Humans Spared
A = Animals Spared
V = Preserved in a Vessel
D H A V Australia- Kurnai
D W H A V Babylon- Berossus' account
D G W H A V Babylon- Gilgamesh epic
D G W H V Bolivia- Chiriguano
D H A V Borneo- Sea Dayak
D H A V Burma- Singpho
D G H A V Canada- Cree
D G W H A V Canada- Montagnais
D G H A V China- Lolo
D W H A V Cuba- original natives
D G W H A V East Africa- Masai
D G W H V Egypt- Book of the Dead
D G H V Fiji- Walavu-levu tradition
D G W H A French Polynesia- Raiatea
D H A V Greece- Lucian's account
D G H A V Guyana- Macushi
D G H V Iceland- Eddas
D G H V India- Andaman Islands
D W H A V India- Bhil
D G W H V India-Kamar
D W H A Iran- Zend-Avesta
D G H V Italy- Ovid's poetry
D G H V Malay Peninsula- Jekun
D W H V Mexico- Codex Chimalpopoca
D W H A V Mexico- Huichol
D G H V New Zealand- Maori
D W H A Peru- Indians of Huarochiri
D W H V Russia- Vogul
D W H A V U.S.A. (Alaska)- Kolusches
D G H A V U.S.A. (Alaska)- Tlingit
D W H A V U.S.A. (Arizona)- Papago
D G H A V U.S.A. (Hawaii)- legend of Nu-u
D H A V Vanualu- Melanesians
D H A V Vietnam- Bahnar
D H A V Wales- Dwyfan/Dwyfan legend
D=35 G=18 W=17 H=35 A=24 V =32 Total Occurrences out of 35
Should anyone be interested:
Here is an interesting post that I made on Michaelsarmyoflove back in Janurary and just want to copy it over here as it is flood proof related. we were talking about seashell fossils found in mountains at the time. petrified shell fish found in mountains, etc....
yes i love this fact. i always use it when conversing with non ark / flood believers. the only explanation is the bibles great flood which some refuse to believe.
not sure if you know, but not only have sea fossils been found in high mountanous regions, but also whales!!!
A "Whale" of a Fossil:
Or should we say "a fossil of a whale? It's true, but what is most interesting about it is how it was buried. In 1976, workers from the Dicalite division of Grefco inc. found the remains of a baleen whale entombed vertically in a diatomaceous earth quarry.
"They've found fossils there before; in fact the machinery operators have learned a good deal about them and carefully annotate any they find with the name of the collector, the date, and the exact place found. Each discovery is turned over to Lawrence G. Barnes at the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County. The Whale, however, is one of the largest fossils ever collected anywhere... (It) is standing on end.. and is being exposed gradually as the diatomite is mined. Only the head and a small part of the body are visible as yet.
"The modern baleen whale is 80 to 90 feet long and has a head of similar size, indicating that the fossil may be close to 80 feet long.
More Fossil Whales:
"In bogs covering glacial deposits in Michigan, skeletons of two whales were discovered ... How did they come to Michigan in the post-glacial epoch? Glaciers do not carry whales, and the ice sheet would not have brought them to the middle of a continent... Was there a sea in Michigan after the glacial epoch, only a few thousand years ago?"
"Bones of Whale have been found 440 feet above sea level, north of Lake Ontario; a skeleton of another whale was discovered in Vermont, more than 500 feet above sea level; and still another in the Montreal-Quebec area, about 600 feet above sea level..."
@ bec re: your posts on pyramids, right angles, wheel, T square etc - just a few points to consider. though i have NO IDEA how the pyramids were built and it is a conundrum that i too have no answers on even after exstensive research for such answers, a few side points are: the wheel *was* invented by this stage, if you are going by biblical history, which we seem to be with flood at current. early texts make mention of such. i:e: pharoah's chariots, etc. also, if we are taking *biblical* history into account, other megastructures with similar materials and elements had been done in times before. i am thinking tower of babel mentioned in genesis, which indicated that the top of the tower reached the heavens. so major structures had been made even before the time of egypts pyramids. how? i dont know. i am without answers here. but there must have been a way. only a few years later, major structures were also built in medo persia, city walls, massive god like structures and statues, etc. so their must have been similar methods used that were known to mankind at that time. what those methods are? beats me! another thing i was thinking of the building of the ark. obviously we are not talking about granite, etc, but various tools, pulleys, wheels must have been in order to a) get the animals in, b) make the ark itsself, c) cart over a years supplies of food into the ark. i guess my thought is, that maybe during pyramid era, larger scale and heavier duty systems were used in egypt, based on other ancient methods. but its frustrating not to know, i concur!
and really, your guess is as good as mine. :icon_e_wink:
@ souza
Because I think we humans are decreasing in intelligency, not increasing...
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I believe there was no need to write it down, because I believe people were able to remember more, if not everything. We still have people today with a photographic memory, who says that's not what we all had some few thousand years ago?
i completely agree.
no obligation to read on, this is a long one i know. sorry. :icon_redface: :icon_redface: :icon_redface:
for those interested: one of the reasons why, actually the main reason i think this is, is because we are a degenerating human race, getting weaker and weaker with each generation that predated us and ultimately moving further and further away from 'perfection' which is how we were originally created by god.
if we look at the bible account, adam and eve were created perfect by God. they sinned and lost perfection. they were supposed to live forever. but instead they died. their offspring lived to a considerably old age 800 years plus...
see genesis chapter 5: This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. 2 Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created. 3 When Adam had lived a hundred and thirty years, he became the father of a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. 4 The days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years; and he had other sons and daughters. 5 Thus all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died. 6 When Seth had lived a hundred and five years, he became the father of Enosh. 7 Seth lived after the birth of Enosh eight hundred and seven years, and had other sons and daughters. 8 Thus all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years; and he died. 9 When Enosh had lived ninety years, he became the father of Kenan. 10 Enosh lived after the birth of Kenan eight hundred and fifteen years, and had other sons and daughters. 11 Thus all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years; and he died. 12 When Kenan had lived seventy years, he became the father of Ma-hal'alel. 13 Kenan lived after the birth of Ma-hal'alel eight hundred and forty years, and had other sons and daughters. 14 Thus all the days of Kenan were nine hundred and ten years; and he died. 15 When Ma-hal'alel had lived sixty-five years, he became the father of Jared. 16 Ma-hal'alel lived after the birth of Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and had other sons and daughters. 17 Thus all the days of Ma-hal'alel were eight hundred and ninety-five years; and he died. 18 When Jared had lived a hundred and sixty-two years he became the father of Enoch. 19 Jared lived after the birth of Enoch eight hundred years, and had other sons and daughters. 20 Thus all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died. 21 When Enoch had lived sixty-five years, he became the father of Methu'selah. 22 Enoch walked with God after the birth of Methu'selah three hundred years, and had other sons and daughters. 23 Thus all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24 Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him. 25 When Methu'selah had lived a hundred and eighty-seven years, he became the father of Lamech. 26 Methu'selah lived after the birth of Lamech seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had other sons and daughters. 27 Thus all the days of Methu'selah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years; and he died.
a few books into the bible, people start living to approximately the 600 year mark. then even later, around the 300 mark. then mid bible, around the 150 - 180 year mark. humans lifespan expectancy declined. so did health, talents, abilities and perhaps stregnth and senses.
my point is, that a human race that we view as primitive (although they have actually been primitive in some aspects) may have been stronger, more intelligent, capable, than we actually give credit for, because they were closer to perfection. they may have been able to accomplish things then that today appear uncomprehensible.
and to other readers, i respect, that if you arent a biblically inclined person this answer may not satisfy you. i personally found some thing in this line of reasoning, but *get* that this might not work for everyone.
