Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: SpeechlessMJJ on December 28, 2009, 10:23:07 AM
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I'm an italian believer that a bit of time I am following a user of this forum http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/?t=44827215 (http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/?t=44827215) whose nickname is blackorwhite.
She claims to be in contact with a very close source to Michael. Often she also anticipates the news.After reading everything posted, really beginning to believe her .... also because she is very sure of what she says...
Whay do you think about ?
help me!!!!!!!!
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After recent events i do not trust anyone who claims to have close contact to Michael and insider knowledge.
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I'm sorry, I don't speak italian ... What kind of things did she "anticipate"? What does she claim?
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I'm sorry, I don't speak italian ... What kind of things did she "anticipate"? What does she claim?
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This forum has in the homepage the translator. Click on the flag of the language in which you want the translation or you can use google translate like me. There are any pages but it's very interesting.
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well, I believe it..
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This forum has in the homepage the translator. Click on the flag of the language in which you want the translation or you can use google translate like me. There are any pages but it's very interesting.
Oh ok I didn't see it, thank you :)
I'll take a look
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well someone in the no must be on forums i have always thought that but who they are is anyones guess
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Ok I just read through the tread... not everythin though, I will when I have the time, but I can't believe her...but it's because I couldn't really see how she anticipated things, because what she wrote seems to be what we are discussing too so far. I think I feel that because i wasn't there before she claimed something that appeared to be true. I don't know. How long she has been on the forum? She claims she has infos since the beginning or no?
Thank you for answering :)
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She knew before they came out files fbi ... now says that Michael has gone and soon his children will follow him. Janet is with him now.
I do not know but I believe...
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ok i'm now on page 17.. and they stated it wasn't Mike at culver studio's won't let me upload the pic or post the link.. but you know which one i mean.. the bit were he says "THATS A COOL MOVE.. LETS TAKE IT TOO INFINATY" talking to kenny about the drill.. i am 100% sure it was.. it was when they did the drill scene an only Mike can do that an talk that way.. i like what there saying but theres some stuff that just doesn't ring true.. gonna keep reading tho..
oh an the orange pants mike that sang speechless and human nature fake aswell.. i don't believe that either.. link of orange pants Mike but not the pic off the site..
http://www.aboutmj.com/wp-content/uploa ... s34527.jpg (http://www.aboutmj.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/michael-jackson-this-is-it-wallpaper_intl_ds34527.jpg)
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Oh it's indeed strange that she already knew about the fbi files... I don't know, I will not hope too much. But there is also something strange that I noticed... Somewhere she talks about ghosts in This is it? I don't remember whatching any part of ghosts in the movie...do I ? :?
I see what you're talking about lisap. I think it was him too but hey... I may be wrong. I'm convinced they are doubles, but especially performing on stage, not directing or producing anything . The same when he gives the moves to the dancers, I think it was Michael too... It says Michael Jackson's This is It ;)
I'll read further :) It's interesting
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i just tried to read it. But she says Michael comes sometimes to his kids. But she also says he is in LA. So you would think he is always with his kids. The kids are living in LA right?
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another couple of points..
*it was mike with liz and the kids
*he's returning before the end of 2010
*he was not at the funeral he was in LA, but the funeral was held at forrest lawn!! some people in on it others not!! hense the smiles i'm guessing on some people
*jermaine had a headset on talking to security an Michaels other staff at the memorial
*hatman was someone in disguise.. but not Mike
*and he was at karate with the kids that day :roll:
this is interesting.. i don't usually read stuff like this.. but this is good its like reading a book!! :D
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I'm a little skeptical about this "blackorwhite" person :roll: Hope I'm wrong but...This is not the first person to claim knowing something or someone close to Michael...And nothing came out of it.
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michaels real middle name is JOE anything with JOSPEH on is fake.. i like this answer.. haha..
this is why JOE is on the FBI files.. cos he only used joesph when he felt the need.. like the marriage to LMP the video we seen.. fake marriage.. and he married her properly at some point with his real name...
is this true anyone.. did he marry her twice???
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michaels real middle name is JOE anything with JOSPEH on is fake.. i like this answer.. haha..
haha like that one too :P
Well if other things do happen later, then I will believe her :)
I must skipped the jermaine part :shock: hmm... I don't know if it is actually true but i ll still keep an eye on it. I don't get my hopes up though.
Thank you speechlessmjj for posting this :)
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michaels real middle name is JOE anything with JOSPEH on is fake.. i like this answer.. haha..
this is why JOE is on the FBI files.. cos he only used joesph when he felt the need.. like the marriage to LMP the video we seen.. fake marriage.. and he married her properly at some point with his real name...
is this true anyone.. did he marry her twice???
As far as I know, he only married her as Joseph....
Ontopic, I don't believe this person. We discussed these things too.
After being disappointed a lot of times, I'm not that naive anymore ;)
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I believe in one thing! We will see him back but not as we know/knew him, he cant come back as Michael Jackson. MJ "died" june 25th...
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they have now said that behind TIAI is a member of the jackson family!! and it will reveal a lot of truths.. :shock:
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Why more do than we know? :o
Not again so-called springs :?
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I believe in one thing! We will see him back but not as we know/knew him, he cant come back as Michael Jackson. MJ "died" june 25th...
I'm not so sure about that, IMO the 'artist' Michael Joseph Jackson died, but not the 'person' Michael Joe Jackson. So if he does come back, he comes back as himself. But not as the artist anymore.
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its an intersting read for sure... can't say i believe it but its certainly entertaining..
check this out
QUOTE (Anly- @ 26/12/2009, 23:37)Black, takes my curiosity?
Souza and Mo were the first to formulate a proper theory, the first "The Movie Theory". They knew all the information before throwing clues here and there ..... until the theory of twins who obviously had them away from the hoax.
My question is: are they too involved in the hoax? How did they know? And why throw everything to the winds with the absurd theory of the twins?
Esssere course was a clue about double .... but made that way was completely misunderstood.
this is the answer
Souza and Mo are involved in this story.
Have the role (several times) to divert the investigation not to get the truth.
In reality he has not ever removed deathoax
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:shock: What? :shock:
I have inhaled almost my cigarette completely
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:shock: What? :shock:
I have inhaled almost my cigarette completely
LOL!!
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I believe in one thing! We will see him back but not as we know/knew him, he cant come back as Michael Jackson. MJ "died" june 25th...
I dont understand it when people say he is going to come back, but not as we know him and not as Michael Jackson.
Wth?? Whats he going to come back as then? A 4ft purple dwarf??? A flying pig? What?? :lol:
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I believe in one thing! We will see him back but not as we know/knew him, he cant come back as Michael Jackson. MJ "died" june 25th...
I dont understand it when people say he is going to come back, but not as we know him and not as Michael Jackson.
Wth?? Whats he going to come back as then? A 4ft purple dwarf??? A flying pig? What?? :lol:
haha lol, Let's hope he'll be back as himself;)
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I believe in one thing! We will see him back but not as we know/knew him, he cant come back as Michael Jackson. MJ "died" june 25th...
I dont understand it when people say he is going to come back, but not as we know him and not as Michael Jackson.
Wth?? Whats he going to come back as then? A 4ft purple dwarf??? A flying pig? What?? :lol:
LOL a purple dwarf :')
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its an intersting read for sure... can't say i believe it but its certainly entertaining..
check this out
QUOTE (Anly- @ 26/12/2009, 23:37)Black, takes my curiosity?
Souza and Mo were the first to formulate a proper theory, the first "The Movie Theory". They knew all the information before throwing clues here and there ..... until the theory of twins who obviously had them away from the hoax.
My question is: are they too involved in the hoax? How did they know? And why throw everything to the winds with the absurd theory of the twins?
Esssere course was a clue about double .... but made that way was completely misunderstood.
this is the answer
Souza and Mo are involved in this story.
Have the role (several times) to divert the investigation not to get the truth.
In reality he has not ever removed deathoax
!!!WHAT??!! Seriously?? :shock: :shock:
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Well, if all of that is true (i'm not saying it is or not) , it would make a lot of sense... at least to me, but that's my own opinion....
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I believe in one thing! We will see him back but not as we know/knew him, he cant come back as Michael Jackson. MJ "died" june 25th...
I dont understand it when people say he is going to come back, but not as we know him and not as Michael Jackson.
Wth?? Whats he going to come back as then? A 4ft purple dwarf??? A flying pig? What?? :lol:
:lol: funny! But I do think like hennessy, the entertainer, performing and everything is "dead", we may not see him perform again, but the man, the human being in flesh and bones is not dead. We may see him, but not perform again. I'm sorry , I really don't know how to explain it :lol:
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@Wildy
i copied and pasted this straight from the forum.. hope i don't get into trouble.. :shock:
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its an intersting read for sure... can't say i believe it but its certainly entertaining..
check this out
QUOTE (Anly- @ 26/12/2009, 23:37)Black, takes my curiosity?
Souza and Mo were the first to formulate a proper theory, the first "The Movie Theory". They knew all the information before throwing clues here and there ..... until the theory of twins who obviously had them away from the hoax.
