Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: Loveunited on April 23, 2013, 11:43:37 PM
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From the L.A. Times.
Please read ENTIRE article :multiplespotting:
Michael Jackson-AEG wrongful death trial opens Monday
By Jeff Gottlieb
April 23, 2013, 5:17 p.m.
What’s likely to be a dramatic tour through Michael Jackson’s final days begins Monday when attorneys make opening statements in a wrongful death trial that could last deep into the summer.
Six alternates were selected Tuesday, joining a dozen jurors who were seated the previous day. The alternates would replace any juror who can’t continue or is removed from the panel.
Jackson’s mother and children are suing Los Angeles entertainment giant AEG, alleging it is liable for Jackson’s death because it hired and supervised Dr. Conrad Murray, who used a powerful surgical anesthetic in an effort to help the singer cope with insomnia. Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in 2011.
The case is likely to veer into the sensational, pitting Jackson’s towering legacy against a business enterprise that has had a profound influence on the entertainment scene, particularly in Los Angeles.
Though the trial will zero in on whether the singer or AEG is responsible for hiring Murray, testimony will likely touch on the singer’s death, his feeble physical state as his much-anticipated comeback concert series approached and his eccentricities.
In court papers, Jackson’s family has described AEG as a heartless, money-driven machine that pushed Jackson to prepare for a tour that he was not physically capable of pulling off.
AEG says it in no way controlled the singer and that bringing Murray aboard as Jackson’s personal physician was Jackson’s choice. The company, in court papers, said it recommended hiring a British doctor.
Jackson’s “This Is It” comeback concerts were to have debuted in London in 2009.
The singer died two weeks before the tour was to launch. AEG was the promoter of 50 concerts Jackson was scheduled to give in London.
On Tuesday, after both sides agreed to the alternates, the remaining members of the jury pool let out a cheer, knowing they would not spend the next four months in a courtroom.
"You can get go on with your lives," Superior Court Judge Yvette M. Palazuelos said.
Perhaps the oddest moment of the jury picking occurred Tuesday when AEG attorney Marvin Putnam said he would not stipulate that Michael Jackson was dead[/b]
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;D :icon_e_biggrin: :abouttime: :icon_bounce: :icon_razz: ...
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Oh my God!!!! After reading the last sentence, I had to search for the article and read it for myself. I found it and here is the link:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-michael-jackson-aeg-20130423,0,7203229.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lanowblog+%28L.A.+Now%29
The legal definition of STIPULATION is:" During the course of a civil lawsuit, criminal proceeding, or any other type of litigation, the opposing attorneys may come to an agreement about certain facts and issues. Such an agreement is called a stipulation. Courts look with favor on stipulations because they save time and simplify the matters that must be resolved. Stipulations are voluntary, however, and courts may not require litigants to stipulate with the other side. A valid stipulation is binding only on the parties who agree to it. Courts are usually bound by valid stipulations and are required to enforce them."
Thank you Loveunited. This is it, this is what we've been waiting for, this is the moment....... Calm down....... Odd moment indeed....
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So, from the definition, if Kathryn's and the children's lawyer agrees to this stipulation, then the court is required to enforce it and no court needed since Michael IS ALIVE. :omg:
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this is very interesting because Michael's death because negiligent hiring by AEG is the very basis of this trial.
What does Putnam mean exactly?
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It means that AEG' s attorney Mr. Marvin Putnam said that he would not stipulate = determine that Michael Jackson was dead so it's the same that say that Michael Jackson might have escaped death or that MJ is alive. :woohoo2: :penguin: :michael-jackson: :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
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That's a remarkable statement to say the least! Thanks for posting Loveunited.
So, the opening statements will be next Monday. I hope I will be able to follow the news on internet in France next week, which i doubt in the Provence area. Anyway, I will enjoy the break, it will clear my head :icon_geek:
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So let me get this straight......Katherine's Lawyers are stipulating that Michael Jackson is dead but the AEG Lawyers would not agree to the stipulation? or have I read it incorrectly?
LOL!!!!! have the AEG Lawyers been reading here?....ya' know hedging their bets?....covering all bases?....just in case he turns out to be *not dead* - hilarious!
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That's a remarkable statement to say the least! Thanks for posting Loveunited.
So, the opening statements will be next Monday. I hope I will be able to follow the news on internet in France next week, which i doubt in the Provence area. Anyway, I will enjoy the break, it will clear my head :icon_geek:
Yes quite a statement. Interesting that the date the trial starts adds up to 21
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but how can putnam say that? it is still strange for me though, given the fact that Murray had been convicted for the involuntary manslaughter.
We know AEG Live has to be somehow involved in the hoax. If Putnam was referring to MJ being alive/has escaped it means that most probably the AEG party would win. Then what about the KJ party? There has to be some other purpose behind thios trial apart from revealing 'completely' that MJ is alive.
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This is truly weird! In the legal world a stipulation is something both sides agree on and therefore don't waste court time arguing about. If AEG won't agree that MJ is dead .... I'm kind of speechless actually! Where the heck is this all going?!
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I want to explain how significant I think this article is. First, it is written by a reporter from LA TIMES, and LA TIMES is NOT a tabloid. It is the largest news organization in LA.
Second, this statement is made by a lawyer who represents AEG. A lawyer of all things....... not just a simple, unimportant hoaxer like me.
This statement is very odd indeed as the article says, since if it is agreed and binding, the judge has to enforce it, which means that now it is revealed to the whole world that MICHAEL IS ALIVE...... and all they have to do is prove it...........
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This is truly weird! In the legal world a stipulation is something both sides agree on and therefore don't waste court time arguing about. If AEG won't agree that MJ is dead .... I'm kind of speechless actually! Where the heck is this all going?!
Yeah exactly!
Presumably the stipulation is from the KJ side?....if it is, then if AEG don't agree to stipulate that Michael Jackson is dead, which is a pretty basic kind of stipulation in a "Wrongful Death" trial....then yes...where is this all headed?
Does AEG then need to *prove* that Michael Jackson is not dead? :icon_cool:
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@Faithad777...I just read your post after I posted mine..... on the same wavelength ...love it!
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Well.. all I can say is that sounds good to me!! :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
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'Da troot' will prevail!
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.........Does AEG then need to *prove* that Michael Jackson is not dead? :icon_cool:
D'ya think they'd like our help with that??!!! :icon_lol:
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Perhaps the oddest moment of the jury picking occurred Tuesday when AEG attorney Marvin Putnam said he would not stipulate that Michael Jackson was dead
ja!.. the people have their doubts but many do not dare to say
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Hi Adi, yah, I know, it's all good. I still can't believe we are reading this......that this is really happening.......I literally had to re-read that last statement from Putnam several times to make sure I wasn't hallucinating or something!!!! :omg: :omg: :omg:
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:LolLolLolLol: Faithad.....
Yeah, baby, yeah!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2HBdRCroks[/youtube]
hehe
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.........Does AEG then need to *prove* that Michael Jackson is not dead? :icon_cool:
D'ya think they'd like our help with that??!!! :icon_lol:
naahhh.....they probably already know all about it :icon_e_wink:
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Before we get too carried away with this, I just read this explanation on MJJC which seems pretty plausible and makes Putnam's statement just legal procedure.
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/127843-General-Discussion-AEG-files-their-summary-judgment-motion-asking-to-dismiss-Katherine-s-lawsuit/page132?p=3813323#post3813323
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so here's recent tweets from @Ivy_4MJ
(http://grabilla.com/03418-d09c7d55-8490-4c5d-952c-3af8d16c14a0.png) (http://grabilla.com/03418-d09c7d55-8490-4c5d-952c-3af8d16c14a0.html)
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Adi, I can't watch the video now since I'm at work, will watch whenever I have a chance.
"Perhaps the oddest moment of the jury picking occurred Tuesday when AEG attorney Marvin Putnam said he would not stipulate that Michael Jackson was dead[/b]"
Curls, I read the MJJC explanation, but I have an issue with it and my argument to it is that it is already established that Michael died almost 4 years ago, there was a trial and Murray was found guilty and sentenced to jail. This civil trial is to deny or confirm that AEG IS or ISN'T responsible for his death. Not that he died....... So why on earth would the stipulation that he is dead come into question???
