Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Persons Of Interest => Everyone Else => Tohme Tohme => Topic started by: RK on October 04, 2012, 11:01:09 AM
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MJJJustice Project just posted this on twitter. I couldn't find the original post from Roger Friedman on the forum. If it's here, let me know and I'll put this twitterlonger with it.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/jha5ot (http://www.twitlonger.com/show/jha5ot)
Tohme Tohme - Forbes 2/17/12
Tohme, the estate says in a complaint filed by attorney Howard Weitzman, ran amok during his short term between January 2008 and March 2009. It was Tohme, working for Thomas Barrack‘s Colony Capital, who pulled off the sale of Neverland to Colony. But according to the complaint, Jackson never understood that Tohme was also going to receive a finder’s fee for doing work for his own employer. Jackson had no lawyer representing him in his many signed agreements with Tohme, and so didn’t understand that when Colony came up with $24 million to bail out Neverland, Tohme would get $2.4 million.
Tohme, the complaint further reads, got Jackson to sign an agreement paying him $35,000 a month. He was also to receive 15% of all gross compensation Jackson received for anything he did in the entertainment field. Jackson signed not one but two Power of Attorney documents giving Tohme “extraordinary” powers. He also gave himself a $100,000 per month producers fee for the run of Jackson’s London concert dates–from July 2009 through at least March 2010. All of this Jackson signed without a lawyer, and despite numerous stories (many written by yours truly) about Tohme’s many assertions about his credentials being false.
It was during Tohme’s regime, for example, that the contents of Neverland were emptied and consigned to an auction house in Beverly Hills. The auction didn’t proceed when Jackson finally got a grip, and a lawyer, stopped the auction. Tohme then took back the contents and warehoused them. When Jackson died, the estate had to negotiate with him to get back the property. Out of luck was Julien’s Auction House, which published a now collectible catalog of everything that had been in Neverland.
“Tohme took possession and control of money and property that belonged to Jackson.Tomhe did not return to Jackson and refuses to deliver to the executors all of the property and cash belonging to Jackson that Tohme took possession and control of.”
On a side note, Tohme used to claim he was a doctor from Lebanon. But he could never prove to me that he was a doctor and when I questioned him about it in 2008, he told me wasn’t practicing. He did say he was Ambassador at Large to Senegal, but their Embassies denied it.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogerfriedman/2012/02/17/michael-jackson-executors-finally-sue-singers-final-manager/
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They are also claiming the Estate wants to get it's hands on the 900 million dollar MJ art collection that Thome supposedly used his aquired power of attorney to give away to Brett Livingstone Strong.
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I realize I'm assuming here but MJ is way too smart to let any of that happen - no lawyers, willy-nilly signing off on things. Unless the no lawyer thing was deliberate.
Tohme was hired to do a job and if he was paid a lot of money, I imagine it was/is quite a big job.
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Here is Rogers rehash of his original interview with Dr Thome.
http://www.showbiz411.com/2012/07/19/flashback-2009-michael-jackson-manager-tohme-tohme-said-star-could-do-100-shows (http://www.showbiz411.com/2012/07/19/flashback-2009-michael-jackson-manager-tohme-tohme-said-star-could-do-100-shows)
I wrote the story below in March 2009. Today, the godawful Hollywood Reporter has taken some of this info, wrapped up with some other stuff that is all wrong, and delivered a mess about Michael Jackson. Just to set the record straight: I interviewed Tohme Tohme, Michael’s short time manager. I personally and exclusively ascertained that he wasn’t a doctor and wasn’t a special envoy to Senegal, as he claimed. Shortly after this ran, Tohme was fired. He was replaced by Michael’s earlier and most successful manager Frank DiLeo, whom Michael trusted more than anyone. Tohme is now being sued by the Jackson estate. The Hollywood Reporter article is mostly fakakta. Anyway, in effort to un-rewrite history, here goes:
For about a year, since right before the chaos involving his Neverland Ranch possibly being sold at auction, Michael Jackson has had a mysterious new manager.
The man known as Tohme (pronounced toe-may) called himself a doctor. Different sources said he referred to himself either as an orthopedist or orthopedic surgeon. But there was a discrepancy: who was this man, the latest in a long line of managers who seemed to Svengali the pop star?
Yesterday, after many efforts, I finally pinned the 59-year-old Tohme down. A little. He conceded that he is not a licensed physician. “Not at this time,” he said. He refused, after repeated attempts, to say what kind of doctor he might have been at any time. His associates declined as well.
“If you want to talk about Michael Jackson, fine,” he said. “The story isn’t about me.”
But the story is very much about Tohme, who has not only taken over Jackson’s life but has a certain conflict of interest: he acts as a consultant to Colony Capital LLC, the company now partnered with Jackson in ownership of Neverland. Colony bought Fortress Investment’s $23.5 million note on the ranch last year.
More recently, they changed the name of the property to Sycamore Valley Ranch and became partners in the deed with Jackson. A small fortune changed hands, giving Jackson a much needed cash infusion of several million dollars.
But the pop singer always needs more money — he’s like a vampire when it comes to funds. So Tohme restarted talks with AEG Live begun in 2007 about Jackson performing at the O2 Arena in London. Now a staggering 35 dates have been set beginning July 8th. Another 15 are likely. Jackson hasn’t performed live in a full show since September 10, 2001.
Adding to this, Tohme is also responsible for the coming auction of Jackson’s personal memorabilia. He set up the auction with Julien’s Auction House last fall. Contracts were signed. Now Jackson is suing Julien’s, saying he didn’t know what was going on. Julien has catalogs printed, and is going forward. So far, Jackson’s attorney has not filed for a court order to stop the auction.
Sources around Jackson don’t have a high opinion of Tohme. They worry that he’s just the latest person who’s come into Jackson’s life with a personal agenda.
But Thomas Barrack, head of Colony Capital, says Tohme’s a “great guy,” someone’s he known a long time “in the business world, around L.A.” When I asked him how Tohme knew Jackson, Barrack answered: “You’ll have to ask him.” He did say it was Tohme who introduced him to Jackson.
Tohme is fuzzy on this point. “I knew him a long time,” he said of Jackson. At first he said he knew Jackson’s family, then he backtracked and said his relationship was with Michael. We never really figured that one out.
“I love Michael,” Tohme said. “I want what’s best for him. When the problems with Neverland came, I was approached to see if I could help. I knew him for twenty to thirty years.”
Tohme told me he set up the AEG Live deal, even though he was clearly not around in 2007 when I first reported the story. I asked him if he set up the auction. “I did not set up the auction, the auction is not going through!” This is in direct contrast to my conversation with auctioneer Darrell Julien last winter, who sang Tohme’s praises as the pair worked to put it all together.
“We had a certain period of time to empty Neverland last year,” Tohme said. “I was looking for a place for storage, a place to dump a lot of stuff like cars. I called Julien’s and asked if they could do it, come pick it up.” He says an auction could only go through with Jackson’s approval.
Last week, Darrell Julien told this column: “Michael has plenty of storage facilities. He wouldn’t have called me for storage.” True enough: Jackson at different times has had airport hangers at Santa Monica airport filled with his belongings. He’s also had warehouses closer to home near Neverland.
So what about Tohme Tohme, who’s not a doctor? There were a lot of questions I couldn’t ask him because he kept yelling, and refused to answer. I never got to ask him about a 1996 bankruptcy filing on record in the state of California. In the court filing, vs. Marathon National Bank, he listed himself as “Tohme Tohme, Doctor.”
A search of the Lexis Nexis database shows no mention of “Tohme Tohme,” doctor or otherwise, prior to December 22, 2008 when he issued a statement about Jackson’s health.
He was charming in our conversation. He said, “If you play it right, you will be the first one to know everything about Michael Jackson.” I said, thanks, I already was. He said that Michael is in great shape and could easily do 50 shows. “He could do a hundred.”
also read: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/03/24/claim-jackos-rep-threatened-harm-nation-islam/
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I realize I'm assuming here but MJ is way too smart to let any of that happen - no lawyers, willy-nilly signing off on things. Unless the no lawyer thing was deliberate.
Tohme was hired to do a job and if he was paid a lot of money, I imagine it was/is quite a big job.
I absolutely agree MJ is way smarter than this and he's business savy. Anything I come across about the mysterious Dr Thome, I read because information about him is so elusive. Also intriguing in this hoax saga is the pitting against each other of the two 'bad' boys of Weitzman and the Estate vs mean Dr Thome. It's all interesting...I just wish I could work out who is really BAD......
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There could be a reason why Tohme is so elusive and why we never see him...
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I know I'm rehashing a lot of Thome stories from '09 here, but his rep as a thug was instated at the beginning of this journey. Who could ever forget this article where Thome threatens Juliens with bloodshed from the NOI. On another bizare note....this story has gentle MJ as his accomplice in the threat. Like a pair of hollywood heavies.
Claim: Jacko's Rep Threatened Harm From Nation of Islam
It should be rockin’ at the Hard Rock Café in New York today where famed auctioneer Darren Julien is exhibiting items from the forthcoming Michael Jackson memorabilia sale.
Last week, Julien and his partner Martin Nolan entered affavadits into Los Angeles Superior Court claiming that an associate of Jackson’s suggested they were in danger from the Nation of Islam if they didn’t stop the auction scheduled for Los Angeles next month.
Jackson’s representative, James R. Weller, Julien says, met with him and Nolan on February 9, 2009 and threatened him with reciprocity from the Nation of Islam. For most of 2004, Jackson was managed by Leonard Muhammad, son in law of Louis Farrakhan. His security was provided by the NOI as well throughout his 2005 trial for child molestation.
Julien says that Weller, who is partners with Jackson’s manager Tohme R. Tohme in an enterprise called TRW Advertising, asked to meet them at a fast food restaurant on Wilshire Boulevard. There, Julien and Nolan each claim in sworn statements, Weller made a veiled threat on behalf of Jackson and Tohme.
"During the meeting, Weller told Martin and me that our lives would be in danger if we did not postpone the auction. Weller said if we refused to postpone it, we would be in danger from "Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam; those people are very protective of Michael."
Julien’s statement continues: "He told us that Dr. Tohme and Michael Jackson wanted to give the message to us that "our lives are at stake and there will be bloodshed."
The next day, Tohme insisted on meeting Julien and Nolan at a Starbucks, Julien says in the declaration. "At that meeting, Tohme dnied any knowledge of Weller’s threats, and said that he accepted the auction would need to proceed as agreed."
I wrote about this Tohme R. Tohme in this column last week. Although he refers to himself as "doctor" and lets others do so as well, he conceded to me that he is not now a licensed physician. He refused to say if he ever was one, what kind, or where he received a degree.
On the website for TRW Advertising, Tohme — who is Lebanese — asserts that he’s Ambassador at Large to the country of Senegal. Yesterday I spoke with a representative for that country at their Washington embassy who said he’d never heard of Tohme R. Tohme. "There are two ambassadors at large," said Mr. Mansour Gueye. "He isn’t one of them."
Weller, accused of making the threat, did not return messages. In contrast to Tohme, Weller is considered legit. On the TRW site he lists over twenty years of experience in the advertising world, much of it in Republican politics and verifiable. An associate says he’s known Weller for most of that time, and he’s on the up and up. Tohme is a different story.
Neverland in ‘Shambles’
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/03/24/claim-jackos-rep-threatened-harm-nation-islam/#ixzz28Lw0U7nL
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"Stake...bloodshed" ... OBVIOUSLY MJ was being chased by vampires and Tohme was helping protect him.
Mystery solved.
(I'm joking)
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It's nearly 4 am here and I'm probably not thinking straight....but this line just struck me as could be the reason for the hoax being told to us before hand.
"He told us that Dr. Tohme and Michael Jackson wanted to give the message to us that "our lives are at stake and there will be bloodshed."
If you take the threat of TPTB and their agenda as part of the reason for the hoax...then this sounds like a message to all of us.
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It would be staggering if RM's gofers should write any true sentence in combination with "Jacko".
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ok so did i see this guy said in one of these statements that right after he wrote about it thome was fired and delio brought in? so why was thome announcing that jermaine was the only one to speak for the family. i have always had the nagging feeling that jermaines emotions were not of mourning at that announcement but anxiety. just sayin"
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What book author or movie writer could create this web? Reality intertwined with ARG.
It could be MJ paying Tohme just to move his things around--keep even the real bad guys/lawyers/media wondering, fearful--perhaps respecting this lookslike bad guy.
Chess...
Starbucks again...
Thanks RK.
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More I read Thome story - more its became clear that he IS hand-picked by MJ himself for one role or another on these game.
Michael knows!))
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Tohme, Tohme, Tohme...I really think he has a much bigger role then we think, good or bad, I don't know, but when a member asked TS if he could comment more on Tohme, he flat out said NO...the makes me wonder.
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Tohme, Tohme, Tohme...I really think he has a much bigger role then we think, good or bad, I don't know, but when a member asked TS if he could comment more on Tohme, he flat out said NO...the makes me wonder.
You know what? Why Michael has people around him named Dave Dave or Thome Thome? He is the only one that has friends that has the same first and last name!!!
For me, Thome, is just another character in this hoax, that was introduced early to make it more believable when the hoax would come, because... Think about it! It's crazy isn't it! He is in the same position as Dr. Conrad Murray! No one knows his life before a few years! Murray and Thome pretends to be doctor, but there are no things that proves us it's true. There is nothing, zero, nada on Murray on the net before 2009, and there is nothing in the past of Thome that clears us who he really his. There his nothinh on the net on Thome since he was introduced to us by him. Nothing! So either this man is a character of Michael and played by one of his friend (and himself also maybe like the other characters sach as the hatman or Dave Dave) (because, you know, just look at him, his face look plastic, and his accent is sooooo weird, like it would be acted in some kind of way, or exagerated), or he's the invincible man.
You remember when Larry King said that he would be invited to the show in december 2009? We never saw him! He's part of the plan! And may be a copy of the name of one character of PT Barnum again: General Thom Thumb! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Tom_Thumb
Why does he don't want to say how he met him, why all that mystery between him and Michael!!! This smells HOAX! Thome is as HOAX as the HOAX himself! Believe me!
He is a character in this hoax!
I have had no doubt since a long time! This is fishy! He was there to create controversies for this hoax!
Think about it! No one can prove what he really did in the past? Why didn't family, friends or co-workers never defended him when he said he was doctor, or the ambassador of Senegal! He does not exist, he is a character, and I won't change my mind about it!
Man, that hoax is HOOOOOOTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!
Chin chin to the master! And yes...... I am entertain!!! ;D
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Tohme, Tohme, Tohme...I really think he has a much bigger role then we think, good or bad, I don't know, but when a member asked TS if he could comment more on Tohme, he flat out said NO...the makes me wonder.
http://twitter.com/EcasanovaEvans/status/266990152222638080/photo/1
I wonder who is this Tohme Tohme? :icon_e_confused:
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I wonder who is this Tohme Tohme? :icon_e_confused:
El doble de Chiquito de la calzada :icon_lol:
Info about Tohme tohme here :icon_arrow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYf7Zy3hBAw
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Some thoughts.
Tohme Tohme
Dave Dave
Rhetorical figures
Alliteration - In language, alliteration is the repetition of a particular sound in the prominent lifts (or stressed syllables) of a series of words or phrases. T-M T-M o-e o-e D-v D-v a a
In rhetoric, an Anaphora (Greek: "carrying back") is a rhetorical device that consists of repeating a sequence of words at the beginnings of neighboring clauses, thereby lending them emphasis. -> C. Dickens, the Bible
In rhetoric, parallelism means giving two or more parts of the sentences a similar form so as to give the whole a definite pattern. -> the Bible
A name
A name is a word or term used for identification.
In Arthurian mythology, part of the code of honour and chivalry practiced by knights was that a knight who lost a duel must reveal his name to the victor.
Dave - David
-> the Bible
-> David and Goliath
[Goliath fell dead. David took Goliath's sword and beheaded him. The Philistines fled in terror. Saul inquired about the name of the young champion, and David told him that he was the son of Jesse]
T(h)o(h)me T(h)o(h)me - did this name ever get spelled right?
A tome is a large book, especially one volume of a multi-volume scholarly work.
Tomé is a Portuguese and Galician version of the name Thomas.
[Thomas the Apostle, also called Doubting Thomas or Didymus (meaning "Twin," as does "Thomas" in Aramaic") was one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus. He is best known for questioning Jesus' resurrection when first told of it, then proclaiming "My Lord and my God" on seeing Jesus in John 20:28. He was perhaps the only Apostle who went outside the Roman Empire to preach the Gospel. He is also believed to have crossed the largest area, which includes the Parthian Empire and India.[5]]
(all of the above to be found at http://en.wikipedia.org]
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I wonder who is this Tohme Tohme? :icon_e_confused:
El doble de Chiquito de la calzada :icon_lol:
Info about Tohme tohme here :icon_arrow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYf7Zy3hBAw
No puerrrr con mi vida!! me duele el estómago de reirme contigo jajaja!!
I mean I know who is him but I am not sure about his role in this hoax because we are sometimes thinking he is the bad guy and all of a sudden I found this pic where Michael and him seems to be so happy one next to the other :icon_e_confused: :icon_rolleyes:.
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El doble de Chiquito de la calzada :thjajaja121:
(http://www.elportaldeservicios.com/fotos/chiquito_de_la_calzada_elportaldeservicios.jpg)
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El doble de Chiquito de la calzada :thjajaja121:
(http://www.elportaldeservicios.com/fotos/chiquito_de_la_calzada_elportaldeservicios.jpg)
Me muero, ¿le conoces?
Sorry guys off topic, Chiquito de la Calzada is a spanish comic (I wasn't aware is know in Venezuela too) that resembles a lot Tohme Tohme as you can see.
@MissG and @Paula... maybe Chiquito is Tohme Tohme in disguise, thank you for the good laugh!! :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
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El doble de Chiquito de la calzada :thjajaja121:
(http://www.elportaldeservicios.com/fotos/chiquito_de_la_calzada_elportaldeservicios.jpg)
Me muero, ¿le conoces?
Sorry guys off topic, Chiquito de la Calzada is a spanish comic (I wasn't aware is know in Venezuela too) that resembles a lot Tohme Tohme as you can see.
@MissG and @Paula... maybe Chiquito is Tohme Tohme in disguise, thank you for the good laugh!! :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
MissG had mentioned before, I had seen in Antena 3 and on TVE but did not post attention until the mention of MissG.
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Ese "Maike" que llega y dice... "Dortorl, doctorl Murrailll"...vengo a que me reconozca y le dice el doctor "pues ahora no caigo pecadooorrrr".
I am not sure why Tohme has not been more interviewed or not more in the press.
In the video I posted before, he said that he was taking care of Michael´s business till new order. And seems that Michael did not like him a bit (he told June that).
I am not sure about his participation in the "hoax".
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Ese "Maike" que llega y dice... "Dortorl, doctorl Murrailll"...vengo a que me reconozca y le dice el doctor "pues ahora no caigo pecadooorrrr".
I am not sure why Tohme has not been more interviewed or not more in the press.
In the video I posted before, he said that he was taking care of Michael´s business till new order. And seems that Michael did not like him a bit (he told June that).
I am not sure about his participation in the "hoax".
I agree!
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Ese "Maike" que llega y dice... "Dortorl, doctorl Murrailll"...vengo a que me reconozca y le dice el doctor "pues ahora no caigo pecadooorrrr".
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And once again, that toward Tohme with Jermaine in the UCLA on June 25 and why accompanied the " corpse " until the helicopter?
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Ese "Maike" que llega y dice... "Dortorl, doctorl Murrailll"...vengo a que me reconozca y le dice el doctor "pues ahora no caigo pecadooorrrr".
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When I translated to English, it didn't make sense. :icon_e_sad: Maybe it's one of those not translatable expressions?
Some interesting discussion in this Forbes forum:
Jermaine Jackson says in his book, that he, Jermaine introduced Tohme to Michael. JJ was in a business venture with Tohme (Crystal City) in early 2008, which did not materialize. When Neverland was threatened with foreclosure later that year, Jermaine says he thought his new friend, Tohme, with his monied connections, might help Michael, and so JJ brought them together; from there, per Jermaine, came the introduction to Thomas Barrack.
http://www.forbes.com/ajax/comment/calledout/4/?contentUri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fzackomalleygreenburg%2F2012%2F10%2F24%2Fmichael-jacksons-personal-debts-to-be-paid-off-by-years-end%2F