My question is: are they too involved in the hoax? How did they know? And why throw everything to the winds with the absurd theory of the twins?
Esssere course was a clue about double .... but made that way was completely misunderstood.
this is the answer
Souza and Mo are involved in this story.
Have the role (several times) to divert the investigation not to get the truth.
In reality he has not ever removed deathoax
!!!WHAT??!! Seriously?? :shock: :shock:
exactly my reaction! the movie theory was cool, but then came the twin theory, which i could never (and still can't) take seriously. but who knows if this person is legit...
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I think that these two message are very important:
1. Guys, the heart of the matter is very important.
These FBI's documents were published for a reason.
Michael is making you understand why he did this.
As i told you, Michael was seriously threatened.
Not about those threats, but these documents are used to make you open your eyes.
Is not a game nor is it a movie or a revenge on the media.
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2. Don't believe who tells you..... there's enough to know who is alive?
No I am not enough, there must be enough because you have to understand ....
be aware that we are not playing and that all this was done for love, for us.
One day when Michael himself will explain the whole story you will love him even more because he is a person capable of selfless sacrifice his life for us.
Then everything will be explained.
But do not give up, just go down because it is really worth.
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I think that these two message are very important:
1. Guys, the heart of the matter is very important.
These FBI's documents were published for a reason.
Michael is making you understand why he did this.
As i told you, Michael was seriously threatened.
Not about those threats, but these documents are used to make you open your eyes.
Is not a game nor is it a movie or a revenge on the media.
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2. Don't believe who tells you..... there's enough to know who is alive?
No I am not enough, there must be enough because you have to understand ....
be aware that we are not playing and that all this was done for love, for us.
One day when Michael himself will explain the whole story you will love him even more because he is a person capable of selfless sacrifice his life for us.
Then everything will be explained.
But do not give up, just go down because it is really worth.
:shock:
Sorry but where are these messages from?? Or from who?? :?
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Sorry but where are these messages from?? Or from who?? :?
Link of this two message:
1. http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/ ... 215&st=435 (http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/?t=44827215&st=435)
2. http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/ ... 215&st=675 (http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/?t=44827215&st=675)
She claims to be in contact with a very close source to Michael
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My first reaction-oh no, not another one! Thanks for posting but there is no way at all I can believe someone who claims to know someone who knows Michael. This is a hoax death-serious stuff and I do not think many people are in on it and I think it highly improbable, well no-I would go as far as to say impossible that anyone apart from the chosen few in on the hoax will know anything and apart from a few amateurish cock-ups will not reveal anything. How many of these claims have we had now and ask yourselves how many turned out to be genuine?
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I believe in one thing! We will see him back but not as we know/knew him, he cant come back as Michael Jackson. MJ "died" june 25th...
I dont understand it when people say he is going to come back, but not as we know him and not as Michael Jackson.
Wth?? Whats he going to come back as then? A 4ft purple dwarf??? A flying pig? What?? :lol:
:lol: Yes, he will come back as a mixture of a 4ft purple dwarf and a flying pig! Michael the purple flying pig!!! :lol: I love it! Thank you for the good laugh, I need it!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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:shock: What? :shock:
I have inhaled almost my cigarette completely
:lol: :lol:
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its an intersting read for sure... can't say i believe it but its certainly entertaining..
check this out
QUOTE (Anly- @ 26/12/2009, 23:37)Black, takes my curiosity?
Souza and Mo were the first to formulate a proper theory, the first "The Movie Theory". They knew all the information before throwing clues here and there ..... until the theory of twins who obviously had them away from the hoax.
My question is: are they too involved in the hoax? How did they know? And why throw everything to the winds with the absurd theory of the twins?
Esssere course was a clue about double .... but made that way was completely misunderstood.
this is the answer
Souza and Mo are involved in this story.
Have the role (several times) to divert the investigation not to get the truth.
In reality he has not ever removed deathoax
Say WHAT? Seriously? :o :shock: Did I read right? Souza and Mo are involved in the story(hoax). I hope I'm reading it wrong!! :? Who did you get this from? Black? Is this person legit?
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i just copied and pasted it straight from that forum.. let you make your own mind up!! crazy stuff!! :shock: :shock:
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I think that these two message are very important:
1. Guys, the heart of the matter is very important.
These FBI's documents were published for a reason.
Michael is making you understand why he did this.
As i told you, Michael was seriously threatened.
Not about those threats, but these documents are used to make you open your eyes.
Is not a game nor is it a movie or a revenge on the media.
****************************************************************************************************
2. Don't believe who tells you..... there's enough to know who is alive?
No I am not enough, there must be enough because you have to understand ....
be aware that we are not playing and that all this was done for love, for us.
One day when Michael himself will explain the whole story you will love him even more because he is a person capable of selfless sacrifice his life for us.
Then everything will be explained.
But do not give up, just go down because it is really worth.
:shock:
:shock: Where did you get this message from? Is this person legit? :?
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i just copied and pasted it straight from that forum.. let you make your own mind up!! crazy stuff!! :shock: :shock:
Yes, it is crazy stuff. It gets crazier as the days go on!! :lol: Do we beleive this person or are they playing games? :?
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Nevertheless, they also look with us :o
I have pursuit mania :shock:
These signs
[youtube:8r6x1mmm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuamcit60vo[/youtube:8r6x1mmm]
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I'm carefull about this kind of stuff since so many insiders have come and gone these months.
However some of the stuff this person wrote kind of makes sense to me, who knows at this point who is telling the truth anymore?
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i just copied and pasted it straight from that forum.. let you make your own mind up!! crazy stuff!! :shock: :shock:
Yes, it is crazy stuff. It gets crazier as the days go on!! :lol: Do we beleive this person or are they playing games? :?
to be perfectly honest i don't believe things like this.. i'm just keeping my EYES WIDE OPEN.. an its definatly an interesting read for sure.. i felt a little bit swayed cos they mentioned the FBI files coming out before we knew.. so i'm keeping a close eye on it.. :shock: *has magnifying glass out* :ugeek:
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i just copied and pasted it straight from that forum.. let you make your own mind up!! crazy stuff!! :shock: :shock:
Yes, it is crazy stuff. It gets crazier as the days go on!! :lol: Do we beleive this person or are they playing games? :?
to be perfectly honest i don't believe things like this.. i'm just keeping my EYES WIDE OPEN.. an its definatly an interesting read for sure.. i felt a little bit swayed cos they mentioned the FBI files coming out before we knew.. so i'm keeping a close eye on it.. :shock: *has magnifying glass out* :ugeek:
i agree with you. it's good to kinda keep things at least in the back of your mind. the stuff about the FBI files does sound pretty reasonable...
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arggg too much pages :lol: I'm on page 13 and i gotta say that this "blackorwhite" is intriguing and seems to know a lot !! :shock: He/she said there'll be news about Michael kids on january?!! :o I'll wait to see if it's true, then i'll believe this person !!
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He/she said there'll be news about Michael kids on january?!! :o I'll wait to see if it's true, then i'll believe this person !!
Excellent Comment! ;)
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MJ planned the commemorative celebration and flowers.... Latoyas jewellery? Who looks him there? <--- :?
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He/she said there'll be news about Michael kids on january?!! :o I'll wait to see if it's true, then i'll believe this person !!
Excellent Comment! ;)
Thanks :D I'm still reading this Italian forum. This person is saying a lot for the future so all we have to do is wait and see, I'll not make any judgement for the moment ;)
EDIT
He posted pics about Michael's "double" from this is it (he said it's not Navi)
(http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/sep2009/1/0/michael-jackson-sifr-image-1-758145603.jpg)
(http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1prWF7z4TWuIqW0ukF1kmsRNXA3z_umq3m5d87GP0D6Sv43b3ZorBUpVbd2iP8lc6_OAU_MEQ5oR7dq2umabVf1g/Senza%20titolo-4.jpg)
I'm mixed about the first one but I agree about the second !!
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MJ planned the commemorative celebration and flowers.... Latoyas jewellery? Who looks him there? <--- :?
It is not game time. If you don't believe her, simply don't read her!
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Who says I play?
Believe me I am not since June to the play on the research... :?
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- He also said that it was Michael on Halloween with Liz Taylor and the kids !!
- 911 call was recorded weeks before June 25th !!
- Michael gave his agreement for the bidding ! (not sure about the word here) :lol:
- The Ambulance picture was made days before June 25th by a friend of Michael, the original picture was Michael laying down, then his friend superpose the two pictures !(is it this paparazzi guy?). He also said that the ambulance windows was too dark to take a picture.
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And MJ was with the UCLA (but well)
And the airport barrier was real for 2 hours....
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He/she said there'll be news about Michael kids on january?!! :o I'll wait to see if it's true, then i'll believe this person !!
Excellent Comment! ;)
hmmm I think that it's nothing new, cos since I remember MJ's will should be revised or sth in January, so automatically the kids will be in the spotlight.
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i just copied and pasted it straight from that forum.. let you make your own mind up!! crazy stuff!! :shock: :shock:
Yes, it is crazy stuff. It gets crazier as the days go on!! :lol: Do we beleive this person or are they playing games? :?
to be perfectly honest i don't believe things like this.. i'm just keeping my EYES WIDE OPEN.. an its definatly an interesting read for sure.. i felt a little bit swayed cos they mentioned the FBI files coming out before we knew.. so i'm keeping a close eye on it.. :shock: *has magnifying glass out* :ugeek:
That got my attention too! :lol: I guess the only thing we can do is keep an eye on what this person says in the coming days/weeks/months and determine if she/he's telling the truth or not. :?
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I'm an italian believer that a bit of time I am following a user of this forum http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/?t=44827215 (http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/?t=44827215) whose nickname is blackorwhite.
She claims to be in contact with a very close source to Michael. Often she also anticipates the news.After reading everything posted, really beginning to believe her .... also because she is very sure of what she says...
Whay do you think about ?
help me!!!!!!!!
hithanks for postin this but I can't seem to get to the forum you all are talking About even after I log in and change the language. How do I get to all this mj stuff?
Plz help
thanks
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- He also said that it was Michael on Halloween with Liz Taylor and the kids !!
- 911 call was recorded weeks before June 25th !!
- Michael gave his agreement for the bidding ! (not sure about the word here) :lol:
- The Ambulance picture was made days before June 25th by a friend of Michael, the original picture was Michael laying down, then his friend superpose the two pictures !(is it this paparazzi guy?). He also said that the ambulance windows was too dark to take a picture.
Where is all this? I don't think the forum site is working for me. Plz help
thank you
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He/she said there'll be news about Michael kids on january?!! :o I'll wait to see if it's true, then i'll believe this person !!
Excellent Comment! ;)
Thanks :D I'm still reading this Italian forum. This person is saying a lot for the future so all we have to do is wait and see, I'll not make any judgement for the moment ;)
EDIT
He posted pics about Michael's "double" from this is it (he said it's not Navi)
(http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/sep2009/1/0/michael-jackson-sifr-image-1-758145603.jpg)
(http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1prWF7z4TWuIqW0ukF1kmsRNXA3z_umq3m5d87GP0D6Sv43b3ZorBUpVbd2iP8lc6_OAU_MEQ5oR7dq2umabVf1g/Senza%20titolo-4.jpg)
I'm mixed about the first one but I agree about the second !!
So those two are doubles? But the pics on the bottom has exact the same voice as Michael. I have the movie on my computer and I am watching that part of the bottom pic and it is really Michael's voice. so I don't think that's a double
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- He also said that it was Michael on Halloween with Liz Taylor and the kids !!
- 911 call was recorded weeks before June 25th !!
- Michael gave his agreement for the bidding ! (not sure about the word here) :lol:
- The Ambulance picture was made days before June 25th by a friend of Michael, the original picture was Michael laying down, then his friend superpose the two pictures !(is it this paparazzi guy?). He also said that the ambulance windows was too dark to take a picture.
Where is all this? I don't think the forum site is working for me. Plz help
thank you
Ok, go to google, next to the research bar you have linguistics tools (translator or something), click on that. Scroll down and paste this adress : http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/?t=44827215 (http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/?t=44827215) and you choose Italian ===> to your language ;) Hope it helps
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So those two are doubles? But the pics on the bottom has exact the same voice as Michael. I have the movie on my computer and I am watching that part of the bottom pic and it is really Michael's voice. so I don't think that's a double
that's what this person says on the forum, Michael and Kenny wanted to chose the best impersonator ever ! Same voice, same gesture and perfect appearance. He said it was not Navi or E'. That's why Michael wears the same clothes on TII except the shirt change. He said the images we can see on this movie were filmed in 2 days :shock: June 22 and 23, if I remember. Everything was under control.
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For all foreign users:
you can write your questions to blackorwhite in english. ;)
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So those two are doubles? But the pics on the bottom has exact the same voice as Michael. I have the movie on my computer and I am watching that part of the bottom pic and it is really Michael's voice. so I don't think that's a double
that's what this person says on the forum, Michael and Kenny wanted to chose the best impersonator ever ! Same voice, same gesture and perfect appearance. He said it was not Navi or E'. That's why Michael wears the same clothes on TII except the shirt change. He said the images we can see on this movie were filmed in 2 days :shock: June 22 and 23, if I remember. Everything was under control.
wow OK! I really thought that was Michael. He even removed his sunglasses :?
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well i still don't believe there where doubles.. no one can sing like mike.. not even with all the training in the world.. he's unique.. full stop.. thats my view on the doubles.. so this part i don't believe.. :roll:
unless mike comes forward an says ok guys this bit wasn't me.. then i'll believe it.. :shock:
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ahhhh well i suppose this answers our questions then.. very clever!!
like i said i don't believe stuff like this as a rule anyway.. good find Emma_Lollipop
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I agree, no one can move and sing like michael. But in the movie, they changed a lot of sreenshots you know, they went from a screenshot to another...there is not a song of the same say, of the same Michael. You don't see the impersonator during a whole song to really see if he does the exact same moves as Michael you know ... I'm sorry I don't know how to explain it. For example, the whole choregraphy of Thriller and in The way you make me feel is performed by the "real" Michael, but not the whole song. Some impersonators are really good, not as good as Michael,you can see the difference but they just have to make some little moves to show they're dancing and it works . And some, not a lot though, are good to sound like him too..
After watching the movie, my father told me "Michael didn't perfom like he used to..." I wanted to tell him that there may be impersonators but it would have sounded too far fetched for my father :lol: So I kept it to myself, I've had enough of being considered as a crazy girl since June 25th :lol:
I'm not 100% convinced there were doubles, I'm confused but it could be...
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He/she said there'll be news about Michael kids on january?!! :o I'll wait to see if it's true, then i'll believe this person !!
Excellent Comment! ;)
Thanks :D I'm still reading this Italian forum. This person is saying a lot for the future so all we have to do is wait and see, I'll not make any judgement for the moment ;)
EDIT
He posted pics about Michael's "double" from this is it (he said it's not Navi)
(http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/sep2009/1/0/michael-jackson-sifr-image-1-758145603.jpg)
(http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1prWF7z4TWuIqW0ukF1kmsRNXA3z_umq3m5d87GP0D6Sv43b3ZorBUpVbd2iP8lc6_OAU_MEQ5oR7dq2umabVf1g/Senza%20titolo-4.jpg)
I'm mixed about the first one but I agree about the second !!
I think it's him on the second pic. Is the person saying it's a double? The first pic, I think could be a double. Oh, I'm getting confused, but I'll read the Italian forum to see what I find.
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they said that only in these pictures was it the fake Michael.. i miss read that 2.. i thought they meant in general orange pants an drill Mike were fake.. but they said only in these 2 pictures.. which i disagree with.. and always will.. until i'm proven wrong by Michael himself.. :)
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yeah I think the second one is def Mike. Because when I watch TII on my computer, and I see that part of him looking at earth song girl, I really think it is Mike. He even removes his sunglasses :)
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He posted pics about Michael's "double" from this is it (he said it's not Navi)
(http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/sep2009/1/0/michael-jackson-sifr-image-1-758145603.jpg)
(http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1prWF7z4TWuIqW0ukF1kmsRNXA3z_umq3m5d87GP0D6Sv43b3ZorBUpVbd2iP8lc6_OAU_MEQ5oR7dq2umabVf1g/Senza%20titolo-4.jpg)
I'm mixed about the first one but I agree about the second !!
So those two are doubles? But the pics on the bottom has exact the same voice as Michael. I have the movie on my computer and I am watching that part of the bottom pic and it is really Michael's voice. so I don't think that's a double[/quote]
well, in my opinion, this MJ chewing gum, shooting the drill scenes - for me it is definitely Michael Jackson... Shame, without those news about dubs I'd believe in what you're writing here...
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This things you can also read if you go to Derek Clontz and Cassandra.I think or Cassandra is really in contact with him or somone is really messing around with us!!
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I think this both is MJ....
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So those two are doubles? But the pics on the bottom has exact the same voice as Michael. I have the movie on my computer and I am watching that part of the bottom pic and it is really Michael's voice. so I don't think that's a double
that's what this person says on the forum, Michael and Kenny wanted to chose the best impersonator ever ! Same voice, same gesture and perfect appearance. He said it was not Navi or E'. That's why Michael wears the same clothes on TII except the shirt change. He said the images we can see on this movie were filmed in 2 days :shock: June 22 and 23, if I remember. Everything was under control.
Where in the world could they find someone who acts the exact same as Michael, walk like him, talk like him, looks like him, dance like him, smile like him and so on and on...It's just impossible.
I don't think there were any doubles in TII. Why would they have to use them anyway?? :|
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So those two are doubles? But the pics on the bottom has exact the same voice as Michael. I have the movie on my computer and I am watching that part of the bottom pic and it is really Michael's voice. so I don't think that's a double
that's what this person says on the forum, Michael and Kenny wanted to chose the best impersonator ever ! Same voice, same gesture and perfect appearance. He said it was not Navi or E'. That's why Michael wears the same clothes on TII except the shirt change. He said the images we can see on this movie were filmed in 2 days :shock: June 22 and 23, if I remember. Everything was under control.
Where in the world could they find someone who acts the exact same as Michael, walk like him, talk like him, looks like him, dance like him, smile like him and so on and on...It's just impossible.
I don't think there were any doubles in TII. Why would they have to use them anyway?? :|
I agree!
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O my god could it be an hologram in this is it?
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He/she said there'll be news about Michael kids on january?!! :o I'll wait to see if it's true, then i'll believe this person !!
Excellent Comment! ;)
hmmm I think that it's nothing new, cos since I remember MJ's will should be revised or sth in January, so automatically the kids will be in the spotlight.
the kids will continue to go to karate class
on 4th of january they'll be back to the classes
so its not a really big news.i knew this maybe before she did and i could have been posting the "news" here
i dont believe her
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i'm just reading up on BlackorWhite and the latest thing they have come up with is being threatened so they can say no more for now.. quote
no cases dell'hoax are really very serious.
We have been threatened or real, but very big ... I'd better stop here.
does this sound familiar!!!! without mentioning by WHO!! :shock: :shock:
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but then how come "they" are still posting after being threatened :?: :?: :?:
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but then how come "they" are still posting after being threatened :?: :?: :?:
EXACTLY!!! :? :? :roll: :roll:
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but then how come "they" are still posting after being threatened :?: :?: :?:
EXACTLY!!! :? :? :roll: :roll:
:shock: Weird... :? What would be interesting is what was the kind of threat. If it is that really serious,dangerous and they were threatened for their life, they wouldn't be posting indeed...
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Update from this italian forum !!!!
Blackorwhite said it's Michael on this video?!! :shock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRFU_hj6cM8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRFU_hj6cM8)
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He said Michael was on this white car at the beginning of the video !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys158FV9-Jk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys158FV9-Jk)
if you look the white car came (really fast tho,lol), stay 1 or 2 minutes and left !! weird !!
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Don't know about the first one, i don't know, too easy to be true lol Why would he walk around right in front of the window , and without one single curtain? :?
And about the second... I remember watching the live and this car caught my eye because it was the only one white . I wanted to see who it was but of course, the portal closed and I was disappointed lol. If it's really michael in it, i would feel silly... :lol:
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there were doubles in the TII movie...hince the red bracelet he always wears on his left wrist...they have pictures of him with that bracelet years back...all the way to court lol and in TII you see some scenes with MJ not haveing the red bracelet and other scenes with the bracelet on lol...the key is to always look for the left wrist and see the red bracelet lol especially when looking for doubles :) ;)
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Sorry but where are these messages from?? Or from who?? :?
And why does that person write them on an italian site? Is s/he italian? Phewww how many people did we have who have a connection with Michael? I'm lost with the numbers lol
There will be news about MJ's kids in January? Really? There're news always about the kids so is this going to be a proof for you guys that this person is telling the truth? Hmmm to me, it's not.
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I don't know if this person is actually telling the truth, but I'm keeping my eyes and my mind wide open. I will believe it when one of the things she announces come true.
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HI all!!
but what it costs us to follow her(BlackorWhite)??wait and see if She tells the truth!!
WE JUST HAVE PATIENCE!! :D
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- He also said that it was Michael on Halloween with Liz Taylor and the kids !!
- 911 call was recorded weeks before June 25th !!
- Michael gave his agreement for the bidding ! (not sure about the word here) :lol:
- The Ambulance picture was made days before June 25th by a friend of Michael, the original picture was Michael laying down, then his friend superpose the two pictures !(is it this paparazzi guy?). He also said that the ambulance windows was too dark to take a picture.
Where is all this? I don't think the forum site is working for me. Plz help
thank you
Ok, go to google, next to the research bar you have linguistics tools (translator or something), click on that. Scroll down and paste this adress : http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/?t=44827215 (http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/?t=44827215) and you choose Italian ===> to your language ;) Hope it helps
It did. Thank you very much :)
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i dont believe this one...of course the children will be in the news in january because that is when the whole will revoking thing is going to go down lol
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I for one really enjoyed this post from Italy. Almost everything on the web since June 25, may or may not be true, so I take everything like that. My favorite part was that since the FBI are involved investigating the many times MJ has been victumized there will be no charges against Michael for hoaxing his death, not illegal. That's always been the major stumbling block for many people to not believe he could come back. Secondly that Michael may have been reading much of all our posts. The world feels a lot smaller now. So glad to hear he's doing well health wise and that he's seeing his kids. I'm sad that DD wasn't Michael but now that I think about it, I think we were expecting MJ to be in about 5 places at any given time. LOL! This post from Italy and the TIAI reveal dovetailed nicely together IMO. Great adventure MJ! More like a rollercoaster...love it!
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Well, he sounds a bit like Maura.. Maybe she should not be banned.
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I am Italian but I'm not on that forum; Why A person close to Michael choose to write in an Italian forum? Is he Italian? Who is he? I don't trust him/her.
Souza and Mo in the hoax?? Come on people!!!!
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yeah I think if you know more then others and you are not allowed to tell it, don't put it on a forum.
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From what I read she didn't really say anything new, I could have written all those stuff afgter all this months of investigation ;)
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I am Italian but I'm not on that forum; Why A person close to Michael choose to write in an Italian forum? Is he Italian? Who is he? I don't trust him/her.
Souza and Mo in the hoax?? Come on people!!!!
She is not the person close to Michael, but she says her source.
she is a journalist....could also tell the truth :?
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Everything is possible; I try to keep an opne mind, but really, she didn't say anything new or shocking. I could have written the same stuff in a jiff ;)
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with the white car video WHY was no paparazzi flashing away at the windows.. I'm sure they'd have got a good shot as they do through tinted windows.. and i don't believe out of respect cos we know they obviously have none!!
REMEMBER THE AMBULANCE PIC :shock: :shock:
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WHAT DO TOU THINK THIS IS?????????
I SEE O2 MICHAEL ON THEIR SCREENS.. WHAT ARE THEY DOING!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
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photoshopping :?: maybe :?:... wierd
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photoshopping :?: maybe :?:... wierd
ooooo YES to stare the confusion is it Mike or an impersonator!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
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WHAT DO TOU THINK THIS IS?????????
I SEE O2 MICHAEL ON THEIR SCREENS.. WHAT ARE THEY DOING!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
who are they? where was the pic taken?
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WHAT DO TOU THINK THIS IS?????????
I SEE O2 MICHAEL ON THEIR SCREENS.. WHAT ARE THEY DOING!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
who are they? where was the pic taken?
somebody posted it on the other forum saying its from TII and ask's blackorwhite what its about.. but they never got back to them cos B or W has gone away for a few day.. apparently :roll:
intersting tho isn't it!! :shock: :shock:
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BlackorWhite write: "I WILL MISS FROM THIS FORUM FOR A FEW DAYS, BECAUSE WAS ASKED ME TO LEAVE .... LEAVE MY JOB, EVEN IF I DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY AND TO GO ....
THE POINT IS THAT I HAD TO OPEN YOUR EYES, TELL YOU THE TRUTH, MICHAEL IS ALIVE AND COME BACK, BUT I CAN NOT REVEAL ANOTHER, HIS LIFE IS AT STAKE... IT'S NOT A GAME AS I HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY.
YOU SOON BOYS
SHAMONE." :?
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BlackorWhite write: "I WILL MISS FROM THIS FORUM FOR A FEW DAYS, BECAUSE WAS ASKED ME TO LEAVE .... LEAVE MY JOB, EVEN IF I DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY AND TO GO ....
THE POINT IS THAT I HAD TO OPEN YOUR EYES, TELL YOU THE TRUTH, MICHAEL IS ALIVE AND COME BACK, BUT I CAN NOT REVEAL ANOTHER, HIS LIFE IS AT STAKE... IT'S NOT A GAME AS I HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY.
YOU SOON BOYS
SHAMONE." :?
well, I think he is telling the truth.
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@ Eva.R
I hope it of the whole heart!
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yeah, we just have to wait till he is coming back with news ;)
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We do Yes this maybe he really says what the true
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BlackorWhite write: "I WILL MISS FROM THIS FORUM FOR A FEW DAYS, BECAUSE WAS ASKED ME TO LEAVE .... LEAVE MY JOB, EVEN IF I DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY AND TO GO ....
THE POINT IS THAT I HAD TO OPEN YOUR EYES, TELL YOU THE TRUTH, MICHAEL IS ALIVE AND COME BACK, BUT I CAN NOT REVEAL ANOTHER, HIS LIFE IS AT STAKE... IT'S NOT A GAME AS I HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY.
YOU SOON BOYS
SHAMONE." :?
well, I think he is telling the truth.
so do i...so do i
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WHAT DO TOU THINK THIS IS?????????
I SEE O2 MICHAEL ON THEIR SCREENS.. WHAT ARE THEY DOING!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
either photoshopping or working for MJ in creating accounts to post clues on forums or twitter/fb???
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I have seen TII 4 sometimes in the cinema ....... I know the picture at the beginning of the film one sees it :!:
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They have the picture only from the film
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My opinion: I saw TII 3 times at cinema and twice on pc, and I am a real fan from a lot of time, I am sure that there are no doubles at all in TII, only the one for the stunt scene at Smooth Criminal.
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My opinion: I saw TII 3 times at cinema and twice on pc, and I am a real fan from a lot of time, I am sure that there are no doubles at all in TII, only the one for the stunt scene at Smooth Criminal.
I think that too :)
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Yes only for Smooth Criminal ;)
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Don't know about the first one, i don't know, too easy to be true lol Why would he walk around right in front of the window , and without one single curtain? :?
And about the second... I remember watching the live and this car caught my eye because it was the only one white . I wanted to see who it was but of course, the portal closed and I was disappointed lol. If it's really michael in it, i would feel silly... :lol:
why would he walk around without a curtain if he is suppose to be dead who is gonna believe it is him very smart ;)
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I think it is all true we have to be carefull and patient the only thing I find hard is michael not seeing his children I can't see michael leaving his children not unles it was for their safety we have to be patient folks and see what michael wants to do next
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I think we simply wait....
In it we already have the best practise ;)
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WHAT DO TOU THINK THIS IS?????????
I SEE O2 MICHAEL ON THEIR SCREENS.. WHAT ARE THEY DOING!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
who are they? where was the pic taken?
This picture was taken by a Russian Hacker.
User Russian says that this scene will be in This is it DVD or Blue Ray
Photoshop? :shock:
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i've read a few posts where people are saying it was at the beginning of the movie.. must only be the dvd version cos i didn't see it on the movie.. i've seen it 3 times on cinema and 3 times on here..
unless i just miss it.. :shock:
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I think he's telling the truth too but we need to wait to see if it's true :roll:
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Maybe I'm wrong(I hope I'm wrong) but after all the trolls, I no longer believe in these people;
plus she's a journalist ( no offense to the serious journalists) and this for me speaks volumes :roll:
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There are many thread about this...
BlackorWhite is come back and she write a long message.
This is the link: http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/?t=45171322 (http://michaeljacksongold.forumfree.it/?t=45171322)
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BlackorWhite write: "I WILL MISS FROM THIS FORUM FOR A FEW DAYS, BECAUSE WAS ASKED ME TO LEAVE .... LEAVE MY JOB, EVEN IF I DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY AND TO GO ....
THE POINT IS THAT I HAD TO OPEN YOUR EYES, TELL YOU THE TRUTH, MICHAEL IS ALIVE AND COME BACK, BUT I CAN NOT REVEAL ANOTHER, HIS LIFE IS AT STAKE... IT'S NOT A GAME AS I HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY.
YOU SOON BOYS
SHAMONE." :?
well, I think he is telling the truth.
This is the story I want to believe in. And I hope this one is true with all my heart :)
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I think that these two message are very important:
1. Guys, the heart of the matter is very important.
These FBI's documents were published for a reason.
Michael is making you understand why he did this.
As i told you, Michael was seriously threatened.
Not about those threats, but these documents are used to make you open your eyes.
Is not a game nor is it a movie or a revenge on the media.
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2. Don't believe who tells you..... there's enough to know who is alive?
No I am not enough, there must be enough because you have to understand ....
be aware that we are not playing and that all this was done for love, for us.
One day when Michael himself will explain the whole story you will love him even more because he is a person capable of selfless sacrifice his life for us.
Then everything will be explained.
But do not give up, just go down because it is really worth.
:shock:
I totally agree. I think he hoaxed because he HAD to and not because he WANTED to. I believe in my heart that he was in danger. I don't know if you remember the story told by one of the dancers about Michael coming to rehearsal with his body guards 3 days prior to his death. The body guards remained the duration and left with Michael. They spoke briefly with Michael, Ortega and the other guy, I forget his name, but at any rate it was a tension present that day. It is also stated that most of what is seen in This Is It is what resulted during those last 3 days. I feel strongly, and this is my feelings not asking anyone to concur, but I believe that what ever transpired causing Michael to come to rehearsal with his body guards in tow on that day, the discussion that ensued with Michael and Kenny, is what prompted the footage for the movie This Is It. I do not believe This Is It happed by chance. Something went down that was of an urgent threatening nature, and they had to move Michael fast. Some kind of alarming situation had to take place to get the attention off of Michael's real movement. What better to stop the world than a shocking event such as King of Pop suffers cardiac arrest. While the world is focusing on the scene and all the upheaval, Michael was free to get out of town unnoticed. Thus all the obvious erroneous reports, documents, etc. They really did not have time to get it 100% down, so they just go with the flow. Errors and all.
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I do believe that there are people who know some of the facts of what happened who are trying to keep it down winded for what ever reason. I don't know if it is to buy more time or if they are trying to keep the truth from coming out too soon. But you can feel it. Somebody on some of these forums know something, thus, will fight you tooth and nail when possibly something too close for comfort is being discussed to circumvent the discussion.
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Like Janet said, "to you he was an icon. To us, he is family". So true. Then how is it that we are still mourning and sad and many still crying and they are living life as usual? When you lose a beloved family member, especially under suspicious circumstances, yes you go on, but it is one day at a time. You don't think about reality shows and concerts and things of that nature, and do it with a big ole grin on your face. It just doesn't fit the norm.
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Like Janet said, "to you he was an icon. To us, he is family". So true. Then how is it that we are still mourning and sad and many still crying and they are living life as usual? When you lose a beloved family member, especially under suspicious circumstances, yes you go on, but it is one day at a time. You don't think about reality shows and concerts and things of that nature, and do it with a big ole grin on your face. It just doesn't fit the norm.
i have to agree on this
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What it says to me is that they are so relieved that he is finally "safe" ;)
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Amen to that!
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Mostly everything in this thread you guys wrote in this thread is well said and well thought.
There is one thing that crossed my mind that was not mentionned by anyone. What if maybe it is time now for some of the truth to be coming out? To slowly prepare the comeback, I for one never really believed Michael would comeback but who knows. :?
About the family who knows, they could be pretending in public. They are all used to public attention and appearances so they could be good at not letting the personal life stuff be seen by all. There are a gazillion possibilities and I think we should give all of them so thought before deciding wether to dissmiss it or believe it.
I am curious about this black or white person, I have not went to the link to read yet, I read everything posted here first. So now I will go read, perhaps my opinion will change!?! ;)
Thank you for posting this link.
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I think that these two message are very important:
1. Guys, the heart of the matter is very important.
These FBI's documents were published for a reason.
Michael is making you understand why he did this.
As i told you, Michael was seriously threatened.
Not about those threats, but these documents are used to make you open your eyes.
Is not a game nor is it a movie or a revenge on the media.
****************************************************************************************************
2. Don't believe who tells you..... there's enough to know who is alive?
No I am not enough, there must be enough because you have to understand ....
be aware that we are not playing and that all this was done for love, for us.
One day when Michael himself will explain the whole story you will love him even more because he is a person capable of selfless sacrifice his life for us.
Then everything will be explained.
But do not give up, just go down because it is really worth.
:shock:
I totally agree. I think he hoaxed because he HAD to and not because he WANTED to. I believe in my heart that he was in danger. I don't know if you remember the story told by one of the dancers about Michael coming to rehearsal with his body guards 3 days prior to his death. The body guards remained the duration and left with Michael. They spoke briefly with Michael, Ortega and the other guy, I forget his name, but at any rate it was a tension present that day. It is also stated that most of what is seen in This Is It is what resulted during those last 3 days. I feel strongly, and this is my feelings not asking anyone to concur, but I believe that what ever transpired causing Michael to come to rehearsal with his body guards in tow on that day, the discussion that ensued with Michael and Kenny, is what prompted the footage for the movie This Is It. I do not believe This Is It happed by chance. Something went down that was of an urgent threatening nature, and they had to move Michael fast. Some kind of alarming situation had to take place to get the attention off of Michael's real movement. What better to stop the world than a shocking event such as King of Pop suffers cardiac arrest. While the world is focusing on the scene and all the upheaval, Michael was free to get out of town unnoticed. Thus all the obvious erroneous reports, documents, etc. They really did not have time to get it 100% down, so they just go with the flow. Errors and all.
I went back to find the information I made reference to from one of the This Is It dancers. Here it is. Source: KINGOFPOP BOARD
The Real "This Is It"
My Conversation With Someone Who Was There
This from KOP board, posted by MRfuture, I cant say if it is 100% true, but what the guy says make alot of sense. I always felt the shows were being rushed, they should have announced the shows at least one month earlier for preparations and stuff.... NOTHING was ready, and they were supposed to leave for London in 8 days. I cant even begin to understand the pressure that was on Michael....
http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/inde...=#entry1229658 (http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/inde...=#entry1229658)
Yeasterday I had the amazing chance to speak to someone who worked on This Is It. This person has worked with Michael in the past, I've seen him before on TV close to Michael, and I also saw him in the movie and his name appears at the end. He is here in Miami on vacation with family and a good friend of mine knows him. I begged him to let me meet him and he was the sweetest person, and he loved Michael.
