Post by: ~Souza~ on July 26, 2012, 12:59:46 AM
Guardianship Ruling
"BASED ON LIES" (http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/25/katherine-jackson-nightline-interview-guardianship-michael-jackson-children/)
7/25/2012 9:35 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF
BREAKING NEWS
Katherine Jackson is challenging the court ruling that temporarily stripped her of guardianship of Michael Jackson's children -- and claiming she never wanted TJ Jackson to step into the role ... despite court documents stating otherwise.
In a taped segment for ABC's "Nightline" ... Katherine read prepared comments from a notebook, and said -- "Their ruling in court today was about the guardianship, and I think it was based on a bunch of lies. But I have a good idea who's doing that ... who's behind it."
Katherine went on to say she spoke to TJ last night and "told him it wasn't necessary for him to go down and sign up for guardianship, but I don't know who instructed him to do that ... 'cause he wanted me to come home before that happened."
It's a strange statement because Katherine seems to be acknowledging she knew TJ was going to file for guardianship ... but not before she got home.
In fact, as we reported earlier, TJ stated in court docs that Katherine "supported" him taking steps to protect Michael's kids.
The whole TV segment seemed almost like a hostage situation as Katherine was surrounded by Janet, Jermaine, Rebbie, Rebbie's daughter and, for some reason, the marketing director for the Tucson spa where Katherine's been for more than a week. A local news reporter was in the room, but was not allowed to ask questions.
As for leaving Prince, Paris, and Blanket alone in L.A. -- Katherine claimed she left instructions about who was to take care of them while she was gone ... though she didn't name anyone specifically.
The 82-year old also said during her absence her assistant had been keeping in touch with her grandchildren -- and that she didn't personally call "because I just gave up my phone. I didn't want to have any phone calls."
Post by: Adi on July 26, 2012, 01:12:37 AM
Quote
...Katherine was surrounded by Janet, Jermaine, Rebbie, Rebbie's daughter and, for some reason, the marketing director for the Tucson spa where Katherine's been for more than a week.
Product placement :icon_lol:
Post by: ~Souza~ on July 26, 2012, 01:14:13 AM
Quote...Katherine was surrounded by Janet, Jermaine, Rebbie, Rebbie's daughter and, for some reason, the marketing director for the Tucson spa where Katherine's been for more than a week.
Product placement :icon_lol:
:thjajaja121: :thjajaja121:
Post by: chappie on July 26, 2012, 01:26:14 AM
Kids Home Alone?
Eat This.... :thjajaja121:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2AitTPI5U0[/youtube]
Post by: MJonmind on July 26, 2012, 01:35:48 AM
She doesn't name who she left in charge. And always more controversy--did or did not TJ know he wasn't to sign the guardianship paper? :icon_e_confused: :icon_lol:
"I think I know who did that." Michael? :thjajaja121:
Post by: SimPattyK on July 26, 2012, 02:05:23 AM
Quote from: TMZ
[...]Katherine read prepared comments from a notebook,[...]From a SCRIPT maybe? :icon_lol:
Quote from: TMZ
[...] and claiming she never wanted TJ Jackson to step into the role [...]Ah ok, so he stepped into a role! :suspect: because it's ONLY a MOVIE!? :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Quote from: Katherine Jackson
[...]"Their ruling in court today was about the guardianship, and I think it was based on a bunch of lies. But I have a good idea who's doing that ... who's behind it."[...]Or as Front put it succintly: "Blame it on the BALONEY!" :icon_e_wink: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Manger/emoticone-bubble-gum-3829.gif)
What's so funny !?? :icon_geek::thjajaja121: :thjajaja121:Quote...Katherine was surrounded by Janet, Jermaine, Rebbie, Rebbie's daughter and, for some reason, the marketing director for the Tucson spa where Katherine's been for more than a week.Product placement :icon_lol:
Hoax-sponsors also need to make a livin', don't they? :icon_geek: :thjajaja121:
Post by: 2good2btrue on July 26, 2012, 02:36:36 AM
They're calling it a "custody battle" And they are reporting on "The Jackson family Circus" .
I've heard that Debbie Rowe is getting ready to pounce on those kids.....
Post by: MJonmind on July 26, 2012, 03:17:28 AM
Simpa, yes, just think of all the new customers this resort is going to get now! How much would you have to pay to get your business advertised on national TV? ;D
MJ is not only pioneering film and taking it to the next level, he's pioneering advertising! :michael-jackson:
Post by: SimPattyK on July 26, 2012, 04:41:14 AM
Post by: Billie J on July 26, 2012, 06:04:04 AM
Ms Katherine is a 82 years old woman. :smiley_abuv: And I think she really did have a mini-stroke, that's why she had to read from a paper.
