Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: MaryK on August 07, 2012, 08:09:11 PM
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/michael-jackson-will-lawsuit.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/michael-jackson-will-lawsuit.html)
Validity of Michael Jackson’s will may be aired in court
August 7, 2012 | 1:59 pm
The validity of Michael Jackson’s will could get a court airing next month if a business associate of the pop star’s mother gets his way.
Lawyers for a Canadian businessman who works with Katherine Jackson wrote in a filing Monday that he was “in possession of evidence that casts substantial doubt on the validity of the will” and wants to present it at federal trial set for September.
The business partner, Howard Mann, is locked in a copyright battle with the executors of the singer’s estate largely over a tribute book that he produced with Jackson’s mother.
In a filing in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles, Mann’s lawyers wrote he wanted to present an attack on the will’s authenticity as part of a defense to copyright infringement claims brought by executors John Branca and John McClain.
“Defendants will argue that the estate cannot produce any evidence indicating they own the assets, thereby failing the first prong of a copyright action,” the attorneys wrote.
The probate court presiding over Jackson’s estate accepted the 2002 will shortly after his death and an appellate court subsequently said the window for challenging the will had closed. The document put Jackson’s assets into a private trust run by Branca and McClain, music industry veterans and longtime Jackson advisors. The trust benefits Jackson’s three children, his mother and charities.
In recent weeks, some of his siblings, who inherited nothing, have said the will was faked and called on Branca and McClain to resign. The executors have condemned “false and defamatory accusations grounded in stale Internet conspiracy theories.”
Their attorney urged a judge last month to bar any attack on the will in front of jurors, writing that it was a settled legal issue and irrelevant to the copyright claims.
“None of this evidence would constitute a legal defense to any of the claims in this lawsuit, and are offered solely so that defendants may point to their relationship with Mrs. Jackson and argue that the estate is somehow being unfair to her,” the attorney wrote.
A hearing is set for Aug. 27.
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And now, that have to see Howard Mann in all this?
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^^^ Indeed...interesting. Reminds me of the really interesting discussion here on the forum regarding The Mann Act, which arose quite a while ago the 1st time this dude Howard Mann came into the picture. I will have to search for the thread.
Here's the wiki article on The Mann Act for a refresher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act
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Interesting.
Very interesting.
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Mann is like a blast from hoax past. It was him who was running that secret vault website, right? And released Opis None. He's been against the executors for quite a while now.
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For the big picture, we still have to wait until April 2, 2013, at least, which is the first date in court for Katherine Jackson's lawsuit against AEG.
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Yeh, the Michael Jacksons secret vault...which required a password login "ALIVE"
There was another wierd video on that site, that seemed so irrelevant at the time..about a dispute regarding MJ's possesions...
This is great news for everyone involved.
What really puzzles me , is that nobody is bringing up the fact that the childrens names are incorrect and that Michaels real middle name is JOE, not Joseph. It is a legal document and has to be accurate..
Why haven't the family used that as proof/ evidence that the will is fraudulent as well???
I so glad something might be moving finally in regards the the will saga. Up until now, its been all talk and no action... :abouttime: :abouttime:
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Just wondering if we can get a brief Howard / vault / opis rundown for newbies to the hoax, and oldies that are unfamiliar. Pleeeease with a cherry on top someone....
If not, a point in the direcection of where to research and what I should be looking for. Gotta fill these gaps in my hoaxy career :icon_e_wink:
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Meanwhile Canadian business associate... Wonder who that is.
This is getting interesting! "evidence the will is fake"
We sure have been building up to something the past few weeks :)
EDIT: @ 2good, you'd also like to think that when they eventually do pick up on the incorrect names in the will, that this will draw attention to the death cert and AR too :)
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Opis None aka what it's real title is "Confusion". Great mix. I really dig it.
Aussie just search Michael Jackson Secret Vault or Opis None. You can find all the stuff that's worth picking up a trail for Mann there.
That site never required a password for me. But the Coupon Code for Ms. Katherine's book was MJLIVES:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjlivescou.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjlivescro.jpg)
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Watch here at 4:00 on the Mann Act concerning slavery.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQhkGEMMuac&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Here’s some threads on Howard Mann.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=16476.msg280267#msg280267
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18436.msg322706#msg322706
2good2btrue
What really puzzles me , is that nobody is bringing up the fact that the childrens names are incorrect and that Michaels real middle name is JOE, not Joseph. It is a legal document and has to be accurate..
But then there's also his marriage licence to Lisa, and all 3 children's birth certificates. Perhaps there will be a proverbial collapse of the house of cards.
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Watch here at 4:00 on the Mann Act concerning slavery.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQhkGEMMuac&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Here’s some threads on Howard Mann.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=16476.msg280267#msg280267
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/index.php?topic=18436.msg322706#msg322706
2good2btrue
What really puzzles me , is that nobody is bringing up the fact that the childrens names are incorrect and that Michaels real middle name is JOE, not Joseph. It is a legal document and has to be accurate..
But then there's also his marriage licence to Lisa, and all 3 children's birth certificates. Perhaps there will be a proverbial collapse of the house of cards.
Do you think all this attention to the will, talking about how Michael was in Harlem on 7.7.02, will get people looking at the evidence?? The speech about "Black artists being used as slaves", and then the speech about Sony and Tommy Mattola being racist and devilish??
Maybe this is what Michael wants. For everyone to see those videos again.or for the first time.
This fits in with the Mann Act...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OBUgE6EDFo[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx0Un9K5dKQ
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx0Un9K5dKQ[/youtube]
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I'm immersed in vault / Mann research. Thanks folks :icon_e_wink:
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For the big picture, we still have to wait until April 2, 2013, at least, which is the first date in court for Katherine Jackson's lawsuit against AEG.
that's right, this fact cannot be ignored and definitely not the part of the hoax.
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Interesting.
Very interesting.
+1
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For the big picture, we still have to wait until April 2, 2013, at least, which is the first date in court for Katherine Jackson's lawsuit against AEG.
that's right, this fact cannot be ignored and definitely not the part of the hoax.
When was that date announced - I thought it was due in September.
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http://wavenewspapers.com/arts_and_entertainment/article_5dc28c8a-9eba-11e1-aa14-001a4bcf6878.html (http://wavenewspapers.com/arts_and_entertainment/article_5dc28c8a-9eba-11e1-aa14-001a4bcf6878.html)
"Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Yvette Palazuelos ruled there was good reason to postpone trial from Sept. 10 until April 2 because of AEG Live's challenge in obtaining all the information it needs from the opposing side to prepare a proper defense."
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Here´s something I found on Twitter. Posted by MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct).
There are some interesting informations but I don´t know what to think about it bc I am not very knowledgeable regarding this whole Mann thing (yet).
So I am posting this as information, not saying that this is "da troot". I´d appreciate some "input" and opinions from people here that know more about the Mann case.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/inpd83 (http://www.twitlonger.com/show/inpd83)
MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct)
Posted Wednesday 8th August 2012 from Twitlonger
Allright .. this recent La Times article with Howard Mann attempting to question the validity of the 02 Will as some kind of defense is LUDICRIOUS - but what is even more disgusting and shocking is the fact that it was all nicely and neatly set up.
By whom, you may ask?
Well, let's harken back just a few short weeks ago shall we?
Jackson sib letter was leaked to the media, regarding their concerns over their mother's health, even lied and said she had a "mini-stroke" that was later downgraded to mere "high blood pressure"
Then removing Katherine from the grandchildren she is legally responsible for and prohibiting ALL contact with the outside world so Katherine knew naught what was occuring. Held her so long that TJ, another grandson felt it necessary to take legal steps to PROTECT Michael's children. Later, Katherine comes back to make a court deposition contradicting everything that that sibs had fed to the media to get her guardianship back.
Fueding tabloid stories back and forth disagreed on details but ONE thing was clear - the Siblings of Michael want the ouster of John Branca and will pretty much do anything to get that done, even though they have not taken one LEGAL STEP in that direction. They have submitted NOTHING to the Court .. only used the MEDIA- but that would seem untowardly enough until THIS LA Times Article.
Howard Mann and his business partner Henry Vaccaro are being sued by the MJEstate regarding items in a warehouse they have in their possession due to a bankcruptcy by some Jacksons- not Michael mind you. Both Michael and Janet sued Vacarro at the time of trial to get those items back but because Michael was otherwise busy trying to prove himself innocent - this case slipped through the cracks. No information on janet's case but suspect it fell though too, since Mann and Vacarro HAVE possession.
The details of the lawsuit filed by MJEstate really don't matter but rest assured THEY are trying to PROTECT Michael's image and his copyrights.
What matters?
What does matter is that COURT documents show that Henry Vaccaro handed over to Sneddon items during the 2005 trial in an attempt to facilitate a conviction of Michael.
I repeat -- Henry Vaccaro handed over to Tom Sneddon items during the 2005 trial in an attempt to facilitate a conviction of Michael. Remember how gleefully Dimond held up a pair of briefs she supposed to be MJ's? Vaccarro even wrote a little letter saying he hoped it would all work out for Sneddon.
Now one must ask themselves why would any of the Jacksons be dealing with Howard Mann & Henry Vaccaro?
