Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TMZ.com => Michael Jackson News => TMZ Articles => Topic started by: curls on May 16, 2013, 10:50:41 AM
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http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/16/wade-robson-michael-jackson-molestation-today-show-video/
(Sorry, I can't get this to copy properly, maybe someone else can do it please.)
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Here you go, curls:
WADE ROBSON
MICHAEL FORCED ME TO HAVE SEX
And to Keep Quiet About It
BREAKING NEWS
Wade Robson says the only reason he's now changing his story ... accusing Michael Jackson of sexually abusing him for 7 years is because Michael engaged in a campaign of manipulation to keep him silent, especially during MJ's 2005 child molestation trial.
Robson went on NBC Today and said, Michael "performed sexual acts on me and forced me to perform sexual acts on him" from the age of 7 ... until Robson was 14.
Robson claimed he testified in 2005 that Michael did NOT sexually abuse him because Michael told him what they were doing was "an expression of love" ... and added, "if you ever tell anyone what we're doing both of our lives and our careers will be over."
TMZ broke the story ... Robson filed a creditor's claim against Michael Jackson's estate last week, insisting MJ sexually abused him during his childhood for years, but according to sources he didn't take action until he saw a therapist following a nervous breakdown.
Robson referenced the breakdown on Today, saying ... "For the first time in my life I began to realize that my completely numb and unexplored feelings in relation to what Michael did to me might be a problem and maybe I need to speak to someone about it."
Interestingly, Robson denied repressing memories of the alleged abuse ... instead saying he was merely "psychologically and emotionally completely unable and unwilling to understand that it was sexual abuse."
Robson added he doesn't excuse the alleged abuse, but he believed Michael was a "troubled man" who was an amazing talent, but "also a pedophile."
Michael Jackson's estate has told TMZ Robson's allegations are an "outrageous and pathetic" money grab.
Once again, looks very scripted.
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Shit's getting ugly.
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It's those numbers that get me...from the age of 7 to 14......777.......that's just so damn hoaxy
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Any other numbers
I just went on a skype rant about this
from 7 to 14
[11:04:34 AM] bec: for 7 years
[11:04:38 AM] bec: ugly
[11:04:42 AM] bec: but those numbers
[11:05:51 AM] bec: as ugly as this is
[11:05:58 AM] bec: those numbers cant be a coincidence
[11:06:01 AM] bec: any other numbers
[11:06:08 AM] bec: and whats the chances
[11:06:14 AM] bec: 7 to 14 for 7 years
[11:06:19 AM] bec: i mean come on
[11:06:28 AM] bec: could have been 8 to 15
[11:06:31 AM] bec: 10 to 12
[11:06:46 AM] bec: 11 to 15
[11:06:48 AM] bec: i mean
[11:06:54 AM] bec: 7 to 14?
[11:06:58 AM] bec: whats the chances
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Something Robson said really stood out to me, now this is just paraphrasing, but he said about the fans reaction "they just need to be educated and they'll understand, it took me a while now i understand"
Almost as if to say , if we understand why he's doing it, then our reaction would be different, which goes back to us thinking Michael is behind it all.
Obviously this was about the supposed 'abuse' however maybe that was also a queue for people to start educating themselves more about what's going on with Michael now, (AEG, Trial etc) and to start thinking for themselves and to not believe everything they read. (Non-believers)
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(http://i40.tinypic.com/dc8vtx.png)
Latoya also just tweeted this, which I think is rather vague, but to me seems to be saying, 'wait it out and just ride the storm'
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This line is pretty much the opinion I've heard people [non fans and media influenced] say to me in conversations about MJ ....so I take it as representation of common misperception [is that even a word?] among the brain washed out there. They don't argue the fact of his talent, the dislike is solely because of the allegations.
he believed Michael was a "troubled man" who was an amazing talent, but "also a pedophile."
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Someone needs to make a list of all the people who slept/stayed/visited/walk in front of Neverland, so we just know how many might ask for money in the coming years :icon_rolleyes:
RK : There is nothing strange in what people think. Pedophile are "random people" in their everyday behaviour... So random people can accept that MJ could be a pedo + a great humanitarian/artist.
The biggest problem is that they never made any effort to check if that was even true. Both cases prooved MJ innocent but yet people still consider him not to be "clean"
Now, we are told he is dead, and yet we don't buy it. So why would this people believe what the court says... They doubt. I always says "Truth is only what you believe in the most" I really wonder what it would take for them to actually believe he is innocent. Another molesting case will just put more doubt in their brains. This is why i wonder if it is MJ's plan.
