Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: mjisthemuses on December 30, 2009, 10:12:23 PM
-
Hello,
I have been following the death hoax since the day one. After the hoax death site closed down then i didn't join until now. This is my first post after months, because I think everything is getting interesting now.
For me we have 3 interesting informations at this moment that we don't know until now that they are right or not, about blackorwhite from Italian site, freeadviceman from youtube, and Maura from hoax site.
Let me make some conclusion from what i've read: (even the story from freeadviceman is just a fiction but let say this is an important information, i just try to think maybe his fiction story is the truth or clue that purposely throw out)
1. They make sure that Michael is alive and he is alright and well (i take all of this as a clue that he is indeed alive)
2. They all tell that Michael has a serious reason to do this, the point is Michael is in danger or unhappy situation and he has to do this
3. In this hoax involved FBI or government or high level parties (at least from blackorwhite and freeadviceman)
4. Two of them, Maura and blackorwhite said that Michael will come back and he will explain everything by himself and at that time people will understand and will support him. Maura wants us to try to understand Michael, by that we will be able to find the truth. If we understand Michael and the reason he is doing this, we will find the truth. Blackorwhite lke mention this as well, if am not wrong. And blackorwhite asked us to follow all the clues-find as much as clues we can, and we will find the truth. And at the end Michael will explain and we will be so amazed of everything that he has done.
5. I can agree with some part of what freeadviceman told, but when he said that the children can't meet him anymore, I think it's impossible (so it's fiction). For me if Michael is alive, he will be with his children...he will disappear from all of his nasty enemies, but not from his children.
6. At the beginning I was like to trust blackorwhite, because what he/she said are make sense, really really make sense and explain all the questions. But when he/she throw out the video about the white SUV and Michael walking inside the house, suddenly which he/she claimed that it's at Enchino then said Tito's house, I was a bit confused, and suddenly think that she/he is fake. But I don't know for sure.
So, from all of these points, I have some questions that maybe you all can help to figure it out;
1. Do you guys think that all of these are clue for us? I mean maybe we have to take some from Maura, some from blackorwhite, and some from freeadviceman? Maybe they are giving us some right info and some false info to make us think and find out the truth? Because they seem like to tell us to think and find the truth about Michael.
2. Are they preparing us for Michael's come back? Because all of these came out almost the same time, and claimed almost the same things.
3. Do you think this is a film scenario, and we are inside this? Maybe what freeadviceman told us is the film scenario of this hoax???
4. How about 7 videos of the Dome Project that blackorwhite told us? Can we get the information from other source or he/she is the first person that said about it?
5. Regarding the same information between TMZ and blackorwite about FBI"s files.....how if they are they have the same source or they are the same person? I mean blackorwhite is TMZ (at least person from TMZ)? I think someone has mentions this before on other thread....?
6. And if you can guess, who are they actually?
So many things in my mind now, until I forgot what should i type here, but later on when i remember i will write some more, and maybe at this moment you guys can help me to figure all out and make some conclusion from these 3 information......
peace and love
-
I think that I'm the one wich told on the other thread that blackorwhite could be part of TMZ(or we've had the same idea :D )
I agree with you. They're maybe(maybe) not fake but it's maybe necessary that they plant some lies in the truths they're throwing . So that we continue searching , supporting ,waiting
And anyone can view internet so if she say too much Michael's cover could be blown before it's meant to be . Maybe ?
I think that their posts are like tabloids/articles ones . There is always a little(often microscopic) part of truth with some lies in it .The difference here is that
They are not trying to make money ou to make Mike looks ridiculous like the tabloids are often doing .
If I was part of the hoax I would do it that way . I would give slight clue with gross lies . So that only very aware people can recognize my good faith .
But that's just my opinion , that's surely not the most clever and better way to do it anyway and they're maybe just plain fake !
Let's wait January(Blackorwhite guess,right ?) and let's see if they feed us interesting things .
-
All three of them could have been following the hoax and getting info just like the rest of us and then making their own interpretations. Well, Maura was for sure following and investigating this whole thing. Blackorwhite is new to us, so it's hard to know what to think, but there are a few things I disagree with her, such as who Dave dave in LKL was, and those videos of the house MJ was seen in. The FBI file info , she could have read it first in TMZ and then given the info in the forum as if it were given to her. Or she could have gotten the info at same time as TMZ. Hard to know. As for there being news of the kids in Jan, I don't find that an astounding prediction... the will is suppused to be revoked, so yes, there will be news. And besides, I'm sure the paps will follow the kids for a couple of outings in jan, as they usually do, so that qualifies as "news" and makes her prediction true. Now, this freeadviceman person, he tells the story and then says it's fiction and illusion, but of all the ppl, he'd be the one I'd look more closely too. Coz if u listen to him in his videos, he doesn't seem like the type that would be glued to the computer getting every clue and reading everything about MJ... He makes me wonder... I'd like to hear what Maura found out too, but that's something she has to decide whether to tell or not.
-
i think, if we reconsider the whole thing, the WHY of the hoax, i think that's it's obnoxious on our part to presume that somebody in mortal danger ie. MJ, WOULD LEAVE ANY SORT OF CLUE BEHIND!!!!! and tweets from celebs, or family??? honestly, would they endanger him further by "leaving clues" , i'm afraid we all seem to be losing touch of reality here :(
-
I am sure some is being told to serve as a diversion.
-
i think, if we reconsider the whole thing, the WHY of the hoax, i think that's it's obnoxious on our part to presume that somebody in mortal danger ie. MJ, WOULD LEAVE ANY SORT OF CLUE BEHIND!!!!! and tweets from celebs, or family??? honestly, would they endanger him further by "leaving clues" , i'm afraid we all seem to be losing touch of reality here :(
And hence why the "ficticious" story by freeadviceman is seeming more and more plausable, coz in this version he did not do this coz he was in mortal danger from an enemy,,, if I understood it correctly, all the stress was getting to him and he was sick from other things too, and he didn't want his kids to see him die in front of their eyes. So he has distanced himself from them, is hopefully less stressed and might live a bit longer, but when the time comes, it might be "easier" for the kids coz they will have learned to live without him...
THAT'S how I interpret it........
-
I guess I missed freeadviceman....any link ?
-
I guess I missed freeadviceman....any link ?
U can read what freeadviceman wrote in the link to this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2520 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2520)
-
thank you
-
i think, if we reconsider the whole thing, the WHY of the hoax, i think that's it's obnoxious on our part to presume that somebody in mortal danger ie. MJ, WOULD LEAVE ANY SORT OF CLUE BEHIND!!!!! and tweets from celebs, or family??? honestly, would they endanger him further by "leaving clues" , i'm afraid we all seem to be losing touch of reality here :(
And hence why the "ficticious" story by freeadviceman is seeming more and more plausable, coz in this version he did not do this coz he was in mortal danger from an enemy,,, if I understood it correctly, all the stress was getting to him and he was sick from other things too, and he didn't want his kids to see him die in front of their eyes. So he has distanced himself from them, is hopefully less stressed and might live a bit longer, but when the time comes, it might be "easier" for the kids coz they will have learned to live without him...
THAT'S how I interpret it........
yeah....what we can do now is waiting blackorwhite coming back then see what he/she said, about Maura, hopefully she change her mind and want to share with us.
Something bother me about your opinion: So he has distanced himself from them, is hopefully less stressed and might live a bit longer......don't take it wrongly, i don't offend you, but i think Michael would be happier with his children right?
and : when the time comes, it might be "easier" for the kids coz they will have learned to live without him..., so you think that he knew he would die soon?
peace and love
-
I believe the "clues" will be cryptic, Michael is in hiding for a good reason. If he wanted all the facts to be known, he might as well list them a - z. But I'm sure there are reasons, that we might not even suspect.
If I were to learn something that could jeopardize him, but make everything clear to us, I WILL NOT reveal this information, for the sake of the investigation, unless I'm told otherwise told by only one person.
-
And maybe Jonellstar knows this too. Maybe she is making a video about that. She said something like: How many people do you know who can talk after their deaths? or something like that, so it is like she has contact with him. idk.
-
Really saying Michael will explain when he comes back is a no brainer. It doesn't mean that Maura or anyone else who says it knows something special. They don't need to be singled out.
-
I am sure some is being told to serve as a diversion.
my thoughts exactly,but if we are starring in a film will we be famous :lol: :lol:
-
Maura says now he will not come back. :?
-
Maura means he does not become back?
-
Maura means he does not become back?
sorry I don't understand that :oops: what do you mean?
-
@ Eva.R
Maura says he will not come back?
Acts to me very much suffer the translation :oops:
-
@ Eva.R
Maura says he will not come back?
Acts to me very much suffer the translation :oops:
I read it somewhere. I thought she had her own forum/blog thing now right? :)
-
You know what? Neither Maura, Blackorwhite nor freeadviceman know what MJ would or would not do. Yesterday, of all the "stories" freeadviceman is the one that got to me the most, and upset me.Because he doesn't seem the type to be obsessed by MJ and therefore his story might have been closer to the truth then any others.
But in reality, how do any of them know anything for sure?
Freeadviceman seemed to imply that MJ, coz of stress and illness, decided to do this so that his kids wouldn't see him die in front of their eyes. And to eliminate some stress from his life in regards to creditors on his back.
Today , I thought about it and i choose to believe that even if there might be some truth to this (and I'm not saying I think he's dying), he knows now that he can pay off his creditors, therefore eliminating a large part of his worries, and maybe he'll come back after all to be with his kids.
Someone wrote "wouldn't he be happier with his kids?" Yes, he would, but he might sacrifice his happiness for his kids if he thought they would be better off not seeing him die.... but if things are brighter now for him, he may not have to sacrifice at all...
-
If you read FreeAdviceMan's story carefully, pay real attention to some details and stop to think about them, you will immediatly disregard his message. Unless he wrote unplausible things on purpose, in order to make the readers confused, but I don't think so.
Maura - I don't know her, but I know she claimed she has now a solid proof of the hoax and so on, however, she can't share it with us. I'd like to know who gave her such a confidential information and how she knows that her source is reliable... it really would make things easier...
BlackorWhite - I didn't read it, so I still have no opinion, but I think that anyone could just gather the infos they read in the forums and rewrite it with their own words, but I really don't know.
-
but what about murray? Where does murray fits in the adviceman story? He forgot to mention murray...
one would think that a natural cause of death or a car accident would be a better way to hoax a death, so you dont have to involve anyone else in the mess...
-
but what about murray? Where does murray fits in the adviceman story? He forgot to mention murray...
one would think that a natural cause of death or a car accident would be a better way to hoax a death, so you dont have to involve anyone else in the mess...
Good point...
Now I'm feeling better :D
-
I was a time without coming here and I'm confused. lol! Who is Maura?
-
Hi
You can go to MJHD, DontBelieveTheHype posted a topic there "Message to TruthSeekerMaura".
I think it will give you some insight.
-
Dont know about the blaclorwhite theory
Freeadvice man....makes my eyes cross.
Maurra said she did not know but thought that he wouldnt come back,but that the world would know about the hoax-she believes. Just clarifying.
-
Hello,
I have been following the death hoax since the day one. After the hoax death site closed down then i didn't join until now. This is my first post after months, because I think everything is getting interesting now.
For me we have 3 interesting informations at this moment that we don't know until now that they are right or not, about blackorwhite from Italian site, freeadviceman from youtube, and Maura from hoax site.
Let me make some conclusion from what i've read: (even the story from freeadviceman is just a fiction but let say this is an important information, i just try to think maybe his fiction story is the truth or clue that purposely throw out)
1. They make sure that Michael is alive and he is alright and well (i take all of this as a clue that he is indeed alive)
2. They all tell that Michael has a serious reason to do this, the point is Michael is in danger or unhappy situation and he has to do this
3. In this hoax involved FBI or government or high level parties (at least from blackorwhite and freeadviceman)
4. Two of them, Maura and blackorwhite said that Michael will come back and he will explain everything by himself and at that time people will understand and will support him. Maura wants us to try to understand Michael, by that we will be able to find the truth. If we understand Michael and the reason he is doing this, we will find the truth. Blackorwhite lke mention this as well, if am not wrong. And blackorwhite asked us to follow all the clues-find as much as clues we can, and we will find the truth. And at the end Michael will explain and we will be so amazed of everything that he has done.
5. I can agree with some part of what freeadviceman told, but when he said that the children can't meet him anymore, I think it's impossible (so it's fiction). For me if Michael is alive, he will be with his children...he will disappear from all of his nasty enemies, but not from his children.
6. At the beginning I was like to trust blackorwhite, because what he/she said are make sense, really really make sense and explain all the questions. But when he/she throw out the video about the white SUV and Michael walking inside the house, suddenly which he/she claimed that it's at Enchino then said Tito's house, I was a bit confused, and suddenly think that she/he is fake. But I don't know for sure.
So, from all of these points, I have some questions that maybe you all can help to figure it out;
1. Do you guys think that all of these are clue for us? I mean maybe we have to take some from Maura, some from blackorwhite, and some from freeadviceman? Maybe they are giving us some right info and some false info to make us think and find out the truth? Because they seem like to tell us to think and find the truth about Michael.
2. Are they preparing us for Michael's come back? Because all of these came out almost the same time, and claimed almost the same things.
3. Do you think this is a film scenario, and we are inside this? Maybe what freeadviceman told us is the film scenario of this hoax???
4. How about 7 videos of the Dome Project that blackorwhite told us? Can we get the information from other source or he/she is the first person that said about it?
5. Regarding the same information between TMZ and blackorwite about FBI"s files.....how if they are they have the same source or they are the same person? I mean blackorwhite is TMZ (at least person from TMZ)? I think someone has mentions this before on other thread....?
6. And if you can guess, who are they actually?
So many things in my mind now, until I forgot what should i type here, but later on when i remember i will write some more, and maybe at this moment you guys can help me to figure all out and make some conclusion from these 3 information......
peace and love
I'm on freeadviceman's friend list, he once told me that Michael is in London suffering from terminal cancer.
-
I'm on freeadviceman's friend list, he once told me that Michael is in London suffering from terminal cancer.
OMG pls no. Don't let it be true God Nooooo :cry: :cry: :cry:
-
It doesn't make sense that the reason for his disappearance can be terminal cancer. Why go through everything and be separated (maybe) from his children and family to live his "final days" alone? Wouldn't he want to spend it with his loved ones?
Why will he want the world to remember him as a possible "drug addict", with an investigation hanging around? Because even if he was just using the drugs as medication, he knows the media will blow it out of proportion...?
-
It doesn't make sense that the reason for his disappearance can be terminal cancer. Why go through everything and be separated (maybe) from his children and family to live his "final days" alone? Wouldn't he want to spend it with his loved ones?
Why will he want the world to remember him as a possible "drug addict", with an investigation hanging around? Because even if he was just using the drugs as medication, he knows the media will blow it out of proportion...?
someone wrote this and it makes sense :(
all the stress was getting to him and he was sick from other things too, and he didn't want his kids to see him die in front of their eyes. So he has distanced himself from them, is hopefully less stressed and might live a bit longer, but when the time comes, it might be "easier" for the kids coz they will have learned to live without him...
-
It doesn't make sense that the reason for his disappearance can be terminal cancer. Why go through everything and be separated (maybe) from his children and family to live his "final days" alone? Wouldn't he want to spend it with his loved ones?
Why will he want the world to remember him as a possible "drug addict", with an investigation hanging around? Because even if he was just using the drugs as medication, he knows the media will blow it out of proportion...?
someone wrote this and it makes sense :(
all the stress was getting to him and he was sick from other things too, and he didn't want his kids to see him die in front of their eyes. So he has distanced himself from them, is hopefully less stressed and might live a bit longer, but when the time comes, it might be "easier" for the kids coz they will have learned to live without him...
I think if this is the case, the kids would be way more sad then they now are so I don't think that ;)
-
It doesn't make sense that the reason for his disappearance can be terminal cancer. Why go through everything and be separated (maybe) from his children and family to live his "final days" alone? Wouldn't he want to spend it with his loved ones?
Why will he want the world to remember him as a possible "drug addict", with an investigation hanging around? Because even if he was just using the drugs as medication, he knows the media will blow it out of proportion...?
someone wrote this and it makes sense :(
all the stress was getting to him and he was sick from other things too, and he didn't want his kids to see him die in front of their eyes. So he has distanced himself from them, is hopefully less stressed and might live a bit longer, but when the time comes, it might be "easier" for the kids coz they will have learned to live without him...
Do we know if this "someone" is even trustworthy? According to me, we do not know. And if you read the rest of the story where you copied that piece from - the story sounds very weird...? I do not believe this story....
-
I'm on freeadviceman's friend list, he once told me that Michael is in London suffering from terminal cancer.
OMG pls no. Don't let it be true God Nooooo :cry: :cry: :cry:
if this is right, we have to pray.....i have friend with terminal cancer, and doctor said he just can live for 2 months, but he is going better now and almost recover....it happened around 6 months ago, so...my friend still alive and well until now....
we pray for him then he will be alright....
-
if this is right, we have to pray.....i have friend with terminal cancer, and doctor said he just can live for 2 months, but he is going better now and almost recover....it happened around 6 months ago, so...my friend still alive and well until now....
we pray for him then he will be alright....
I pray for him every night for his safe and happiness .. :cry:
-
It doesn't make sense that the reason for his disappearance can be terminal cancer. Why go through everything and be separated (maybe) from his children and family to live his "final days" alone? Wouldn't he want to spend it with his loved ones?
Why will he want the world to remember him as a possible "drug addict", with an investigation hanging around? Because even if he was just using the drugs as medication, he knows the media will blow it out of proportion...?
someone wrote this and it makes sense :(
all the stress was getting to him and he was sick from other things too, and he didn't want his kids to see him die in front of their eyes. So he has distanced himself from them, is hopefully less stressed and might live a bit longer, but when the time comes, it might be "easier" for the kids coz they will have learned to live without him...
Do we know if this "someone" is even trustworthy? According to me, we do not know. And if you read the rest of the story where you copied that piece from - the story sounds very weird...? I do not believe this story....
Me too ! I don't believe in rumours or stories which lack proof, sorry !
-
I'm on freeadviceman's friend list, he once told me that Michael is in London suffering from terminal cancer.
Is freeadviceman's the same person that wrote the "fictional story"? If it is, I don't believe them. After reading his/her story I'm sure that he/she is just trying to mess with people's minds.
-
if he had cancer in London (I don't think that at all) then his kids are not sad at all. Look at the pics of them outside. they feel great!! (I am so happy about that!!)
-
Okay i will say this once and for all..... Stop mooking at TheFreeAdviseMan... None of you know him... I suggest you google him and read his story... I'm his friend and he is a very sweet and nice person, who lives a NORMAL life with his girlfriend and has friends around him.... Don't write or say bad things about people you don't know.... Period!
And who has said anything about cancer??????? What if it's something else....FACT: IT'S NOT CANCER GUYS....
-
Okay i will say this once and for all..... Stop mooking at TheFreeAdviseMan... None of you know him... I suggest you google him and read his story... I'm his friend and he is a very sweet and nice person, who lives a NORMAL life with his girlfriend and has friends around him.... Don't write or say bad things about people you don't know.... Period!
And who has said anything about cancer??????? What if it's something else....FACT: IT'S NOT CANCER GUYS....
If I remember correctly he is the one that brought up the cancer thing in his ''fictional'' story ?
And who says anyone is mocking him? Not all of us are just going to believe some guy on the internet with no solid proof and just a story even if he is your friend no offense.
Doesn't mean he is a horrible person or whatever it just means I don't believe stories like that without proof. That's all, don't take it so personal.. :)
-
Okay i will say this once and for all..... Stop mooking at TheFreeAdviseMan... None of you know him... I suggest you google him and read his story... I'm his friend and he is a very sweet and nice person, who lives a NORMAL life with his girlfriend and has friends around him.... Don't write or say bad things about people you don't know.... Period!
And who has said anything about cancer??????? What if it's something else....FACT: IT'S NOT CANCER GUYS....
If I remember correctly he is the one that brought up the cancer thing in his ''fictional'' story ?
And who says anyone is mocking him? Not all of us are just going to believe some guy on the internet with no solid proof and just a story even if he is your friend no offense.
Doesn't mean he is a horrible person or whatever it just means I don't believe stories like that without proof. That's all, don't take it so personal.. :)
Then i suggest people stop reading what he writes...
-
Ok,this thread started a conclusion theory linking these three sources. Some are in disagreement and some are taking this far too personal. FreeAdviceman is a valid person ,this I have been told. This is a story he sent someone and should not be causing an upset. This is a person who has a way with words and if the story is looked at very closley things could be derived from it. If I dont believe it fine,it doesnt mean I dislike the freeadviceman. Please dont fight amongst yourselves over the freeadviceman,I really hate locking topics.
The reason some are quickly dismissing it is because we have heard contradicting stories and similiar stories over the past six months. I understand everyone is tired but we cant throw the baby out with the bathwater.
The cancer story was (from what I observed)a seperate story that was handed to another member and they mentioned it within the comments of this thread. Please read ALL comments before linking the whole group in one mindset.