Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Hoax Pictures => Topic started by: DancingTheDream on January 03, 2010, 12:07:03 PM
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I thought it would be helpful to put all the pictures we have of the tomb to compare.
These are the ones i have
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and some more..
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and some more..
I've never seen the last three before?
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Good idea to have all the pics together.. As a side note, I don't see that the book infront of the tomb, is the same one from Neverland at all. They don't even look alike in colour etc. Open books are more than common in churches and places of rest, so it could be anything in my opinion, not necessarily anything to do with MJ. :?:
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where did you find these pictures? and when were they taken...the last one looks like the poinsetta plant i sent for Christmas,.,.thats why i am asking
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is it possible to get bigger pics, so we can have a closer look?
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where did you find these pictures? and when were they taken...the last one looks like the poinsetta plant i sent for Christmas,.,.thats why i am asking
The first three and the last one are the ones from HER Facebook page
The one with all the flowers is one that has been recently put on the net from a grave finder site.
The one with the book was from a random Facebook site discussing the similarities of the book.
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where did you find these pictures? and when were they taken...
I'm very curious, so please can you say where you have found them??
Edit: Thank you.
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ok, thnx
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This is a picture of crypt from 1950 , when Holly terrace was first built. This plot has been for sale for over 50 years!
Here is a interesting quote from the website where i got the picture from:
"The photo shows it (the crypt) as it was back then, unmarked. No doubt Michael's name and an epitaph will be added soon."
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This is a good idea!
I would rather know all the images for comparison at a point
Thanks
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well, did you saw the name of Michael on the tomb? I didn't. If Michael really would be dead and laying there, there would be def his name on it clearly..
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dont ppl buy plots all the time BEFORE they die??? so it could be his or will be his ;)
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Sometimes i worry that MJ really is here, in this tomb. If he is that breaks my heart.
I dont feel it, though... if i did then i would book a flight over to put flowers on his grave.. but even that, like the truth, is denied us.
I wonder whether there is no engravement yet as this takes time? Maybe they are engraving something now, or maybe the family cannot decide what to engrave.
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[quote = "DancingTheDream"] e alcuni più .. [/ quote]
I was intrigued by the photos of the book that you put, I remembered to have seen him before today, but I do not remember where! :( :(
Then I had a flash and here it is:
(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/391/michaelsbuch.jpg) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/michaelsbuch.jpg/) (http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/michaelsbuch.jpg/1/w400.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img32/michaelsbuch.jpg/1/)
You can see in the photo gallery of the official website of Joe Jackson:
http://www.joseph-jackson.de/ (http://www.joseph-jackson.de/)
- http://www.joseph-jackson.de/start_en.html (http://www.joseph-jackson.de/start_en.html)
- http://www.joseph-jackson.de/galerie_uk.html (http://www.joseph-jackson.de/galerie_uk.html)
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[quote = "DancingTheDream"] e alcuni più .. [/ quote]
I was intrigued by the photos of the book that you put, I remembered to have seen him before today, but I do not remember where! :( :(
Then I had a flash and here it is:
(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/391/michaelsbuch.jpg) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/michaelsbuch.jpg/) (http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/michaelsbuch.jpg/1/w400.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img32/michaelsbuch.jpg/1/)
You can see in the photo gallery of the official website of Joe Jackson:
http://www.joseph-jackson.de/ (http://www.joseph-jackson.de/)
- http://www.joseph-jackson.de/start_en.html (http://www.joseph-jackson.de/start_en.html)
- http://www.joseph-jackson.de/galerie_uk.html (http://www.joseph-jackson.de/galerie_uk.html)
So it contains very personal thoughts of Michael.... it doesn't feel so good..... :cry: :cry:
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Has Karen Fay attended two separate grave sites?
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/811/englischk.jpg (http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/811/englischk.jpg)
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Okay, I found this picture
These fans have those pictures ......... hmmm where this before, looked like the crypt?
Since the fence is already there ....
:?: :?: :?:
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77939
(http://www.cemeteryguide.com/flg-21.jpg)
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Ohhh that's another?? The floor ........
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Ohhh that's another?? The floor ........
The floor looks the same to me, there's a picture made behind the fence, and in front of the fence. The floor behind it is different than in front of it.
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@MJJ1982
Yes I saw it. :!: Thanks.....
The ground behind the fence the same.
I got confused with these pictures.
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[quote = "DancingTheDream"] e alcuni più .. [/ quote]
I was intrigued by the photos of the book that you put, I remembered to have seen him before today, but I do not remember where! :( :(
Then I had a flash and here it is:
(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/391/michaelsbuch.jpg) (http://img32.imageshack.us/i/michaelsbuch.jpg/) (http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/michaelsbuch.jpg/1/w400.png) (http://g.imageshack.us/img32/michaelsbuch.jpg/1/)
You can see in the photo gallery of the official website of Joe Jackson:
http://www.joseph-jackson.de/ (http://www.joseph-jackson.de/)
- http://www.joseph-jackson.de/start_en.html (http://www.joseph-jackson.de/start_en.html)
- http://www.joseph-jackson.de/galerie_uk.html (http://www.joseph-jackson.de/galerie_uk.html)
So it contains very personal thoughts of Michael.... it doesn't feel so good..... :cry: :cry:
The book from Neverland is not the same as what they have pictured in front of the gate. If you take notice the book has brown/golden edges outlining the pages (neverland book) but the one in front of the tomb is all white no dark pages .
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I have this picture of the book. I dont think it is the same book as at the crypt, but is similar.
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It's not real, It's not anough for Michael, this photo was private, and now, everybody can see it ! Just look at the photo, do you think that his family can chose that one ? no !
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I thought it would be helpful to put all the pictures we have of the tomb to compare.
These are the ones i have
Sorry about my english, but I will try to make clear that something bothers me about the second picture. If you watch close, yoy can see that at the left and the right there are those walls with the black things on it. To me it looks like a wall where you put the ashes in of the people that are cremated. And so that is a place where people can come to mourn. I see many of those plaques, so there would be many urns. And there would be visitors for them. But to me it looks like they can easily walk towards Michael's tomb after visiting their loved ones, where I thought the family said he was in a closed section of FL.
See my point? I don't get it, I really don't think he would be placed there.....
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i dont get this.. they look the same to me in these pics. whats the difference?
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There's no difference to me.
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There's no difference to me.
I dont see a difference either. I sometimes people are trying to look for differences that are not there.
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Quite obviously the same
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Sorry about my english, but I will try to make clear that something bothers me about the second picture. If you watch close, yoy can see that at the left and the right there are those walls with the black things on it. To me it looks like a wall where you put the ashes in of the people that are cremated. And so that is a place where people can come to mourn. I see many of those plaques, so there would be many urns. And there would be visitors for them. But to me it looks like they can easily walk towards Michael's tomb after visiting their loved ones, where I thought the family said he was in a closed section of FL.
See my point? I don't get it, I really don't think he would be placed there.....
Kuki, this is a great point! I never think about it but you are totally right!!!
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Sorry about my english, but I will try to make clear that something bothers me about the second picture. If you watch close, yoy can see that at the left and the right there are those walls with the black things on it. To me it looks like a wall where you put the ashes in of the people that are cremated. And so that is a place where people can come to mourn. I see many of those plaques, so there would be many urns. And there would be visitors for them. But to me it looks like they can easily walk towards Michael's tomb after visiting their loved ones, where I thought the family said he was in a closed section of FL.
See my point? I don't get it, I really don't think he would be placed there.....
Kuki, this is a great point! I never think about it but you are totally right!!!
That is so true. It's not as if Michael is the only one buried at Holly Terrace. so, i guess if you have loved one buried in the Holly Terrace you can also go and see Michael supposed crypt.
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Everything is real in these pictures. There are certain areas in the Great Mausoleum that the General public can enter. Then Sections that arent,They block off with the gates. Close family and friends can enter. I've been to two of the Forest Lawns and the security is VERY tight at the Glendale one. I've seen pictures of that Crypt long before Michael "Passed". I doubt Michael is in there...
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Lifted these off TMZ.
How did they get these new pictures? Its from the story of Dr Murray visiting the grave.
No cameras allowed, huh?
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more...
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:o :shock: Did TMZ take that bottom pic? Its totally different.
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:o :shock: Did TMZ take that bottom pic? Its totally different.
Yes its TMZ... i also noticed its a different tomb. :shock:
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And where are the flowers and stuff....
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Ohhh that's another?? The floor ........
I see two different floors too. DancingtheDreams second pic and angelshadows pic are two different ones aren't they?
ETA: I don't think MJ is in any of these crypts... and I hope all these are empty because if not photographers have invaded someone else privacy. JMO
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the place looks to horrible for mike to be honest
wasnt there any where else, couldnt they build anything, there is no light, no beauty.
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all those other pp piled high up, i could not blame the family for not going
its cold, and not personal
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i dont get this.. they look the same to me in these pics. whats the difference?
I got to admit the carvings from the 1950's picture are diffrent from the uptodate picture the men seem thinner yet in the 2009 picture the carved men are fuller and more defind. look at them properly i noticed it even before i scrolled down and saw that the poster of the pic had already listed them
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you do know there more than 1 tomb inside mausoleum lol,
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Everything is real in these pictures. There are certain areas in the Great Mausoleum that the General public can enter. Then Sections that arent,They block off with the gates. Close family and friends can enter. I've been to two of the Forest Lawns and the security is VERY tight at the Glendale one. I've seen pictures of that Crypt long before Michael "Passed". I doubt Michael is in there...
But there is a video of fans taking gifts there and the security open the gates you can see in as the security carry the flowers etc to the tomb it was all on show the fans were not allowed in but they filmed it and took pictures how were they allowed to do that i emailed forrest lawn they said Michael is there you can arrange for the flowers to go in at there time by their staff only.
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Am bumping this thread up so people can see the pics of the tomb.
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Ive heard that only real flowers are allowed at Forest Lawn and not silk flowers suggested by LMP
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can we get a better picture of the stained glass windows on these...they seem different to me...but i could be wrong ...i am only asking....o.k. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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can we get a better picture of the stained glass windows on these...they seem different to me...but i could be wrong ...i am only asking....o.k. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
i think so, too, loyalfan. the bottom one looks like it has no fence and there's a marble bench in front of it. the other one has a pedestal with the book on there. so we do have two different versions of the tomb...i agree with the poster here saying that it could be 'just a spot' where they put the flowers, since the estate (or mike himself) allegedly bought the space anyway. still no proof that he's physically in there...i'm still waiting for some hospital official to confirm under oath that mike died under his watch. until then, i won't believe anything. no photos, no fan statements, nothing... :mrgreen:
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Until his name appears on that tomb, I won't even consider he's in there. :roll: How idiotic. Let's bury him "anonymously" but let the entire world know where. Just like: "We'll have a funeral then and there", but "How dare you come to the funeral and film us!"
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i got my HOAX hat and t.shirt on anyways......... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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There's no difference to me.
I do see a difference the one on the left look at the picture(ingraving) the face is facing to the front and the picture to the right it is not. also the picture to the left look at the coat tales it come out to a point but the one on the right goes straight down. But was the first photo worked on in photo shop????
also the legs looks like the left leg is bent back in the picture to the right and the right leg is back in the picture to the left. but it does look to have been worked on in photo shop.
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This is a new one
found it here: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... i=30174977 (http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=38746353&PIpi=30174977)
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Does that seem right that the stained glass is now blue? I wouldn't think that it would be that color when it's multicolored.
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Could be the extra blue is lighting change or the camera quality is different.
As I was reading this all this thread, I was thinging about the whys. Assuming MJ's alive and has meticulously planned every detail. Why did he choose to have his "body" buried here instead of some place readily open and accessible to fans. Just off the top of my head this is all I can come up with:
-Having it inaccessible adds to the mystery element, and the desire to see inside.
-The stain-glass pic of Jesus' Ascention adds to the idea of resurrection, MJ coming alive from the dead.
-It also has other works by Leonardo Da Vinci, the Lord's Supper, and Michaelangelo sculptures which he loved, MJ's
version of the last supper hung above his bed
-Possible connection with other famous people buried there such as Clark Gable, etc.
-The fact that there are 2 Forest Lawn locations, Glendale and Hollywood, many details in the hoax come in doubles
-The fact that the tomb is 50 years old also, and waiting for the right tenant and is fit for a king
-Supposedly his mother wanted it here, but Jermaine wanted it in Neverland, creating interesting controversy
-Jermaine mentioned how totally cold and uninviting it was inside, creating an atmosphere of sadness and being cut off from love of his fans even in death
There's got to be more reasons I'm missing.
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I don't know... I always feel that this tomb is very little for such a big casket,mi<chael had
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I really love how the picture of the middle ascencion window, seems so enhanced with colour, but whether this is a coincidence or not, it shows the ressurection of Jesus......It's so beautiful how Jesus is rising above into the sky......planned or not, this is a truely beautiful image and so in synch with this hoax..
This is a good article..
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0 ... 40,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1920240,00.html)
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and some more..
Is the last one a x-mas flower?
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Has Karen Fay attended two separate grave sites?
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/811/englischk.jpg (http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/811/englischk.jpg)
Looks like the one we have seen is a replica of the original 50 year old.
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There's no difference to me.
I dont see a difference either. I sometimes people are trying to look for differences that are not there.
They are not the same dimension. The original one, the 1950s one has also a plate in the middle.
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Has Karen Fay attended two separate grave sites?
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/811/englischk.jpg (http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/811/englischk.jpg)
Looks like the one we have seen is a replica of the original 50 year old.
Quoting myself:
Looks like the one we have seen is a replica of the original 50 year old
Am I hoaxessed or should I get my own quote as a clue :shock:
Double trouble?
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Go buy an old 35mm style camera from the 50's and take a picture of something then take a picture with a digital camera and get back to me on how similar those images are.
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Here's a comment I found on a page
By: Common Sense
On: 02 Jul 2010 1:15 am
The "crypt" that MJ is in is SOLID marble. It's been there in Forest Lawn since the 1950's. How did they get a casket in it?? Everyone else in there is in a crypt in the wall, right? Is there anyone else there that is in a standalone structure without their name even being on it? How come his kids never went to the burial spot since the funeral? (Jermaine confirmed this on Larry King). Makes you wonder.
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Here's a comment I found on a page
By: Common Sense
On: 02 Jul 2010 1:15 am
The "crypt" that MJ is in is SOLID marble. It's been there in Forest Lawn since the 1950's. How did they get a casket in it?? Everyone else in there is in a crypt in the wall, right? Is there anyone else there that is in a standalone structure without their name even being on it? How come his kids never went to the burial spot since the funeral? (Jermaine confirmed this on Larry King). Makes you wonder.
that's what I think... how can they get a casket in this small crypt...
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Here's a comment I found on a page
By: Common Sense
On: 02 Jul 2010 1:15 am
The "crypt" that MJ is in is SOLID marble. It's been there in Forest Lawn since the 1950's. How did they get a casket in it?? Everyone else in there is in a crypt in the wall, right? Is there anyone else there that is in a standalone structure without their name even being on it? How come his kids never went to the burial spot since the funeral? (Jermaine confirmed this on Larry King). Makes you wonder.
that's what I think... how can they get a casket in this small crypt...
Its not small.. its humungous...
but im interested in the theory it is solid and is just a showpiece. How can we get confirmation on this.
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Michael Jackson, the "King of Pop", was buried in the Great Mausoleum in July of 2009.
But you can't reach his tomb. It's in a private part of the Mausoleum, with access limited to those with relatives buried there.
This isn't completely surprising, since the family seemed to be concerned about security. It's difficult to imagine any more secure a final resting place than one in the depths of the Great Mausoleum, a place that sometimes rivals Fort Knox in its security efforts.
But for those who are curious, here's the location: His free-standing marble sarcophagus is located at the far west end of the main (east/west) hallway of the Holly Terrace section, beneath large stained glass windows depicting The Ascension of Jesus. It is straight back (west of) the main Holly Terrace entrance doors, which are on the east side (of the south end) of the Great Mausoleum.
Viewed from the outside, from the lower level parking lot on the west side, the three stained glass windows behind his sarcophagus appear to be on the second floor (but since the Terrace is built on a hillside, the east side doors are just a few steps above ground level).
A photo of the crypt was distributed by the park to the press back in the 1950's, when the Holly Terrace first opened. With a very high price, this valuable location waited five decades for the right tenant.
The photo shows it as it was back then, unmarked. No doubt Michael's name and an epitaph will be added soon.
Word is that several other crypts were bought in the surrounding area, so the Jackson family can be together in death, as they were in life.
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1213/michaeljacksoncryptphot.jpg) (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/michaeljacksoncryptphot.jpg/)
THE GRAVE OF MICHAEL JACKSON
(photo of the sarcophagus is circa 1950)
in the Holly Terrace section of the Great Mausoleum
at Forest Lawn in Glendale, California