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Re: the wheel and not possessing the technology, I was referring to other cultures, Mesopotamia, Ancient Andean cultures, Easter Island, etc, other sites where Megalithic structures have been erected by cultures modern day scientists deny possessed written language, complex mathematics, or the wheel; aka they were utilizing technology they weren't given credit for even having. Giza is just one, and the youngest of these sites, possibly, if it actually was built by the culture we give credit for it. If I fudged that or wasn't clear I apologize.
Ps. They say these sites all sit on the "true" equator running through the Earth's magnetic pole. All on the same line, a line that runs exactly around the circumference of the Earth and bisecting the magnetic pole. That is too mind boggling to be a coincidence. How can that possibly be? These ancient people supposedly had no knowledge of the global Earth much less the ability to determine it's magnetic pole, much less the location of other cultures spanning the globe and the centuries.
There are megalithic structures below the sea, not too far under water, shallow enough to dive to but deep enough to where they didn't just fall victim to an encroaching sea levels even over the eons. Entire cities constructed of megalithic stones; streets, stairways, columns, ruins of temples, aqueducts, again, perfect right angles, perfectly on level, foundations set into bedrock, all under water right now. Completely ignored by modern science. Why?
Megalithic structures built 100 miles from their quarries in lands without major trees, blocks weighing 100+ tons being moved uphill n across lakes and rivers by people with llama skin ropes? When today, these accomplishments cannot be duplicated, and not for lack of trying. Occasionally over the years in modern times, some organization attempts to "show how it was done" and recreate the moving of megalithic blocks. All have failed to date. Even when they "cheat" and use some modern technology, they have been unsuccessful and the project has been abandoned.
Regardless, look at that wall I posted the pic of. That complex, irregular, interlocking stone work is so precise, you cannot fit a razor blade between the stones, and historians say this work was done by people who lacked a written language... these are prehistoric people... yet somehow they were able to instruct rock cutters at a quarry 100 miles away exactly what stones they needed to fit where and have them cut so perfectly that they fit like that, not to mention transport them, and then hoist and erect them in position with such perfection that they have outlasted the eons.
There is more to the story. That is all I am saying.
Re: global flood, agreed that "legends" from all these cultures all over the world being so incredibly similar to one another... from peoples who we don't believe could have had any contact with or knowledge of each other, is telling. Just so I have this straight, Noah's flood is reported to have occurred a couple hundred years before the "birth" of Christ, correct?
Re: writing down knowledge. I do not believe that every single culture that created these Megaliths chose to omit the information of how/why they did what they did coincidentally when those who did have a written language chose to write about so many other random and seemingly insignificant things about themselves. That just doesn't make sense to me and seems like a stretch. Not ONE culture chose to mention even ONE thing about their grandiose technology that allowed them to built such magnificent structures? They chose to construct such monuments that would last eons past when they would need to utilize them for a reason. You don't built something to last forever for no reason. You build something to last forever as a time capsule of your achievement because you're proud of yourself and your technology, you make your claim; look, future generations, we were here and this is what we did. Considering the time and effort required during a time when life was anything but easy, I cannot easily accept the explanation that they didn't leave records simply because they didn't care or see any point in sharing.
Maybe they were destroyed? Possible. That's more possible to me then the concept that they never existed at all.
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Thank you for Sign 4, TS. I took the time to read and absorb your clear research and illustrations, which you posted on "the day that Noah's ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat".
Genesis 8:4, “And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.”
Your research on the timeline of the ark's landing is interesting and truly inspires me to question more historical "facts" which are considered and even concluded as the truth for ages.
quote TS:
In some of the Ararat expeditions, people have made big claims about finding the remnants of a large boat near the mountain top. However, they have all failed to bring back any real evidence to support their claims.
I think it is almost a necessity to question the historical "facts' and to do research for or make efforts to find evidence closest to the truth. It is the awareness that counts, not only in history but also NOW. I see and believe in EOW as a human awareness about the value of the earth and the universe.
L.O.V.E.
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I always appreciate reading your posts, TS - even when some of the details aren't what I believe or I don't understand your meaning. You make some interesting points that I haven't thought about before.
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I've mentioned before about the Coral Castle in Florida, where its builder Ed Leedskalnin said he used the same secrets the pyramid-builders use, but he died taking them with him. There were people all around him who could see stages of the castle being built but never his methods--very mysterious. He built it ALONE. If you haven't heard about this guy before, it will blow your mind, and you'll never believe in the pyramid ramps again.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amXsPcD7g5g[/youtube]
Years ago I did a LOT of reading in the creationist position on the flood. One of the best was a thick textbook, so foundational:
In 1961, Henry M. Morris (a hydraulic engineer), and John C. Whitcomb wrote The Genesis Flood, which advocated creationism and flood geology. In it he cited an influence by George McCready Price, a Seventh-day Adventist schoolteacher and defender of creationism in the early 20th century. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_M._Morris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_M._Morris)
I also believe on the other site (or search) there are good videos by Kent Hovind on the Genesis Flood.
Evan Almighty was a hilarious movie where Morgan Freeman was God, and Steve Carell was Noah. Now I'll have to see it again in a new light. Wiki, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Almighty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Almighty)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/14/Evan_almightymp1.jpg)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e608ed_xxaQ[/youtube]
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Thank you TS. You made my day. :woohoo2: I was thinking and hoping that today was the day because of a few reasons.
1. The feast of first fruits is near July 18 so it could be the 17. Is it today ?? It has to do with the wheat harvest.
THE FEAST OF FIRST FRUITS (http://www.repairingthebreach.info/id50.html)
2. I found the date about Noah a few months ago and had a feeling it was an important date so I wrote it on the other site. I heard, Noah left the ark for a new life on the seventh month on the 17th day of the month.
3. All the sevens and the 17. This is the opposite of 71 (ambulance number).
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I love the post TS. I will study it some more. So, I think the bible foreshadows events and dates to come.
Love You :icon_e_smile:
:th_bravo: you got it right Dontwalkaway!
So... when do you think Sign 5 is scheduled for?
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Instead of Noah the preacher, it should now be-- Michael/TS the preacher!
I would love to read one of his Bible studies every week of the year!!
So far, the days between his signs are-- (any patterns you mathematicians/numerologists?)
Jan. 21, March 6, May 27, July 17.
45, 82, 51
The average of 45, 82, and 51 = 59.
So I added 59 to July 17 and so on. The next 3 projected dates would be:
Sept. 14, Nov. 12, and Jan. 10. So that means TS is gonna have be a little quicker with the next 3 to make it under the wire.
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Sarahli, I don't know the dates for sure. Only TS knows.
I am following the dates of the Jewish festivals. Maybe that is what TS is doing because it seems like we have followed the first two so far. May 27 and July 17.
May 27-Pentecost
July 17- Possibly the Feast of First Fruits
September 17- Roshashanah-Trumpets
September 26-Yom Kippur
October 1- Sukkot-Tabernacles
Also, maybe we have to look at significant dates in the bible. It seems like the bible is saying that Noah started his new life on the 17th of the seventh month. This is when he opened the door. Maybe other important people/events share this date. Maybe we have to look at what happened on other significant dates with other significant people such as Noah, Moses, Jesus, and even Enoch and others. They follow the dates of the festivals and feasts. That's why the festivals and feasts are important. They are following God's appointed times. We can't change these times if we want to follow God's plan. So, I just had a thought. Is there a date for when Noah actually left the ark ? I'll have to read the post again and the bible again.
To know what is going on we have to follow the creator's calendar. Satan/devil/TPTB don't want us to follow it. That's why they changed it and changed the Sabbath days etc. They want to confuse us so we will not know the appointed times. There's a debate about the correct calendar and confusion about it. We have to calculate it using directions given in the bible. I didn't calculate the dates above. I just copied them from a calendar I have so I am not 100% sure they are correct. If they match up with dates in the bible regarding previous events then we have more evidence that they are correct.
Love You All
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Okay,
I just looked over TS post real quick. There is information about the tenth month on the first day of the month. Maybe October 1 is important. This was when the window of the ark was opened and the Dove was sent out. October 1 is the feast of Tabernacles or Sukkot this year.