We can hypothetically hear the discussion Howard Mann had with Katherine:
Mann - "Look .. we've got some potentially damning items in a warehouse. We sure don't want to have anythng brought out in the open that might EMBARASS You, Joe, Janet, Tito, Jackie, Marlon, Jermaine, Latoya, Randy and Rebbi - do we? You wanna keep it quiet - dontcha??
Kath- "of course"
Mann- " What I am prepared to do for you Katherine is give you these items IF you - Do business wth me.. SIGN a contract that enslaves Michael's children to PR stints for me and I'll throw a little cash your way.. .. and ALSO help me hawk MJ memorabliia items from the warehouse .on a site called MJVault .. ..and you, Well,,, out of the kindness of our hearts - WE gonna let you write a book about ur boy"
Kath- "and you will turn over the incriminating items?"
Mann- "sure sure.. here Katherine .. let me get you a pen .. just sign on the dotted line.. and oh by the way .. the profits from the book .. We will take 2/3 of it .. for helping your promote it ..dontcha see"
Yep.. that in OUR opinion is how that all went down. And NOW .. everybody knows once you accept being blackmailed ...the blackmailers got you by the shorthairs.. so to speak...
Howard Mann needed the siblings to make a MEDIA fuss about the validity of the O2 Will .. right at the opportune time that the MJEstate VS Howard Mann Henry Vaccaro case was due to be heard.
TIMING IS EVERYTHING ..
and also don't forget - The love of Money will make curious bedfellows ...
What is at stake in the Mann case? Copyright .. Yep you heard it right .. Who ever gets their hot little hands on the Copyrights have a way to make MINT on Michael.
So now go read that LA Times article just one more time .. slowly and truly absorb what went down right in front of our eyes.
A ruse of sorts .. all the while we were thinking this was about the health and welfare of Katherine Jackson and the protection of Michael's HEIRS apparent but in actuality it was all staged for Howard Mann's case.
So we can only assume that Mann and Vaccarro did NOT turn over all of the skeletons in the Jackson warehouse, if you get our drift. We want to assume that he is holding those items over their heads ONCE AGAIN ... because we don't want to believe that the Jacksons are willingly working in conjunction with Vaccaro who worked openly and with great gusto AGAINST Michael to bring a guilty conviction.
To assume that they freely participated in such an abomination when their "fundamental family relationship" with Mkchael's children is so delicate is to suggest that they are in fact really demons and not loving aunts and uncles at all. .
Details and background -
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/12/entertainment/la-ca-michael-jackson-20101212 (http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/12/entertainment/la-ca-michael-jackson-20101212)
LA Article-http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/michael-jackson-will-lawsuit.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/michael-jackson-will-lawsuit.html)
Rest in Peace, dear brother Michael.. rest assured God and your fanbase are watching over your children.
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The Mann Act and Michael Jackson - as I mentioned previously, I recall it being discussed back when Howard Mann 1st "appeared" on the "scene".
The Blog by Charles Thompson posted on 3rd JANUARY 2010: "FBI File Reveals Attempt to Convict Jackson with Racist Law" the link to which, I remember, was posted during those discussions and reading at the time and thinking >:( >:( >:(
Here is the link to C.T.'s Blog article about Michael Jackson being targeted under the Mann Act:
http://charlesthomsonjournalist.blogspot.com.au/2010/01/fbi-file-reveals-attempt-to-convict.html
Things that make you go :WTF:
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LunaJo (youtube) made an excellent video about legality of a will.
How to prove a will invalid?
1- the deceased was incompetent when the will was made
2- " " " under undue influence or fraude when the will was made
3- the will was improperly executed
4- there is a later valid will
Now, go and figure which is the case...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xORL6CSFdns
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Hello everyone,
I love GOOOGLE because you can figure out everything.
Someone did ask a Lawyer two Years ago about Michaels Will.
Here is the Link
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/last-will-valid-despite-wrong-location-and-wrong-n-361975.html (http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/last-will-valid-despite-wrong-location-and-wrong-n-361975.html)
The only Thing I can see that the Will is maybe invalid is because they used the wrong
middle Name. Anyone here with a better english than mine and with more courage
is interested to ask one of the Lawyer? This Site says its for free. But than you should
use another Name for example Tom Joe Smith at legal Documents (passport Driver Licence) and in the Will Tom Joseph Smith.
Much Peace and Love to everyone
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Hello everyone,
I love GOOOGLE because you can figure out everything.
Someone did ask a Lawyer two Years ago about Michaels Will.
Here is the Link
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/last-will-valid-despite-wrong-location-and-wrong-n-361975.html (http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/last-will-valid-despite-wrong-location-and-wrong-n-361975.html)
The only Thing I can see that the Will is maybe invalid is because they used the wrong
middle Name. Anyone here with a better english than mine and with more courage
is interested to ask one of the Lawyer? This Site says its for free. But than you should
use another Name for example Tom Joe Smith at legal Documents (passport Driver Licence) and in the Will Tom Joseph Smith.
Much Peace and Love to everyone
Last will valid despite wrong location and wrong names?
Asked almost 2 years ago - Los Angeles, CA
Question: Estate Planning Will
There's a will, signed by the deceased and three witnesses.
But there's a problem: the deceased AND the witnesses signed, that the will was signed in Los Angeles, while it is proven, that the deceased wasn't in Los Angeles at the time the will was signed.
Also all names of the deceased's children are misspelled.
Is that will valid? Wouldn't the witnesses have to prove beyond their signatures, that they had been in the same place with the deceased, when the will was signed? The will specifically says, that they were all present at the same time.
What would be the procedure in this case?
Btw, two of the witnesses are also named as the executors of the will and it's a pretty huge estate to be taken care of.
Answer 1: Licensed in CA
Robert Miller
Los Angeles Probate Attorney
Lawyer agrees
Answered about a year ago. The short and simple answer is that minor errors and discrepancies will generally be ignored. If it can be determined that the decedent signed the document, that the decedent's signature was witnessed by at least 2 adults not named as beneficiaries in the will, and the intent of the testator can be determined, most courts would accept the document. Whoever possesses the will should lodge it with the court having jurisdiction over the decedent's place of residence, or, alternately, where the assets are located. A named executor may file a petition to probate the will but if he or she fails to do so, then other interested persons may file such a petition, including surviving spouse, children, and others according to statutory priorities.
Answer 2: Licensed in CA
Henry Daniel Lively
Costa Mesa Tax Lawyer
Answered about a year ago.
First, it this is a "pretty huge estate" you should retain counsel immediately to begin the probate process and lodge this will with the court to determine if it is the valid last will of the decedent. Having the will not signed in LA and misspelled names are probably not enough to determine that this will is not valid. It is the intent of the testator that is important.
Any individual seeking legal advice for their own situation should retain their own legal counsel as this response provides information that is general in nature and not specific to any person's unique situation. Circular 230 Disclaimer - Advice given in this response cannot be used to eliminate penalties with the IRS or any other governmental agency.
I've just opened the link for you.....
Well according to these lawyers, there really nothing wrong other than the wrong middle name, but that MJ's intent was obvious... :over-react-smiley: :over-react-smiley:
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Hello everyone,
I love GOOOGLE because you can figure out everything.
Someone did ask a Lawyer two Years ago about Michaels Will.
Here is the Link
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/last-will-valid-despite-wrong-location-and-wrong-n-361975.html (http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/last-will-valid-despite-wrong-location-and-wrong-n-361975.html)
The only Thing I can see that the Will is maybe invalid is because they used the wrong
middle Name. Anyone here with a better english than mine and with more courage
is interested to ask one of the Lawyer? This Site says its for free. But than you should
use another Name for example Tom Joe Smith at legal Documents (passport Driver Licence) and in the Will Tom Joseph Smith.
Much Peace and Love to everyone
Last will valid despite wrong location and wrong names?
Asked almost 2 years ago - Los Angeles, CA
Question: Estate Planning Will
There's a will, signed by the deceased and three witnesses.
But there's a problem: the deceased AND the witnesses signed, that the will was signed in Los Angeles, while it is proven, that the deceased wasn't in Los Angeles at the time the will was signed.
Also all names of the deceased's children are misspelled.
Is that will valid? Wouldn't the witnesses have to prove beyond their signatures, that they had been in the same place with the deceased, when the will was signed? The will specifically says, that they were all present at the same time.
What would be the procedure in this case?
Btw, two of the witnesses are also named as the executors of the will and it's a pretty huge estate to be taken care of.
Answer 1: Licensed in CA
Robert Miller
Los Angeles Probate Attorney
Lawyer agrees
Answered about a year ago. The short and simple answer is that minor errors and discrepancies will generally be ignored. If it can be determined that the decedent signed the document, that the decedent's signature was witnessed by at least 2 adults not named as beneficiaries in the will, and the intent of the testator can be determined, most courts would accept the document. Whoever possesses the will should lodge it with the court having jurisdiction over the decedent's place of residence, or, alternately, where the assets are located. A named executor may file a petition to probate the will but if he or she fails to do so, then other interested persons may file such a petition, including surviving spouse, children, and others according to statutory priorities.
Answer 2: Licensed in CA
Henry Daniel Lively
Costa Mesa Tax Lawyer
Answered about a year ago.
First, it this is a "pretty huge estate" you should retain counsel immediately to begin the probate process and lodge this will with the court to determine if it is the valid last will of the decedent. Having the will not signed in LA and misspelled names are probably not enough to determine that this will is not valid. It is the intent of the testator that is important.
Any individual seeking legal advice for their own situation should retain their own legal counsel as this response provides information that is general in nature and not specific to any person's unique situation. Circular 230 Disclaimer - Advice given in this response cannot be used to eliminate penalties with the IRS or any other governmental agency.
I've just opened the link for you.....
Well according to these lawyers, there really nothing wrong other than the wrong middle name, but that MJ's intent was obvious... :over-react-smiley: :over-react-smiley:
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/middle-names-being-shortened-make-a-will-invalid--864771.html?callable=false&published=true
Joseph Jonathan Brophy
White Plains Probate Attorney
If the proper formalities are followed in executing the Will, it is presumptively valid. Witnesses are required to eliminate any question of who the testator was or whether he or she was competent to make a Will (I am skipping over holographic, unwitnessed wills which a few states recognize). Wills use variations in peoples' names all the time. If there is a serious question about identifying a beneficiary, that is an issue for interpretation of the Will but should not invalidate it.
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So what I understand from all this is that all the "inconsistencies" in the document itself will not invalidate the will.
Hm....
However, "Joseph" is used deliberately I guess. :icon_mrgreen:
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The fact he's not dead kinda makes the will invalid at this time! It's a prop - even if the mistakes would not invalidate a genuine will in the case of a genuine death, they are serving their purpose of drawing attention to it and keeping MJ in the news. It's genius - just enough to say 'look closer' but not enough to be too blatant about not being dead!
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The fact he's not dead kinda makes the will invalid at this time! It's a prop - even if the mistakes would not invalidate a genuine will in the case of a genuine death, they are serving their purpose of drawing attention to it and keeping MJ in the news. It's genius - just enough to say 'look closer' but not enough to be too blatant about not being dead!
Agree. Fake in this case = scripted...literally :icon_e_wink:
Simply beautiful :bowdown: :icon_lol:
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The fake Will has been the common denominator for the past 3+ years......it underpins the entire staged death of Michael Jackson.
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a thought just poped in my head,
my mother when she is in the motion of listening to the evidence to back up not dead, she said "i believe the king of pop is dead, maybe not him"
of course she reverts back when not in my company... but.. with the whole joesph thing.. I'm wondering in some ways he has laid to rest his music career and also the past with his father? burying the joesph Saga along with the king of pop? It's very unlikely that to be it. It's one of those deep far out reach thoughts that i just had to explain the middle name being used.
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a thought just poped in my head,
my mother when she is in the motion of listening to the evidence to back up not dead, she said "i believe the king of pop is dead, maybe not him"
of course she reverts back when not in my company... but.. with the whole joesph thing.. I'm wondering in some ways he has laid to rest his music career and also the past with his father? burying the joesph Saga along with the king of pop? It's very unlikely that to be it. It's one of those deep far out reach thoughts that i just had to explain the middle name being used.
That makes a lot of sense to me, BTW you have a very clever mother say hello to her from me.
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Yeh, the Michael Jacksons secret vault...which required a password login "ALIVE"
There was another wierd video on that site, that seemed so irrelevant at the time..about a dispute regarding MJ's possesions...
This is great news for everyone involved.
What really puzzles me , is that nobody is bringing up the fact that the childrens names are incorrect and that Michaels real middle name is JOE, not Joseph. It is a legal document and has to be accurate..
Why haven't the family used that as proof/ evidence that the will is fraudulent as well???
I so glad something might be moving finally in regards the the will saga. Up until now, its been all talk and no action... :abouttime: :abouttime:
Who knows what will have in mind Michael..... :ghsdf:... he is the director of all, and if he allows the family business are public,
there is a reason..... :suspect:....waiting for the next steps of our boy... :michael-jackson:
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Same subject, new article with more details:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/michael-jackson-attacked-estate-battle-copyrighted-material-tribute-book-article-1.1132078 (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/michael-jackson-attacked-estate-battle-copyrighted-material-tribute-book-article-1.1132078)
Michael Jackson’s will attacked again; estate hit with new paperwork over copyrighted material in tribute book
Memorabilia dealer Howard Mann says he is 'in possession of evidence that casts substantial doubt on the validity of the will,' and plans to present it when he goes to court next month over the intellectual property in a tribute book he published with Katherine Jackson.
By Nancy Dillon / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 7:26 PM
Michael Jackson's will is under assault again, this time in federal court.
Howard Mann, a memorabilia dealer who published a tribute book with matriarch Katherine Jackson two years ago, filed legal docs Monday claiming he was "in possession of evidence that casts substantial doubt on the validity of the will."
He told the Daily News Wednesday that he hopes to present the evidence in court when a copyright battle centered on the book goes to trial next month.
He's fighting with the estate's executors over intellectual property contained in the book and a website created to sell it.
"I am not backing down from my court fight with these guys. I'm not interested in settling with them. I came out and said these guys were a fraud two years ago," Mann told The News. "I have many people who will come and give testimony that the entire administration is a fraud and a collusive operation designed to take assets away from Katherine and Michael's kids."
Asked about his alleged "evidence," Mann echoed a recent claim by Janet Jackson and her siblings Randy and Rebbie that the 2002 will is a "fake" because it was signed with a Los Angeles dateline while Michael was in New York at an event with the Rev. Al Sharpton.
The estate executors called Janet's accusation "false and defamatory," rooted in "stale Internet conspiracy theories" that had been "thoroughly debunked."
Mann said he also might call experts to the stand to question so-called "variances" in handwriting on the will and errors in the spellings of Michael's kids' names.
"I have no ability to contest the will. It's not up to me to prove its validity. All I have to do is prove they don't own certain copyrights," he said.
Janet's lawyer issued a statement Friday saying the "Control" singer, Randy and Rebbie would "press forward in their search for the truth."
"It is important to stress that Janet, Randy and Rebbie have questioned the validity of the will with no financial motive whatsoever - they stand to gain nothing financially by a finding that the will is invalid," the lawyer said, noting that Michael's children are his beneficiaries either way.
"What will be gained by a finding of invalidity is that the executors will be replaced and the estate and the guardianship will be managed in a manner that is in the best interests of the children, which is what Michael wanted," the lawyer said.
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"Mann echoed a recent claim by Janet Jackson and her siblings Randy and Rebbie that the 2002 will is a "fake" because it was signed with a Los Angeles dateline while Michael was in New York at an event with the Rev. Al Sharpton."
This we found out loooong ago.
What about sending them the link to the forum where all those threads regarding MJ´s signatures and the will can be read? Part of their investigation will be already done, lol.
However, maybe MJ had a flight the same say from L.A to N.Y to sign the documents? could that be possible?
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<facepalm>
Maybe Michael dated the will on 7.7.2002 (what's the right year?) because he wants to draw everybody's attention to that speech???? :icon_eek: This is his real testament. His will! :animal0017:
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Hello everyone,
I will never understand People who a fighting against the Estate. The Estate did
a incredible Job the Past three Years.
The Estate owns still 87,5 % of Neverland.
The Estate has still a 50% share of the Sony/ATV catalog.
The Estate made a Deal with Sony over 250 mil $ over 7 Albums in 10 Years
The Estate and Sony bought EMI Music and has now a share of the Market of 38%
They paid off nearly his Debt. Not to mention the Cooperation with Cirque de Solei, selling of Memorabilia and so on. John Branca is doing more than a normal Estate Lawyer is usually doing. He was at the "Shoeprint Ceremony" at "X-Factor" at the "Fanfest" and who knows where else. To me it seemed always as when he is overseeing
Michael's Business. I believe that Michael used the Middle Name Joseph only for Hoax
Purpose because all Documents associated with his "Death" say Joseph although
he was indentified with his Driver Licence and the Driver Licence says Michael JOE Jackson. Go John Branca, you have my full support.
Much Peace and Love to everyone.
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I think I know what could be going on here........
The testator MUST be of sound mind and not under the influence of any mind altering drugs, and was not forced to sign the will...
Could it be that the reason MJ leaked alot of information that suggests he is or was a drug addict make a difference..( I know it;s not true)
For the hoax sake, there is more evidence to suggest that Michael was under the influence of pescription medication at the time the will was signed, and therefore would make the will invalid???
Where you impaired while signing these two documents???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNBHaMCHstM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNBHaMCHstM[/youtube]
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I vaguely remember seeing this video way back when......wow.
What exactly is this interview from.....I see The Sun......but
surely he wasn't talking to them...who is he talking to exactly?
The interviewer uses the word, "testimony"....why? It's almost
like a pre-trial interview of some sort.....or just shades of things to come.
I can't help but think it's all a set up ......leading to this very point...the will.
Very interesting....thanks for posting it!
Blessings!
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Thanks for posting that video 2good. What I've always loved about that clip is MJ gets away with confirming nothing, really. None of his answers can really be held against him, he makes sure to answer nothing with any certainty whatsoever. Very clever.
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Thanks for posting that vid 2good!
I just love his "Bambi-style" blinking. :icon_e_wink:
Trying to look so clueless and delicate but you can tell from his eyes that he is wide awake and in total control of the situation.
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Oh MJ, you're so wiley and crafty. How I love thee :bearhug:
Bambi eyes puppet master is disguise!
"Could have been. Possibly. Could have been. Possibly"
blink blink blink. meanwhile mwhahahaha...
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Attention seekers. :judge-smiley:
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@MaryK....you're hilarious.......
Bambi-style blinking
it's so true though.....
and those glasses just emphasize
those gorgeous blinkers! LOL.........
Blessings!
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I can understand why u would think this....... But you have to realize that Mcclain and Branca cant just sit around and not do any work because then they dont get paid!!! Also
With noone to answer to they can make deals get their % of that and also take as much as they want off the top and NO ONE would know. This will to me is the WHOLE REASON MJ planned and executed this hoax. I mean just imagine people being in charge of ALL your finances and EVERYTHING, knowing they are stealing from you every chance they get, knowing they are trying to KILL you so they can impliment a false will and not being able to do anything about it.... That would be a HORRIBLE feeling and I think that is why MJ faked his death. Hello everyone,
I will never understand People who a fighting against the Estate. The Estate did
a incredible Job the Past three Years.
The Estate owns still 87,5 % of Neverland.
The Estate has still a 50% share of the Sony/ATV catalog.
The Estate made a Deal with Sony over 250 mil $ over 7 Albums in 10 Years
The Estate and Sony bought EMI Music and has now a share of the Market of 38%
They paid off nearly his Debt. Not to mention the Cooperation with Cirque de Solei, selling of Memorabilia and so on. John Branca is doing more than a normal Estate Lawyer is usually doing. He was at the "Shoeprint Ceremony" at "X-Factor" at the "Fanfest" and who knows where else. To me it seemed always as when he is overseeing
Michael's Business. I believe that Michael used the Middle Name Joseph only for Hoax
Purpose because all Documents associated with his "Death" say Joseph although
he was indentified with his Driver Licence and the Driver Licence says Michael JOE Jackson. Go John Branca, you have my full support.
Much Peace and Love to everyone.
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:icon_lol: So it boils down to was he acting in that clip or was he really out of it for 2002 and 2003.
Yet in the whole bunch of videos of MJ resisting Sony around 7/7/02 including the one of him on the double-decker bus, MJ seemed to be totally clear-minded! The bridge accident he speaks of happened in Munich in 1999.
So what other things were happening in his life then--well two very important people --Paris and Prince and later Blanket. You think he would have been drugged out of his mind while they were around--the joy of his life?
Wiki. In 2002, Michael Jackson won his 22nd American Music Award for Artist of the Century.[171] In the same year, Jackson's third child, Prince Michael Jackson II (nicknamed "Blanket") was born. On November 20 of that year, Jackson brought his newborn son onto the balcony of his room at the Hotel Adlon in Berlin, as fans stood below, holding him in his right arm, with a cloth loosely draped over the baby's face. The baby was briefly extended over a railing, four stories above ground level, causing widespread criticism in the media. Jackson later apologized for the incident, calling it "a terrible mistake"
Beginning in May 2002, Jackson allowed a documentary film crew, led by British TV personality Martin Bashir, to follow him around just about everywhere he went. Bashir's film crew was with Jackson during the "baby-dangling incident" in Berlin. The program was broadcast in March 2003 as Living with Michael Jackson, and painted an extraordinarily unflattering portrait of the singer.
Never once do we see MJ impaired during the Bashir docu, yet that was just around the time he was supposedly impaired. Therefore my guess is MJ is acting in this cutey clip with the 'Bambi' eyes and glasses.
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Talked to a lawyer today who works on probate cases, wills, etc. Asked him what happens if hypothetically, the names are wrong on a will. He said wrong? Like a misspelling? I said no, wrong like the wrong name of the deceased, wrong name of the heirs. He said, screwing up the names? What lawyer would get THAT wrong?
Har har.
Bottom line, if you can prove that went it was drawn up, it was just a mistake, and they "meant" the right names, the lawyer just screwed them up, it would probably be ok.
But he was unimpressed with any lawyer who would make those kinds of mistakes. Horrified, really.
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Talked to a lawyer today who works on probate cases, wills, etc. Asked him what happens if hypothetically, the names are wrong on a will. He said wrong? Like a misspelling? I said no, wrong like the wrong name of the deceased, wrong name of the heirs. He said, screwing up the names? What lawyer would get THAT wrong?
Har har.
Bottom line, if you can prove that went it was drawn up, it was just a mistake, and they "meant" the right names, the lawyer just screwed them up, it would probably be ok.
But he was unimpressed with any lawyer who would make those kinds of mistakes. Horrified, really.
Yep...pretty sloppy for an attorney with a self-professed "decades long" relationship with his client...LOL. Of course this could just perfectly illustrate yet again that even the people closest to Michael for the longest periods of time didn't REALLY know him. He was Branca's best man for God's sake...but was that maybe just for power trippin'? You'd think in all those years that Branca et al would have TONS of documents that they prepared for Michael for deals and whatnot. Was the name wrong on ALL of them? That might be interesting to find out. If they all are wrong then either they were too busy ringing the cash register to care to get to know him...or Michael didn't let (read completely trust) them...or...all these things were specifically planned and planted this way. It's all still confusing on this end. :icon_e_confused:
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“Defendants will argue that the estate cannot produce any evidence indicating they own the assets, thereby failing the first prong of a copyright action,” the attorneys wrote.
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Of course they don't own the assets. The estate doesn't exist. In the context of, The estate just = MJ. Not a group of suits. But JMO.
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This will to me is the WHOLE REASON MJ planned and executed this hoax. I mean just imagine people being in charge of ALL your finances and EVERYTHING, knowing they are stealing from you every chance they get, knowing they are trying to KILL you so they can impliment a false will and not being able to do anything about it....
Hi YM, I'm just catching up on some reading, so don't mind me. Just want to ask, I know it was a while ago, but wanted to ask re: the post you made above. Do you still believe that?
I personally don't. I believe DH goes far beyond his will and that he does have / always had complete control of his $$. Just wondering if your thoughts have changed on this.
Not picking a fight, just curious. :icon_razz:
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But he was unimpressed with any lawyer who would make those kinds of mistakes. Horrified, really.
This lawyer probably still has some ethical understanding of his job. There's enough folks with $$$ in their eyes out there who would make those mistakes with a smile. If the media do write what payers / owners / investors want them to write, well, what's the difference? The plate on the door? Not only the judges in CA are on a payroll.
I think it could be a matter of reversal, going back in time, turning back time by declaring something like
"the will was not a will was not a real will but a letter of intent, you know an 'illusion' - pooffff"
TIME effect:
frail & sick & druggie --> death --> will --> “freedom under certainty” |
v
strong & well & healthy <-- alive <-- contesting will <-- “limitations under control”
with the meaning of "always have been" or "it was like this already 4 years ago, you only grew a beard now".
So everybody can dance around 2009 again and forget we are 4 years later.
Repeat of "time stood still" under new eyes and focus - and with a beard, grey hairs and feeling so old compared...
Quite entertaining time warp.
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Thanks for posting that video 2good. What I've always loved about that clip is MJ gets away with confirming nothing, really. None of his answers can really be held against him, he makes sure to answer nothing with any certainty whatsoever. Very clever.
Agree with you Andrea.
In this video Michael is really greatest..as always however... :bearhug: Is not easy to talk about himself in front of the cameras and Michael never liked this. I love his voice !! :bearhug:
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@ellyd. Interesting post.
Looking forward to reading more from you. Also welcome to the forum. I was missing aug / sep, so wasn't able to welcome you back then.
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I think I know what could be going on here........
The testator MUST be of sound mind and not under the influence of any mind altering drugs, and was not forced to sign the will...
Could it be that the reason MJ leaked alot of information that suggests he is or was a drug addict make a difference..( I know it;s not true)
For the hoax sake, there is more evidence to suggest that Michael was under the influence of pescription medication at the time the will was signed, and therefore would make the will invalid???
Where you impaired while signing these two documents???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNBHaMCHstM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNBHaMCHstM[/youtube]
glad you brought this up. something has been bothering me about the speech. remember michael says he is really really tired of all the manipulation. do you also remember about the tape wanting someone to move money and he says something like it is 4 in the morning and he is really tired. deiter ( so torn cause i just don't like this guy) says that this term is what michael used to let him know that he was taking something or something to that effect. don't know if their is any connection at all but it just keeps bugging me.
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Talked to a lawyer today who works on probate cases, wills, etc. Asked him what happens if hypothetically, the names are wrong on a will. He said wrong? Like a misspelling? I said no, wrong like the wrong name of the deceased, wrong name of the heirs. He said, screwing up the names? What lawyer would get THAT wrong?
Har har.
Bottom line, if you can prove that went it was drawn up, it was just a mistake, and they "meant" the right names, the lawyer just screwed them up, it would probably be ok.
But he was unimpressed with any lawyer who would make those kinds of mistakes. Horrified, really.
In addition to that you'd think that MJ would hire THE BEST estate lawyer that his ridiculous amount of money could buy.
I just don't get ppl knowing how powerful and rich MJ is, ESP his fans, believe that such a serious matter as a Will would be so poorly handled. This is an absolute indication that it's all hog wash.
Do people really think he (his lawyers) would be so nonchalant about te details of it all....
Open your eyes peeps!