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Believers and non-believers will always see things differently. I guess it's good to have their pov to keep some balance but we must admit that it's a big hoaxy sentence... as always only tIME will tell! :ghsdf:
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Adi, I can't watch the video now since I'm at work, will watch whenever I have a chance.
"Perhaps the oddest moment of the jury picking occurred Tuesday when AEG attorney Marvin Putnam said he would not stipulate that Michael Jackson was dead[/b]"
Curls, I read the MJJC explanation, but I have an issue with it and my argument to it is that it is already established that Michael died almost 4 years ago, there was a trial and Murray was found guilty and sentenced to jail. This civil trial is to deny or confirm that AEG IS or ISN'T responsible for his death. Not that he died....... So why on earth would the stipulation that he is dead come into question???
agree, it's like the whole issue is going into some other dimension. AEG is not here to tell whether or not Michael self administered the drug, killed himself or whatever. The only matter they must be concerned about is hiring murray and in this situation Putnam saying such a statement is indeed bold. I hope to see news article in the near future explaining the context surrounding the statement.
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Oh deaders will do back flips to explain away the obvious. That's nothing new. They had all sorts of logical explanations for "alleged victim" on "alleged date" too. All BS and we knew it.
I'll go ahead n get carried away.
It's going to get more n more obvious. In the end, MJ himself might just moonwalk across the courtroom.
Deaders will say he's just an impersonator. Lol!
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deaders ? :icon_lol:
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Yes deaders. As opposed to hoaxers :icon_cool:
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Oh deaders will do back flips to explain away the obvious. That's nothing new. They had all sorts of logical explanations for "alleged victim" on "alleged date" too. All BS and we knew it.
I'll go ahead n get carried away.
It's going to get more n more obvious. In the end, MJ himself might just moonwalk across the courtroom.
Deaders will say he's just an impersonator. Lol!
Just what I was thinking, bec. I mean it's just so out there and up in your face. But it hasn't been as blatant and major news like this one yet....
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In the end, MJ himself might just moonwalk across the courtroom.
Deaders will say he's just an impersonator. Lol!
Most probably! :LolLolLolLol: And the controversy with "fake" MJs in "This Is It" isn't going to help them I guess. :argue:
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when the real truth is out, no one will have to give any alternate explanations...it would crystal clear. just the truth and you. :icon_e_geek:
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True that, Thriller, but until then it's going to be fun to watch them make everything fit in line with their brand of reality. We've been accused of it for long enough.
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we're havin fun already!
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/9fcb7110d368d85dcb951de6a6779b6d/tumblr_mlrta6BbIw1s5a9f3o1_250.gif)
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I don't think this is necessarily about deaders v hoaxers - it might simply be a case of legal procedure. If AEG want to bring up the circumstances around MJ's 'death', not stipulating that MJ is dead allows them to do so. This is a good thing! And I agree it is an incredibly hoaxy way of phrasing it!
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I don't think this is necessarily about deaders v hoaxers - it might simply be a case of legal procedure. If AEG want to bring up the circumstances around MJ's 'death', not stipulating that MJ is dead allows them to do so. This is a good thing! And I agree it is an incredibly hoaxy way of phrasing it!
both the parties have to agree to it. It has not been mentioned what the KJ attornies have to say about this.
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^^^ What do you mean Thriller by, 'both parties have to agree to it'?
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KJ and AEG...
edit: by 'stipulation' both parties have to agree upon certain conditions. In this case Putnam is not ready to agree upon Mj was dead.
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Isn't that the whole point? They don't agree. They don't have to. Isn't that what stipulation is all about? If both parties agree/stipulate on a 'fact' then they don't waste time with it in court.
Edit: ...and if they don't agree, as in this case, then the subject in question will be thrashed out in court. Putnam obviously wants to examine MJ's 'death'.
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well, we haven't heard anything from the Jackson lawyers...we can't really say what they are agreeing upon. The whole point is that the statement made by Putnam is hoaxy.
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I would think that the Defendants (AEG) would stipulate to the death itself... but not to the manner or method if they are still playing the MJ blame game. It's interesting if this is a ploy to force the Plaintiffs to PROVE death itself. Kinda scary actually as this doesn't feel like a BAM that Michael would have envisioned. Being busted as a faker at the hand of AEG isn't likely to leave a good vibe with the general populous. I doubt that would be his plan.
We may be getting riled up for nothing too. Misquotes...accidentally & intentionally...happen all the time. Putnam may have said they weren't stipulating to the ABC's of the death and the reporter just chopped it up a bit. Ain't editing grand...SMDH...but that sentence had my eyebrows pinned high too for a bit. As with all other things these past years it's become standard protocol...if you can't witness the lips moving and hear the words coming out of them...nothing to do but wait and see where it fits or falls on the truth scale.
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I'm dumb-founded! I always felt the CM trial seemed scripted... and now I believe the AEG trial is [probably] scripted as well. Maybe the AEG trial will bring light to all the inconsistencies in Michael's death; the inconsistencies we have recognized years ago, but the general public ignores. Maybe it will shed light to all the non-believers and cause their eyes to open every so slightly.
Looking forward to the ride!
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ok, so wait a second here, AEG lawyer wont say he's legally dead? am I understanding correctly?
the nonbelievers already jumped on this statement, saying: lawyer has lost his marbles!!!!
wow............
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OMG!!!!
“@ABC7Courts: Before defense's motions were discussed, the attorneys for both sides had a heated discussion about whether Michael Jackson is indeed dead”
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“@ABC7Courts: Jacksons attorney said "MJ is still alive, according to AEG." This was a jab at AEG's attorney who didn't stipulate to dismiss a juror yest”
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Wow! this is exciting, the declaration of Putman surprisingly "not stipulate That Michael Jackson was dead" if not specified then this is the trial?
why not say it and now? MJ is alive
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I just really hope this is part of MICHAEL's plan.
If it's not, this is not good news at all. What if he's not ready to come back yet.
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For those without access...this was a series of tweets...
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r303/SCLady8/HOAX/twitter4-24-13_zpsd7ed5383.png)
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I just really hope this is part of MICHAEL's plan.
If it's not, this is not good news at all. What if he's not ready to come back yet.
I think this has to be part of Michael's plan and I think his return (and the lead up to it) is the reason for this trial going ahead. But if you mean that AEG might be trying to smoke Michael out prematurely by doing this, then I admit the thought has crossed my mind as well. IF AEG is or represents the "bad guys" then it might make sense that they would do this as they would undoubtedly be aware of the hoax, even if they are not on the inside. But if they're just trying to expose Michael then it won't work because of everyone who will say otherwise (for now) - the Jackson family, people on the scene that day, etc., they know their script and won't deviate until Michael says so. I believe Michael will come back when he is ready and not before. This "not dead" thing could be a toe-in-the-water type of test or something.
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I just really hope this is part of MICHAEL's plan.
If it's not, this is not good news at all. What if he's not ready to come back yet.
I think this has to be part of Michael's plan and I think his return (and the lead up to it) is the reason for this trial going ahead. But if you mean that AEG might be trying to smoke Michael out prematurely by doing this, then I admit the thought has crossed my mind as well. IF AEG is or represents the "bad guys" then it might make sense that they would do this as they would undoubtedly be aware of the hoax, even if they are not on the inside. But if they're just trying to expose Michael then it won't work because of everyone who will say otherwise (for now) - the Jackson family, people on the scene that day, etc., they know their script and won't deviate until Michael says so. I believe Michael will come back when he is ready and not before. This "not dead" thing could be a toe-in-the-water type of test or something.
I totally agree with you Andrea!! The "Reveal" has to start sometime, and I think...This Is It!! :penguin:
Sending all of you Beautiful souls...LOVE!!!!! :bearhug:...
We miss and LOVE you Michael!!!!!!!!! :bearhug: Keepin the Faith, always!!!!! xox
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I just really hope this is part of MICHAEL's plan.
If it's not, this is not good news at all. What if he's not ready to come back yet.
I think this has to be part of Michael's plan and I think his return (and the lead up to it) is the reason for this trial going ahead. But if you mean that AEG might be trying to smoke Michael out prematurely by doing this, then I admit the thought has crossed my mind as well. IF AEG is or represents the "bad guys" then it might make sense that they would do this as they would undoubtedly be aware of the hoax, even if they are not on the inside. But if they're just trying to expose Michael then it won't work because of everyone who will say otherwise (for now) - the Jackson family, people on the scene that day, etc., they know their script and won't deviate until Michael says so. I believe Michael will come back when he is ready and not before. This "not dead" thing could be a toe-in-the-water type of test or something.