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And our HERO pops up:
MJ'S LAWYER
Wade Robson is a
MONEY-GRUBBING LIAR
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/05/16/0516-tom-mesereau-1.jpg)
The lawyer who repped Michael Jackson in the 2005 molestation case is scoffing at Wade Robson's interview on "Today," telling TMZ, "This is a pathetic and an obvious grab for publicity and an attempt to put pressure on the [Michael Jackson] Estate to pay him money."
Tom Mesereau tells us Robson is flat-out lying when he says this is not about money, saying, "Why call yourself a creditor if it's not about money." TMZ broke the story ... Robson has filed a belated creditor's claim with the MJ Estate.
Mesereau says Robson was grilled by the prosecutor in the 2005 criminal case and was unwavering. He says it's simply unbelievable that the truth didn't surface when Robson was on the stand. Mesereau says Robson is an intelligent guy who has volunteered statements in and out of court, defending Michael.
As for the money ... Mesereau tells us, "Everyone knows this Estate is well over a billion dollars and growing."
For the record, it's not at a billion bucks yet, but the Estate has made hundreds of millions of dollars and it will probably hit the billion dollar mark.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/16/michael-jackson-lawyer-wade-robson-is-a-money-grubbing-liar-tom-mesereau-sexual-abuse/
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Yes that's the progress made since death. Brilliant artist, troubled... kid toucher. That's what they all say. Need some movement in the later department. Hopefully we are at this juncture.
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Yes that's the progress made since death. Brilliant artist, troubled... kid toucher. That's what they all say. Need some movement in the later department. Hopefully we are at this juncture.
The way you mention it make's me think people took PITY on MJ rather than ANGER. And i think it's even more dangerous because it means they accepted it as a known fact.
People love MJ but yet they are likely to agree he is a pedophile/troubled guy
When people are angry, you can proove them wrong and bring them back to truth. Here i just feel it will be a long road...
maybe it would take 3 times for people to understand it's about money.
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@whatyourheartsays, no one is "angry". people are only judgemental and they don't understand easily.
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@whatyourheartsays, no one is "angry". people are only judgemental and they don't understand easily.
I meant that people are usually angry or horryfied by pedophile, they ask for explanation/punishment/revenge but with MJ's case they just consider him a troubled guy, considering his childhood, his life. This is what i was putting light on. Like Rk i often hear people talk like this about him. They don't show "bad" feelings because they love the artist but they have some kind of pity for the man himself.
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@whatyourheartsays, no one is "angry". people are only judgemental and they don't understand easily.
I meant that people are usually angry or horryfied by pedophile, they ask for explanation/punishment/revenge but with MJ's case they just consider him a troubled guy, considering his childhood, his life. This is what i was putting light on. Like Rk i often hear people talk like this about him. They don't show "bad" feelings because they love the artist but they have some kind of pity for the man himself.
I don't know how many people even react with anger towards MJ but the part of the world I live in? they indifferently, very coldly ask about all sorts of questions. And they ask, not becase they wanna know the truth, but to purely torture a MJ fan. I assume 3/4th of the world is so. Until and unless they are not taken aback by this death hoax, i see no vindication of MJ through words, because sadly words don't impact anymore in this situation. actions would.
and tbh, many won't even know that MJ has vitiligo. Can you believe that?
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This sentence stood out to me from Tom M.'s statement:
"Mesereau says Robson was grilled by the prosecutor in the 2005 criminal case and was unwavering. He says it's simply unbelievable that the truth didn't surface when Robson was on the stand. Mesereau says Robson is an intelligent guy who has volunteered statements in and out of court, defending Michael."
Tom M. makes an excellent point here with this statement. Most of the time, when someone is on the stand and the prosecutor is grilling them, they usually cave and the truth comes out.
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lazy people don't care about the truth because it's not their life. I mean, they have their own stuff to care for, so MJ having vitiligo or whatever is the last thing they care about. They only read tabloid to have some fun like watching reality show. I don't think they have an opinion about it. When asked about it, they just spread the shit they read, just to pretend they know about it. And when you try to explain them what the reality is, they just consider it's too much money involved for random people to understand and they stop listening. In the end they consider you as a delusionnal fan, trying to save its "god" image.
I don't think i've ever been talking about MJ since very long time. People know i'm a fan, so they avoid talking about it with me, surely because of all i just mentionned :icon_lol:
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Wade Robson...... :icon_evil: there are no words to describe this " man" :icon_twisted:
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Ouch! Wade.....what bullshit you spout forth.
After being such a long time and staunch supporter of Michael, Wade has now either sprouted massive horns on his forehead and turned to the dark side by making these bull$hit, ugly allegations, purely for the $$$
or
Wade, through his love and friendship for Michael, is helping him bring out all the ugly crap surrounding the '93 and 2003 allegations...putting himself as a kind of "bait" for Jordy (and hopefully Gavin) to finally tell the world the truth.
I am really really hoping it is the 2nd option - because if not, those horns are gonna take over Wade's entire head and he won't be able to fit into a car to drive to the Social Security Office, let alone walk through the door, to collect his unemployment benefit.
:icon_evil:
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Who is paying to this idiot for say these things was now
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Wade is a despicable human being. He's getting paid big money for:
1- Creating doubt in people, that's all he needs to do, by creating doubt less people will have sympathy for Michael, more people will believe the saying "where
there is smoke, there's fire". The timing of these allegations is very crucial, with the wrongful death lawsuit just starting, now more people will have the
tendency to not stand by Katherine's side.
2- Creating a distraction. People will be distracted by these allegations and will not have time to pay attention to the wrongful death lawsuit. This is what
"they" are hoping and counting on.
As Tom M. said, "Why call yourself a creditor if it's not about money?" It's not in Michael to hurt a bug let alone a child. He did everything he
could to help a child.
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Craig Baxter - Body language analysis of Wade Robson interview on Today:
Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VpTcU1bjkk4
Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w_QbTglW3E
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Spectacular. That interview confirms it for me. Wade is working for MJ.
He said MJ trained him in role play for these sorts of scenarios. Scenarios like that interview. Lol.
My god he is really doing it. I think we better buckle up.
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God, this is hard. knowing it's a setup. it's still painful.
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Yeah. Hang on tight, Thriller.
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i'm trying hard bec...i'm going thru a minestrone of emotions.
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minestrone of emotions
love it.
well who isn't? It's really scary, but he's doing this. He is clearly way braver then any of us lol. We should take confidence from his confidence.
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so true! finished crying to my heart's content. if Michael is fine, we are fine. gonna get justice by hook or by crook.
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Wade's a good actor, with the same coach as Paris had for her crying scene at the memorial.
But on the other hand, I was also thinking that he said he had 2 nervous breakdowns, and only the second one did he start to realize he needed to come public. The body language expert said when Wade talked about his breakdowns and his kid his actions changed slightly. Wade said they were not repressed memories but that he knew them all along. I'm wondering if he went for psychiatric help after the first breakdown, had a drug therapy of some kind that put him right under. Could they have actually placed memories/suggestions/videos in his mind which he after the second breakdown started to remember as if he had all along experienced them; different parts of the brain play different roles in our memory. Then he would REALLY think these things happened to him. Since Hitler and Russian KGB times, all kinds of experiments have been performed on the mind with drugs and mind control, and I'm sure they can now do impressive things.
http://exploringthemind.com/the-mind/are-your-memories-just-faked
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2003/dec/04/science.research1
Propranolol looks like propofol, but apparently they do different things.
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I'm not sure if wade is working for mj could he have been bought by THEM?
Not sure if its tge real Front on twitter but hes saying this is NOT part of the plan.
Sounds like him and I asked him the question is this part of the hoax and got the below replies, I'm ashpatel2010.
@frontback777: One can't "wade" in dark waters of deep LIE$ for long. Truth always bubbles to the surface!!!!!
@ashpatel2010: @frontback777 pls let this be true and let MJ comeback safely soon. Is the wade situation part if the plan Front?
@frontback777: @ashpatel2010 Sadly, no it is not. This is a victim of cold-hearted pre$$ure from vulture$ that swarm in flocks. Also.....
@frontback777: @ashpatel2010 a victim of GREEd induced by society. The things ppl will say for $$$. DISGUSTING!!!!
@ashpatel2010: @frontback777 thanks front. This can't ruin Michael's return now. He's gotta return more than ever now this year to show the vultures up!
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Yes Ashprak I woke up with that very bad news I was devastated when I saw Front's posts, now is Frontback777 our real Front?? I don't know but if he weren't don't you think our Front had posted something about it to warn us?? btw if he is our Front he is confirming that Front and Back is one and the same.
I tell you this is being the darkest time of this hoax, truth or not is being disgusting anyway,as Front said.
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i don't really feel that front or any other insider out there would ever say: 'Wade Robson's accusations are part of plan'.
