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Title: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: Cyanmoon on August 09, 2012, 07:39:29 PM
Debbie Rowe to Judge:
I Support Joint
Guardianship of MJ's Kids
(http://www.tmz.com/2012/08/09/debbie-rowe-michael-jackson-guardianship-children-tj-katherine/)8/9/2012 4:55 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

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Debbie Rowe -- the woman who gave birth to two of Michael Jackson's children -- has filed legal papers saying she SUPPORTS the new joint guardianship arrangement ... but is warning TJ and Katherine that she WILL intervene if things don't work out.

Rowe filed the documents in L.A. County Superior Court today ... saying she has reviewed the co-guardianship application and signed off on the deal reached between TJ and Katherine to share parenting responsibilities for Paris, Blanket and Prince.

But in the docs, Debbie warns ... "Should the arrangement sought by TJ Jackson and Katherine Jackson become untenable, unstable, unsafe, or in any way contrary to the best interests of the children, Ms. Rowe will seek court intervention."

Rowe claims her concern is for the health, safety and well-being of HER children; and says she will continue to ensure their needs are met.

Remember, when TJ first petitioned for guardianship, the judge said that Debbie must be notified.

Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: MaryK on August 09, 2012, 07:47:25 PM
I thought she stepped down from her custody and assigned the right for sole custody to Michael?

Why then:

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when TJ first petitioned for guardianship, the judge said that Debbie must be notified

Does anyone know?
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: paula-c on August 09, 2012, 08:28:20 PM
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I thought she stepped down from her custody and assigned the right for sole custody to Michael?

Why then:

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when TJ first petitioned for guardianship, the judge said that Debbie must be notified

Does anyone know?




That is what I believe, I don't understand that comment, and if it is true that a judge said
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: guestfortheday on August 09, 2012, 08:38:27 PM
She is biological mother after all despite what happened then. That gives her rights.
Debbie loved MJ so much, that she agreed to leave kids with MJ sole custody to make him happy not because she did not want or loved them.
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: Love4Michael on August 09, 2012, 08:44:13 PM
I think I read somewhere that even if a parent relinquished custody (as long as there is a biological connection) they could step up and challenge...especially if the status of the children has changed.  I'm thinking the judge in this case was just looking to streamline and/or bypass that prospect by having her notified and requesting that she sign off.
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: Thémis on August 09, 2012, 08:59:45 PM


The fact Debbie Rowe is the biological mother of Prince and Paris, she has rights, even she resigned in the past, I am sure the law can be give her, her rights as a biological mother, if she want?  But concerning Blanket, it's TJ and his grandmother Katherine.  We will see...

Thémis
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: suspicious mind on August 09, 2012, 09:30:08 PM
with all the unknowns in this whole affair , she and michael may have even made their own arrangements to deal with the aspect of his not being around.
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: Dontwalkaway on August 09, 2012, 11:07:21 PM
There may be no biological connection at all.  MJ said she was the surrogate mother.  Usually a surrogate just carries the baby for the biological mother for whatever reason they have.  The eggs from the biological mother are used.  In the article it says "gave birth" so this could be a surrogate.  The biological mother may not want to be known.  But, I guess it's none of our business so I'll leave it at that.  It's up to them if they want to say.
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: SimPattyK on August 10, 2012, 01:49:03 AM
Oohh WoW !! Now this is getting more and more INTERESTING!!  :woohoo2:
Maybe now we will finally learn WHO is the real mother of the kids   :icon_e_wink:  :icon_bounce:




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There may be no biological connection at all.  MJ said she was the surrogate mother.  Usually a surrogate just carries the baby for the biological mother for whatever reason they have.  The eggs from the biological mother are used.  In the article it says "gave birth" so this could be a surrogate.  The biological mother may not want to be known.  But, I guess it's none of our business so I'll leave it at that.  It's up to them if they want to say.
^ These are exactly my thoughts!!  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: MissG on August 10, 2012, 02:08:01 AM
Paris looks like her mother, Debbie. Nothing else to find out.
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: SimPattyK on August 10, 2012, 02:31:47 AM
Quote from: TMZ
Debbie Rowe -- the woman who gave birth to two of Michael Jackson's children -- has filed legal papers saying she SUPPORTS the new joint guardianship arrangement ...

