Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: GwenMadlyn on January 01, 2010, 02:10:54 PM
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Okay. So I'm new here, and I don't know if this was ever brought up.
Look at this picture.
(http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2008/01/23/1111115/385151-heath-ledger.jpg)
That is Heath Ledger being taken out of his apartment after being pronounced dead.
See the BLACK BODY BAG?
Now look at this picture.
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_R1BiF5yJhHM/SkTCpcZmFMI/AAAAAAAAA6s/1vJXT7a7QmI/Michael%20Jackson%20Body_thumb%5B9%5D.png?imgmax=800)
That is Michael Jackson being taken into the coroner's van, I believe.
See the WHITE SHEET?
Now at this point Michael was pronounced dead. Why on God's good earth would they put a white sheet over him instead of using a body bag? No, that's not a trick question, I don't know the answer and I don't know how exactly this relates to the death hoax. But really? Why would he get different treatment from any other dead man? Maybe it's because he's not dead? Let me know what you think.
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I do not know the use there....
I investigated and it blue corpse bags are also used
Obviously no uniform thing
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It was discussed that usually there are blue plastic bags with a top zipper being in use.
Reason: there may be liquids leaving the body.
If I remember right, *Michael...L.O.V.E.* (whoever is that) stated on LKL blog that these white sheets were from MJ's house.
And I remember that days after 6/25 there was the family taking truckwise goods out of the mansion and in media they were referred to as "taking toys and sheets out".
Oh and white means "innocent".
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Heath Ledger was in New York.. MJ was in La La Land.. that may make a difference.
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i think a black bag is used for the removal of a body from a house, and the white sheet is used when it's being removed from a hospital or any other medical related building such as coroner... but it's what i think, maybe not fact at all
and the blue bag would be used for removing a body on the street
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Not only is there the body bag discrepancy, but just look at all the papparazi in the background on Heath's picture.
Compare that to MJ. Is it just me or is it weird that all this footage seems to come just from the helicopter overhead?
Oh, and why did it take 2 months to bury him when Heath and Brittany were buried right away?
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I believe Heath died in NYC if I am not mistaken...there are many different colors/styles of bodybags...hospitals often use 'shrouds' which are a thin plastic sheet that is tied around the ankles, waste and neck area of the body. There is no standard shroud/body bag across the nation ;)
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Not only is there the body bag discrepancy, but just look at all the papparazi in the background on Heath's picture.
Compare that to MJ. Is it just me or is it weird that all this footage seems to come just from the helicopter overhead?
Oh, and why did it take 2 months to bury him when Heath and Brittany were buried right away?
Yes, I agree completely.
There seems to be no ground-level shot of this moment, no pictures showing the stretcher being taken into the van, etc. Which is EXTREMELY strange.
That is so weird. The autopsies were delayed and delayed some more, and then the toxicology reports took FOREVER.
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And why isn't the body strapped down especially during transport.
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And why isn't the body strapped down especially during transport.
Mhm. Many many questions.
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I do not know the use there....
I investigated and it blue corpse bags are also used
Obviously no uniform thing
Yes, I know that blue bags are used.
Black and blue mean two different things, but it's never just a plain white sheet.
He also isn't strapped down while being transported
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97. Michael Jackson was rolled out of the helicopter covered in a white sheet (that didn’t really look like it had a body underneath it IMO.), They normally have a blue thicker material they cover the body with. Or sometimes a black bag, depending on location and circumstances I suppose. But never a white sheet. Generally whatever is covering the body has text on it like LA County Coroner or something of that nature. This was just a white sheet with no identifying markers on it of any kind.
http://mjtruth.wordpress.com/the-weird-list/ (http://mjtruth.wordpress.com/the-weird-list/)
The weird list. This basically explains what I'm trying to say. :mrgreen:
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That's true the body was not strapped down during transportation. Why didn't they put the body in the blue bag before transport, since they were going to coroner's office. Also, did you notice the men getting in and out of van and the men walking around like they didn't know what to do. I wonder what they were doing inside the van. Too many unanswered questions.
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well, here is a link for a video in youtube that it explains (i guess :P) about the non-security to the transport of the body or why we don't see when they take the black bands before getting the suposedly death body into the van.
and about the blue/black/sheet cover, you can see the blue bag on the stretcher that cames out of the van.. but they don't use it!
Lot of L.O.V.E and sorry about my english :s
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This is the body bag used by the L.A Coroner
http://archive.dailytidings.com/2008/1226/images/1226_santa-shooting6.jpg
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Also, did you notice the men getting in and out of van and the men walking around like they didn't know what to do. I wonder what they were doing inside the van.
They were having a party LOL - no honestly, they were swarming in and out like a bee hive.
As if they had to get last minute orders (so not knowing what to do).
You could say that celebrities are not a rare species in L.A.
Further celebrities' deaths are not uncommon in L.A.
Right?
So usually also with an unusual case of death you would assume the persons in charge of duty would be trained and know what to do when?
So why not in this case?
I would say because it was the most unusual exception that they ever had to face in their job.
All of this given the case that the filmed material REALLY comes from UCLA, the coroner's and Forest Lawn - which we have no proof of. Helis may be rented for any movie in L.A., ambulances and all other equipment as well.
So remaining two alternatives:
* it was filmed on the right spots of attention with the real people in charge - then they (strangely) did not know what to do;
* it was not filmed on the real sites and then we are talking actors getting their last instructions on the storybook.
Anyway, after all, I don't think it does matter whether they were actors or real people.
The effect was the same.
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If,and I repeat IF MJ converted to Islam then this would explain the white sheet I think.Isn't this a Muslim thing?
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I dont wanna be negative but if you look good to the 2 pictures you see the footend is the same.Maybe a white bodybag?Can somone maybe zoom in?Thanks.
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it just looks so wrong to me never seen a body transported like that before what would have happened it somebody tripped doesnt bear thinking about.
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http://www.seaservices.com/t/
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Only bodybags when a body is found on a crimescene... If he died at a hospital he will be wrapped in a sheet..
So above is the explanation, but this counts for ´normal´ ppl... This was Michael Jackson and he was being transported with a helicopter to get the body examend.... Would this explain why they showed the body like this in a white sheet, it is more obvious and they did not have to show his body during the memorial to the publik...
Why this dramatic thouch to everything....... No I get it!!!...
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Even though this was apparently the body of Michael Jackson all cases are treated infectious for blood borne pathogens hence the use of a body bag. We can clearly see that the guys transporting Heaths body are wearing gloves I wonder if this was the same in Michael case but, it’s difficult to tell from the aerial shot. In the book, "Death Scene Investigation: A Field Guide “states that some pathologist recommends that the body be wrapped in a clean white sheet because trace evidence can be lost in a large body bag. Interestingly the book also states that a method of transporting a body would be to firstly wrap the body in a clean sheet then place it in a clean body bag.
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To me it seems like MJ is wrapped in plastic.. His feets are sticking up, and it looks damn uncomfortable.
His body is too stiff, and seems like arms are ripped off, and his head.. Guess its fake.
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http://www.seaservices.com/t/
Yes there are such things as white body bags, but someone else also posted a picture of the body bags the LA Coroner traditionally uses; a blue body bag.
I'm not really sure at this point if it has anything to do with the hoax, but it still doesn't make much sense to me.
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I do not know the use there....
I investigated and it blue corpse bags are also used
Obviously no uniform thing
Not just black or blue but white bodybags as well.I google searched it and found out that body bags come in white colour too. I have seen it in a movie too. But in Michael's case, I think it's a sheet adn not bodybag.....
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@ liril
Yes, I meant in addition also black or blue ........ ;)
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I do not know the use there....
I investigated and it blue corpse bags are also used
Obviously no uniform thing
Not just black or blue but white bodybags as well.I google searched it and found out that body bags come in white colour too. I have seen it in a movie too. But in Michael's case, I think it's a sheet adn not bodybag.....
But why? The LA Coroner typically uses blue.
I mean, I think. I can't really find information that sets that in stone. But it's just unusual that he was only covered with a sheet. It just seemed.. off.
http://ic2.pbase.com/u4/yalop/upload/20315467.48400013w.jpg
I don't know where this photo is, or even who it is for that matter, but this is obviously a white/clear bag, strapped down to the stretcher. There's another question: why was MJ only strapped down while in the helicopter. They seemed to transport his body a lot so wouldn't they want to keep him on the stretcher? Hmm?
http://www.trevorowenltd.com/images/body_bag_plaintop.jpg
I found a photo of this bag, but it's called a 'pandemic body bag'. For those of you who don't know what that means, a pandemic is an epidemic of an infectious disease spreading across a wide area, sort of like a plague, if you will. If MJ was in this bag, then what the hell was he doing in that bag?? Last time I checked, he didn't die of a widespread human disease. Now this may just be a coincidence that this white bag is called this, it may have NOTHING to do with MJ, so don't take that the wrong way.