I hope you're right. It would be horrible if this is not Michael's plan at all and we're just cheering here because the truth is coming out.
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It's not because Michael has a plan that AEG is just sitting, waiting for things to fall on their heads... they surely read about us and consider hoax as a possibility
I agree that they must "disagree" so that the thing is discussed BUT : if you do consider what is written here, they plan to discuss the fact that MJ is dead, or not. It's different than disagreeing about how, why, who etc. THE DEATH itself is a point they wish to have words about ?
If Michael actually faked his death, i think AEG will surely try to move first and ruin his plans by taking him out and proove him a faker.
Maybe they really feel something is wrong about this death and they take all space possible to defend themselves in case this option was real.
If they admit the fact that he is dead, they will have to justify what happened and everything they did to MJ. Now if they stop at the first step "Is MJ really dead ?" and actually proove it, MJ will be back BUT they will managed to avoid talk about everything else by ending the trial : "no death = no wrongful death case" and so MJ will have no fair explanation from AEG in front of court.
I think they protect themselves with every sides possible.
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Well.. all I can say is that sounds good to me!! :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
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'Da troot' will prevail!
Me too ! As long as it's part of the plan.
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Well.. all I can say is that sounds good to me!! :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
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'Da troot' will prevail!
Me too ! As long as it's part of the plan.
:penguin:
Oh God I'd feel horrible if this is not Michael's plan and we believers are here cheering for the 'bad guys'..
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It's not because Michael has a plan that AEG is just sitting, waiting for things to fall on their heads... they surely read about us and consider hoax as a possibility
I agree that they must "disagree" so that the thing is discussed BUT : if you do consider what is written here, they plan to discuss the fact that MJ is dead, or not. It's different than disagreeing about how, why, who etc. THE DEATH itself is a point they wish to have words about ?
If Michael actually faked his death, i think AEG will surely try to move first and ruin his plans by taking him out and proove him a faker.
Maybe they really feel something is wrong about this death and they take all space possible to defend themselves in case this option was real.
If they admit the fact that he is dead, they will have to justify what happened and everything they did to MJ. Now if they stop at the first step "Is MJ really dead ?" and actually proove it, MJ will be back BUT they will managed to avoid talk about everything else by ending the trial : "no death = no wrongful death case" and so MJ will have no fair explanation from AEG in front of court.
I think they protect themselves with every sides possible.
I definitely see what you're saying. AEG's motive (via Putnam) for not stipulating that Michael is dead hinges on whose side their on - Michael's or their own. For argument's sake, let's say AEG is on the defensive and not part of the hoax...do they have any more proof than WE do that Michael is still alive? Would OUR theories and arguments hold up in a court of law to determine whether Michael is alive?? Would it be viewed strictly as a "conspiracy"... sort of like the "conspiracy" that AEG tried to push Michael beyond his capabilities so they could acquire his music catalog if Michael didn't perform all 50 shows... IF AEG is lashing out, it could be due to their knowledge of their own deceptive plan, IF that is what they were really planning. And if they were planning that, Michael hoaxing his death would've really pissed them off.
But, it was such a hoaxy thing for Putnam to say! Same with all the things Randy Phillips has said. Such good scripting!
So again, it comes down to AEG's ultimate role in this whole hoax. If they are "in on it" then the trial is part of the movie and ARG theories... if they are not then the trial is probably part of the sting aspect but would still also include the movie/ARG and other aspects. Either way, time will tell.
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First off, we need to have more faith in MJ then this. Remember he is the one driving. I'm convinced this whole thing is scripted too, same as Murray trial. How? No idea, but movie making is over my head. That said, I know this is all MJ's doing. He's got everything under control.
IF AEG wasn't in on it, that makes this a REAL court case, do you really think MJ is going to want his mother to sue for wrongful death?
Beyond that, IF this were a real court case, and AEG suspecting the hoax would be bad for MJ, don't you think SOMEONE would have contacted Souza and asked her to shut the site down years ago? You really think they would allow us to continue with this open public record if it could in some way hurt MJ?
No way. I don't believe that for a second.
This is one of the reasons why I have never been able to wrap my brain around the whole FBI sting theory.
And it's not too late either. No reason for all our chatter to remain online and public. If someone sniffed around and learned a thing or two that they shouldn't, there's no reason to allow them continued open 24/7 access. Yet... we are still here. No one has contacted Souza. Crickets.
Would OUR theories and arguments hold up in a court of law to determine whether Michael is alive??
Yes they would. After sitting on a jury myself last year, yes, they would. If you had the undivided attention of a panel of people for several days in which to lay out your case, you betcha it would stand up in court.
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well said Bec, MJ will make sure everything is moving in his direction, even if not...he might be having 'plan B's'.
KJ and AEG both know MJ is alive...so the trial can be scripted. And i feel the purpose of this scripted trial can be a sting on media.
isn't diane dimond covering the trial?
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TS was always saying we should find arguments that would stand up in court. And why did he say that!
Andrea and Bec, well said!
I think key people in AEG (Phillips and Anshutz) and Sony were in, and then as time went on, more and more became aware of the hoax, same with the media. But by the time they caught on, the Thing was so huge and snowballing, they would be fools to speak up and had to go with the flow.
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TS was always saying we should find arguments that would stand up in court. And why did he say that!
Well we thought it was for Murray trial. Guess not. He's a clever fake informer, that TS/TS_comments :icon_e_ugeek:
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TS was always saying we should find arguments that would stand up in court. And why did he say that!
Well we thought it was for Murray trial. Guess not. He's a clever fake informer, that TS/TS_comments :icon_e_ugeek:
I still think TS was not a fake informer...the information has only been twisted to a large extent. only time will us the truth from all the conflicting information.
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Beyond that, IF this were a real court case, and AEG suspecting the hoax would be bad for MJ, don't you think SOMEONE would have contacted Souza and asked her to shut the site down years ago? You really think they would allow us to continue with this open public record if it could in some way hurt MJ?
No way. I don't believe that for a second.
This is one of the reasons why I have never been able to wrap my brain around the whole FBI sting theory.
And it's not too late either. No reason for all our chatter to remain online and public. If someone sniffed around and learned a thing or two that they shouldn't, there's no reason to allow them continued open 24/7 access. Yet... we are still here. No one has contacted Souza. Crickets.
I totally agree with you Bec! This is the thing that has kept me from getting so wrapped up in anything here. Why has this site been allowed to continue for all these years! This site has been mentioned, spoken about, pointed out and even poked at in newspapers and other internet sites all over the world, yet no one in Michael's family or those in charge of the estate has come out and said the site is a travesty, it's a slap in the face and should be shut down! Why, because this site is just as big a part of Michael's plan as the helicopter, memorial, funeral, autopsy reports, coroner's van and the courtroom cases with their lawyers! Michael planned the beginning of this hoax and it has worked well because the majority out there really believe that he is dead. And he has the end of it planned just as well as the beginning! God was with Michael in the beginning, He is with Him now and He will be with Him in the ending of it all. I'm not worried about Michael. I'm not getting excited over words. I'm only believing that the end is near! As they sang at the memorial, "Soon and very soon we are going to see the king!" "That's a wrap!!"
Stay blessed!
OnTheWingsOfLove!
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For those without access...this was a series of tweets...
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r303/SCLady8/HOAX/twitter4-24-13_zpsd7ed5383.png)
Thanks for posting these tweets Love4Michael. So we have a juror who's not sure MJ is dead (that's pretty cool!) and Putnam wouldn't agree to dismiss him. Sounds like that was translated as Putnam not stipulating that MJ is dead and both sides had a debate about whether he is dead or not - that would've been interesting to hear!
Anyway, moving on, I agree we shouldn't be worried about whether this is going according to MJ's plan. This latest with Putnam, plus the doubles talk has me more convinced than ever that this is all part of MJ's huge production.