And what about the woman who gave birth to Blanket? Doesn't she have to "file legal papers and sign the arrangement" between TJ and Katherine Jackson??

Doesn't it seem odd to you that Blanket is left out of all the "legal discussions" as if he didn't even exist?  :icon_albino:

If the surrogate mother of Prince and Paris had to sign for that arrangement to be legal, why didn't the surrogate mother of Blanket sign that too?


Quote from: TMZ
[...]Rowe claims her concern is for the health, safety and well-being of HER children; and says she will continue to ensure their needs are met.[...]
Did you see that ^^ ?? TMZ clearly stressed on "HER children" !  :icon_e_wink:
What about the safety and well being of Blanket? Who looks after him?  :icon_albino: :icon_e_biggrin:
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: RememberHisTime on August 10, 2012, 03:03:42 AM
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There may be no biological connection at all.  MJ said she was the surrogate mother.  Usually a surrogate just carries the baby for the biological mother for whatever reason they have.  The eggs from the biological mother are used.  In the article it says "gave birth" so this could be a surrogate.  The biological mother may not want to be known.  But, I guess it's none of our business so I'll leave it at that.  It's up to them if they want to say.

I agree, it's really none of our business. But, if Debbie were just the surrogate mother, then why would she be going to these lengths to protect children that she only carried and gave birth to? Maybe surrogate mothers have a bigger connection to the children they carry than I give them credit for. What do I know? Another way to look at it is, Do surrogate mothers even have any rights toward the children they carried? I tend to think not.

My feeling is that she is Prince and Paris's biological mother. Every time I see a photo of Paris I am stunned at how much she looks like her mother AND father.

I do feel bad for Blanket though. From the article, it sounds as though Debbie has no power to protect him.
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: SimPattyK on August 10, 2012, 03:35:59 AM
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[...]But in the docs, Debbie warns ... "Should the arrangement sought by TJ Jackson and Katherine Jackson become untenable, unstable, unsafe, or in any way contrary to the best interests of the children, Ms. Rowe will seek court intervention."[...]
Just as I doubt that the Jackson family Feud is for real, I doubt everything that is written in this TMZ article  :icon_albino: and I also doubt that Debbie is in the position of issuing WARNINGS on a legal basis! especially taking into account the information quoted below (unless anybody knows anything else about the current status of Debbie's legal rights over the 2 children!)



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[...]Divorce
After Paris' birth, Rowe couldn't bear Jackson any more children. The couple's relationship became strained, and Rowe filed for divorce six months later. In 1999, she accepted a settlement of more than $6 million as well as ownership of the couples' Beverly Hills mansion. In return, Rowe gave up her custodial rights to the children, and agreed to one visit every 45 days.    Two years later, she applied to the court to terminate her parental rights completely, claiming it was in the childrens' best interest.   During this time, Rowe studied at an online university to earn degrees in criminal law and psychology.

In 2005, when Jackson was accused of molesting a young boy, Rowe told the court he was a loving and caring father. During the case she revealed that she had not seen Jackson or her children for several years, which discredited her testimony. Jackson was later acquitted on all counts.

Attempt to Restore Parental Rights
In 2006, Rowe took Jackson back to court in order to have her parental rights restored. During the case she also complained that Jackson had stopped paying her. The case was settled out of court. Rowe sold the house shortly after and moved to Palmdale, California, to raise and breed horses. She stayed out of the public eye until June 25, 2009, when her ex-husband died of mysterious causes. In Jackson's will, he named his mother, Katherine, as guardian of his and Rowe's two eldest children. Media reports say that Rowe may contest the decision, although she currently remains silent on the issue.

SOURCE: http://www.biography.com/people/debbie-rowe-467216
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: 2good2btrue on August 10, 2012, 04:37:15 AM
Early Life of Debbie Rowe...

 Born Deborah Jeanne Rowe on December 6, 1958. The adopted daughter of a millionaire couple from Malibu, California, Debbie Rowe had a lonely childhood. She was 30 before she had her first serious relationship, and the break-up hit her very hard. Rowe was still recovering from the split, and working as a nurse at a dermatologist's office in Los Angeles, when she met pop star Michael Jackson. Jackson had been diagnosed with vitiligo in the mid-1980s, and was a frequent patient at the office.



Celebrity Web site TMZ.com reports today that Rowe is not the biological mother of the two kids she bore claims she for Jackson.

"Niether Jackson or Rowe ever admitted to the kids’ true lineage, although she confessed in 2002 that she carried the children as a personal favor.
Following Jackson’s death on Thursday, Rowe told London’s News of the World that The Gloved One was not the children’s biological father.
She declined to reveal who was.
Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr.—also known as “Prince”—is now 11.
His daughter, Paris Michael Katherine Jackson, is 10.
The mother of Jackson’s third child, Prince Michael II, remains a mystery."

http://www.vosizneias.com/34306/2009/06/30/los-angeles-ca-the-mystry-michael-jakcsons-kids-are-they-jewish/

Michael Jackson's children may be Jewish
By Jessica Elgot, June 29, 2009
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Michael Jackson's two elder children could be returned to the custody of their Jewish mother, Debbie Rowe.
The children are Prince Michael I, who is 12, and Paris Michael Katherine, 11, who — according to halacha — would also be considered Jewish.
Jackson’s youngest child, Prince Michael II, had a surrogate mother , whose identity is not known.
When Rowe's Jewish identity first came to light, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, a close friend of Jackson, expressed his astonishment.
"It seems incredible to me that Michael Jackson would not have told me that Prince and Paris are Jewish, unless he did not know," Rabbi Boteach said. "It's possible that Michael never knew that Debbie Rowe is Jewish. I don't know that she is a committed Jew.
But since the children are Jewish, they should be raised Jewish." Jackson married Rowe, his former dermatologist 's nurse, in 1996, after his divorce from Lisa-Marie Presley. They divorced three years later and Rowe signed a contract waiving her parental rights after accepting a £2.4million pay-off.
But she later contested the contract, among other arguments expressing her fears that the children were being exposed to the teachings of the Nation of Islam through their nanny and Jackson’s siblings.
The Nation of Islam is considered by some Jewish leaders to be antisemitic. Under Californian law Rowe would be likely to regain custody, even if Jackson had designated another guardian in his will.
Iris Finesilver, Rowe's lawyer, who has previously confirmed that her client was Jewish, said she was certain Rowe would seek custody of the two children.

http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/michael-jacksons-children-may-be-jewish


According to these tabloids, Debbie is afraid of the NOI surrounding her children, whom are Jewish ...
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: MaryK on August 10, 2012, 05:02:54 AM
Speaking of Blanket....

I really don´t want to start a new topic for this.....

 :LolLolLolLol:

http://rumorfix.com/2012/08/exclusive-another-jackson-tries-to-get-custody-of-blanket/ (http://rumorfix.com/2012/08/exclusive-another-jackson-tries-to-get-custody-of-blanket/)
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: 2good2btrue on August 10, 2012, 05:22:39 AM
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Speaking of Blanket....

I really don´t want to start a new topic for this.....

 :LolLolLolLol:

http://rumorfix.com/2012/08/exclusive-another-jackson-tries-to-get-custody-of-blanket/ (http://rumorfix.com/2012/08/exclusive-another-jackson-tries-to-get-custody-of-blanket/)

Here we go again...another crazy lawsuit against those poor kids...

Billie Jean.....the kid is not your son !!!! 
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: diggyon on August 10, 2012, 05:25:22 AM
 :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121:
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: blankie on August 10, 2012, 06:00:14 AM
 ??? Now  also Debbie Rowe too....

Every characters in this story is coming out to speak for himself.... it's all very strange   :icon_e_surprised: very strange.... :icon_mrgreen:....is...a soap opera ... :icon_e_wink: :moonwalk_: :icon_rolleyes:....every day a news....

Prince, Paris and Blanket must stay with their grandmother, so Michael decided and even if he  must stay hidden,  will not allow anything different from his decisions.. :michael-jackson: :icon_e_wink:

Is a film.... :michael-jackson: :animal0017:
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: SimPattyK on August 10, 2012, 06:27:29 AM
 :) Hee :) Hee :)

:moonwalk_: :moonwalk_: :moonwalk_: :moonwalk_: :moonwalk_: :moonwalk_: :moonwalk_:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU2kSfcHaBI[/youtube]

 :moonwalk_: :moonwalk_: :moonwalk_: :moonwalk_: :moonwalk_: :moonwalk_: :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: eternalflame on August 10, 2012, 07:39:14 AM
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Speaking of Blanket....

I really don´t want to start a new topic for this.....

 :LolLolLolLol:

http://rumorfix.com/2012/08/exclusive-another-jackson-tries-to-get-custody-of-blanket/ (http://rumorfix.com/2012/08/exclusive-another-jackson-tries-to-get-custody-of-blanket/)

Is that right, the one who has custody for the kids, has the custody for the money as well? If yes, that would explain a lot.
Poor kids. I think they will fall down on their knees and send a prayer the day they are 18 at last.
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: Thémis on August 10, 2012, 08:42:21 AM
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Paris looks like her mother, Debbie. Nothing else to find out.

I agree..

Thémis
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: Thémis on August 10, 2012, 08:47:33 AM
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Speaking of Blanket....

I really don´t want to start a new topic for this.....

 :LolLolLolLol:

http://rumorfix.com/2012/08/exclusive-another-jackson-tries-to-get-custody-of-blanket/ (http://rumorfix.com/2012/08/exclusive-another-jackson-tries-to-get-custody-of-blanket/)

Here we go again...another crazy lawsuit against those poor kids...

Billie Jean.....the kid is not your son !!!!

Lol it's right, Biliie Jean is not your son...LOL

Thémis
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: Thémis on August 10, 2012, 08:52:01 AM
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with all the unknowns in this whole affair , she and michael may have even made their own arrangements to deal with the aspect of his not being around.

May be you are right, personally I think even she has rights over the children, she will stay out of this custody affair, because she and Michael had and have agreements, and she respect them, because she had promess him, she let him the children as a gift...
Thémis
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: suspicious mind on August 10, 2012, 10:07:25 AM
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There may be no biological connection at all.  MJ said she was the surrogate mother.  Usually a surrogate just carries the baby for the biological mother for whatever reason they have.  The eggs from the biological mother are used.  In the article it says "gave birth" so this could be a surrogate.  The biological mother may not want to be known.  But, I guess it's none of our business   so I'll leave it at that.  It's up to them if they want to say.

umm didn't michael make a statement at one point that his children were our( our meaning fans at the time ) children?  :icon_e_wink: :icon_e_biggrin:
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: StrangerInCalifornia on August 10, 2012, 10:33:32 AM
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There may be no biological connection at all.  MJ said she was the surrogate mother.  Usually a surrogate just carries the baby for the biological mother for whatever reason they have.  The eggs from the biological mother are used.  In the article it says "gave birth" so this could be a surrogate.  The biological mother may not want to be known.  But, I guess it's none of our business so I'll leave it at that.  It's up to them if they want to say.
When did he say that? I don't recall him ever saying that. I was always under the impression that Debbie was their biological mother despite whatever other claims the media made, especially since Paris looks just like her.
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: suspicious mind on August 10, 2012, 10:38:21 AM
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There may be no biological connection at all.  MJ said she was the surrogate mother.  Usually a surrogate just carries the baby for the biological mother for whatever reason they have.  The eggs from the biological mother are used.  In the article it says "gave birth" so this could be a surrogate.  The biological mother may not want to be known.  But, I guess it's none of our business so I'll leave it at that.  It's up to them if they want to say.
When did he say that? I don't recall him ever saying that. I was always under the impression that Debbie was their biological mother despite whatever other claims the media made, especially since Paris looks just like her.
yes could you show us please. :icon_e_biggrin: seems like he said that about blanket , not the other two.
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: MissG on August 10, 2012, 11:12:04 AM
Who remembers that one that said that she was the mother of the 3 kids and wanted her rights as a mother and the kids with her? She talked about some kind of weird insemination, kind of cosmic (one could say comic...) she was a nutty.

Can´t find the video on youtube, as usual  :icon_evil:
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: QUEEN on August 10, 2012, 11:52:54 AM
(http://walyou.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/mj-thriller-1.jpg)



Something just isn't right here that woman also did it for money her having any say gets next to me really.


QUEEN
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: SimPattyK on August 10, 2012, 05:58:59 PM
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Speaking of Blanket....

I really don´t want to start a new topic for this.....

 :LolLolLolLol:

http://rumorfix.com/2012/08/exclusive-another-jackson-tries-to-get-custody-of-blanket/ (http://rumorfix.com/2012/08/exclusive-another-jackson-tries-to-get-custody-of-blanket/)

Here we go again...another crazy lawsuit against those poor kids...

Billie Jean.....the kid is not your son !!!!


MJ Official FB page posted this aprox. 2 hours after MaryK's post ---> https://www.facebook.com/michaeljackson

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/billiejean.jpg)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8PEO72wynSM#![/youtube]
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on August 10, 2012, 06:05:10 PM
Paris Jacksoη ‏@ParisJackson
why is my MJ Experience app taking forever to download

http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/home
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: MaryK on August 10, 2012, 06:06:30 PM
Right Sim!

And then Paris on Twitter some hours ago:

Paris Jacksoη ‏@ParisJackson

why is my MJ Experience app taking forever to download

Paris Jacksoη ‏@ParisJackson

my app finally loaded and it's the hardest frickin game ive ever played omfg -.-

Sweetsunset...was just about to post  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: SimPattyK on August 10, 2012, 06:06:47 PM
In fact, what the COOLest thing is that after the BILLIE JEAN advert, MJ-FB page posted the RABBIT from "Speed Demon" ---> https://www.facebook.com/michaeljackson
So here we go a hoax-symbol , next to a subject we've been discussing earlier today on this forum  :icon_e_biggrin: :icon_albino:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/billievwv.jpg)
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on August 10, 2012, 06:07:40 PM
@Mary..... grrrrr :icon_evil:
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: SimPattyK on August 10, 2012, 06:13:30 PM
@sweetsunsetwithMJ & @MaryK: yep! Paris clearly wanted to draw our attention on that advert by twitting those things...


Hello Paris & Michael ! message is received in HOAXland!  :icon_albino: loll  :)
 :bearhug:  :bearhug:
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: marumjj on August 10, 2012, 07:27:39 PM
While Debbie Rowe waive the rights of children, I guess it legally correct for communicating changes in guardianship and biological mother that she is personally never heard MJ say that Debbie was surrogate mother. Regarding Blanket, your birth mother says unknown end of the matter. Sorry Billie Jean   :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: Dontwalkaway on August 10, 2012, 09:23:01 PM
I guess this is where I got the idea from.  In so many words it seems like he is saying that he used surrogates.  Go to the end of the video, around 7:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G50pSFPqlww



Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on August 11, 2012, 04:51:17 AM
Paris has definitely the color of her eyes after her grandfather...
(http://img1.brigitte.de/asset/Image/kultur/leute/michael-jackson/joseph-jackson.jpg)
Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: diggyon on August 11, 2012, 05:57:59 AM
Dontwalkaway

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But, I guess it's none of our business so I'll leave it at that.  It's up to them if they want to say.

Very well said.

End of story!

Title: Re: Debbie Rowe to Judge: I Support Joint Guardianship of MJ's Kids
Post by: SimPattyK on August 11, 2012, 06:15:01 AM
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Dontwalkaway
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But, I guess it's none of our business so I'll leave it at that.  It's up to them if they want to say.
Very well said.
End of story!

I also think that people shouldn't stick their noses into celebs private lives and their families, like the media always do.

But in this case, if TMZ (  :icon_exclaim: ) came up with this article now and in relation to the Jackson family Feud (custody of kids, etc...), which we know is part of the hoax, then I think this is not something that we should ignore!! Our attention is clearly drawn on this subject and for a reason! I for one, would like to know what that reason is! Especially after both MJ-official FB page and Paris gave us signs yesterday related to this subject...
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