Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Welcome! => MJDHI Announcements => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on January 05, 2013, 08:34:02 PM

Title: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 05, 2013, 08:34:02 PM
Some might not agree with what I am going to do, but I will do it anyway. I am going to close the complete 'Forum Favorites' category, which means all things related to Front, TS and messages to MJ. I will explain why.


First of all, the Messages to Michael category is getting ridiculous. I had hoped people would use HoaxBook for the messages and just post a little on the forum, but it seems like the thread to MJ is the main thread here now and it's really just a few posters who are posting tons of stuff that is unrelated to the hoax and if I post a video to lighten up the mood, I get slapped for it because I would be disrespectful. Yeah, let's just use HoaxBook for all the quotes and the poems from now on, so I don't have to be irritated anymore.

Then we have TS. TS has said from the start he is NOT MJ, but people choose not to believe that. For 3 years he has tried to make people think, research for themselves and he has showed stuff no one paid much attention too. It was educational but now that TS was wrong on his last BAM date, all people do now is moan and whine about that in every TIAI post there is. Nothing is on topic anymore. I want to thank him for 3 years of dedication, but TIAI has come to an end for me because now it will hopefully be seen still as a great help in research and not as something that only had a wrong BAM date. People seem to forget what people were capable of finding out when he challenged you. Lots of BS theories were debunked, others confirmed. Take a lesson from the challenges and research with that in mind.

The Front thread is nothing more than an idolation of an online persona. Whatever he says must be investigated and people attack each other in that thread when they think it might please Front. It was entertaining as long as it lasted, but I am done with it. Front will still be a member here and he can participate in the ongoing threads like anyone else, but I do not want this one thread, that isn't even on topic most of the time, to be the main attraction of this forum. This is an investigation forum but it has lost its purpose. People are desperately trying to connect dots that aren't even there. Comparisons that are beyond ridiculous and everything coming from MJ's own mouth is being ignored.

From now on this forum will have actual research on it concerning MJ's life and the hoax and nothing more. If you want to discuss Front, make a group on HoaxBook. If you want to evaluate 3 years of TIAI, make a group on HoaxBook. The threads will stay here as an archive, so nothing will be lost but they need to be closed before it really gets ridiculous with focus only on the BAM, because that is only such a small part of it. Both members have accounts on HoaxBook, so they can post there if they want, or participate in active threads on the forum.

No more vague comparisons, no more discussions with a thousand assumptions that have nothing to do with the hoax or MJ's life, but actual research. There are so much topics that are being ignored or forgotten, I would like to see that back. The trial, the Pepsi 'accident', the events on June 25th, his work, the vultures, the autopsy etc. etc. TS once mentioned coherent theories. Try to form one of those, one that will connect all dots. Yes that will take time and effort, but it will get us closer to what REALLY happened. Because what did happen? Think about that, review, research, rethink and come up with something that makes sense. No more vague clues desperately worked out to something that makes no sense when you look at the rest of the story. Make a group on HoaxBook called 'Clues??' if you think you found a clue in some TV show.

I do not want any more BAM moaning either. People listen to everyone but MJ himself, who said 'we have 4 years to get it right'. After that, moan and whine as much as you want, but for now I would appreciate it if we can go back to the research. Maybe we can finally get a little closer to the truth instead of drifting further away from it.

A last thing: I do not want to see any bitching towards any member, but especially not towards moderators. If you have a problem with someone for whatever reason, contact me. Do not start a fight on the forum because I am really done with that. A moderator can make decisions but are still people. If you do not agree with it, you use me as a mediator. Any fighiting on the board will be deleted and members participating will get a vacation.

If you have any questions about what to discuss here and what to discuss on HoaxBook, post them here. Same goes for any other questions you might have.

Let's start hoaxing again, shall we?
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Jowayria on January 05, 2013, 09:08:15 PM
Are we allowed to disagree ?  :icon_mrgreen:

Well , a lot of ppl here gained my respect and u are one of them Souza ( no ass kissing I swear  :icon_lol: ) But there  are quite a few things with which I don't agree in your post .
- I've always thought of the Messages to MJ thread as the escaping gate from the hoax and all the oddities which surround it .. Never did I consider it as a place to analyse or talk about  the hoax .. I mean we have a lot of threads to do so , don't we ? and it's called " Messages to MJ " !!  It's a relaxing place in which we all send lovely messages to Michael , sometimes melodramatic ones ( lol ) , quotes and all .. I don't see the bad side of it .. !
( I love that thread  :icon_e_sad: :icon_cry: )
 
- Apart from being a sort of circus lately , The Official Front thread was created to investigate whatever that person says in order to clear the obscurity  that surrounds him .. I agree that he is just one of us and that nothing so special may be about him , but the thread was kind of dedicated to him , right ?
We now know that TS and Front know each other ( that is if they weren't the same person ) , so why would we praise one and forget about the other . The truth is whenever someone agrees with Front , they automatically get called  ass kissers , but whenever they agree with TS , they're just being thoughtful , wise and all .

I so agree with you that it's not about the BAM , that we're missing out a lot f things while putting so much focus on it , and that The man's message itself has been kind of ignored ... But aren't you curious to know what TS has to say to justify his false prediction ?


Souza , trust me , I'm not trying to tell what to do coz you'll do the right thing anyways , but can't you put this decision off at least until we get the justification from TS we'll can't wait to read ?  :icon_e_sad:
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 05, 2013, 09:15:44 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Are we allowed to disagree ?  :icon_mrgreen:

Well , a lot of ppl here gained my respect and u are one of them Souza ( no ass kissing I swear  :icon_lol: ) But there  are quite a few things with which I don't agree in your post .
- I've always thought of the Messages to MJ thread as the escaping gate from the hoax and all the oddities which surround it .. Never did I consider it as a place to analyse or talk about  the hoax .. I mean we have a lot of threads to do so , don't we ? and it's called " Messages to MJ " !!  It's a relaxing place in which we all send lovely messages to Michael , sometimes melodramatic ones ( lol ) , quotes and all .. I don't see the bad side of it .. !
( I love that thread  :icon_e_sad: :icon_cry: )
 
- Apart from being a sort of circus lately , The Official Front thread was created to investigate whatever that person says in order to clear the obscurity  that surrounds him .. I agree that he is just one of us and that nothing so special may be about him , but the thread was kind of dedicated to him , right ?
We now know that TS and Front know each other ( that is if they weren't the same person ) , so why would we praise one and forget about the other . The truth is whenever someone agrees with Front , they automatically get called  ass kissers , but whenever they agree with TS , they're just being thoughtful , wise and all .

I so agree with you that it's not about the BAM , that we're missing out a lot f things while putting so much focus on it , and that The man's message itself has been kind of ignored ... But aren't you curious to know what TS has to say to justify his false prediction ?


Souza , trust me , I'm not trying to tell what to do coz you'll do the right thing anyways , but can't you put this decision off at least until we get the justification from TS we'll can't wait to read ?  :icon_e_sad:

As I said, HoaxBook can be used for anything I closed now. People that want to 'escape' the hoax can post whatever they want there. But this forum was set up for investigation, no ass kissing threads towards anyone where people end up attacking others. So I am not saying people can't post messages to Michael, I am just saying not on here. The forum is for investigation only.

Did you ever ask anyone else to justificate their wrong BAM dates? I made predictions that didn't come out, do I have to justificate myself? TS can be PM-ed also. I just want the BAM moaning to go and people to remember the lessons leard from TIAI and focus on the BAM. Michael said 4 years. Give the man 4 years.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Adi on January 05, 2013, 09:28:03 PM
I don't have a problem with this.....especially if it stops people moaning and bitching.

A genuine question though: in the rare event that TS ever does post a re-direct again or do an update or whatever - where should we discuss it?
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 05, 2013, 09:32:05 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
I don't have a problem with this.....especially if it stops people moaning and bitching.

A genuine question though: in the rare event that TS ever does post a re-direct again or do an update or whatever - where should we discuss it?

TS will read this too, I bet that if he has anything to say or redirect, that he will find a way.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: MysticFairy on January 05, 2013, 09:37:13 PM
I understand and respect your decision Souza. It was sad for me to see how some jumped on the 'TS is a fake' wagon so fast. I do not believe TS gave us a wrong BAM date but I do believe that the BAM was postponed because of the "complications". We do not know what is going on at the back stage of the hoax, so I think we should be patient. I know it is hard after 3 1/2 years but if we decide to stay with the hoax then we have to keep on searching in the waiting room. Thank you for your hard work and dedication. Blessings to all of you.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Jowayria on January 05, 2013, 09:42:54 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Michael said 4 years. Give the man 4 years.

Damn right !!   :icon_bounce:


 :smiley_abuv:
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: suspicious mind on January 05, 2013, 10:02:18 PM
humm it actually crossed my mind earlier today that with the swift and sudden fall from grace ( :icon_e_wink:) of ts and front that perhaps the forum could get back to the good ole time investigating.

Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Snoopy71 on January 05, 2013, 10:27:59 PM
Done & Done ... :compute:
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: heartofgold on January 05, 2013, 10:30:44 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Some might not agree with what I am going to do, but I will do it anyway. I am going to close the complete 'Forum Favorites' category, which means all things related to Front, TS and messages to MJ. I will explain why.


First of all, the Messages to Michael category is getting ridiculous. I had hoped people would use HoaxBook for the messages and just post a little on the forum, but it seems like the thread to MJ is the main thread here now and it's really just a few posters who are posting tons of stuff that is unrelated to the hoax and if I post a video to lighten up the mood, I get slapped for it because I would be disrespectful. Yeah, let's just use HoaxBook for all the quotes and the poems from now on, so I don't have to be irritated anymore.

Then we have TS. TS has said from the start he is NOT MJ, but people choose not to believe that. For 3 years he has tried to make people think, research for themselves and he has showed stuff no one paid much attention too. It was educational but now that TS was wrong on his last BAM date, all people do now is moan and whine about that in every TIAI post there is. Nothing is on topic anymore. I want to thank him for 3 years of dedication, but TIAI has come to an end for me because now it will hopefully be seen still as a great help in research and not as something that only had a wrong BAM date. People seem to forget what people were capable of finding out when he challenged you. Lots of BS theories were debunked, others confirmed. Take a lesson from the challenges and research with that in mind.

The Front thread is nothing more than an idolation of an online persona. Whatever he says must be investigated and people attack each other in that thread when they think it might please Front. It was entertaining as long as it lasted, but I am done with it. Front will still be a member here and he can participate in the ongoing threads like anyone else, but I do not want this one thread, that isn't even on topic most of the time, to be the main attraction of this forum. This is an investigation forum but it has lost its purpose. People are desperately trying to connect dots that aren't even there. Comparisons that are beyond ridiculous and everything coming from MJ's own mouth is being ignored.

From now on this forum will have actual research on it concerning MJ's life and the hoax and nothing more. If you want to discuss Front, make a group on HoaxBook. If you want to evaluate 3 years of TIAI, make a group on HoaxBook. The threads will stay here as an archive, so nothing will be lost but they need to be closed before it really gets ridiculous with focus only on the BAM, because that is only such a small part of it. Both members have accounts on HoaxBook, so they can post there if they want, or participate in active threads on the forum.

No more vague comparisons, no more discussions with a thousand assumptions that have nothing to do with the hoax or MJ's life, but actual research. There are so much topics that are being ignored or forgotten, I would like to see that back. The trial, the Pepsi 'accident', the events on June 25th, his work, the vultures, the autopsy etc. etc. TS once mentioned coherent theories. Try to form one of those, one that will connect all dots. Yes that will take time and effort, but it will get us closer to what REALLY happened. Because what did happen? Think about that, review, research, rethink and come up with something that makes sense. No more vague clues desperately worked out to something that makes no sense when you look at the rest of the story. Make a group on HoaxBook called 'Clues??' if you think you found a clue in some TV show.

I do not want any more BAM moaning either. People listen to everyone but MJ himself, who said 'we have 4 years to get it right'. After that, moan and whine as much as you want, but for now I would appreciate it if we can go back to the research. Maybe we can finally get a little closer to the truth instead of drifting further away from it.

A last thing: I do not want to see any bitching towards any member, but especially not towards moderators. If you have a problem with someone for whatever reason, contact me. Do not start a fight on the forum because I am really done with that. A moderator can make decisions but are still people. If you do not agree with it, you use me as a mediator. Any fighiting on the board will be deleted and members participating will get a vacation.

If you have any questions about what to discuss here and what to discuss on HoaxBook, post them here. Same goes for any other questions you might have.

Let's start hoaxing again, shall we?

Souza amazing post. I feel Ts did not lie to us, he is an informer and knows. Does it occur to anyone that maybe just maybe Michael Jackson was suppose to BAM as TS stated,but there were complications ? Something out of his control happened and couldn`t come back as of yet? It is so easy to jumpto conclusion without any real proof and facts, pointing the finger saying he is a fraud. With concrete proof, then you can point the finger, for now we should give TS Front the benefit of the doubt. Much love and God bless
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: heartofgold on January 05, 2013, 10:33:44 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
I understand and respect your decision Souza. It was sad for me to see how some jumped on the 'TS is a fake' wagon so fast. I do not believe TS gave us a wrong BAM date but I do believe that the BAM was postponed because of the "complications". We do not know what is going on at the back stage of the hoax, so I think we should be patient. I know it is hard after 3 1/2 years but if we decide to stay with the hoax then we have to keep on searching in the waiting room. Thank you for your hard work and dedication. Blessings to all of you.

I agree and said the same thing, nice to see someone who thinks the same..  
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 05, 2013, 10:37:08 PM
I don't really care if people are fake or real, I am interested in the information they give. A 'fake' one may give awesome info where a 'real' one might have been planted to post BS. That is why I don't care about any justifications from anyone, I will look at the info given and if it makes sense, it makes sense and it doesn't matter who it is coming from. Same goes when it does not make sense.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Andrea on January 05, 2013, 10:39:59 PM



You have my support Souza.  The hoax investigation needs to move forward and to do so we must get back to the basics. 
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: voiceforthesilent on January 05, 2013, 11:33:16 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
humm it actually crossed my mind earlier today that with the swift and sudden fall from grace ( :icon_e_wink:) of ts and front that perhaps the forum could get back to the good ole time investigating.

I agree. Thank you Souza for bringing this back on track.

We've done one heck of a job finding information and piecing it together these last 3 1/2 years - and I can't wait to see us get back to that.

Blessings to you all
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: onthewingsoflove on January 06, 2013, 12:36:23 AM
Yes it would be nice to get back to investigating the hoax, because I am still stuck on whether or not the court was a "sting court." What ever became of that? Did I miss it? And if it was a sting court who or what, is or was, the subject of the sting? If I missed it can someone fill me in? And what about the body? Is there a concensus among the members that it was the body of a terminally ill person or not?

It's interesting that just yesterday I was thinking about three particular statements: "We have four years to get it right"; "See you in July" and "May the 4th be with you!" It appears to me that we have a little while to "chill" and prepare ourselves for that awesome day (maybe get self out of the way for some of us), do some more hoax investigating, and stop trying to conjure up a BAM date!

Thanks Souza! Once again you are a woman after my own heart!

Oh by the way, has anyone figured out exactly what it is that we have to get right in four short years? Or did I miss that also?

Stay blessed my friends!

OnTheWingsOfLove

Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: katy (MJFAN7) on January 06, 2013, 12:42:58 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Both members have accounts on HoaxBook, so they can post there if they want, or participate in active threads on the forum.

I don't find anyone on hoaxbook with the names of Front or TS... what are their usernames on there?  :confused:
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 06, 2013, 12:43:44 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Both members have accounts on HoaxBook, so they can post there if they want, or participate in active threads on the forum.

I don't find anyone on hoaxbook with the names of Front or TS... what are their usernames on there?  :confused:

Front & TS... lol
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 06, 2013, 12:50:37 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Both members have accounts on HoaxBook, so they can post there if they want, or participate in active threads on the forum.