Poor Poor Katherine Jackson my heart goes out to you, it's never easy to get old :'(
Post by: ~Souza~ on July 26, 2012, 06:14:43 AM
Your Post makes my heart break in to pieces :'( NOT EVERYTHING is a Hoax!!!!
Ms Katherine is a 82 years old woman. :smiley_abuv: And I think she really did have a mini-stroke, that's why she had to read from a paper.
Poor Poor Katherine Jackson my heart goes out to you, it's never easy to get old :'(
Katherine looked and sounded FINE. Can we stop this BS about her health? She is an 82 year old woman who has to remember her script, of course she needs a paper. She is nothing different from other people her age. In fact, she seems to be much more energetic than my grandfather, who is 3 years younger and also did not have a mini stroke. Katherine simply knows her memory is not what it was 30-40 years ago and wanted to make sure she wouldn't miss anything, so she used the notes. Stop the stroke BS.
Post by: Billie J on July 26, 2012, 06:33:17 AM
Your Post makes my heart break in to pieces :'( NOT EVERYTHING is a Hoax!!!!
Ms Katherine is a 82 years old woman. :smiley_abuv: And I think she really did have a mini-stroke, that's why she had to read from a paper.
Poor Poor Katherine Jackson my heart goes out to you, it's never easy to get old :'(
Katherine looked and sounded FINE. Can we stop this BS about her health? She is an 82 year old woman who has to remember her script, of course she needs a paper. She is nothing different from other people her age. In fact, she seems to be much more energetic than my grandfather, who is 3 years younger and also did not have a mini stroke. Katherine simply knows her memory is not what it was 30-40 years ago and wanted to make sure she wouldn't miss anything, so she used the notes. Stop the stroke BS.
Souza you misunderstood My post. I'm on Katherine side. What I meant was,just because she read from a paper.
Doesn't mean it's a script she read. it's because of her lost of memory. And I think it's very ok, katherine is after all 82. And like I said not verything is a Hoax.
Post by: MaryK on July 26, 2012, 07:04:10 AM
Your Post makes my heart break in to pieces :'( NOT EVERYTHING is a Hoax!!!!
Ms Katherine is a 82 years old woman. :smiley_abuv: And I think she really did have a mini-stroke, that's why she had to read from a paper.
Poor Poor Katherine Jackson my heart goes out to you, it's never easy to get old :'(
Katherine looked and sounded FINE. Can we stop this BS about her health? She is an 82 year old woman who has to remember her script, of course she needs a paper. She is nothing different from other people her age. In fact, she seems to be much more energetic than my grandfather, who is 3 years younger and also did not have a mini stroke. Katherine simply knows her memory is not what it was 30-40 years ago and wanted to make sure she wouldn't miss anything, so she used the notes. Stop the stroke BS.
Souza you misunderstood My post. I'm on Katherine side. What I meant was,just because she read from a paper.
Doesn't mean it's a script she read. it's because of her lost of memory. And I think it's very ok, katherine is after all 82. And like I said not verything is a Hoax.
I can only repeat what I already said in another thread:
Seriously....I don´t get it....if you all believed in the family supporting the hoax and giving clues over the past three years, why are you NOW jumpfing ship? Does that make sense to you at all if you look back on what you have seen, heard and learned in the past three years?
Post by: Starchild on July 26, 2012, 07:46:25 AM
So in the past couple of weeks, MJ’s siblings presented a letter challenging the positions of the executors. At the same time, Katherine basically went into hiding, away from “phones and computers” or, in other words, away from means in which the executors and their affiliates could attempt to harass, manipulate, control, and threaten her with taking away the personal allowance provided to her in the will unless she gets her kids in line. (And correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s my understanding that there’s legal stipulation in place whereby if Katherine challenges the will, she automatically forfeits her personal allowance.)
Enter TJ. Not one who receives a personal allowance from the will and not a sibling who could be potentially maligned (however baseless) as seeking money from the will. In short, the executors have no leverage with TJ. (Actually, outside of Katherine, the executors have minimal leverage with anyone who assumes guardianship of the kids).
Back to Katherine. Now that TJ has been appointed as the kid’s guardian, Katherine is now free to return home to LA, i.e., out of hiding. Katherine is also free to once again communicate with her grandchildren. Regarding the lack of communication with her grandchildren in the days after the letter was publicized, if the executors have control such that they are basically able to order security to prevent MJ’s children from going somewhere (even out of state) with their aunt and uncles and/or bar these key relatives from the kids' home, then it is reasonable for Katherine to have chosen not to speak to the kids for a time in order to avoid having them be pawns in the hands of the executors.