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Ah the coral castle. Im glad u brought that up, mjonmind. That guy did indeed move giant stones by himself, alone, n reportedly said he did it via levitation aka anti-gravity.
I do not believe the ropes n sledges theory. Ramps possibly, but i have a feeling they may have simply escorted the stones on their route.
Thanks for throwing that out there.
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"December 26 2010 was released on the web site of Julian Assange, Wikileaks, a document showing that a cable of 1968, which revealed that the Governments of the United States and Turkey had concealed the discovery of Noah's Ark on Ararat. In addition, Turkey collaborated with the United States for the recovery of all the materials of the Ark, which were brought to North American territory, where they were hidden".
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1EzEMZguwQw/Ty73WYMxGAI/AAAAAAAAH-0/7I35i74zHhg/s1600/arca-cable2.jpg)
In the world of the leaks, a source of filtration, regardless of whether it is true as if it is fraudulent, must provide truthful reports, precisely for no one suspected his true activity. So Wikileaks, outside which was his intention, whether he has collaborated with the Government as if no, has had to necessarily filter real reports. Another thing is the last and authentic end that can pursue.
In the coming years, possibly Satanic elites of the world power to inform some biblical discoveries, simply to increase a religious faith then use for the arrival of the false Messiah. Some of these discoveries will be false mounts, the Ark of the Covenant, the shroud of Turin, etc...
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I honestly think you're right Paula. There is parallel lines of true and fraud running right through all the Biblical prophecy and fulfillment; true Christ and anti-christ. Ethiopian false Ark of the Covenant and Ron Wyatt's true AotC, Mt. Ararat false Noah's ark, and RW's true ark, the false shroud of Turin likely from Leonardo DaVinci or from Jack Demoley that closely resembles Prince William, and who knows what true shroud there might be or genetic finds from the blood on RW's AotC. Interesting that an image of something like the shroud was on MJ's auopsy pic abdomen area, as if we should take note. Of course we simply don't know if MJ's supposed corpse was really MJ just posing for the pic, with make-up or with photo-shop, or a look-alike dummy. The implications are the same.
You're welcome Bec, this all because of your post. Jermaine Jackson Remember This Is not Really It - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-My8PJO3qTs)
It's interesting how TS dwelled on the detail of the two cubit lengths, a good example again of when the religious world gets certain things wrong, there are other important Scriptural understandings that will also be wrong. Laying foundations brick by brick for massive deception and wrong thinking. It seems the Vatican, the government, and the secret societies (NWO) are in cahoots on all the false strains. I'm sticking with Michael --because there is NO OTHER place to go for me personally. All my faith is riding in him.
DWA, I'm glad you're still pursuing the Feast days in the modern calendar, and possible links to dates used by TS or Front. I'm afraid I don't have a clue which way is correct.
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MJonMind I'm still looking at the feast days and the calendar because I'm thinking it was given to us to help us determine what is true and what is false. I guess TPTB could follow it also but it might be hard for everything to work out exactly perfect for them. God's/plans/times are set up to work out with precision. There are also mathematical calculations we can do to help us. David Flynn wrote a book about this that I want to get. For example, he did calculations involving the date of significant events and the distance in miles to Jerusalem. The year of the event equals the number of miles to Jerusalem. The numbers PI,33,2012 are involved in calculations. I don't know if this is in David Flynn's book or not but I have an idea. I wanted to draw a circle on a world map with a compass using Jerusalem as the center. The radius of the circle would be 2012 miles. We could then determine all the points that are 2012 miles from Jerusalem. When 2013 starts then we have to draw another circle. The radius 2013 miles from Jerusalem. This will help us know if it is in God's plan or not. Just a thought.
Maybe we could also look at geometry and sacred geometry and the lines of latitude and longitude and the energy (ley)lines. It might be all connected somehow. The cities that are on the 33 degree line are important.
I'm just thinking that this would help us determine true from false. I am with you MJonMind, I'm sticking with Michael. Maybe these measurements, and calculations would help support his messages. What do you think ?
Love You Michael and all of you.
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Dontwalkaway your information very interesting, did not know David Flynn and wanted to see what it is. This video is very interesting (a bit long)
2012 Year of Resurrection-David Flynn
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ou60mbgW41U#![/youtube]
Maybe a little off topic :icon_redface:
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Sarahli, I don't know the dates for sure. Only TS knows.
I am following the dates of the Jewish festivals. Maybe that is what TS is doing because it seems like we have followed the first two so far. May 27 and July 17.
May 27-Pentecost
July 17- Possibly the Feast of First Fruits
September 17- Roshashanah-Trumpets
September 26-Yom Kippur
October 1- Sukkot-Tabernacles
Also, maybe we have to look at significant dates in the bible. It seems like the bible is saying that Noah started his new life on the 17th of the seventh month. This is when he opened the door. Maybe other important people/events share this date. Maybe we have to look at what happened on other significant dates with other significant people such as Noah, Moses, Jesus, and even Enoch and others. They follow the dates of the festivals and feasts. That's why the festivals and feasts are important. They are following God's appointed times. We can't change these times if we want to follow God's plan. So, I just had a thought. Is there a date for when Noah actually left the ark ? I'll have to read the post again and the bible again.
To know what is going on we have to follow the creator's calendar. Satan/devil/TPTB don't want us to follow it. That's why they changed it and changed the Sabbath days etc. They want to confuse us so we will not know the appointed times. There's a debate about the correct calendar and confusion about it. We have to calculate it using directions given in the bible. I didn't calculate the dates above. I just copied them from a calendar I have so I am not 100% sure they are correct. If they match up with dates in the bible regarding previous events then we have more evidence that they are correct.
Love You All
September 17- Roshashanah-Trumpets
I don't know if it means anything but BAD25 is being released the day after this, on September 18th....
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I have now read Sign #4 and I have to say for a person with a non-religious "background" I found it really interesting and I understood it. I really don't know the Bible very well at all, but I have to say all the Signs have taught me alot!
This probably sounds incredibly simple to those who are more knowledgeable in the Bible than I am, but the main over-arching message I have garnered from all the Signs so far is that the Bible is being used for evil purposes by evil doers in the world (whether that be TPTB, Illuminati etc) .....and we are being lied to about events, information, evidence and happenings in the Bible by those with power who want to control us. The real information, such as The True Ark of the Covenant & the real location of Noah's Ark etc, is being hidden from us and it's being manipulated to meet their own agenda......and if it's happening with the Bible then of course it can be happening with everything controlled by powerful people/organisations.
I am looking forward to reading the next 3 Signs.
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ugh! There were no workers, aliens bulled the pyramids and all the amazing ancient structures around the world, there is no Jesus, and no Moses. Hell doesn't exist, all the characters in bible were extra-terrestrials and aliens created our physicality. the end
Alex Collier - Radio Interview - Coast to Coast AM - 1998 | Alex Collier (http://www.alexcollier.org/alex-collier-radio-interview-coast-to-coast-am-1998/)
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ugh! There were no workers, aliens bulled the pyramids and all the amazing ancient structures around the world, there were no Jesus, and no Moses. Hell doesn't exist, all the characters in bible were extra-terrestrials and aliens created our physicality. the end
Alex Collier - Radio Interview - Coast to Coast AM - 1998 | Alex Collier (http://www.alexcollier.org/alex-collier-radio-interview-coast-to-coast-am-1998/)
Your better off saying Jesus and Moses (especially Jesus) were ordinary people than to say they NEVER existed.
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ugh! There were no workers, aliens bulled the pyramids and all the amazing ancient structures around the world, there were no Jesus, and no Moses. Hell doesn't exist, all the characters in bible were extra-terrestrials and aliens created our physicality. the end
Alex Collier - Radio Interview - Coast to Coast AM - 1998 | Alex Collier (http://www.alexcollier.org/alex-collier-radio-interview-coast-to-coast-am-1998/)
Your better off saying Jesus and Moses (especially Jesus) were ordinary people than to say they NEVER existed.