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Onthewingsoflove
Why has this site been allowed to continue for all these years! This site has been mentioned, spoken about, pointed out and even poked at in newspapers and other internet sites all over the world, yet no one in Michael's family or those in charge of the estate has come out and said the site is a travesty, it's a slap in the face and should be shut down! Why, because this site is just as big a part of Michael's plan as the helicopter, memorial, funeral, autopsy reports, coroner's van and the courtroom cases with their lawyers! Michael planned the beginning of this hoax and it has worked well because the majority out there really believe that he is dead. And he has the end of it planned just as well as the beginning! God was with Michael in the beginning, He is with Him now and He will be with Him in the ending of it all. I'm not worried about Michael. I'm not getting excited over words. I'm only believing that the end is near! As they sang at the memorial, "Soon and very soon we are going to see the king!" "That's a wrap!!"
:th_bravo:
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Michael Jackson trial date set, but defense won’t even admit he’s actually dead (Video)
http://www.examiner.com/video/michael-jackson-was-afraid-of-being-assassinated-on-stage
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bec:
Beyond that, IF this were a real court case, and AEG suspecting the hoax would be bad for MJ, don't you think SOMEONE would have contacted Souza and asked her to shut the site down years ago? You really think they would allow us to continue with this open public record if it could in some way hurt MJ?
No way. I don't believe that for a second.
This is one of the reasons why I have never been able to wrap my brain around the whole FBI sting theory.
And it's not too late either. No reason for all our chatter to remain online and public. If someone sniffed around and learned a thing or two that they shouldn't, there's no reason to allow them continued open 24/7 access. Yet... we are still here. No one has contacted Souza. Crickets.
onthewingsoflove:
I totally agree with you Bec! This is the thing that has kept me from getting so wrapped up in anything here. Why has this site been allowed to continue for all these years! This site has been mentioned, spoken about, pointed out and even poked at in newspapers and other internet sites all over the world, yet no one in Michael's family or those in charge of the estate has come out and said the site is a travesty, it's a slap in the face and should be shut down! Why, because this site is just as big a part of Michael's plan as the helicopter, memorial, funeral, autopsy reports, coroner's van and the courtroom cases with their lawyers! Michael planned the beginning of this hoax and it has worked well because the majority out there really believe that he is dead. And he has the end of it planned just as well as the beginning! God was with Michael in the beginning, He is with Him now and He will be with Him in the ending of it all. I'm not worried about Michael. I'm not getting excited over words. I'm only believing that the end is near! As they sang at the memorial, "Soon and very soon we are going to see the king!" "That's a wrap!!"
I do see what you guys are saying but if there IS a sting, then the forum's continuing presence provides what is needed to avoid entrapment, like TS said. We don't know for sure if there is a sting but for myself, I don't want to eliminate it as part of the hoax until it's all said and done. I actually like the sting aspect because I feel there is too much sanctioned evil that goes on in the world that people allow mostly because they are unaware of it or feel powerless to do anything about it. I'm not saying it's Michael's responsibility to expose anything but if he has an opportunity to then perhaps he will take advantage of that. I tend to see cover-ups almost everywhere and my Mom was telling me that she was listening to some guy on the radio saying that people who are 'conspiracy theorists' become incapable of thinking any other way (my mom doesn't like the way I think) which could be true. But the counter-argument to that is that no, you don't think the way you used to because you've become 'awakened' or whatever you want to call it. So I don't know. And if the sting is on the media then it would go beyond just them because it's the global elitists who own the media and dictate how the news is told, how it's slanted to get the reactions they want so the governments can proceed what they planned to do anyways, according to predicted public 'outcry'. See? There I go again.
But apart from possibly avoiding entrapment, I think the forum is kept open at Michael's say so because we've been recording the hoax as it happens. We might not get it right all the time but it's public record, available to anyone to either read or participate.
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we can never eliminate any info until the hoax is completely over and Michael is out. Until then every info will be twisted and will be a mystery.This is my strong belief.
If there really are some people trying to get hold of him or harm him, then how could MJ trust a person who appears to be his fan. We don't even know each other well. How is he supposed to know. If every information in this hoax was plain and clear....there would literally be no meaning left in doing this hoax.
But hoax is to 'achieve' something. Entertainment is for fans but there is sure a sting...and the basic level is media.
Speaking Ideally, I feel that this coming trial is scripted...and it is upto the media how they present it to us. If someone misinforms, then the fun starts.
I don't know if this hoax will 'reform' media, but it will sure let people realise that everything once told about Michael cannot be believed anymore. And with that, people will understand him more. This is the ideal picture i have in my mind.
But here comes the other side: ...How many people other than the fans actually read about MJ?
After all these years, people blurt out the same stinking opinions about Michael and act as experts in analying him and portray him as a mentally unstable freak who made his life hell. Some say he's plastic head to toe, others say 'raped' kids, then they say he did a sex change operation.
Don't be surprised, these are the comments I have to hear the moment the other person knows I'm MJ fan.
We know the truth....but they are so far away from it. They are just not ready to listen to me when I am willing to explain to them every bit of what happened.
Even if Michael comes back tomorrow, how many of them will take the 'pains' to read the updates and the whole story? I can't see it happening. The world has become ignorant beyond our beliefs. Instead of knowing by themselves, the public will attack MJ fans saying Michael cheated on his fans whereas that is not the case.
I would love to know how in the world this image reconstruction thing could happen. it seems almost impossible.
But I do know that Michael must be having a way with all these situations. But, still it frustrates me...i'm human.
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I'm quite elated to see this type of information surface, but come on, it seems that many of you are astonished by that last sentence! it is quite remarkable, but I expected michael for quite sometime now, and this supposed "sensationalistic" assertion that michael has not yet departed from this realm of existence shouldn't come as a surprise. Putnam hinting that michael is still alive, and saying so without the greatest degree of subtlety incorporated. Yes, it's informative....and remarkably surprising that a sentiment that profound would be left in an article...but lets be honest here...
it was going to be in an article sooner or later.
Nobody remembers when I posted a TMZ article (that was shortly retracted after erroneously written, which some of you contested the authenticity and questioned whether or not that was a real article) and murray stated that "michael might as well be alive."
Nothing comes as a surprise!
I'm happy this information was finally printed. (and the article wasn't retracted)
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Hi Adi, I was just now able to watch the short snippet you posted yesterday. Too funny!!!
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It is extremely difficult to figure out what's the truth and what's exaggeration, media manipulation or just plain old lies. The most intolerable problem about this trial is that it is not going to be televised and we have to rely on media for updates and news..... Before this trial has even started we are already reading very hoax related news, and it seems that we are being bombarded with very revealing truths that we already knew, but was never reported by media or lawyers in such a public way before.
It has already been proven that this trial is going to be one that's going to go down in history books, with a lot of surprises to look forward to, a lot of shocking information to be revealed that's going to "thrill" us and the whole world.......
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This whole hoax is one HUGE study on 'Human Nature' (as MJ sang). There's the herd mentality, the attention seekers, the bigots, the gradual acceptance of double-speak in our society, the dumbing down of our thinking, moral decline, and on and on. I know MJ has long been well aware of all the nuances and psychology of human behavior, and at this point doesn't give a __ about any of it anymore, and is going to do what he feels in the long run will benefit those he loves the most, and the general world for the better. I, for one, completely trust the man.
Andrea
I tend to see cover-ups almost everywhere and my Mom was telling me that she was listening to some guy on the radio saying that people who are 'conspiracy theorists' become incapable of thinking any other way
Ain’t it the truth! Once your eyes have been opened you just can't see the old way. :icon_e_wink: But a CT can take things too far, and see a monster behind every bush where there is none-- one has to be balanced.
Thriller
I would love to know how in the world this image reconstruction thing could happen. it seems almost impossible.
That will the climactic genius master stroke! And I have no doubts he's ready! It will likely be some way we have never even speculated on.
Whatyourheartsays and Andrea, I really liked how you worded the essence of the dilemna that AEG might be finding themselves in, or not.
It's all such delectable movie tension, and so many possibilities. I also remember TS asking if we thought 'they' knew about the hoax and beat MJ to it.
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Nobody remembers when I posted a TMZ article (that was shortly retracted after erroneously written, which some of you contested the authenticity and questioned whether or not that was a real article) and murray stated that "michael might as well be alive."
Nothing comes as a surprise!
I'm happy this information was finally printed. (and the article wasn't retracted)
Do you have the link to that TMZ article?? I can't remember it.
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It was retracted. I remember it mrbigshot :icon_e_wink:
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The King of Pop, Michael Jackson still alive?
http://en.mediamass.net/people/michael-jackson/alive.html
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It was retracted. I remember it mrbigshot :icon_e_wink:
Yes, I remember as well.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,18877.msg325811.html#msg325811
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I just really hope this is part of MICHAEL's plan.
If it's not, this is not good news at all. What if he's not ready to come back yet.
I think this has to be part of Michael's plan and I think his return (and the lead up to it) is the reason for this trial going ahead. But if you mean that AEG might be trying to smoke Michael out prematurely by doing this, then I admit the thought has crossed my mind as well. IF AEG is or represents the "bad guys" then it might make sense that they would do this as they would undoubtedly be aware of the hoax, even if they are not on the inside. But if they're just trying to expose Michael then it won't work because of everyone who will say otherwise (for now) - the Jackson family, people on the scene that day, etc., they know their script and won't deviate until Michael says so. I believe Michael will come back when he is ready and not before. This "not dead" thing could be a toe-in-the-water type of test or something.
Right this is a test for general public who is not yet aware of the hoax the same way TS tested us with the fake BAM last Christmas, all that to see their/our reactions, Michael is a witty man, YAY!!
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It's not because Michael has a plan that AEG is just sitting, waiting for things to fall on their heads... they surely read about us and consider hoax as a possibility
I agree that they must "disagree" so that the thing is discussed BUT : if you do consider what is written here, they plan to discuss the fact that MJ is dead, or not. It's different than disagreeing about how, why, who etc. THE DEATH itself is a point they wish to have words about ?
If Michael actually faked his death, i think AEG will surely try to move first and ruin his plans by taking him out and proove him a faker.
Maybe they really feel something is wrong about this death and they take all space possible to defend themselves in case this option was real.
If they admit the fact that he is dead, they will have to justify what happened and everything they did to MJ. Now if they stop at the first step "Is MJ really dead ?" and actually proove it, MJ will be back BUT they will managed to avoid talk about everything else by ending the trial : "no death = no wrongful death case" and so MJ will have no fair explanation from AEG in front of court.
I think they protect themselves with every sides possible.
Do you think that if there were a slightly possibility that this actually might happen, Michael would allow this site to remain opened to expose him as a faker? I don't really think so, IMHO.
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TS was always saying we should find arguments that would stand up in court. And why did he say that!
Well we thought it was for Murray trial. Guess not. He's a clever fake informer, that TS/TS_comments :icon_e_ugeek:
I still think TS was not a fake informer...the information has only been twisted to a large extent. only time will us the truth from all the conflicting information.
HOAX = FAKE (not real)
TS = INSIDER (person who is giving us first hand info to make us understand this hoax, maybe from MJ's inner circle??)
SO.....
TS = FAKE INFORMER ( informer of the fake)
It took me a time to understand it but I've finally understood it.
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Okay then, I'll take the short cut and ask: are we approaching the end of the hoax? MJ is revealing himself now bit by bit. But I don't non-be;ievers would ever change their minds unless they see him alive. And if that is so, how is this statement serving the hoax??? Believers know MJ is alive, non-believers won't change their minds so easily so........Nothing has changed!
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Okay then, I'll take the short cut and ask: are we approaching the end of the hoax? MJ is revealing himself now bit by bit. But I don't non-be;ievers would ever change their minds unless they see him alive. And if that is so, how is this statement serving the hoax??? Believers know MJ is alive, non-believers won't change their minds so easily so........Nothing has changed!
I understand what you say, but I think there are already changes, from the time a newspaper publishes the POSSIBILITY that MJ is still alive, this is something they had to do, the rumor is already installed. Nonbelievers have also taken the opportunity, in fact have entered the forum many new members who so expressed. I also know that many people take the news, as word of the truth, but something they must do for themselves. MJ truths take many years saying that I, for some years, I finally understood that he spoke.
I trust firmly in MJ, and that the truth will be revealed. I just hope that this trial has accredited journalists to express clearly what happens there.
I do not want to Diane Dimond there!! :LolLolLolLol:
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Would OUR theories and arguments hold up in a court of law to determine whether Michael is alive??
Yes they would. After sitting on a jury myself last year, yes, they would. If you had the undivided attention of a panel of people for several days in which to lay out your case, you betcha it would stand up in court.
Yes that's completely true. My own experiences show that having anyone's undivided attention for even 5-10 minutes has them considering it a possibility. Prepared properly, having the time to go in depth and presenting all the evidence - when people see it for themselves, most would certainly realize the truth. Even without knowing everything because we don't know everything either and here we are, still firm in our belief after almost 4 years.
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diggyon, what you said is very true but (here comes the big "but") this statement is so very important since it validates what we've been discussing here for almost 4 years now. For a JUROR and a LAWYER representing a very powerful institution such as AEG (Live) to state in a very public way that they are not entirely sure that Michael is dead is the beginning of Michael's comeback, in my opinion. I think this statement opens the rabbit hole where others who were thinking the same but were afraid to say it out loud will now have enough courage to admit to it without feeling like a freak; this is a very big step in my opinion.
When "Michael is not dead" becomes the truth, the norm, instead of the opposite, then Michael will have to prove this by revealing himself for the whole world to see. The road for Michael's comeback is being paved in such a genius way that it's nothing less than a THRILLER!!!!!
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diggyon, what you said is very true but (here comes the big "but") this statement is so very important since it validates what we've been discussing here for almost 4 years now. For a JUROR and a LAWYER representing a very powerful institution such as AEG (Live) to state in a very public way that they are not entirely sure that Michael is dead is the beginning of Michael's comeback, in my opinion. I think this statement opens the rabbit hole where others who were thinking the same but were afraid to say it out loud will now have enough courage to admit to it without feeling like a freak; this is a very big step in my opinion.
When "Michael is not dead" becomes the truth, the norm, instead of the opposite, then Michael will have to prove this by revealing himself for the whole world to see. The road for Michael's comeback is being paved in such a genius way that it's nothing less than a THRILLER!!!!!
I hope so... I think this has been a mind screw for media so far. :icon_albino: It's going to be an interesting show.
I just saw this tweet,
@AlanDukeCNN 24 Apr @Pearljr AEG lawyer didn't say MJ is not dead, just that it's an element of the case Jackson lawyers must prove. AEG not giving an inch.
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It is extremely difficult to figure out what's the truth and what's exaggeration, media manipulation or just plain old lies. The most intolerable problem about this trial is that it is not going to be televised and we have to rely on media for updates and news.....
That's on purpose, I'm certain of it. We will see why in time. I'm certain of that too.
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mindseye, this tweet
@AlanDukeCNN 24 Apr @Pearljr AEG lawyer didn't say MJ is not dead, just that it's an element of the case Jackson lawyers must prove. AEG not giving an inch.
that you just posted is even more significant in that the way I understand it is again why would the Jackson lawyers have to prove that Michael is not dead???
What they must prove is HOW Michael died, and if AEG was responsible. Why did they even find it necessary to mention such a statement???? Seems someone is working very hard behind the scenes to prepare the world to understand the fact that HE IS NOT DEAD.....
bec, I am beginning to sense that too.
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i wonder if these recent doubts planted abt MJ being 'not dead' may actually provoke some look back to CM trial and pay attention / question the use the word 'alleged'. it should. they prob wont though
bring it MJ :bowdown:
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But apart from possibly avoiding entrapment, I think the forum is kept open at Michael's say so because we've been recording the hoax as it happens. We might not get it right all the time but it's public record, available to anyone to either read or participate.
Exactly!!! I keep going back to what TS said about the hoax, "It's all of the above!" He in essence said it was something that no one could ever imagine. As I keep thinking back over things from this site, I keep "cooling my jets!" :icon_e_biggrin:
Back when Murray's courtroom case was coming up, I did cast my vote for it being a sting court, and I think it is the same with this court case. As I said then and will say again I'm just sitting here with my eyes open waiting to see who or what is the object of the sting! :icon_eek:
I've believed all along, and nothing over the past 3 1/2 years has changed my mind, that this is Michael's site, created for the hoax, created for the believers! :icon_e_wink:
As the years have rolled on this site has become a more peaceful site. I have noticed less in-fighting among the members. :argue:
And few trolls come around anymore! :animal0017:
We don't have those demonic spirits calling us names, saying we are stupid, we need to get help, this is a waste of time and so on and so on! Spirits like the one I mentioned on the old forum who saw me in the dollar store and started repeating over and over "Michael Jackson is not alive, he worked himself to death!" :icon_evil:
Those of us who have kept the faith and are still here, and the newer ones coming on now, are true believers who know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Michael is still alive, no matter what the media, family, friends, lawyers or spirits say! We truly believe that "Da troot will prevail!" In Michael's time! :woohoo2:
Thanks Michael for keeping the forum topics coming while we patiently wait! :smiley_abuv:
Aldas, Beannu, Benedizione, Benediction, Bendicion, Bencao, Valsignelse, Zegen, Segen, Palaima, Blessings, my friends! :icon_razz:
OnTheWingsOfLove!