It’s all pretty brilliant plotting, really. :icon_e_wink: Now if the media would simply focus on investigating the content of the will instead of spinning stories about the Jacksons seeking money . . .
Post by: Loveunited on July 26, 2012, 08:08:31 AM
Here are some thoughts. In one of the YT hoax videos, an “insider” Q & A video created by, maybe, MJHoaxEvidence (http://www.youtube.com/user/MJHoaxEvidence/featured) (anyone remember?), it was stated that one of the signs to look for regarding the hoax nearing its end (or BAM time) is that the executors will step down.
So in the past couple of weeks, MJ’s siblings presented a letter challenging the positions of the executors. At the same time, Katherine basically went into hiding, away from “phones and computers” or, in other words, away from means in which the executors and their affiliates could attempt to harass, manipulate, control, and threaten her with taking away the personal allowance provided to her in the will unless she gets her kids in line. (And correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s my understanding that there’s legal stipulation in place whereby if Katherine challenges the will, she automatically forfeits her personal allowance.)
Enter TJ. Not one who receives a personal allowance from the will and not a sibling who could be potentially maligned (however baseless) as seeking money from the will. In short, the executors have no leverage with TJ. (Actually, outside of Katherine, the executors have minimal leverage with anyone who assumes guardianship of the kids).
Back to Katherine. Now that TJ has been appointed as the kid’s guardian, Katherine is now free to return home to LA, i.e., out of hiding. Katherine is also free to once again communicate with her grandchildren. Regarding the lack of communication with her grandchildren in the days after the letter was publicized, if the executors have control such that they are basically able to order security to prevent MJ’s children from going somewhere (even out of state) with their aunt and uncles and/or bar these key relatives from the kids' home, then it is reasonable for Katherine to have chosen not to speak to the kids for a time in order to avoid having them be pawns in the hands of the executors.
It’s all pretty brilliant plotting, really. :icon_e_wink: Now if the media would simply focus on investigating the content of the will instead of spinning stories about the Jacksons seeking money . . .
YEP, Vacation over, time to get back to work!
Post by: PrincessMuffybear on July 26, 2012, 08:58:50 AM
Not everyone over the age of 50 has dementia people.....seriously the age discrimination here disguised as concern for Mrs. Jackson's health is a bit hard to take...
Post by: Adi on July 26, 2012, 09:11:39 AM
Not everyone over the age of 50 has dementia people......
Shit I hope not!! I'm only 3 years away from losing it totally if that were the case & I've still got 3 kids to look after..... :icon_e_wink:
Seriously though - my Dad is 81 and he is amazingly physically fit and mentally VERY switched on .... to me Katherine is exactly the same. Nothing is wrong with her - don't get sucked in to the bull crap.
Post by: paula-c on July 26, 2012, 09:36:40 AM
Post by: bec on July 26, 2012, 09:57:41 AM
I mean, how many weeks and months did WE pour over that will? How many discrepancies did WE find? How many contradictions did WE uncover? How much evidence did WE accumulate to say that MJ was probably not even in California when it was supposedly signed?
If they would look into the will... it would be like cracking Pandora's box... they might actually take the first step down the road to the truth... like WE DID 3 YEARS AGO.
Good lord, it's not even hard. The children's names are ALL wrong. You don't even have to spend 5 minutes on Google to realize that...
Let's face it, the will was one of the FIRST key pieces of hoax evidence handed to us almost immediately after 6/25/09. And it didn't take us long, we were looking into it the day it was released by TMZ, and within a week, clear, solid evidence that it was probably not valid came to the surface.
How long will it take? Will they ever make the right choice? Will MJ let them off the hook and allow this to continue for an untold further amount of time...? or will he keep pushing this envelope until the truth is shoved in their faces??
Man, I can't WAIT to find out...
Post by: RK on July 26, 2012, 10:24:56 AM
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on July 26, 2012, 11:02:14 AM
Post by: Billie J on July 26, 2012, 11:27:09 AM
Your Post makes my heart break in to pieces :'( NOT EVERYTHING is a Hoax!!!!
Ms Katherine is a 82 years old woman. :smiley_abuv: And I think she really did have a mini-stroke, that's why she had to read from a paper.
Poor Poor Katherine Jackson my heart goes out to you, it's never easy to get old :'(
Katherine looked and sounded FINE. Can we stop this BS about her health? She is an 82 year old woman who has to remember her script, of course she needs a paper. She is nothing different from other people her age. In fact, she seems to be much more energetic than my grandfather, who is 3 years younger and also did not have a mini stroke. Katherine simply knows her memory is not what it was 30-40 years ago and wanted to make sure she wouldn't miss anything, so she used the notes. Stop the stroke BS.