They DONT EXIST! THE ROMANS CREATED THEM
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And the flood only occurred because the stupid aliens were having sex with earth women, so the gods (aliens) wiped them out. And yes some of the Hy-brids did survived. That's the truth, don't like it, bite me i don't care, but TS needs heat check before spewing bull-crap. i can't believe Michael chose this fool to be his "truth seeker" if Michael wants us to know the truth he needs to hire some body who knows how the rabbit hole goes deepER (with a capital ER) because what TS is saying, is the same damn thing that media, and earth religions has been saying for years and its boring me. i just can't wait till the truth really comes out on a global scale.
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And the flood only occurred because the stupid aliens were having sex with earth women, so the gods (aliens) wiped them out. And yes some of the Hy-brids did survived. That's the truth, don't like it, bite me i don't care, but TS needs heat check before spewing bull-crap. i can't believe Michael chose this fool to be his "truth seeker" if Michael wants us to know the truth he needs to hire some body who knows how the rabbit hole goes deepER (with a capital ER) because what TS is saying, is the same damn thing that media, and earth religions has been saying for years and its boring me. i just can't wait till the truth really comes out on a global scale.
You may want to change your approach if you want people to take you seriously. TS presents his argument logically and with supporting documentation and physical locations. If you don't agree, that's fine, but you're being counter-productive to your cause by barging into the discussion, spewing on about TS spewing bull-crap...perhaps you were being ironic on purpose...
I'm listening to that radio interview that you posted and I'm sorry but I don't see how you see this as more credible than what TS is saying. But I'm with you in that I want to see the truth come out, whatever it may be.
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I love Michael and his music, but he comes back or not. He is not going to persuade the politicians in America to create jobs, he's not the going to stop the the New World Order implementing a one world corrupt government, and a one world currency. And he's definitely not going to tell the world that for 26,000 years humanity has been manipulated by aggressive E.Ts. What the hell is his mission then? Oh, i know.... THE BENEFIT OF HIM AND HIS STUPID MONEY, which is an illusion and not valuable
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And the flood only occurred because the stupid aliens were having sex with earth women, so the gods (aliens) wiped them out. And yes some of the Hy-brids did survived. That's the truth, don't like it, bite me i don't care, but TS needs heat check before spewing bull-crap. i can't believe Michael chose this fool to be his "truth seeker" if Michael wants us to know the truth he needs to hire some body who knows how the rabbit hole goes deepER (with a capital ER) because what TS is saying, is the same damn thing that media, and earth religions has been saying for years and its boring me. i just can't wait till the truth really comes out on a global scale.
You may want to change your approach if you want people to take you seriously. TS presents his argument logically and with supporting documentation and physical locations. If you don't agree, that's fine, but you're being counter-productive to your cause by barging into the discussion, spewing on about TS spewing bull-crap...perhaps you were being ironic on purpose...
I'm listening to that radio interview that you posted and I'm sorry but I don't see how you see this as more credible than what TS is saying. But I'm with you in that I want to see the truth come out, whatever it may be.
What?!?!?!!?!?!!!!?? That is ten times more accurate than TS nonsense
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And the flood only occurred because the stupid aliens were having sex with earth women, so the gods (aliens) wiped them out. And yes some of the Hy-brids did survived. That's the truth, don't like it, bite me i don't care, but TS needs heat check before spewing bull-crap. i can't believe Michael chose this fool to be his "truth seeker" if Michael wants us to know the truth he needs to hire some body who knows how the rabbit hole goes deepER (with a capital ER) because what TS is saying, is the same damn thing that media, and earth religions has been saying for years and its boring me. i just can't wait till the truth really comes out on a global scale.
You may want to change your approach if you want people to take you seriously. TS presents his argument logically and with supporting documentation and physical locations. If you don't agree, that's fine, but you're being counter-productive to your cause by barging into the discussion, spewing on about TS spewing bull-crap...perhaps you were being ironic on purpose...
I'm listening to that radio interview that you posted and I'm sorry but I don't see how you see this as more credible than what TS is saying. But I'm with you in that I want to see the truth come out, whatever it may be.
What?!?!?!!?!?!!!!?? That is ten times more accurate than TS nonsense
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@imamjbeliever
People are free to believe whatever they want to. So if you believe in aliens being the origins of life on Earth, or whatever, then that's up to you. If you want to discuss it here can you at least do it in a more respectful manner? There are other members here who believe in this theory as well but are able to discuss it without the derogatory tone and the bashing.
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Adi, Yes I noticed that the date of release of Bad25 was close to Roshashanah also. I was just listening to some videos by David Flynn. He talks about astrology and the Zodiac and the procession of the equinox. Maybe that's something else we should pay attention to. Maybe the "stars" will be lined up to where they need to be on September 18. I'm talking about the signs of the Zodiac.
Love You
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And the flood only occurred because the stupid aliens were having sex with earth women, so the gods (aliens) wiped them out. And yes some of the Hy-brids did survived. That's the truth, don't like it, bite me i don't care, but TS needs heat check before spewing bull-crap. i can't believe Michael chose this fool to be his "truth seeker" if Michael wants us to know the truth he needs to hire some body who knows how the rabbit hole goes deepER (with a capital ER) because what TS is saying, is the same damn thing that media, and earth religions has been saying for years and its boring me. i just can't wait till the truth really comes out on a global scale.
You may want to change your approach if you want people to take you seriously. TS presents his argument logically and with supporting documentation and physical locations. If you don't agree, that's fine, but you're being counter-productive to your cause by barging into the discussion, spewing on about TS spewing bull-crap...perhaps you were being ironic on purpose...
I'm listening to that radio interview that you posted and I'm sorry but I don't see how you see this as more credible than what TS is saying. But I'm with you in that I want to see the truth come out, whatever it may be.
What?!?!?!!?!?!!!!?? That is ten times more accurate than TS nonsense
We have differing opinions then.
I also strongly disagree that Michael hoaxed his death for his own benefit and for money.
You are choosing to not present your argument in a calm and respectful fashion. Please do so going forward because if you are here just to bash TS, Michael's motives, and stir things up - consider this your warning to stop.
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Adi, Yes I noticed that the date of release of Bad25 was close to Roshashanah also. I was just listening to some videos by David Flynn. He talks about astrology and the Zodiac and the procession of the equinox. Maybe that's something else we should pay attention to. Maybe the "stars" will be lined up to where they need to be on September 18. I'm talking about the signs of the Zodiac.
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Yes - it's really interesting. I wonder if anything of significance will happen on those upcoming dates of the Festivals. I was thinking of going back in "hoax" time and checking the various Jewish Festival dates to see if they line up with anything that happened "hoax wise" the past 3 years or more.
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I have been thinking about Miss Castaway and how Agent MJ was warning the people stranded on the island about Noah's ark. About having to stop the ancient ark from sailing for 40 days and 40 nights, that it would create the perfect storm. The movie is full of hoaxisms and considering this sign, I think MJ chose to do this movie for a reason. I mean, out of all the movies that he probably could've been in, he chooses a hilariously hokey one with his role to warn people about the ark. Was it a veiled warning about a fake ark? Why was his character introduced by the Pope? I'll have to watch the dvd again this weekend because I can't find a youtube clip that has all of his scenes in it, just bits and pieces.
Here's a quote from Agent MJ in the movie:
“The Ark will sail for 40 days and 40 nights. You must stop it. You have to stop it Mike. If the Ark sails, it will trigger the most terrible, horrific storm, the Perfect Storm, if you will. History shall repeat itself unless you Mike, can prevent it. The only way to stop this catastrophic event is to destroy the Ark. Destroy the ark and you destroy the storm.”