He gave me the ok to share with you what he told me, however with the condition that I would name provide his name. He is under contract with AEG/Sony and is only allowed to officially talk good about the movie and the concert. As he told me "hey, I also gotta pay my bills, so I have to do what they say."
However, at the same time he told me to "share with fans what I said, because it is important that some things are known."
He has great respect and admiration for Michael and has known him for over 20 years.
Here's the most important things he told me:
- Michael has always been a very sweet, humble person, since the first time they met 20 years ago, however he noticed that during these reharsals, he looked even more humble than usual, to the point that he actually felt Michael was incredibly insecure this time around, he saw him very vulnerable and everyone automatically tried to make him feel ok, everyone wanted to bring the spark in him that old Michael Jackson had. According to this person a combination of the 2005 trial and the long absence from the spotlight made Michael feel very insecure.
-Michael did not get along at all with Randy Phillips. Everyone knew it, even Phillips knew it. Phillips had a very arrogant way of dealing with Michael, he was terrified that Michael would not get ready for the shows and AEG would lose a lot of money. According to this person, Phillips made it clear to several people that these concerts had to happen, no matter what, because he "had to personally convince everyone at AEG that this was a good deal" therefore his job was at risk if anything went wrong. On many occasions Phillips would go to Michael's house with Ortega and Travis Payne whenever Michael would not show up. At times they would come back with him, at times no. The official explanations to the crew was "Michael is not feeling well today," "Michael reharsed at home" or "Michael is reharsing with his vocal coach."
At first the crew believed it, but after a few weeks everyone started realizing something was up because even though Ortega and Payne would say everything was fine, it was obvious that they were very frustrated and nervous, and there were several heated discussions between Ortega, Phillips and Payne, but what exactly was being discussed was not clear since they always ade sure they would be far enough for anyone to hear. During these conversations one of them would always be on a cellphone, and then the would pass it aroud to themselves. This person believes they were talking to Michael.
-Michael, and this is shown in the movie, did not want to wear the ear monitors. As this person told me, "look at any footage from Michael in concerts in the past, and you will never find him wearing ear monitors, he did not like them, did not need them." According to him, Ortega got upset at one time at Michael, and in front of everyone told him "you have to undrstand that here you do not have an option, you have to wear them, this is going to be a closed arena, not an open stadium, and the sound is different." He said his tone was very nasty and everyone was shocked, especially since Michael looked very upset, but mostly hurt, by it.
Interestingly, yesterday Karen Faye wrote on her facebook that Michael always complained to her that he did not like ear monitors, and asked her to tell Ortega. According to her, she did and Ortega told her "well, he has to wear them!"
-This is very interesting. According to this person, there was absolutely no way the concert was going to be ready for opening night on July 13th, and everyone kenw it. He asked me the following "when you saw the movie, you do realize right that they had to show the best scenes, the best performances, right ?" I said "yes, of course" to which he replied "so do you realize that what you have seen, most of it came from June 24th, 23rd and 22nd ? Based on what you saw, did it feel as if everything was going to be ready in 2 weeks ?" He said that Michael did not have his clothes ready, and that there was "pathetic" @#$%$ing around from different stylists that were trying to come up with ideas. But nothing was ready, no clothes, not even for the dancers. Michael wanted Michael Bush, but Travis Payne brought in that Zaldy guy, and AEG was behind Zaldy, rather than Michael Bush.
The opening number for the concert was only done on the computer, just like we saw in the movie. It was never reharsed, and the robot that Michael would have come out from was not ever ready. Also the closing of the show was just a concept.
He also confirmed that they never had a full reharsal. In other words, they never practiced the whole concert, it would always be a few songs on several days, but it was never put all together, therefore they were laso very concerned that once everything was gonna put together, it would take much longer that the 2 hours orgnally planned. This was going to be a huge problem for AEG and the O2 arena, because of an agreement they had with time. Also, Michael did not want to have long shows, for obvious reasons.
Also, they never reharsed with implementing the videos for Smooth, Thriller and Earth as we saw in the movie, those were edited in the movie, but they never reharsed using them, and it was still unclear how they would be used with the songs, especially Smooth Criminal.
-For the most part, Michael looked well, however this person did unfortunately confirm to me that there were days that something was "wrong" and everybody knew it. He worked with Michael in the past and Michael never wore sunglasses while reharsing the dark like that, especially since Michael in the past would always want to see how the lights looked and for that reason did not like using shades. But he said "don't expect them to talk about it on tv of course, same with me, I won't and I can't." He said that at first everybody thought Michael was just eccentric and stuff, especially the dancers, they were just excited to see him, but he said for those who knew him for many years, including him, started realizing alarming signs.
However, he said, this just shows how vulnerable Michael was and he does not like how people associate this behavior with something negative. He said "he went through so much poor thing, I perfectly understand why this was happening." Oh and btw, he said that some of the crew members started checking TMZ with their IPHONES to find out whether or not Michael had seen Dr. Klein during the day. It would usually warn them on what to expect when he showed up.
-Michael had fun when performing, it appeared as if it was what he needed, however off stage Michael did no look happy, he rarely interacted with the crew, other than Karen Faye and at times with Michael Bush. According to this person, Michael stayed as far as he could from Ortega, Payne and Phillips off stage, because he always felt he was being chased by them to do more, perform more and give more. He said that the crew in general felt Ortega was being too demanding, especially when it was obvious nothing was ready on time. But they mostly felt Ortega was being pressured by Phillips, and that it was Phillips who was just going crazy because was in a position of losing everything with these shows.
-The day after the news came out that some fans claimed Michael told them he did not want to do 50 concerts, everyone was instructed not to talk to anybody from the media, not to let in anyone who was not authorized to attend reahrsals, especially fans. When Michael came in that day, the atmosphere was tense and he did not look happy at all. Before working that day, Phillips and Ortega met with Michael and, interestingly, with his bodyguards. They spoke for about 20 minutes, but once again this person could not hear what was being said. However everyone had the feeling Michael indeed did not want to do 50 shows and believed Michael did talk to those fans.
This is pretty much it. This guy said that it is a shame that Michael died while being extremely stressed out. He said that a lot of pressure was put on Michael, but the truth is that the concerts were not going to be ready not because of him, but because the there was simply not enough time to acocmplish all they had planned. He said he is sure Michael would have been 100% ready by July 13th, because "he did those songs hundreds of times before during his career, he knew exaclty what to do" but everything else around was not ready.
He also says he personally felt Michael sometimes did not show up because he knew things were moving slowly and sort of felt disappointed. He was a perfectionist, and when things were obviosuly not going in the right direction, he would get frustrated and sort of lose interest, instead of becoming upset at someone. Yet they made him believe it was him, that things were moving slowly because of him. But this person told me that Michael had nothing to do with all the technical stuff, like lightings, fireworks etc, therefore it was not his fault, but he was the easy target.
According to him, if the concerts were not goint to be ready, it would have been easier for AEG to blame it on Michael, than blame themsleves and their lack of timing skills.
Once again, do not ask me for his name, I will never tell, not even via PM. He was brutally honest with me and I will honor his request.
A lot of things make sense now, especially the concerts not being ready based on what we saw in the movie. No way in two weeks they were going to be ready. Also, he said, don't forget that a lot of days would have been lost during the move to London and setting up the stage there and get adjusted to the arena.
This is very sad, especially to think that Michael was somehow made feel responsible for this.
Source : Mrfuture@Kop Board
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that was certainly an interesting read!! :shock: :shock:
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There is another article I though I had out in my archives, however, I can't seem to locate it. I will keep searching.
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I think that these two message are very important:
1. Guys, the heart of the matter is very important.
These FBI's documents were published for a reason.
Michael is making you understand why he did this.
As i told you, Michael was seriously threatened.
Not about those threats, but these documents are used to make you open your eyes.
Is not a game nor is it a movie or a revenge on the media.
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2. Don't believe who tells you..... there's enough to know who is alive?
No I am not enough, there must be enough because you have to understand ....
be aware that we are not playing and that all this was done for love, for us.
One day when Michael himself will explain the whole story you will love him even more because he is a person capable of selfless sacrifice his life for us.
Then everything will be explained.
But do not give up, just go down because it is really worth.
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I totally agree. I think he hoaxed because he HAD to and not because he WANTED to. I believe in my heart that he was in danger. I don't know if you remember the story told by one of the dancers about Michael coming to rehearsal with his body guards 3 days prior to his death. The body guards remained the duration and left with Michael. They spoke briefly with Michael, Ortega and the other guy, I forget his name, but at any rate it was a tension present that day. It is also stated that most of what is seen in This Is It is what resulted during those last 3 days. I feel strongly, and this is my feelings not asking anyone to concur, but I believe that what ever transpired causing Michael to come to rehearsal with his body guards in tow on that day, the discussion that ensued with Michael and Kenny, is what prompted the footage for the movie This Is It. I do not believe This Is It happed by chance. Something went down that was of an urgent threatening nature, and they had to move Michael fast. Some kind of alarming situation had to take place to get the attention off of Michael's real movement. What better to stop the world than a shocking event such as King of Pop suffers cardiac arrest. While the world is focusing on the scene and all the upheaval, Michael was free to get out of town unnoticed. Thus all the obvious erroneous reports, documents, etc. They really did not have time to get it 100% down, so they just go with the flow. Errors and all.
I went back to find the information I made reference to from one of the This Is It dancers. Here it is. Source: KINGOFPOP BOARD
The Real "This Is It"
My Conversation With Someone Who Was There
This from KOP board, posted by MRfuture, I cant say if it is 100% true, but what the guy says make alot of sense. I always felt the shows were being rushed, they should have announced the shows at least one month earlier for preparations and stuff.... NOTHING was ready, and they were supposed to leave for London in 8 days. I cant even begin to understand the pressure that was on Michael....
http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/inde...=#entry1229658 (http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/inde...=#entry1229658)
Yeasterday I had the amazing chance to speak to someone who worked on This Is It. This person has worked with Michael in the past, I've seen him before on TV close to Michael, and I also saw him in the movie and his name appears at the end. He is here in Miami on vacation with family and a good friend of mine knows him. I begged him to let me meet him and he was the sweetest person, and he loved Michael.
He gave me the ok to share with you what he told me, however with the condition that I would name provide his name. He is under contract with AEG/Sony and is only allowed to officially talk good about the movie and the concert. As he told me "hey, I also gotta pay my bills, so I have to do what they say."
However, at the same time he told me to "share with fans what I said, because it is important that some things are known."
He has great respect and admiration for Michael and has known him for over 20 years.
Here's the most important things he told me:
- Michael has always been a very sweet, humble person, since the first time they met 20 years ago, however he noticed that during these reharsals, he looked even more humble than usual, to the point that he actually felt Michael was incredibly insecure this time around, he saw him very vulnerable and everyone automatically tried to make him feel ok, everyone wanted to bring the spark in him that old Michael Jackson had. According to this person a combination of the 2005 trial and the long absence from the spotlight made Michael feel very insecure.
-Michael did not get along at all with Randy Phillips. Everyone knew it, even Phillips knew it. Phillips had a very arrogant way of dealing with Michael, he was terrified that Michael would not get ready for the shows and AEG would lose a lot of money. According to this person, Phillips made it clear to several people that these concerts had to happen, no matter what, because he "had to personally convince everyone at AEG that this was a good deal" therefore his job was at risk if anything went wrong. On many occasions Phillips would go to Michael's house with Ortega and Travis Payne whenever Michael would not show up. At times they would come back with him, at times no. The official explanations to the crew was "Michael is not feeling well today," "Michael reharsed at home" or "Michael is reharsing with his vocal coach."
At first the crew believed it, but after a few weeks everyone started realizing something was up because even though Ortega and Payne would say everything was fine, it was obvious that they were very frustrated and nervous, and there were several heated discussions between Ortega, Phillips and Payne, but what exactly was being discussed was not clear since they always ade sure they would be far enough for anyone to hear. During these conversations one of them would always be on a cellphone, and then the would pass it aroud to themselves. This person believes they were talking to Michael.
-Michael, and this is shown in the movie, did not want to wear the ear monitors. As this person told me, "look at any footage from Michael in concerts in the past, and you will never find him wearing ear monitors, he did not like them, did not need them." According to him, Ortega got upset at one time at Michael, and in front of everyone told him "you have to undrstand that here you do not have an option, you have to wear them, this is going to be a closed arena, not an open stadium, and the sound is different." He said his tone was very nasty and everyone was shocked, especially since Michael looked very upset, but mostly hurt, by it.
Interestingly, yesterday Karen Faye wrote on her facebook that Michael always complained to her that he did not like ear monitors, and asked her to tell Ortega. According to her, she did and Ortega told her "well, he has to wear them!"
-This is very interesting. According to this person, there was absolutely no way the concert was going to be ready for opening night on July 13th, and everyone kenw it. He asked me the following "when you saw the movie, you do realize right that they had to show the best scenes, the best performances, right ?" I said "yes, of course" to which he replied "so do you realize that what you have seen, most of it came from June 24th, 23rd and 22nd ? Based on what you saw, did it feel as if everything was going to be ready in 2 weeks ?" He said that Michael did not have his clothes ready, and that there was "pathetic" @#$%$ing around from different stylists that were trying to come up with ideas. But nothing was ready, no clothes, not even for the dancers. Michael wanted Michael Bush, but Travis Payne brought in that Zaldy guy, and AEG was behind Zaldy, rather than Michael Bush.
The opening number for the concert was only done on the computer, just like we saw in the movie. It was never reharsed, and the robot that Michael would have come out from was not ever ready. Also the closing of the show was just a concept.
He also confirmed that they never had a full reharsal. In other words, they never practiced the whole concert, it would always be a few songs on several days, but it was never put all together, therefore they were laso very concerned that once everything was gonna put together, it would take much longer that the 2 hours orgnally planned. This was going to be a huge problem for AEG and the O2 arena, because of an agreement they had with time. Also, Michael did not want to have long shows, for obvious reasons.
Also, they never reharsed with implementing the videos for Smooth, Thriller and Earth as we saw in the movie, those were edited in the movie, but they never reharsed using them, and it was still unclear how they would be used with the songs, especially Smooth Criminal.
-For the most part, Michael looked well, however this person did unfortunately confirm to me that there were days that something was "wrong" and everybody knew it. He worked with Michael in the past and Michael never wore sunglasses while reharsing the dark like that, especially since Michael in the past would always want to see how the lights looked and for that reason did not like using shades. But he said "don't expect them to talk about it on tv of course, same with me, I won't and I can't." He said that at first everybody thought Michael was just eccentric and stuff, especially the dancers, they were just excited to see him, but he said for those who knew him for many years, including him, started realizing alarming signs.
However, he said, this just shows how vulnerable Michael was and he does not like how people associate this behavior with something negative. He said "he went through so much poor thing, I perfectly understand why this was happening." Oh and btw, he said that some of the crew members started checking TMZ with their IPHONES to find out whether or not Michael had seen Dr. Klein during the day. It would usually warn them on what to expect when he showed up.
-Michael had fun when performing, it appeared as if it was what he needed, however off stage Michael did no look happy, he rarely interacted with the crew, other than Karen Faye and at times with Michael Bush. According to this person, Michael stayed as far as he could from Ortega, Payne and Phillips off stage, because he always felt he was being chased by them to do more, perform more and give more. He said that the crew in general felt Ortega was being too demanding, especially when it was obvious nothing was ready on time. But they mostly felt Ortega was being pressured by Phillips, and that it was Phillips who was just going crazy because was in a position of losing everything with these shows.
-The day after the news came out that some fans claimed Michael told them he did not want to do 50 concerts, everyone was instructed not to talk to anybody from the media, not to let in anyone who was not authorized to attend reahrsals, especially fans. When Michael came in that day, the atmosphere was tense and he did not look happy at all. Before working that day, Phillips and Ortega met with Michael and, interestingly, with his bodyguards. They spoke for about 20 minutes, but once again this person could not hear what was being said. However everyone had the feeling Michael indeed did not want to do 50 shows and believed Michael did talk to those fans.
This is pretty much it. This guy said that it is a shame that Michael died while being extremely stressed out. He said that a lot of pressure was put on Michael, but the truth is that the concerts were not going to be ready not because of him, but because the there was simply not enough time to acocmplish all they had planned. He said he is sure Michael would have been 100% ready by July 13th, because "he did those songs hundreds of times before during his career, he knew exaclty what to do" but everything else around was not ready.
He also says he personally felt Michael sometimes did not show up because he knew things were moving slowly and sort of felt disappointed. He was a perfectionist, and when things were obviosuly not going in the right direction, he would get frustrated and sort of lose interest, instead of becoming upset at someone. Yet they made him believe it was him, that things were moving slowly because of him. But this person told me that Michael had nothing to do with all the technical stuff, like lightings, fireworks etc, therefore it was not his fault, but he was the easy target.
According to him, if the concerts were not goint to be ready, it would have been easier for AEG to blame it on Michael, than blame themsleves and their lack of timing skills.
Once again, do not ask me for his name, I will never tell, not even via PM. He was brutally honest with me and I will honor his request.
A lot of things make sense now, especially the concerts not being ready based on what we saw in the movie. No way in two weeks they were going to be ready. Also, he said, don't forget that a lot of days would have been lost during the move to London and setting up the stage there and get adjusted to the arena.
This is very sad, especially to think that Michael was somehow made feel responsible for this.
Source : Mrfuture@Kop Board
That is absolutely awful that they would have blamed Michael for anything that went wrong. Any wonder he hoaxed his death, he just needed to get away from it all
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now i really hope he didnt pass it wold be a shame to know he went under all that stress and unhappiness...I can't believe that put all the responsibility on Mr. Jackson beacause Michael is such a nice person he would never lash out in a way so they threw it all at him... Michael i am deeply sorry for all the stress you have to go through just to please your fans...I feel selfish right now and i hope that you come back but if you dont i can completely understand and i hope you live the rest of your life out peacefully....
If he did come back cant he get sued BIG TIME by AEG and SONY liek hard core because he still didnt do the shows???..............LOVE YOU MORE MR.JACSKON
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I am an Italian fan,
this discussion with this reporter is going, she says that with the disappearance of Michael did not have to do Illuminati or escape of Michael from the stress, but a serious and imminent danger of death linked to the concerts in London and everything would be concentrated in the months after the announcement at a press conference. Michael will return in 2010. She is very kind and answer to everybody’s questions.he’s now doing well. Manages to be in contact with his children. His family obviously knows the truth. everything has developed in a few months. Not years .Michael was willing to do all the show in London
Forgive my english....
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I am an Italian fan,
this discussion with this reporter is going, she says that with the disappearance of Michael did not have to do Illuminati or escape of Michael from the stress, but a serious and imminent danger of death linked to the concerts in London and everything would be concentrated in the months after the announcement at a press conference. Michael will return in 2010. She is very kind and answer to everybody’s questions.he’s now doing well. Manages to be in contact with his children. His family obviously knows the truth. everything has developed in a few months. Not years .Michael was willing to do all the show in London
Forgive my english....
Will you inquire to your friend if this had any linkage to Jane Burgenmeister. I would certainly appreciate her answer.
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It seemed quite a coincidence that on June 25, the day of Michael's "death" is the exact same day she filed her big lawsuit! Very coincidental.
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I am an Italian fan,
this discussion with this reporter is going, she says that with the disappearance of Michael did not have to do Illuminati or escape of Michael from the stress, but a serious and imminent danger of death linked to the concerts in London and everything would be concentrated in the months after the announcement at a press conference. Michael will return in 2010. She is very kind and answer to everybody’s questions.he’s now doing well. Manages to be in contact with his children. His family obviously knows the truth. everything has developed in a few months. Not years .Michael was willing to do all the show in London
Forgive my english....
Will you inquire to your friend if this had any linkage to Jane Burgenmeister. I would certainly appreciate her answer.
there is no linkage to Jane Burgermeister..and she is not my friend, but only an italian writer..
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thank you for clearing that up for me. I've often wondered.
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I am an Italian fan,
this discussion with this reporter is going, she says that with the disappearance of Michael did not have to do Illuminati or escape of Michael from the stress, but a serious and imminent danger of death linked to the concerts in London and everything would be concentrated in the months after the announcement at a press conference. Michael will return in 2010. She is very kind and answer to everybody’s questions.he’s now doing well. Manages to be in contact with his children. His family obviously knows the truth. everything has developed in a few months. Not years .Michael was willing to do all the show in London
Forgive my english....
Will you inquire to your friend if this had any linkage to Jane Burgenmeister. I would certainly appreciate her answer.
there is no linkage to Jane Burgermeister..and she is not my friend, but only an italian writer..
Are you talking about BlackorWhite?
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Liberiangirl, I am totally confused, lol. I hope they are not one and the same :(
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Think I'll just sit tight for a while. I'm starting to feel a bit strange and uneasy.
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Can you tell us if the person who was friends with, and in rehearsals with, Michael, felt that there was more to the video footage? For instance, did he sense there a decision made prior to June 25th to do the documentary? Or, did he believe it was just a "quick" decision like AEG and Ortega lead us to believe? Also - do you get a sense whether he really believes Michael is dead? Also, did the friend say if he thought Michael's bodyguards were there to proctect him or was it to "keep him in line". I am saddened because for the first time I feel in my heart that everything I read was true. It matches so much of what Michael's friends and fans who were with him every day are saying on this-is-not-it.com. I'm not sure if any of you have been on that site but they said everything started changing on June 12th. This must have been when the media published the comment by one of the them stating Michael did not want to do 50 dates. That's when Michael was no longer allowed to communicate with his fans. I thought that perhaps there was a double at this point and his fans would know the fake but now I'm not sure that was it at all. These fans also seem to believe that AEG and Randy Phillips are largely to blame for what happened to Michael. All of these sites are tying things together, slowly, even if we all hold different beliefs. Me, I don't know if Michael is alive but I feel compelled to show my support and love for a man that truly didn't deserve the massacre he received from the media, tabloids. and entertainment industry as a whole. Thank you.
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there were websites where you could actually talk to Mr.Jackson?!?!? oh man i always thought those were just fake!!! Man i had so many questions to ask about his music and about the charities he helped out :(...
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Liberiangirl, I am totally confused, lol. I hope they are not one and the same :(
I don't know but I think she's talking about BOW. She's italian too and BOW writes on an italian forum and she's a journalist.
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Liberiangirl, I am totally confused, lol. I hope they are not one and the same :(
I don't know but I think she's talking about BOW. She's italian too and BOW writes on an italian forum and she's a journalist.
Well, I'm Italian as well and I read what she wrote on the italian forum; there are some things that are bothering me: first of all,if she is a journalist why on earth she writes in such a poor italian language? You can't realize that but I can cos I'm Italian mothertongue. No way a journalist'd write in such a dreadful italian.
Second , why and I really mean WHY someone decided to reveal all those things about the hoax to her? WHY? and told her to write on an italian forum? Someone just explain me why. Michael's reading in Italian?? Shamone you guys!!! I can't even start to believe that .
(Apart for the fact that it is true cos I taught him some Italian and he's very clever as you all know and he's now able to read some of it, but that's another story :lol: :lol: )
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yes, i'm talking about BOW..
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Liberiangirl, I am totally confused, lol. I hope they are not one and the same :(
I don't know but I think she's talking about BOW. She's italian too and BOW writes on an italian forum and she's a journalist.
Well, I'm Italian as well and I read what she wrote on the italian forum; there are some things that are bothering me: first of all,if she is a journalist why on earth she writes in such a poor italian language? You can't realize that but I can cos I'm Italian mothertongue. No way a journalist'd write in such a dreadful italian.
Second , why and I really mean WHY someone decided to reveal all those things about the hoax to her? WHY? and told her to write on an italian forum? Someone just explain me why. Michael's reading in Italian?? Shamone you guys!!! I can't even start to believe that .
(Apart for the fact that it is true cos I taught him some Italian and he's very clever as you all know and he's now able to read some of it, but that's another story :lol: :lol: )
You take the words out of my mouth, my thoughts exactly;
Just another fake :x
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@ DooDoo & Claire:
Yes, I'm totally with you 2 !
BOW says she's doing nothing different from what TIAI, MJDH.NET and SOUZA & MO do...And she means, they're helping us in finding the truth, but they confuse us at the same time...WHAT???? :shock: :shock: :shock:
Soza & Mo never claimed to have the truth!!!!We are all investigating.Here.Together!
And...come on, to me BOW is NOT a journalist...she writes in such a poor Italian...!!!
(to all Italian members: Ecco, ha appena scritto: "Ve LO detto"--->se BOW è giornalista, io sono Sylvia Plath! :lol: )
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@ DooDoo & Claire:
Yes, I'm totally with you 2 !
BOW says she's doing nothing different from what TIAI, MJDH.NET and SOUZA & MO do...And she means, they're helping us in finding the truth, but they confuse us at the same time...WHAT???? :shock: :shock: :shock:
Soza & Mo never claimed to have the truth!!!!We are all investigating.Here.Together!
And...come on, to me BOW is NOT a journalist...she writes in such a poor Italian...!!!
(to all Italian members: Ecco, ha appena scritto: "Ve LO detto"--->se BOW è giornalista, io sono Sylvia Plath! :lol: )
:shock: not even my little cousin makes this kind of errors :lol:
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:shock: :shock: Yes, if BOW is a journalist I am Michael's wife :lol: :lol: :lol:
(I really am actually, but that's also another story :lol: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: )
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@ DooDoo & Claire:
Yes, I'm totally with you 2 !
BOW says she's doing nothing different from what TIAI, MJDH.NET and SOUZA & MO do...And she means, they're helping us in finding the truth, but they confuse us at the same time...WHAT???? :shock: :shock: :shock:
Soza & Mo never claimed to have the truth!!!!We are all investigating.Here.Together!
And...come on, to me BOW is NOT a journalist...she writes in such a poor Italian...!!!
(to all Italian members: Ecco, ha appena scritto: "Ve LO detto"--->se BOW è giornalista, io sono Sylvia Plath! :lol: )
superflysister81 where did you get your signature...both of the images heehee he looks cute
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Thanks, I_need YoU! :)
Yep, they are so cute...HE is so cute! :lol:
If I'm right, I took the gif from this amazing site, take a look:
http://www.michaeljacksonfreegifs.com/m ... other.html (http://www.michaeljacksonfreegifs.com/michael_jackson_gifs_other.html)
About the pic of Michael at the piano, I just photoshoped the original one :)