Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Talk => Topic started by: Guest on February 12, 2011, 05:06:49 AM
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Hello everyone
Weird Video
How usual is it that you get a Kiss from your Doctor, but see for yourself.
http://www.khou.com/news/local/Conrad-M ... 86984.html (http://www.khou.com/news/local/Conrad-Murray-visits-Houston-patients-115386984.html)
Postet on 7. Feb. (giggle) Seven again.
Much love and peace to everyone.
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It’s a real shame what medical care has come to these days. These people know that Murray is a last resort for them. Take it or leave it, he’s all that they have.
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And I wonder why he has that make up on...? There is a CLEAR line of DARK makeup on his face..lighter on the neck and back of neck. (reminds me of the "makeup" on the "shirt" in the closet).
Also, I've never been to a doctor and the doctor came out and got me. It's either a nurse or a medical assistant. Hummm
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And I wonder why he has that make up on...? There is a CLEAR line of DARK makeup on his face..lighter on the neck and back of neck. (reminds me of the "makeup" on the "shirt" in the closet).
Also, I've never been to a doctor and the doctor came out and got me. It's either a nurse or a medical assistant. Hummm
Hello fordtocarr
Huh, really? I didn't regonize the Make up. I will watch it again. Thank you.
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And I wonder why he has that make up on...? There is a CLEAR line of DARK makeup on his face..lighter on the neck and back of neck. (reminds me of the "makeup" on the "shirt" in the closet).
Also, I've never been to a doctor and the doctor came out and got me. It's either a nurse or a medical assistant. Hummm
My doctor comes out to get me. His medical assistant will bring me back first to have vitals taken, but then he comes out to the waiting room when he's ready to see me.
Anyway, just an example to show there's no hard rule on that.
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He is very close to his patients, which means that he is a caring person, beyond a Doctor focusing just on money.
I can´t see that man "murdering" Michael.
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He is very close to his patients, which means that he is a caring person, beyond a Doctor focusing just on money.
I can´t see that man "murdering" Michael.
Gema, he is not a caring man. I have nothing to back me up right now. I am trying to do some research. Not that I may succeed but I will try. All these people who were in the waiting room are people he knows as friends or family. This is a cover up. I know my family doctor for over 30 yrs and he never comes out and kisses me. He is still the same person and he never has a smile on his face, but he is a fantastic doctor. I have known my gynocologist 20 yrs now, she never came out and kissed me either. There is something fishy about this man. I hope God will guide me to finding an answer. He did not murder Michael, Michael is alive.
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He is very close to his patients, which means that he is a caring person, beyond a Doctor focusing just on money.
I can´t see that man "murdering" Michael.
Gema, he is not a caring man. I have nothing to back me up right now. I am trying to do some research. Not that I may succeed but I will try. All these people who were in the waiting room are people he knows as friends or family. This is a cover up. I know my family doctor for over 30 yrs and he never comes out and kisses me. He is still the same person and he never has a smile on his face, but he is a fantastic doctor. I have known my gynocologist 20 yrs now, she never came out and kissed me either. There is something fishy about this man. I hope God will guide me to finding an answer. He did not murder Michael, Michael is alive.
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A cover up for Murray or Michael?
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True it looks like the patients are friends and family.
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It is said that Murray did community work free of charge and he is also part of a church in which he gave a little speech about his problems and people also showed signs of affection and concern.
The people there at his practice could be his family and friends, but also his patients.
LunaJo in one of her videos talked about Murrays clinic being in a wanted plot.
This coming trial is making people sure that MJ is dead. I just hope that justice does not put behind bars an innocent man.
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It is said that Murray did community work free of charge and he is also part of a church in which he gave a little speech about his problems and people also showed signs of affection and concern.
The people there at his practice could be his family and friends, but also his patients.
LunaJo in one of her videos talked about Murrays clinic being in a wanted plot.
This coming trial is making people sure that MJ is dead. I just hope that justice does not put behind bars an innocent man.
I don't know what to believe anymore :lol: but for me the trial doesn't change anything as to Michael being alive, it's just that there are too many things we cannot know and this leaves room for the confusion.
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:lol: confusion? tell me about it :lol:
This is like a huge puzzel. Missing one piece (post) means looking over and over to everything already done untill one can connect it to the whole frame.
I think that up to this point we have researched a lot regarding Murrays persona in forums, news, videos, youtube members, yet we can´t tell wether or not Murray is who we are told he is.
And that video of Latoya (which I failed to find) where she says "is like an ilusion" is a brain teaser. She keeps saying that Murray is not the only one, but Murray is the one being judged.
Makes no sense...as usual...
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:lol: confusion? tell me about it :lol:
This is like a huge puzzel. Missing one piece (post) means looking over and over to everything already done untill one can connect it to the whole frame.
I think that up to this point we have researched a lot regarding Murrays persona in forums, news, videos, youtube members, yet we can´t tell wether or not Murray is who we are told he is.
And that video of Latoya (which I failed to find) where she says "is like an ilusion" is a brain teaser. She keeps saying that Murray is not the only one, but Murray is the one being judged.
Makes no sense...as usual...
LOL indeed I still don't know if Murray is an actor or a doctor. Where's the script of the hoax?? :lol:
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:lol: confusion? tell me about it :lol:
This is like a huge puzzel. Missing one piece (post) means looking over and over to everything already done untill one can connect it to the whole frame.
I think that up to this point we have researched a lot regarding Murrays persona in forums, news, videos, youtube members, yet we can´t tell wether or not Murray is who we are told he is.
And that video of Latoya (which I failed to find) where she says "is like an ilusion" is a brain teaser. She keeps saying that Murray is not the only one, but Murray is the one being judged.
Makes no sense...as usual...
LOL indeed I still don't know if Murray is an actor or a doctor. Where's the script of the hoax?? :lol:
:lol: maybe we are writing it as we go along . quick somebody come up with a big happy ending.
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:lol: :lol: oh boy about the happy ending :lol:
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It is said that Murray did community work free of charge and he is also part of a church in which he gave a little speech about his problems and people also showed signs of affection and concern.
The people there at his practice could be his family and friends, but also his patients.
LunaJo in one of her videos talked about Murrays clinic being in a wanted plot.
This coming trial is making people sure that MJ is dead. I just hope that justice does not put behind bars an innocent man.
Gema how can they put Murray behind bars when Michael is alive? This is all a show. Murray needs to show us that he is a wonderful human being, who cares about people. You can have all those patients, but if you can't do CPR to prevent a heart failure of a person who is the most known in the world. Even if Michael was a shoe maker, or he would have worked at McDonalds, :lol: he is still a human being and needed to be helped by this doctor. I had written in a post a couple of months ago, that my friend is a doctor, who has a doctor friend who works in the united states. They did not find any lisence under Murray's name. On top of that they were doing also research on Michaels death certificate which they still cannot find. I did say that I will not give any proof because I do not want these wonderful friends of mine lose their profession over this. My friend is doing it for me.(actually he does not want to hear me anymore :lol: ) This is all a show.. remember this They have cannot convict Murray so Murray will have to come with some sort of solution for us to see him as a nice compassionate man look how many patients he has wow he is loved! I hope you understand my point. Blessings
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Well, really, they can send him to jail. If this is all a movie, the court not real, then they can have a set jail, or real, but he would'nt LIVE there. Sure there'd be pics, of course...but, it's a movie.
New evidence could always come out and get him miraculously out of jail!
But, it is looking like they don't want to damage the doctors opportunity to have patients and are working on redeeming him before a verdict. I'm sure, if he even IS a doctor, he will have tons of patients once he becomes the supporting star in this movie.
Can't we check on the validity of legal thinks, like the doctor's REAL license. The court dates AT the courthouse. If the autopsy is FILED in the REAL courthouse. Where that moving van went with Michael's stuff. Where the mj3 are now REALLY and things like that? I feel out of things, 1000 miles from LA, but it seems like we could find if these things are REAL and legally filed.
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Well, really, they can send him to jail. If this is all a movie, the court not real, then they can have a set jail, or real, but he would'nt LIVE there. Sure there'd be pics, of course...but, it's a movie.
I hope the movie doesn't go that far because I do not know what we would feel about it if he goes to prison. Even if it is fake, most of the believers would lose their faith.
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@all4loveandbelieve,
If your friends said that Murray is not a Doctor I am surprised noone yet went to the media with that story :shock: or the media itself got that info out :shock:
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:lol: :lol: oh boy about the happy ending :lol:
GEMA ! :shock: :lol:
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@all4loveandbelieve,
If your friends said that Murray is not a Doctor I am surprised noone yet went to the media with that story :shock: or the media itself got that info out :shock:
Like I said my friends do not want to get involved.... Which i understand them. Pluse there is a post that a woman called the board of doctors to find out about Murray and they couldn't find anything. Once I find it i will post it here.
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:lol: :lol: oh boy about the happy ending :lol:
GEMA ! :shock: :lol:
When one gets over 30 the innocence gets lost and never comes back :lol:
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@all4loveandbelieve,
If your friends said that Murray is not a Doctor I am surprised noone yet went to the media with that story :shock: or the media itself got that info out :shock:
Like I said my friends do not want to get involved.... Which i understand them. Pluse there is a post that a woman called the board of doctors to find out about Murray and they couldn't find anything. Once I find it i will post it here.