“If you do not destroy the Ark, then mankind will pay dearly for the consequences. The Perfect Storm will last for a biblical 40 days and 40 nights drowning most of the planet. The species occupying the Ark will then have the advantage to take over the world. You must not let this happen.”
Actually, the part about "the species occupying the Ark will then have the advantage to take over the world" is interesting, since alien talk seems to come up again and again.
I also found MJ's parts interesting because he would be saying something serious about the ark but the stranded people were just saying things like "Can you teach me to moonwalk?" and telling him they loved his music... that sort of reminds me of Michael speaking out about the evils of the music industry and the fans were acting like, well, fans.
Here's a couple threads about the movie:
Miss castaway and the island girls (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=20956.0)
TMP - The Making of Miss Cast Away and the Island Girls (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=22500.0)
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Iamamjbeliever Jan 22, 2012
TS is deceiving all of you, i never trust him, and never will. The only person i trust is Michael and his words. Michael should know by now the bible was written by MEN with huge egos try to control the population and fear the people.
Feb. 2, 2012
yes the hoax land is boring and im more focusing on myself and what i want. Not what Michael want and im not investing my time on this hoax because im not going anywhere with it. if Michael comes back he comes back, if doesn't he doesn't that's how i put it! At the end of the day, i don't give a shit, life move on lol
Then I don't think this forum is a good fit for you.
Andrea, I've been thinking along the same lines as you too, so I'm glad you brought it up. Perhaps we should dig deeper into it.
TS specifically mentioned that it rained for not 40 days, but 150 days. 40 days is when it started to float. It almost seems to me from the movie, that the actions of MJ can in some way affect the future, and catastrophe. Is the Revelation scenario written in stone, or can God do something different than what is written?
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@iammjbeliever:
ugh! There were no workers, aliens bulled the pyramids and all the amazing ancient structures around the world, there is no Jesus, and no Moses. Hell doesn't exist, all the characters in bible were extra-terrestrials and aliens created our physicality. the end
I actually agree with you on several points, although Jesus n Moses may well have existed, and ET's may simply have shared technology with humans in some instances, while doing the actual building in others, and I think those details are probably irrelevant to the argument, I just really wish you hadn't taken such a combative tone.
What's wrong? Are you frustrated with the hoax? Bad day? What's up?
I do wonder if the Myan's calendar points to when their sky gods are expected to return to earth. Considering the light years they would have to travel, it's quite possible. Though there may be a base on the dark side of the moon we aren't being told about. In any case, I'm looking forward to 12/21/12 for several reasons.
But still, your anger bothers me. Please take a breath and try again because you might spark some interesting conversation here.
Although, I won't allow you to attack TS. Period. He hasn't done a single thing to you so take a step back.
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Though there may be a base on the dark side of the moon we aren't being told about.
Off topic, but isn't it strange that the moon doesn't turn and we never see the far side. Perhaps convenient for them. Hmm...
Transformers 3, and David Icke's moon theory.
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Yes, come to think of it, it is weird that the moon doesn't rotate. Everything rotates, well the planets all do anyway. Why not the moon? Odd.
But yes, that aspect also makes it very easy for something very large and obviously constructed vs. natural to be there all along unbeknownst to nearly everyone on earth. It is a crazy notion after all, who would believe it?
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And Scream was MJ and Janet flitting around between earth and the moon. :icon_e_confused:
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Yes, come to think of it, it is weird that the moon doesn't rotate. Everything rotates, well the planets all do anyway. Why not the moon? Odd.
But yes, that aspect also makes it very easy for something very large and obviously constructed vs. natural to be there all along unbeknownst to nearly everyone on earth. It is a crazy notion after all, who would believe it?
Little off topic this, but the moon DOES rotate. The earth rotates in 24 hours, the moon in a lunar month. That is why we only see one side.
I noticed that out moon doesn't rotate as it orbits our earth. Is our moon the only moon in our solar system that doesn't rotate?
Be a little careful . . . the Moon does rotate. If you stood on the Moon, the stars would rise and set, just like they do on Earth, except that a lunar day is a month long, the same as the Moon's orbital period. The Moon rotates at just the right speed so that it always keeps one face pointed toward the Earth, which seems like a pretty big coincidence, doesn't it?
Your question is very interesting because the answer is that, no, the Moon is not unique. Almost all moons in the Solar System keep one face pointed toward their planet. (The only exception we know of is Hyperion, a moon of Saturn.) This tells us it's probably not a coincidence, that there is probably a reason for this to happen, a physical process that happens to most moons to slow their rotation.
That process is called tidal friction. You probably know that the Moon's gravity affects the Earth's oceans. Well, the Earth's gravity also affects the Moon. It distorts the Moon's shape slightly, squashing it out so that it is elongated along a line that points toward the Earth. We say that the Earth raises "tidal bulges" on the Moon.
The Earth's gravity pulls on the closest tidal bulge, trying to keep it aligned with Earth. As the Moon turns, feeling the Earth's gravity, this creates friction within the Moon, slowing the Moon's rotation down until its rotation matches its orbital period exactly, a state we call tidal synchronization. In this state, the Moon's tidal bulge is always aligned with Earth, which means that the Moon always keeps one face toward Earth.
Other planets raise tides on their moons, too, so almost all the moons in the Solar System are tidally synchronized. There's even one planet that is sychronized to its moon! Charon, Pluto's moon, is so large and so close to Pluto that the planet and moon are both locked into the same rotational rate. The Moon slows the Earth's rotation, too, but at a very slow rate, increasing the length of the day by a couple of milliseconds each century.
You might be wondering what's up with Hyperion. Gravitational interaction with other moons of Saturn cause Hyperion to tumble chaotically, so Saturn doesn't even get a chance at tidal synchronization before Hyperion's rotational state is changed by another moon. There may be other small moons that behave in this manner, as well, but it is difficult to measure the rotational periods of small moons around distant planets, so we don't know of any yet.
Curious About Astronomy: Does the Moon rotate? Are there other moons that always keep one face toward their planet? (http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=142)
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Off topic: The other side of the moon: Luna 3 Mission Page (http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/mission_page/EM_Luna_3_page1.html)
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And the flood only occurred because the stupid aliens were having sex with earth women, so the gods (aliens) wiped them out. And yes some of the Hy-brids did survived. That's the truth, don't like it, bite me i don't care, but TS needs heat check before spewing bull-crap. i can't believe Michael chose this fool to be his "truth seeker" if Michael wants us to know the truth he needs to hire some body who knows how the rabbit hole goes deepER (with a capital ER) because what TS is saying, is the same damn thing that media, and earth religions has been saying for years and its boring me. i just can't wait till the truth really comes out on a global scale.
they were actually apostate angels NOT ALIENS and the HYBRIDS nephlim did not survive. i encourage you to 'do your research' to coin an expression
aliens, thats one thing (not that i believe in them persay) but even so, if they were / are real are not 'Gods Aliens'
don't like it, bite me i don't care
believe Michael chose this fool
really? come on, please show some :smiley_abuv:
personally i sometimes struggle with some of the TS stuff (still wrapping by brain around it) and there are other members who flat out don't believe, yet these members are able to maintain dignity and disagree politely or avoid such threads altogether
please change your attitude. it sux!
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And the flood only occurred because the stupid aliens were having sex with earth women, so the gods (aliens) wiped them out. And yes some of the Hy-brids did survived. That's the truth, don't like it, bite me i don't care, but TS needs heat check before spewing bull-crap. i can't believe Michael chose this fool to be his "truth seeker" if Michael wants us to know the truth he needs to hire some body who knows how the rabbit hole goes deepER (with a capital ER) because what TS is saying, is the same damn thing that media, and earth religions has been saying for years and its boring me. i just can't wait till the truth really comes out on a global scale.
they were actually apostate angels NOT ALIENS and the HYBRIDS nephlim did not survive. i encourage you to 'do your research' to coin an expression
aliens, thats one thing (not that i believe in them persay) but even so, if they were / are real are not 'Gods Aliens'
don't like it, bite me i don't care
believe Michael chose this fool
really? come on, please show some :smiley_abuv:
personally i sometimes struggle with some of the TS stuff (still wrapping by brain around it) and there are other members who flat out don't believe, yet these members are able to maintain dignity and disagree politely or avoid such threads altogether
please change your attitude. it sux!
some of them did survived, and some of them were fully blood aliens and some were hy-brids. i think you need to do more research. And yes the gods were aliens, they played god because the ancient people thought they were gods.
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@iammjbeliever:
ugh! There were no workers, aliens bulled the pyramids and all the amazing ancient structures around the world, there is no Jesus, and no Moses. Hell doesn't exist, all the characters in bible were extra-terrestrials and aliens created our physicality. the end
I actually agree with you on several points, although Jesus n Moses may well have existed, and ET's may simply have shared technology with humans in some instances, while doing the actual building in others, and I think those details are probably irrelevant to the argument, I just really wish you hadn't taken such a combative tone.
What's wrong? Are you frustrated with the hoax? Bad day? What's up?
I do wonder if the Myan's calendar points to when their sky gods are expected to return to earth. Considering the light years they would have to travel, it's quite possible. Though there may be a base on the dark side of the moon we aren't being told about. In any case, I'm looking forward to 12/21/12 for several reasons.
But still, your anger bothers me. Please take a breath and try again because you might spark some interesting conversation here.
Although, I won't allow you to attack TS. Period. He hasn't done a single thing to you so take a step back.
If you believe Jesus did exist that's fine, but don't expect him to save you! I am angry because I'm frustrated and i am a human being. As for TS, no he hasn't done anything to me, but TS needs tell the real truth and he isn't doing it.
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ugh! There were no workers, aliens bulled the pyramids and all the amazing ancient structures around the world, there were no Jesus, and no Moses. Hell doesn't exist, all the characters in bible were extra-terrestrials and aliens created our physicality. the end
Alex Collier - Radio Interview - Coast to Coast AM - 1998 | Alex Collier (http://www.alexcollier.org/alex-collier-radio-interview-coast-to-coast-am-1998/)
Your better off saying Jesus and Moses (especially Jesus) were ordinary people than to say they NEVER existed.
They DONT EXIST! THE ROMANS CREATED THEM
There's a difference of opinion and stright up ignorance, how could the Romans create Moses whose teachings predate the empire. There's more evidence to support the existance of Jesus as a human being than there is to support the existance of Plato and Alexander the great. You can be an Atheist and be knowledgable enough to know Jesus "existed".
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@iammjbeliever:
ugh! There were no workers, aliens bulled the pyramids and all the amazing ancient structures around the world, there is no Jesus, and no Moses. Hell doesn't exist, all the characters in bible were extra-terrestrials and aliens created our physicality. the end
I actually agree with you on several points, although Jesus n Moses may well have existed, and ET's may simply have shared technology with humans in some instances, while doing the actual building in others, and I think those details are probably irrelevant to the argument, I just really wish you hadn't taken such a combative tone.
What's wrong? Are you frustrated with the hoax? Bad day? What's up?
I do wonder if the Myan's calendar points to when their sky gods are expected to return to earth. Considering the light years they would have to travel, it's quite possible. Though there may be a base on the dark side of the moon we aren't being told about. In any case, I'm looking forward to 12/21/12 for several reasons.
But still, your anger bothers me. Please take a breath and try again because you might spark some interesting conversation here.
Although, I won't allow you to attack TS. Period. He hasn't done a single thing to you so take a step back.
If you believe Jesus did exist that's fine, but don't expect him to save you! I am angry because I'm frustrated and i am a human being. As for TS, no he hasn't done anything to me, but TS needs tell the real truth and he isn't doing it.
I bet if I evangelized Christianity to you you'd be offended. Yet you feel the need to say that? :icon_rolleyes:
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And the flood only occurred because the stupid aliens were having sex with earth women, so the gods (aliens) wiped them out. And yes some of the Hy-brids did survived. That's the truth, don't like it, bite me i don't care, but TS needs heat check before spewing bull-crap. i can't believe Michael chose this fool to be his "truth seeker" if Michael wants us to know the truth he needs to hire some body who knows how the rabbit hole goes deepER (with a capital ER) because what TS is saying, is the same damn thing that media, and earth religions has been saying for years and its boring me. i just can't wait till the truth really comes out on a global scale.
they were actually apostate angels NOT ALIENS and the HYBRIDS nephlim did not survive. i encourage you to 'do your research' to coin an expression
aliens, thats one thing (not that i believe in them persay) but even so, if they were / are real are not 'Gods Aliens'
don't like it, bite me i don't care
believe Michael chose this fool
really? come on, please show some :smiley_abuv:
personally i sometimes struggle with some of the TS stuff (still wrapping by brain around it) and there are other members who flat out don't believe, yet these members are able to maintain dignity and disagree politely or avoid such threads altogether
please change your attitude. it sux!
some of them did survived, and some of them were fully blood aliens and some were hy-brids. i think you need to do more research. And yes the gods were aliens, they played god because the ancient people thought they were gods.
How can you say Moses and Jesus never existed yet you believe alien hybrids played God? That only supports Biblical teachings.
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@iammjbeliever:
ugh! There were no workers, aliens bulled the pyramids and all the amazing ancient structures around the world, there is no Jesus, and no Moses. Hell doesn't exist, all the characters in bible were extra-terrestrials and aliens created our physicality. the end
I actually agree with you on several points, although Jesus n Moses may well have existed, and ET's may simply have shared technology with humans in some instances, while doing the actual building in others, and I think those details are probably irrelevant to the argument, I just really wish you hadn't taken such a combative tone.
What's wrong? Are you frustrated with the hoax? Bad day? What's up?
I do wonder if the Myan's calendar points to when their sky gods are expected to return to earth. Considering the light years they would have to travel, it's quite possible. Though there may be a base on the dark side of the moon we aren't being told about. In any case, I'm looking forward to 12/21/12 for several reasons.
But still, your anger bothers me. Please take a breath and try again because you might spark some interesting conversation here.
Although, I won't allow you to attack TS. Period. He hasn't done a single thing to you so take a step back.
If you believe Jesus did exist that's fine, but don't expect him to save you! I am angry because I'm frustrated and i am a human being. As for TS, no he hasn't done anything to me, but TS needs tell the real truth and he isn't doing it.
believe Michael chose this fool
And you're the owner of truth and why you come here to tell you stupid and insulting to another person
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ugh! There were no workers, aliens bulled the pyramids and all the amazing ancient structures around the world, there is no Jesus, and no Moses. Hell doesn't exist, all the characters in bible were extra-terrestrials and aliens created our physicality. the end
Alex Collier - Radio Interview - Coast to Coast AM - 1998 | Alex Collier (http://www.alexcollier.org/alex-collier-radio-interview-coast-to-coast-am-1998/)
Off-topic:
Why individuals David Icke, Alex Jones, Alan Watt, continue by there and have a lot of success and popularity while researchers like Fritz Springmeier, William Cooper, Rik Clay, Karla Turner etc. end up in jail or killed?
You can quietly wait for that 98% of the informants that are supposedly against the New World Order, are agents working for this. What is called controlled opposition ( "If you want to control the opposition, the best way is to have a leader.")
Excerpt TAKEN FROM "bloodlines OF THE ILLUMINATI" BY FRITZ SPRINGMEIER : "There are several types of desinformadores agents: agents of influence (or creators of public opinion), Agents of confusion, of contract, the "sleepers" (Sleeper), Desinformador, notion, provocateurs, Spoon-Fedders (which give you new information with a dropper.)
They are called SPOON-FEEDER AGENTS that provide little new information, tons of secrets and already known something of disinformation to add fun to the matter. Usually the Spoon-Feeders increase their percentage of disinformation once earn respectability."