If there is a sting, I don't think Michael would let that be revealed. Everyone would lie and maintain that either Wade is doing for money or he has been appointed.
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IF this frontback777 is the real deal, I highly doubt he is going to let the cat out of the bag either.
I take it with a grain of salt because we ain't gonna find out anything from any true "insider" until due time....and even then we probably won't know how everything went down.
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Thriller4ever:
i don't really feel that front or any other insider out there would ever say: 'Wade Robson's accusations are part of plan'.
If there is a sting, I don't think Michael would let that be revealed. Everyone would lie and maintain that either Wade is doing for money or he has been appointed.
Adi:
IF this frontback777 is the real deal, I highly doubt he is going to let the cat out of the bag either.
I agree with you two. Since we don't know for sure what's going on, we can't eliminate this whole thing being part of the plan. I think Wade is supposed to represent those who DID sell their souls for money to slander Michael, and those dark hidden people who paid them the money to do it. We also don't know with certainty that twitter Front is forum Front. I originally dismissed the account as fake mainly because twitter is a hotbed for all sorts of fakery and also because I didn't want to think that Front "abandoned" the forum. But the info at that time was very limited and now, it's quite intriguing. I suppose we'll just have to keep watching, lol.
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Anyway it's odd that Front didn't post anymore although having HB offline yet, he could post anywhere on the forum but remember that the last time he posted nobody paid much attention to him except few and I.
PS: I agree with you guys that Front would never reveal if Wade's claim is part of the game or not. I always bear in mind what Bec said that maybe Michael likes to play the victim role to be loved and protected by his fans.
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Anyway it's odd that Front didn't post anymore although having HB offline yet, he could post anywhere on the forum but remember that the last time he posted nobody paid much attention to him except few and I.
I do think members did pay attention to Front, i speak for myself that most of the times i don't know what to say..maybe i am not the only one who feels this way...and thereby the last post of Front at the forum, was kinda abracadabra to me...
PS: I agree with you guys that Front would never reveal if Wade's claim is part of the game or not. I always bear in mind what Bec said that maybe Michael likes to play the victim role to be loved and protected by his fans.
I'm not sure about that, because i can imagine that if Wade was not apart of the plan he would let us know to get the more support from us believers.
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Forget what "Front" says and trust your own perceptions.
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Forget what "Front" says and trust your own perceptions.
agree with you to trust your own perceptions, but i do think nomatter who says it, it's always good to take them for consideration...
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True, Shy, but after all we have been through... it requires the entire salt shaker to swallow what an "informer" has to say.
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Forget what "Front" says and trust your own perceptions.
Do not let curiosity & wishful thinking hinder perception.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,5167.msg342397.html#msg342397
Lol.
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it's like small Alternate reality games in a bigger alternate reality game.
we need to be careful of what we believe, because, as i say always, information given to us is twisted for reasons unknown.
i vote setup.
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I second the vote with full confidence.
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I'm abstaining! Call it sitting on the fence if you like, but I'm not prepared to rule anything out - damn frustrating though that is!
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Forget what "Front" says and trust your own perceptions.
Do not let curiosity & wishful thinking hinder perception.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,5167.msg342397.html#msg342397
Lol.
GINA:
Quote from: "Front"
Don't worry about Front…he will be fine. T-r-u-s-t M-e!
Oh Front thank you for letting us know you are a he. It's good to know.
But I don't understand what's with that TM.
Thanks Andrea for sharing, Gina is asking what does Front mean with TM and WOW maybe he was referring to Tom Messereau :woohoo2:
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Here is an interesting analysis of Wade's body language when discussing "his" truth:
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpTcU1bjkk4
Part 2
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w_QbTglW3E
Titania
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Thanks Titania for sharing..... :bearhug:
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I'm abstaining! Call it sitting on the fence if you like, but I'm not prepared to rule anything out - damn frustrating though that is!
Just don't get a splinter in your nether-regions :icon_lol:
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My heart has utter confidence in the victory of MJ, and that he has a God-breathed 20+ year plan that will not fail.
However I'm actually enjoying getting caught up in the story-line, the cliff-hangers, and never being able to quite predict which way the story will go, and who's in and who's not. He did say he loves to tell stories, to capture people's imaginations.
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I'm abstaining! Call it sitting on the fence if you like, but I'm not prepared to rule anything out - damn frustrating though that is!
Just don't get a splinter in your nether-regions :icon_lol:
:LolLolLolLol: