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Title: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Adi on December 24, 2012, 03:08:20 AM
MICHAEL JACKSON'S
DRIVER'S LICENSE
Stone-Faced Stare


12/24/2012 1:00 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-2michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

TMZ has obtained the last driver's license photo Michael Jackson ever took--
a big change from the singer's cheery license photo from the 1980s.

The latest photo was taken in 2005 -- four years before the King of Pop's
untimely death -- and you can tell from the harrowing image ... MJ had become
a tortured soul.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

An image of MJ's 1980s driver's license was released by the FBI shortly after
Michael died  -- as part of the agency's massive file on the singer. The Bureau
compiled the dossier during its investigation into child sex allegations involving
the singer back in the 90s.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-2subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

As you can see, Michael was a much different person back then -- smiling
brightly for his photo at the DMV.

Of course, it's not like MJ ever put the license to much use -- he was pretty
much exclusively chauffeured around, especially in the later years of his life.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/24/michael-jackson-drivers-license/#ixzz2FxV42iDk
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Adi on December 24, 2012, 03:10:16 AM
 :icon_mrgreen:    :icon_bounce:

Michael JOE Jackson.....of course!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on December 24, 2012, 03:37:22 AM
This makes me sad! I really hope Michael is the same person he was in the 80s.. all smiles. But I understand what the media did to him...  :icon_pale:

I also noticed Joe Jackson! And "Dave Dave's" eyes from LKL  :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 24, 2012, 03:59:23 AM
I think Michael is happy. He doesn't seem like the person who gets effected easily by the media. Though the allegations did change a lot. I don't know how Michael could keep his real middle name a secret for so long.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Adi on December 24, 2012, 04:02:52 AM
It reminded me of Front's post talking about Michael being the driver of the hoax-coach and that Michael will get us all home safely 

:icon_cool: :icon_albino:

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MaryK on December 24, 2012, 04:06:07 AM
Michael JOE....sure   :icon_albino:

I also noticed the indication of weight in the license from 1980.

120...wasn´t it 136 in the autopsy report? So much for the "dramatic weight loss and bad shape before his death"  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Adi on December 24, 2012, 04:21:53 AM
The 2005 license date: 7/21/2005

lots of 7's there

7
21 = 777
25 =  2+5 =7
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Adi on December 24, 2012, 04:32:24 AM
For some reason I decided to go back ( lol)  and see if BACK posted anything around this date......6 days after this license photo was (apparently) issued (that is if it is legit) Back posted this:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/back/fuq.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 24, 2012, 04:32:24 AM
Kind of weird that they decide to show Michael's license right around the time everyone is predicting the BAM. That's very weird. Not saying there should be something to get out of that, just thought I'd bring it up.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Adi on December 24, 2012, 04:43:57 AM
Speaking of the BAM, this is a stretch, I know, but it's Christmas Eve and I am relaxing & having a bit of fun tonight whilst cooking, having a glass of nice wine and wrapping pressies.......anyone notice this in the article (scroll down):

 :icon_e_wink:

MICHAEL JACKSON'S
DRIVER'S LICENSE
Stone-Faced Stare


12/24/2012 1:00 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-2michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

TMZ has obtained the last driver's license photo Michael Jackson ever took--
a big change from the singer's cheery license photo from the 1980s.

The latest photo was taken in 2005 -- four years before the King of Pop's
untimely death -- and you can tell from the harrowing image ... MJ had become
a tortured soul.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

An image of MJ's 1980s driver's license was released by the FBI shortly after
Michael died  -- as part of the agency's massive file on the singer. The Bureau
compiled the dossier during its investigation into child sex allegations involving
the singer back in the 90s.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-2subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

As you can see, Michael was a much different person back then -- smiling
brightly for his photo at the DMV.

Of course, it's not like MJ ever put the license to much use -- he was pretty
much exclusively chauffeured around, especially in the later years of his life.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/24/michael-jackson-drivers-license/#ixzz2FxV42iDk
[/quote]
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 24, 2012, 04:47:43 AM
Read it, what am I suppose to be noticing :icon_question:?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MJonmind on December 24, 2012, 05:33:37 AM
Adi, good thinking. I sure hope Back's rants gave him (MJ) some well-deserved relief from the hellish scenes he was enduring. Interesting he didn't list Levin there.

Re the 2005 licence pic, in my experience for quite some time now, they do not want you to smile in any official document pics, such as licence and passports.
And I think MJ looks just fine there, his gorgeous handsome self--the pic is just grainy poor quality that's all.  "Stone-faced stare", is just feeding into the lying media MJ druggie theme.

And Harvey, you're not in best shape here.  And let's see your license?

(http://cdn.tweetwood.com/images/celeb/360/98/lhq5q/HarveyLevinTMZ-ffcn-570x.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: danismjking on December 24, 2012, 06:07:12 AM

AND I SAY.... BRIGHTLY AS MICHAEL...?--------->B A M ?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 24, 2012, 07:44:46 AM
This article was definitely to emphasize Michael JOE Jackson...

Adi...these words "Brightly" , "As" and "Michael" don't start the paragraph...how did you choose them?


and also "MJ had become a tortured soul" ...

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: danismjking on December 24, 2012, 07:50:07 AM
7/21/2005 = 7, 21 (21.12.12), 25(CHRISTMAS?)

ALSO I CAN READ LIKE ''BAM'' ''OBAMA'' = 4 YEARS IS NOW ?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ellyd on December 24, 2012, 08:04:36 AM
Bogus.

This is a real driver's license from 2005:
(https://www.julienslive.com/images/lot/63219/0/lot63219.jpg)

Quote
California
   
Policy: “A license shall bear a full face engraved picture or photograph of the licensee…. The DMV in the state
of California wants to be sensitive to the needs of all applicants and does allow headgear to be worn because of
religious beliefs provided it does not obscure the applicant’s facial features. However, it may be necessary to
ask the licensee to push back the headgear to eliminate dark shadows on his/her face. 

No written statement from the applicant is necessary regarding the wearing of the headgear.
The applicant’s verbal statement is sufficient.”
 
Source: California Vehicle Code, Sections 12800-5 and 13005. 
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/LWVJ.pdf (http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/LWVJ.pdf)

The message is not about the license. We know who the driver is. Merry Christmas, MJ!

Add:
Everybody here, may you have a blessed Christmas season and don't feel disappointed not matter what happens.
Enjoy your time, family & friends and a brand new start every day.  :icon_e_biggrin:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Andrea on December 24, 2012, 08:16:59 AM


Michael JOE, FBI, driver's (seat) license...love it! Thanks MJ.


MJonmind:
Quote
Re the 2005 licence pic, in my experience for quite some time now, they do not want you to smile in any official document pics, such as licence and passports.

Ya exactly, it's been years since I've been able to smile for an official photo...I was literally told NOT to smile the last time I had my driver's photo taken.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Adi on December 24, 2012, 08:37:04 AM
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This article was definitely to emphasize Michael JOE Jackson...

Adi...these words "Brightly" , "As" and "Michael" don't start the paragraph...how did you choose them?


and also "MJ had become a tortured soul" ...

...no they don't start paragraphs - but on the original story posted on TMZ those words do start lines within the story....go check it out on the TMZ main home page.

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: julia142 on December 24, 2012, 09:32:47 AM
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MICHAEL JACKSON'S
DRIVER'S LICENSE
Stone-Faced Stare


12/24/2012 1:00 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-2michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

TMZ has obtained the last driver's license photo Michael Jackson ever took--
a big change from the singer's cheery license photo from the 1980s.

The latest photo was taken in 2005 -- four years before the King of Pop's
untimely death -- and you can tell from the harrowing image ... MJ had become
a tortured soul.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

An image of MJ's 1980s driver's license was released by the FBI shortly after
Michael died  -- as part of the agency's massive file on the singer. The Bureau
compiled the dossier during its investigation into child sex allegations involving
the singer back in the 90s.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-2subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

As you can see, Michael was a much different person back then -- smiling
brightly for his photo at the DMV.

Of course, it's not like MJ ever put the license to much use -- he was pretty
much exclusively chauffeured around, especially in the later years of his life.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/24/michael-jackson-drivers-license/#ixzz2FxV42iDk

OH MY GOD!!!!  :omg:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: wishingstar on December 24, 2012, 10:18:05 AM
I call fake.....CA driver's licenses have the picture on the left, not right. 

Just sayin'......Hello Harvey...Happy "Holidaze"  :fresse:

Blessings Always
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: underthemoon on December 24, 2012, 10:19:16 AM
Exp Date 08/29/2010 was his 52 th birthday !

Merry christmas to all ! :bearhug:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: gwynned on December 24, 2012, 10:28:55 AM
Perhaps it's a sign that he has serious business to do and he ain't no Mr. Nice Guy at the moment.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: danismjking on December 24, 2012, 10:58:37 AM
 Exp Date 08/29/2010 was his 52 th birthday ! 2009-51 , 2010-52 , 2011-53 , 2012-54 . THIS COUNT TO ME LIKE 4 YEARS....  :affraid:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: StrangerInCalifornia on December 24, 2012, 11:39:16 AM
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I call fake.....CA driver's licenses have the picture on the left, not right. 

Just sayin'......Hello Harvey...Happy "Holidaze"  :fresse:

Blessings Always
This doesn't look like it is supposed to be a picture of his actual driver's license. This is what a record from the CA DMV looks like.

So was this the picture on the license that they supposedly ID'ed the body from at UCLA??
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bec on December 24, 2012, 12:30:30 PM
Yeah, the alleged DWD patient  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Jowayria on December 24, 2012, 04:19:36 PM
I think that TMZ posting Michael's DRIVER Licence has nothing to do with the fact that Michael did or did not have a licence .. For me , it is just another clue from Michael .
Now that I think of it , one of Front's posts crosses my mind
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Last, but certainly not least…..

Stumbling blocks are inevitable…however, they CAN be surpassed with grace---IF we synergistically explore the terrain. A collective journey with many "passengers" in the same vehicle is bound to get a little uncomfortable, with plenty of potholes and hurdles continuing along the way. BUT…..let's remember who the "driver" is----> Michael Jackson will get us all home safely.

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@Front, I heard Mike is a terrible driver. You sure he will take us home safe and sound?  :lol: 



(http://www.free-avatars.com/data/media/85/smiley_car.gif)


Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 24, 2012, 04:23:36 PM
I feel like I'm suppose to be getting something out of this, but I cannot put my finger on it.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MJonmind on December 24, 2012, 04:30:24 PM
You all hit the nail on the head!
Quote
Of course, it's not like MJ ever put the license to much use -- he was pretty
much exclusively chauffeured around, especially in the later years of his life.
Oh no, he's been driving alright, hoax vehicle--hoax train!

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: wishingstar on December 24, 2012, 04:40:19 PM
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I call fake.....CA driver's licenses have the picture on the left, not right. 

Just sayin'......Hello Harvey...Happy "Holidaze"  :fresse:

Blessings Always
This doesn't look like it is supposed to be a picture of his actual driver's license. This is what a record from the CA DMV looks like.

So was this the picture on the license that they supposedly ID'ed the body from at UCLA??

From TMZ's article.....
".....last driver's license photo...."

Yes, yes, yes...of course *hits forehead* TMZ said right here, the last "photo"....so any and all the other information they posted is anything they wanted to say.....I did notice all those 7's as well, lol.......lots of number play......Michael "Joe" etc......
good catch StrangerinCA .....thanks!!!!   
Indeed, MJonmind.......he's been driving alright, lol........driving all us crazy!!! (someone que Ozzy's Crazy Train)   :icon_lol:

Blessings

PS> I don't know what UCLA used...I had thought it was the older one, but who knows........
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: scorpionchik on December 24, 2012, 05:23:43 PM
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MICHAEL JACKSON'S
DRIVER'S LICENSE
Stone-Faced Stare


12/24/2012 1:00 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-2michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

TMZ has obtained the last driver's license photo Michael Jackson ever took--
a big change from the singer's cheery license photo from the 1980s.

The latest photo was taken in 2005 -- four years before the King of Pop's
untimely death -- and you can tell from the harrowing image ... MJ had become
a tortured soul.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

An image of MJ's 1980s driver's license was released by the FBI shortly after
Michael died  -- as part of the agency's massive file on the singer. The Bureau
compiled the dossier during its investigation into child sex allegations involving
the singer back in the 90s.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-2subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

As you can see, Michael was a much different person back then -- smiling
brightly for his photo at the DMV.

Of course, it's not like MJ ever put the license to much use -- he was pretty
much exclusively chauffeured around, especially in the later years of his life.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/24/michael-jackson-drivers-license/#ixzz2FxV42iDk


Harvey/TMZ out of its mind completely. That is not a US/CA DL, never was. You, STONED freak.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: scorpionchik on December 24, 2012, 05:26:36 PM
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Bogus.

This is a real driver's license from 2005:
(https://www.julienslive.com/images/lot/63219/0/lot63219.jpg)

Quote
California
   
Policy: “A license shall bear a full face engraved picture or photograph of the licensee…. The DMV in the state
of California wants to be sensitive to the needs of all applicants and does allow headgear to be worn because of
religious beliefs provided it does not obscure the applicant’s facial features. However, it may be necessary to
ask the licensee to push back the headgear to eliminate dark shadows on his/her face. 

No written statement from the applicant is necessary regarding the wearing of the headgear.
The applicant’s verbal statement is sufficient.”
 
Source: California Vehicle Code, Sections 12800-5 and 13005. 
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/LWVJ.pdf (http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/LWVJ.pdf)

The message is not about the license. We know who the driver is. Merry Christmas, MJ!

Add:
Everybody here, may you have a blessed Christmas season and don't feel disappointed not matter what happens.
Enjoy your time, family & friends and a brand new start every day.  :icon_e_biggrin:

This is it.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: blankie on December 24, 2012, 05:28:40 PM
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:icon_mrgreen:    :icon_bounce:

Michael JOE Jackson.....of course!

Yeahhh  :icon_bounce: :icon_bounce: :icon_razz: :moonwalk_:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 24, 2012, 05:29:21 PM
It's not just the DL that is fake, the picture isn't Michael either. Below allegedly both from 2005. That is not the same person. Eyes are totally different (Michael's eyes are curved, smaller), nose is different, mouth is different and Michael's chin is longer and has a cleft. Where did the cleft go on the dude on the left? Unless someone thinks it's not Michael on the right...

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/2005_bs_pic.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 24, 2012, 05:30:46 PM
BTW: Michael's driving skills are shit, allegedly. :thjajaja121:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: RK on December 24, 2012, 06:01:59 PM
I'm not sure I believe what we've been told about MJ's driving skills. Frank Cascio in his book talks about MJ and himself going up the the tracks into the hills around Neverland on dirt bikes for recreation. It takes quite some skill to  stay upright on trail bikes going off road. So I think that Michael would have no difficulty driving a car on a proper road if we know he has been riding bikes since he was just a little fella [ heard the last part about riding since childhood on David Gest's doco]
Anyhow...that's my reasoning about it.
 
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: scorpionchik on December 24, 2012, 07:36:09 PM
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MICHAEL JACKSON'S
DRIVER'S LICENSE
Stone-Faced Stare


12/24/2012 1:00 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-2michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

TMZ has obtained the last driver's license photo Michael Jackson ever took--
a big change from the singer's cheery license photo from the 1980s.

The latest photo was taken in 2005 -- four years before the King of Pop's
untimely death -- and you can tell from the harrowing image ... MJ had become
a tortured soul.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

An image of MJ's 1980s driver's license was released by the FBI shortly after
Michael died  -- as part of the agency's massive file on the singer. The Bureau
compiled the dossier during its investigation into child sex allegations involving
the singer back in the 90s.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-2subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

As you can see, Michael was a much different person back then -- smiling
brightly for his photo at the DMV.

Of course, it's not like MJ ever put the license to much use -- he was pretty
much exclusively chauffeured around, especially in the later years of his life.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/24/michael-jackson-drivers-license/#ixzz2FxV42iDk


Harvey/TMZ out of its mind completely. That is not a US/CA DL, never was. You, STONED freak.

Wait a minute, I think I got it.  "Michael Jackson" on the false DL that expires in 2010 died on 06/25. Was this DL in hospice patient's pocket in his way to UCLA  for identification? Of course, later on, regardless of the name on DL,  all other death related documents go by Michael Joseph Jackson.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 24, 2012, 07:42:12 PM
That is a very good point.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: suspicious mind on December 24, 2012, 08:06:49 PM
wasn't there a photo that ben did of a guy getting into a car in his pj's ? this looks like that person to me. by the way there is no signature on the 2005 license.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: voiceforthesilent on December 24, 2012, 08:08:06 PM
Oh my gosh - is there ever a time where we will see pictures from the same era and all agree that it is or isn't Michael? LOL - I, for one, haven't believe for years that we've seen the real Michael every single time and these two pictures are no different. The only other explanation is that Michael deliberately changes his appearance.

I don't know about the one in the DL photo but he doesn't look tortured, he looks very angry to me. And, if this picture was taken about a month after the trial I can understand why. However, why would he need a DL if he was in the process of leaving the country? Was he still in LA in July 2005 or had he already left the country? All I could find was that his father was having a birthday bash in Berlin and MJ was supposed to appear.

I think there is deeper meaning as is mentioned by others above. MJ and hoax fam - Merry Christmas!

Blessings

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: RK on December 24, 2012, 08:11:48 PM
Just read that Spike Lee has posted two pics on his instagram of MJ from TDRCAU. Same stony faced look.

(http://i48.tinypic.com/2u58b9d.jpg)


sheltonjlee This is Micael Jackson's ID Badge From The "THEY DON'T REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT US" SHORT FIlM 6h

sheltonjlee Michael Jackson's ID Badge from his THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT US Short Film. I pulled this out of my archives.SHAMON. 5h
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: voiceforthesilent on December 24, 2012, 08:14:59 PM
RK - the eyes in TDRCAU seem to match (to me) the one in the fake DL. Does the timing seems too coincidental for Spike to post those pictures? It does to me.

Blessings
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: StrangerInCalifornia on December 24, 2012, 08:16:16 PM
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It's not just the DL that is fake, the picture isn't Michael either. Below allegedly both from 2005. That is not the same person. Eyes are totally different (Michael's eyes are curved, smaller), nose is different, mouth is different and Michael's chin is longer and has a cleft. Where did the cleft go on the dude on the left? Unless someone thinks it's not Michael on the right...

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/2005_bs_pic.jpg)
Yea that was my first thought when I saw the picture was that it wasn't Michael circa 2005. It looked more like it was maybe around 2001-ish to me, if its even him at all.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: RK on December 24, 2012, 08:18:39 PM
My thoughts exactly @Voice. I better edit the post to include Spikes tweet with the pic.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 24, 2012, 08:25:01 PM
So Michael didn't have a cleft chin. Well I guess he did, but not that deep of a cleft chin.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Snoopy71 on December 24, 2012, 09:01:41 PM
So what, does Harvey  have people on the inside at DMV now?  :suspect:

Most of you won't remember this (or may not know about it), but a young actress named Rebecca Schaeffer was killed many years ago (July 18, 1989) because a stalker was able to get her personal information through DMV.  Since then, the privacy laws here in California on releasing such information have gotten much stricter. [California laws regarding the release of personal information through the DMV were drastically changed. The Driver's Privacy Protection Act was enacted in 1994]



This is pulled from the actual California DMV site :

[Confidential information includes, but may not be limited to, an individual's home address (California Vehicle Code Section 1808.21), home telephone number (Government Code Section 6254.3), physical/mental information (California Vehicle Code Section 1808.5), social security number (California Vehicle Code Section 1653.5), and photograph (California Vehicle Code Sections 12800.5 and 13005.5). Confidential home addresses will only be released when the department determines the release is necessary to complete a DMV transaction. Other requests for any confidential information must include a state or federal statute that authorizes or requires the department to release such information.

Information regarding any motor vehicle liability insurance policy or surety bond provided to the department is confidential and shall not be disclosed to any person, except to the following:

(a) A court of competent jurisdiction.

b) A law enforcement or other governmental agency.

(c) An insurance company or its assigns to verify a record the company or its assigns previously submitted to the department.

(d) A person whose vehicle or property has been involved in an accident reported to the department, or who suffered bodily injury or death in an accident reported to the department under Chapter 1 (commending with Section 16000) of Division 7 (Financial Responsibility Laws), or the person's authorized representative, employer, parent, or legal guardian.

The Department may further restrict the release of any information from its files if it determines that, on the facts of the particular case, the public interest served by not disclosing the record clearly outweighs the public interest served by disclosure of the record. ]



I call foul/fake....what are you up to Harvey? :icon_e_confused:


Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bonnie2013 on December 24, 2012, 09:30:25 PM
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Re the 2005 licence pic, in my experience for quite some time now, they do not want you to smile in any official document pics, such as licence and passports.


Exactly... they used to let people smile in identification photos, but in recent years they do not allow smiling for some reason.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bec on December 24, 2012, 11:25:24 PM
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Re the 2005 licence pic, in my experience for quite some time now, they do not want you to smile in any official document pics, such as licence and passports.


Exactly... they used to let people smile in identification photos, but in recent years they do not allow smiling for some reason.

Because it works better for facial recognition technology.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bec on December 24, 2012, 11:49:54 PM
Also, Ps. MJ was in Bahrain in July of 2005, not in LA to get his DL renewed/pic taken.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MJonmind on December 25, 2012, 01:26:55 AM
I'm thinking the so-called Drivers 2005 is more like from the nineties. On the right is MJ from the time of Oprah's interview in 93.

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/driverjtj.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 25, 2012, 01:34:21 AM
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I'm thinking the so-called Drivers 2005 is more like from the nineties. On the right is MJ from the time of Oprah's interview in 93.

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/driverjtj.jpg)

His face looks aged a bit in the DL picture. Also his eyebrows are thicker in the DL picture. Also he doesn't have the greased down baby hairs that were oh so popular in the 90s (lol). Plus if it were 90s he would definitely be smiling. So I think not, but that just my opinion.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 25, 2012, 01:36:30 AM
oops...I didn't see the spike lee pic was posted in the forum...

sorry RK ...

<3
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ellyd on December 25, 2012, 01:59:07 AM
Given, we take the published document as the true DL record (why not signed if the stamp requires a signature, but well...) that someone really leaked (or "as if" leaked if this is meant to train our brains again for revealing "how"), these are some of my thoughts.

As of June 2005, California required digital finger prints to be taken. Prior to 2005, they took ink finger prints.
The application date of the document says July 2005.
Whether "digital" means more likelihood of faking documents via electronic falsification or less chance to forge identities - authorities would probably say less chance.

As fingerprints were stored in the driver's license chip, identification could be easy in the hospital - given the body was carrying the same fingers.

2010 marks another step in increased security features in CA as to DL (sources among others: http://www.morphotrust.com/pages/204-history (http://www.morphotrust.com/pages/204-history))
The fact of changes in security features made it imperative to have a DL expire before 2010 and make the hoax happen before 2010. This timing and features lead us to several alternative scenarios.

(I will not look at the question why a patient in an ambulance who wasn't involved in a car accident would carry his DL in his pockets when he came out of bed. Let's say somebody cared to provide the card to the ambu staff.)

The person giving his finger prints must have seen the CDM office in person in 2005 due to the new method of taking finger prints / old ink records were not applicable anymore. Since 2005, CA requires a "live scan" (http://www.marinsheriff.org/uploads/documents/Live%20Scan%20FAQ%20Revised%20042507.pdf (http://www.marinsheriff.org/uploads/documents/Live%20Scan%20FAQ%20Revised%20042507.pdf).)

Scenario 1)
MJ providing his finger prints in July 2005
MJ providing his photo
Identification of MJ's body as MJ at UCLA -> everything correct, no sting
MJ dead

Scenario 2)
MJ providing his finger prints in July 2005
MJ providing his photo
MJ not at UCLA / identification of wrong body as MJ at UCLA (not according to standard procedure -> indication for sting)
other person dead
[Does not fit TS_comment's statement that MJ did not plan to be at UCLA - if MJ changed plans and was there, this would kill the sting at least as to wrong identification procedure.]

Scenario 3)
Other person providing his finger prints in July 2005
MJ providing his photo (digitally via web?) -> authorities issuing license violating standard procedure -> indication for sting (corruption?)
Wrong identification of body as MJ at UCLA (if they compared finger prints, they had no chance but identify the body as MJ, if they only looked at the photo, still not following standard procedure -> indication for sting, but minor)
other person dead
[Questionable scenario as to intentional forgery of documents / entrapment / violation of law / DWD patient known longer than 6 months?]

Scenario 4)
Other person providing his finger prints in July 2005 -> authorities NOT issuing license according to standard procedure (verification or corruption issue?) -> indication for sting
Other person providing his photo (after surgery?) -> authorities issuing license according to standard procedure (who will judge pictures)
Other person giving personal data identical to MJ -> authorities NOT issuing license according to standard procedure (verification or corruption issue?) -> indication for sting
Identification of body rightly as MJ at UCLA according to documents provided = cover-up successful
other person dead
[Questionable scenario as to intentional forgery of documents / entrapment / violation of law / DWD patient known longer than 6 months?]

If the sting is targeted at authorities in CA, given the a.m. scenarios, it is most likely the Department of Justice.
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Q. What is Live Scan?
A. Live Scan is the electronic process used to obtain fingerprints. Fingerprints previously were obtained using ink and cardstock quality cards. In the past ink cards took months or even years to analyze. Technological advances now enable us to digitally obtain prints, and then electronically transmit the images to the Department of Justice for review.
http://www.marinsheriff.org/uploads/documents/Live%20Scan%20FAQ%20Revised%20042507.pdf (http://www.marinsheriff.org/uploads/documents/Live%20Scan%20FAQ%20Revised%20042507.pdf)

If they did accept a third person's finger prints as MJ's without any rejection, this is proof of slatternliness which combined with any additional corruption attempt may lead to forgery of identities, forgery of "breeding" ID documents and thus is the root to support / cover any further criminal activity. Imagine what can be done with your (falsely stored / deciphered) finger prints not only on electronic highways.
Given the potential impact and weight of the consequences, I could imagine scenario 4 with target DoJ getting some positive taste. This would also explain the coop of the judge, the DA, etc. etc.

The pictures do show different persons.
It is Johnathan with Doe eyes vs. Joe Handsome. There are two and it is not only the chin cleft. Facial features don't match (jaw angle etc.) that's why the hairs had to cover the sides despite it is against DL picture directive.

Remaining question for me is how did they find a terminally ill patient who would die 4 years later.
Except: he was there all the time as a decoy, unfortunately got ill and the agency sting was just made up to make the story look more dramatic.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 25, 2012, 01:59:47 AM
Someone already brought that up in another post, I forgot who though,
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: scorpionchik on December 25, 2012, 02:06:36 AM
Handsom Michael in 2005
 http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jackson-a-life-in-photos/1614745/4003948/photo.jhtml#4003948

and this is a perfect video with matching song

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97U8O9Z63yQ[/youtube]

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: scorpionchik on December 25, 2012, 02:13:43 AM
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Given, we take the published document as the true DL record (why not signed if the stamp requires a signature, but well...) that someone really leaked (or "as if" leaked if this is meant to train our brains again for revealing "how"), these are some of my thoughts.

As of June 2005, California required digital finger prints to be taken. Prior to 2005, they took ink finger prints.
The application date of the document says July 2005.
Whether "digital" means more likelihood of faking documents via electronic falsification or less chance to forge identities - authorities would probably say less chance.

As fingerprints were stored in the driver's license chip, identification could be easy in the hospital - given the body was carrying the same fingers.

2010 marks another step in increased security features in CA as to DL (sources among others: http://www.morphotrust.com/pages/204-history (http://www.morphotrust.com/pages/204-history))
The fact of changes in security features made it imperative to have a DL expire before 2010 and make the hoax happen before 2010. This timing and features lead us to several alternative scenarios.

(I will not look at the question why a patient in an ambulance who wasn't involved in a car accident would carry his DL in his pockets when he came out of bed. Let's say somebody cared to provide the card to the ambu staff.)

The person giving his finger prints must have seen the CDM office in person in 2005 due to the new method of taking finger prints / old ink records were not applicable anymore. Since 2005, CA requires a "live scan" (http://www.marinsheriff.org/uploads/documents/Live%20Scan%20FAQ%20Revised%20042507.pdf (http://www.marinsheriff.org/uploads/documents/Live%20Scan%20FAQ%20Revised%20042507.pdf).)

Scenario 1)
MJ providing his finger prints in July 2005
MJ providing his photo
Identification of MJ's body as MJ at UCLA -> everything correct, no sting
MJ dead

Scenario 2)
MJ providing his finger prints in July 2005
MJ providing his photo
MJ not at UCLA / identification of wrong body as MJ at UCLA (not as to standard procedure -> indication for sting)
other person dead
[Does not fit TS_comment's statement that MJ did not plan to be at UCLA - if MJ changed plans and was there, this would kill the sting at least as to wrong identification procedure.]

Scenario 3)
Other person providing his finger prints in July 2005
MJ providing his photo (digitally via web?) -> authorities issuing license not as to standard procedure -> indication for sting (corruption?)
Wrong identification of body as MJ at UCLA (if they compared finger prints, they had no chance but identify the body as MJ, if they only looked at the photo, still not following standard procedure -> indication for sting, but minor)
other person dead
[Questionable scenario as to intentional forgery of documents / entrapment / violation of law / DWD patient known longer than 6 months?]

Scenario 4)
Other person providing his finger prints in July 2005
Other person providing his photo (after surgery?) -> authorities issuing license as to standard procedure
Other person giving personal data identical to MJ -> authorities NOT issuing license as to standard procedure (verification or corruption issue?) -> indication for sting
Identification of body rightly as MJ at UCLA according to documents provided = cover-up successful
other person dead
[Questionable scenario as to intentional forgery of documents / entrapment / violation of law / DWD patient known longer than 6 months?]

If the sting is targeted at authorities in CA, given the a.m. scenarios, it is most likely the Department of Justice.
Quote
Q. What is Live Scan?
A. Live Scan is the electronic process used to obtain fingerprints. Fingerprints previously were obtained using ink and cardstock quality cards. In the past ink cards took months or even years to analyze. Technological advances now enable us to digitally obtain prints, and then electronically transmit the images to the Department of Justice for review.
http://www.marinsheriff.org/uploads/documents/Live%20Scan%20FAQ%20Revised%20042507.pdf (http://www.marinsheriff.org/uploads/documents/Live%20Scan%20FAQ%20Revised%20042507.pdf)

If they did accept a third person's finger prints as MJ's without any rejection, this is proof of slatternliness which combined with any additional corruption attempt may lead to forgery of identities, forgery of "breeding" ID documents and thus is the root to support any criminal activity. Imagine what can be done with your (falsely stored / deciphered) finger prints not only on electronic highways.
Given the potential impact and weight of the consequences, I could imagine scenario 4 with target DoJ getting some positive taste. This would also explain the coop of the judge, the DA, etc. etc.

The pictures do show different persons.
It is Johnathan with Doe eyes vs. Joe Handsome. There are two and it is not only the chin cleft. Facial features don't match (jaw angle etc.) that's why the hairs had to cover the sides despite it is against DL picture directive.

Remaining question for me is how did they find a terminally ill patient who would die 4 years later.
Except: he was there all the time as a decoy, unfortunately got ill and the agency sting was just made up to make the story look more dramatic.


Can you conclude in 1 sentence your post?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ellyd on December 25, 2012, 02:21:17 AM
Summary:

a) MJ is dead

b) MJ is not dead and somebody cared to provide false finger prints either in 2005 or later which were not checked properly by DoJ and produced a forged ID card.

b1) Source of false finger prints was a terminally ill DWD patient (who would die timely up to 4 yrs later) serving a sting operation against the DoJ.
b2) Source of false finger prints was a decoy that existed all through the years and no sting is set up.

Unfortunately 1 sentence was not enough. ;-)
Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: scorpionchik on December 25, 2012, 02:33:22 AM
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Summary:

a) MJ is dead

b) MJ is not dead and somebody cared to provide false finger prints either in 2005 or later which were not checked properly by DoJ and produced a forged ID card.

b1) Source of false finger prints was a terminally ill DWD patient (who would die timely up to 4 yrs later) serving a sting operation against the DoJ.
b2) Source of false finger prints was a decoy that existed all through the years and no sting is set up.

Unfortunately 1 sentence was not enough. ;-)
Merry Christmas!

1.Dead person's finger prints have not been checked to verify identity.
2.Finger prints cannot be false. 3.Michael's finger prints had been taken many times in his life time,so it could not be mistaken with other prints. 
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ellyd on December 25, 2012, 02:52:28 AM
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1.Dead person's finger prints have not been checked to verify identity.
2.Finger prints cannot be false. 3.Michael's finger prints had been taken many times in his life time,so it could not be mistaken with other prints.

1. We don't know this.

2. Sure, if the wrong person provides them or if the wrong finger prints were manufactured onto the ID card.
Within a corruption case, both is feasible.

3. That's exactly the point.
His finger prints were at least available from the trial and certainly from the raid(s) at Neverland.

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Source: Fingerprints of Jackson, boy on magazines
NEVERLAND RANCH
December 13, 2004
Fingerprints of Michael Jackson and those of his accuser have been found on "pornographic magazines" seized during a raid on the pop singer's Neverland ranch, a source familiar with the case told CNN. Investigators raided Jackson's Los Olivos, California, property based on allegations of child molestation in November 2003 and seized a variety of items from the entertainer's estate, including items from his bedroom and master bath, sources said.
http://articles.cnn.com/2004-12-11/justice/jackson_1_neverland-ranch-child-molestation-wine-cellar?_s=PM:LAW (http://articles.cnn.com/2004-12-11/justice/jackson_1_neverland-ranch-child-molestation-wine-cellar?_s=PM:LAW)

Quote
Michael Jackson's Fingerprints Not On Any Propofol Bottles
Posted on Oct 03, 2011 @ 10:30AM   
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/10/michael-jackson-propofol-bottles-fingerprints-not-conrad-murray-defense-he (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/10/michael-jackson-propofol-bottles-fingerprints-not-conrad-murray-defense-he)

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On December 3, 2004, Jackson's Neverland ranch was raided again. The media had been tipped off and were in place to cover the raid. Soon after, a story emerged that was hardly the smoking gun the District Attorney must have hoped for, given the extravagance of the search. Fingerprints were found, not from material collected during the raid, but from a magazine that the DA has had in his possession for over a year. Is it possible that the prosecution, if they are the source of the leak, actually think the media-consuming public is as stupid as that? If the fingerprint story is accurate -- and there is no way of knowing that -- then there are various ways the boy's fingerprints could have appeared on that magazine. Jackson and the boy could have looked at the magazine together; the boy could have discovered and perused the magazine on his own, or, the fingerprints could have been planted by a DA desperate to convict Jackson. At the eleventh hour, fingerprints were found. What an amazing coincidence!
http://mj.invisionconnect.com/index.php?/topic/246-the-michael-jackson-case-fingerprints-and-tabloids/ (http://mj.invisionconnect.com/index.php?/topic/246-the-michael-jackson-case-fingerprints-and-tabloids/)

Here we go again.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: scorpionchik on December 25, 2012, 03:21:43 AM
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1.Dead person's finger prints have not been checked to verify identity.
2.Finger prints cannot be false. 3.Michael's finger prints had been taken many times in his life time,so it could not be mistaken with other prints.

1. We don't know this.


Perhaps you don't, but that also was investigated here since Autopsy report appeared unless I missed something that discovered thereafter.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: scorpionchik on December 25, 2012, 03:34:11 AM
THIS IS INTERESTING COMMENT

http://www.sohh.com/2012/12/ap9_ditches_coco_for_nba_ballers_wife_ri.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=general-feed

AP.9 Ditches Coco For NBA Baller's Wife, Rihanna Spazzes Out On Fan, Michael Jackson Driver's License Pops Up

Monday, Dec 24, 2012 11:50AM

3. The King's Back

Why in the world would Michael Jackson's 2005 driver's license be coming up right now? Seems a bit strange to think that three years after his untimely death that this would not only pop up but become a relevant topic. Pretty interesting though to see Michael in a new light. TMZ has the exclusive shot:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 25, 2012, 03:42:11 AM
@ellyd ...very nice post...it could be any 2, 3 or 4th scenario ...but definitely not the first. We know that Michael is alive, (at least  by the same name)

Referring Souza's post:

If the person in the DL is NOT MJ then, the following are also not:



----->http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/driverjtj.jpg   <------


(http://grabilla.com/02c19-fe536a44-1ad3-412a-a696-0adf576edb10.png) (http://grabilla.com/02c19-fe536a44-1ad3-412a-a696-0adf576edb10.html) (http://grabilla.com/02c19-e60c23ee-9ab1-4fcc-a5f0-0500a8b4b9fd.png) (http://grabilla.com/02c19-e60c23ee-9ab1-4fcc-a5f0-0500a8b4b9fd.html) (http://grabilla.com/02c19-24b4bdf8-b77d-4563-8f1b-e7cfe5259776.png) (http://grabilla.com/02c19-24b4bdf8-b77d-4563-8f1b-e7cfe5259776.html)

the third one is from "Living With Michael Jackson"

But at the end part where Martin Bashir interviews MJ:

this one is really MJ:

(http://grabilla.com/02c19-00300028-34bd-48de-90d4-8886a99124da.png) (http://grabilla.com/02c19-00300028-34bd-48de-90d4-8886a99124da.html)


Also the guy at NASDAQ is ALSO NOT MJ


going further:

ScorpionChik posted:
Quote
Wait a minute, I think I got it.  "Michael Jackson" on the false DL that expires in 2010 died on 06/25. Was this DL in hospice patient's pocket in his way to UCLA  for identification? Of course, later on, regardless of the name on DL,  all other death related documents go by Michael Joseph Jackson.


If this is the person who really died...then it's quite impossible that this guy is a DWD patient...

1) Finding a patient , who happens to be MJ impersonator, and also a DWD patient is simply impossible

2) If a DWD patient was chosen, was made to go through plastic surgeries to look like MJ, then he would not have been able to withstand those surgeries.
It's impossible that a terminally ill patient can survive under such heavy and numerous surgeries.





Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MJonmind on December 25, 2012, 03:45:18 AM
Ellyd, with the fingerprints there is simply so many unknowns.
Quote
If the fingerprint story is accurate -- and there is no way of knowing that -- then there are various ways the boy's fingerprints could have appeared on that magazine. Jackson and the boy could have looked at the magazine together; the boy could have discovered and perused the magazine on his own, or, the fingerprints could have been planted by a DA desperate to convict Jackson.


Thriller4ever, those are all MJ, including Nasdaq, but maybe that's what you were saying by starting with "if".
I agree with this as well.
Quote
1) Finding a patient , who happens to be MJ impersonator, and also a DWD patient is simply impossible

2) If a DWD patient was chosen, was made to go through plastic surgeries to look like MJ, then he would not have been able to withstand those surgeries.
It's impossible that a terminally ill patient can survive under such heavy and numerous surgeries.
Although Elvis said his death hoax hospice patient had surgeries to help him look like Elvis.

I still think this DL pic is clearly MJ from 1993, thus clearly not legal (as already stated the pic should be on the other side). Notice the bottom of his chin is identical in both pics, with the left side slightly lower than the right (from our view). The pic is also darker, grainier making MJ look slightly different. In many pics MJ's eyebrows are frequently darker/lighter, often eyelashes curled or thickened, but that is an easy make-up matter.

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/driverjtj.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7PdUlgQ81pI/TgTenEZizKI/AAAAAAAACIA/ZYGJI0vl3_M/s1600/MJ+1993+Earth+Song+1.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MJonmind on December 25, 2012, 04:11:45 AM
On the subject of identity theft, just for a laugh. Did anyone see this whole movie?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqQg6Rlt6W4[/youtube]
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 25, 2012, 04:12:51 AM
Was MJ under "mind-control" during this period...

if that person in the DL picture IS MJ, then he's definitely not himself...IMO he looks so lost...not at all his usual self. If you guys know what I mean...

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ellyd on December 25, 2012, 05:13:52 AM
Well, I was wrong in one premise.
Officially, a dead body is not permitted to be examined as to finger prints as long as the coroner hasn't given his consent.
Thus, identification by finger prints does not take place in any hospital in LA (as long as directives are being followed which we can assume in this case, since taking finger prints is a laborious procedure requiring special equipment).
So: most likely no check of finger prints in hospital.

However, identification of a dead body at the coroner does take place by taking finger prints (among other methods) which are sent electronically to FBI. This will be the preferred option of identification for a case where an autopsy has been ordered. At that moment, any forgery must have come to daylight - except if the respective finger print specialist / FBI information recipient was involved as well.

So I modify the scenarios:
identification at UCLA without any reference to finger prints - identification from DL / body not important at that moment but certainly at the coroner. I do not exclude potential identity theft from the list of motivations for a crime or for the hoax.

I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: jam4truth on December 25, 2012, 05:28:10 AM
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Was MJ under "mind-control" during this period...

if that person in the DL picture IS MJ, then he's definitely not himself...IMO he looks so lost...not at all his usual self. If you guys know what I mean...

He could probably had been under mind-control. In this period he often hung out with Uri Geller.
Look at the pictures. Similar face expressions...

(http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/blogs/static/dowbrigade/gellerjack.jpg)

Psychic Uri Geller defended his friend Michael Jackson (together, above) on Sunday,
saying the pop singer denied under hypnosis three years ago that he had
sexually abused children.

Geller, best known for his claimed telekinetic ability to bend spoons, told Israel’s
Army Radio that he hypnotized Jackson when the two were alone in a recording
studio at an undisclosed location.

"I told him that that if he would let me, I would hypnotize him," Geller
told the radio. "He said, ‘Okay, let’s give it a try.’"

source: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/dowbrigade/2004/01/18/uri-geller-declares-michael-jackson-innocent/ (http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/dowbrigade/2004/01/18/uri-geller-declares-michael-jackson-innocent/)



March 30, 2011 – Michael Jackson and Uri Geller, Schmuley Boteach and the other Watchmen

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PbEbIdJL610/TZJl4q0iO7I/AAAAAAAAByk/1JCfhMp63yk/s400/MJ+2001+Uri+Gellar+era+1.jpg)


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4R6ob-04eZw/TZJnicP-q1I/AAAAAAAABys/w6XbfSKMLhM/s400/MJ+2011+uri+mike+2.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y7N6YwRw-94/TZJn7it4puI/AAAAAAAABy0/x6huAgYjDK0/s400/MJ+2011+uri+mike+4.jpg)

Uri Geller was a paratrooper in the military, and was involved in some experiments with MK Ultra for the CIA many years ago, where they utilized his so-called paranormal abilities in their behavioral research.

“At the age of 18[4] he served as a paratrooper in the Israeli Army,[5] and was wounded in action during the 1967 Six-Day War.  By the 1970s, Geller had become known in the United States and Europe. He also received attention from the scientific community, whose members were interested in examining his reported psychic abilities.”

source and more to read: http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.de/2011/03/michael-jackson-not-up-on-new-world.html (http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.de/2011/03/michael-jackson-not-up-on-new-world.html)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 25, 2012, 06:15:59 AM
I'm going to put down my thoughts....

Whether the person is MJ or not...

1)If the guy in the DL in MJ, then

- he's under mind -control (not his usual self)


2) If the person is not MJ, Then

a) He's a DWD Patient                                                                 b) He's just a duplicate, an impersonator
 
a.1) If the guy in the TMZ photo is a DWD patient,                              -What would have been his role in this hoax anyways?  (striking off )                 
it's impossible that this picture was taken in 2005,
given that a DWD patient has only 6 months to live.

a.2) Assuming that the DWD patient underwent plastic
surgeries to look like MJ any time between
January to June (before 25th),

wouldn't this have created an identity crisis for the DWD patient?

if yes...strike off this possibility
If no... IDK




And that leaves me at the 1st option....it is MJ under control...
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: suspicious mind on December 25, 2012, 06:58:07 AM
actually the dark patterns on the forehead sort of make me think of the somewhat darker places in murray's pics
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Jos on December 25, 2012, 07:28:11 AM
@Thriller4ever.

As for 2.a):

I doubted the DWD theory at first, because I couldn't believe that MJ would use a real corpse for his Death Hoax.
But with a bit of explaining from TS, I kinda turned my believes. (and, without a BAM before 3/1/2013, this could be fake also :) )

BUT:
To use a Hospice patient is one thing. To let him get plastic surgery is another.
I cannot believe that.

How can you make that right? How can you let a person (who's got 6 months to live), go under plastic surgery?



Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: diggyon on December 25, 2012, 07:46:35 AM
I still can't see why this is not MJ's picture in the DL! Anyone can look sad or stressed anytime, even while getting photographed. This could be the beginning of Michael's health issue as a preparation for the hoax! But I'm definitely sure that it is MJ in the pic.

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 25, 2012, 07:51:19 AM
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@Thriller4ever.

As for 2.a):

I doubted the DWD theory at first, because I couldn't believe that MJ would use a real corpse for his Death Hoax.
But with a bit of explaining from TS, I kinda turned my believes. (and, without a BAM before 3/1/2013, this could be fake also :) )

BUT:
To use a Hospice patient is one thing. To let him get plastic surgery is another.
I cannot believe that.

How can you make that right? How can you let a person (who's got 6 months to live), go under plastic surgery?

What if he was already done with surgery? I don't know how that would really work, but I doubt a man with 6 months to live is going to go under surgery. Also there was a video, I forgot where it was, but it was Jermaine (Michael's brother) responding on that, saying that Michael used that 6 months thing as a way to get publicity for his This Is It concert. So I don't know if that's true, but I heard him say it. He said something about Michael knowing how to manipulate the media and his ex wife Lisa Presley even said it also, talking about how he could manipulate the media.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Adore on December 25, 2012, 08:13:17 AM
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I still can't see why this is not MJ's picture in the DL! Anyone can look sad or stressed anytime, even while getting photographed. This could be the beginning of Michael's health issue as a preparation for the hoax! But I'm definitely sure that it is MJ in the pic.

I also think it's him. And I believe the focus it's not on the picture.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 25, 2012, 08:28:04 AM
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@Thriller4ever.

As for 2.a):

I doubted the DWD theory at first, because I couldn't believe that MJ would use a real corpse for his Death Hoax.
But with a bit of explaining from TS, I kinda turned my believes. (and, without a BAM before 3/1/2013, this could be fake also :) )

BUT:
To use a Hospice patient is one thing. To let him get plastic surgery is another.
I cannot believe that.

How can you make that right? How can you let a person (who's got 6 months to live), go under plastic surgery?





no...that's not possible...one of the reason to strike off the possibility...which i forgot to mention  ;D

@Diggy and @Adore ... I was considering Souza's post and the two pictures she posted were kind of different which made me think it could be possible, but then i couldn't see where an impersonator can fit in so....I think it is Michael.....

If it is a DWD patient, UCLA has to be in the hoax right? (correct me if i'm wrong), then according to ellyd's post there would have been no need for any sting on UCLA...
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: iamamjbeliever on December 25, 2012, 08:35:57 AM
Michael had lupus that's why his face looks unnormal
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Loveunited on December 25, 2012, 08:38:46 AM
Whatever purpose TMZ had in posting this pic yesterday, the story has been picked up by other rags, and is trending on Yahoo now :affraid:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: underthemoon on December 25, 2012, 08:41:20 AM
I remember a pic that looks so similar...from Oktober 2002 :

http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/6XC9Jkq1hMI/Michael+with+bodyguards/1IakzEUJsA4

Merry christmas to the world ! :bearhug:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: suspicious mind on December 25, 2012, 08:48:11 AM
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Was MJ under "mind-control" during this period...

if that person in the DL picture IS MJ, then he's definitely not himself...IMO he looks so lost...not at all his usual self. If you guys know what I mean...



they most likely are implying under the influence.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: iamamjbeliever on December 25, 2012, 08:48:30 AM
if Michael is alive and working with tmz. why would he allowed tmn to post that pic?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: iamamjbeliever on December 25, 2012, 08:53:52 AM
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Was MJ under "mind-control" during this period...

if that person in the DL picture IS MJ, then he's definitely not himself...IMO he looks so lost...not at all his usual self. If you guys know what I mean...

He could probably had been under mind-control. In this period he often hung out with Uri Geller.
Look at the pictures. Similar face expressions...

(http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/blogs/static/dowbrigade/gellerjack.jpg)

Psychic Uri Geller defended his friend Michael Jackson (together, above) on Sunday,
saying the pop singer denied under hypnosis three years ago that he had
sexually abused children.

Geller, best known for his claimed telekinetic ability to bend spoons, told Israel’s
Army Radio that he hypnotized Jackson when the two were alone in a recording
studio at an undisclosed location.

"I told him that that if he would let me, I would hypnotize him," Geller
told the radio. "He said, ‘Okay, let’s give it a try.’"

source: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/dowbrigade/2004/01/18/uri-geller-declares-michael-jackson-innocent/ (http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/dowbrigade/2004/01/18/uri-geller-declares-michael-jackson-innocent/)



March 30, 2011 – Michael Jackson and Uri Geller, Schmuley Boteach and the other Watchmen

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PbEbIdJL610/TZJl4q0iO7I/AAAAAAAAByk/1JCfhMp63yk/s400/MJ+2001+Uri+Gellar+era+1.jpg)


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4R6ob-04eZw/TZJnicP-q1I/AAAAAAAABys/w6XbfSKMLhM/s400/MJ+2011+uri+mike+2.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y7N6YwRw-94/TZJn7it4puI/AAAAAAAABy0/x6huAgYjDK0/s400/MJ+2011+uri+mike+4.jpg)

Uri Geller was a paratrooper in the military, and was involved in some experiments with MK Ultra for the CIA many years ago, where they utilized his so-called paranormal abilities in their behavioral research.

“At the age of 18[4] he served as a paratrooper in the Israeli Army,[5] and was wounded in action during the 1967 Six-Day War.  By the 1970s, Geller had become known in the United States and Europe. He also received attention from the scientific community, whose members were interested in examining his reported psychic abilities.”

source and more to read: http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.de/2011/03/michael-jackson-not-up-on-new-world.html (http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.de/2011/03/michael-jackson-not-up-on-new-world.html)

no mind control he had lupus
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 25, 2012, 08:57:55 AM
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I remember a pic that looks so similar...from Oktober 2002 :

http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/6XC9Jkq1hMI/Michael+with+bodyguards/1IakzEUJsA4

Merry christmas to the world ! :bearhug:

Thanks, that's the picture I was looking for. The so called DL picture looks like a photoshop to me with possibly that picture you linked to as top and the mugshot picture on the bottom:

(http://iseefacesinstuff.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/michael_jackson_mugshot.jpg)

+

(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Michael+with+bodyguards+1IakzEUJsA4l.jpg)

=

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-2michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 25, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
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I remember a pic that looks so similar...from Oktober 2002 :

http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/6XC9Jkq1hMI/Michael+with+bodyguards/1IakzEUJsA4

Merry christmas to the world ! :bearhug:

Thanks, that's the picture I was looking for. The so called DL picture looks like a photoshop to me with possibly that picture you linked to as top and the mugshot picture on the bottom:

(http://iseefacesinstuff.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/michael_jackson_mugshot.jpg)

+

(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Michael+with+bodyguards+1IakzEUJsA4l.jpg)

=

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-2michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)


I personally do not think it's a Photoshop...

Atleast not a photoshop with these two pictures..because:

(http://grabilla.com/02c19-3462c623-fe78-43a9-8df3-9e6128ca9a8b.png) (http://grabilla.com/02c19-3462c623-fe78-43a9-8df3-9e6128ca9a8b.html)

chins don't match ...

But some parts of the photo are weird...the picture could have been processed...because they put their "TMZ" water-mark...and in that process, they could've altered a bit here and there...but not creating a photo with two different pictures...


the altered parts could be ...

the outline of Michael's hair...it looks slightly blurred.

- one part of the hair looks lighter, while the other is darker, can u see?

(http://grabilla.com/02c19-007a19f4-668f-4cf9-9c9d-6f156256746d.png) (http://grabilla.com/02c19-007a19f4-668f-4cf9-9c9d-6f156256746d.html)

and the shadow of the chin is unnatural :

(http://grabilla.com/02c19-219e9921-394c-4982-b102-daebd7ae909b.png) (http://grabilla.com/02c19-219e9921-394c-4982-b102-daebd7ae909b.html)

maybe not photoshop ...a bit of processing.

BTW, is there any real purpose for TMZ to post this article...
maybe a test to identify real MJ from the fake..... ?

why a picture of such a poor quality?

iammjbeliever:
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no mind control he had lupus

Lupus and mind-control are two different things...
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 25, 2012, 09:34:31 AM
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Quite a mystery..

What the shit could it be?

Merry Christmas everyone

Maybe it's a YT screenshot.

Merry christmas.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bec on December 25, 2012, 10:15:20 AM
MJ was in Bahrain in July 2005. Probably got missed earlier.

He wasn't in LA getting his DL pic updated, he was in Bahrain. Strike 1 against this article/document.

And yes, that's not a real DL so strike 2.

If MJ was under mind control at this time, why would there have been an attempt to prosecute him for chi-mo? There wouldn't. They would just tell him to eliminate himself if he needed to be gotten out of the way. So mind control doesn't make any sense. The whole theory re: mind control was that MJ was able to resist/break free so he had to be eliminated, hence the false allegations leveled against him, among other things. Theories need to be linear.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Jowayria on December 25, 2012, 10:32:13 AM
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This could be the beginning of Michael's health issue as a preparation for the hoax! But I'm definitely sure that it is MJ in the pic.

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Bad health? I don't think so!

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What if he was already done with surgery? I don't know how that would really work, but I doubt a man with 6 months to live is going to go under surgery. Also there was a video, I forgot where it was, but it was Jermaine (Michael's brother) responding on that, saying that Michael used that 6 months thing as a way to get publicity for his This Is It concert. So I don't know if that's true, but I heard him say it. He said something about Michael knowing how to manipulate the media and his ex wife Lisa Presley even said it also, talking about how he could manipulate the media.

Made me think of something Front said

Quote
p.s. don't you just love it when the media manipulators GET manipulated?    a "headline" within a headline….. a hoax within a hoax….. a painting within a painting….. a plan within a plan…….

The DL picture is obviously fake , but what makes me wonder is why was it posted by TMZ in a such time ?! it surely does have a meaning !
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 25, 2012, 10:43:20 AM
I'm not saying Michael was under mind control through-out...of course he wasn't and that's why the child-molestation case. What i wanted to say was his 'state' while this pic was taken. They know Michael is the most influential, they could have been trying to get him again and again...cause they know there won't be another star like Michael...

This document is fake, that's for sure...but talking about the pic, i don't think it's Photoshop, what is the purpose for doing a photoshop and pasting it on a fake DL and posting the article? neither can it be any imposter...
But if that picture is Michael from some other period before 2005...there's a chance of mind control...he's def not looking himself...
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Andrea on December 25, 2012, 12:27:17 PM



Just catching up on all the posts.  All the pictures I've seen in this thread are Michael, in my opinion.  I've always thought that a more pronounced chin cleft could've been due to make up or the angle or lighting.  I don't know though.  How he has his hair always make a difference in his appearance as well.  But I think they're all him.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 25, 2012, 01:03:42 PM
Michael big eyes, Michael curvy eyes. Michael short chin, Michael long chin. Michael short, Michael tall, Michael high voice, Michael low voice. Who is it?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on December 25, 2012, 01:54:08 PM
How are you so sure which one is MJ and which one isn't?????  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 25, 2012, 02:02:53 PM
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How are you so sure which one is MJ and which one isn't?????  :icon_rolleyes:

All I said is that the one on the right in my comparison picture on page 2 is Michael. I'm certain of that. Then I see another MJ with bigger eyes. Seen that one before too, never said that wasn't MJ. Only said they look different and that Michael has curvy eyes.
Title: Re: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 25, 2012, 02:06:33 PM
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How are you so sure which one is MJ and which one isn't?????  :icon_rolleyes:

All I said is that the one on the right in my comparison picture on page 2 is Michael. I'm certain of that. Then I see another MJ with bigger eyes. Seen that one before too, never said that wasn't MJ. Only said they look different and that Michael has curvy eyes.


Quote
It's not just the DL that is fake, the picture isn't Michael either. Below allegedly both from 2005. That is not the same person. Eyes are totally different (Michael's eyes are curved, smaller), nose is different, mouth is different and Michael's chin is longer and has a cleft. Where did the cleft go on the dude on the left? Unless someone thinks it's not Michael on the right...


 :icon_lol:  <333
Title: Re: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 25, 2012, 02:11:24 PM
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How are you so sure which one is MJ and which one isn't?????  :icon_rolleyes:

All I said is that the one on the right in my comparison picture on page 2 is Michael. I'm certain of that. Then I see another MJ with bigger eyes. Seen that one before too, never said that wasn't MJ. Only said they look different and that Michael has curvy eyes.


Quote
It's not just the DL that is fake, the picture isn't Michael either. Below allegedly both from 2005. That is not the same person. Eyes are totally different (Michael's eyes are curved, smaller), nose is different, mouth is different and Michael's chin is longer and has a cleft. Where did the cleft go on the dude on the left? Unless someone thinks it's not Michael on the right...


 :icon_lol:  <333

Why do you laugh?
Title: Re: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 25, 2012, 02:21:33 PM
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How are you so sure which one is MJ and which one isn't?????  :icon_rolleyes:

All I said is that the one on the right in my comparison picture on page 2 is Michael. I'm certain of that. Then I see another MJ with bigger eyes. Seen that one before too, never said that wasn't MJ. Only said they look different and that Michael has curvy eyes.


Quote
It's not just the DL that is fake, the picture isn't Michael either. Below allegedly both from 2005. That is not the same person. Eyes are totally different (Michael's eyes are curved, smaller), nose is different, mouth is different and Michael's chin is longer and has a cleft. Where did the cleft go on the dude on the left? Unless someone thinks it's not Michael on the right...


 :icon_lol:  <333

Why do you laugh?

because you said you never said it's not MJ, but in your post at page 2 you said it's not MJ...  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on December 25, 2012, 02:25:59 PM
  :LolLolLolLol: I wasn't necessarily talking about you Souza, Thriller4ever said that MJ in  one part of Living With MJ and the MJ at NASDAQ "was not him" I was interested in how you were so sure  :icon_bounce:
Title: Re: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 25, 2012, 02:26:40 PM
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How are you so sure which one is MJ and which one isn't?????  :icon_rolleyes:

All I said is that the one on the right in my comparison picture on page 2 is Michael. I'm certain of that. Then I see another MJ with bigger eyes. Seen that one before too, never said that wasn't MJ. Only said they look different and that Michael has curvy eyes.


Quote
It's not just the DL that is fake, the picture isn't Michael either. Below allegedly both from 2005. That is not the same person. Eyes are totally different (Michael's eyes are curved, smaller), nose is different, mouth is different and Michael's chin is longer and has a cleft. Where did the cleft go on the dude on the left? Unless someone thinks it's not Michael on the right...


 :icon_lol:  <333

Why do you laugh?

because you said you never said it's not MJ, but in your post at page 2 you said it's not MJ...  :icon_razz:

No, please read again. I said it's not Michael, never said big eyes isn't MJ. Lol
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ellyd on December 25, 2012, 02:57:49 PM
We also had this tweet to Paris:

Lightman ‏@Lightman_777

@ParisJackson Despite your help today, showing all facial features are wrong some refuse to see. Take me away MJ Air.
    11 Retweets
    11 Favorites
2:26 AM - 20 Nov 12 ·
https://twitter.com/Lightman_777/status/270684595299700736/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/Lightman_777/status/270684595299700736/photo/1)


Quite suggestive.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 25, 2012, 03:06:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8GqNI1CUAE6yTj.jpg)

This is what I meant, bigger eyes and shorter chin on the right …
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: StrangerInCalifornia on December 25, 2012, 03:51:47 PM
Just a question: why are we jumping straight to mind control? It could have been that he was sick or tired or upset or any other number of things. The DMV always seems to bring out the worst in people lol.

Although I agree that the picture is definitely not Michael in 2005, maybe the picture itself is just a red herring, an excuse to write the rest of the article. Maybe we need to pay attention to the date; as bec pointed out he was elsewhere that day while "official" documents say he was in LA (just like the fake will). Or it could just be one last chance for the general public to notice his name is Michael JOE Jackson before bam.

p.s. if anyone is interested in how livescan fingerprinting works in CA, I'm going in to get fingerprinted in the morning. I'll make sure to pay attention lol
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on December 25, 2012, 04:13:07 PM
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Michael big eyes, Michael curvy eyes. Michael short chin, Michael long chin. Michael short, Michael tall, Michael high voice, Michael low voice. Who is it?

Latest plastic surgeries that Michael underwent such as lifting made his eyes to look slanted whereas his natural eyes were rounded so when he was young had rounded eyes and the older he got more slanted eyes was getting furthermore in his latest plastic surgeries he lengthened his chin and underlined his dimple, so the chin from his 80s/90s is different than his chin from his 2000s. Michael's face when he was young was rounded however now his face is longer, maybe he thought he would look more attractive with a longer chin.
I know there are many Michael's impersonators but in all those pics you can find only Michael.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on December 25, 2012, 04:37:01 PM
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8GqNI1CUAE6yTj.jpg)

This is what I meant, bigger eyes and shorter chin on the right …

The one on the right could be an impersonator or just light illusions, but I remember somebody posted an article written by one of TII dancers that said there only was an impersonator playing on Smooth Criminal on TII so the one on the right might probably be that impersonator.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Sarahli on December 25, 2012, 05:00:25 PM
So will we be able to recognize the "real" MJ when he comes back?  :icon_lol:


Re: If (when) MJ comes back - will we believe its him ?
« Reply #65 on: 21 September 2011, 16:16:33 »

Quote from: Front

 errrr


 afraid/


Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………


{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}


 mj_bad/


Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!


Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?


Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes  suspicious//  spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.


{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}


Michael: {standing alone…shakes his head…and breaks out into a rendition of 99 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall} 99 bottles of Propofol… 99 bottles of Propofol… take 1 down, pass it around--oops! where did it go?….. 98 bottles of Propofol………


 :lol:


 8-)


 mj_dance/
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Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on December 25, 2012, 05:15:56 PM
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So will we be able to recognize the "real" MJ when he comes back?  :icon_lol:


Re: If (when) MJ comes back - will we believe its him ?
« Reply #65 on: 21 September 2011, 16:16:33 »

Quote from: Front

 errrr


 afraid/


Perhaps he will be standing right in front of us---in the FLESH…………


{Michael, wearing a clown suit--or maybe a Pink Panther disguise--removes his garb}


 mj_bad/


Fans: {in astonishment and disbelief} Michael, is that really you? NO! It can't be!


Michael: Yes, it's really me! {turns around slowly for all to see} Did you really think I ever left?


Fans: {looking hard with scrutinizing, hoaxy eyes  suspicious//  spinning like pinwheels} Nah…it's not him. It's just some dude in an MJ disguise underneath that clown/Pink Panther suit.


{fans turn and walk away, fraught with disappointment}


Michael: {standing alone…shakes his head…and breaks out into a rendition of 99 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall} 99 bottles of Propofol… 99 bottles of Propofol… take 1 down, pass it around--oops! where did it go?….. 98 bottles of Propofol………


 :lol:


 8-)


 mj_dance/
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I am pretty sure I will but if I won't I will ask for a DNA test just to be sure :icon_lol:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: paula-c on December 25, 2012, 05:31:54 PM
exp date: 8/29/ 2010 do driver's licenses  expire on your birthday date?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Sarahli on December 25, 2012, 05:54:16 PM
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I am pretty sure I will but if I won't I will ask for a DNA test just to be sure :icon_lol:

Yes I think so too, but just in case -- will you believe the DNA test' results? We know how these things can be forged, don't we?  :icon_lol:

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exp date: 8/29/ 2010 do driver's licenses  expire on your birthday date?

What a "coincidence".  :suspect:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: shorty on December 25, 2012, 06:00:24 PM

Hi, he can just sing for us ...
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Loveunited on December 25, 2012, 08:15:55 PM
In California, driver's licenses do expire on your birthday.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 25, 2012, 08:35:39 PM
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Michael big eyes, Michael curvy eyes. Michael short chin, Michael long chin. Michael short, Michael tall, Michael high voice, Michael low voice. Who is it?

Latest plastic surgeries that Michael underwent such as lifting made his eyes to look slanted whereas his natural eyes were rounded so when he was young had rounded eyes and the older he got more slanted eyes was getting furthermore in his latest plastic surgeries he lengthened his chin and underlined his dimple, so the chin from his 80s/90s is different than his chin from his 2000s. Michael's face when he was young was rounded however now his face is longer, maybe he thought he would look more attractive with a longer chin.
I know there are many Michael's impersonators but in all those pics you can find only Michael.

Ok, explain the pics below then. Round eyed/short chin MJ from Thriller to HIStory, curvy eyed/long chin MJ from Thriller to HIStory... Both definitely MJ, but wtf?

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/wtf.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Andrea on December 25, 2012, 08:53:12 PM
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Michael big eyes, Michael curvy eyes. Michael short chin, Michael long chin. Michael short, Michael tall, Michael high voice, Michael low voice. Who is it?

Latest plastic surgeries that Michael underwent such as lifting made his eyes to look slanted whereas his natural eyes were rounded so when he was young had rounded eyes and the older he got more slanted eyes was getting furthermore in his latest plastic surgeries he lengthened his chin and underlined his dimple, so the chin from his 80s/90s is different than his chin from his 2000s. Michael's face when he was young was rounded however now his face is longer, maybe he thought he would look more attractive with a longer chin.
I know there are many Michael's impersonators but in all those pics you can find only Michael.

Ok, explain the pics below then. Round eyed/short chin MJ from Thriller to HIStory, curvy eyed/long chin MJ from Thriller to HIStory... Both definitely MJ, but wtf?

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/wtf.jpg)


It looks like his chin drops down a bit with his lower lip when he opens his mouth like that.  The least noticeable difference is between the two Thriller-era photos, where he hardly has his mouth open in the bottom row pic.  I did a mirror check just now and my chin lowers or stretches too, it's noticeable.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 25, 2012, 09:18:18 PM
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Michael big eyes, Michael curvy eyes. Michael short chin, Michael long chin. Michael short, Michael tall, Michael high voice, Michael low voice. Who is it?

Latest plastic surgeries that Michael underwent such as lifting made his eyes to look slanted whereas his natural eyes were rounded so when he was young had rounded eyes and the older he got more slanted eyes was getting furthermore in his latest plastic surgeries he lengthened his chin and underlined his dimple, so the chin from his 80s/90s is different than his chin from his 2000s. Michael's face when he was young was rounded however now his face is longer, maybe he thought he would look more attractive with a longer chin.
I know there are many Michael's impersonators but in all those pics you can find only Michael.

Ok, explain the pics below then. Round eyed/short chin MJ from Thriller to HIStory, curvy eyed/long chin MJ from Thriller to HIStory... Both definitely MJ, but wtf?

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/wtf.jpg)


It looks like his chin drops down a bit with his lower lip when he opens his mouth like that.  The least noticeable difference is between the two Thriller-era photos, where he hardly has his mouth open in the bottom row pic.  I did a mirror check just now and my chin lowers or stretches too, it's noticeable.

That still wouldn't explain the different eyes, but I have found some pictures where he has his mouth shut. Hard to find, but they are there, still with longer chin. Also still with the curvy eyes.

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/shutup.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MJonmind on December 25, 2012, 11:55:56 PM
Just like the good-old days!  :icon_lol:
Countless countless times through these 3 1/2 years I'd find some pic and think, he looks different here. Then I couldn't resist pulling out pics to compare, and then every time--no, it's him but I can't put my finger on it.  It's almost like he has a putty face and can stretch and pull and do things to slightly alter things. But they are still him---same voice within reason, since he could talk with several tones of voice, same mannerisms, personality, body walk, etc.

The only thing I'm always brought back to is the movie Prestige, where in the end we find he did the disappearing acts because he had a twin, hidden all through the years, than had even chopped off one finger to look the same.  We've discussed so many times whether the Jackson's, before they were famous, could have hidden a twin that no one would know about. Then to co-ordinate the 2 all through the years so they are never seen by the wrong people.  Then it would be that one of the twins actually died on June 25, no DWD, but KJ's real son.  Then this is no hoax.  And for all those who love him, we would grieve somewhat, but rejoice that we still have one left, because if they were twins, they are so completely indistinguishable one from the other, that we love them equally!

I thought many many times about that scenario, but I simply cannot see how that could have been carried out, when so many thousands of people were involved in his life all the time.  And where did that other one go, when the main one had things happening--Neverland, Lisa, PPB, road-shows. The co-ordination would be unimaginable. I know we talked of KJ maybe being pregnant when MJ was born, so MJ's birthdate was wrong, the whole thing with Brandon--Marlon's twin, young MJ with the cheek scar and the other not, on and on.  But the conclusion I came to was that MJ has planned for 20+ years to fool us, and wants us to think that there are 2 of him, an illusion by means of surgery, make-up, weight gain/loss, 2 middle names, well-staged pics with lighting, heels or not, wigs, some usage of doubles to mislead but who up close never look much like MJ, on and on.  He truly is a MASTER illusionist!  It's never been done on this scale.  He literally has the whole world fooled, his fans, and perhaps even most hard-core hoaxers. But this is just my opinion.  And yes, it has kept me awake at night--thanks MJ!  :icon_lol: I love you anyway!  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: GINAFELICIA on December 26, 2012, 12:26:40 AM
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MICHAEL JACKSON'S
DRIVER'S LICENSE
Stone-Faced Stare


12/24/2012 1:00 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-2michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

Call me a weirdo but I like this pic. Because it looks real, I don't know if it really is but I prefer to see the real Michael than a fake Michael, hiding himself under a lot of make up.
I would go to the edge of the universe with the real one. Yeah that looks like Back to me. That's how I imagine Back looking like.
Yeah I know I'm probably dreaming the impossible but who gives a fuck
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ellyd on December 26, 2012, 12:35:10 AM
Def. two faces.

There's still a rumour in the air that the doppelganger came from the Scruse family, was the eccentric one, was the one overspending and causing difficulties and that he was the one who got terminally ill.
Quite a dilemma.

The idea of a terminally ill doppelganger was planted as early as July 2009, giving the name of Dimitri Draghicescu in the unfamous Illuminus Theo blog.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Shamone Jackson on December 26, 2012, 01:37:54 AM
Imo, it's MJ.  As far as some of you going about his eyes and why they look bigger sometimes.  He does it with the white eye liner.  You guys explained it to me on this forum (or maybe it was the other forum).  That pic TMZ posted wasn't a very good one which is why he looks a little different.  It's a snapshot id photo and not the usual better quality photo.  Regardless, it's another indication of his real name "Joe".  :moonwalk_:

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MJonmind on December 26, 2012, 01:52:47 AM
And I want to add to my post above, that perhaps that's why there is Front and TS here, who sound and act almost exactly the same. TS calls Front, MJ. TS says he's not MJ but...is he perhaps pulling our leg?  One swears, goofs off more and is poetical/philosophical, and the other is the perfectionist professional who knows legal, medical, hoaxical, and Biblical stuff, and goofs off in restraint.  Those are both MJ-like.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Jos on December 26, 2012, 01:55:17 AM
Anyone considering the possibility that this could be of photo of, well... now?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 26, 2012, 02:33:33 AM
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Just like the good-old days!  :icon_lol:
Countless countless times through these 3 1/2 years I'd find some pic and think, he looks different here. Then I couldn't resist pulling out pics to compare, and then every time--no, it's him but I can't put my finger on it.  It's almost like he has a putty face and can stretch and pull and do things to slightly alter things. But they are still him---same voice within reason, since he could talk with several tones of voice, same mannerisms, personality, body walk, etc.

The only thing I'm always brought back to is the movie Prestige, where in the end we find he did the disappearing acts because he had a twin, hidden all through the years, than had even chopped off one finger to look the same.  We've discussed so many times whether the Jackson's, before they were famous, could have hidden a twin that no one would know about. Then to co-ordinate the 2 all through the years so they are never seen by the wrong people.  Then it would be that one of the twins actually died on June 25, no DWD, but KJ's real son.  Then this is no hoax.  And for all those who love him, we would grieve somewhat, but rejoice that we still have one left, because if they were twins, they are so completely indistinguishable one from the other, that we love them equally!

I thought many many times about that scenario, but I simply cannot see how that could have been carried out, when so many thousands of people were involved in his life all the time.  And where did that other one go, when the main one had things happening--Neverland, Lisa, PPB, road-shows. The co-ordination would be unimaginable. I know we talked of KJ maybe being pregnant when MJ was born, so MJ's birthdate was wrong, the whole thing with Brandon--Marlon's twin, young MJ with the cheek scar and the other not, on and on.  But the conclusion I came to was that MJ has planned for 20+ years to fool us, and wants us to think that there are 2 of him, an illusion by means of surgery, make-up, weight gain/loss, 2 middle names, well-staged pics with lighting, heels or not, wigs, some usage of doubles to mislead but who up close never look much like MJ, on and on.  He truly is a MASTER illusionist!  It's never been done on this scale.  He literally has the whole world fooled, his fans, and perhaps even most hard-core hoaxers. But this is just my opinion.  And yes, it has kept me awake at night--thanks MJ!  :icon_lol: I love you anyway!  :icon_razz:

Yup, i came to know of that theory from YouTube....but I don't think it's plausible, I mean if one Michael had vitiligo, what about the other. And what could've been the purpose of hiding another baby Michael....
But won't be of any surprise if there was an impersonator. What I'm thinking right now is, at the height of his fame...MJ was wanted. He had his influence all over the world, Michael Jackson was a household name, but this highly influential person wouldn't be with them. So it could be possible that Michael may have had an impersonator as a stand-by, to save himself from murder attacks.

But then again, risking an impersonators life, for the sake of his own life is something I cannot imagine Michael would do.

so...being as hypothetical as possible, that person maybe is a clone... (cause in the movie prestige, when the guy goes into that big electrical machine, there's one clone produced and the other one gets transported. The clone always gets killed, isn't it?)

But if thought practically, there is no impersonator/twin/clone , and that is Michael...either in a very bad mood or mind-controlled.

---

I'm again asking what was the real purpose of this post?

1) either Michael wants us to recognise the real from the fake

2) Or he's just checking out our reactions.

-is the purpose even the photograph...or any other legal issue? Like ellyd had brought up the case of fingerprints and the various scenarios.

I think we must put a pause to this topic because we don't really know which direction we are supposed to head towards.
everyone has different opinions and sometimes not even sure what to think (my case..ha!) ....

i think we need a C(L)UE ...
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: RK on December 26, 2012, 03:01:34 AM
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Anyone considering the possibility that this could be of photo of, well... now?

Yes. First thought I had.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: underthemoon on December 26, 2012, 04:33:57 AM
I had post this pic from 2002 that looks very similar with this called Driver Licence Pic. I only wanny sa that the pic from TMZ was not from 2005. It must be from 2002....around this time.
The pic i have posted was from Oktober 2002....in November Michael was in Berlin and became a Bambi....remember the Bashir interview with him ?
I noticed long time before that it lookes like ethere where 2 Michael in Berlin.....one with shorter hair and extremly nervoes and taller and one with longer hair, acting normal and not that tall...
I give you some videos....please look !
The nervoes one :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Beo2L0zvHo8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AM3a5876i0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev8WS87Ix7M

The other one ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID0zx83H1Y0

http://db2.stb.s-msn.com/i/F1/273EE5EB0D0CB7692776C9CBC449.jpg


http://en.michaeljackson.ro/photo/michael-jackson-at-charity-gala-in-berlin(290)-m-5.jpg

http://en.michaeljackson.ro/photo/michael-jackson-attends-zoo-in-berlin(291)-m-1.jpg

You can find very much on youtube and if you google Michael Jackson Berlin 2002 / Bambi and there are so big differences from this few days...very big changing in 2 or 3 days...

With Love <3<3<3
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: titania on December 26, 2012, 04:50:23 AM
1. Why isn't this Driver's licence signed by MJ and by the official who issued it?

2. Strange with the TMZ mark on it- looks like it was "issued" by TMZ...

2. Piece by piece Lightman will be revealed- wasn't that the quote by KO in TII?

3. My guess: Keeping us our toes, Michael. Santa Claus is coming to town.... :Pulling_hair:

Meanwhile on the subject of doubles/twins/clones etc  I count 6 members of the Jackson5 here....
 :WTF:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzPNoRjmE_E[/youtube]

Titania
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: diggyon on December 26, 2012, 05:27:19 AM
I am sure we won't find 2 pictures of MJ that look exactly the same! You know why? Because all celebrities have photographers who know how to use "Photoshop, the Great", or may be a similar program to produce the best photo ever made! Sometimes it's a challenge for them too. Every photographer knows how to use a camera and get some shadows in a photograph. But only those who know how to make your photograph look way better than your picture in the mirror are the best ones of course. With photo editing programs the features can be changed completely. The face can be lifted, the eyes can be rounded, the nose shape can be changed too. This doesn't mean the MJ has had hundreds of plastic surgeries. It only means, at least for me, that his official photos have been edited, that's all. I've seen a couple of photos of Paris. 

(http://www.mymagic105.com/files/2012/09/Paris-Jackson.jpg)

Now this one:


(http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/J/Paris-Michael-Katherine-Jackson-20858523-1-402.jpg)

Or even this one ( a recent pic)

(http://img2-2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/10/02/Paris-Jackson.jpg)

So can anyone tell me what happened to her chin?? Plastic surgery??? No way, she's only 14!! Then what happened to her chin?? How come it became so thin in the first picture??

It's called photo editing!!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: paula-c on December 26, 2012, 08:00:38 AM
This photo seems to be taken with a cell phone, the others are more professional :fresse:


(http://img2-2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/10/02/Paris-Jackson.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 26, 2012, 08:12:45 AM
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I am sure we won't find 2 pictures of MJ that look exactly the same! You know why? Because all celebrities have photographers who know how to use "Photoshop, the Great", or may be a similar program to produce the best photo ever made! Sometimes it's a challenge for them too. Every photographer knows how to use a camera and get some shadows in a photograph. But only those who know how to make your photograph look way better than your picture in the mirror are the best ones of course. With photo editing programs the features can be changed completely. The face can be lifted, the eyes can be rounded, the nose shape can be changed too. This doesn't mean the MJ has had hundreds of plastic surgeries. It only means, at least for me, that his official photos have been edited, that's all. I've seen a couple of photos of Paris. 

(http://www.mymagic105.com/files/2012/09/Paris-Jackson.jpg)

Now this one:


(http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/J/Paris-Michael-Katherine-Jackson-20858523-1-402.jpg)

Or even this one ( a recent pic)

(http://img2-2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/10/02/Paris-Jackson.jpg)

So can anyone tell me what happened to her chin?? Plastic surgery??? No way, she's only 14!! Then what happened to her chin?? How come it became so thin in the first picture??

It's called photo editing!!


I perfectly know of photo-editing . Photo editing will happen in the times of official Photoshoots.

check this link : http://rollingout.com/entertainment/10-most-airbrushed-celebrities/ (http://rollingout.com/entertainment/10-most-airbrushed-celebrities/)

In this link all the photos are from photoshoots ...you can't edit a photo at any award appearance.
Most of the photos we compare with are of Michael's appearances / candids...We cannot compare any photo with the official photo shoots.

And it's not even so impossible for Michael to have impersonators...there  are many MJ impersonators, Michael could have chosen one he thinks is best, could have enhanced his Michael-ish-ness.

It's not wrong to entertain a thought without actually believing it. We are just checking out the possibilities..
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 26, 2012, 09:45:16 AM
I give up, I guess it's too much out of the box for people. I tried 3 years ago and got the same responses. I see two different MJ's, it's not only obvious in pictures and videos, but in many lyrics as well. Just as the signatures on the AEG contract, the LA / NYC mystery and so much more. I don't believe either of them died BTW, so that to me is not a problem. We'll see.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on December 26, 2012, 09:49:54 AM
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Michael big eyes, Michael curvy eyes. Michael short chin, Michael long chin. Michael short, Michael tall, Michael high voice, Michael low voice. Who is it?

Latest plastic surgeries that Michael underwent such as lifting made his eyes to look slanted whereas his natural eyes were rounded so when he was young had rounded eyes and the older he got more slanted eyes was getting furthermore in his latest plastic surgeries he lengthened his chin and underlined his dimple, so the chin from his 80s/90s is different than his chin from his 2000s. Michael's face when he was young was rounded however now his face is longer, maybe he thought he would look more attractive with a longer chin.
I know there are many Michael's impersonators but in all those pics you can find only Michael.

Ok, explain the pics below then. Round eyed/short chin MJ from Thriller to HIStory, curvy eyed/long chin MJ from Thriller to HIStory... Both definitely MJ, but wtf?

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/wtf.jpg)

I mean come on when somebody smiles the chin become more elongate and the eyes get longer, on the pics above he is serious so his eyes and chin are rounded however on the pics below is just the other way around.
Title: Re: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 26, 2012, 09:52:10 AM
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Michael big eyes, Michael curvy eyes. Michael short chin, Michael long chin. Michael short, Michael tall, Michael high voice, Michael low voice. Who is it?

Latest plastic surgeries that Michael underwent such as lifting made his eyes to look slanted whereas his natural eyes were rounded so when he was young had rounded eyes and the older he got more slanted eyes was getting furthermore in his latest plastic surgeries he lengthened his chin and underlined his dimple, so the chin from his 80s/90s is different than his chin from his 2000s. Michael's face when he was young was rounded however now his face is longer, maybe he thought he would look more attractive with a longer chin.
I know there are many Michael's impersonators but in all those pics you can find only Michael.

Ok, explain the pics below then. Round eyed/short chin MJ from Thriller to HIStory, curvy eyed/long chin MJ from Thriller to HIStory... Both definitely MJ, but wtf?

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/wtf.jpg)

I mean come on when somebody smiles the chin become more elongate and the eyes get longer, on the pics above he is serious so his eyes and chin are rounded however on the pics below is just the other way around.
You ignored the pics I posted where he didn't smile, but it's okay. It's a taboo for many.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bugsy on December 26, 2012, 10:09:33 AM
There is many things to factor in. Make up... using eye liner in different ways can change the appearance of the shape, it can also take away or add more color to your eyes..eyebrow shaping can also change the appearance. Angle the photo is taken from can dramatically change the shape. Hair also...and not forgetting the direction the eyes are looking... Michael often had his head position so his eyes were slightly looking up so the whites showed more at the bottom.

And not forgetting to mention Michael didn't like his eyes looked into as he believed it the eyes are the window to the soul so his professional photos were Photoshopped to airbrush the eyes..other times he wore contact lenses...on stage he sang mostly with eyes closed and when all the above weren't being done and didn't have glasses on he had his hair forming curtains in front of his eyes, looking off from center on camera,or camera angled to the side while filming interviews. When he wanted people to see the truth he looked directly at the camera, he allowed access to view his soul. A lot of the professional photos also show him looking down so his eyes weren't shown, or squinting so you could not see his eyes properly, and other times the eye liner was enough to take away the impact of his eyes, if you look at thriller era when he wore i think no liner at all his eyes stood out, once he started applying eye liner, his eyes weren't so noticeable as before, however in "this is it" his eyes are noticeable again.. when he has no "props" to hide his eyes and they aren't being blurred, his face looks completely different to pictures taken just previously. The Sunglasses also alter the way he looks.

I heard him talk about some of if. I will look for the link.

However i believe he had a double...its the voice changes that makes me think that sometimes i thought i heard a foreign accent. One example is when TMZ was at Dr Klein office and asked if he could still moonwalk, His voice seemed to have a accent that wasn't American/English and the whole "body" of his voice seemed different>
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: flory24 on December 26, 2012, 10:41:01 AM
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I give up, I guess it's too much out of the box for people. I tried 3 years ago and got the same responses. I see two different MJ's, it's not only obvious in pictures and videos, but in many lyrics as well. Just as the signatures on the AEG contract, the LA / NYC mystery and so much more. I don't believe either of them died BTW, so that to me is not a problem. We'll see.


I agree with you Souza....I see two different MJ`s too
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 26, 2012, 10:41:55 AM
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I give up, I guess it's too much out of the box for people. I tried 3 years ago and got the same responses. I see two different MJ's, it's not only obvious in pictures and videos, but in many lyrics as well. Just as the signatures on the AEG contract, the LA / NYC mystery and so much more. I don't believe either of them died BTW, so that to me is not a problem. We'll see.

Souza, I'm very much open to the possibility of two Michaels, it is very much possible. For whatever reason, Michael could have had a stand by, even though the purpose is purely for creating illusion.  (but illusion for whom?, them? )

nothing is impossible ...

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Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on December 26, 2012, 10:43:14 AM
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Michael big eyes, Michael curvy eyes. Michael short chin, Michael long chin. Michael short, Michael tall, Michael high voice, Michael low voice. Who is it?

Latest plastic surgeries that Michael underwent such as lifting made his eyes to look slanted whereas his natural eyes were rounded so when he was young had rounded eyes and the older he got more slanted eyes was getting furthermore in his latest plastic surgeries he lengthened his chin and underlined his dimple, so the chin from his 80s/90s is different than his chin from his 2000s. Michael's face when he was young was rounded however now his face is longer, maybe he thought he would look more attractive with a longer chin.
I know there are many Michael's impersonators but in all those pics you can find only Michael.

Ok, explain the pics below then. Round eyed/short chin MJ from Thriller to HIStory, curvy eyed/long chin MJ from Thriller to HIStory... Both definitely MJ, but wtf?

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/wtf.jpg)

I mean come on when somebody smiles the chin become more elongate and the eyes get longer, on the pics above he is serious so his eyes and chin are rounded however on the pics below is just the other way around.
You ignored the pics I posted where he didn't smile, but it's okay. It's a taboo for many.

Oh no the thing was I saw your second post with no smiling MJ's pics after I post the above sentence, I see many Michaels every time but that happens to me too I have pics where my face is different than on the other and I look better or worst depending on the day I think that happens too everyone and of course make up makes the rest but I still don't see two Michaels.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Andrea on December 26, 2012, 11:03:19 AM
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I give up, I guess it's too much out of the box for people. I tried 3 years ago and got the same responses. I see two different MJ's, it's not only obvious in pictures and videos, but in many lyrics as well. Just as the signatures on the AEG contract, the LA / NYC mystery and so much more. I don't believe either of them died BTW, so that to me is not a problem. We'll see.

Souza, I'm very much open to the possibility of two Michaels, it is very much possible. For whatever reason, Michael could have had a stand by, even though the purpose is purely for creating illusion.  (but illusion for whom?, them? )

nothing is impossible ...





I find it so hard to tell!!  If there have been two MJ's for years then I must just be so used to seeing both that I believe both to be the one and only MJ, lol.  No doubt he would've used doubles for certain things, it's a fact that he would sometimes use one to say leave through the front door while he sneaked out the back (front and back haha).  But I still believe that the differences we see in certain photographs could've been deliberate and I think Michael had a lot of control over certain pics, how they would look, like this one (below).  It's air brushed, perhaps photo-shopped in a few spots and it's true that there is also always the questions of lighting, angles, make up, hair, head tilt, etc.  I don't know, it could be my stubbornness to my belief that MJ is irreplaceable.


(http://www.eurweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/michael-jackson.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MaryK on December 26, 2012, 11:04:58 AM
I believe there are 2 of them  ;)
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Post by: G0THTH1NG on December 26, 2012, 11:36:56 AM
I agree with the Precious!!! ^
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Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MaryK on December 26, 2012, 12:10:33 PM
From the official MJ FB page, just now:

Promo Ads: Check out this two-page promo ad for the single “Stranger In Moscow”!
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/4863211015.jpg)


 :icon_e_biggrin: :icon_lol: :icon_albino:
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Post by: bec on December 26, 2012, 12:12:30 PM
Ok now THAT's funny.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Andrea on December 26, 2012, 12:14:05 PM



:icon_lol:  How appropriate!!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: underthemoon on December 26, 2012, 12:18:26 PM
I had written it long time ago that i think there are two Michael. I love to hear music when i go to bed, with closed eyes and very loud and i heard the Album " Michael ".
Everytime when the song " Best of Joy " came i get so confused after the first seconds.....when he sang " wasn't it i who.....i got nervoes....the voice...so different and when i look at the lyrics...we need each other....
It was like a dialog between longtime friends. Was i got silly in this hoax and am i the only one who feels so ????
Here are the lyrics:
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/michaeljackson/bestofjoy.html

Now i love the song...but it had taken some time.

With LOVE  :bearhug:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: diggyon on December 26, 2012, 12:45:44 PM
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I am sure we won't find 2 pictures of MJ that look exactly the same! You know why? Because all celebrities have photographers who know how to use "Photoshop, the Great", or may be a similar program to produce the best photo ever made! Sometimes it's a challenge for them too. Every photographer knows how to use a camera and get some shadows in a photograph. But only those who know how to make your photograph look way better than your picture in the mirror are the best ones of course. With photo editing programs the features can be changed completely. The face can be lifted, the eyes can be rounded, the nose shape can be changed too. This doesn't mean the MJ has had hundreds of plastic surgeries. It only means, at least for me, that his official photos have been edited, that's all. I've seen a couple of photos of Paris. 

(http://www.mymagic105.com/files/2012/09/Paris-Jackson.jpg)

Now this one:


(http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/J/Paris-Michael-Katherine-Jackson-20858523-1-402.jpg)

Or even this one ( a recent pic)

(http://img2-2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/10/02/Paris-Jackson.jpg)

So can anyone tell me what happened to her chin?? Plastic surgery??? No way, she's only 14!! Then what happened to her chin?? How come it became so thin in the first picture??

It's called photo editing!!


I perfectly know of photo-editing . Photo editing will happen in the times of official Photoshoots.

check this link : http://rollingout.com/entertainment/10-most-airbrushed-celebrities/ (http://rollingout.com/entertainment/10-most-airbrushed-celebrities/)

In this link all the photos are from photoshoots ...you can't edit a photo at any award appearance.
Most of the photos we compare with are of Michael's appearances / candids...We cannot compare any photo with the official photo shoots.

And it's not even so impossible for Michael to have impersonators...there  are many MJ impersonators, Michael could have chosen one he thinks is best, could have enhanced his Michael-ish-ness.

It's not wrong to entertain a thought without actually believing it. We are just checking out the possibilities..

I totally agree with you. The photos of public appearances cannot be edited like the official photo shoots unless they appear in a magazine or on a web site. One of my friends is a graphic designer and he told me that each and every photo that appears in a magazine, a book, a flyer, on the internet etc... has to be edited in a way. Backgroud changes, darkening, lightning, changing color balance and so on........ even changing some facial expressions can be possible too!!! I also believe that MJ had many impersonators working for him. So it's hard to tell whether a certain photo is his or not. If he really had a twin brother, he wouldn't have hired impersonators!! JMHO.   
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Do on December 26, 2012, 12:57:30 PM
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Just like the good-old days!  :icon_lol:
Countless countless times through these 3 1/2 years I'd find some pic and think, he looks different here. Then I couldn't resist pulling out pics to compare, and then every time--no, it's him but I can't put my finger on it.  It's almost like he has a putty face and can stretch and pull and do things to slightly alter things. But they are still him---same voice within reason, since he could talk with several tones of voice, same mannerisms, personality, body walk, etc.

The only thing I'm always brought back to is the movie Prestige, where in the end we find he did the disappearing acts because he had a twin, hidden all through the years, than had even chopped off one finger to look the same.  We've discussed so many times whether the Jackson's, before they were famous, could have hidden a twin that no one would know about. Then to co-ordinate the 2 all through the years so they are never seen by the wrong people.  Then it would be that one of the twins actually died on June 25, no DWD, but KJ's real son.  Then this is no hoax.  And for all those who love him, we would grieve somewhat, but rejoice that we still have one left, because if they were twins, they are so completely indistinguishable one from the other, that we love them equally!

I thought many many times about that scenario, but I simply cannot see how that could have been carried out, when so many thousands of people were involved in his life all the time.  And where did that other one go, when the main one had things happening--Neverland, Lisa, PPB, road-shows. The co-ordination would be unimaginable. I know we talked of KJ maybe being pregnant when MJ was born, so MJ's birthdate was wrong, the whole thing with Brandon--Marlon's twin, young MJ with the cheek scar and the other not, on and on.  But the conclusion I came to was that MJ has planned for 20+ years to fool us, and wants us to think that there are 2 of him, an illusion by means of surgery, make-up, weight gain/loss, 2 middle names, well-staged pics with lighting, heels or not, wigs, some usage of doubles to mislead but who up close never look much like MJ, on and on.  He truly is a MASTER illusionist!  It's never been done on this scale.  He literally has the whole world fooled, his fans, and perhaps even most hard-core hoaxers. But this is just my opinion.  And yes, it has kept me awake at night--thanks MJ!  :icon_lol: I love you anyway!  :icon_razz:

MJonmind, your theory about a possible twin COULD explain the quote on the This Is It-album: ' Always great to sing with my brother'. I always found it very weird, like: Which brother do you mean Mike?? You have five of them!
The twin-theory goes beyond my imagination, but hey this whole hoax does!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: diggyon on December 26, 2012, 01:13:40 PM
This is what I found on youtube regarding your theory, MJonmind, although i find it hard to believer!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T57YK3aJLaU[/youtube]
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: JesusLover05 on December 26, 2012, 03:00:59 PM
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This is what I found on youtube regarding your theory, MJonmind, although i find it hard to believer!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T57YK3aJLaU&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

 I saw this video. If Michael Jackson had a twin brother, don't you think we would have known it by now? Why would the Jackson's hide a twin brother of Michael Jackson?
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Post by: Jowayria on December 26, 2012, 03:13:28 PM
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I believe there are 2 of them  ;)

why only two then ? why not three or four knowing that Michael had a LOT of impersonators !

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QcIDIPh1HGY#at=63[/youtube]

@JesusLover05 and  most importantly  : "how" would they hide him ?
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Post by: ~Souza~ on December 26, 2012, 03:18:54 PM
Lol, some people are so mad. For the record: I did not say impersonator. I've seen more than one of those and impersonators are not on album covers or in videos.
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Post by: MaryK on December 26, 2012, 03:25:21 PM
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Lol, some people are so mad. For the record: I did not say impersonator. I've seen more than one of those and impersonators are not on album covers or in videos.

Right! I am not talking about impersonators either. I would not necessarily consider or call him a twin but maybe he´s kin  :icon_e_wink:

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on December 26, 2012, 03:54:20 PM
There could be the possibility that Michael called his very official double his twin brother but only figuratively and this double could have been used in more occasions than we thought?.
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Post by: applehead250609 on December 26, 2012, 05:47:31 PM
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~Souza~
« Reply #3818 on: September 16, 2011, 11:08:02 AM »
@Front, I heard Mike is a terrible driver. You sure he will take us home safe and sound? :lol: 
:

I really don't think so,lol :LolLolLolLol: and Michael's driving teacher John Diggs will tell you the same  :icon_mrgreen: !!!!!


(http://www.free-avatars.com/data/media/85/smiley_car.gif)
.....btw very nice picture :thjajaja121: :thjajaja121:
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Post by: Jos on December 26, 2012, 06:10:47 PM
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Lol, some people are so mad. For the record: I did not say impersonator. I've seen more than one of those and impersonators are not on album covers or in videos.

Right! I am not talking about impersonators either. I would not necessarily consider or call him a twin but maybe he´s kin  :icon_e_wink:

Interesting thought of you guys! Please tell me more, if you will.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MJonmind on December 26, 2012, 06:11:36 PM
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Just like the good-old days!  :icon_lol:
Countless countless times through these 3 1/2 years I'd find some pic and think, he looks different here. Then I couldn't resist pulling out pics to compare, and then every time--no, it's him but I can't put my finger on it.  It's almost like he has a putty face and can stretch and pull and do things to slightly alter things. But they are still him---same voice within reason, since he could talk with several tones of voice, same mannerisms, personality, body walk, etc.

The only thing I'm always brought back to is the movie Prestige, where in the end we find he did the disappearing acts because he had a twin, hidden all through the years, than had even chopped off one finger to look the same.  We've discussed so many times whether the Jackson's, before they were famous, could have hidden a twin that no one would know about. Then to co-ordinate the 2 all through the years so they are never seen by the wrong people.  Then it would be that one of the twins actually died on June 25, no DWD, but KJ's real son.  Then this is no hoax.  And for all those who love him, we would grieve somewhat, but rejoice that we still have one left, because if they were twins, they are so completely indistinguishable one from the other, that we love them equally!

I thought many many times about that scenario, but I simply cannot see how that could have been carried out, when so many thousands of people were involved in his life all the time.  And where did that other one go, when the main one had things happening--Neverland, Lisa, PPB, road-shows. The co-ordination would be unimaginable. I know we talked of KJ maybe being pregnant when MJ was born, so MJ's birthdate was wrong, the whole thing with Brandon--Marlon's twin, young MJ with the cheek scar and the other not, on and on.  But the conclusion I came to was that MJ has planned for 20+ years to fool us, and wants us to think that there are 2 of him, an illusion by means of surgery, make-up, weight gain/loss, 2 middle names, well-staged pics with lighting, heels or not, wigs, some usage of doubles to mislead but who up close never look much like MJ, on and on.  He truly is a MASTER illusionist!  It's never been done on this scale.  He literally has the whole world fooled, his fans, and perhaps even most hard-core hoaxers. But this is just my opinion.  And yes, it has kept me awake at night--thanks MJ!  :icon_lol: I love you anyway!  :icon_razz:

MJonmind, your theory about a possible twin COULD explain the quote on the This Is It-album: ' Always great to sing with my brother'. I always found it very weird, like: Which brother do you mean Mike?? You have five of them!
The twin-theory goes beyond my imagination, but hey this whole hoax does!
For the record, in my previous post, I was concluding that I do NOT think MJ had a twin, or look-alike brother.  I think it's all MJ, with myriad changes applied--make-up, photo-shop, age, weight, lighting, surgery, etc.
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Post by: Snoopy71 on December 26, 2012, 06:27:58 PM
Whenever I hear talk of Michael having a twin, it makes me think of those rumors back in the day when they thought Michael and LaToya were the same person....

Or that Janet and Michael were the same person.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/242heft.gif)


Sorry, I don't buy the identical twin theory. 




"other things being equal, a simpler explanation is better than a more complex one."


I think the picture is indeed of Michael, but I think we're missing the point. :Crash:



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Post by: ~Souza~ on December 26, 2012, 06:29:00 PM
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From the official MJ FB page, just now:

Promo Ads: Check out this two-page promo ad for the single “Stranger In Moscow”!
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/4863211015.jpg)


 :icon_e_biggrin: :icon_lol: :icon_albino:

Awesome, lol.
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Post by: MJonmind on December 26, 2012, 06:54:04 PM
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Promo Ads: Check out this two-page promo ad for the single “Stranger In Moscow”!
Single, showing 2 MJ's that are identical!  Too funny!
MJ, is that you!!  I love this weird way of communicating, as Front called it--"Whispers"!  Gets the job done! :LolLolLolLol:
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Post by: Snoopy71 on December 26, 2012, 07:09:06 PM
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Promo Ads: Check out this two-page promo ad for the single “Stranger In Moscow”!
Single, showing 2 MJ's that are identical!  Too funny!
MJ, is that you!!  I love this weird way of communicating, as Front called it--"Whispers"!  Gets the job done! :LolLolLolLol:

.....another thing is the top and bottom don't match up, it was cut to fit. And usually when they refer to something as being "two pages" don't they mean "front/back"?...not top/bottom? :icon_e_confused:
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Post by: paula-c on December 26, 2012, 07:20:59 PM
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From the official MJ FB page, just now:

Promo Ads: Check out this two-page promo ad for the single “Stranger In Moscow”!
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/4863211015.jpg)


 :icon_e_biggrin: :icon_lol: :icon_albino:






This looks like a puzzle,..... TS and Front :icon_eek: :icon_geek: :confused:
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Post by: marumjj on December 26, 2012, 07:35:38 PM
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Just like the good-old days!  :icon_lol:
Countless countless times through these 3 1/2 years I'd find some pic and think, he looks different here. Then I couldn't resist pulling out pics to compare, and then every time--no, it's him but I can't put my finger on it.  It's almost like he has a putty face and can stretch and pull and do things to slightly alter things. But they are still him---same voice within reason, since he could talk with several tones of voice, same mannerisms, personality, body walk, etc.

The only thing I'm always brought back to is the movie Prestige, where in the end we find he did the disappearing acts because he had a twin, hidden all through the years, than had even chopped off one finger to look the same.  We've discussed so many times whether the Jackson's, before they were famous, could have hidden a twin that no one would know about. Then to co-ordinate the 2 all through the years so they are never seen by the wrong people.  Then it would be that one of the twins actually died on June 25, no DWD, but KJ's real son.  Then this is no hoax.  And for all those who love him, we would grieve somewhat, but rejoice that we still have one left, because if they were twins, they are so completely indistinguishable one from the other, that we love them equally!

I thought many many times about that scenario, but I simply cannot see how that could have been carried out, when so many thousands of people were involved in his life all the time.  And where did that other one go, when the main one had things happening--Neverland, Lisa, PPB, road-shows. The co-ordination would be unimaginable. I know we talked of KJ maybe being pregnant when MJ was born, so MJ's birthdate was wrong, the whole thing with Brandon--Marlon's twin, young MJ with the cheek scar and the other not, on and on.  But the conclusion I came to was that MJ has planned for 20+ years to fool us, and wants us to think that there are 2 of him, an illusion by means of surgery, make-up, weight gain/loss, 2 middle names, well-staged pics with lighting, heels or not, wigs, some usage of doubles to mislead but who up close never look much like MJ, on and on.  He truly is a MASTER illusionist!  It's never been done on this scale.  He literally has the whole world fooled, his fans, and perhaps even most hard-core hoaxers. But this is just my opinion.  And yes, it has kept me awake at night--thanks MJ!  :icon_lol: I love you anyway!  :icon_razz:

MJonmind, your theory about a possible twin COULD explain the quote on the This Is It-album: '   I always found it very weird, like: Which brother do you mean Mike?? You have five of them!
The twin-theory goes beyond my imagination, but hey this whole hoax does!
For the record, in my previous post, I was concluding that I do NOT think MJ had a twin, or look-alike brother.  I think it's all MJ, with myriad changes applied--make-up, photo-shop, age, weight, lighting, surgery, etc.

I do not believe in the theory of twin brothers, I feel horrible, think of a twin hidden and used only when needed.
regarding the appointment of MJ 'Always great to sing with my brother'.

 (. wikipedia)

The press release announcing the two-disc album describes it as supporting a "single companion" to the film.
The first disc consists of some of Jackson's biggest hits from his 1982 album, Thriller, his 1987 album, Bad, his 1991 album, Dangerous, until 1995 album, HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I, arranged in the same order in which they appear in the film, and ends with two versions of the previously unreleased song "This Is it". The first is "This Is It" accompanied by members of The Jacksons and the second version is "This Is It" which includes an orchestra. The song also appears in the final sequence of the film's credits.


the strange thing is that he should have said "It's always good to sing with my brothers"
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 26, 2012, 07:37:34 PM
Only used when needed? Lol, who ever said that?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bonnie2013 on December 26, 2012, 07:39:48 PM
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1. Why isn't this Driver's licence signed by MJ and by the official who issued it?

2. Strange with the TMZ mark on it- looks like it was "issued" by TMZ...

2. Piece by piece Lightman will be revealed- wasn't that the quote by KO in TII?

3. My guess: Keeping us our toes, Michael. Santa Claus is coming to town.... :Pulling_hair:

Meanwhile on the subject of doubles/twins/clones etc  I count 6 members of the Jackson5 here....
 :WTF:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzPNoRjmE_E[/youtube]

Titania

There are six members in the video, because Randy is in the video. When the Jackson 5 left Motown for CBS records, Jermaine left the group, due to his marriage to Hazel Gordy. Once Jermain left, Randy took his place. The Jackson 5 had to change their name to The Jackson's when they signed to CBS, because when they originally signed to Motown, they gave Motown the ownership of the Jackson 5 band name. Sometime after all of this occurred, Jermaine rejoined the group - thus, 6 Jackson's. Hope that helps...  :icon_e_geek:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: paula-c on December 26, 2012, 07:42:06 PM
A brother can be a friend
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on December 26, 2012, 07:45:10 PM
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MJ was in Bahrain in July 2005. Probably got missed earlier.

He wasn't in LA getting his DL pic updated, he was in Bahrain. Strike 1 against this article/document.

It is quite obvious that TMZ puts emphasis on the trials and probably it has something to do with the FBI files in which I suppose both DLs were being documented.

According to these reports on date of DL issue, July 21 05, MJ would have been in Berlin to celebrate his father's birthday, but he had cancelled the trip.
http://www.contactmusic.com/news-article/jackson-apologises-for-berlin-no-show

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MICHAEL JACKSON's child molestation trial left him "torn apart", claims his brother JERMAINE.

http://www.contactmusic.com/news-article/jackson-torn-apart-by-trial

I was thinking, because MJ was exhausted and harassed after the trial in 2005, he needed rest and possibly he was using double passports and double DLs, authorized by the FBI in order to mislead the media and for protection against further harassments. So 2 DLs, one's legit which he was using to travel to f.i. Bahrain and the fake one was still in the US. (Though I don't know if that's possible)
This ID procedure could also have been used for the hoax too.

It seems to us that even 'legitimate' ID can't proove the 'real' person, especially because of photoshop, fake documents on internet etc. ..confusion, confusion :confused:

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Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bonnie2013 on December 26, 2012, 07:51:29 PM
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Whenever I hear talk of Michael having a twin, it makes me think of those rumors back in the day when they thought Michael and LaToya were the same person....

Or that Janet and Michael were the same person.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/242heft.gif)


Sorry, I don't buy the identical twin theory. 



I definitely do NOT buy the theory either... in order for this to happen to Jackson family would have to have known their children would have been famous and Michael would have been the most famous person EVER. It's impossible and sounds like something straight out of the Enquirer.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: marumjj on December 26, 2012, 07:52:51 PM
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A brother can be a friend

Paula do you mean? You think that if a twin brother?  :confused:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: paula-c on December 26, 2012, 08:04:55 PM

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A brother can be a friend

Paula do you mean? You think that if a twin brother? 




A twin brother?,  noooo, :icon_lol: at times when there is a great friendship between the people, they can refer to that friend as a brother or sister
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Andrea on December 26, 2012, 08:13:02 PM
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Promo Ads: Check out this two-page promo ad for the single “Stranger In Moscow”!
Single, showing 2 MJ's that are identical!  Too funny!
MJ, is that you!!  I love this weird way of communicating, as Front called it--"Whispers"!  Gets the job done! :LolLolLolLol:


That's what I was thinking too...2 MJ's pictured but really only one.  Now there's an illusion!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bec on December 26, 2012, 09:09:13 PM
Tis creepy how he does that.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 26, 2012, 10:00:39 PM
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i think we need a C(L)UE ...




MaryK
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From the official MJ FB page, just now:

Promo Ads: Check out this two-page promo ad for the single “Stranger In Moscow”!


 :icon_lol:  :icon_lol:  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on December 27, 2012, 12:35:13 AM
 :affraid: :LolLolLolLol: Thanks MJ.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on December 27, 2012, 10:32:46 AM
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Tis creepy how he does that.

What do you mean? what does "Tis" mean?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bec on December 27, 2012, 10:40:49 AM
Tis= "it is", and it's creepy how the MJ FB posts mirror our convos.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: suspicious mind on December 27, 2012, 11:38:18 AM
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A brother can be a friend

Paula do you mean? You think that if a twin brother? 




A twin brother?,  noooo, :icon_lol: at times when there is a great friendship between the people, they can refer to that friend as a brother or sister

Christians will sometimes refer to themselves as brothers and sisters in Chirst
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Do on December 27, 2012, 12:03:23 PM
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MJonmind, your theory about a possible twin COULD explain the quote on the This Is It-album: ' Always great to sing with my brother'. I always found it very weird, like: Which brother do you mean Mike?? You have five of them!
The twin-theory goes beyond my imagination, but hey this whole hoax does!
For the record, in my previous post, I was concluding that I do NOT think MJ had a twin, or look-alike brother.  I think it's all MJ, with myriad changes applied--make-up, photo-shop, age, weight, lighting, surgery, etc.

I DID understand from your post that you don't support the twin-theory, but your description about your previous doubts about it, reminded me of what was printed on the cd-jacket. Nothing more. I'm sorry If I came across otherwise, wasn't my intention!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: SimPattyK on December 27, 2012, 12:36:16 PM
There was a period of time when I was considering the possibility of Michael having a twin brother. I was fascinated by Flem's videos on Youtube...
But in time, I realized it can't be true.

And while I don't believe in the twin-theory, I DO believe that Michael used plenty of doubles/impersonators all these years. And God knows he needed that! for all the reasons in the world!!

The doubles/impersonators would explain Flem's discovery of possibly 3 Michael(s) in the Bashit interview ("Living with Michael Jackson")  :icon_lol: Even though this video maker was using those evident differences in the Michael(s) shown  in that interview in order to prove her twin-theory, I think it was impersonators that we saw. At one point in that interview, even the dumbo-Bashit noticed this and said something to the effect of: "It was not the same Michael Jackson I had met few months ago" loll  :icon_lol:

Michael is the biggest hoaxer/prankster ever!!! He tricked us all! and played the hardest tricks on the media! Well done!! Smooth "Criminal"  :michael-jackson:

---> https://www.facebook.com/groups/192105507492400/?ref=ts&fref=ts

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/doubles.jpg)



PS: the TMZ title "Stone faced" ... makes me think of Stone Henge...especially after reading that site about the galactic alignment posted by @TouchedByAnAngel ( http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23523.250.html )
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: gwynned on December 27, 2012, 01:12:56 PM
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There was a period of time when I was considering the possibility of Michael having a twin brother. I was fascinated by Flem's videos on Youtube...
But in time, I realized it can't be true.

And while I don't believe in the twin-theory, I DO believe that Michael used plenty of doubles/impersonators all these years. And God knows he needed that! for all the reasons in the world!!

The doubles/impersonators would explain Flem's discovery of possibly 3 Michael(s) in the Bashit interview ("Living with Michael Jackson")  :icon_lol: Even though this video maker was using those evident differences in the Michael(s) shown  in that interview in order to prove her twin-theory, I think it was impersonators that we saw. At one point in that interview, even the dumbo-Bashit noticed this and said something to the effect of: "It was not the same Michael Jackson I had met few months ago" loll  :icon_lol:

Michael is the biggest hoaxer/prankster ever!!! He tricked us all! and played the hardest tricks on the media! Well done!! Smooth "Criminal"  :michael-jackson:

---> https://www.facebook.com/groups/192105507492400/?ref=ts&fref=ts

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/doubles.jpg)



PS: the TMZ title "Stone faced" ... makes me think of Stone Henge...especially after reading that site about the galactic alignment posted by @TouchedByAnAngel ( http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23523.250.html )

I agree with you about the twin theory and that Flem series may have been a red herring.  Besides, how could we possibly get excited that Michael is alive if it's because his twin is dead? 

BTW, this comment from Bashit (!) convinces me he was in on this and was reading from a script.  He can't not have known that this impersonator was not Michael.  On screen, we could be fooled, but not someone who saw him day in and day out.  Nothing is ever as it seems, is it?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: SimPattyK on December 27, 2012, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: gwynned
BTW, this comment from Bashit (!) convinces me he was in on this and was reading from a script.  He can't not have known that this impersonator was not Michael.  On screen, we could be fooled, but not someone who saw him day in and day out.  Nothing is ever as it seems, is it?
Now THAT ^^ is a whole different debate! Glad you mentioned it gwyn  :icon_e_wink:
So besides the twin-theory vs doubles-theory, there is also
Bashit in on it vs. Bashit being punked ! ---> I don't know what to think anymore! Sometimes I think he was part of it, sometimes I think he has always been with the bad guys! Very intriguing and confusing!!



Regarding the TMZ article...yesterday on tweeter, Harvey was curious what people think about it lmao  :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/tmzdriwfw.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: SimPattyK on December 27, 2012, 01:45:54 PM
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[...]
Michael is the biggest hoaxer/prankster ever!!!
He tricked us all! and played the hardest tricks on the media! Well done!! Smooth "Criminal"  :michael-jackson:
[...]
:thjajaja121: I love you Michael  :bearhug:

---> https://www.facebook.com/michaeljackson?ref=ts&fref=ts

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjfbsmooth.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on December 27, 2012, 02:27:02 PM
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[...]
Michael is the biggest hoaxer/prankster ever!!!
He tricked us all! and played the hardest tricks on the media! Well done!! Smooth "Criminal"  :michael-jackson:
[...]
:thjajaja121: I love you Michael  :bearhug:

---> https://www.facebook.com/michaeljackson?ref=ts&fref=ts

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjfbsmooth.jpg)

Who do you think is behind MJ's Facebook, his State or himself? because I definitely love it!  :michael_jackson-1135:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: titania on December 27, 2012, 08:40:10 PM
THE RIDDLER

Like any truly inspiring teacher who wants to impact his students, Michael's methods in molding our creative process were inconspicous. One of his most ingenious moves was to pose cryptic questions, sending us on a wild goose chase to solve riddles. We could tell he thought it was humorous to puzzle us. Andf in a sense, this mindbending game was one of the best ways we learned from Michael. Only we didn't know it at the time.

Michael Bush, The King of Style, p 19.

This quote intrigues me no end.....Hmmmm. wonder why? :screaming-7365: :omg: :LolLolLolLol:

Titania
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ellyd on December 28, 2012, 01:03:05 AM
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I do not exclude potential identity theft from the list of motivations for a crime or for the hoax.

This came out following our discussion about MJ's DL:

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Elvis Presley, The Beatles top list of most-forged autographs

By Eric Kelsey

LOS ANGELES | Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:41pm EST

(Reuters) - Elvis Presley and The Beatles top the list of most-forged celebrity signatures in 2012, with less than half of their autographs for sale certified as genuine, memorabilia authenticators PSA/DNA said on Thursday.

The King and The Fab Four British rockers, who topped the list two years ago when it was last released, joined notable figures such as former U.S. President John F. Kennedy and late pop star Michael Jackson on the list of most-forged celebrity signatures.

Late American astronaut Neil Armstrong landed at No. 3 on the list, after fake Armstrong signatures rose significantly after his death in July.

One reason forgeries of Armstrong's autograph soared was that he rarely signed for fans during his life, Joe Orlando, president of Newport Beach-based PSA/DNA, told Reuters.

"Armstrong is someone who is very conscious of the value of his own autograph," Orlando said. "Even before he passed away he was very tough to get...It really heightens the level of his market."

Secretaries and assistants responding to huge volumes of fan mail are one reason for fake signatures floating through the marketplace, said Margaret Barrett, director of entertainment and music memorabilia at Heritage Auctions in Los Angeles.

"Back in the day, the kids would write to the movie studios," Barrett said.

"There was absolutely no financial gain 50 years ago and secretaries and assistants just wanted to make them happy. A lot of times people stumble upon an old box of signed photographs in grandma's attic and don't know they're forged."

Barrett, whose specialty is late Hollywood actress Marilyn Monroe's autographs, said that official documents such as contracts and checks are reliable sources to verify whether or not a signature is forged.

"A good rule of thumb is to compare it a signed contract," she said. "Sometimes (celebrities) would have secretaries or other sign photos and letters but they couldn't have a contract signed by a proxy."

(Reporting by Eric Kelsey, editing by Piya Sinha-Roy and Cynthia Osterman)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/28/entertainment-us-forgedautographs-idUSBRE8BR01L20121228?feedType=RSS&feedName=entertainmentNews (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/28/entertainment-us-forgedautographs-idUSBRE8BR01L20121228?feedType=RSS&feedName=entertainmentNews)

Taking this point and getting it together with other aspects makes a lot of sense.
* The autopsy report missing important details as to identification of the body (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,11440.msg189696.html#msg189696 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,11440.msg189696.html#msg189696)),

* NoI involvement in identity theft (http://www.billboard.com/column/the-juice/man-connected-to-the-notorious-b-i-g-s-murder-1005263862.story#/column/the-juice/man-connected-to-the-notorious-b-i-g-s-murder-1005263862.story (http://www.billboard.com/column/the-juice/man-connected-to-the-notorious-b-i-g-s-murder-1005263862.story#/column/the-juice/man-connected-to-the-notorious-b-i-g-s-murder-1005263862.story))

* Arnie Klein proclaiming identity theft ("it wasn't me", http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23315.msg423938.html#msg423938 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23315.msg423938.html#msg423938), http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,18866.msg325660.html#msg325660 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,18866.msg325660.html#msg325660)) and

* our discussions about the will's date,

* AEG's letter of intent made believe to look like a contract and

* different MJ signatures.

I don't think forging signatures is only a matter for making money in auctions.
The bigger fish is insurance and contract fraud.

What if this was exactly the case that "could not happen"?
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"A good rule of thumb is to compare it a signed contract," she said. "Sometimes (celebrities) would have secretaries or other sign photos and letters but they couldn't have a contract signed by a proxy."
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MJonmind on December 28, 2012, 01:16:07 AM
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THE RIDDLER

Like any truly inspiring teacher who wants to impact his students, Michael's methods in molding our creative process were inconspicous. One of his most ingenious moves was to pose cryptic questions, sending us on a wild goose chase to solve riddles. We could tell he thought it was humorous to puzzle us. Andf in a sense, this mindbending game was one of the best ways we learned from Michael. Only we didn't know it at the time.

Michael Bush, The King of Style, p 19.

This quote intrigues me no end.....Hmmmm. wonder why? :screaming-7365: :omg: :LolLolLolLol:

Titania
:omg:  I can't believe it!
Okay, that does it.  I am absolutely convinced that Front and TS are one and the same.
I know he said he was not MJ, but I think when he lies, he does it for hoax purposes.  He's said many times, he wants us not to just go by his words, but by the evidence. Well the evidence is loud and clear to me.

Do, we’re good ,  :beerchug: :bearhug:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cudiB-AbcIs/TGIeIIcM6FI/AAAAAAAAAzg/JzUIQJyPtpo/s1600/MJ+2003+Bashir+1.JPG)
(http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Fans-Struggle-to-Keep-Michael-Jackson-Slanderous-Documentary-Off-German-TV-2.jpg)
(http://kingmichaeljosephjackson.com/images/video_thumbs/LIVING_WITH_MICHAEL-JACKSON_2003.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xsViEJiuFO0/Tp0YyRF4yxI/AAAAAAAAClU/3YxQZRKffFw/s1600/MJ+2002+Bashir+Interview.jpg)
(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/martin_bashir_-_michael_jackson.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/29/article-1196188-058088BD000005DC-976_468x332.jpg)

Sim, IMO, these are all Michael.  But he is definitely doing deliberate things to give the impression of doubles.
Notice difference hair-lines, eyebrows darker/lighter, beard/shaven, different usage of eye and lip make-up, weight gain/loss, lighting, etc. He also tries to act differently in personality.  I think he's in total hoax modus operandi. And what you said:
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At one point in that interview, even the dumbo-Bashit noticed this and said something to the effect of: "It was not the same Michael Jackson I had met few months ago"
Sometimes I think Bashir's in, but mostly I think MJ had him totally and genuinely baffled.  Just think how he's baffled millions of his fans who think they've followed him forever, and know everything (think he's dead).  In the second pic of him in the green shirt, look what's going on with his hair pushed back revealing is it shaved skin or hair make-up. It's downright  :icon_lol: :icon_eek: :icon_e_confused: :icon_razz:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MJonmind on December 28, 2012, 02:17:33 AM
Ellyd,
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* AEG's letter of intent made believe to look like a contract and

* different MJ signatures.

I don't think forging signatures is only a matter for making money in auctions.
The bigger fish is insurance and contract fraud.

What if this was exactly the case that "could not happen"?
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"A good rule of thumb is to compare it a signed contract," she said. "Sometimes (celebrities) would have secretaries or other sign photos and letters but they couldn't have a contract signed by a proxy."
Do you mean others signing Michael on some contract, and then suing him for not carrying through?  I think he was being pressured all the time to sign contracts, and people claiming to have done work for him, but he never hired them. Leeches.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: titania on December 28, 2012, 04:31:42 AM
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THE RIDDLER

Like any truly inspiring teacher who wants to impact his students, Michael's methods in molding our creative process were inconspicous. One of his most ingenious moves was to pose cryptic questions, sending us on a wild goose chase to solve riddles. We could tell he thought it was humorous to puzzle us. Andf in a sense, this mindbending game was one of the best ways we learned from Michael. Only we didn't know it at the time.

Michael Bush, The King of Style, p 19.

This quote intrigues me no end.....Hmmmm. wonder why? :screaming-7365: :omg: :LolLolLolLol:

Titania
:omg:  I can't believe it!
Okay, that does it.  I am absolutely convinced that Front and TS are one and the same.
I know he said he was not MJ, but I think when he lies, he does it for hoax purposes.  He's said many times, he wants us not to just go by his words, but by the evidence. Well the evidence is loud and clear to me.

Do, we’re good ,  :beerchug: :bearhug:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cudiB-AbcIs/TGIeIIcM6FI/AAAAAAAAAzg/JzUIQJyPtpo/s1600/MJ+2003+Bashir+1.JPG)
(http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Fans-Struggle-to-Keep-Michael-Jackson-Slanderous-Documentary-Off-German-TV-2.jpg)
(http://kingmichaeljosephjackson.com/images/video_thumbs/LIVING_WITH_MICHAEL-JACKSON_2003.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xsViEJiuFO0/Tp0YyRF4yxI/AAAAAAAAClU/3YxQZRKffFw/s1600/MJ+2002+Bashir+Interview.jpg)
(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/martin_bashir_-_michael_jackson.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/29/article-1196188-058088BD000005DC-976_468x332.jpg)

Sim, IMO, these are all Michael.  But he is definitely doing deliberate things to give the impression of doubles.
Notice difference hair-lines, eyebrows darker/lighter, beard/shaven, different usage of eye and lip make-up, weight gain/loss, lighting, etc. He also tries to act differently in personality.  I think he's in total hoax modus operandi. And what you said:
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At one point in that interview, even the dumbo-Bashit noticed this and said something to the effect of: "It was not the same Michael Jackson I had met few months ago"
Sometimes I think Bashir's in, but mostly I think MJ had him totally and genuinely baffled.  Just think how he's baffled millions of his fans who think they've followed him forever, and know everything (think he's dead).  In the second pic of him in the green shirt, look what's going on with his hair pushed back revealing is it shaved skin or hair make-up. It's downright  :icon_lol: :icon_eek: :icon_e_confused: :icon_razz:

Thanks for posting these photos of MJ from the Batshit interviews. They show us clearly a Master at work, a Master who used/is using his face as a work of art.

He is darned cheeky in pic 2 with the maroon shirt where he reveals he is in makeup... Incidentally, wasn't it in that conversation that MJ spoke elatedly of wanting x number of spotlights on him when he was in bed? Great sendup of celebrity ego mania. ain't it?

Whether Batshit was in on it or not is so hard to tell... :Pulling_hair:

Remember how different he looks on all the album covers! He was such a visual artist even way back in time...

 PT BARNUM was MJ's idol and MJ's life is still the greatest show on earth...

We are beautifully BAMboozled by the KIng of Ingenuity! :michael_jackson-1135:

Titania
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 28, 2012, 04:48:31 AM
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THE RIDDLER

Like any truly inspiring teacher who wants to impact his students, Michael's methods in molding our creative process were inconspicous. One of his most ingenious moves was to pose cryptic questions, sending us on a wild goose chase to solve riddles. We could tell he thought it was humorous to puzzle us. Andf in a sense, this mindbending game was one of the best ways we learned from Michael. Only we didn't know it at the time.

Michael Bush, The King of Style, p 19.

This quote intrigues me no end.....Hmmmm. wonder why? :screaming-7365: :omg: :LolLolLolLol:

Titania

this speaks volumes ... thank you titania :)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Jowayria on December 28, 2012, 05:06:42 AM
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THE RIDDLER

Like any truly inspiring teacher who wants to impact his students, Michael's methods in molding our creative process were inconspicous. One of his most ingenious moves was to pose cryptic questions, sending us on a wild goose chase to solve riddles. We could tell he thought it was humorous to puzzle us. Andf in a sense, this mindbending game was one of the best ways we learned from Michael. Only we didn't know it at the time.

Michael Bush, The King of Style, p 19.

This quote intrigues me no end.....Hmmmm. wonder why? :screaming-7365: :omg: :LolLolLolLol:

Titania
:omg:  I can't believe it!
Okay, that does it.  I am absolutely convinced that Front and TS are one and the same.
I know he said he was not MJ, but I think when he lies, he does it for hoax purposes.  He's said many times, he wants us not to just go by his words, but by the evidence. Well the evidence is loud and clear to me.

Do, we’re good ,  :beerchug: :bearhug:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cudiB-AbcIs/TGIeIIcM6FI/AAAAAAAAAzg/JzUIQJyPtpo/s1600/MJ+2003+Bashir+1.JPG)
(http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Fans-Struggle-to-Keep-Michael-Jackson-Slanderous-Documentary-Off-German-TV-2.jpg)
(http://kingmichaeljosephjackson.com/images/video_thumbs/LIVING_WITH_MICHAEL-JACKSON_2003.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xsViEJiuFO0/Tp0YyRF4yxI/AAAAAAAAClU/3YxQZRKffFw/s1600/MJ+2002+Bashir+Interview.jpg)
(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/martin_bashir_-_michael_jackson.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/29/article-1196188-058088BD000005DC-976_468x332.jpg)

Sim, IMO, these are all Michael.  But he is definitely doing deliberate things to give the impression of doubles.
Notice difference hair-lines, eyebrows darker/lighter, beard/shaven, different usage of eye and lip make-up, weight gain/loss, lighting, etc. He also tries to act differently in personality.  I think he's in total hoax modus operandi. And what you said:
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At one point in that interview, even the dumbo-Bashit noticed this and said something to the effect of: "It was not the same Michael Jackson I had met few months ago"
Sometimes I think Bashir's in, but mostly I think MJ had him totally and genuinely baffled.  Just think how he's baffled millions of his fans who think they've followed him forever, and know everything (think he's dead).  In the second pic of him in the green shirt, look what's going on with his hair pushed back revealing is it shaved skin or hair make-up. It's downright  :icon_lol: :icon_eek: :icon_e_confused: :icon_razz:

Interesting  theory !  :th_bravo: I believe that Michael fooled all of us but I  don't think  that he "never" used doubles .. Why would he have them if he was never to use them ?

@Titania Thank youu
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: wendst7 on December 28, 2012, 06:17:58 AM
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I give up, I guess it's too much out of the box for people. I tried 3 years ago and got the same responses. I see two different MJ's, it's not only obvious in pictures and videos, but in many lyrics as well. Just as the signatures on the AEG contract, the LA / NYC mystery and so much more. I don't believe either of them died BTW, so that to me is not a problem. We'll see.

Yes, i agree

But, why Michael himself says in the video that he has 6 brothers?

1:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9eH9XsM2Mw

And do you remember?

(http://www.abload.de/img/joe1958-joseph1958-20lkupm.jpg) (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=joe1958-joseph1958-20lkupm.jpg)

I know it is unimaginable. But nothing is impossible. :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 28, 2012, 07:36:32 AM
Well he did have a brother before him that died after birth. Maybe he's talking about him.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: suspicious mind on December 28, 2012, 07:33:42 PM
unless it's a half brother. did he happen to suggest how many sisters he had?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: mattie on December 29, 2012, 10:49:17 AM
I dont post much..because i dont know how to write most of what i am thinking..and what i think i see from the beginning of the hoax.
I write it in Dutch..maybe someone wil translate it for me?

Vanaf het begin zie ik wat Souza ziet..en wat mensen ook zeggen met andere hoek van fotograferen..of foto shop??
Ik zie gewoon bij geen enkele beroemdheid deze constante verschillen.
In de video Bad zie ik verder in de video een andere Michael.

Bijvoorbeeld een paar dagen geleden zag ik weer deze vergelijking voorbij komen (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/download/file.php?id=8443&t=1)
Waarom als het fotoshop is maken ze de kin 2 x zo lang..als dit geen foto schop is krijgt geen andere hoek of belichting voor elkaar wat hier te zien is naar mijn idee?
Iets verschil ja..maar dit.
En wat ik me ook afvraag..hoe doet men dat met bewijs zoeken ivm criminaliteit dmv bewakings- camera's??
Als men alles kan weg redeneren door verkeerde hoek..belichting etc..heeft het dus ook totaal geen zin om dat nog te gebruiken. want dan kan het iedereen zijn behalve de dader?
ik heb 0,0 verstand van Foto..grafie/shop..maar ik vind het hoogst verwarrend..en ik blijf in ieder geval minstens 2 verschillende Michaels zien..ook in gedrag/uitstraling.

Ondanks dat ik hier mensen aan het werk zie die me blijven verbazen..en ik veel respect heb voor alle knappe koppen hier..ik kan ze soms moeilijk volgen(gaat boven mijn petje) :icon_e_geek:
Ze hebben mij niet kunnen overtuigen van het tegendeel..ik begrijp soms ook niet dat ze het ondanks dat het zo duidelijk is weg redeneren..
Sorry..wil niemand tegen de haren strijken..maar ik wou dit toch eens kwijt.
Ik blijf toch zien wat ik zie!
Groetjes Mattie.

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: wishingstar on December 29, 2012, 11:00:42 AM
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I dont post much..because i dont know how to write most of what i am thinking..and what i think i see from the beginning of the hoax.
I write it in Dutch..maybe someone wil translate it for me?

Vanaf het begin zie ik wat Souza ziet..en wat mensen ook zeggen met andere hoek van fotograferen..of foto shop??
Ik zie gewoon bij geen enkele beroemdheid deze constante verschillen.
In de video Bad zie ik verder in de video een andere Michael.

Bijvoorbeeld een paar dagen geleden zag ik weer deze vergelijking voorbij komen (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/download/file.php?id=8443&t=1)
Waarom als het fotoshop is maken ze de kin 2 x zo lang..als dit geen foto schop is krijgt geen andere hoek of belichting voor elkaar wat hier te zien is naar mijn idee?
Iets verschil ja..maar dit.
En wat ik me ook afvraag..hoe doet men dat met bewijs zoeken ivm criminaliteit dmv bewakings- camera's??
Als men alles kan weg redeneren door verkeerde hoek..belichting etc..heeft het dus ook totaal geen zin om dat nog te gebruiken. want dan kan het iedereen zijn behalve de dader?
ik heb 0,0 verstand van Foto..grafie/shop..maar ik vind het hoogst verwarrend..en ik blijf in ieder geval minstens 2 verschillende Michaels zien..ook in gedrag/uitstraling.

Ondanks dat ik hier mensen aan het werk zie die me blijven verbazen..en ik veel respect heb voor alle knappe koppen hier..ik kan ze soms moeilijk volgen(gaat boven mijn petje) :icon_e_geek:
Ze hebben mij niet kunnen overtuigen van het tegendeel..ik begrijp soms ook niet dat ze het ondanks dat het zo duidelijk is weg redeneren..
Sorry..wil niemand tegen de haren strijken..maar ik wou dit toch eens kwijt.
Ik blijf toch zien wat ik zie!
Groetjes Mattie.

per Google translate:

From the beginning, I see what looks Souza .. and what people say with different angle of shooting .. or photo shop??
I just see no celebrity at this constant differences.
In the video Bad I see more in the video a different Michael.

For example, a few days ago I saw again this equation pass
Why when the photo shop is they make the chin .. 2 x as long as this is not a picture shovel is getting no angle or lighting for each other what you see here in my idea?
Yes .. but this little difference.
And what I also wonder .. how does one find that evidence related crime through surveillance cameras??
If everything can explain away by wrong angle .. lighting etc.. Has therefore absolutely no sense to still use. because it could be anyone except the perpetrator?
I have 0.0 sense of Foto..grafie / shop..maar I find it very confusing .. and I remain at least at least 2 different Michaels see .. also in behavior / appearance.

Although I see people at work that continue to amaze me .. and I have great respect for all smart people here .. I can sometimes be difficult to follow (overrides my hat)
They did not convince me to the contrary .. I understand sometimes not think she even though it is so clear away reasoning ..
Sorry .. no intention to hair iron .. but I wanted to do once lost.
I still see what I see!
Greetings Mattie.

http://translate.google.com/

Have a great day : )
een geweldige dag

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: mattie on December 29, 2012, 11:23:08 AM
Thank you verry much Wishingstar..for trying to help.
and for you too a verry great day!


But you see why i did not used this.
The translation is so bad,i cant even read what i wrote myself   :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: wishingstar on December 29, 2012, 12:09:17 PM
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Thank you verry much Wishingstar..for trying to help.
and for you too a verry great day!


But you see why i did not used this.
The translation is so bad,i cant even read what i wrote myself   :LolLolLolLol:

LOL...yeah, I read that, but still, I believe I understood what you were saying.......
I actually love that last line:

I still see what I see!

I think it fits perfectly, this entire adventure.  People will see things differently, understand things differently,
and share things in different ways.  We all see what we see.......I would venture a guess that's how Michael
likes things to be.  It's when we all come together, respect each other's views, and share what we see....that
the magic happens.   I think these are wonderful words, Mattie.....keep on writing : )
Blessings to you always!
LOVE
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: mattie on December 29, 2012, 01:05:35 PM
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Thank you verry much Wishingstar..for trying to help.
and for you too a verry great day!


But you see why i did not used this.
The translation is so bad,i cant even read what i wrote myself   :LolLolLolLol:

LOL...yeah, I read that, but still, I believe I understood what you were saying.......
I actually love that last line:

I still see what I see!

I think it fits perfectly, this entire adventure.  People will see things differently, understand things differently,
and share things in different ways.  We all see what we see.......I would venture a guess that's how Michael
likes things to be.  It's when we all come together, respect each other's views, and share what we see....that
the magic happens.   I think these are wonderful words, Mattie.....keep on writing : )
Blessings to you always!
LOVE

thank you Wishingstar.
Blessings to you too..and it was verry nice talking to you. :)
And even if i am not posting much..i am here every day..From the beginning for more than 3 years now.
And i wil be here til the end.. and ready if needed! :icon_cool:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: voiceforthesilent on December 29, 2012, 07:52:55 PM
Hi Matte - welcome (even though you are not really new here) :)

I understood what you were trying to say as well and like Wishingstar, I loved the last line too. But, I do agree with the rest too - I see two different Michael's in those pictures and I have a hard time believing it's all in the angle of the picture taking. However, the explanation that Michael was using his face as a work of art and was actually changing it through makeup, lighting, etc., well, maybe. But even so, some of the pictures above I feel are definitely Michael and the others I'm not so convinced of. How did Michael change his weight so quickly? And what happened to the scar on his chin? Some pictures it's there and some it's not. We've gone down this dark road before but hopefully in the end we will all know the truth about the ever changing features of MJ. Was it or wasn't it always him?

Blessings

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 29, 2012, 09:55:08 PM
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I dont post much..because i dont know how to write most of what i am thinking..and what i think i see from the beginning of the hoax.
I write it in Dutch..maybe someone wil translate it for me?

Vanaf het begin zie ik wat Souza ziet..en wat mensen ook zeggen met andere hoek van fotograferen..of foto shop??
Ik zie gewoon bij geen enkele beroemdheid deze constante verschillen.
In de video Bad zie ik verder in de video een andere Michael.

Bijvoorbeeld een paar dagen geleden zag ik weer deze vergelijking voorbij komen (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/download/file.php?id=8443&t=1)
Waarom als het fotoshop is maken ze de kin 2 x zo lang..als dit geen foto schop is krijgt geen andere hoek of belichting voor elkaar wat hier te zien is naar mijn idee?
Iets verschil ja..maar dit.
En wat ik me ook afvraag..hoe doet men dat met bewijs zoeken ivm criminaliteit dmv bewakings- camera's??
Als men alles kan weg redeneren door verkeerde hoek..belichting etc..heeft het dus ook totaal geen zin om dat nog te gebruiken. want dan kan het iedereen zijn behalve de dader?
ik heb 0,0 verstand van Foto..grafie/shop..maar ik vind het hoogst verwarrend..en ik blijf in ieder geval minstens 2 verschillende Michaels zien..ook in gedrag/uitstraling.

Ondanks dat ik hier mensen aan het werk zie die me blijven verbazen..en ik veel respect heb voor alle knappe koppen hier..ik kan ze soms moeilijk volgen(gaat boven mijn petje) :icon_e_geek:
Ze hebben mij niet kunnen overtuigen van het tegendeel..ik begrijp soms ook niet dat ze het ondanks dat het zo duidelijk is weg redeneren..
Sorry..wil niemand tegen de haren strijken..maar ik wou dit toch eens kwijt.
Ik blijf toch zien wat ik zie!
Groetjes Mattie.

Ok, normal translate for the record:

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since the beginning I see what Souza sees..whatever people say with different lightning and angles..or Photoshop??
I just don't see these constant differences with other celebrities.
In the BAD video I see a different Michael later on.

Afew days ago for example I saw this comparison again
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/download/file.php?id=8443&t=1)
If it's a Photoshop, why make the chin twice as long? And if it's not a photoshop then no angle would achieve what we see here to my honest opinion.
Some difference sure, but this?
And what I also wonder about..how do they do that then with searching for proof concerning criminality with security cameras?
If you can excuse everything with different angles/lightning, then it would be useless to use them. It could be anyone but the one that really did it.
I have zero knowledge of photography/Photoshop, but I find it highly confusing and I keep seeing at least 2 different Michaels, also in behaviour and expression.

Despite that, the people posting here keep amazing me and I have a lot of respect for the smart minds here, it's hard to follow them for me sometimes (it's beyond me) :icon_e_geek:
They have not been able to convince me otherwise and I also don't understand why they keep making excuses while it's so obvious.
Sorry, I don't want to anger people, but I just needed to say this.
I still see what I see!
Mattie.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 29, 2012, 10:08:11 PM
I agree with you Mattie. Photoshop is meant to make you look skinny on the cover of a magazine (which isn't really needed with MJ) and to make your skin smooth. A good photoshop does not change your complete face. Plus these pictures you posted are not shoots and I doubt photoshop is even involved.

I heard the excuse here that big eyed MJ had bigger eyes and a different chin because they were photoshoots. If people want to keep believing that then that's fine by me, but it's bs nevertheless. There is nothing wrong with the other ones eyes or chin and there is no need to make a completely different face. I am also not sure they were able to achieve that on a computer back in the 80's and even 70's where the difference already can be seen.

Oh and BTW: O2 dude is neither of the two. It baffles me that people think that is MJ. If he turns out to be either of the two MJ's in BAD, as Mattie pointed out, then I will eat my shoes... all of them.

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MJonmind on December 30, 2012, 02:23:40 AM
Souza
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Oh and BTW: O2 dude is neither of the two. It baffles me that people think that is MJ. If he turns out to be either of the two MJ's in BAD, as Mattie pointed out, then I will eat my shoes... all of them.
Shoes again! :icon_lol:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,22576.msg405157.html#msg405157

If it turns out there's 3 MJ's, I'm sure I will love all three equally.  I l-o-o-o-o-o-ve the way each of them talk, not at all the way the usual impersonators talk.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ellyd on December 30, 2012, 02:52:24 AM
If we believe this early seed has some meaning, then MJ Handsome was at O2 (the guy below in the comparison) with a rebuilt face but arthrosis stricken little finger. Pattern of handlines is close as well.
The pinkie is shorter either due to an accident or from providing bone for some other job.
You can rebuild faces, teeth and everything that carries fat tissue like heels but fingers are a real difficulty because any operation around phalanges would interfere with basic finger functions. There's no way to change fingers or handlines.

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/old_mjhd/mjhd/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/hand-compare-3.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/old_mjhd/mjhd/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/hand-compare-2.jpg)
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/old_mjhd/index_37.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/old_mjhd/index_37.html)

(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2168/michaelpeh.jpg)

(http://en.michaeljackson.ro/photo/michael-leaves-london-heathrow-airport(268)-m-11.jpg)

(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3093/michaeljacksonshands6ho.jpg)

(http://www.weeklyblitz.net/pics/268.jpg)

(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/32600000/Michaels-magical-hands-michael-jackson-32685019-562-720.jpg)

The other hand:
(http://i40.tinypic.com/14p5li.png)

And this is MJ Handsome in October 2008 shopping in LA. I don't see so much difference from O2 guy.
(http://blindie.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/michael_jackson.jpg)

(http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/images/stories/newsx/200903/speech1.jpg)

(http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Announces+Plans+Summer+Residency+-cmfYG0RUjTl.jpg)

(http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Announces+Plans+Summer+Residency+FwxP6eFyHwyl.jpg)

Short chin MJ Roe-Eye (Big-Eye) was not the one at O2.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: mattie on December 30, 2012, 07:00:57 AM
Thank you Souza..I wanted to say this for such a long time. :) but my difficulty in finding the words.

I dont believe O2 guy is Michael either.
Remember as if it was yesterday wen he did the anouncement at the O2 arena.
I was in the kitchen and froze wen i saw him..thinking who is this person how he looked like and his behavior.
This made me allert..and that is why i end up here,because wen he ,,died,,i knew something was not wright. The rest is history..
I am still here.. now even stronger in my believe after all i saw and read!

Last i want to wish a verry good and happy New Year for all of you.
With or without the Bam in the next few days..i am here til the end!
Mattie

hello Voiceforsilent.
Thank you for your respons also(i get better writing hahaha..)
But to tell you the truth..i have my questions on the make up also sometimes.
but i still have questions about lots like all of us i think.
Have a verry nice day(to all)

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 30, 2012, 07:13:11 AM
ellyd, that's not the same hands for sure. O2 dude is a white guy, no doubt.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: katooooooo on December 30, 2012, 07:20:43 AM
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I agree with you Mattie. Photoshop is meant to make you look skinny on the cover of a magazine (which isn't really needed with MJ) and to make your skin smooth. A good photoshop does not change your complete face. Plus these pictures you posted are not shoots and I doubt photoshop is even involved.

I just want to say that photoshop is not just for that. You can create too :) One of my friend create portrait with photoshop. In college I learned it for 2 years and I hate it lol
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 30, 2012, 07:29:05 AM
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I agree with you Mattie. Photoshop is meant to make you look skinny on the cover of a magazine (which isn't really needed with MJ) and to make your skin smooth. A good photoshop does not change your complete face. Plus these pictures you posted are not shoots and I doubt photoshop is even involved.

I just want to say that photoshop is not just for that. You can create too :) One of my friend create portrait with photoshop. In college I learned it for 2 years and I hate it lol

I know you can create. My point is why should you create?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: katooooooo on December 30, 2012, 07:32:51 AM
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I agree with you Mattie. Photoshop is meant to make you look skinny on the cover of a magazine (which isn't really needed with MJ) and to make your skin smooth. A good photoshop does not change your complete face. Plus these pictures you posted are not shoots and I doubt photoshop is even involved.

I just want to say that photoshop is not just for that. You can create too :) One of my friend create portrait with photoshop. In college I learned it for 2 years and I hate it lol

I know you can create. My point is why should you create?

IMO, and i'm just guessing, Just like MJ and the oxygen chamber, MJ and the elephant man, MJ bleeching his skin. Why not continue the mystery around MJ :)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 30, 2012, 07:35:19 AM
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I agree with you Mattie. Photoshop is meant to make you look skinny on the cover of a magazine (which isn't really needed with MJ) and to make your skin smooth. A good photoshop does not change your complete face. Plus these pictures you posted are not shoots and I doubt photoshop is even involved.

I just want to say that photoshop is not just for that. You can create too :) One of my friend create portrait with photoshop. In college I learned it for 2 years and I hate it lol

I know you can create. My point is why should you create?

IMO, and i'm just guessing, Just like MJ and the oxygen chamber, MJ and the elephant man, MJ bleeching his skin. Why not continue the mystery around MJ :)

Well we'll see. But O2 dude is not MJ. It's O2 dude.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 30, 2012, 08:12:17 AM
Hey guys. I think you might be right. These are arm and hand prosthetics done by a makeup artist. It's possible. What caught my eye the most is the third picture and how it had black stuff on it, just like the person in the TII announcement thing.

(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb214/Vermthrax/ProstheticArm3.jpg)
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb214/Vermthrax/ProstheticArm1.jpg)
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb214/Vermthrax/ProstheticArm2.jpg)
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb214/Vermthrax/ProstheticHand3.jpg)
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb214/Vermthrax/ProstheticHand1.jpg)
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb214/Vermthrax/ProstheticHand2.jpg)

Hope yall find this useful hahaha.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Loveunited on December 30, 2012, 09:09:15 AM
From Mattie:

"I dont believe O2 guy is Michael either.
Remember as if it was yesterday wen he did the anouncement at the O2 arena.
I was in the kitchen and froze wen i saw him..thinking who is this person how he looked like and his behavior.
This made me allert..and that is why i end up here,because wen he ,died,I knew something was not wright. The rest is history"


Ditto Mattie, The 02 Announcement and a smile from Michael at the end of They Don't Really Care about US when clips were shown all over the news when he "died" (remember? "....and fade.... (smile)"  were the two things that just rang bells for me.  I also see very distinct people through the years, but gotta say I am baffeled, or BAMBOOZELED by it all!  Enjoying the show, for sure!!!!  The ingenuity just is so amazing!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bugsy on December 30, 2012, 09:20:45 AM
I remember when i saw the announcement, i was playing with my then 3 year old, i glanced up, looked back at my daughter then i did a double take because he looked so different but over this year i have seen one thing that is Michael....the smile... there is a certain angle when he turns his head slightly that his had since a kid and o2 Michael has that same smile... the same smile is in the Jackson 5 medley in this is it..when i can get on my comp ill do a montage of it.. if it was not for the smile i would be thinking the same

I have made a montage just got to wait until my adsl is back online.... i also cut out yhe hair and glasses from o2 guy and put them over a photo of Michael a few years earlier... the only difference i see in the pic chosen is...02 guy is more pinker due to red curtains and has for weight...not a boney in the overall face esp chin..i will post them for your opinions asap

(http://members.iinet.net.au/~pommy_angel/Michaelpics.jpg)

the only thing I did was black and white the two black and white pictures and simply cloned in Photoshop the glasses.. the sunglasses make big difference to Michael's appearance, that's my own personal thoughts.. keep in mind that the man is getting older, and hadn't been dancing for 10 years and so he would have gained some weight from those 10 years.. not much but it would be enough to add "fat cells" to places such as the chin. My daughter has two faces, she has one where she tucks her chin in and looks like she has two chins and she has a heart shape face when she isn't being Conscious of the photo being taken. Other than the chin which This is it, also shows the dimple in the chin as much indented. I believe it's michael. The way he speaks also sounds almost identical to the speak he made in i believe 2001.. the one with Al sharpton.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bec on December 30, 2012, 12:23:21 PM
For the record, I believe O2 guy=MJ. The dentition matches perfectly. Years ago I sought to prove O2 did not =MJ and ended up realizing he was in fact actually MJ by the end of the project. I see a match in the hand pics as well.

I think MJ played the part of his own impersonator.

In addition: why would an MJ impersonator not impersonate MJ in his body language as well as his appearance?

I think MJ played the part of his own BAD impersonator at the O2. (In other words, he played a person doing a poor job of impersonating himself). Because a genuine impersonator would do a better job of trying to ACT like MJ... since that's the point of an impersonator.... and O2 guy didn't even seem to TRY to act like MJ... rather, he acted like ELVIS (hint hint).
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on December 30, 2012, 12:29:21 PM
well, i hope that it would be the real Michael who's gonna BAM  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 30, 2012, 12:54:34 PM
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For the record, I believe O2 guy=MJ. The dentition matches perfectly. Years ago I sought to prove O2 did not =MJ and ended up realizing he was in fact actually MJ by the end of the project. I see a match in the hand pics as well.

I think MJ played the part of his own impersonator.

In addition: why would an MJ impersonator not impersonate MJ in his body language as well as his appearance?

I think MJ played the part of his own BAD impersonator at the O2. (In other words, he played a person doing a poor job of impersonating himself). Because a genuine impersonator would do a better job of trying to ACT like MJ... since that's the point of an impersonator.... and O2 guy didn't even seem to TRY to act like MJ... rather, he acted like ELVIS (hint hint).

Or maybe it was an impersonator trying to act like MJ acting like an impersonator O.o BAM! Hahahaha no in all seriousness, it could be MJ acting like an impersonator, you know change things up for a bit. He did say he liked to direct himself and in order to do that you need to act like someone else. Cause you can't direct yourself to be yourself. So maybe he's acting like an impersonator.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: gwynned on December 30, 2012, 01:10:46 PM
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For the record, I believe O2 guy=MJ. The dentition matches perfectly. Years ago I sought to prove O2 did not =MJ and ended up realizing he was in fact actually MJ by the end of the project. I see a match in the hand pics as well.

I think MJ played the part of his own impersonator.

In addition: why would an MJ impersonator not impersonate MJ in his body language as well as his appearance?

I think MJ played the part of his own BAD impersonator at the O2. (In other words, he played a person doing a poor job of impersonating himself). Because a genuine impersonator would do a better job of trying to ACT like MJ... since that's the point of an impersonator.... and O2 guy didn't even seem to TRY to act like MJ... rather, he acted like ELVIS (hint hint).

Or maybe it was an impersonator trying to act like MJ acting like an impersonator O.o BAM! Hahahaha no in all seriousness, it could be MJ acting like an impersonator, you know change things up for a bit. He did say he liked to direct himself and in order to do that you need to act like someone else. Cause you can't direct yourself to be yourself. So maybe he's acting like an impersonator.

I agree.  One of the things I love about this hoax is how our impressions change over time.  The 02 Michael is the most obvious impersonator.  For many of us this obvious impersonator was one of the hooks that got us into the hoax in the first place.  Even non-believers will often say he looks fake.  Now, I see how clever Michael was - always well ahead of us, constantly befuddling us, making us think for ourselves and question everything. 

Besides, wasn't it Arnold Klein who 'slipped' and called Michael the greatest ACTOR of all time.  It's so Shakesperean!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Rayanna_Rain on December 30, 2012, 01:29:55 PM
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For the record, I believe O2 guy=MJ. The dentition matches perfectly. Years ago I sought to prove O2 did not =MJ and ended up realizing he was in fact actually MJ by the end of the project. I see a match in the hand pics as well.

I think MJ played the part of his own impersonator.

In addition: why would an MJ impersonator not impersonate MJ in his body language as well as his appearance?

I think MJ played the part of his own BAD impersonator at the O2. (In other words, he played a person doing a poor job of impersonating himself). Because a genuine impersonator would do a better job of trying to ACT like MJ... since that's the point of an impersonator.... and O2 guy didn't even seem to TRY to act like MJ... rather, he acted like ELVIS (hint hint).

Or maybe it was an impersonator trying to act like MJ acting like an impersonator O.o BAM! Hahahaha no in all seriousness, it could be MJ acting like an impersonator, you know change things up for a bit. He did say he liked to direct himself and in order to do that you need to act like someone else. Cause you can't direct yourself to be yourself. So maybe he's acting like an impersonator.

I agree.  One of the things I love about this hoax is how our impressions change over time.  The 02 Michael is the most obvious impersonator.  For many of us this obvious impersonator was one of the hooks that got us into the hoax in the first place.  Even non-believers will often say he looks fake.  Now, I see how clever Michael was - always well ahead of us, constantly befuddling us, making us think for ourselves and question everything. 

Besides, wasn't it Arnold Klein who 'slipped' and called Michael the greatest ACTOR of all time.  It's so Shakesperean!

"All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players" ~William Shakespeare ;) Maybe we're just players on Michael's stage.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Andrea on December 30, 2012, 02:00:52 PM
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For the record, I believe O2 guy=MJ. The dentition matches perfectly. Years ago I sought to prove O2 did not =MJ and ended up realizing he was in fact actually MJ by the end of the project. I see a match in the hand pics as well.

I think MJ played the part of his own impersonator.

In addition: why would an MJ impersonator not impersonate MJ in his body language as well as his appearance?

I think MJ played the part of his own BAD impersonator at the O2. (In other words, he played a person doing a poor job of impersonating himself). Because a genuine impersonator would do a better job of trying to ACT like MJ... since that's the point of an impersonator.... and O2 guy didn't even seem to TRY to act like MJ... rather, he acted like ELVIS (hint hint).


I agree.  I went out of my way years ago to prove to myself that it wasn't MJ at O2 but couldn't do it.  I realized that MJ was acting deliberately off.  His act was a success though because now almost 4 years later we're still talking about it.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on December 30, 2012, 02:36:12 PM
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For the record, I believe O2 guy=MJ. The dentition matches perfectly. Years ago I sought to prove O2 did not =MJ and ended up realizing he was in fact actually MJ by the end of the project. I see a match in the hand pics as well.

I think MJ played the part of his own impersonator.

In addition: why would an MJ impersonator not impersonate MJ in his body language as well as his appearance?

I think MJ played the part of his own BAD impersonator at the O2. (In other words, he played a person doing a poor job of impersonating himself). Because a genuine impersonator would do a better job of trying to ACT like MJ... since that's the point of an impersonator.... and O2 guy didn't even seem to TRY to act like MJ... rather, he acted like ELVIS (hint hint).

EXAAAAAAACTLY!!  :th_bravo:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ellyd on December 30, 2012, 02:39:40 PM
Lol, yep, still talking about it. Hope MJ has some socks left.
I am with you, Andrea and bec. It's the hands that are a giveaway.
There were non-shopped photos available until really badly photoshopped pictures came out.
You could clearly see wrinkles and scars in the face.
Navi was at O2 but only to take fans around the arena.

This is the same smile:
(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article394892.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/michael-jackson-s-o2-rehearsals-image-2-862537487.jpg)

These are MJ's hands / nails - except if we expect irregular brown nail polish or that all photos were shopped which was not the case:
(http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Michael+Jackson+Announces+Plans+Summer+Residency+Lix_WacOBQGl.jpg)

(http://www.odt.co.nz/files/story/2009/03/us_singer_michael_jackson_announces_at_a_london_pr_4650790334.jpg)

I'm sure we'll discuss O2 in 2013 still.
Brilliant masterpiece.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MJonmind on December 30, 2012, 02:45:57 PM
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For the record, I believe O2 guy=MJ. The dentition matches perfectly. Years ago I sought to prove O2 did not =MJ and ended up realizing he was in fact actually MJ by the end of the project. I see a match in the hand pics as well.

I think MJ played the part of his own impersonator.

In addition: why would an MJ impersonator not impersonate MJ in his body language as well as his appearance?

I think MJ played the part of his own BAD impersonator at the O2. (In other words, he played a person doing a poor job of impersonating himself). Because a genuine impersonator would do a better job of trying to ACT like MJ... since that's the point of an impersonator.... and O2 guy didn't even seem to TRY to act like MJ... rather, he acted like ELVIS (hint hint).


I agree.  I went out of my way years ago to prove to myself that it wasn't MJ at O2 but couldn't do it.  I realized that MJ was acting deliberately off.  His act was a success though because now almost 4 years later we're still talking about it.
Yep, yep, and YEP!!!  02=MJ!  But at the end of the day, I think MJ just wants us to have fun with it, whether impersonator or not--it's all a part of the show. A little disagreement here makes things less boring.   As long as we agree there is one master behind it all.  And if someone thinks the evil powers put an impersonator in 02 to be part of a murder plot, and MJ is dead, well then I guess--why be here. :icon_e_sad:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: titania on December 30, 2012, 03:47:10 PM
Here is Michael's 02 performance in all it's glory- Oscar winning stuff! :bowdown: Such a subtle take off of a double doing a BAD job... However, notice how happy he is, as if he is full of secret giggles bubbles inside..Which is exactly what he is. The Grand Illusion had started...   


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUMs4brXz7Y

I must say looking at this performance in retrospect it is a MASTERpiece. When I looked at it before I was looking for signs to go by to determine IF MJ or not MJ. Now I can TRULY appreciate it for what IT IS :abouttime:

Giggling myself now  and I haven't even popped the cork of my Moet et Chandon yet.... :LolLolLolLol:

BTW loved reading all the insightful comments above. I see what I see too :thjajaja121: but sometimes I see differently as I rearrange the "pixels"for the umteenth time...

Titania

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: StrangerInCalifornia on December 30, 2012, 03:52:31 PM
The thing that throws me off the most about O2 guy (aside from the behavior) is that wig!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: julia142 on December 30, 2012, 04:03:14 PM
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For the record, I believe O2 guy=MJ. The dentition matches perfectly. Years ago I sought to prove O2 did not =MJ and ended up realizing he was in fact actually MJ by the end of the project. I see a match in the hand pics as well.

I think MJ played the part of his own impersonator.

In addition: why would an MJ impersonator not impersonate MJ in his body language as well as his appearance?

I think MJ played the part of his own BAD impersonator at the O2. (In other words, he played a person doing a poor job of impersonating himself). Because a genuine impersonator would do a better job of trying to ACT like MJ... since that's the point of an impersonator.... and O2 guy didn't even seem to TRY to act like MJ... rather, he acted like ELVIS (hint hint).

Absolutely agree with you, since the beginning, I always thought that Michael just wanted to make us think it was not him, while it was really him. And I have a seen a picture in the past, where we see the he seems to have prosthetic make up on his hands, so that would explain why the hands are not the same as usual. I think he also changed his voice and changed the accent to make us doubt. You know, everytime I have doubts in my mind, there's always that moment that comes to my mind, that last moment of Michael televised that comes to my mind, and his strangest appearances ever, then I say to myself, ''yes, it got to be a hoax for sure'' !
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Andrea on December 30, 2012, 04:04:50 PM
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The thing that throws me off the most about O2 guy (aside from the behavior) is that wig!


The sunglasses don't help either, LOL.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: mattie on December 30, 2012, 04:13:29 PM
What did i trigger here :icon_e_surprised:

Wel maybe it was my time to shine :icon_lol:

But serious.
i think i wil have to eat my shoes too because ik can't see what you people see..and yes i stil see what i see..and that is difference.

So if the O2 guy is Michael(what i stil don't believe) than the other guy is not?(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/download/file.php?id=8443&t=1)
Because the difference between these two makes it imposible for me to think they are one and the same.

PS:I hope you forgive my mistake's in writing..I am trying.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on December 30, 2012, 05:21:39 PM
(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae277/mykidsmum/sign.jpg)

 :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Adi on December 30, 2012, 05:31:17 PM
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For the record, I believe O2 guy=MJ. The dentition matches perfectly. Years ago I sought to prove O2 did not =MJ and ended up realizing he was in fact actually MJ by the end of the project. I see a match in the hand pics as well.

I think MJ played the part of his own impersonator.

In addition: why would an MJ impersonator not impersonate MJ in his body language as well as his appearance?

I think MJ played the part of his own BAD impersonator at the O2. (In other words, he played a person doing a poor job of impersonating himself). Because a genuine impersonator would do a better job of trying to ACT like MJ... since that's the point of an impersonator.... and O2 guy didn't even seem to TRY to act like MJ... rather, he acted like ELVIS (hint hint).

Or maybe it was an impersonator trying to act like MJ acting like an impersonator O.o BAM! Hahahaha no in all seriousness, it could be MJ acting like an impersonator, you know change things up for a bit. He did say he liked to direct himself and in order to do that you need to act like someone else. Cause you can't direct yourself to be yourself. So maybe he's acting like an impersonator.

I agree.  One of the things I love about this hoax is how our impressions change over time.  The 02 Michael is the most obvious impersonator.  For many of us this obvious impersonator was one of the hooks that got us into the hoax in the first place.  Even non-believers will often say he looks fake.  Now, I see how clever Michael was - always well ahead of us, constantly befuddling us, making us think for ourselves and question everything. 

Besides, wasn't it Arnold Klein who 'slipped' and called Michael the greatest ACTOR of all time.  It's so Shakesperean!

Reminds me of the line in OBee's song "Life is a Movie"

Quote
Look at me, my life’s like a movie
But this is real life you should sue me
Sit back and watch me do me,

http://obeezone.blogspot.com.au/p/lyrics.html

 :icon_cool:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on December 30, 2012, 05:35:02 PM
Ellyd:
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I'm sure we'll discuss O2 in 2013 still.
Brilliant masterpiece.

I'm sure about that too and even beyond 2013. Epic!

I believe that it is MJ at the 02. I agree with bec, he's acting as his own impersonator. His voice is way deeper than we are used to hear, but I remember that in the BAD 25 docu one of the producers was telling that MJ's voice has an incredible wide vocal range. He's a great actor. He's giving the media a controversial and confusing impression.. intentionally :icon_cool:.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1161879/The-square-chin-The-deep-voice-But-really-Michael-Jackson.html :icon_question: :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: voiceforthesilent on December 30, 2012, 06:03:36 PM
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Reminds me of the line in OBee's song "Life is a Movie"

Quote

    Look at me, my life’s like a movie
    But this is real life you should sue me
    Sit back and watch me do me,


You are probably right - I still have doubts that it's MJ but again all of your arguments make sense. Michael has made my head spin - I know that much to be true.

Obee's "Life Is A Movie" makes perfect sense when thinking about the O2 and this hoax.

I wouldn't be surprised if he uses prosthetics on his nose to confuse us as well.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 30, 2012, 06:22:44 PM
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(http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae277/mykidsmum/sign.jpg)

 :icon_e_confused:

I can do the same: I match up with Whitney Houston and my baby picture matches up with MJ.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: mattie on December 30, 2012, 06:31:24 PM


So if the O2 guy is Michael(what i stil don't believe) than the other guy is not?(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/download/file.php?id=8443&t=1)
Because the difference between these two makes it imposible for me to think they are one and the same.

PS:I hope you forgive my mistake's in writing..I am trying.
[/quote]

Who is than the other guy? Ik would like to know how his chin could be so differend.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: SimPattyK on December 30, 2012, 06:42:21 PM
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THE RIDDLER
Like any truly inspiring teacher who wants to impact his students, Michael's methods in molding our creative process were inconspicous. One of his most ingenious moves was to pose cryptic questions, sending us on a wild goose chase to solve riddles. We could tell he thought it was humorous to puzzle us. Andf in a sense, this mindbending game was one of the best ways we learned from Michael. Only we didn't know it at the time. (Michael Bush, The King of Style, p 19.)
This quote intrigues me no end.....Hmmmm. wonder why? :screaming-7365: :omg: :LolLolLolLol:
Titania
:omg:  I can't believe it!
Okay, that does it.  I am absolutely convinced that Front and TS are one and the same.
I know he said he was not MJ, but I think when he lies, he does it for hoax purposes.  He's said many times, he wants us not to just go by his words, but by the evidence. Well the evidence is loud and clear to me.

[....] photos ...[...]

Sim, IMO, these are all Michael.  But he is definitely doing deliberate things to give the impression of doubles. Notice difference hair-lines, eyebrows darker/lighter, beard/shaven, different usage of eye and lip make-up, weight gain/loss, lighting, etc. He also tries to act differently in personality.  I think he's in total hoax modus operandi. And what you said:
Quote
At one point in that interview, even the dumbo-Bashit noticed this and said something to the effect of: "It was not the same Michael Jackson I had met few months ago"
Sometimes I think Bashir's in, but mostly I think MJ had him totally and genuinely baffled.  Just think how he's baffled millions of his fans who think they've followed him forever, and know everything (think he's dead).  In the second pic of him in the green shirt, look what's going on with his hair pushed back revealing is it shaved skin or hair make-up. It's downright  :icon_lol: :icon_eek: :icon_e_confused: :icon_razz:
@ TITANIA: Thanks for sharing that QUOTE with us! It's AWESOME! It's as if Michael was talking to us, hoaxers!  :icon_e_wink: The whole text fits US like a glove!! :icon_e_biggrin:

@MJonMind: I agree with you!! Your version sounds even more plausible than Michael using impersonators in that interview. Yes! I think you're right he could be interpreting "roles" (his various "archetypes") to fool around with Bashir and viewers! Just like he did with O2 arena - role!
It's highly possible!! That's why for a long time, we've been thinking that TS and front are 2 different people, when in fact TS = Front = Michael! I have no doubt about that! and I also suspect he has been using other [undetectable] usernames online throughout the hoax! loll!! Sneaky, pranksta, "social voyeur" !!  :icon_geek: :icon_lol:

And at the same time, I am sure he has been using impersonators all these years, but probably for "minor" roles/tasks/missions!!


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I think MJ played the part of his own BAD impersonator at the O2. (In other words, he played a person doing a poor job of impersonating himself). Because a genuine impersonator would do a better job of trying to ACT like MJ... since that's the point of an impersonator.... and O2 guy didn't even seem to TRY to act like MJ... rather, he acted like ELVIS (hint hint).
@BEC: I agree ^^ I think he play pretended to be his own impersonator too!
And I also think he tried to HINT to Elvis, both through his body language [those "rock'n roll - playing guitar" movements that he did with his hands towards the end of his speech] and also his hairstyle reminded me of Elvis (see link (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=268439669879724&set=a.197492363641122.48889.197418280315197&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash4%2F407469_268439669879724_1618009297_n.jpg&size=956%2C960) ) and then  the press conference (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=272518722805152&set=a.197718843618474.48934.197418280315197&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash4%2F401257_272518722805152_2060880002_n.jpg&size=944%2C667) and the red curtain.... Mj's "Final curtain call" versus Elvis's last concert 6 CD box - "Final Curtain" (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=261884843868540&set=a.197718843618474.48934.197418280315197&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash4%2F373866_261884843868540_1176326835_n.jpg&size=960%2C767)
Everything was HOAXY (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=268376223219402&set=a.197718843618474.48934.197418280315197&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-snc6%2F391854_268376223219402_25327572_n.jpg&size=868%2C960) about TII announcement!


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well, i hope that it would be the real Michael who's gonna BAM  :icon_lol:
  :icon_lol: :bowdown: :icon_lol:


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Besides, wasn't it Arnold Klein who 'slipped' and called Michael the greatest ACTOR of all time.  It's so Shakesperean!
VERY Shakespearean !!  :icon_e_wink: "Talent like you've never seen before!"  :icon_e_wink:
Click on this montage (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=431914786865544&set=a.220153974708294.53246.197418280315197&type=3&theater) and then search the button NEXT to see the other 9 montages on "MJ & Hamlet" connections. Fascinating!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: wishingstar on December 30, 2012, 07:26:54 PM
Indeed....Shakespearean, LOL..........
Get thee to a nunnery
*should have been the underlying text on concert t-shirts over the years  :icon_lol:

Yes, "social voyeur" Sim....great expression......I am glad actually he's able to.  I always
felt talented, famous people; though incredibly blessed, are self-imprisoned to some degree...if for
no other reason than basic safety.  Some people are able to live life regular, some are not. 
Michael...not at all......the crowds, the mobs, all very scary stuff.  It must be really great to
correspond with some degree of normalcy.  I have to admit...if we ever find out any familiar
username, I'll giggle...then faint probably.  LOL.......

@bec.....yes, BAD impersonator w/ Elvis swagger....good post for sure. 

Blessings Always
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: SimPattyK on December 30, 2012, 07:30:56 PM
@Wishy:  :bearhug:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bugsy on December 30, 2012, 08:46:28 PM
(http://members.iinet.net.au/~pommy_angel/Michaelpics.jpg)

Look the same to me...i photoshopped/cloned the glasses in the black and white pics
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 30, 2012, 08:49:59 PM
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(http://members.iinet.net.au/~pommy_angel/Michaelpics.jpg)

Look the same to me...i photoshopped/cloned the glasses in the black and white pics

That's a lotta MJ's...
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: mindseye on December 30, 2012, 09:39:36 PM
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/3d.jpg)

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/pinkpapkp.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: wishingstar on December 30, 2012, 09:44:11 PM
mindseye...you scare me, lol......my daughter just started watching Pink Panther....no kidding! 
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: heartofgold on December 30, 2012, 10:39:58 PM
I can say one thing if his looks can kill he would have killed every bad person who made his life miserable.  
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Snoopy71 on December 30, 2012, 11:05:35 PM
Michael's police booking photo in 2003

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2m4ahvl.jpg)

D.L. picture TMZ claims was filed in 2005

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2e3vqfn.jpg)


I stumbled onto an article that was posted the day Michael's new license photo was "taken"...


Rulings On Seized Items

Judge Rodney Melville ruled on Thursday July 21, 2005 that most items seized from Michael Jackson's Neverland Valley Ranch should be returned - but not photos of the singer's genitalia.

Prosecutor Tom Sneddon did not want the photos returned:

    "I don't believe it would be appropriate for the court to consider (releasing) them. They were never entered into evidence."


The judge agreed with Sneddon:

    "I think (the photographs) are subject to the 1993 order and not subject to this court's order. I will be making an order that they will be maintained under the previous order."

The judge said a prior order dictates that those images must remain locked in a safe-deposit box.

Sneddon also said he opposed returning what he characterized as "contraband" seized from Neverland, near Los Olivos, during the search.

    "Demerol, syringes, clothing that contained Demerol," Sneddon said, listing the items at Judge Melville's request. "There was a number of prescriptions that were in other people's names."

Sneddon said the prescriptions were for Xanax and various antibiotics, and that one of the prescriptions was in the name of a Neverland employee.

Judge Melville ruled that items seized from Neverland and not entered into evidence, including about nine computers, should be returned.

    "Anything you have seized that was not brought to court and was not contraband, should be returned to Mr. Jackson."

The judge also ruled that all other seized items should be returned to their owner, after the media has time to examine them. However, Melville indicated he would not allow reporters to view numerous videotapes featuring Jackson, the accuser's family or both.

    "Those have privacy issues and copyright issues and in all likelihood, I would not order their release."

Sneddon said he was concerned about returning adult magazines seized from Neverland, because the items underwent a chemical fingerprinting process.

    "They bear a seal on the binder that say they are toxic. I believe there should be some kind of a release signed by Mr. Jackson ... if he or one of his children has a toxic reaction to one of those materials."

Sneddon also indicated that the boy and the family who accused Jackson of conspiracy and child molestation wanted some of their possessions returned, including a jacket and watch that Jackson gave the youth.

The family also requested the return of their passports, birth certificates and visas, along with applications for those materials. They also wanted several photographs and books returned.

Michael Jackson's defense had petitioned for the return of all items seized from the singer. Attorney Stephen Dunkle represented Jackson in court Thursday, but did not make oral arguments.

    "The District Attorney and the Sheriff's Department are not entitled to retain seized property," Dunkle wrote in his motion. "...This case is over. Law enforcement is merely holding the seized materials for the Court and has no independent right of possession."

Source: MJFC / Santa Maria Times
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Elsa on December 30, 2012, 11:49:59 PM
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It reminded me of Front's post talking about Michael being the driver of the hoax-coach and that Michael will get us all home safely 

:icon_cool: :icon_albino:


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Speaking of the BAM, this is a stretch, I know, but it's Christmas Eve and I am relaxing & having a bit of fun tonight whilst cooking, having a glass of nice wine and wrapping pressies.......anyone notice this in the article (scroll down):

 :icon_e_wink:

MICHAEL JACKSON'S
DRIVER'S LICENSE
Stone-Faced Stare


12/24/2012 1:00 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-2michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

TMZ has obtained the last driver's license photo Michael Jackson ever took--
a big change from the singer's cheery license photo from the 1980s.

The latest photo was taken in 2005 -- four years before the King of Pop's
untimely death -- and you can tell from the harrowing image ... MJ had become
a tortured soul.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

An image of MJ's 1980s driver's license was released by the FBI shortly after
Michael died  -- as part of the agency's massive file on the singer. The Bureau
compiled the dossier during its investigation into child sex allegations involving
the singer back in the 90s.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-2subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

As you can see, Michael was a much different person back then -- smiling
brightly for his photo at the DMV.

Of course, it's not like MJ ever put the license to much use -- he was pretty
much exclusively chauffeured around, especially in the later years of his life.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/24/michael-jackson-drivers-license/#ixzz2FxV42iDk
[/quote]

I see what you are saying Adi - driving backwards and taking his own sweet time. 

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Shamone Jackson on December 31, 2012, 12:06:00 AM
@Snoopy71 - It always bugged me why Sneddon didn't want to release the photos to Michael.  Why on earth would they want to keep them?  God I can't stand that slug of a man.   :icon_mad:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Loveunited on December 31, 2012, 07:04:59 AM
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@Snoopy71 - It always bugged me why Sneddon didn't want to release the photos to Michael.  Why on earth would they want to keep them?  God I can't stand that slug of a man.   :icon_mad:

Maybe the Estate should sue for infringment  :icon_rolleyes:   (...kidding)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on December 31, 2012, 09:41:47 AM
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(http://members.iinet.net.au/~pommy_angel/Michaelpics.jpg)

Look the same to me...i photoshopped/cloned the glasses in the black and white pics

That's a lotta MJ's...

All Michaels in TII is only one: "Michael Joe Jackson" with silicone cheeks and chin the same things he used in O2 Arena's speech.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on December 31, 2012, 10:22:46 AM
Lol
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: SimPattyK on December 31, 2012, 12:06:41 PM
MJ Official FB page - CAR WAVING... The "driver" is on his way? now that TMZ found his latest driver's license? lmao :))) :thjajaja121:


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjfbcarwav.jpg)


Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bonnie2013 on December 31, 2012, 12:11:41 PM
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MJ Official FB page - CAR WAVING... The "driver" is on his way? now that TMZ found his latest driver's license? lmao :))) :thjajaja121:


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjfbcarwav.jpg)

I'm so excited... I hope this is it! *No disappointments*     :penguin:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: gwynned on December 31, 2012, 12:16:23 PM
I DO believe in Michael, I DO believe in Michael, I DO believe in Michael, I DO believe in Michael, I DO believe in Michael, I DO believe in Michael, I DO believe in Michael. 

https://twitter.com/DeepInside777/status/285519598114205698/photo/1

Thanks, Sim!   :bearhug:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: SimPattyK on December 31, 2012, 12:23:43 PM
@gwynned: Is that the link to your tweeter? (DeepInside777?)


@bonnie2013: I hope so too!!  :bowdown:



Happy New BAMtastyK Year to everyone here!
hugssssssss  :bearhug:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Billie J on December 31, 2012, 12:30:55 PM
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MJ Official FB page - CAR WAVING... The "driver" is on his way? now that TMZ found his latest driver's license? lmao :))) :thjajaja121:


(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/mjfbcarwav.jpg)


 I ABSOLUTELY L.O.V.E THE PICTURE,THANX SimPattyK  :bearhug: you're the best
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on December 31, 2012, 12:36:13 PM
Lol I have just posted that MJ's pic on the MJ's facebook thread and I said that Michael is waving at us, I think that's a good presentiment!  :woohoo2: :multiplespotting:

Enjoy tonight!! Have a Happy New Year 2013!!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: gwynned on December 31, 2012, 12:47:36 PM
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@gwynned: Is that the link to your tweeter? (DeepInside777?)




Nope.  Someone else posted it this morning and it was JUST what I have been feeling.  I don't know about anyone else, but I've hardly been able to do anything but hang out around here, clutching that wishing star along with any clue that points to a BAM.  I've been avoiding people because my mind is so preoccupied and the source of my sadness so absurd (to them!) that, frankly, I don't want them to think I'm even crazier than they think I am.

Thanks to everyone for simply being here.   :bearhug:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Snoopy71 on December 31, 2012, 12:57:41 PM
I've got to give props to MJFB Marketing

(http://i47.tinypic.com/1231a8w.gif)




Happy New Years Everyone!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: SimPattyK on December 31, 2012, 01:00:14 PM
@gwynned: I'm 100% in the same state of mind! I'm with you!!  :bearhug:

@Billie J: tks! hugs back  :bearhug:

@Snoopy71: well said!!  :icon_lol: Round of Applause for whomever is behind all the official pages/sites/accounts for all the lovely "whispers" !!  :icon_e_wink: :th_bravo:

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: titania on December 31, 2012, 01:08:08 PM
Always happy to think/feel/beLIEve that Michael is in Pole position! The facebook page rocks big time!

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL FROM A RAINY SWEDEN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Uo0JAUWijM


TITANIA
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: SimPattyK on December 31, 2012, 01:09:29 PM
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I've got to give props to MJFB Marketing [...]
You mean you think this is only for marketing purposes?
So whomever is behind that MJ-FB page is only manipulating us into believing that this is part of Michael's hoax?
That would mean you think Michael is dead?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Snoopy71 on December 31, 2012, 01:24:03 PM
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I've got to give props to MJFB Marketing [...]
You mean you think this is only for marketing purposes?
So whomever is behind that MJ-FB page is only manipulating us into believing that this is part of Michael's hoax?
That would mean you think Michael is dead?

@SimPatty ....I love how you think, you read between the lines and see what isn't being said.  :icon_mrgreen:


....for the record...No, I personally do not believe Michael is dead, never did.....but I also do not believe everyone is pure of motive either.


Perception$ are very personal, doesn't make them true or untrue....
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: SimPattyK on December 31, 2012, 01:53:40 PM
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I've got to give props to MJFB Marketing [...]
You mean you think this is only for marketing purposes?
So whomever is behind that MJ-FB page is only manipulating us into believing that this is part of Michael's hoax?
That would mean you think Michael is dead?

@SimPatty ....I love how you think, you read between the lines and see what isn't being said.  :icon_mrgreen:


....for the record...No, I personally do not believe Michael is dead, never did.....but I also do not believe everyone is pure of motive either.


Perception$ are very personal, doesn't make them true or untrue....
yes I know.... and I agree.... about perceptions....
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: SimPattyK on December 31, 2012, 02:05:15 PM
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[...]
....for the record...No, I personally do not believe Michael is dead, never did.....but I also do not believe everyone is pure of motive either.
[...]
Ok. But if Michael is alive, then that means he's not fully in control of his own official websites?
Do you think that while he is indeed alive , someone else is messing around on his account? Someone who might take advantage of the fact that, officially, Michael is still being "dead" to the world ? and they advertise his websites to take credit and money out of them?
Otherwise I don't see how nor why would there be "non-pure motives" behind all these blatant hoax-whispers that we've been receiving so far...
I think Michael is well behind everything.
But then again, as you said, to each, his own perception.  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Snoopy71 on December 31, 2012, 02:53:48 PM
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[...]
....for the record...No, I personally do not believe Michael is dead, never did.....but I also do not believe everyone is pure of motive either.
[...]
Ok. But if Michael is alive, then that means he's not fully in control of his own official websites?
Do you think that while he is indeed alive , someone else is messing around on his account? Someone who might take advantage of the fact that, officially, Michael is still being "dead" to the world ? and they advertise his websites to take credit and money out of them?
Otherwise I don't see how nor why would there be "non-pure motives" behind all these blatant hoax-whispers that we've been receiving so far...
I think Michael is well behind everything.
But then again, as you said, to each, his own perception.  :icon_e_wink:

There are believers and non believers alike correct?  So a $mart person would play both sides of the fence. 

I think Michael loves ALL his fans no matter their beliefs.

What his fans choose to personally believe is their own prerogative.

Michael is not penalizing anyone for their choice...Believe he is alive or Believe he is dead...he is going to reach out to everyone of his fans the same way.


Where a believer will perceive a "clue" or "whisper" and non believer will see a "promo" or "endorsement"....both keep him "Alive" literally/figuratively.


...and it's not just MJ Facebook.... There is a whole network in place running this machine and yes there is a profit to be made from this on all sides.





Then again I'm a realist...so it could just be my perception :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: SimPattyK on December 31, 2012, 03:54:03 PM
But who said that Michael doesn't love all the fans ? (believers or non-believers)? We were not talking about that. At least not me.
In your previous message you said you believe Michael is alive. In this one above ^^ you talk from a non believer position... that iis a little bit confusing...

But anyway, regardless of what you are (believer or non-believer), in the end, yes I agree, from a believer perspective, Michael is behind those whispers, but from a non-believer perception, there is manipulation.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 01, 2013, 09:43:28 AM
Just want to say that I adore this thread. So controversial and Live too. Most of the good threads about double debate were a while ago, before my time. Its great to be able to read a live one and see peoples interpreations of the doubles down the track. Some of the longer term members, I can see (Compared with original opinions I have observed in the archived forums) have changed. This is not a critisism, just an observation. My opinion changes too all the time, with who is MJ and who is the double, regardless of 02, TII, pictures, controversial WATW appearance, etc... Is it MJ or is it a double. Or the guy who is thought was the double really MJ? Is that a bad MJ double? Or is that MJ playing the role of a double? Or the role of a bad MJ double.... (Ok roll me up and send me to the nut house!!)

I guess what it essentially means is that regardless of who is right or wrong in this forum about which pic / video / appearance is REALLY the GENUINE MJ, then, MJ did his job. He has succeeded as not only the greatest entertainer / musician / dancer / pioneer of pop culture change - he is enigmatic, mysterious, magical. We are still talking about photographs of him from the 80's and 90's. Job well done MJ.


Would just like to point out how amazingly LUCKY we are to live in the same generation to experience MJ as an entertainer!!




Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on January 01, 2013, 11:47:20 AM
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Just want to say that I adore this thread. So controversial and Live too. Most of the good threads about double debate were a while ago, before my time. Its great to be able to read a live one and see peoples interpreations of the doubles down the track. Some of the longer term members, I can see (Compared with original opinions I have observed in the archived forums) have changed. This is not a critisism, just an observation. My opinion changes too all the time, with who is MJ and who is the double, regardless of 02, TII, pictures, controversial WATW appearance, etc... Is it MJ or is it a double. Or the guy who is thought was the double really MJ? Is that a bad MJ double? Or is that MJ playing the role of a double? Or the role of a bad MJ double.... (Ok roll me up and send me to the nut house!!)

I guess what it essentially means is that regardless of who is right or wrong in this forum about which pic / video / appearance is REALLY the GENUINE MJ, then, MJ did his job. He has succeeded as not only the greatest entertainer / musician / dancer / pioneer of pop culture change - he is enigmatic, mysterious, magical. We are still talking about photographs of him from the 80's and 90's. Job well done MJ.


Would just like to point out how amazingly LUCKY we are to live in the same generation to experience MJ as an entertainer!!

Yes I think exactly the same, I think this generation has been blessed to experience MJ as the greatest entertainer in the world.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Jos on January 01, 2013, 12:46:47 PM
+1
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: applehead250609 on January 02, 2013, 03:07:42 PM
Quote
RK
 December 25, 2012, 03:11:48 AM »
Just read that Spike Lee has posted two pics on his instagram of MJ from TDRCAU. Same stony faced look.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2u58b9d.jpg)

Spike knows the TRUTH for sure lol :icon_lol: ........Who is Bad ?????  :michael_jackson-1135: :thjajaja121:!!!!!

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--ww2ikm2Qf4/UETXvQPv8nI/AAAAAAAABQU/y2EC3TE9c5M/s1600/LOS+GEMELOS+EN+BAD+25.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: pepper on January 02, 2013, 03:27:33 PM
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)

(http://www.etonline.com/media/photo/michael_jackson_album_cover_640x380.jpg)
http://www.etonline.com/media/photo/michael_jackson_album_cover_640x380.jpg
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Snoopy71 on January 02, 2013, 06:51:43 PM
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(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/12/21/1221-subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1.jpg)



I know what's bothering me about this picture.....his lips!

I seen a gazillion pictures of Michael and I don't recall him ever holding his mouth like that......Although California DMV can take some seriously whacked pictures when they want to  :icon_rolleyes:


....and it appears he's trying to hide some of his face...and the background is unusually dark


It also got me to thinking....I can't remember if they take new fingerprints when you renew your license :suspect:

If they don't need new fingerprints, how would they know if an impersonator took the picture or not? :icon_eek:


Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Jowayria on January 02, 2013, 07:18:03 PM
(http://www.up-king.com/almaciat/573k4tyyqyo7uger0b20.jpg) (http://www.up-king.com/) 

This picture seems to me as recent as this

(http://www.up-king.com/almaciat/cf39jwz6cz3t2e6vde8x.jpg) (http://www.up-king.com/)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 02, 2013, 07:28:20 PM
Same pointy top lip
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Snoopy71 on January 02, 2013, 07:33:23 PM
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Same pointy top lip
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(http://www.up-king.com/almaciat/573k4tyyqyo7uger0b20.jpg) (http://www.up-king.com/) 

This picture seems to me as recent as this

(http://www.up-king.com/almaciat/cf39jwz6cz3t2e6vde8x.jpg) (http://www.up-king.com/)


*sigh* back to the drawing board.....I don't get it, why show the license if it's really him? What are we missing?  :Crash:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 02, 2013, 08:24:55 PM
Ha! That is the pic I was looking for. For all those that say that the round eyes and short chin are photoshopped, what about this picture?

(http://www.up-king.com:8080/almaciat/cf39jwz6cz3t2e6vde8x.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: mindseye on January 02, 2013, 09:02:46 PM
I think it's kind of interesting that the date is 7/21/2005 because we have.. 7 and 21=7 and 2+5 is 7 and the PHOTO SEO# is 7625 ...7 June 25? Last part of CM Booking No.: 6725
And also that tmz named the picture files as 1221-2michael-jackson-driverslicense-1 and 1221-subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1

 :suspect:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ellyd on January 03, 2013, 12:23:05 AM
TMZ always skip the year of publication in their filenames and only refer to month and day.
Nothing unusual. Has technically to do with the content management system they use.

Right question is: who ordered them to publish this article with this set up title, date and given time?
(=active determination)

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: gwynned on January 03, 2013, 12:28:40 AM
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Ha! That is the pic I was looking for. For all those that say that the round eyes and short chin are photoshopped, what about this picture?

(http://www.up-king.com:8080/almaciat/cf39jwz6cz3t2e6vde8x.jpg)

Souza, maybe I missed something during my 5 second break from this computer, but I don't remember seeing this 'recent photo' before.  Where did it come from?  How recent? 
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Snoopy71 on January 03, 2013, 02:19:29 AM
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Ha! That is the pic I was looking for. For all those that say that the round eyes and short chin are photoshopped, what about this picture?

(http://www.up-king.com:8080/almaciat/cf39jwz6cz3t2e6vde8x.jpg)

Souza, maybe I missed something during my 5 second break from this computer, but I don't remember seeing this 'recent photo' before.  Where did it come from?  How recent?

To my knowledge, Bill Bray (the man in the picture) passed away in 2005. 

I think he officially retired from Michael's security detail sometime in 1995 or 96.


....why do I get the feeling this whole drivers license thing is just a wild goose chase  :icon_e_confused:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 03, 2013, 02:34:30 AM
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Right question is: who ordered them to publish this article with this set up title, date and given time?
(=active determination)

I'd say the one and only...
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Jowayria on January 03, 2013, 12:27:54 PM
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Right question is: who ordered them to publish this article with this set up title, date and given time?
(=active determination)

I'd say the one and only...

 :smiley_abuv:

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: applehead250609 on January 03, 2013, 03:01:43 PM
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Ha! That is the pic I was looking for. For all those that say that the round eyes and short chin are photoshopped, what about this picture?

(http://www.up-king.com:8080/almaciat/cf39jwz6cz3t2e6vde8x.jpg)

Souza, maybe I missed something during my 5 second break from this computer, but I don't remember seeing this 'recent photo' before.  Where did it come from?  How recent?

I had seen this picture before,actually was the photo for my facebook page for a long time.Let's say I had seen this photo at least 1 year before. ;) .
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: wishingstar on January 03, 2013, 03:13:50 PM
I remember seeing this photo as well.....I was thinking of how much I loved those wings or emblem whatever on his red jacket/shirt.....
My dad flew, I grew up around planes and love things like that, lol......silly I know.  But it did make me smile :)
applehead....nice to see you...blessings!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on January 03, 2013, 04:14:57 PM
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I remember seeing this photo as well.....I was thinking of how much I loved those wings or emblem whatever on his red jacket/shirt.....
My dad flew, I grew up around planes and love things like that, lol......silly I know.  But it did make me smile :)
applehead....nice to see you...blessings!

With the nickname Doo Doo below, maybe the wings are related to the dodo birth of Alice in Wonderland :icon_lol:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: applehead250609 on January 03, 2013, 04:28:03 PM
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underthemoon
December 25, 2012, 03:41:20 PM »
I remember a pic that looks so similar...from Oktober 2002 :

(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Michael+with+bodyguards+1IakzEUJsA4l.jpg)

If that photo is Michael in 2002 I think is the photo he had with Ben Evensted,lol,but I'm not that sure it was done in 2002 at all :LolLolLolLol: !!!!!

(http://leolo.fr/OBJECTIF/MICHAEL_JACKSON_NEST_PAS_MORT_!_files/michael-jackson-photo-0907-01.jpg)

This is Michael in 2002 when he was at Disney store with Cascio family.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9cRzTP4f0M[/youtube]

No make-up and for sure no mind-control,lol just 2 watches  :thjajaja121: !!!!! Michael is a beautiful man,and everyone can see this ,especially by this video :-* .
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: applehead250609 on January 03, 2013, 05:35:44 PM
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voiceforthesilent
December 25, 2012, 11:08:06 AM »
Oh my gosh - is there ever a time where we will see pictures from the same era and all agree that it is or isn't Michael? LOL - I, for one, haven't believe for years that we've seen the real Michael every single time and these two pictures are no diferent. The only other explanation is that Michael deliberately changes his appearance.

Touche  :th_bravo:!!!!
We are watching The Master at work for a long time now ;D .
If you have seen something before, your mind does not consider it important to see it again, and does not let you see it; it edits your life.But in Michael's case is the opposite ,he is always transforming everything,changing things and makes you wanting for more.When you see a rose through the mind, you do not see it as it truly is. Your mind does this with everything, unless it perceives it as New, Special, or Dangerous  ;).
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: applehead250609 on January 03, 2013, 06:39:53 PM
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ellyd
December 31, 2012, 05:39:40 AM »
I'm sure we'll discuss O2 in 2013 still.
Brilliant masterpiece.

Brilliant indeed  :th_bravo: !!!!!
And you can be sure of that my friend,we'll discuss it over and over again  :icon_albino: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:.
In this case Repetition is good.You may have noticed that certain sayings and concepts are repeated throughout this hoax  :icon_e_biggrin:. Repetition is necessary to penetrate people’s minds, so do not let it bother you  :LolLolLolLol:. An impression has to be made and repetition is necessary. Repetition is not fun to read, but necessary to transform people  ;).


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As a single footstep will not make a path on the earth, so a single thought will not make a pathway in the mind. To make a deep physical path, we walk again and again. To make a deep mental path, we must think over and over the kind of thoughts we wish to dominate our lives.
Henry David Thoreau
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: marumjj on January 03, 2013, 07:25:33 PM
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ellyd
December 31, 2012, 05:39:40 AM »
I'm sure we'll discuss O2 in 2013 still.
Brilliant masterpiece.

Brilliant indeed  :th_bravo: !!!!!
And you can be sure of that my friend,we'll discuss it over and over again  :icon_albino: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:.
In this case Repetition is good.You may have noticed that certain sayings and concepts are repeated throughout this hoax  :icon_e_biggrin:. Repetition is necessary to penetrate people’s minds, so do not let it bother you  :LolLolLolLol:. An impression has to be made and repetition is necessary. Repetition is not fun to read, but necessary to transform people  ;).


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As a single footstep will not make a path on the earth, so a single thought will not make a pathway in the mind. To make a deep physical path, we walk again and again. To make a deep mental path, we must think over and over the kind of thoughts we wish to dominate our lives.
Henry David Thoreau
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Good thought applehead250609, everything changes, we change, I agree, not bad review the past, and to be honest the issue of the ambulance, I have not clear yet  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: voiceforthesilent on January 03, 2013, 07:30:24 PM
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voiceforthesilent
December 25, 2012, 11:08:06 AM »
Oh my gosh - is there ever a time where we will see pictures from the same era and all agree that it is or isn't Michael? LOL - I, for one, haven't believe for years that we've seen the real Michael every single time and these two pictures are no diferent. The only other explanation is that Michael deliberately changes his appearance.

Touche  :th_bravo:!!!!
We are watching The Master at work for a long time now ;D .
If you have seen something before, your mind does not consider it important to see it again, and does not let you see it; it edits your life.But in Michael's case is the opposite ,he is always transforming everything,changing things and makes you wanting for more.When you see a rose through the mind, you do not see it as it truly is. Your mind does this with everything, unless it perceives it as New, Special, or Dangerous  ;).


Yes, Applehead - brilliant explanation. Michael knows human nature and because of this, along with his desire to give the greatest show on earth, we've been seeing the master at work since he was young (old enough to call his own shots). Speaking solely on his appearances, I cannot get out of my mind reading of when Ramone Baine recalled seeing MJ on TV for his famous mug photo shot and the words of one who had spent the night before at Neverland with him - saying, "that is not the same Michael".   :icon_lol:

Yes, we can laugh because we've come to the see the truth in it - at least it makes the most sense of all. And, yes, Michael without makeup is extremely handsome.

I wonder if that is why they put a picture of one of the impersonators on the stone tribute in Gary, IN. To further fuel the thought of "is it or isn't it".  :smiley-vault-misc-150:

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: heartofgold on January 03, 2013, 08:45:18 PM
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Same pointy top lip
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(http://www.up-king.com/almaciat/573k4tyyqyo7uger0b20.jpg) (http://www.up-king.com/) 

This picture seems to me as recent as this

(http://www.up-king.com/almaciat/cf39jwz6cz3t2e6vde8x.jpg) (http://www.up-king.com/)


*sigh* back to the drawing board.....I don't get it, why show the license if it's really him? What are we missing?  :Crash:

as we all know Michael bleached his skin to not have his skin lighter. So how does it explain his face is full of blotches. Those blotches shouldn't be there. Is this really Michael? Just saying.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: AdelaideMoonwalker on January 03, 2013, 10:48:11 PM
we feel that this is mj without make up its the REAL DOODE HEHE YAY :icon_bounce: :woohoo2:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bugsy on January 03, 2013, 11:11:50 PM
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Same pointy top lip
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(http://www.up-king.com/almaciat/573k4tyyqyo7uger0b20.jpg) (http://www.up-king.com/) 

This picture seems to me as recent as this

(http://www.up-king.com/almaciat/cf39jwz6cz3t2e6vde8x.jpg) (http://www.up-king.com/)

Maybe his giving us a stone faced stare..maybe he disapproved of the bickering?.. who knows?

personally I don't think it matters who was or wasn't MJ in pictures, does it change anything at all? if the O2 guy wasn't him... does it give us new leads? if the photo of michael in license was not actually michael does it give us new clues to investigate more? JMO
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: pippi713713 on January 03, 2013, 11:12:34 PM
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as we all know Michael bleached his skin to not have his skin lighter. So how does it explain his face is full of blotches. Those blotches shouldn't be there. Is this really Michael? Just saying.

Well yes and no. Even as Michael tried to even out his skin tone due to the vitiligo, blotches would still exist. I think that lighting also has a big effect in the picture as well. Depending on the lighting, shadows and skin flaws may be more prominent, esp if he wasn't wearing makeup.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: wishingstar on January 03, 2013, 11:45:22 PM
So this whole saying of "stone face" seems odd to me......so I dug around.  Turns out a few different things I found made me
think the TMZ chose that very carefully.  There is the region on Mars of the stone face:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cydonia_(region_of_Mars)

there are the granite cliffs in New Hampshire:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man_of_the_Mountain

there is "The Great Stone Face" actor, Buster Keaton:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buster_Keaton

*I find him interesting because of Michael's love of film (he was also in an episode of The Twilight Zone)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time_(The_Twilight_Zone)
he was also in the final episode of the television version of The Greatest Show on Earth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Show_on_Earth_(TV_series)

there is also Nathaniel Hawthorne's work about The Great Stone Face itself:
http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/nhawthorne/bl-nhaw-greatst.htm

All in all, I think we were given that phrase for a reason.....Michael's face is not all that stone like to me.
A stone face shows no emotion....to me there is plenty of emotion, I am just trying to figure which emotion
I am to see.........any thoughts?  Or am I barking up the wrong tree, lol...........

Blessings!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bugsy on January 04, 2013, 12:19:46 AM
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So this whole saying of "stone face" seems odd to me......so I dug around.  Turns out a few different things I found made me
think the TMZ chose that very carefully.  There is the region on Mars of the stone face:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cydonia_(region_of_Mars)

there are the granite cliffs in New Hampshire:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man_of_the_Mountain

there is "The Great Stone Face" actor, Buster Keaton:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buster_Keaton

*I find him interesting because of Michael's love of film (he was also in an episode of The Twilight Zone)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time_(The_Twilight_Zone)
he was also in the final episode of the television version of The Greatest Show on Earth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Show_on_Earth_(TV_series)

there is also Nathaniel Hawthorne's work about The Great Stone Face itself:
http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/nhawthorne/bl-nhaw-greatst.htm

All in all, I think we were given that phrase for a reason.....Michael's face is not all that stone like to me.
A stone face shows no emotion....to me there is plenty of emotion, I am just trying to figure which emotion
I am to see.........any thoughts?  Or am I barking up the wrong tree, lol...........

Blessings!

he looks impatient... like he has places to go, people to see and the whole having his picture taken was taking too long, a general annoyance, I see that expression a lot  ;) on another look, is there a slight smirk?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: wishingstar on January 04, 2013, 12:47:43 AM
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So this whole saying of "stone face" seems odd to me......so I dug around.  Turns out a few different things I found made me
think the TMZ chose that very carefully.  There is the region on Mars of the stone face:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cydonia_(region_of_Mars)

there are the granite cliffs in New Hampshire:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man_of_the_Mountain

there is "The Great Stone Face" actor, Buster Keaton:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buster_Keaton

*I find him interesting because of Michael's love of film (he was also in an episode of The Twilight Zone)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time_(The_Twilight_Zone)
he was also in the final episode of the television version of The Greatest Show on Earth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Show_on_Earth_(TV_series)

there is also Nathaniel Hawthorne's work about The Great Stone Face itself:
http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/nhawthorne/bl-nhaw-greatst.htm

All in all, I think we were given that phrase for a reason.....Michael's face is not all that stone like to me.
A stone face shows no emotion....to me there is plenty of emotion, I am just trying to figure which emotion
I am to see.........any thoughts?  Or am I barking up the wrong tree, lol...........

Blessings!

he looks impatient... like he has places to go, people to see and the whole having his picture taken was taking too long, a general annoyance, I see that expression a lot  ;) on another look, is there a slight smirk?

Yes....a slight smirk behind those eyes, on those lips for sure......he's up to something......at least that's what I see, lol. 
This was a supposed driver's license.......not a mug shot.  I don't know know too many people who take great DL photos......
good-golly I had to take my last one when I was pregnant....so not fair to a hormone-raging sack of emotions! Not my finest
moment for sure........barring the fact that I am sure Michael wasn't pregnant at the time of the picture, and he's totally capable
of making any photo gorgeous...I am sure this "look" is on purpose.......stone face, not so much for me.  A face of a thousand
looks, emotions and thoughts........Michael can use his bodacious good looks in many ways...this is one of many photos that
proves it for me. 

Great post and thoughts leilani....THANK YOU : )
Blessings Always
LOVE
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: SimPattyK on January 04, 2013, 01:00:18 AM
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All in all, I think we were given that phrase for a reason.....Michael's face is not all that stone like to me.
A stone face shows no emotion....to me there is plenty of emotion, I am just trying to figure which emotion
I am to see.........any thoughts?  Or am I barking up the wrong tree, lol...........

Blessings!
he looks impatient... like he has places to go, people to see and the whole having his picture taken was taking too long, a general annoyance, I see that expression a lot  ;) on another look, is there a slight smirk?
WoW Wishy! amazing links!! thanks for that research!! i also thought there was something about the title that we needed to catch up on! I think you just did!

Regarding the photo, as I said from the beginning, I think it's a recent photo of Michael! [I mean more recent than 2009  :icon_geek:  :icon_e_wink: ] and I think it was done intentionally NOT to fit the required standards for such an ID document, and all to make it obvious it's a fake driver's license, signature missing, format doesn't not correspond with the normal one! plus we have numerology clues, so it just simply CAN't be a legal DL! possibly some photoshop work on it, too, I'm not sure though...
- there's not enough light, which can totally deform a person's face, by throwing shadows here and there, which covers the distinct facial features;
- there's too much hair on his face for a "legaL" photo lol
- his face is downwards , while it should be upwards (chin up) , that's how they make you pose for such photos, so that your face is visible!
- and his expression is that of a naughty prankster lol like like he's thinking: "OK, let's see if they [us] can figure this out! will my dear hoaxers recognize me? hee hee Will my enemies laugh and gossip me? heehee How many people will actually eat my doughnut and believe that this is a legal document? hee hee OMG! I'll have so much fun watching people's reactions! :)) " :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_geek:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: wishingstar on January 04, 2013, 01:13:12 AM
"eat my doughnut"
 :thjajaja121:
I have never heard that...but love it!!!  Going to be used a lot by me, lol.......

Thanks for the post, Sim......just some thoughts.....

HUGS!!!!

PS> love love love your new sig, Sim......never feel blue when I see them together
like that!  Beautiful....
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: SimPattyK on January 04, 2013, 02:13:00 AM
lmao Wishy  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: That's actually a Romanian expression  :icon_lol:
Here when someone is trying to play pranks/fool people, we say that person is "selling doughnuts" and the person who falls for it/believes it, is the one who "eats it/swallows it" loll  :icon_lol:

yep! I have 2 blue angels in my sig, can't help smiling at them  :-*
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 04, 2013, 09:36:00 AM
even with skin bleeching, Michael still has a few patches of dark pigmentation.


 :Pulling_hair: screw you vitiligo!!!! Sorry talking about my own here not, MJs. It Sux! Struggling at the moment in summer, keeping it out of sun is so hard. Esp on hands and face.

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: applehead250609 on January 04, 2013, 10:10:17 AM
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wishingstar
January 04, 2013, 06:13:50 AM »
............ But it did make me smile :)applehead....nice to see you...blessings!

Nice to"see you too" Wish  :-* !!!!
A happy New Year to everyone here and let's hope that The Truth will prevail  :) .
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 04, 2013, 10:16:08 AM
welcome back apple!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: finfin on January 04, 2013, 01:10:10 PM

At the bottom of the licence is a notice indicating it is a copy, hence the lack of a signature and other details - height, weight and address

" I hereby certify that the document to which this is affixed is a true copy of the records of the Department of Motor Vehicles".

                                                                              (http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q521/finfinfiona1/1221-subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1-1-1-1.jpg?t=1357325207)


Here is a section from the DMV website giving the information about obtaining a copy

maybe TMZ was able to obtain a copy perhaps via a family member or another one of their sources

How to get a copy of someone else's driver license, ID card, vehicle or vessel record

Vehicle, vessel, driver license and identification (ID) card records are open to public inspection. Confidential information, such as social security numbers and residence addresses, may only be disclosed to a court, law enforcement agency or other individual when they are authorized by a specific federal or state statute.

To request vehicle registration record or driver license/identification card record information, complete a Request for Record Information INF 70 form.

Effective March 24, 2010, casual requestors cannot immediately obtain information from his/her spouse, minor child, or registered domestic partner. If you wish to obtain the vehicle registration record or driver license/identification card record information of your spouse, minor child, or registered domestic partner, please complete an INF 70 .

Mail your request with the appropriate fees (provided on form) to:

Department of Motor Vehicles
Public Operations, Unit-G199
P. O. BOX 944247
Sacramento, California 94244-2470.

The form must be submitted to DMV headquarters in Sacramento for processing as the law requires DMV send a copy of the request form to the subject of record.

NOTE: You will not receive residence address information unless a state or federal statute is cited and approved by code name and section number that authorizes or requires the release.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/faq/genfaq.htm


Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: applehead250609 on January 04, 2013, 02:06:54 PM
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voiceforthesilent
December 25, 2012, 11:08:06 AM »
Oh my gosh - is there ever a time where we will see pictures from the same era and all agree that it is or isn't Michael? LOL - I, for one, haven't believe for years that we've seen the real Michael every single time and these two pictures are no diferent. The only other explanation is that Michael deliberately changes his appearance.

Touche  :th_bravo:!!!!
We are watching The Master at work for a long time now ;D .
If you have seen something before, your mind does not consider it important to see it again, and does not let you see it; it edits your life.But in Michael's case is the opposite ,he is always transforming everything,changing things and makes you wanting for more.When you see a rose through the mind, you do not see it as it truly is. Your mind does this with everything, unless it perceives it as New, Special, or Dangerous  ;).


Yes, Applehead - brilliant explanation. Michael knows human nature and because of this, along with his desire to give the greatest show on earth, we've been seeing the master at work since he was young (old enough to call his own shots). Speaking solely on his appearances, I cannot get out of my mind reading of when Ramone Baine recalled seeing MJ on TV for his famous mug photo shot and the words of one who had spent the night before at Neverland with him - saying, "that is not the same Michael".   :icon_lol:

Yes, we can laugh because we've come to the see the truth in it - at least it makes the most sense of all. And, yes, Michael without makeup is extremely handsome.

I wonder if that is why they put a picture of one of the impersonators on the stone tribute in Gary, IN. To further fuel the thought of "is it or isn't it".  :smiley-vault-misc-150:



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welcome back apple!


Voice and Australian thank you very much for the nice words,you are both so kind...... always  :-*  :bearhug: !!!!!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Jowayria on January 04, 2013, 04:13:23 PM
(http://www.up-king.com/almaciat/t0u49dzj1vjcv8vi6igw.png) (http://www.up-king.com/)

The picture below was taken in March 2005 , the same year the picture TMZ published was taken . ( or so it is claimed )

(http://www.up-king.com/almaciat/rynqazecebf35ethrtjr.jpg) (http://www.up-king.com/)

Does the 2005 picture match the picture that TMZ posted ? Of course not , because it wasn't taken in 2005 ! and I believe that it was taken for hoaxy matters and not for a DL !
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MJonmind on January 05, 2013, 01:31:32 AM
This is just one of the things he does to alter appearance, lipstick outside his actual lips. It adds to public's confusion. :michael_jackson-1135:

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/lipstickmj.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/lipsmj.jpg)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: suspicious mind on January 05, 2013, 12:08:48 PM
don't understand why he wouldn't use makeup to take that pic.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bec on January 05, 2013, 12:13:09 PM
He is wearing makeup.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on January 05, 2013, 01:34:59 PM
He has tattooed makeup on his eyes and lips.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Jowayria on January 05, 2013, 02:06:19 PM
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He has tattooed makeup on his eyes and lips.

Are you sure about that ?  :confused:

(http://www.up-king.com/almaciat/2mdwcu42hfdgzefiqund.jpg) (http://www.up-king.com/)

(http://www.up-king.com/almaciat/gle9q5oqbrmxnidcaqt6.jpg) (http://www.up-king.com/)

I can find you thousands of pictures in which he posed without having his makeup on !
[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElTFXtP9mws [/youtube]
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on January 05, 2013, 03:36:07 PM
Yeah.. sweetsunset. How are you so sure to say MJ has tattooed make-up on his eyes? The only place I've heard that was the autopsy.  :icon_e_confused: :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bonnie2013 on January 05, 2013, 03:37:21 PM
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He has tattooed makeup on his eyes and lips.

Are you sure about that ?  :confused:

(http://www.up-king.com/almaciat/2mdwcu42hfdgzefiqund.jpg) (http://www.up-king.com/)

(http://www.up-king.com/almaciat/gle9q5oqbrmxnidcaqt6.jpg) (http://www.up-king.com/)

I can find you thousands of pictures in which he posed without having his makeup on !
[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElTFXtP9mws [/youtube]

Yes... Michael does have tattooed eye liner and lip liner. Michael wrote about it in his autobiography "Moonwalker." It was written sometime in the '80s.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bec on January 05, 2013, 06:46:28 PM
Do you believe what he said or do you believe what you see?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Jowayria on January 05, 2013, 07:06:30 PM
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Do you believe what he said or do you believe what you see?

I so wanna believe him but my eyes can't be lying ! can they ?

Suppose he had the eyeliner tattooed , why wouldn't he say it in the inteview in which he aslo  said he didn't do anything else to change his body except the nose job, and his skin disorder vitiligo which he couldn't control since it was genetic or either resulted from the shocks or depression of childhood.

But again , maybe he wasn't talking about a permanent tattoo !
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bec on January 05, 2013, 07:40:02 PM
Tattoo=permanent so no, he was quite clear.

Suppose he lied. So what? Why shouldn't he lie? Who's business is it anyway? And what does it matter if he has tattooed eyeliner or not? Do you see what I'm saying?

TS may be slippery but MJ is the slipperiest one of them all.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bonnie2013 on January 05, 2013, 07:42:32 PM
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Do you believe what he said or do you believe what you see?

I believe that Michael does have permanent makeup. The first picture was taken before he had it applied. In the second picture, I see faint eyeliner... if there isn't any then it could be covered with concealer. It's quite simple really...
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: bec on January 05, 2013, 07:50:00 PM
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Do you believe what he said or do you believe what you see?

I believe that Michael does have permanent makeup. The first picture was taken before he had it applied. In the second picture, I see faint eyeliner... if there isn't any then it could be covered with concealer. It's quite simple really...

You might be right after all.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: heartofgold on January 05, 2013, 10:14:51 PM
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At the bottom of the licence is a notice indicating it is a copy, hence the lack of a signature and other details - height, weight and address

" I hereby certify that the document to which this is affixed is a true copy of the records of the Department of Motor Vehicles".

                                                                              (http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q521/finfinfiona1/1221-subasset-michael-jackson-driverslicense-1-1-1-1.jpg?t=1357325207)


Here is a section from the DMV website giving the information about obtaining a copy

maybe TMZ was able to obtain a copy perhaps via a family member or another one of their sources

How to get a copy of someone else's driver license, ID card, vehicle or vessel record

Vehicle, vessel, driver license and identification (ID) card records are open to public inspection. Confidential information, such as social security numbers and residence addresses, may only be disclosed to a court, law enforcement agency or other individual when they are authorized by a specific federal or state statute.

To request vehicle registration record or driver license/identification card record information, complete a Request for Record Information INF 70 form.

Effective March 24, 2010, casual requestors cannot immediately obtain information from his/her spouse, minor child, or registered domestic partner. If you wish to obtain the vehicle registration record or driver license/identification card record information of your spouse, minor child, or registered domestic partner, please complete an INF 70 .

Mail your request with the appropriate fees (provided on form) to:

Department of Motor Vehicles
Public Operations, Unit-G199
P. O. BOX 944247
Sacramento, California 94244-2470.

The form must be submitted to DMV headquarters in Sacramento for processing as the law requires DMV send a copy of the request form to the subject of record.

NOTE: You will not receive residence address information unless a state or federal statute is cited and approved by code name and section number that authorizes or requires the release.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/faq/genfaq.htm

Thank you for your accurate information, you did your homework very well
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: MJonmind on January 06, 2013, 12:08:42 AM
Bec
Quote
TS may be slippery but MJ is the slipperiest one of them all.
Truer words were never spoken.  They have a lot in common.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 06, 2013, 11:05:31 PM
There is such a thing a semi perm make up tattooing.

I'm getting some done (skin tone tattoo) over the white vitiligo patches on my hands. A lady in my suburb does it and we places all over Melbourne that offer semi permanant make up tattooing. Google it.

It's risk free because if I don't like it it's not permanant. If I like it, I will try blend the vitiligo patches on my face.

Similar technique to regular tattooing but it doesn't draw blood. It doesn't go that far down the same amount of layers like traditional tattooing.

Not saying this is what he has, more the point we don't know what procedure / technique he has had done.

And does it matter anyway?




Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 06, 2013, 11:12:33 PM
But I think it's just make up - jmo :)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: Thriller4ever on January 07, 2013, 01:15:54 AM
I made this DL pic HD and removed that crappy grain with my software....i think it's Michael

check out, 

(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/641/12212michaeljacksondriv.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/12212michaeljacksondriv.png/)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on January 07, 2013, 02:46:33 AM
wow, good job thriller.. :) thank you
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: suspicious mind on January 07, 2013, 06:05:11 AM
ummm seems like later years every photo was covering the face with the hair to some degree yet it seems the  only time during tii when he didn't have it pulled back was when we see him just being an observer.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: diggyon on January 07, 2013, 06:19:48 AM
The only part of the face that cannot be changed if someone wears make-up, is the nose. This is MJ's nose for sure.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on January 07, 2013, 01:55:44 PM
Yes, Australian it is possible because my Grandma has eyeliner tattooed on.  :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: suspicious mind on January 07, 2013, 05:50:07 PM
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Yes, Australian it is possible because my Grandma has eyeliner tattooed on.  :icon_e_smile:

 :icon_pale: you could not pay me enough!!! wonder how he stood that if he didn't like needles?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON'S DRIVER'S LICENSE Stone-Faced Stare
Post by: applehead250609 on January 11, 2013, 10:17:07 AM
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I made this DL pic HD and removed that crappy grain with my software....i think it's Michael

check out,

(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/641/12212michaeljacksondriv.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/12212michaeljacksondriv.png/)

If that is Michael in 2005 ,lol who in the heck is "this fatless"  ;) and beautiful man in the studio,if not Michael ?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg22hWYcs8M[/youtube]
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