Souza you misunderstood My post. I'm on Katherine side. What I meant was,just because she read from a paper.
Doesn't mean it's a script she read. it's because of her lost of memory. And I think it's very ok, katherine is after all 82. And like I said not verything is a Hoax.
I can only repeat what I already said in another thread:
Seriously....I don´t get it....if you all believed in the family supporting the hoax and giving clues over the past three years, why are you NOW jumpfing ship? Does that make sense to you at all if you look back on what you have seen, heard and learned in the past three years?
@MaryK Seriously You got all that from what I had written?? Sometime what you read, is just what you read and nothing else. Don't analyze every word. And NO I'm not jumping ship :LolLolLolLol:
Post by: MaryK on July 26, 2012, 11:33:22 AM
Your Post makes my heart break in to pieces :'( NOT EVERYTHING is a Hoax!!!!
Ms Katherine is a 82 years old woman. :smiley_abuv: And I think she really did have a mini-stroke, that's why she had to read from a paper.
Poor Poor Katherine Jackson my heart goes out to you, it's never easy to get old :'(
Katherine looked and sounded FINE. Can we stop this BS about her health? She is an 82 year old woman who has to remember her script, of course she needs a paper. She is nothing different from other people her age. In fact, she seems to be much more energetic than my grandfather, who is 3 years younger and also did not have a mini stroke. Katherine simply knows her memory is not what it was 30-40 years ago and wanted to make sure she wouldn't miss anything, so she used the notes. Stop the stroke BS.
Souza you misunderstood My post. I'm on Katherine side. What I meant was,just because she read from a paper.
Doesn't mean it's a script she read. it's because of her lost of memory. And I think it's very ok, katherine is after all 82. And like I said not verything is a Hoax.
I can only repeat what I already said in another thread:
Seriously....I don´t get it....if you all believed in the family supporting the hoax and giving clues over the past three years, why are you NOW jumpfing ship? Does that make sense to you at all if you look back on what you have seen, heard and learned in the past three years?
@MaryK Seriously You got all that from what I had written?? Sometime what you read, is just what you read and nothing else. Don't analyze every word. And NO I'm not jumping ship :LolLolLolLol:
Uh yes I did.
You said "not everything is a hoax", "poor Mrs. Katherine"....so that implied that you believe that this is real.
Post by: bec on July 26, 2012, 11:40:29 AM
Post by: Billie J on July 26, 2012, 12:05:59 PM
Your Post makes my heart break in to pieces :'( NOT EVERYTHING is a Hoax!!!!
Ms Katherine is a 82 years old woman. :smiley_abuv: And I think she really did have a mini-stroke, that's why she had to read from a paper.
Poor Poor Katherine Jackson my heart goes out to you, it's never easy to get old :'(
Katherine looked and sounded FINE. Can we stop this BS about her health? She is an 82 year old woman who has to remember her script, of course she needs a paper. She is nothing different from other people her age. In fact, she seems to be much more energetic than my grandfather, who is 3 years younger and also did not have a mini stroke. Katherine simply knows her memory is not what it was 30-40 years ago and wanted to make sure she wouldn't miss anything, so she used the notes. Stop the stroke BS.
Souza you misunderstood My post. I'm on Katherine side. What I meant was,just because she read from a paper.
Doesn't mean it's a script she read. it's because of her lost of memory. And I think it's very ok, katherine is after all 82. And like I said not verything is a Hoax.
I can only repeat what I already said in another thread:
Seriously....I don´t get it....if you all believed in the family supporting the hoax and giving clues over the past three years, why are you NOW jumpfing ship? Does that make sense to you at all if you look back on what you have seen, heard and learned in the past three years?
@MaryK Seriously You got all that from what I had written?? Sometime what you read, is just what you read and nothing else. Don't analyze every word. And NO I'm not jumping ship :LolLolLolLol:
Uh yes I did.
You said "not everything is a hoax", "poor Mrs. Katherine"....so that implied that you believe that this is real.
All I say is, it's a slightly tiny possibility it could be true about katherine having a mini-stroke. And that would be SAD! Never mind :Pulling_hair:
Post by: MaryK on July 26, 2012, 12:09:06 PM
Post by: PrincessMuffybear on July 26, 2012, 12:24:51 PM
We had reservations for the resort for October--when I read no phones I had to call and make inquiries. In my world, no phone would mean no go....
Post by: Billie J on July 26, 2012, 12:34:29 PM
Billie J I don´t think that Michael would allow her or even want her to participate in the hoax at this time (being on TV and everything) if she really had health issues.
Hope so, really hope so with all my heart.
Post by: bec on July 26, 2012, 12:54:21 PM
Post by: Billie J on July 26, 2012, 01:00:04 PM
How can you even doubt that? Are we talking about the same Michael Jackson here?
Noo I'm NOt talking about Michael Jackson.what I meant was. hope the story about katherine being ill is wrong ofc
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 26, 2012, 03:17:43 PM
:omg: How come there are still people here thinking that Michael Jackson and/or Jackson family could be playing with Mrs Katherine Jackson's health? Are we all crazy, is this a hoax or not?
Let's send positive energy to Michael for his plan to work perfectly :icon_bounce:
Post by: mindseye on July 26, 2012, 03:32:51 PM
Post by: blankie on July 26, 2012, 03:51:34 PM
All this is happening is decided by Michael :michael-jackson: . From June 25 I 've decided to follow him and I always will trust in him .
He is preparing something and I thank him for these new emotions.. :bearhug:
With L.O.V.E. :bearhug:
Post by: Billie J on July 26, 2012, 04:48:59 PM
English is not my Homelanguage,maybe that's why I got misunderstood here on this forum.
I wrote Something that came out wrong. I want to feel I can do a post without getting a lot of comments hours after my post was written. Or at least if u could erase you own post would be good.
And to clear it once and 4 all, I DON'T believe MJ or a family person could or would play with katherine's health. It really hurt my feelings. :(
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on July 26, 2012, 05:11:01 PM
:over-react-smiley: :Pulling_hair:
English is not my Homelanguage,maybe that's why I got misunderstood here on this forum.
I wrote Something that came out wrong. I want to feel I can do a post without getting a lot of comments hours after my post was written. Or at least if u could erase you own post would be good.
And to clear it once and 4 all, I DON'T believe MJ or a family person could or would play with katherine's health. It really hurt my feelings. :(
Don't worry honey it's clear now.
Post by: looking4truth on July 26, 2012, 07:22:37 PM
Here are some thoughts. In one of the YT hoax videos, an “insider” Q & A video created by, maybe, MJHoaxEvidence (http://www.youtube.com/user/MJHoaxEvidence/featured) (anyone remember?), it was stated that one of the signs to look for regarding the hoax nearing its end (or BAM time) is that the executors will step down.
So in the past couple of weeks, MJ’s siblings presented a letter challenging the positions of the executors. At the same time, Katherine basically went into hiding, away from “phones and computers” or, in other words, away from means in which the executors and their affiliates could attempt to harass, manipulate, control, and threaten her with taking away the personal allowance provided to her in the will unless she gets her kids in line. (And correct me if I’m wrong, but it’s my understanding that there’s legal stipulation in place whereby if Katherine challenges the will, she automatically forfeits her personal allowance.)
Enter TJ. Not one who receives a personal allowance from the will and not a sibling who could be potentially maligned (however baseless) as seeking money from the will. In short, the executors have no leverage with TJ. (Actually, outside of Katherine, the executors have minimal leverage with anyone who assumes guardianship of the kids).
Back to Katherine. Now that TJ has been appointed as the kid’s guardian, Katherine is now free to return home to LA, i.e., out of hiding. Katherine is also free to once again communicate with her grandchildren. Regarding the lack of communication with her grandchildren in the days after the letter was publicized, if the executors have control such that they are basically able to order security to prevent MJ’s children from going somewhere (even out of state) with their aunt and uncles and/or bar these key relatives from the kids' home, then it is reasonable for Katherine to have chosen not to speak to the kids for a time in order to avoid having them be pawns in the hands of the executors.
It’s all pretty brilliant plotting, really. :icon_e_wink: Now if the media would simply focus on investigating the content of the will instead of spinning stories about the Jacksons seeking money . . .
Great points! Thanks for posting this. It makes sense.
Post by: mindseye on July 26, 2012, 07:39:52 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj5-sv2Yybk[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eBcFVeGAqY[/youtube]
Post by: Adi on July 26, 2012, 07:51:06 PM
Just curious.
Post by: MaryK on July 26, 2012, 08:04:35 PM
This might seem like a silly question...but is Trent a real person? Does he really exist? Have we seen or heard of him before all of this? I'm not exactly up on all the extended Jackson family cousins, nephews, nieces etc.
Just curious.
Adi read/look here:
Official back & Front thread (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=5167.msg418510#msg418510)
Post by: marumjj on July 26, 2012, 08:23:18 PM
Post by: GINAFELICIA on July 27, 2012, 12:46:31 AM
All I got from this article is more confusion.
Post by: bec on July 27, 2012, 01:35:50 AM