Yes. Please do. That is a must read.
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@all4loveandbelieve,
If your friends said that Murray is not a Doctor I am surprised noone yet went to the media with that story :shock: or the media itself got that info out :shock:
Pluse there is a post that a woman called the board of doctors to find out about Murray and they couldn't find anything. Once I find it i will post it here.
Actually the woman who made the calls to the medical boards found out that he didn't lose his medical licenses after the courts. She wasn't looking for if he had any medical licenses or not. And according to the medical boards she called, he has medical licenses and they are still valid.
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@all4loveandbelieve,
If your friends said that Murray is not a Doctor I am surprised noone yet went to the media with that story :shock: or the media itself got that info out :shock:
Pluse there is a post that a woman called the board of doctors to find out about Murray and they couldn't find anything. Once I find it i will post it here.
Actually the woman who made the calls to the medical boards found out that he didn't lose his medical licenses after the courts. She wasn't looking for if he had any medical licenses or not. And according to the medical boards she called, he has medical licenses and they are still valid.
sad but this is where the whole anonymous stuff bites us in the behind. the video tape of the woman could be just as real or just as fake as the 911 call. a4l&b's friends are most likely real persons who for obvious reasons can't come forward but there is still the feeling that we need to be Leary. :( . sorry if that didn't make sense to anyone.
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:lol: confusion? tell me about it :lol:
This is like a huge puzzel. Missing one piece (post) means looking over and over to everything already done untill one can connect it to the whole frame.
I think that up to this point we have researched a lot regarding Murrays persona in forums, news, videos, youtube members, yet we can´t tell wether or not Murray is who we are told he is.
And that video of Latoya (which I failed to find) where she says "is like an ilusion" is a brain teaser. She keeps saying that Murray is not the only one, but Murray is the one being judged.
Makes no sense...as usual...
LOL indeed I still don't know if Murray is an actor or a doctor. Where's the script of the hoax?? :lol:
Totally agree with you. Is he a doctor? Or maybe an actor who is working in FBI or something like that....because he looks that way...I know what I just say it's a little bit stupid...."working in FBI or something" but he looks so strange and smelly ... not as a doctor.
you know what I mean?
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@all4loveandbelieve,
If your friends said that Murray is not a Doctor I am surprised noone yet went to the media with that story :shock: or the media itself got that info out :shock:
Pluse there is a post that a woman called the board of doctors to find out about Murray and they couldn't find anything. Once I find it i will post it here.
Actually the woman who made the calls to the medical boards found out that he didn't lose his medical licenses after the courts. She wasn't looking for if he had any medical licenses or not. And according to the medical boards she called, he has medical licenses and they are still valid.
sad but this is where the whole anonymous stuff bites us in the behind. the video tape of the woman could be just as real or just as fake as the 911 call. a4l&b's friends are most likely real persons who for obvious reasons can't come forward but there is still the feeling that we need to be Leary. :( . sorry if that didn't make sense to anyone.
The calls were real. She made a couple of calls. But the point is, a FAKE medical license could have been prepared for Murray and he is possibly a fake doctor. It wouldn't be so hard to do it as Michael had a fake death report and autopsy. So, all4loveandbelieve friends are more trustable to me. If they checked it out and found out that he has no medical license, then he doesn't have any.
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When I do a search for Dr. Murray in Houston, TX, I can not find his name on the listing of doctors in that city.
I am a medical transcriptionist who types for numerous hospitals all over Texas and I use this website all the time.
I find it odd that when doing a google search for "Conrad Murray" I can find numerous links stating that he has an office in Texas but yet when I use the search tool listed below he can not be found...see for yourself!!!!
http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/t ... ston1.html (http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/texas/cardiologists/Houston1.html)
Here is a second link that will take you to a listing of all doctors in Houston (not just by specialty) and you will notice that the only "Murray" on the list is Barbara Murray. If he were on here he should be listed after her.
http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/t ... n_m12.html (http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/texas/houston_m12.html)
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When I do a search for Dr. Murray in Houston, TX, I can not find his name on the listing of doctors in that city.
I am a medical transcriptionist who types for numerous hospitals all over Texas and I use this website all the time.
I find it odd that when doing a google search for "Conrad Murray" I can find numerous links stating that he has an office in Texas but yet when I use the search tool listed below he can not be found...see for yourself!!!!
http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/t ... ston1.html (http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/texas/cardiologists/Houston1.html)
Here is a second link that will take you to a listing of all doctors in Houston (not just by specialty) and you will notice that the only "Murray" on the list is Barbara Murray. If he were on here he should be listed after her.
Things that make you go HUMMMMMM thank you for checking :)))) figured huh?
http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/t ... n_m12.html (http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/texas/houston_m12.html)
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When I do a search for Dr. Murray in Houston, TX, I can not find his name on the listing of doctors in that city.
I am a medical transcriptionist who types for numerous hospitals all over Texas and I use this website all the time.
I find it odd that when doing a google search for "Conrad Murray" I can find numerous links stating that he has an office in Texas but yet when I use the search tool listed below he can not be found...see for yourself!!!!
http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/t ... ston1.html (http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/texas/cardiologists/Houston1.html)
Here is a second link that will take you to a listing of all doctors in Houston (not just by specialty) and you will notice that the only "Murray" on the list is Barbara Murray. If he were on here he should be listed after her.
Things that make you go HUMMMMMM thank you for checking :)))) figured huh?
http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/t ... n_m12.html (http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/texas/houston_m12.html)
You are very welcome...Like I said, this is a website that I use on a daily basis to verify spelling of doctors names, specialties, etc and it just hit me that maybe I should look for him and then when I seen he was NOT there I knew I had to share that information.
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When I do a search for Dr. Murray in Houston, TX, I can not find his name on the listing of doctors in that city.
I am a medical transcriptionist who types for numerous hospitals all over Texas and I use this website all the time.
I find it odd that when doing a google search for "Conrad Murray" I can find numerous links stating that he has an office in Texas but yet when I use the search tool listed below he can not be found...see for yourself!!!!
http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/t ... ston1.html (http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/texas/cardiologists/Houston1.html)
Here is a second link that will take you to a listing of all doctors in Houston (not just by specialty) and you will notice that the only "Murray" on the list is Barbara Murray. If he were on here he should be listed after her.
Things that make you go HUMMMMMM thank you for checking :)))) figured huh?
http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/t ... n_m12.html (http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/texas/houston_m12.html)
You are very welcome...Like I said, this is a website that I use on a daily basis to verify spelling of doctors names, specialties, etc and it just hit me that maybe I should look for him and then when I seen he was NOT there I knew I had to share that information.
Thank you ="kdkennedy74 for backing my theory, well I should say my friend who is a doctor, theory. They cannot find anything on Murray.
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PureLove
The calls were real. She made a couple of calls. But the point is, a FAKE medical license could have been prepared for Murray and he is possibly a fake doctor. It wouldn't be so hard to do it as Michael had a fake death report and autopsy. So, all4loveandbelieve friends are more trustable to me. If they checked it out and found out that he has no medical license, then he doesn't have any.
The place that girl called says he has a license, and the place all4loveandbelieve's friends looked said he didn't have a license. Are there several places that investigators could or would look. If MJ's people were setting things up for a fake doctor Murray, did they overlook or deliberately leave holes for us to find, with some difficulty. I always think that MJ wants the clues to be hard to find, but not impossible. He means for us sleuthers to eventually find things.
I really feel they are trying very hard to make Murray seem like a great compassionate man. It sets up the opposing sides for a great theatrical courtroom drama. MJ's fans against Murray's fans. MJ loves to tell a good captivating story, remember? I mentioned on another thread about how strange it is for a doctor to kiss and hug his patients. But you know how with the starting Youtube video of Murray thanking his fans, how it was like MJ was speaking through him, I'm thinking here also that MJ often greets his girl fans with a hug and a kiss. I feel this Murray character somewhat morph to MJ.
Great info kdkennedy74! Thank you!
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When I do a search for Dr. Murray in Houston, TX, I can not find his name on the listing of doctors in that city.
I am a medical transcriptionist who types for numerous hospitals all over Texas and I use this website all the time.
I find it odd that when doing a google search for "Conrad Murray" I can find numerous links stating that he has an office in Texas but yet when I use the search tool listed below he can not be found...see for yourself!!!!
http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/t ... ston1.html (http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/texas/cardiologists/Houston1.html)
Here is a second link that will take you to a listing of all doctors in Houston (not just by specialty) and you will notice that the only "Murray" on the list is Barbara Murray. If he were on here he should be listed after her.
http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/t ... n_m12.html (http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/texas/houston_m12.html)
Thank you so much for the research. I was wondering if you did it with Conrad Robert Murray? or with Robert Conrad Murray? He has two names as far as I know.
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PureLove
The calls were real. She made a couple of calls. But the point is, a FAKE medical license could have been prepared for Murray and he is possibly a fake doctor. It wouldn't be so hard to do it as Michael had a fake death report and autopsy. So, all4loveandbelieve friends are more trustable to me. If they checked it out and found out that he has no medical license, then he doesn't have any.
The place that girl called says he has a license, and the place all4loveandbelieve's friends looked said he didn't have a license. Are there several places that investigators could or would look. If MJ's people were setting things up for a fake doctor Murray, did they overlook or deliberately leave holes for us to find, with some difficulty. I always think that MJ wants the clues to be hard to find, but not impossible. He means for us sleuthers to eventually find things.
I really feel they are trying very hard to make Murray seem like a great compassionate man. It sets up the opposing sides for a great theatrical courtroom drama. MJ's fans against Murray's fans. MJ loves to tell a good captivating story, remember? I mentioned on another thread about how strange it is for a doctor to kiss and hug his patients. But you know how with the starting Youtube video of Murray thanking his fans, how it was like MJ was speaking through him, I'm thinking here also that MJ often greets his girl fans with a hug and a kiss. I feel this Murray character somewhat morph to MJ.
Great info kdkennedy74! Thank you!
Exactly. I do believe that Murray is not a doctor at all. But you know Michael loves contradiction. Nothing could be so obvious. This is his magic, his mystery. So I believe that he is leaving clues which are hard to find but not impossible just like you said. The drama part of the hoax was needed so Michael had to make it look real and also not so real for us to understand that this is a show also. Murray had to look like a doctor but he is not in real. And like you wrote Murray is like Michael in this movie. He is not guilty like Michael was not in his trial. The words he chose was Michael's during that youtube video speech. He loves his "fans", just like Michael does etc. And he is going to be a free man after the trial just like Michael did. The events are going on the same parallels.
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When I do a search for Dr. Murray in Houston, TX, I can not find his name on the listing of doctors in that city.
I am a medical transcriptionist who types for numerous hospitals all over Texas and I use this website all the time.
I find it odd that when doing a google search for "Conrad Murray" I can find numerous links stating that he has an office in Texas but yet when I use the search tool listed below he can not be found...see for yourself!!!!
http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/t ... ston1.html (http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/texas/cardiologists/Houston1.html)
Here is a second link that will take you to a listing of all doctors in Houston (not just by specialty) and you will notice that the only "Murray" on the list is Barbara Murray. If he were on here he should be listed after her.
http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/t ... n_m12.html (http://www.ucomparehealthcare.com/drs/texas/houston_m12.html)
I did the search using his last name but I did go back and double check just to be sure that I didn't miss anything and it didn't matter, he simply is not listed at all in the Houston Texas directory of doctors.
Thank you so much for the research. I was wondering if you did it with Conrad Robert Murray? or with Robert Conrad Murray? He has two names as far as I know.
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I did the search using his last name but I did go back and double check just to be sure that I didn't miss anything and it didn't matter, he simply is not listed at all in the Houston Texas directory of doctors.
Yes, you are right. I did it myself too. I found two Murrays with different names. And no Conrad Murray. :D
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Found here; [Via Google]
http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Conrad_Murray.html (http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Conrad_Murray.html)
and here...same site...if you want to do it yourself just follow the prompts
Dr. Murray accepts 2 Blue Cross Blue Shield of Texas plans at Acres Home Heart & Vascular In 6826 W Montgomery Rd Houston, TX.
Read more: http://www.vitals.com/doctor/profile/17 ... z1Ekgzxioa (http://www.vitals.com/doctor/profile/1730137340/insurance/70?ppid=66832692#ixzz1Ekgzxioa)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Q983-u ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Q983-uTGQ&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Q983-u ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Q983-uTGQ&feature=related)
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My new edited post...this is the video of Murray at church, and the foreign documentary crew following him everywhere. I think that's where TMZ get their footage of Murray from. I'm sure if the price is right, the will sell some pics and videos. ;) ;) ;)
Call me crazy, but I still think it was Murray at the private funeral in disguise..as the tall hatman., and I could have evidence to prove it...
[youtube:35vdwzxe]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Q983-u ... re=related[/youtube:35vdwzxe]
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He is very close to his patients, which means that he is a caring person, beyond a Doctor focusing just on money.
I can´t see that man "murdering" Michael.
Dr Murray isn't an evil man..I agree with you..IF Michael is really gone then I really believe that Dr Murray was set up in some way.
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If they really killed Michael then they made this video just to help get CM out of trouble. Its obvious thats its all planned.
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If a cover-up would be needed for a murder, there would be some money for some cops and some important persons, feeding the media with some story to create a fog and that would be it. For a cover-up it is vital that "swallowing the so-said hearsay" and "forgetting about other possibilities" is setting in rather quick after the incident. Important would be to trigger emotions and transport messages via emotions into the brains.
The fact that contradicting elements, "mishaps", "misfits" and "slip-ups" are happening again and again and messages are being "placed" in the web is speaking against a cover-up.
Either somebody wants to fuel suspiciousness and is counteracting to make a planned cover-up impossible or this permanent "it does not fit, does it?" attention seeking has a complete different meaning.
I do not believe in alternative one. Yes, we have seen that important videos, articles and photographs have been removed from the web (and thus have left "common" consciousness and memory), but eventually this board would not exist anymore if any knowledge about the obvious misfits would be disturbing to somebody.
A cover-up needs to be applied very quick so that the elements of truth cannot be discovered.
I think the longer the journey takes the more obvious it is that somebody has an interest to "keep us going" and is feeding us to hang in there.
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Good post Grace :)
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Good post Grace :)
Agreed :D
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I do not believe in alternative one. Yes, we have seen that important videos, articles and photographs have been removed from the web (and thus have left "common" consciousness and memory), but eventually this board would not exist anymore if any knowledge about the obvious misfits would be disturbing to somebody.
The forum was hacked and I saw it as a personal vendetta, but after reading this quote of yours idk what to think.
A cover-up needs to be applied very quick so that the elements of truth cannot be discovered.
I think the longer the journey takes the more obvious it is that somebody has an interest to "keep us going" and is feeding us to hang in there.
Hang in here for good or bad?
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If this or any other board would disturb any important person, there would have been a request to the respective provider based on some regulation or law.
The fact that the board got hacked only confirms that this were amateurs and not important persons.
Actually, we can be quite confident because despite the undoubted negative attraction the main MJ hoax communication centers do carry with them, they were only hacked 3 times in all those months. Without knowing about the number of attempts - the hacker's success was very tiny and limited to only a few hours of interruption.
If this board would be shut down by some official request, this would only confirm that some of the theories and facts assembled by the members were true.
Honestly, I don't think they care too much about us.
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If this or any other board would disturb any important person, there would have been a request to the respective provider based on some regulation or law.
The fact that the board got hacked only confirms that this were amateurs and not important persons.
Actually, we can be quite confident because despite the undoubted negative attraction the main MJ hoax communication centers do carry with them, they were only hacked 3 times in all those months. Without knowing about the number of attempts - the hacker's success was very tiny and limited to only a few hours of interruption.
If this board would be shut down by some official request, this would only confirm that some of the theories and facts assembled by the members were true.
Honestly, I don't think they care too much about us.
This would mean that our theories are not right, so may be MJ is not alive or, if he is alive, we are far from understanding what has happened.
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Gema, I cannot follow you on these conclusions.
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Honestly, I don't think they care too much about us.
Grace, I'm trying to understand this. I might have got it wrong though. With "they" do you refer to the family? So you say, the family doesn't care about the believers and that is the reason why they keep the hoax forums open?
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Did anyone else see that bulletin board when Murray opened the door? It looked like it said "He Saved Me" :? I would go back and screenshot it, but I'm in a rush right now
Edit: I just quickly did it anyway, here it is. A bit strange, no? :?
(http://i56.tinypic.com/286twut.jpg)
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]Uh YES...weird!!!! Is he holding a free clinic in a CHURCH and this is about Jesus saving souls????
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Honestly, I don't think they care too much about us.
Grace, I'm trying to understand this. I might have got it wrong though. With "they" do you refer to the family? So you say, the family doesn't care about the believers and that is the reason why they keep the hoax forums open?
I'd love to hope that the family doesn't deny us and the hoax, but I presume, knowing that money speak, I presume it's like the old saying, even bad publicity is still publicity. We still keep MIchael alive (ooh isn't that what Joe said we do?) and continue to keep his name heard and still are purchasing "Michael". It's beneficial to them NOT to tell us it's not a hoax. And to us we want to believe it's so they don't lie. Which I'm banking on :)
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Did anyone else see that bulletin board when Murray opened the door? It looked like it said "He Saved Me" :? I would go back and screenshot it, but I'm in a rush right now
Edit: I just quickly did it anyway, here it is. A bit strange, no? :?
(http://i56.tinypic.com/286twut.jpg)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/3340wgj.jpg)
:lol: Who saved who? Murray saved Michael or Michael saved him financially? Or maybe they saved each other. :D
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Honestly, I don't think they care too much about us.
Grace, I'm trying to understand this. I might have got it wrong though. With "they" do you refer to the family? So you say, the family doesn't care about the believers and that is the reason why they keep the hoax forums open?
I was talking about every important person potentially being disturbed by hoax boards.
I am not coming to any conclusions about anybody and certainly not about the Jackson family.
Neither am I God to know what they are thinking or not nor would I find any pleasure in speculating about them.
Pure logic tells me when there's a plug to a pipe to stop water running through it, it will be used if someone wants the water to be stopped for which reason ever.
In this particular case the plug would be a decision communicated to a lawyer by a phonecall who writes a registered letter to a provider. It's a matter of 15 minutes. The plug would not be hackers sitting hours in front of a keyboard testing the efficiency of their brains.
That's my logic in this. Doesn't exclude that I am wrong.
I am also not giving a black or white "final solution" picture for individual relief who's bad or who's an angel, ok? That claim belongs to other persons and I dare saying I don't like this approach. Everybody has the right and the obligation to think for himself. This is quite difficult - especially since we are so used and conditioned to have others think for us - but it's the only path towards freedom.
If you ask my opinion, I think hoax boards are not important enough for bad or PR or commercial or tabloid media people to care (which might change). The boards are important enough for haters. They are important enough for Jermaine who reacted several times positively. They are important enough for good old Harvey who responded to some of our requests and because he linked to this board specifically. The rest is up to each one reading here.
That should be it for this aspect - I think we should return to the topic about DCM hugging and kissing his patients (patience). ;)
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PureLove
The calls were real. She made a couple of calls. But the point is, a FAKE medical license could have been prepared for Murray and he is possibly a fake doctor. It wouldn't be so hard to do it as Michael had a fake death report and autopsy. So, all4loveandbelieve friends are more trustable to me. If they checked it out and found out that he has no medical license, then he doesn't have any.
The place that girl called says he has a license, and the place all4loveandbelieve's friends looked said he didn't have a license. Are there several places that investigators could or would look. If MJ's people were setting things up for a fake doctor Murray, did they overlook or deliberately leave holes for us to find, with some difficulty. I always think that MJ wants the clues to be hard to find, but not impossible. He means for us sleuthers to eventually find things.
I really feel they are trying very hard to make Murray seem like a great compassionate man. It sets up the opposing sides for a great theatrical courtroom drama. MJ's fans against Murray's fans. MJ loves to tell a good captivating story, remember? I mentioned on another thread about how strange it is for a doctor to kiss and hug his patients. But you know how with the starting Youtube video of Murray thanking his fans, how it was like MJ was speaking through him, I'm thinking here also that MJ often greets his girl fans with a hug and a kiss. I feel this Murray character somewhat morph to MJ.
Great info kdkennedy74! Thank you!
Exactly. I do believe that Murray is not a doctor at all. But you know Michael loves contradiction. Nothing could be so obvious. This is his magic, his mystery. So I believe that he is leaving clues which are hard to find but not impossible just like you said. The drama part of the hoax was needed so Michael had to make it look real and also not so real for us to understand that this is a show also. Murray had to look like a doctor but he is not in real. And like you wrote Murray is like Michael in this movie. He is not guilty like Michael was not in his trial. The words he chose was Michael's during that youtube video speech. He loves his "fans", just like Michael does etc. And he is going to be a free man after the trial just like Michael did. The events are going on the same parallels.
Absolutely, it seems to me that there are quite some similarities of the behaviour and situations of Murray and Michael, not very obvious but more in a subtle way.
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Honestly, I don't think they care too much about us.
Grace, I'm trying to understand this. I might have got it wrong though. With "they" do you refer to the family? So you say, the family doesn't care about the believers and that is the reason why they keep the hoax forums open?
I was talking about every important person potentially being disturbed by hoax boards.
I am not coming to any conclusions about anybody and certainly not about the Jackson family.
Neither am I God to know what they are thinking or not nor would I find any pleasure in speculating about them.
Pure logic tells me when there's a plug to a pipe to stop water running through it, it will be used if someone wants the water to be stopped for which reason ever.
In this particular case the plug would be a decision communicated to a lawyer by a phonecall who writes a registered letter to a provider. It's a matter of 15 minutes. The plug would not be hackers sitting hours in front of a keyboard testing the efficiency of their brains.
That's my logic in this. Doesn't exclude that I am wrong.
I am also not giving a black or white "final solution" picture for individual relief who's bad or who's an angel, ok? That claim belongs to other persons and I dare saying I don't like this approach. Everybody has the right and the obligation to think for himself. This is quite difficult - especially since we are so used and conditioned to have others think for us - but it's the only path towards freedom.
If you ask my opinion, I think hoax boards are not important enough for bad or PR or commercial or tabloid media people to care (which might change). The boards are important enough for haters. They are important enough for Jermaine who reacted several times positively. They are important enough for good old Harvey who responded to some of our requests and because he linked to this board specifically. The rest is up to each one reading here.
That should be it for this aspect - I think we should return to the topic about DCM hugging and kissing his patients (patience). ;)
I only asked if you wanted to mention family or others Grace. Thank you for the detailed explanation. :) I get you so well and I agree with you. And I do think the family cares about the believers because if they didn't they would have said there was no hoax around and Michael was gone for real. But they didn't say anything like that. And they could close down the hoax forums but they didn't do anything like that too. So it's all good. And yes, let's go back to Connie issue. "HE SAVED ME" lol :D
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Did anyone else see that bulletin board when Murray opened the door? It looked like it said "He Saved Me" :? I would go back and screenshot it, but I'm in a rush right now
Edit: I just quickly did it anyway, here it is. A bit strange, no? :?
(http://i56.tinypic.com/286twut.jpg)
I have seen those messages in churches and religious hospitals.
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Hello everyone
Weird Video
How usual is it that you get a Kiss from your Doctor, but see for yourself.
http://www.khou.com/news/local/Conrad-M ... 86984.html (http://www.khou.com/news/local/Conrad-Murray-visits-Houston-patients-115386984.html)
Postet on 7. Feb. (giggle) Seven again.
Much love and peace to everyone.
Did he say : ''Making sure that I can make a difference, I love you all'' ??
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Hello everyone
Weird Video
How usual is it that you get a Kiss from your Doctor, but see for yourself.
http://www.khou.com/news/local/Conrad-M ... 86984.html (http://www.khou.com/news/local/Conrad-Murray-visits-Houston-patients-115386984.html)
Postet on 7. Feb. (giggle) Seven again.
Much love and peace to everyone.
Did he say : ''Making sure that I can make a difference, I love you all'' ??
Yes. He said "Making sure that I can make a difference, okay? I love you all" (I think he slurs that last part together and actually says "Ilove ya'll")
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Hello everyone
Weird Video
How usual is it that you get a Kiss from your Doctor, but see for yourself.
http://www.khou.com/news/local/Conrad-M ... 86984.html (http://www.khou.com/news/local/Conrad-Murray-visits-Houston-patients-115386984.html)
Postet on 7. Feb. (giggle) Seven again.
Much love and peace to everyone.
Did he say : ''Making sure that I can make a difference, I love you all'' ??
Yes. He said "Making sure that I can make a difference, okay? I love you all" (I think he slurs that last part together and actually says "Ilove ya'll")
hmm Make a difference like MAKE A CHANGE? Like his video on youtube, he is using Michael's words.
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Honestly, I don't think they care too much about us.
Grace, I'm trying to understand this. I might have got it wrong though. With "they" do you refer to the family? So you say, the family doesn't care about the believers and that is the reason why they keep the hoax forums open?
I was talking about every important person potentially being disturbed by hoax boards.
I am not coming to any conclusions about anybody and certainly not about the Jackson family.
Neither am I God to know what they are thinking or not nor would I find any pleasure in speculating about them.
Pure logic tells me when there's a plug to a pipe to stop water running through it, it will be used if someone wants the water to be stopped for which reason ever.
In this particular case the plug would be a decision communicated to a lawyer by a phonecall who writes a registered letter to a provider. It's a matter of 15 minutes. The plug would not be hackers sitting hours in front of a keyboard testing the efficiency of their brains.
That's my logic in this. Doesn't exclude that I am wrong.
I am also not giving a black or white "final solution" picture for individual relief who's bad or who's an angel, ok? That claim belongs to other persons and I dare saying I don't like this approach. Everybody has the right and the obligation to think for himself. This is quite difficult - especially since we are so used and conditioned to have others think for us - but it's the only path towards freedom.
If you ask my opinion, I think hoax boards are not important enough for bad or PR or commercial or tabloid media people to care (which might change). The boards are important enough for haters. They are important enough for Jermaine who reacted several times positively. They are important enough for good old Harvey who responded to some of our requests and because he linked to this board specifically. The rest is up to each one reading here.
That should be it for this aspect - I think we should return to the topic about DCM hugging and kissing his patients (patience). ;)
I only asked if you wanted to mention family or others Grace. Thank you for the detailed explanation. :) I get you so well and I agree with you. And I do think the family cares about the believers because if they didn't they would have said there was no hoax around and Michael was gone for real. But they didn't say anything like that. And they could close down the hoax forums but they didn't do anything like that too. So it's all good. And yes, let's go back to Connie issue. "HE SAVED ME" lol :D
purelove, you are absolutely right, they know all the forums. jermaine had twitted something on twitter, that we had written on this forum. I think i copy pasted into the jermaine twitter thread. They know we know that they know Michael is alive :lol: i wanted to put some humour into this.