I don't find anyone on hoaxbook with the names of Front or TS... what are their usernames on there?  :confused:

Front & TS... lol

I see they aren't there anymore. Maybe changed usernames. Anyway, they can always sign up if they haven't already, but I am sure I saw both having signed up already.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: hesouttamylife on January 06, 2013, 01:54:28 PM
(http://letsrollforums.com/images/smilies/cheer.gif) Thank you Souza.  :abouttime:
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: guestfortheday on January 06, 2013, 02:46:46 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Michael said 4 years. Give the man 4 years.

Damn right !!   :icon_bounce:


 :smiley_abuv:

finally got to the correct year. back to 3 years, everyone (except for a few members) would calculate 4 years = 2012.  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: hopi on January 06, 2013, 03:13:54 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Michael said 4 years. Give the man 4 years.

Damn right !!   :icon_bounce:


 :smiley_abuv:

finally got to the correct year. back to 3 years, everyone (except for a few members) would calculate 4 years = 2012.  :icon_rolleyes:

June 25th 2009 to June 25th 2013 = 4 years...
release date ThisIsIt October 29th 2009 to October 29th = 4 years...
so depending on when it started the 4 year period ends in 2013
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: lettingitsimmer on January 06, 2013, 03:40:39 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Some might not agree with what I am going to do, but I will do it anyway. I am going to close the complete 'Forum Favorites' category, which means all things related to Front, TS and messages to MJ. I will explain why.


First of all, the Messages to Michael category is getting ridiculous. I had hoped people would use HoaxBook for the messages and just post a little on the forum, but it seems like the thread to MJ is the main thread here now and it's really just a few posters who are posting tons of stuff that is unrelated to the hoax and if I post a video to lighten up the mood, I get slapped for it because I would be disrespectful. Yeah, let's just use HoaxBook for all the quotes and the poems from now on, so I don't have to be irritated anymore.

Then we have TS. TS has said from the start he is NOT MJ, but people choose not to believe that. For 3 years he has tried to make people think, research for themselves and he has showed stuff no one paid much attention too. It was educational but now that TS was wrong on his last BAM date, all people do now is moan and whine about that in every TIAI post there is. Nothing is on topic anymore. I want to thank him for 3 years of dedication, but TIAI has come to an end for me because now it will hopefully be seen still as a great help in research and not as something that only had a wrong BAM date. People seem to forget what people were capable of finding out when he challenged you. Lots of BS theories were debunked, others confirmed. Take a lesson from the challenges and research with that in mind.

The Front thread is nothing more than an idolation of an online persona. Whatever he says must be investigated and people attack each other in that thread when they think it might please Front. It was entertaining as long as it lasted, but I am done with it. Front will still be a member here and he can participate in the ongoing threads like anyone else, but I do not want this one thread, that isn't even on topic most of the time, to be the main attraction of this forum. This is an investigation forum but it has lost its purpose. People are desperately trying to connect dots that aren't even there. Comparisons that are beyond ridiculous and everything coming from MJ's own mouth is being ignored.

From now on this forum will have actual research on it concerning MJ's life and the hoax and nothing more. If you want to discuss Front, make a group on HoaxBook. If you want to evaluate 3 years of TIAI, make a group on HoaxBook. The threads will stay here as an archive, so nothing will be lost but they need to be closed before it really gets ridiculous with focus only on the BAM, because that is only such a small part of it. Both members have accounts on HoaxBook, so they can post there if they want, or participate in active threads on the forum.

No more vague comparisons, no more discussions with a thousand assumptions that have nothing to do with the hoax or MJ's life, but actual research. There are so much topics that are being ignored or forgotten, I would like to see that back. The trial, the Pepsi 'accident', the events on June 25th, his work, the vultures, the autopsy etc. etc. TS once mentioned coherent theories. Try to form one of those, one that will connect all dots. Yes that will take time and effort, but it will get us closer to what REALLY happened. Because what did happen? Think about that, review, research, rethink and come up with something that makes sense. No more vague clues desperately worked out to something that makes no sense when you look at the rest of the story. Make a group on HoaxBook called 'Clues??' if you think you found a clue in some TV show.

I do not want any more BAM moaning either. People listen to everyone but MJ himself, who said 'we have 4 years to get it right'. After that, moan and whine as much as you want, but for now I would appreciate it if we can go back to the research. Maybe we can finally get a little closer to the truth instead of drifting further away from it.

A last thing: I do not want to see any bitching towards any member, but especially not towards moderators. If you have a problem with someone for whatever reason, contact me. Do not start a fight on the forum because I am really done with that. A moderator can make decisions but are still people. If you do not agree with it, you use me as a mediator. Any fighiting on the board will be deleted and members participating will get a vacation.

If you have any questions about what to discuss here and what to discuss on HoaxBook, post them here. Same goes for any other questions you might have.

Let's start hoaxing again, shall we?
Hi Souza
Just to say thanks for the thread "OPEN THREAD TO MICHAEL JACKSON HIMSELF"under the Topic "Messages to Mihael". Was  not investigation, absolutely..the posters knew that..was just friendly support  between people, some of whom were hurting bad.  I like to call the way we interacted  "support, and friendship". others have different terms of reference.. we are all different in our outlooks.. that is life.. it was great to  talk to people from all over the world, with the same positive focus on Michael and his positive messages to heal the world.. I wish everyone a great 2013.. and may we act, not just talk about, Making That Change"  Over and out! LOL with L.O.V.E. always x
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: lettingitsimmer on January 06, 2013, 03:50:53 PM
EDIT>> "Messages to MICHAEL"
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: wishingstar on January 06, 2013, 04:02:11 PM
Well, I suppose change is good.  Each time we go through these "growing pains" I hold on tight,
and things always seem to work out.  I trust that this will be another one of those times.  I appreciate
your hard work, Souza.  I may not understand things all the time, but always try my best to be a supportive
member.   
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Jowayria on January 06, 2013, 04:10:07 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Michael said 4 years. Give the man 4 years.

Damn right !!   :icon_bounce:


 :smiley_abuv:

finally got to the correct year. back to 3 years, everyone (except for a few members) would calculate 4 years = 2012.  :icon_rolleyes:

June 25th 2009 to June 25th 2013 = 4 years...
release date ThisIsIt October 29th 2009 to October 29th = 4 years...
so depending on when it started the 4 year period ends in 2013

Actually it was released on October 28th , maybe + one day of simmering = October 29th ?
But as Murray is said ro be freed October 28, 2013 (unless he is let out early on bail ) , I really believe that this would be the date Michael hinted when he said " we have four years to get it right ... "
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: shorty on January 06, 2013, 04:10:27 PM
Sorry, i can`t understand this. I feel So sad , about that. Sorry Michael,
Hoaxbook is not mines.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 06, 2013, 04:40:54 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Sorry, i can`t understand this. I feel So sad , about that. Sorry Michael,
Hoaxbook is not mines.

I think Michael will live...
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on January 06, 2013, 05:16:41 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Sorry, i can`t understand this. I feel So sad , about that. Sorry Michael,
Hoaxbook is not mines.

Sorry I don't get what you mean?
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: blankie on January 06, 2013, 05:40:43 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login



You have my support Souza.  The hoax investigation needs to move forward and to do so we must get back to the basics.

 The same for me.
 Souza,  for me every your decision is good because is done to improve the site.
 Me too think that the investigation must return as the main topic.

As always, thanks for your presence.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: mindseye on January 06, 2013, 06:20:07 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Sorry, i can`t understand this. I feel So sad , about that. Sorry Michael,
Hoaxbook is not mines.

I think Michael will live...

 :icon_lol: 

yeah, good idea to make a fresh start to 2013.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: marumjj on January 06, 2013, 07:18:03 PM
Hello Souza, change sounds good, I like the idea of seeing old issues, there are many things that are not clear yet. I'm glad you put your house in order.  :)
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: guestfortheday on January 07, 2013, 12:40:07 AM
there is nothing left to "investigate" simply cause resources are very limited for lay people.
 Internet is the only source and whatever  was available was discussed unless new start takes place .
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: MJonmind on January 07, 2013, 12:58:04 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Well, I suppose change is good.  Each time we go through these "growing pains" I hold on tight,
and things always seem to work out.  I trust that this will be another one of those times.  I appreciate
your hard work, Souza.  I may not understand things all the time, but always try my best to be a supportive
member.   
That's how I see things too.

Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: hopi on January 07, 2013, 01:35:05 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Actually it was released on October 28th , maybe + one day of simmering = October 29th ?
But as Murray is said ro be freed October 28, 2013 (unless he is let out early on bail ) , I really believe that this would be the date Michael hinted when he said " we have four years to get it right ... "

Yes, sorry about the date, my bad...  :smiley-vault-misc-150:  (one day of simmering would be ok  :icon_e_wink: )
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 07, 2013, 05:31:34 AM
Was just about to deactivate my HB account because I don't have the time to keep up to date with it and already spend too much time here. But now, I guess I wont be deleting it! :icon_razz:



Also Souza (OT) I also have another suggestion, I was on another forum (vitiligo related) and on their newbies board, instead of every single Newbie creating a thread to say "hello and introduce themselves" (like we do here) Each month there is just one new thread for example "Newbies Greeting & Introduction Thread - January" or "Newbies Greeting & Introduction Thread - Febuary"

I thought it was a good idea and makes for a lot less unneccessary threads. Just thought I'd pass it on. Feel free to use it, or not  :icon_e_wink:


Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: heartofgold on January 07, 2013, 11:49:44 AM
I agree with Souza like I said earlier. After doing some reflecting, I feel TS and Front can be legit. How do you think they may feel seeing that their threads closed. They gave us all the clues and the most fascinating information by TS. I have learned so much from this person. I say person because it could be a man as a woman. If i were them I would take it personal, this is only my opinion, I hope I will not get chewed and spit out, like I have been reading in this forum. Seems everyone is on eachother throat if something is not said accordingly.  So Souza this is only my opinion TS and Front should have their thread reopened. I know you are the admin so the ball is in your court. God bless muchlove.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 07, 2013, 11:55:36 AM
Threads are not going to be reopened.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: MissG on January 07, 2013, 03:08:00 PM
This new iniciative sounds like a great idea!

 :bearhug:
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: bec on January 07, 2013, 03:25:53 PM
Quote from: heartofgold
I agree with Souza like I said earlier. After doing some reflecting, I feel TS and Front can be legit. How do you think they may feel seeing that their threads closed. They gave us all the clues and the most fascinating information by TS. I have learned so much from this person. I say person because it could be a man as a woman. If i were them I would take it personal, this is only my opinion, I hope I will not get chewed and spit out, like I have been reading in this forum. Seems everyone is on eachother throat if something is not said accordingly.  So Souza this is only my opinion TS and Front should have their thread reopened. I know you are the admin so the ball is in your court. God bless muchlove.
Any member who has a complaint or question or difficulty with the site is always welcome to contact a mod or Souza directly. We have always been happy to help out members in need. Our doors are always open.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: heartofgold on January 07, 2013, 05:56:09 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Quote from: heartofgold
I agree with Souza like I said earlier. After doing some reflecting, I feel TS and Front can be legit. How do you think they may feel seeing that their threads closed. They gave us all the clues and the most fascinating information by TS. I have learned so much from this person. I say person because it could be a man as a woman. If i were them I would take it personal, this is only my opinion, I hope I will not get chewed and spit out, like I have been reading in this forum. Seems everyone is on eachother throat if something is not said accordingly.  So Souza this is only my opinion TS and Front should have their thread reopened. I know you are the admin so the ball is in your court. God bless muchlove.
Any member who has a complaint or question or difficulty with the site is always welcome to contact a mod or Souza directly. We have always been happy to help out members in need. Our doors are always open.

Bec thank you very much, that is very kind of you. I will take up your offer if I am ever in need. God bless  much love.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: paula-c on January 07, 2013, 06:22:56 PM
(http://www.emoticonos3d.com/militares/militar.gif)
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: paula-c on January 07, 2013, 07:20:25 PM
 is good idea to hunt vultures

(http://www.donwi.com/H/emoticonos/personajes/cazapesca/0024.gif)
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 07, 2013, 11:21:24 PM
Meanwhile, I am happy, because the messages to Michael thread (namely the poems) made me want to punch myself in the face!

No disrespect to anyone, just my personal opinion after overdosing on poetry in that thread. The bad thing was I left a message for MJ on the first page, so it kept popping up in my 'unread topics'

I'm glad it's been sent off to hoaxbook I can get 'out' of it LOL
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: lettingitsimmer on January 08, 2013, 12:21:33 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Meanwhile, I am happy, because the messages to Michael thread (namely the poems) made me want to punch myself in the face!

No disrespect to anyone, just my personal opinion after overdosing on poetry in that thread. The bad thing was I left a message for MJ on the first page, so it kept popping up in my 'unread topics'

I'm glad it's been sent off to hoaxbook I can get 'out' of it LOL

Sorry you don't like or understand  inspiring and positive poems AustralianMJBeliever !!They were positive Messages of support for Michael,from many people, not a pile of some egocentric, or ignorant  ramblings. Just so you know.
Michael is a well educated man and loves poetry.Have you read  any of his lately? It is very inspiring! Do you really know what Michael Jackson is about?

The thread  has not been "sent off to Hoaxbook" as far as I understand. I personally do not do social media..so am not involved there and my work is other  writing projects ... I just wanted to start that thread to show some support for Michael, especially as he has been hounded by insults from ignorant people with little understanding of him..all of his life, such as people who judge and gossip and make snide remarks behind people's backs to make themselves feel grand..

As for the Messages to Michael thread, I have writing work committments and the thread was my hobby to share positivity.  I  was not going to write anything else here ,  other than my Thank You to Souza for making that thread ..
( which I did earlier here) and allowing me and others to to contribute ..

 So, "no disrespect to anyone" (your words)but I hope you recover from your "overdose of poetry" and also from  self harming your face. Punching your face can  be a painful strategy!LOL

*Souza no need to comment to me.. I have said my goodbyes already..over and out!
Thanks heaps as I said .. L.O.V.E. x

Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 08, 2013, 12:39:05 AM
Of course I don't literally want to 'self harm' LOL. My comment was tongue in cheek and my personal opinion only - What can I say, Aussie sarcastic humor. Look, I said my comment is not meant to be disrespectful, and it wasn't an "ad hominem" statement. Had nothing to do, or with you or MJ, or his poetry, its simply how I feel about rambling poetry. Of course its an art and may take talent, especially in the likes of MJ or Jim Morrison or other acclaimed musicians turned poets. But for the most part poetry bores me. It's personal preference, just like if one likes math or not. No need to leave the forum about it! :icon_rolleyes:

Oh yeah, by the way, math, like poetry, makes me want to punch myself in the face too!  :affraid:
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 08, 2013, 12:45:45 AM
Oh, and perhaps I am mistaken and the thread is still open. If so, my bad. I thought it was closed down because of Souza's opening line in this thread.

Quote
Some might not agree with what I am going to do, but I will do it anyway. I am going to close the complete 'Forum Favorites' category, which means all things related to Front, TS and messages to MJ. I will explain why.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 08, 2013, 01:01:27 AM
It is closed. With all due respect, that MTM thread was ridiculous. Poetry and quotes from others to impress MJ and if people get irritated by it, they insult MJ? Well I think he'll live! I cringe when I see fake love like that spread around as if we should all kiss each other's asses while stabbing each other's backs! Because that's what I think about stuff like that: hypocricy to the fullest! JMO!

No thank you, that category is closed. It will be buried more on HoaxBook so I don't have to see it passing by every day.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: lettingitsimmer on January 08, 2013, 01:21:09 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Of course I don't literally want to 'self harm' LOL. My comment was tongue in cheek and my personal opinion only - What can I say, Aussie sarcastic humor. Look, I said my comment is not meant to be disrespectful, and it wasn't an "ad hominem" statement. Had nothing to do, or with you or MJ, or his poetry, its simply how I feel about rambling poetry. Of course its an art and may take talent, especially in the likes of MJ or Jim Morrison or other acclaimed musicians turned poets. But for the most part poetry bores me. It's personal preference, just like if one likes math or not. No need to leave the forum about it! :icon_rolleyes:

Oh yeah, by the way, math, like poetry, makes me want to punch myself in the face too!  :affraid:
[/quote)
 Yawwwnnn..Making comments about what others are "going to do", or "have done"  requires facts.
Otherwise your comments are hot air..
N.B.The thread was ALWAYS to be temporary( see early pages of the Open Thread.. )"LOL"

I knew that and Admin knew that.. so, logically, I am not "leaving  about it!" as you said .
I am leaving because I have work committments .
Over and out! L.O.V.E. and Truth x
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 08, 2013, 01:28:37 AM
'Admin' didn't know anything, 'Admin' would have let the category up if it wouldn't have turned in a circus. And 'Admin' can speak for herself, thank you.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: GINAFELICIA on January 08, 2013, 01:30:34 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
is good idea to hunt vultures

(http://www.donwi.com/H/emoticonos/personajes/cazapesca/0024.gif)

hahahha!

Yeah, back to Michael! I love to hear what he has to say, and that is what really matters!
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: lettingitsimmer on January 08, 2013, 01:51:41 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
It is closed. With all due respect, that MTM thread was ridiculous. Poetry and quotes from others to impress MJ and if people get irritated by it, they insult MJ? Well I think he'll live! I cringe when I see fake love like that spread around as if we should all kiss each other's asses while stabbing each other's backs! Because that's what I think about stuff like that: hypocricy to the fullest! JMO!

No thank you, that category is closed. It will be buried more on HoaxBook so I don't have to see it passing by every day.

[/quote ( lettingitsimmer)


                                       "Let no man pull you low enough to hate him"

                                                          Martin Luther King
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: skyways on January 08, 2013, 02:10:44 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
It is closed. With all due respect, that MTM thread was ridiculous. Poetry and quotes from others to impress MJ and if people get irritated by it, they insult MJ? Well I think he'll live! I cringe when I see fake love like that spread around as if we should all kiss each other's asses while stabbing each other's backs! Because that's what I think about stuff like that: hypocricy to the fullest! JMO!

No thank you, that category is closed. It will be buried more on HoaxBook so I don't have to see it passing by every day.

[/quote ( lettingitsimmer)


                                       "Let no man pull you low enough to hate him"

                                                          Martin Luther King




AGREE with SIMMER<3

Decision on CLOSE is Very SAD and Overruled .

Peace out ppl.,, there is no more harm than SelfHarm => and That One eXACTLY falls into category.

2MICHAEL -->VERY SORRY and Sending Light from MyHeart. :bearhug:



....>>>letsfindtheway2exchangethePoetryHere>>>>.))))) :michael_jackson-1135:
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 08, 2013, 05:07:46 AM
OMG, Self harm, really??  :icon_rolleyes:

That is Frikken hilarious! It's a figure of speech, an expression. A funny. A quip. Buffoonery. Making Jest!

Google "Punch myself in the face" on google images and you'll find a myriad of FUNNY pictures. But I guess there is no accounting for personal taste / preference when it comes to humor. My preference, is lighthearted and NOT TO TAKE THINGS TOO SERIOUSLY!

I personally think the expression is hilarious! And the expression described perfectly how I felt after reading pages of that poetry.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-SAZgh0VQlQ/TNEVzzGr2CI/AAAAAAAAE2I/mlWk7yxdfM8/s1600/punch-myself-in-the-face.jpg)


It's just my personal opinion, which I believe I am allowed.



Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on January 08, 2013, 05:12:19 AM
oh' and no need to apologize to 'Michael' - He has a classic sense of humor and is probably laughing!
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: MJLoyalFan on January 08, 2013, 05:58:51 AM
It's good to see the forum take a step in the direction of serious investigation once again and I am encouraged to see that new direction.

But, change is not for everyone and for some this site has been a lifeline to like minded friends who share a love for Michael and a need to know what happened to him and so it hurts when changes get made to something they enjoy.  They are not wrong to feel this way and we just need to give compassion and encouragement to those who are upset.
 
Tensions have been running high since a certain 'BAM' date came and went and feelings of loss and a load more unanswered questions have surfaced for many, including myself, along with very strong emotions and frustrations at times, that is totally understandable, but the need to take it out on fellow members was wrong and Sousa is right to want to get things back on track.
 
Respect and love were always at the forefront of Michael's mind and should be of ours too.  Before I write I always ask myself how I would feel if it was directed at me, as others interpretation of what you are trying to say can be misplaced.
   
It's been a sad time for many on the forum, both personally and hoax wise and change may not be welcomed, but time as always will ease one into a new direction and hopefully bring brighter days for all.
 
Looking forward to mature debates and reading less ill feeling on the forum, lets face it, we are all here to find the truth about a man we never knew and that puts us all in the same mindset.
WITH L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Jowayria on January 08, 2013, 07:16:32 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
It's good to see the forum take a step in the direction of serious investigation once again and I am encouraged to see that new direction.

But, change is not for everyone and for some this site has been a lifeline to like minded friends who share a love for Michael and a need to know what happened to him and so it hurts when changes get made to something they enjoy.  They are not wrong to feel this way and we just need to give compassion and encouragement to those who are upset.
 
Tensions have been running high since a certain 'BAM' date came and went and feelings of loss and a load more unanswered questions have surfaced for many, including myself, along with very strong emotions and frustrations at times, that is totally understandable, but the need to take it out on fellow members was wrong and Sousa is right to want to get things back on track.
 
Respect and love were always at the forefront of Michael's mind and should be of ours too.  Before I write I always ask myself how I would feel if it was directed at me, as others interpretation of what you are trying to say can be misplaced.
   
It's been a sad time for many on the forum, both personally and hoax wise and change may not be welcomed, but time as always will ease one into a new direction and hopefully bring brighter days for all.
 
Looking forward to mature debates and reading less ill feeling on the forum, lets face it, we are all here to find the truth about a man we never knew and that puts us all in the same mindset.
WITH L.O.V.E.

 Words of wisdom ! You said it all and I wholeheartedly agree with you !!  :beerchug:
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: lettingitsimmer on January 13, 2013, 02:02:04 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
OMG, Self harm, really??  :icon_rolleyes:

That is Frikken hilarious! It's a figure of speech, an expression. A funny. A quip. Buffoonery. Making Jest!

Google "Punch myself in the face" on google images and you'll find a myriad of FUNNY pictures. But I guess there is no accounting for personal taste / preference when it comes to humor. My preference, is lighthearted and NOT TO TAKE THINGS TOO SERIOUSLY!

I personally think the expression is hilarious! And the expression described perfectly how I felt after reading pages of that poetry.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-SAZgh0VQlQ/TNEVzzGr2CI/AAAAAAAAE2I/mlWk7yxdfM8/s1600/punch-myself-in-the-face.jpg)


It's just my personal opinion, which I believe I am allowed.
Hi there

..of course I  know what you meant. LOL.. I was joking!   :icon_e_smile:
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: lettingitsimmer on January 13, 2013, 02:09:56 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
'Admin' didn't know anything, 'Admin' would have let the category up if it wouldn't have turned in a circus. And 'Admin' can speak for herself, thank you.
Souza..
If you check back to near the front of the Open Thread to Michael, ( I don't remember the page nr) I quoted Bec's (?)warning to me  that the thread , Open Thread to Michael ( which included posts etc from  a few different threads I had written, and which were all now put together by her or someone else, called OpenThread to Michael Jackson")would not necessarily continue" ..and was "off topic" etc It is there in black and white.I followed the  suggestions as you will see. I think you were away at the time.It was not you that sent that post to me here on the Open Thread site..
(I thought Bec was a partner in Admin.. that is why I said"Admin")..

I have read your (?)  blogsite called DoubleDutch.. .. it is by"Souza" ..it may be fake,although I doubt it , and your very long post about your  conversion (?) and Michael's lifelong spiritual beliefs ( Love and Peace  Truth etc ..) dated January 11  2012 at the top, is very interesting.

http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com
 
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 13, 2013, 03:27:21 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
'Admin' didn't know anything, 'Admin' would have let the category up if it wouldn't have turned in a circus. And 'Admin' can speak for herself, thank you.
Souza..
If you check back to near the front of the Open Thread to Michael, ( I don't remember the page nr) I quoted Bec's (?)warning to me  that the thread , Open Thread to Michael ( which included posts etc from  a few different threads I had written, and which were all now put together by her or someone else, called OpenThread to Michael Jackson")would not necessarily continue" ..and was "off topic" etc It is there in black and white.I followed the  suggestions as you will see. I think you were away at the time.It was not you that sent that post to me here on the Open Thread site..
(I thought Bec was a partner in Admin.. that is why I said"Admin")..

I have read your (?)  blogsite called DoubleDutch.. .. it is by"Souza" ..it may be fake,although I doubt it , and your very long post about your  conversion (?) and Michael's lifelong spiritual beliefs ( Love and Peace  Truth etc ..) dated January 11  2012 at the top, is very interesting.

http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com

I don't know where the shit you have been hiding for over 2 years on this forum, but there is only one admin and that is me. I do not read every single post on this forum and I definitely skip the MTM posts most of the time.

That blog is mine and not fake and has been on this website forever, with the exception of a few months. But you only come here for the MTM threads, I can see that much when I look at your stats. Maybe you should start researching the hoax instead of kissing people's ass and then srabbing them in the back...

Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on January 13, 2013, 04:26:42 PM
After the last changes and improvement on the HB the site runs very very slow for me, it takes a lot of time for me to post or go to any page since it stops every 20 seconds, IDK what I have to do to make it run quick as usually, thanks Souza in advance.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 13, 2013, 04:40:31 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
After the last changes and improvement on the HB the site runs very very slow for me, it takes a lot of time for me to post or go to any page since it stops every 20 seconds, IDK what I have to do to make it run quick as usually, thanks Souza in advance.

I made no changes to HoaxBook, I only did a security update for the forum. The host has been working on the site to improve, but no luck so far. So it is indeed a little slower. Better slow than not not available. Still trying to find out what the problem is.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: lettingitsimmer on January 13, 2013, 08:05:23 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
'Admin' didn't know anything, 'Admin' would have let the category up if it wouldn't have turned in a circus. And 'Admin' can speak for herself, thank you.
Souza..
If you check back to near the front of the Open Thread to Michael, ( I don't remember the page nr) I quoted Bec's (?)warning to me  that the thread , Open Thread to Michael ( which included posts etc from  a few different threads I had written, and which were all now put together by her or someone else, called OpenThread to Michael Jackson")would not necessarily continue" ..and was "off topic" etc It is there in black and white.I followed the  suggestions as you will see. I think you were away at the time.It was not you that sent that post to me here on the Open Thread site..
(I thought Bec was a partner in Admin.. that is why I said"Admin")..

I have read your (?)  blogsite called DoubleDutch.. .. it is by"Souza" ..it may be fake,although I doubt it , and your very long post about your  conversion (?) and Michael's lifelong spiritual beliefs ( Love and Peace  Truth etc ..) dated January 11  2012 at the top, is very interesting.

http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com

I don't know where the shit you have been hiding for over 2 years on this forum, but there is only one admin and that is me. I do not read every single post on this forum and I definitely skip the MTM posts most of the time.

That blog is mine and not fake and has been on this website forever, with the exception of a few months. But you only come here for the MTM threads, I can see that much when I look at your stats. Maybe you should start researching the hoax instead of kissing people's ass and then srabbing them in the back...
I haven't been hiding here ,Souza..LOL!! And yes I only came to write Messages to Michael recently..about 5 months ago..I have read many posts here..I have been reading the threads when I can, and researching other areas..not just this site since June 25 2009!Your site is one of many research areas I have been visiting!! 

**Unfortunately I have had less time to myself  this last year as I have been very involved in family matters ..I will tell you"where the s..t I have been hiding" >>> 2 close members  of my family died from cancer late last year  not long before Christmas.....both have been extremely ill for 3-4 years.. and that has taken up most of my time over  a few years.. Family first.
But that sort of thing would not concern you.. and is really none of your business to ask me that.

I am always open to mature discussions.. I do not cringe and shake at peope's agggressive insults and threats.. there is no need to talk to people like that .. I came here with intentions to share positivity with other members... and to write Messages to Michael.

I am also only expressing what many others may not feel comfortable about expressing .. that  you verbally attack people  aggressively..  often for no reason.. many others here notice it.. the rest is your imagination and wrong assumptions and the verbal bully tactics which are well known. Might be a good time to listen to Michael singing "Man in the Mirror" on sign in..and Make that Change.. we all can!

I hope this New Year brings you Inner Peace ..  as I say.. "I only came here like everyone else.. looking for the Emerald City"..and seem to be to have been ambushed by "lions and tigers and bears and whatever else!" as though I have some agenda.. is nuts to even think that!
That Is It ..

Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 13, 2013, 08:45:11 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
'Admin' didn't know anything, 'Admin' would have let the category up if it wouldn't have turned in a circus. And 'Admin' can speak for herself, thank you.
Souza..
If you check back to near the front of the Open Thread to Michael, ( I don't remember the page nr) I quoted Bec's (?)warning to me  that the thread , Open Thread to Michael ( which included posts etc from  a few different threads I had written, and which were all now put together by her or someone else, called OpenThread to Michael Jackson")would not necessarily continue" ..and was "off topic" etc It is there in black and white.I followed the  suggestions as you will see. I think you were away at the time.It was not you that sent that post to me here on the Open Thread site..
(I thought Bec was a partner in Admin.. that is why I said"Admin")..

I have read your (?)  blogsite called DoubleDutch.. .. it is by"Souza" ..it may be fake,although I doubt it , and your very long post about your  conversion (?) and Michael's lifelong spiritual beliefs ( Love and Peace  Truth etc ..) dated January 11  2012 at the top, is very interesting.

http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com

I don't know where the shit you have been hiding for over 2 years on this forum, but there is only one admin and that is me. I do not read every single post on this forum and I definitely skip the MTM posts most of the time.

That blog is mine and not fake and has been on this website forever, with the exception of a few months. But you only come here for the MTM threads, I can see that much when I look at your stats. Maybe you should start researching the hoax instead of kissing people's ass and then srabbing them in the back...
I haven't been hiding here ,Souza..LOL!! And yes I only came to write Messages to Michael recently..about 5 months ago..I have read many posts here..I have been reading the threads when I can, and researching other areas..not just this site since June 25 2009!Your site is one of many research areas I have been visiting!! 

**Unfortunately I have had less time to myself  this last year as I have been very involved in family matters ..I will tell you"where the s..t I have been hiding" >>> 2 close members  of my family died from cancer late last year  not long before Christmas.....both have been extremely ill for 3-4 years.. and that has taken up most of my time over  a few years.. Family first.
But that sort of thing would not concern you.. and is really none of your business to ask me that.

I am always open to mature discussions.. I do not cringe and shake at peope's agggressive insults and threats.. there is no need to talk to people like that .. I came here with intentions to share positivity with other members... and to write Messages to Michael.

I am also only expressing what many others may not feel comfortable about expressing .. that  you verbally attack people  aggressively..  often for no reason.. many others here notice it.. the rest is your imagination and wrong assumptions and the verbal bully tactics which are well known. Might be a good time to listen to Michael singing "Man in the Mirror" on sign in..and Make that Change.. we all can!

I hope this New Year brings you Inner Peace ..  as I say.. "I only came here like everyone else.. looking for the Emerald City"..and seem to be to have been ambushed by "lions and tigers and bears and whatever else!" as though I have some agenda.. is nuts to even think that!
That Is It ..

At least when I insult, I do not disguise it. You can make a blog dedicated to MJ if you want to write him messages, this is and always has been a hoax site.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: lettingitsimmer on January 13, 2013, 09:13:13 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
'Admin' didn't know anything, 'Admin' would have let the category up if it wouldn't have turned in a circus. And 'Admin' can speak for herself, thank you.
Souza..
If you check back to near the front of the Open Thread to Michael, ( I don't remember the page nr) I quoted Bec's (?)warning to me  that the thread , Open Thread to Michael ( which included posts etc from  a few different threads I had written, and which were all now put together by her or someone else, called OpenThread to Michael Jackson")would not necessarily continue" ..and was "off topic" etc It is there in black and white.I followed the  suggestions as you will see. I think you were away at the time.It was not you that sent that post to me here on the Open Thread site..
(I thought Bec was a partner in Admin.. that is why I said"Admin")..

I have read your (?)  blogsite called DoubleDutch.. .. it is by"Souza" ..it may be fake,although I doubt it , and your very long post about your  conversion (?) and Michael's lifelong spiritual beliefs ( Love and Peace  Truth etc ..) dated January 11  2012 at the top, is very interesting.

http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com

I don't know where the shit you have been hiding for over 2 years on this forum, but there is only one admin and that is me. I do not read every single post on this forum and I definitely skip the MTM posts most of the time.

That blog is mine and not fake and has been on this website forever, with the exception of a few months. But you only come here for the MTM threads, I can see that much when I look at your stats. Maybe you should start researching the hoax instead of kissing people's ass and then srabbing them in the back...
I haven't been hiding here ,Souza..LOL!! And yes I only came to write Messages to Michael recently..about 5 months ago..I have read many posts here..I have been reading the threads when I can, and researching other areas..not just this site since June 25 2009!Your site is one of many research areas I have been visiting!! 

**Unfortunately I have had less time to myself  this last year as I have been very involved in family matters ..I will tell you"where the s..t I have been hiding" >>> 2 close members  of my family died from cancer late last year  not long before Christmas.....both have been extremely ill for 3-4 years.. and that has taken up most of my time over  a few years.. Family first.
But that sort of thing would not concern you.. and is really none of your business to ask me that.

I am always open to mature discussions.. I do not cringe and shake at peope's agggressive insults and threats.. there is no need to talk to people like that .. I came here with intentions to share positivity with other members... and to write Messages to Michael.

I am also only expressing what many others may not feel comfortable about expressing .. that  you verbally attack people  aggressively..  often for no reason.. many others here notice it.. the rest is your imagination and wrong assumptions and the verbal bully tactics which are well known. Might be a good time to listen to Michael singing "Man in the Mirror" on sign in..and Make that Change.. we all can!

I hope this New Year brings you Inner Peace ..  as I say.. "I only came here like everyone else.. looking for the Emerald City"..and seem to be to have been ambushed by "lions and tigers and bears and whatever else!" as though I have some agenda.. is nuts to even think that!
That Is It ..

At least when I insult, I do not disguise it. You can make a blog dedicated to MJ if you want to write him messages, this is and always has been a hoax site.

I do not have the faintest need or wish to make my own blog.. thanks anyway
No you  certainly do not hide it.. I will agree!
I have to go back to work now.  Ciao!
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 13, 2013, 09:15:40 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
'Admin' didn't know anything, 'Admin' would have let the category up if it wouldn't have turned in a circus. And 'Admin' can speak for herself, thank you.
Souza..
If you check back to near the front of the Open Thread to Michael, ( I don't remember the page nr) I quoted Bec's (?)warning to me  that the thread , Open Thread to Michael ( which included posts etc from  a few different threads I had written, and which were all now put together by her or someone else, called OpenThread to Michael Jackson")would not necessarily continue" ..and was "off topic" etc It is there in black and white.I followed the  suggestions as you will see. I think you were away at the time.It was not you that sent that post to me here on the Open Thread site..
(I thought Bec was a partner in Admin.. that is why I said"Admin")..

I have read your (?)  blogsite called DoubleDutch.. .. it is by"Souza" ..it may be fake,although I doubt it , and your very long post about your  conversion (?) and Michael's lifelong spiritual beliefs ( Love and Peace  Truth etc ..) dated January 11  2012 at the top, is very interesting.

http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com

I don't know where the shit you have been hiding for over 2 years on this forum, but there is only one admin and that is me. I do not read every single post on this forum and I definitely skip the MTM posts most of the time.

That blog is mine and not fake and has been on this website forever, with the exception of a few months. But you only come here for the MTM threads, I can see that much when I look at your stats. Maybe you should start researching the hoax instead of kissing people's ass and then srabbing them in the back...
I haven't been hiding here ,Souza..LOL!! And yes I only came to write Messages to Michael recently..about 5 months ago..I have read many posts here..I have been reading the threads when I can, and researching other areas..not just this site since June 25 2009!Your site is one of many research areas I have been visiting!! 

**Unfortunately I have had less time to myself  this last year as I have been very involved in family matters ..I will tell you"where the s..t I have been hiding" >>> 2 close members  of my family died from cancer late last year  not long before Christmas.....both have been extremely ill for 3-4 years.. and that has taken up most of my time over  a few years.. Family first.
But that sort of thing would not concern you.. and is really none of your business to ask me that.

I am always open to mature discussions.. I do not cringe and shake at peope's agggressive insults and threats.. there is no need to talk to people like that .. I came here with intentions to share positivity with other members... and to write Messages to Michael.

I am also only expressing what many others may not feel comfortable about expressing .. that  you verbally attack people  aggressively..  often for no reason.. many others here notice it.. the rest is your imagination and wrong assumptions and the verbal bully tactics which are well known. Might be a good time to listen to Michael singing "Man in the Mirror" on sign in..and Make that Change.. we all can!

I hope this New Year brings you Inner Peace ..  as I say.. "I only came here like everyone else.. looking for the Emerald City"..and seem to be to have been ambushed by "lions and tigers and bears and whatever else!" as though I have some agenda.. is nuts to even think that!
That Is It ..

At least when I insult, I do not disguise it. You can make a blog dedicated to MJ if you want to write him messages, this is and always has been a hoax site.

I do not have the faintest need or wish to make my own blog.. thanks anyway
No you  certainly do not hide it.. I will agree!
I have to go back to work now.  Ciao!

Yes, Ciao!
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Snoopy71 on January 13, 2013, 09:32:51 PM
Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators Forum....


Thread title: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please


....seems pretty self explanatory to me  :icon_neutral:


  :compute:
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on January 14, 2013, 08:54:03 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
After the last changes and improvement on the HB the site runs very very slow for me, it takes a lot of time for me to post or go to any page since it stops every 20 seconds, IDK what I have to do to make it run quick as usually, thanks Souza in advance.

I made no changes to HoaxBook, I only did a security update for the forum. The host has been working on the site to improve, but no luck so far. So it is indeed a little slower. Better slow than not not available. Still trying to find out what the problem is.

I think you found already out what the problem was because my site is running perfectly now, I thank your for the continuous improvement on the forum.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: suspicious mind on January 14, 2013, 08:58:28 AM
what about that weird list, think anything has been figured out or debunked? haven't seen it in forever. :-\
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 14, 2013, 09:27:34 AM
Suspicious, it's under hoax info in the menu!
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: curls on January 14, 2013, 02:16:57 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
After the last changes and improvement on the HB the site runs very very slow for me, it takes a lot of time for me to post or go to any page since it stops every 20 seconds, IDK what I have to do to make it run quick as usually, thanks Souza in advance.

I made no changes to HoaxBook, I only did a security update for the forum. The host has been working on the site to improve, but no luck so far. So it is indeed a little slower. Better slow than not not available. Still trying to find out what the problem is.



I think you found already out what the problem was because my site is running perfectly now, I thank your for the continuous improvement on the forum.

I think 'the snow' may have been slowing things down for some - I'm certainly faster now it's gone!
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on January 14, 2013, 03:14:26 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
After the last changes and improvement on the HB the site runs very very slow for me, it takes a lot of time for me to post or go to any page since it stops every 20 seconds, IDK what I have to do to make it run quick as usually, thanks Souza in advance.

I made no changes to HoaxBook, I only did a security update for the forum. The host has been working on the site to improve, but no luck so far. So it is indeed a little slower. Better slow than not not available. Still trying to find out what the problem is.



I think you found already out what the problem was because my site is running perfectly now, I thank your for the continuous improvement on the forum.

I think 'the snow' may have been slowing things down for some - I'm certainly faster now it's gone!

I didn't realise the snow was gone, for me is still slow although faster than yesterday however I didn't notice if we yet had the snow yesterday.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: bec on January 14, 2013, 04:30:42 PM
Sunset, sometimes it takes a few days for your cache to clear and then it will be fine. Don't ask me to elaborate on that, it's one of those internet things I only barely understand, basically give it a day or two more and it will probably work itself out.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: MJonmind on January 14, 2013, 09:58:35 PM
I thought the freezing every few seconds and slow page loading was totally my computer needed to be redone, which seems better now.  I was dreading it.  Thanks Souza!
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Thriller4ever on January 14, 2013, 10:55:26 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
I thought the freezing every few seconds and slow page loading was totally my computer needed to be redone, which seems better now.  I was dreading it.  Thanks Souza!

i thought the same  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: suspicious mind on January 15, 2013, 04:59:29 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Suspicious, it's under hoax info in the menu!


A-HA! found it!  :-[ thanks
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on January 15, 2013, 06:40:59 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Sunset, sometimes it takes a few days for your cache to clear and then it will be fine. Don't ask me to elaborate on that, it's one of those internet things I only barely understand, basically give it a day or two more and it will probably work itself out.

Yes it's getting better now, thanks Bec.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Jowayria on January 15, 2013, 09:38:53 AM
Sorry , I don't know if this is the right place to post this   , but I seem to have a little problem with the hoaxbook .  :icon_e_sad:
I joined some groups lately as they are the sort of replacements of the now closed threads but I can't find a way to get notified of the new /unread replies , and instead , I only get notified that other members replied . Thank you in advance and sorry if I am posting this on the wrong thread .  ;)
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 15, 2013, 09:43:19 AM
It's not forum software like the forum, so you only get notified of replies. It's all I can do, it's a matter of getting used to.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Jowayria on January 15, 2013, 10:07:06 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
It's not forum software like the forum, so you only get notified of replies. It's all I can do, it's a matter of getting used to.

Guess I'll just have to get used to it as you said . Thank you anyways ^_^" .
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: curls on January 19, 2013, 03:15:13 AM
Souza, I respect your decision to close the TIAI category, but wonder if, purely for the sake of continuity and having a complete record in one place, you would consider a 2013 TIAI 'thread' (or 'child board' may be the technical term for what I mean!), just to post the redirect(s), then lock it.  Discussions can stay on hoaxbook as you have requested.  Even if the Jan 11th TMZ redirect should turn out to be the last, my orderly mind doesn't like the current incomplete archive!
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: bec on January 19, 2013, 10:31:48 AM
I am not speaking for Souza, but from where I'm sitting, since TS/TS_comments has now proven himself a fake informer, that topic no longer fits into an investigative website so it seems our hands are tied when it comes to the matter.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: curls on January 20, 2013, 01:59:10 AM
Souza?? Are you in agreement with bec?
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: MJonmind on January 20, 2013, 03:17:13 AM
I try hard to hear "make" but I can't...only:

"...I can’t fake, fake another day..."

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgkmG8nWx54[/youtube]
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ~Souza~ on January 20, 2013, 10:49:50 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Souza?? Are you in agreement with bec?

I moved TIAI to HoaxBook because if it's on the forum, all we will get is 'OMG TS I wanna know why you didn't have the date right' so yes, it will stay on HoaxBook. The redirects (if they will still come) can be posted in the group forum, each having their own thread, so it can still be discussed, just not on the forum anymore.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: curls on January 20, 2013, 12:45:38 PM
Ok Souza, thanks for clarifying.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on April 24, 2013, 05:39:56 PM
Souza would you consider the reopening of Back & Front thread the same way we have reopened TIAI thread here on the forum while the HB is offline? It would be interesting to have a specific place where Front could post in case he has something important to say concerning AEG trial.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on April 24, 2013, 08:57:30 PM
not speaking for mods, but i know that in the past Front has posted in several other threads aside the front thread on the forum. he will prob just post in the AEG threads that exist.


would be great to hear from you front

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0ynMHjgwbrA/TuUKUta3JkI/AAAAAAAAFts/9AbOxyElT5k/s1600/narf109_puss-n-boots.jpg)
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Andrea on April 24, 2013, 09:10:05 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Souza would you consider the reopening of Back & Front thread the same way we have reopened TIAI thread here on the forum while the HB is offline? It would be interesting to have a specific place where Front could post in case he has something important to say concerning AEG trial.


A TIAI thread wasn't reopened here, the Murray's Appeal thread was added because we didn't really have one and it's definitely relevant to the hoax - it was just on the TIAI discussion board on HB because the court case updates site is the current re-direct.

Aussie's right.  If Front has something to say to us, he still can!  Same goes for TS/TS_comments!
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: mindseye on April 24, 2013, 10:06:35 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
not speaking for mods, but i know that in the past Front has posted in several other threads aside the front thread on the forum. he will prob just post in the AEG threads that exist.


would be great to hear from you front

I second that request   ;D

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/gr.jpg)
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: MJonmind on April 24, 2013, 10:50:48 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
not speaking for mods, but i know that in the past Front has posted in several other threads aside the front thread on the forum. he will prob just post in the AEG threads that exist.


would be great to hear from you front

I second that request   ;D

(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/gr.jpg)

(http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb371/lifeisamovie1/MJ%20misc%20pics%201/sloth_zpsd580f0b8.jpg) (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/lifeisamovie1/media/MJ%20misc%20pics%201/sloth_zpsd580f0b8.jpg.html)
You can do it! :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile

Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: curls on April 25, 2013, 01:50:15 AM
Methinks Front's a tad busy these days - he doesn't have to be posting here to be 'around', if you know what I mean!
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on April 25, 2013, 07:01:22 AM
Ok guys you have convinced me  ;D

Front please a visit would be much appreciated  :icon_e_wink:
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: rachel1018 on April 25, 2013, 09:27:31 PM
that would be appreciated....
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Faithad777 on April 25, 2013, 11:55:55 PM
Anyone remember when Front's last post was? What date?
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on April 26, 2013, 12:01:54 AM
they were in hoaxbook in march.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on April 26, 2013, 07:20:29 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Anyone remember when Front's last post was? What date?

Sorry Aussie it was last March but on Jackie thread here on the forum, he posted twice:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,18255.msg438365.html#msg438365

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,18255.msg438455.html#msg438455
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Australian MJ BeLIEver on April 26, 2013, 08:26:31 AM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Anyone remember when Front's last post was? What date?

Sorry Aussie it was last March but on Jackie thread here on the forum, he posted twice:

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,18255.msg438365.html#msg438365

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,18255.msg438455.html#msg438455

must have missed that one. cool! thanks sweet x
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Faithad777 on April 26, 2013, 10:28:10 AM
Ok, thanks Aussie and Sweet. So much has happened since then (including the website being down for almost 2 weeks) that it feels like much longer than a month and a half ago that he last posted.
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: sweetsunsetwithMJ on April 26, 2013, 12:43:46 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Ok, thanks Aussie and Sweet. So much has happened since then (including the website being down for almost 2 weeks) that it feels like much longer than a month and a half ago that he last posted.

You are welcome Aussie and Faith!!  :)

PS: Faith I have sent you a P.M, please check your messages inbox in My Forum Account tag --> My Messages
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: blankie on April 26, 2013, 06:33:43 PM
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Ok guys you have convinced me  ;D

Front please a visit would be much appreciated  :icon_e_wink:

Totally agree  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: Sarahli on May 01, 2013, 04:06:25 PM
I think that Front morphed into a birdie and flew away. 
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: ShyBleuEyes on May 01, 2013, 04:18:26 PM
 I hope not! But if he did i hope hes morphed into a pigeon, because pigeons always find theyre way home.. 
Title: Re: The forum in 2013 - Back to research please
Post by: mindseye on May 01, 2013, 04:28:45 PM
At first I wasn't sure if him, but I think since Hoaxbook is down Front has created a twitter account.

Today's posts if you're interesting in watching, but it would be nice to see Front post here on the forum.

@frontback777 29m
Ain't nothin' for you...the 2 We got this jive...the 5 25...it's a lie so few milligrams but there's more, you see going down in HIStory

@frontback777 6h
Emaciated...weak... strong...fit Hmmm, 2 different people? Can't be on stage, oh no. "No, sir, I didn't see."

 ‏@frontback777 29 Apr
Presumptive power. The magic is in the madness. Keep watchin'.......
SimplePortal 2.3.6 © 2008-2014, SimplePortal