If you Google search 'white body bag', the first hit is Wikipedia, and if you read it, they actually don't mention a body bag that is white. They say "typical colours include orange, blue, or grey." Here's the link if you're interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_bag If you look at the shopping section, the first hit is "Post-Mortem Body Bag with ID Tag, White". For all of you non-Latin students out there, post mortem means 'after death'.
So I could be TOTALLY looking into this more than I have to, but it just doesn't add up.
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With all respect to everyone...if your belief in the hoax hinges on the white body bag, then I need someone to clarify this one question for me, which I have asked several times with no answers.
If there really is a hoax, why on earth would MJ actually be in that bag on that stretcher?
It makes no sense.
If he is alive, he would be on that stretcher...BREATHING. Do you think no one would notice that?
And when it comes out of the chopper and gets put in the coroner's van, have you not seen that part of the video where they are lifting up the body to pull out the board it is on? They totally manhandle that "body." Watch the video if you don't know what I'm talking about. If MJ is actually there, I think it would become apparent to everyone present that he was alive.
I do not believe MJ was in the white body bag or sheet or whatever it is on that stretcher, because there is absolutely no reason for him to be there. It was a dummy or it was someone else.
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With all respect to everyone...if your belief in the hoax hinges on the white body bag, then I need someone to clarify this one question for me, which I have asked several times with no answers.
If there really is a hoax, why on earth would MJ actually be in that bag on that stretcher?
It makes no sense.
If he is alive, he would be on that stretcher...BREATHING. Do you think no one would notice that?
And when it comes out of the chopper and gets put in the coroner's van, have you not seen that part of the video where they are lifting up the body to pull out the board it is on? They totally manhandle that "body." Watch the video if you don't know what I'm talking about. If MJ is actually there, I think it would become apparent to everyone present that he was alive.
I do not believe MJ was in the white body bag or sheet or whatever it is on that stretcher, because there is absolutely no reason for him to be there. It was a dummy or it was someone else.
I agree - if he was visibly breathing, SOMEONE would've noticed it by now. Plus, a body that is being handled that roughly would surely shift and move around a bit - and not straps?? Many questions. But no, my beLIEf does not hinge on this, it was just another unanswered question.
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Well let me first state that the pic of "MJ's Body" is not a body at all....honestly look at it looks like a damn board...hence y no1 took shots from ground level cuz it wud b to easy to spot.....2nd well u dnt need a blue/black bag for a living body....;-)....3rd thoose men were just walking around like airheads smh........
So in my opinion.......either these pple really had absolutely NO RESPECT for MJ....or duh he's alive(:-):-):-):-):-D)
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They probably had pillows or something under the sheet.
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With all respect to everyone...if your belief in the hoax hinges on the white body bag, then I need someone to clarify this one question for me, which I have asked several times with no answers.
If there really is a hoax, why on earth would MJ actually be in that bag on that stretcher?
It makes no sense.
If he is alive, he would be on that stretcher...BREATHING. Do you think no one would notice that?
And when it comes out of the chopper and gets put in the coroner's van, have you not seen that part of the video where they are lifting up the body to pull out the board it is on? They totally manhandle that "body." Watch the video if you don't know what I'm talking about. If MJ is actually there, I think it would become apparent to everyone present that he was alive.
I do not believe MJ was in the white body bag or sheet or whatever it is on that stretcher, because there is absolutely no reason for him to be there. It was a dummy or it was someone else.
there is a video when he was breathing on that stretcher .. :?
but I don't know it's fake or what .. :roll:
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I do not know the use there....
I investigated and it blue corpse bags are also used
Obviously no uniform thing
Yes I also know that, they use blue body bag or black....because they're "photo-friendly". Because, usually, you could see all the body fluids through the white sheets..
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I do not know the use there....
I investigated and it blue corpse bags are also used
Obviously no uniform thing
Yes I also know that, they use blue body bag or black....because they're "photo-friendly". Because, usually, you could see all the body fluids through the white sheets..
THough that is true, it wasn't necessarily a bag. Look at the photo: it appears to be just a sheet draped over his body and tucked in underneath?
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I do not know the use there....
I investigated and it blue corpse bags are also used
Obviously no uniform thing
Yes I also know that, they use blue body bag or black....because they're "photo-friendly". Because, usually, you could see all the body fluids through the white sheets..
THough that is true, it wasn't necessarily a bag. Look at the photo: it appears to be just a sheet draped over his body and tucked in underneath?
yep. good it wasn't that much wind there....*ooops*