Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: Zen on January 02, 2010, 07:46:32 PM

Title: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: Zen on January 02, 2010, 07:46:32 PM
Ok, folks, this is not necessarily MY theory, but talked at length with an person who had once
worked with Elvis when I was in Memphis last weekend.
While I have to admit, on one hand I want to change my screen name to post this, and on the
other, in the very deep recessive of my mind, I have wondered over the years myself this same
thing.  
I also realize that Souza has posted on TWIN theory so this is similar but not the same?

IS the Michael Jackson of the 1990's and after, the Michael Jackson of the l980's?  This theory
does not purport that Michael Jackson died, but rather was too shy and stressed very much
before and oftentimes during performances.   Though it is his RECORDED voice being used
it is not him we have seen since he became white, an very artistic dancer who became Michael Jackson.
The CD's are of voice of REAL Michael Jackson.  

So, that is what this person talked of and I do not believe, but found of interest because:
I looked again at Michael's height from before and after this time and did find discrepancies.
In early pictures with Diana Ross, he seems about 3' taller and she is 5'4.  There are some early
pictures where he appears shorter with Brook Shields, though she is nearly 6" and may have had
heels on.
Different documents have him at 5'9" to 5'11", and he later looks to be 5'11, but I have found
many pictures where he looks to be 5'9 or even 5'7".

So ignore this post if you choose or share your comments.  Just thought it interesting and new
clues are slow.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: Zen on January 02, 2010, 07:51:42 PM
The below link is very sad reading by Randy Taraborrelli, and describes Michael on prescription
drugs.  It also has shows early pictures of Michael with Diana Ross and Randy T.
Many other links from article for your reading information.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: Zen on January 02, 2010, 07:52:03 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... dying.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1196188/Michael-Jacksons-life-long-confidante-J-Randy-Taraborrelli-I-saw-eyes-dying.html)
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 02, 2010, 07:59:42 PM
Im confused how someone who used to work with Elvis would know this?

Are you saying this person KNOWS this.. or its just a theory of theirs.  What is the connection with Elvis?
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: bec on January 02, 2010, 08:01:26 PM
I would say my mind is open to all posibilities of twins, doubles, and DOPPLEGANGERS...

(lol)

TII injected doubles into the rhetoric, why?

There's a reason here. We are missing something very obvious and very important and it bugs me like crazy that it's right on the tip of my brain and I can't grab it. That person in the ambulance pic was not dead nor was the person on that stretcher going into ucla ER.... I'm inclined to believe both persons were Michael Jackson but I'm certainly open minded enough to accept and kick around all ideas.

I still say NO ONE died on 6-25. I still say Michael Jackson the person we know exists and is alive and well. Whether there are two of them or even more (I say there's a posibility of 2 separate doubles in TII but I don't see any DOPPLEGANGERS in the film, though that's point of a DOPPLEGANGER I suppose.)

Ok I'm at my daily quota.

I don't think Michael will ever come clean about the presense of a.... that word I can't say again, so the hoax will have to be revealed independent of some facts. We will never know the whole story likely.

All is irrelevant if he doesn't get his punk ass back though. The message needs a messenger, and only he can properly deliver it to it's intended audience.... and only he can do that by revealing the hoax to the world.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on January 02, 2010, 09:07:09 PM
I have often wondered if Mike we've seen since after BAD era was infact Mike, and he just got tired of performing on stage? What has even made me think this maybe possible is that O2 Mike could be the REAL Mike, Remember K.O says We'll meet the man we never knew?
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: i_need YoU on January 02, 2010, 09:58:27 PM
i got all watery eyed reading hta article  :cry:  i remember when i watched that i missed school just to watch the final verdict and my brother said someone was going to get mad that he got not guilty on all charges and probably shoot him...and reading that article brought back all the fear i felt for him in that 2005 trial...he was safe from being put in prison but not safe from all the haters afterwards. I was shaking and feared for Michael life. I was 13 and knew the dangers of what could happen with him, I was in fear for someone elses life that i did not know because my er my moms husband is a sick man  umm nvm i cant even say it...but i always knew Michael would never do that ever!!! Michael my goodness I LOVE FOREVER AND EVER NO MATTER WHERE LIFE TAKES YOU, I WILL BE THERE!!! Please you have  inspired me to continue no matter how hard it gets in life...if u were able to go through that and still go on that meant so much to me Michael LOVE YOU MORE
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: Zen on January 02, 2010, 10:14:04 PM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/ ... _popup.jpg (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/29/article-1196395-006E2C0000000258-242_468x627_popup.jpg)
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: King_Michael on January 02, 2010, 10:53:24 PM
So this other Michael has kids and the real Mike doesn't, also about him becoming more of a dancer I mean the black Michael did the moonwalk so I don't know but hey thats your theory and it's nice to read fresh ideas, but I think all of this extra stuff should take a backseat to why Michael did this was he in danger and from who? I guess we will all know in due time

PEACE and L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: Mariso83 on January 02, 2010, 10:59:06 PM
No double, not twin. It's always been the REAL Michael Jackson since 29-08-1958.
His real height is 5'9''. If sometimes his height is 5'11'' it's because he is wearing boots with 2'' heels. That's it.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: bec on January 03, 2010, 02:29:50 AM
Lol yes double, twin, doppleganger, whatever the term, YES, it is true.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: i_need YoU on January 03, 2010, 02:55:05 AM
i cant believe that for one second...michael couldnt have had a twin or someone to just completly take over while he lived a normal life...can someone tell me how it could be possible for that to even be a option and where it actually makes sense
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: mumof3 on January 03, 2010, 03:06:27 AM
I don't believe it. Sorry
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: bec on January 03, 2010, 05:07:23 AM
Having a double is a very legitimate REAL world thing that most high profile public figures do, especially high security figures and leaders of nations. This is not fantasy land. Open your mind and think outside the box and you'll start to realise this theory begins to answer many of the unanswered questions and weirdness regarding the entire Michael Jackson phenominon. Michael would be stupid not to retain a double. It is fantasy land to believe he didn't.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: Datroot on January 03, 2010, 06:11:31 AM
I agree stars have used doubles for decades - its nothing new.  Using a double is one thing, but a twin no-one ever knew existed is another.  I can go for the first option but the second, I can't accept.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: anne.mj on January 03, 2010, 06:16:59 AM
I think he looked taller since Bad era. maybe because his body figure changed because he always dance. I mean he looked taller because of his body figure.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: wendst6 on January 03, 2010, 10:25:54 AM
Hi, I`m new here, sorry, but my english is not so good, I hope you understand me :oops:  But now have a look of the Picture. Lokk of the Hair and the Nose.

This Pics is from real Bad Video.

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/7144/badt.jpg (http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/7144/badt.jpg)

on 1.53 is coming the other MJ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbd0wxGH_Lw&feature=fvw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbd0wxGH_Lw&feature=fvw)

The picture is of the same date.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4262/kathrine.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4262/kathrine.jpg)

...and now have a look of this Picture

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9666/mandela.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9666/mandela.jpg)

What you mean, is this all a Twin or a double?
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on January 03, 2010, 10:37:58 AM
Until everything is revealed nobody will know the true answer, but it is a possibility that he had double, if you think of the movies, for dangerous scenes actors have body doubles, what's to say that Mike didn't go one step further, and pay for somebody to have surgery to look like him?
Has anyone seen the film Face Off? I'm not saying it is exactly the same, but Travolta was able to take Cage's face and make people believe he was cage.
I read somewhere before Mike 'died' that presidents have had doubles to stand in for them, when there could be a potential threat on their life.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: wendst6 on January 03, 2010, 10:56:12 AM
yes, Im agree, but BAD is from a long Time ago. It is possible that he had since been a perfect double? I dont know.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: Mariso83 on January 03, 2010, 11:51:44 AM
I still 100000000000000000% sure Michael has no twin and no double.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: i_need YoU on January 03, 2010, 02:51:22 PM
i know he had a double in the They Dont Care About Us video on the balcony to distract fans but i don't see him using a double to do anything else but work for him in music videos or dangerous scenes...thats it   Peace LOVE and happiness to you all
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on January 03, 2010, 03:14:08 PM
If Mike had no double, that means O2 IS Mike?
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on January 03, 2010, 03:17:38 PM
How Many times have we actually seen the full UNMASKED face of Michael since 98, Mostly only seeing the eyes, how do we know that the face is actually Mike, As for somebody saying about his kids being seen with what may be the double, how do we know when they masked, that they were infact the same kids?
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: i_need YoU on January 03, 2010, 04:32:31 PM
yes the o2 guy was Mr. Jackson...he acted differently and his voice was deeper, and he had a gangster walk but i think he was just excited and pumped up to announce this to the world...and for the accent?..it sounded like he had a cold or something heehee like he had a stuffy nose...but the red bracelet on his left wrist says it all :)...I LOVE YOU MORE MR.JACKSON
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: hopehelps on January 03, 2010, 05:47:54 PM
he could have had doubles at some time. but to have a twin is a tottaly different story. it is hard to believe. but i think him having doubles is possible.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: i_need YoU on January 03, 2010, 06:07:54 PM
Quote from: "hopehelps"
he could have had doubles at some time. but to have a twin is a tottaly different story. it is hard to believe. but i think him having doubles is possible.
agree with you but i think he only used doubles when absolutely neccessary to do so..such as stunts and stuff, he wouldnt do it to play mind games with peopl. maybe to get away from paparrazi or stunts in music videos but not like to just live out his life or anything...twin theory cracks me up :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: PinkTopaz on January 03, 2010, 09:53:21 PM
A blood relative twin seems possible.. sometimes his earlobes look different.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: i_need YoU on January 03, 2010, 10:14:55 PM
Quote from: "PinkTopaz"
A blood relative twin seems possible.. sometimes his earlobes look different.
how is that possible hiding Michaels twin for his whole life from the world...its not like they were planning on Michael needing a twin doble whatev in the future...If i were Michaels twin and they just used me for Michael well being i would be upset...especially if i had to go through surgeries and what if they didnt have vitiligo like michael?...im just saying i dont think Michael would ever make a relative do such a thing just for his well being..Michael is not selfish in that way at all...IMO...Peace to You though, I want to say this in advance because ppl seem to be on edge

I'm not trying to start arguement or anything, I'm not being sarcastic, or trying to make fun of your opinions in any way. I am just simply trying to explain to myself out loud on if its possible or not...thank you for all of your opinion

spread the love L.O.V.E. one person at a time!!! :D
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: tadawson0177 on January 04, 2010, 02:04:04 AM
I have been watching a lot of you tube videos about this death hoax and body doubles. Honestly, I never gave it a thought and now it is consuming my thought, I even dream about it. After all these videos I can say that there is no way that the guy making the announcements about the London concerts is Michael. Look at side by side pictures. His chin in particular. It is actually longer, from bottom of lip to bottom of chin. Also, I don't know for sure, but has anyone noticed the video of Michael in New York after 9/11. He looks so much "fuller". I not sure what other word to use but he has a larger frame. Michael is usually somewhat small framed, and very very lean. Maybe its my imagination and I don't know how this fits in but it has been bothering me. I mean look at him in the You are not alone video, very lean.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: steffmaster1 on January 04, 2010, 03:31:54 AM
yeah maybe his diet tho or is that a cover up for doubles being used etc that bad video thing is that true? really a double wow that was impressive i had no clue!!
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on January 04, 2010, 04:39:56 AM
If you have any doubts - watch my video about Mike's operations.
I used Photoshop to make changes in the Afro-Era-Michael's face and compared it with the "white" Michael.
This is the same person and the same face!!! (except the nose and the hair  ;)  )
Sorry to disappoint some of you... LOL  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/godena (http://www.youtube.com/godena)  :)
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: farhatmjj on January 04, 2010, 06:47:37 AM
Sorry but i can not buy it. I don't think Michael would "use" his twin brother or anyone like that, just to live a life he wants. I know it kinda sounds like those who keep on saying "Michael would never fake his death" lmao but this is really something else! It's controlling, directing or should i say ruining one's life for your own comforts that Michael in my opinion would never do. Think about the twin or double, how would he hide his own identity for so long and so easily that no one ever had doubts? It's just not possible if you think practically. Having doubles for few events is possible but a twin for a lifetime, sorry i can't believe that. I just want to state that i just said what i believe and am not forcing or telling anyone to change what they believe. Peace. :)
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: Lou on January 04, 2010, 08:35:37 AM
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
If you have any doubts - watch my video about Mike's operations.
I used Photoshop to make changes in the Afro-Era-Michael's face and compared it with the "white" Michael.
This is the same person and the same face!!! (except the nose and the hair  ;)  )
Sorry to disappoint some of you... LOL  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/godena (http://www.youtube.com/godena)  :)
Hi, I agree with you that it's the same person (MJ) all the time. I think it's possible that he rented someone to work as his double sometimes. That would explain why sometimes we think that he looks "different". Another possibility is that he used to wear heavy makeup to make his face look different from time to time, in order to make it difficult for people to recognize him, due to privacy issues. They say he likes disguises, don't they? IDK, I'm just guessing. Anyway, it's an interesting point. When I came accross the following pictures, I came to the conclusion that his face didn't change that much over the years, so maybe there was a double working for him, only when he needed it - but not replacing him.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: onemorechance on January 04, 2010, 10:13:36 AM
Quote from: "tadawson0177"
I have been watching a lot of you tube videos about this death hoax and body doubles. Honestly, I never gave it a thought and now it is consuming my thought, I even dream about it. After all these videos I can say that there is no way that the guy making the announcements about the London concerts is Michael. Look at side by side pictures. His chin in particular. It is actually longer, from bottom of lip to bottom of chin. Also, I don't know for sure, but has anyone noticed the video of Michael in New York after 9/11. He looks so much "fuller". I not sure what other word to use but he has a larger frame. Michael is usually somewhat small framed, and very very lean. Maybe its my imagination and I don't know how this fits in but it has been bothering me. I mean look at him in the You are not alone video, very lean.
I don't know. But did you look at his hands? His palm particularly, it's the same to me.
This pic is supposed to proved the opposite, but for me it's clear: these two hands are the same... (the right hand belongs to the O2 "guy" who is of course Mike.)
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: Hennessy on January 04, 2010, 01:15:49 PM
I have spent some serious time looking at his pictures from the 80 till now........his ears not always match that is a fact! Different height en different hands, eyebrows seem to "morph" sometimes too.

Its not that difficult to find somebody look very close to you (even easier if you are Michael Jackson). How many Hollywood actors look a like? We all have  at least one person walking the earth look a lot like us, have nothing to do with the doppelgangers only science.

Something to illustrate my thought:
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/143688/ ... other.html (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/143688/top_150_actors_that_resemble_each_other.html)
http://www.funlobby.com/index.php/Celeb ... Other.html (http://www.funlobby.com/index.php/Celebrities-Who-Resemble-Each-Other.html)
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: Zen on January 04, 2010, 10:07:04 PM
Hi, I started this post with a theory that I actually got from someone else, thoughts that
had crept into my mind over the years.  I am only 4 years younger than Michael, so it's not
just me going through old pictures but more like REquestioning things earlier on.
It IS possible, especially when the argument for his height difference being he wore 2" heels.
We ALL wear shoes of difference heights occasionally, but I never adjust my TRUE height
for documents.  
So I look at old pictures of Michael with Diana Ross and she is 5'4".  He does not look that
much taller, but later looks much taller to Lisa Marie who is 5'3".  

But everyone has good points on this and I am speculating on this as well.   :|

Also, one more thing, this theory did not involve a twin from birth, it involved a second person
who was/is also muli-talented.  And could be a "brother" of sorts.  Thats my last post on this,
unless new things come to light.    :|
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: Crescendo on January 05, 2010, 04:11:26 AM
Quote from: "TheKingWillReturn"
I have often wondered if Mike we've seen since after BAD era was infact Mike, and he just got tired of performing on stage? What has even made me think this maybe possible is that O2 Mike could be the REAL Mike, Remember K.O says We'll meet the man we never knew?

i really have questioned too whether the thriller Michael was the same as the bad-invinicible michael. BUT i really do believe Michael has been Michael throughout the years. Really he has always sung and danced the same. no one can dance quite like mj.

the height thing, michael used to wear loafers and cowboy boots. soemtimes the cowboy boots had bit of heel on them. could be the reason why Michael look taller sometimes.

also michaels clothes can make him look tall or short. his high water pants made him look short and soemtimes his black pants and boots gave him a very tall appearance. michael knew how to work certain things like bringing attention to things. which is why he wore high water pants and white socks so as to bring attention to his feet. it worked.

but i do believe Michael has always been michael. of course there are impersonators which look similar but still not exactly like Mj.

and like ive said before, if Michael had a twin, joe would have made him be part of the J5 as well.

So Michael Jackson=Michael Jackson

IMO. :)
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: hopehelps on January 06, 2010, 10:42:46 PM
Quote from: "i_need YoU"
Quote from: "hopehelps"
he could have had doubles at some time. but to have a twin is a tottaly different story. it is hard to believe. but i think him having doubles is possible.
agree with you but i think he only used doubles when absolutely neccessary to do so..such as stunts and stuff, he wouldnt do it to play mind games with peopl. maybe to get away from paparrazi or stunts in music videos but not like to just live out his life or anything...twin theory cracks me up :lol:  :lol:
yeah totally. he may have needed a double when it was absolutey neccsary. but a the twin theory makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: Sangre on January 07, 2010, 07:50:46 AM
Basically you are saying the Michael Jackson we loved was just a mask, an actor. I hate feeling like this...

I'm open to new theories, but I'm sorry, I think this one goes too far. So far that I cannot believe this.
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: Leah on January 07, 2010, 12:40:03 PM
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
If you have any doubts - watch my video about Mike's operations.
I used Photoshop to make changes in the Afro-Era-Michael's face and compared it with the "white" Michael.
This is the same person and the same face!!! (except the nose and the hair  ;)  )
Sorry to disappoint some of you... LOL  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/godena (http://www.youtube.com/godena)  :)


Hey, i havnt posted on this forum yet but i do check it every day and i have been with the forum since the start but i thought i should start saying my opinions...

I PERSONALLY think the whole "michael jackson has a twin/double" is a ridiculous conspiracy, thats in my opinion... nothing against people who think otherwise(i dont want to upset anyone), i think people think these things as they take bits of what they think evidence for example his height into acount and get things all wrong... every picture taken of him is going to be different, different angles(which can make people seem taller)... also if you look at the shoes he wears they sometimes have quite a high heel on which i seen some 1 post about a heel being 2 inch which is true. as you can see from this picture....

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos ... 90-440.jpg (http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7700000/blanket-prince-paris-michael-prince-michael-jackson-7754364-490-440.jpg) ( you can see the heel )

Also about his weight... people do put on weight and loose it... its very easy to do lol. In my opinion michael would NEVER have some one else living his life, that would be selfish and everyone would agree with me that michael is NOT a selfish person... yes he might have had a double to do a stunt for him which was dangerous but not anything else...
His dancing is his dancing, his singing is his singing....

I would also just like to say to VeryLittleSusie, what a great video you made.... it anoys me so much when people say his appearence changed from surgery + stuff.... to me he looks the SAME, every one has to grow up and age (y)

This is my opinion i dont want to upset any one over it....

L.O.V.E  :)
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: Crescendo on January 07, 2010, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: "Leah"

also about his weight... people do put on weight and loose it... its very easy to do lol. In my opinion michael would NEVER have some one else living his life, that would be selfish and everyone would agree with me that michael is NOT a selfish person... yes he might have had a double to do a stunt for him which was dangerous but not anything else...
His dancing is his dancing, his singing is his singing....

Dont worry Leah. You didnt upset anyone. :D  btw Welcome to the forum officially. :)

I agree with you. I dont think Michael would use doubles on stage because that was where Michael said he felt the best. He loved being on stage. Why would he use an impersonator for something he loves doing? Singing and dancing. Therefore I believe Michael has always been Michael. The same little boy who belted out "Who's lovin' you" the handsome man who sang "Don't stop til you get enough" to "Bad" to "Heal the World" to "You rock my world" was all Michael Jackson.

I wouldn't put it past Michael, however, if Michael wanted to go out in public (maybe the mall or zoo or even to an adult shop) and he might hire an impersonator to distract the press. Although what may disprove is that is there is a video of Michael (his face covered up though for a second his face is visible) comin out of an adult shop. So even as personal as that, Michael didn't use a decoy. It was him but covered up instead.

so Michael is Michael. IMO

with L.O.V.E. always
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: Dancing_Machine on January 07, 2010, 05:11:19 PM
Why on earth would the recent Michael be another man than the one in the '80's??
Doesnt make any sense at all. These kind of posts can piss me of a little  :x

I think people shouldnt act like he's an alien who lives on a completely diferent planet or whatever.
He's a just normal man who is a big humanitarian with a beautiful loving heart who happens to work as an entertainer. He has to deal with a crazy industry with a lot of evil people and bloodsuckers.
But that DOES NOT mean he would do crazy things himself like cloning himself or sending another man to pretend to be him for the last 20 years!
Title: Re: Who is the REAL Michael Jackson
Post by: wishinghard on January 07, 2010, 05:49:08 PM
well i personally think that michael loves us, his fans way 2 much 2 have someone stand in for him in concerts maybe other things but not concerts...and think who else can do that beautiful scream?? :lol:
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