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And also I certainly do not believe that TS was or is a fake! He did his job well! :smiley_abuv:
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But apart from possibly avoiding entrapment, I think the forum is kept open at Michael's say so because we've been recording the hoax as it happens. We might not get it right all the time but it's public record, available to anyone to either read or participate.
Exactly!!! I keep going back to what TS said about the hoax, "It's all of the above!" He in essence said it was something that no one could ever imagine. As I keep thinking back over things from this site, I keep "cooling my jets!" :icon_e_biggrin:
Back when Murray's courtroom case was coming up, I did cast my vote for it being a sting court, and I think it is the same with this court case. As I said then and will say again I'm just sitting here with my eyes open waiting to see who or what is the object of the sting! :icon_eek:
I've believed all along, and nothing over the past 3 1/2 years has changed my mind, that this is Michael's site, created for the hoax, created for the believers! :icon_e_wink:
As the years have rolled on this site has become a more peaceful site. I have noticed less in-fighting among the members. :argue:
And few trolls come around anymore! :animal0017:
We don't have those demonic spirits calling us names, saying we are stupid, we need to get help, this is a waste of time and so on and so on! Spirits like the one I mentioned on the old forum who saw me in the dollar store and started repeating over and over "Michael Jackson is not alive, he worked himself to death!" :icon_evil:
Those of us who have kept the faith and are still here, and the newer ones coming on now, are true believers who know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Michael is still alive, no matter what the media, family, friends, lawyers or spirits say! We truly believe that "Da troot will prevail!" In Michael's time! :woohoo2:
Thanks Michael for keeping the forum topics coming while we patiently wait! :smiley_abuv:
Aldas, Beannu, Benedizione, Benediction, Bendicion, Bencao, Valsignelse, Zegen, Segen, Palaima, Blessings, my friends! :icon_razz:
OnTheWingsOfLove!
:bowdown: :bowdown:
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And also I certainly do not believe that TS was or is a fake! He did his job well! :smiley_abuv:
:moonwalk_:
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TS was always saying we should find arguments that would stand up in court. And why did he say that!
Well we thought it was for Murray trial. Guess not. He's a clever fake informer, that TS/TS_comments :icon_e_ugeek:
I still think TS was not a fake informer...the information has only been twisted to a large extent. only time will us the truth from all the conflicting information.
HOAX = FAKE (not real)
TS = INSIDER (person who is giving us first hand info to make us understand this hoax, maybe from MJ's inner circle??)
SO.....
TS = FAKE INFORMER ( informer of the fake)
It took me a time to understand it but I've finally understood it.
yup, his job was to give us fake information....and only some parts of it true which seem to be inseperable from the lies though.
And also I certainly do not believe that TS was or is a fake! He did his job well! :smiley_abuv:
:icon_cool:
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But apart from possibly avoiding entrapment, I think the forum is kept open at Michael's say so because we've been recording the hoax as it happens. We might not get it right all the time but it's public record, available to anyone to either read or participate.
Exactly!!! I keep going back to what TS said about the hoax, "It's all of the above!" He in essence said it was something that no one could ever imagine. As I keep thinking back over things from this site, I keep "cooling my jets!" :icon_e_biggrin:
Back when Murray's courtroom case was coming up, I did cast my vote for it being a sting court, and I think it is the same with this court case. As I said then and will say again I'm just sitting here with my eyes open waiting to see who or what is the object of the sting! :icon_eek:
I've believed all along, and nothing over the past 3 1/2 years has changed my mind, that this is Michael's site, created for the hoax, created for the believers! :icon_e_wink:
As the years have rolled on this site has become a more peaceful site. I have noticed less in-fighting among the members. :argue:
And few trolls come around anymore! :animal0017:
We don't have those demonic spirits calling us names, saying we are stupid, we need to get help, this is a waste of time and so on and so on! Spirits like the one I mentioned on the old forum who saw me in the dollar store and started repeating over and over "Michael Jackson is not alive, he worked himself to death!" :icon_evil:
Those of us who have kept the faith and are still here, and the newer ones coming on now, are true believers who know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Michael is still alive, no matter what the media, family, friends, lawyers or spirits say! We truly believe that "Da troot will prevail!" In Michael's time! :woohoo2:
Thanks Michael for keeping the forum topics coming while we patiently wait! :smiley_abuv:
Aldas, Beannu, Benedizione, Benediction, Bendicion, Bencao, Valsignelse, Zegen, Segen, Palaima, Blessings, my friends! :icon_razz:
OnTheWingsOfLove!
:bowdown: :bowdown:
And also I certainly do not believe that TS was or is a fake! He did his job well! :smiley_abuv:
+1 :bowdown:
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But apart from possibly avoiding entrapment, I think the forum is kept open at Michael's say so because we've been recording the hoax as it happens. We might not get it right all the time but it's public record, available to anyone to either read or participate.
Exactly!!! I keep going back to what TS said about the hoax, "It's all of the above!" He in essence said it was something that no one could ever imagine. As I keep thinking back over things from this site, I keep "cooling my jets!" :icon_e_biggrin:
Back when Murray's courtroom case was coming up, I did cast my vote for it being a sting court, and I think it is the same with this court case. As I said then and will say again I'm just sitting here with my eyes open waiting to see who or what is the object of the sting! :icon_eek:
I've believed all along, and nothing over the past 3 1/2 years has changed my mind, that this is Michael's site, created for the hoax, created for the believers! :icon_e_wink:
As the years have rolled on this site has become a more peaceful site. I have noticed less in-fighting among the members. :argue:
And few trolls come around anymore! :animal0017:
We don't have those demonic spirits calling us names, saying we are stupid, we need to get help, this is a waste of time and so on and so on! Spirits like the one I mentioned on the old forum who saw me in the dollar store and started repeating over and over "Michael Jackson is not alive, he worked himself to death!" :icon_evil:
Those of us who have kept the faith and are still here, and the newer ones coming on now, are true believers who know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Michael is still alive, no matter what the media, family, friends, lawyers or spirits say! We truly believe that "Da troot will prevail!" In Michael's time! :woohoo2:
Thanks Michael for keeping the forum topics coming while we patiently wait! :smiley_abuv:
Aldas, Beannu, Benedizione, Benediction, Bendicion, Bencao, Valsignelse, Zegen, Segen, Palaima, Blessings, my friends! :icon_razz:
OnTheWingsOfLove!
(http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/0006.gif) (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/champion.gif)
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And also I certainly do not believe that TS was or is a fake! He did his job well! :smiley_abuv:
Very well !!!!! :icon_e_wink:
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Going back to the article, I understand what's gotten everyone so excited but I wasn't shocked when I read it myself. The last line reads:
Perhaps the oddest moment of the jury picking occurred Tuesday when AEG attorney Marvin Putnam said he would not stipulate that Michael Jackson was dead.
There is a difference between "stipulating that Michael Jackson is alive" and "NOT stipulating that Michael Jackson is dead." The double negative in conjunction with the suggestion that it was an "odd" moment, according to the author of the article, makes it seem more hoaxy than it really is, IMO.
Concerning us conspiracy theorists, I agree that we should always keep a level head and consider balanced arguments (even those from our opponents, in this case, deaders). But if I had to choose, I'd much rather be a conspiracy theorist than a sheep! At least this hoax has taught me to think beyond the surface of information I receive from any source.
This thread's discussion also makes me think about what we as hoaxers would say in a trial like this, where the "how" of Michael's "death" is in question. If we were called to the stand, what evidence would we present? Maybe we don't have "proof" in the legal sense of the word, but how would we try to convince a jury of our convictions? We have discussed a wealth of things in these forums over the years, some concrete and others based on feeling. I am reminded of Souza's wish that the forums return to actual research this year. The trial is going to push us in that direction naturally.
:judge-smiley:
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will this trial be as public as the last though? or will it be done privately, with only select info leaking out?
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There will be media in court, only without cameras @charlottevet
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cool cool, cheers!
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Going back to the article, I understand what's gotten everyone so excited but I wasn't shocked when I read it myself. The last line reads:
Perhaps the oddest moment of the jury picking occurred Tuesday when AEG attorney Marvin Putnam said he would not stipulate that Michael Jackson was dead.
There is a difference between "stipulating that Michael Jackson is alive" and "NOT stipulating that Michael Jackson is dead." The double negative in conjunction with the suggestion that it was an "odd" moment, according to the author of the article, makes it seem more hoaxy than it really is, IMO.
Not to be particular but there's no double negative in the article quote.
Just sayin' and carry on...
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Whoopsie! Double negative was not what I meant, and thank you for correcting me. In my head I was thinking it is "wrong" (negative) that MJ is dead (he is not). Sorry again!
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diggyon, what you said is very true but (here comes the big "but") this statement is so very important since it validates what we've been discussing here for almost 4 years now. For a JUROR and a LAWYER representing a very powerful institution such as AEG (Live) to state in a very public way that they are not entirely sure that Michael is dead is the beginning of Michael's comeback, in my opinion. I think this statement opens the rabbit hole where others who were thinking the same but were afraid to say it out loud will now have enough courage to admit to it without feeling like a freak; this is a very big step in my opinion.
When "Michael is not dead" becomes the truth, the norm, instead of the opposite, then Michael will have to prove this by revealing himself for the whole world to see. The road for Michael's comeback is being paved in such a genius way that it's nothing less than a THRILLER!!!!!
I hope so... I think this has been a mind screw for media so far. :icon_albino: It's going to be an interesting show.
I just saw this tweet,
@AlanDukeCNN 24 Apr @Pearljr AEG lawyer didn't say MJ is not dead, just that it's an element of the case Jackson lawyers must prove. AEG not giving an inch.
Mindseye I would add to the tweet you added the rest of the conversation because I joined the last Pearl's tiny chat and she said something very interesting about why Unity Tour shouldn't perform at the Staples Center, I sent her a email asking her to clarify me what she really meant with that and she answered me as follows:
"Well if Jackson Bros believe that AEG is responsible for killing their brother, what would you do?
I most certainly would NOT perform there and neither should AEG want them there.
This is a Billion dollar battle, that would take away the entire AEG enterprise and they'd still owe the Jacksons money".
Alan Duke @AlanDukeCNN 23 Apr
Opening statements in the Michael Jackson wrongful death trial will be heard next Monday, the judge announced Tuesday
Pearljr @Pearljr 24 Apr
@AlanDukeCNN Why didn't U report what Putnam AEG attorney said about MJ NOT BEING DEAD in court?
Alan Duke @AlanDukeCNN 24 Apr
@Pearljr AEG lawyer didn't say MJ is not dead, just that it's an element of the case Jackson lawyers must prove. AEG not giving an inch.
Pearljr @Pearljr 5h
@AlanDukeCNN AEG not giving inch but giving 20000 SEATS Staples Center 2 Jacksons 2 perform June 30 & suing AEG 4 brother's death=RIDICULOUS
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But apart from possibly avoiding entrapment, I think the forum is kept open at Michael's say so because we've been recording the hoax as it happens. We might not get it right all the time but it's public record, available to anyone to either read or participate.
Exactly!!! I keep going back to what TS said about the hoax, "It's all of the above!" He in essence said it was something that no one could ever imagine. As I keep thinking back over things from this site, I keep "cooling my jets!" :icon_e_biggrin:
Back when Murray's courtroom case was coming up, I did cast my vote for it being a sting court, and I think it is the same with this court case. As I said then and will say again I'm just sitting here with my eyes open waiting to see who or what is the object of the sting! :icon_eek:
I've believed all along, and nothing over the past 3 1/2 years has changed my mind, that this is Michael's site, created for the hoax, created for the believers! :icon_e_wink:
As the years have rolled on this site has become a more peaceful site. I have noticed less in-fighting among the members. :argue:
And few trolls come around anymore! :animal0017:
We don't have those demonic spirits calling us names, saying we are stupid, we need to get help, this is a waste of time and so on and so on! Spirits like the one I mentioned on the old forum who saw me in the dollar store and started repeating over and over "Michael Jackson is not alive, he worked himself to death!" :icon_evil:
Those of us who have kept the faith and are still here, and the newer ones coming on now, are true believers who know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Michael is still alive, no matter what the media, family, friends, lawyers or spirits say! We truly believe that "Da troot will prevail!" In Michael's time! :woohoo2:
Thanks Michael for keeping the forum topics coming while we patiently wait! :smiley_abuv:
Aldas, Beannu, Benedizione, Benediction, Bendicion, Bencao, Valsignelse, Zegen, Segen, Palaima, Blessings, my friends! :icon_razz:
OnTheWingsOfLove!
Well said, onthewingsoflove! A "peaceful site" indeed, which I think is what he intended us to become. This refining process has imbedded strength into the heart of us, equipping us for what is to come, and revealing unity along with stability and faith. Faith that says we can stand even in the absence of mentors and guides. Whatever happens, we can hold to the truth and never let go.
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MY THEORY ON THE TRIAL AND HOW IT FITS INTO THE HOAX :abouttime:
I know many of you are probably confused, you're saying "YES! This is IT!! But... is AEG in this hoax, if yes then what was the use? Why are they suing AEG for?" and many other questions. For those who have followed this conspiracy since the beginning should know that this hoax brings many reasons for its cause. One of them is the justice of the music industry and artists who live in fear of big companies like AEG. I say this is the GREAT finale, it has been said that the Jacksons have more than 100 testimonies against AEG, including celebrities like Prince, Diana Ross, Quincy Jones, Sharon Osbourne, and many others. All AGAINST AEG, the Jacksons are suing for 45 BILLION dollars!! You know how much power they are taking away from AEG??? Now, what if MJ does come back, would the case be denied? Well, as stated by LA Times, "Though the trial will zero in on whether the singer or AEG is responsible for hiring Murray, testimony will likely touch on the singer’s death, his feeble physical state as his much-anticipated comeback concert series approached and his eccentricities."[/i] Even if Michael DOES comeback, the lawsuit was on whether they hired Murray or not, not if they KILLED Michael Jackson. Michael will then have enough money to pay his debts and comeback, AEG will be exposed, justices will be served for all artist who's deaths have been unjust, case will be closed, MJ will probably come back and go on tour with the Jacksons, and with that note, the fat lady will most likey sing ;)
:multiplespotting: :beerchug: :woohoo2: :michael-jackson:
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It's a wrongful death suit.
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Even if Michael DOES comeback, the lawsuit was on whether they hired Murray or not, not if they KILLED Michael Jackson. Michael will then have enough money to pay his debts and comeback, AEG will be exposed, justices will be served for all artist who's deaths have been unjust, case will be closed, MJ will probably come back and go on tour with the Jacksons, and with that note, the fat lady will most likey sing (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/Smileys/popos/wink.gif)
It's a wrongful death suit.
Wrongful death is a claim in common law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law) jurisdictions against a person who can be held liable for a death.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_death_claim#cite_note-1) The claim is brought in a civil action (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_action), usually by close relatives, as enumerated by statute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute). [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_death_claim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_death_claim) ]
your theory has loopholes honey...
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Yes...if Katherine and the kids win the lawsuit and take the money that would be fraud.
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As we have learnt in the past, Hoaxing death is NOT against the law, ONLY providing that the individual doesn't fraudulently gain financially.
If it goes down the way you suggest, there will be significant legal repercussions.
MJ / estate can't gain financially from the death (from payouts/insurance/lawsuits etc)
Re: MJs debt, $$ generated since death hoax NOT from payout /suits have skyrocketed estates value.
Besides, it's speculation abt his debt. MJ is an astute businessman with the best of the best financial advisors.
MJ didn't hoax for $
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Mar7012 if Katherine Jackson won and took that money it would mean that Michael is dead and because that's not the case Michael will never smell that money, why?? because he is ALIVE.