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@Souza, thanks for posting that interesting info about the moon.
@iammjbeliever, you say TS needs to "tell the truth", I'm confused, what do you think that truth looks like? Do you have any specifics of what TS wrote that isn't the truth? You're being too general in your words for anyone to grasp what you're trying to communicate.
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A lot of interesting posts in here right now... Good job everyone! I really appreciate you all and I love logging in to read what you all have to say.
A big :bearhug: to you all.
And of course, a big thank you to TS for being awesome as usual. Love your bible studies! :beerchug:
Also, I really liked your precision regarding this topic:
"So if four billion people are ready at the end of the world, then four billion will be saved; and if four people are ready at the end of the world, then four will be saved. Most likely, it will be more than four and less than four billion."
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And the flood only occurred because the stupid aliens were having sex with earth women, so the gods (aliens) wiped them out. And yes some of the Hy-brids did survived. That's the truth, don't like it, bite me i don't care, but TS needs heat check before spewing bull-crap. i can't believe Michael chose this fool to be his "truth seeker" if Michael wants us to know the truth he needs to hire some body who knows how the rabbit hole goes deepER (with a capital ER) because what TS is saying, is the same damn thing that media, and earth religions has been saying for years and its boring me. i just can't wait till the truth really comes out on a global scale.
Boy, is this guy up for a surprise or what?? :icon_lol:
Well... Sometimes I just go like this: :icon_rolleyes: The ignorance....
Is this guy even serious? I think not...
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Well let's give iammjbeliever a chance to explain him/herself and define his/her stance before assuming.
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"So if four billion people are ready at the end of the world, then four billion will be saved; and if four people are ready at the end of the world, then four will be saved. Most likely, it will be more than four and less than four billion."
I guess I'm confused right now.
Saved spiritually, meaning the souls are saved and ready to do to haven, or saved physically, meaning they won't be harmed?? Both meanings are possible!
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Well let's give iammjbeliever a chance to explain him/herself and define his/her stance before assuming.
ROFLOL, as if she didn't have that chance in a hundred posts already. She's offensive and her attitude is FAR from respectful. This is not the first time this happens so she gets 1 last chance to change her attitude in general, or she can find a new forum to post on.
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If you believe Jesus did exist that's fine, but don't expect him to save you! I am angry because I'm frustrated and i am a human being. As for TS, no he hasn't done anything to me, but TS needs tell the real truth and he isn't doing it.
Now, okay.. I also believe to know what is true, or "the truth" if you so want. But is your truth the same as my truth? And can there be many truths? Isn't the truth an "absolute"? And if so, now which one is it? Yours or mine?
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If you believe Jesus did exist that's fine, but don't expect him to save you! I am angry because I'm frustrated and i am a human being. As for TS, no he hasn't done anything to me, but TS needs tell the real truth and he isn't doing it.
Now, okay.. I also believe to know what is true, or "the truth" if you so want. But is your truth the same is my truth? And can there be many truths? Isn't the truth an "absolute"? And if so, now which one is it? Yours or mine?
Agree with your approach Jono.
Your truth, my truth, THE truth....not so easy now, is it?
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The truth is what YOU define it to be. If I've learned anything, that is probably it.
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I guess I'm confused right now.
Saved spiritually, meaning the souls are saved and ready to do to haven, or saved physically, meaning they won't be harmed?? Both meanings are possible!
In a spiritually sense, or more specifically the traditional Christian view of salvation:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. - John 3:16"
"That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. - Rom 10:9"
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thing is there is only one truth, not everyone can be right.
i'm agnostic and all i can say that i've learned is that i know nothing ...
it's not hard to be respectful of others beliefs.
sorry for the lack of capital letters, i spilled beer on my computer and now that key doesn't work :Crash:
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That’s also why there is a Judgment Day. To settle all matters. Everything will be made crystal clear. Our vision will be sharpened and everybody will recognize and accept the ultimate Truth. For the time being we can all live in peace and respect each other's different beliefs.
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sorry for the lack of capital letters, i spilled beer on my computer and now that key doesn't work :Crash:
Cheers then! :beerchug:
Nah.. I'm sorry the hear about your keyboard.. :icon_e_sad:
But still... It was kind of funny! :icon_lol:
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sorry for the lack of capital letters, i spilled beer on my computer and now that key doesn't work :Crash:
Cheers then! :beerchug:
Nah.. I'm sorry the hear about your keyboard.. :icon_e_sad:
But still... It was kind of funny! :icon_lol:
:icon_lol: :icon_lol:
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Iamamjbeliever
but TS needs tell the real truth and he isn't doing it.
There's only one way to know if someone is telling the truth--if it happens the way he says (hindsight).
Deuteronomy 18: (Common English Bible)
Communicating with God
9 Once you enter the land that the Lord your God is giving you, don’t try to imitate the detestable things those nations do. 10 There must not be anyone among you who passes his son or daughter through fire; who practices divination, is a sign reader, fortune-teller, sorcerer, 11 or spell caster; who converses with ghosts or spirits or communicates with the dead. 12 All who do these things are detestable to the Lord! It is on account of these detestable practices that the Lord your God is driving these nations[c] out before you.
13 Instead, you must be perfect before the Lord your God. 14 These nations you are displacing listened to sign readers and diviners, but the Lord your God doesn’t permit you to do the same! 15 The Lord your God will raise up a prophet like me from your community, from your fellow Israelites. He’s the one you must listen to. 16 That’s exactly what you requested from the Lord your God at Horeb, on the day of the assembly, when you said, “I can’t listen to the Lord my God’s voice anymore or look at this great fire any longer. I don’t want to die!”
17 The Lord said to me: What they’ve said is right. 18 I’ll raise up a prophet for them from among their fellow Israelites—one just like you. I’ll put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 I myself will hold accountable anyone who doesn’t listen to my words, which that prophet will speak in my name. 20 However, any prophet who arrogantly speaks a word in my name that I haven’t commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods—that prophet must die.
21 Now, you might be wondering, How will we know which word God hasn’t spoken? 22 Here’s the answer: The prophet who speaks in the Lord’s name and the thing doesn’t happen or come about—that’s the word the Lord hasn’t spoken. That prophet spoke arrogantly. Don’t be afraid of him.[d]
thing is there is only one truth, not everyone can be right.
i'm agnostic and all i can say that i've learned is that i know nothing ...
it's not hard to be respectful of others beliefs.
sorry for the lack of capital letters, i spilled beer on my computer and now that key doesn't work :Crash:
Yes, much better to be humble and admit you can't possibly know truth 100%. But each of us is free to share what we think truth entails!
Oh what a mess our keyboards can be eh? :icon_lol:
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ugh! There were no workers, aliens bulled the pyramids and all the amazing ancient structures around the world, there is no Jesus, and no Moses. Hell doesn't exist, all the characters in bible were extra-terrestrials and aliens created our physicality. the end
Alex Collier - Radio Interview - Coast to Coast AM - 1998 | Alex Collier (http://www.alexcollier.org/alex-collier-radio-interview-coast-to-coast-am-1998/)
I get to read some statements of Alex Collier "aliens" indicate this man the plan of darkness at this time is to "Stage" the book of revelations or also called Apocalypse. If they succeed, the next step is to implement the alleged "Salvation" of humanity or what's left of it on the planet, making appear to their dark lineages as "saviors gods". It is why there is to be very careful with hauntings from naves mass, there is no external saviours, unique saviors are ourselves, anyone or anything we will come to save if we do our internal work and change of consciousness.
As well as a change of consciousness operates in us and we began to change our lives, our environment changes as we change.
While there is some already done for humanity as a whole at the change of consciousness, it is still much to do.Plan of darkness is to generate chaos, immorality, through the spread of drugs, alcohol, consumption through the indiscriminate practice of sex without true love, only for pleasure of the senses, and the destruction of the ideal of family that should constitute an atom of light on the planet, because it is the instantiation of the Trinity in the Earth.
Dogmas and religions have been created on purpose to carry out this plan and so try to stay with the planet who are the false gods and the elite or false royalty, the "secret government"
If you only believe in the good, love, if I choose such a scenario. It can "Catch" or "Reflect" to my around and available to all, so ensues the great change that we are waiting to happen, otherwise we plunge in a horror scenario and that is what sucks the plan of darkness to dominate the planet and humanity that may remain standing.
The choice is ours. We lose nothing by reading that book that we know as Bible
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im not going to argue with anyone, no point, everyone has the right to choose what they want to believe. The world is doomed anyway and of course people don't do anything about it. Most people rather sit in front of their computers desk and eat cheese burgers.
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Adi, Yes I noticed that the date of release of Bad25 was close to Roshashanah also. I was just listening to some videos by David Flynn. He talks about astrology and the Zodiac and the procession of the equinox. Maybe that's something else we should pay attention to. Maybe the "stars" will be lined up to where they need to be on September 18. I'm talking about the signs of the Zodiac.
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Yes - it's really interesting. I wonder if anything of significance will happen on those upcoming dates of the Festivals. I was thinking of going back in "hoax" time and checking the various Jewish Festival dates to see if they line up with anything that happened "hoax wise" the past 3 years or more.
Yes, Adi that thought crossed my mind also but I haven't had the time to do it yet. The signs of the Zodiac and the constellations have meaning also. More than I thought. There are also references using the constellations in the bible. The brightest star was out when Jesus was born, that's the star Sirius. Well, I guess I found another rabbit hole to get into. These symbols of astrology are referred to alot by the TPTB. You hear about the serpent,Phoenix,lion etc. The sphinx in Egypt was built to line up with the stars. It's positioned perfectly. The pyramids in Egypt are also lined up perfectly with a constellation. It may be Orion. I don't know this astrology but now I want to get this information. I think we're missing this piece of the puzzle. The stars are also a part of the world clock.
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Look what Jermaine just tweeted, reminded me of a post on the previous page.
( TIAI July 17 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=23003.msg416328#msg416328) )
Jermaine Jackson
@jermjackson5 (https://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/226457442224062465)
thank the vast majority of you for your messages of love and support. The bullcrap of speculators and deflectors is just background noise
6:23 PM - 20 Jul 12 via web
Coincidence or thread being read?
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Look what Jermaine just tweeted, reminded me of a post on the previous page.
( TIAI July 17 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=23003.msg416328#msg416328) )
Jermaine Jackson
@jermjackson5 (https://twitter.com/jermjackson5/status/226457442224062465)
thank the vast majority of you for your messages of love and support. The bullcrap of speculators and deflectors is just background noise
6:23 PM - 20 Jul 12 via web
Coincidence or thread being read?
Awesome!
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Dontwalkaway:
The pyramids in Egypt are also lined up perfectly with a constellation. It may be Orion.
Yes, you're right, it is Orion's belt. And yes, it is perfectly aligned.
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Andrea, also with Jermaine's tweet:
thank the vast majority of you for your messages of love and support. The bullcrap of speculators and deflectors is just background noise
Bonnie in her blog Michael Jackson Justice (http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.ca/)
also used the 'bc' word about the letter to the estate situation, but I don't know if he would have read it. Maybe it's a common word. :icon_e_confused:
Now let’s look at some of the questionable deals that Randy and family complained about in their letter. Anyone believing that Michael Jackson would have anything to do with Pepsi ever again, or SONY, or John Branca/McClain is not a Michael Jackson fan. You don’t know him, or you don’t care about him….
Someone who posts here sent this to me, her name is “P”. It is an open letter from the “Michael Jackson Fans In Support MJ Estate”. I am posting this in its entirety because I want you to SEE the OBVIOUS AGENDA behind this bullcrap….
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"So if four billion people are ready at the end of the world, then four billion will be saved; and if four people are ready at the end of the world, then four will be saved. Most likely, it will be more than four and less than four billion."
I guess I'm confused right now.
Saved spiritually, meaning the souls are saved and ready to do to haven, or saved physically, meaning they won't be harmed?? Both meanings are possible!
not destroyed along with the worlds satanic empire at armageddon. (thats what i am taking from it anyway. this isnt abt heaven, at least i dont think this is what TS is implying. if he isnt talking about heaven, then it also is in line with biblical teaching.)
how many will be 'saved' will be dependant on how many 'want' to be saved is what he is getting at.
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im not going to argue with anyone, no point, everyone has the right to choose what they want to believe. The world is doomed anyway and of course people don't do anything about it. Most people rather sit in front of their computers desk and eat cheese burgers.
correct-a-mondo!! they dont and CANT do anything about it. humans cant change this doomed state the human race is in. DIVINE intervention is required!
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not destroyed along with the worlds satanic empire at armageddon. (thats what i am taking from it anyway. this isnt abt heaven, at least i dont think this is what TS is implying. if he isnt talking about heaven, then it also is in line with biblical teaching.)
how many will be 'saved' will be dependant on how many 'want' to be saved is what he is getting at.
Yes, but if you look at it in the right context:
Last but not least: Jesus compared the end of the world with the days of Noah, and the days of Lot—in both cases, the vast majority rejected the solemn warnings, and were destroyed. Jesus never taught that the whole world would be converted and saved, at the end of time. That is a pleasing fable, designed to keep people sound asleep until it is too late: “… the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them … and they shall not escape.” (1 Thessalonians 5:2,3).
It's pretty clear it implies spiritual salvation. :icon_e_wink:
Also, I think there is some confusion here... There are some different interpretations on when the actual events of Armageddon will take place: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon)).
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not destroyed along with the worlds satanic empire at armageddon. (thats what i am taking from it anyway. this isnt abt heaven, at least i dont think this is what TS is implying. if he isnt talking about heaven, then it also is in line with biblical teaching.)
how many will be 'saved' will be dependant on how many 'want' to be saved is what he is getting at.
Yes, but if you look at it in the right context:
Last but not least: Jesus compared the end of the world with the days of Noah, and the days of Lot—in both cases, the vast majority rejected the solemn warnings, and were destroyed. Jesus never taught that the whole world would be converted and saved, at the end of time. That is a pleasing fable, designed to keep people sound asleep until it is too late: “… the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them … and they shall not escape.” (1 Thessalonians 5:2,3).
It's pretty clear it implies spiritual salvation. :icon_e_wink:
Also, I think there is some confusion here... There are some different interpretations on when the actual events of Armageddon will take place: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon)).
agree with you. and i believe that spiritual will equate to physical salvation.
re: armageddon. yes several interpretations. i prefer to use the bible to prove and disprove them. i appreciate you and i have difference here. also, when feeling, better will answer your PM.
:smiley_abuv: you Jono!
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agree with you. and i believe that spiritual will equate to physical salvation.
re: armageddon. yes several interpretations. i prefer to use the bible to prove and disprove them. i appreciate you and i have difference here. also, when feeling, better will answer your PM.
:smiley_abuv: you Jono!
I would never proclaim to know the exact meaning of Revelations and the eschatology of the bible.. This is some really heavy stuff which scholars have been trying to figure out for over 2000 years..
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But yes, I also think there are some more reasonable interpretations than others... :icon_e_wink:
What, you are sick?? Sorry to hear that... Hope you'll get well soon! :icon_e_smile:
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Aussie, I hope you're feeling better soon!
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The world is doomed anyway
That’s what Katherine said when Pierce Morgan was interviewing MJ’s brothers and her.
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The world is doomed anyway
I guess this is right. Sometimes I feel that all our trying to save humanity might be in vain because the Antichrist is coming anyway. It's mentioned in the holy books. This is the earth's fate. We cannot change it. So hoping to be saved from the evil of the Antichrist until the real Christ comes back is the only thing we can do.