Btw guys, what do you think about Unity Tour performing at the Staples Center I would like to have your feedback about it.
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Mar7012 if Katherine Jackson won and took that money it would mean that Michael is dead ...........
Not necessarily ..... I haven't discounted the idea that AEG are 'in on it', so any outcome to the trial can be in the script. From your comment I take it you think KJ will lose. Remember many people said if Murray goes to jail, MJ's dead! I'm keeping a very open mind in all this.
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Michael's alleged debts are already paid off.
IMO, AEG's role in all of this has yet to be determined because it can be argued both ways - for and against Michael/the hoax.
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Ps. I love how today's headlines say Jurors will get a "road map" to the trial.
Remember who's driving.
Lol.
And re: latest topic of convo on this thread: IMO it's all scripted. AEG is working with MJ on the hoax project. They are an entertainment company after all...
But again, that's just my opinion. Doesn't make it so. I will keep watchin'.
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Mar7012 if Katherine Jackson won and took that money it would mean that Michael is dead ...........
Not necessarily ..... I haven't discounted the idea that AEG are 'in on it', so any outcome to the trial can be in the script. From your comment I take it you think KJ will lose. Remember many people said if Murray goes to jail, MJ's dead! I'm keeping a very open mind in all this.
:icon_eek: :icon_e_confused: Well the comparison you are making between KJ-AEG trial and CM-MJ trial does make all sense, I didn't take that into account, thanks for opening my eyes and make it clearer.
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Well said, onthewingsoflove! A "peaceful site" indeed, which I think is what he intended us to become. This refining process has imbedded strength into the heart of us, equipping us for what is to come, and revealing unity along with stability and faith. Faith that says we can stand even in the absence of mentors and guides. Whatever happens, we can hold to the truth and never let go.
And very well said to you Angel!! I couldn't have said it any better! I totally agree with you! Michael has left no strings untied!
:th_bravo:
:bearhug:
Much blessings to you !!
OnTheWingsOfLove!
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MY THEORY ON THE TRIAL AND HOW IT FITS INTO THE HOAX :abouttime:
I know many of you are probably confused, you're saying "YES! This is IT!! But... is AEG in this hoax, if yes then what was the use? Why are they suing AEG for?" and many other questions. For those who have followed this conspiracy since the beginning should know that this hoax brings many reasons for its cause.
One out of two is not bad for a first timer!
You are wrong that we are confused!
You are right that we know that this hoax (and not conspiracy) has many reasons! As I quoted TS before and will quote him again, "It's all of the above!" Have you read that post on the old forum? If not, it's some very good reading !!
Bec can you post that link again, you found it for me before? Thanks!
Blessings!
OnTheWingsOfLove!
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I like this one:
ABC7 Court News @ABC7Courts 31m
Several Michael Jackson's fans hanging out in the hallway outside the courtroom. One man has a MJ Immortal t-shirt.
Why Pointing out that one person 'ey? :LolLolLolLol:
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MY THEORY ON THE TRIAL AND HOW IT FITS INTO THE HOAX :abouttime:
I know many of you are probably confused, you're saying "YES! This is IT!! But... is AEG in this hoax, if yes then what was the use? Why are they suing AEG for?" and many other questions. For those who have followed this conspiracy since the beginning should know that this hoax brings many reasons for its cause.
One out of two is not bad for a first timer!
You are wrong that we are confused!
You are right that we know that this hoax (and not conspiracy) has many reasons! As I quoted TS before and will quote him again, "It's all of the above!" Have you read that post on the old forum? If not, it's some very good reading !!
Bec can you post that link again, you found it for me before? Thanks!
Blessings!
OnTheWingsOfLove!
I was looking for it and then quit because I remembered he's a fake informer so it doesn't matter what he says, doesn't make it true. Or false even.
But I agree, we are not confused.
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With all the utter bullcrap flying around the last few weeks and the media having a feeding frenzy about the potential stuff which may be raised during this trial - i.e. the chi-mo allegations, the paternity of the children, the drug addiction, doubles, MJ's debt....well it has certainly got the world's attention and the snakes are coming out of the wood works....it makes me think back to Front's hand written post from April 11 2012: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,5167.msg397823.html#msg397823
Wrongs ---> Righted
Lies ---> Truth
Crucify ---> Resurrection
I think all the lies and BS from the past is being raised purposely, and, most likely alot of the stories intentionally planted by "someone" in order to get the media salivating like rabid dogs fighting over themselves to get the story and draw lots of global attention to it and also to remind the general population of the bullsh*t they believed being reported......only to have it BLOW up in their faces....BAM :images:
and then Front's words above will be realised :smiley_abuv:
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Okay then, i got a question for you guys. Not a question for myself but for YOU, do you know the real truth behind this hoax? Have you followed MJ's clues and searched really really really deep into the situation? I have learned a whole bunch from this hoax alone that my knowledge to certain things i've questioned before (not about michael, but about this world we live in and our history) has been answered. This is much more than just a hoax people, this is A REVOLUTION! :icon_bounce:
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With all the utter bullcrap flying around the last few weeks and the media having a feeding frenzy about the potential stuff which may be raised during this trial - i.e. the chi-mo allegations, the paternity of the children, the drug addiction, doubles, MJ's debt....well it has certainly got the world's attention and the snakes are coming out of the wood works....it makes me think back to Front's hand written post from April 11 2012: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,5167.msg397823.html#msg397823
Wrongs ---> Righted
Lies ---> Truth
Crucify ---> Resurrection
I think all the lies and BS from the past is being raised purposely, and, most likely alot of the stories intentionally planted by "someone" in order to get the media salivating like rabid dogs fighting over themselves to get the story and draw lots of global attention to it and also to remind the general population of the bullsh*t they believed being reported......only to have it BLOW up in their faces....BAM :images:
and then Front's words above will be realised :smiley_abuv:
I AGREE :)
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About AEG being in on it or not...a while ago I really was not sure - but now I think they probably are....not agreeing to stipulate that MJ is dead kind of sealed it for me....also I can't help thinking back to those SOTT's posts saying that Michael has corporate backing....which I wonder has that backing been AEG all along...being made to appear the baddies? time will tell (soon I hope!)
http://truenewszone.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/sott-lttw-archive-2002/
Michael may be made to look stupid, and sometimes he plays along or promotes that notion… but its all done with agenda. Spend some time with Michael, in a business environment, and soon you see that the man is cunning, and his persona is meant to decieve the people that he needs to take to the cleaners… Michael knows what he’s doing. He knows the game. He knows who he’s playing and how he must play. Sony may be taking his pawns, but in the end, the black King will reign, and checkmate will be called on the corporate powers that be.
Let’s just say that Michael’s original attempt was foiled, because corporate money and power is too much for any individual, including Michael Jackson. But Michael is far from stupid. He has aligned himself with a big unit, and I’m neither talking about Fayed, Cochran, or Sharpton. Michael has been trying to relaunch what he failed to accomplish in attempt one. But this time, he has corporate backing… believe me when I tell you, Sony shook the first time Michael tried, and undertook initiatives to have it blocked, and Michael’s attempt originally got lost and blocked in legalities and corporate politics.
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So dont get me wrong i love the whole family but really really 40 billion dollars. Michael never gain that money even after his return and that alone is imo a big clue by it one. Their are some possibilities i think they had to be on the hoax.
But they also could be real bad ones, therefore Katherine should win means michael alive and never comes back in witness style, cause they would be sued for lying and faking etc. IF THIS IS REAL TRIAL AND COURT of course. OR AEG wins because MJ bams in court before end.
if MJ like we believed and know still alive and returns after aeg wins could be also different if it all is real they can sue him/them for acussing they killed him????
I THINK IT IS MORE THE FINAL COUNTDOWN (GREAT GROUP EUROPE) the TIME IS UP THE TIME IS NOW HIStory is in the making again MICHAEL WE LOVE YOU ALL MISS YOU HARDLY TIME TO GIVE SOME FARTLY :icon_lol: NO IT IS TIME TO ROCK AND ROLL ALL OVER THEM LOVE IS STRONGER THEN THIS SCUMS we will survive and be the VICTORS LOVE PEACE AND i have an good feeling like kanye west would sing :omg: :bearhug: :multiplespotting: :abouttime: :WTF: :moonwalk_: