Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: DancingTheDream on January 07, 2010, 07:47:22 PM

Title: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 07, 2010, 07:47:22 PM
I sometimes go on Susan Etoks blog, just as i do not trust her and read her views to see when and if she trips up.  So far, she is often vague and it is hard to decide if she really did know MJ or not.

Recently she has been active on her blog and has been replying to questions.

see link:  http://susanetok.wordpress.com/2010/01/ ... l-records/ (http://susanetok.wordpress.com/2010/01/03/joe-jackson-upsets-estate-bosses-with-subpoena-for-medical-records/)
and scroll down to see what she has written.

Notably, she states MJ did have a special lady in his life and he did have a tattoo on his forehead.

She obviously has this information from the so-called "leaked autopsies".

However,, one of her answers caught my eye and i have copied and pasted it below:

Kitty Says:
January 6, 2010 at 5:25 pm

@Mel
I think what gives us this odd feeling about the leaked autopsy report is that it´s sensationalism…like you said – the permanent make-up on Michael´s face,tatoo on his scalp,the nonsense about sperm production – all of this is not relevant to the cause of death.That´s why I think it´s a fake.Tabloid crap…
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      Susan Essien Etok Says:
      January 6, 2010 at 5:44 pm

      Seven months ago, I would have agreed with you that it was the tabloids that made it all up. I now realise where the tabloid stories come from – “Insiders cashing in.”

      The tatoo stuff is true. The other, it is hard to say.

      When autopsies are done, the coroner notes all visual observations. Things like breast implants and other cosmetic “prothesis” would be noted. With respect to sperm production this could be noted if there is reason for it to be obvious – do you catch my drift? I don’t know if this was actually the case or not but there is a possibility.

      My verdict – it was a Jackson insider that leaked that info for the purposes of highlighting a particular point.

So, what is Susan trying to imply about the "sperm production"??  She says that it would only be noted if there was a reason for it to be obvious.  

So is she trying to say MJ was sexually active just before his time of death???????

Sexually active with whom??  This mystery lady???  Or with DR CONRAD MURRAY???   :shock:  :shock:

Ive never thought about that theory before.  Please dont bash me for bringing this up.. but its interesting theory to consider.  
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: Ninanina on January 07, 2010, 08:00:20 PM
Whether with a mysterious lady or someone else - I feel, that's not our business.
I think this info is more important for the question, whether his kids are his natural kids or not. At the time this was "revealed" by the media, some people already claimed (at least media said so) to be his kids' real fathers.
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 07, 2010, 08:03:33 PM
Quote from: "Ninanina"
Whether with a mysterious lady or someone else - I feel, that's not our business.
I think this info is more important for the question, whether his kids are his natural kids or not. At the time this was "revealed" by the media, some people already claimed (at least media said so) to be his kids' real fathers.

Its relevant if its in the so-called autopsy report.. and its relevant if someone in the Jackson family felt the need to leak it to "make a point"

Im investigating the death.,., or the hoax.. all information is relevant.  Susan is saying its been put out there for a reason.  

I dont think its relevant to the children as Susan is saying that it would only be in an autopsy if it was relevant for the time.  Get what i mean?
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: mjthelegendlives on January 07, 2010, 08:07:10 PM
DTD...I know some are going to get probably mad about that comment on CM and MJ, but I understand where you're coming from.  I think these reports were from the second autopsy? If thats the case, well then its hard to have umm physical evidence about the sperm production.  Is that what youre referring to?  

Maybe someone leaked the information to prove that MJ is the father of the kids? I read somewhere that the kids werent his, because he couldnt produce sperm due to the beatings he received as a child. But I dont know...I dont feel comfortable discussing this..thats all I can think of.
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 07, 2010, 08:12:02 PM
I understand that it may have been leaked for the purposes of trying to stem the rumours about MJs children.

But Susan is saying that it would only be in the autopsy if it was relevant at the time...  um.. so it was there at the time.

Ok... say a woman was murdered.. the Coroner would able to determine if sexual activity had taken place and whether that activity was consensual.

So i think what Susan is implying is that sexual activity took place around the time of MJs death.

It just shocked me a bit, as i had not thought about any element or slant on it like that.
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: virgo75 on January 07, 2010, 08:19:02 PM
Ok, um, let's pretend that Michael did die.
And let's pretend that he was killed by Dr. Murray due to administration of propofol.

Now, with alllllll of the medications that were supposed to have been given during the last hours of his life, how the heck would he be able to um, "function"?!?!    :?  :oops:

I can't imagine that this is what she's referring to.

Maybe she's referring to it being possible that the children are his biological offspring?
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: Ninanina on January 07, 2010, 08:35:43 PM
I just sent an email to a German coroner...

Thinking about it, I guess Susan is wrong, because in an autopsy all organs are examined and I think this info will be included in all autopsy reports.
We only get the details the media consider as important and as soon the word sperm is included, they wouldn't miss that point for Michael.
A full autopsy report would include the functionality of all organs and I'm sure a coroner doesn't need sperm to detect, if someone is able to produce it. He just needs to look at the sperm producing organ.

But she's a medical doctor, right? Well, let's see what the coroner has to say...

EDIT: oh no, she's not a MEDICAL doctor... Biomaterial Engineer.
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 07, 2010, 08:46:42 PM
When autopsies are done, the coroner notes all visual observations. Things like breast implants and other cosmetic “prothesis” would be noted. With respect to sperm production this could be noted if there is reason for it to be obvious – do you catch my drift? I don’t know if this was actually the case or not but there is a possibility.

I read that as her saying the coroner...   visually inspected it and noted it.  So it was noted because was obvious.

oh.. i dont know.   :lol:
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: virgo75 on January 07, 2010, 08:50:18 PM
Wait, just remembered something:

At the time of death "fluids" and such just kind of empty out.
This could include sperm.
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: jean-paul on January 07, 2010, 09:31:16 PM
Could this be the girl he was dating? Sorry is that has been post....
.Here is some information i found on the internet..Im not sure but still , im wodering
http://lcn.canoe.ca/lcn/artsetspectacle (http://lcn.canoe.ca/lcn/artsetspectacle) ... 01542.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J9r_l7-8SI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J9r_l7-8SI)
HOT!!!! LOL  8-)
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: Debbie Zebua on January 07, 2010, 09:53:44 PM
oh come on people...our babe is not dead
this discussion cannot penetrate.
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: michaelsupporter on January 07, 2010, 09:59:37 PM
I have a hunch that Susan Etok may very well be MJ's girlfriend. Shortly after MJ "died" she admitted that MJ was discussing having a child with her and according to her conversation he was very eager about it getting underway. Perhaps, if he did die it was during the act of producing that child?!?!?!?!? It's been known that men can have a heart attack during love making.  However, to me, there is something about it that is off. Why would they need to cover that up with a propofol/drug cocktail overdose? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Perhaps the Susan Etok thing is another diversion---just to add mystery to the mix?!?!?!?
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: MJJLives on January 07, 2010, 10:02:33 PM
Quote from: "mjthelegendlives"
DTD...I know some are going to get probably mad about that comment on CM and MJ, but I understand where you're coming from.  I think these reports were from the second autopsy? If thats the case, well then its hard to have umm physical evidence about the sperm production.  Is that what youre referring to?  

Maybe someone leaked the information to prove that MJ is the father of the kids? I read somewhere that the kids werent his, because he couldnt produce sperm due to the beatings he received as a child. But I dont know...I dont feel comfortable discussing this..thats all I can think of.
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I think this, also.  When I first heard that in the report, I was like, "WTH does that have to do with anything?!"  But then I thought, "Oh, there has been ALOT of speculation about Michael's children and whether he could have children at all."   I used to hear the rumor that Michael had been, um, gelded, if you know what I mean.  A statement regarding his production of "little men"  :oops: would put those rumors to rest. That is why I think this information was leaked.  That is my opinion.
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: Mercurial on January 07, 2010, 11:08:42 PM
ROFL.@With doctor murray!!  :lol:
you know what?i don't why i did it but i just randomly thought about that possibility once. :?
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: i_need YoU on January 08, 2010, 12:59:39 AM
Quote from: "MJJLives"

I think this, also.  When I first heard that in the report, I was like, "WTH does that have to do with anything?!"  But then I thought, "Oh, there has been ALOT of speculation about Michael's children and whether he could have children at all."   I used to hear the rumor that Michael had been, um, gelded, if you know what I mean.  A statement regarding his production of "little men"  :oops: would put those rumors to rest. That is why I think this information was leaked.  That is my opinion.
See i heard about him getting "gelded" i just say fixed ahahahaha but maybe Michael wanted that to go to prove to everyone that YES he still has gonads and YES they def still work :)
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: loveumj88 on January 08, 2010, 01:40:24 AM
no, i dont think it is..

IMO,the autopsy was released during the the time where in everyone is questioning about Omar and some of his kids, so it is possible that they included it on the report to at least prove that he is capable of having kids..
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: Happy Feet on January 08, 2010, 03:59:27 AM
To counteract the claims that Michael had a low sperm count and collected sperm from his close friends. Those stories were out to cause doubt of the paternity of Michael's children and that he couldn't produce enough of his own to do this.

That would be the relevance in my opinion.
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: susie_23 on January 08, 2010, 04:06:28 AM
Susan wasn't his girlfriend, he was dating someone named Jessica Barnes.
Unless he and Jessica broke up before his death last year and he turned to Susan.
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: SPAKKLE29FUL on January 08, 2010, 06:22:46 AM
I dont to trust susan and no mj is not dead and yes some of these posts have had me crying with laughter :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: Crescendo on January 08, 2010, 06:35:21 AM
before I read all these posts could someone give me a summary on who Susan Etok is? All I heard was that she said that Mj asked her to be the mother of his next child.
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: i_need YoU on January 08, 2010, 06:38:57 AM
I WIL BE THE MOMMY OF HIS NEXT CHILD!!!! OH PICK MEMEMEMEMEMEME!!! HEEHEE JK really though i am just kidding hahaha i was just copying the scene with at the ice cream truck ahahaha i love that part  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: jonnysgirldangerous on January 08, 2010, 07:07:43 AM
I don't believe a word this woman has to say. I don't even believe she was even close to MJ, just another one trying to milk his fame.
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: Secret Dove on January 08, 2010, 08:42:55 AM
Quote from: "MJJLives"

   I used to hear the rumor that Michael had been, um, gelded, if you know what I mean.

Sorry, but that made me laugh!!! :lol:  You geld horses, not humans. Last time I looked, Michael isn't a horse! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: angelshadow on January 08, 2010, 08:46:08 AM
Revoltingly
I would not like such a subject :?
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on January 08, 2010, 09:04:27 AM
Quote from: "susie_23"
Susan wasn't his girlfriend, he was dating someone named Jessica Barnes.
Unless he and Jessica broke up before his death last year and he turned to Susan.


Does anyone have a pic of this Jessica girl? Im curious to what she looks like.


And for the sperm thing....that was an odd thing to say in an autopsy report. The ONLY reason I think they included it was to sway people into believing his kids were biologically his....that his Little MJ ( or big MJ, LOL!  :oops: ) worked and was healthy.
Its still ODD that they even mentioned it...it has nothing to do with his death... at all.

We didnt hear about Anna Nicole Smith being on her period, or ovulating or having an ovarian cyst when she died did we? Why mention it with MJ?

An old member here, Anniesnotokey, mentioned something when this report came out and it was rather funny but interesting...she said "Id like to know how a dead body can actively produce ANYTHING.." in regards to MJ actively producing sperm.

...LMAO!!!
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: virgo75 on January 08, 2010, 09:12:52 AM
I thought this Jessica was one of the "follower" fans?   :?

I also just re-thought all of this.

MJ probably had this info put out there just because...

Remember, this is the same guy that when talking about rehearsing "Dirty Diana" and having the aerialist and guitar player in the same bed that he would be there and that he could "handle all of that!"   :lol:

He just wants us to know that, yes ladies, he CAN!  ;)
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on January 08, 2010, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: "virgo75"
I thought this Jessica was one of the "follower" fans?   :?

I also just re-thought all of this.

MJ probably had this info put out there just because...

Remember, this is the same guy that when talking about rehearsing "Dirty Diana" and having the aerialist and guitar player in the same bed that he would be there and that he could "handle all of that!"   :lol:

He just wants us to know that, yes ladies, he CAN!  ;)


This really makes me think of gold pants......

in a major way.


Thanks....now I cant concentrate at work!!!
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: peterpanswendy on January 08, 2010, 10:27:13 AM
he wasn't dating jessica barnes, that was a rumor. I also agree with the theory that the whole sperm thing was to prove that he could "function and produce" :-)
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: mjlovebug on January 08, 2010, 06:22:11 PM
Quote from: "virgo75"
Ok, um, let's pretend that Michael did die.
And let's pretend that he was killed by Dr. Murray due to administration of propofol.

Now, with alllllll of the medications that were supposed to have been given during the last hours of his life, how the heck would he be able to um, "function"?!?!    :?  :oops:

I can't imagine that this is what she's referring to.

Maybe she's referring to it being possible that the children are his biological offspring?

Geesh, odd discussion susan etok started. But yeah maybe she's saying that this was put in the autopsy because he is functioning properly because he is alive! And to show that he could have kids. These are the only reasons that would make sense to me. :?
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: susie_23 on January 08, 2010, 06:25:55 PM
Quote from: "peterpanswendy"
he wasn't dating jessica barnes, that was a rumor. I also agree with the theory that the whole sperm thing was to prove that he could "function and produce" :-)


*shrieks*
REALLY?!
So I still have a chance?! YAY!!!
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: the_gloved_one on January 08, 2010, 07:11:27 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
So, what is Susan trying to imply about the "sperm production"??  She says that it would only be noted if there was a reason for it to be obvious.  

So is she trying to say MJ was sexually active just before his time of death???????

Sexually active with whom??  This mystery lady???  Or with DR CONRAD MURRAY???  [/color]

I often wondered myself as to why the public needed to known that Michael was actively producing sperm but, i guess it was to let us know that his "plumbing" was still in good working order.

On a similar note, I remember reading an article about Michaels supposed sperm donation. The sample has apparently been transported to London for "safe keeping" as the family feared some crazy fan would try and impregnate themselves to produce an heir to the Jackson estate....tabloid sensationalism at its best  :lol:
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: MashMike on January 09, 2010, 11:42:40 AM
Michael wasn't dating Jessica Barner, it was another rumour created by the media, noone knows anything about Mike's personal live,he kept his private life away from everyone, i just know that in recent years he had a special woman in his life, but she was an ordinary woman, not a famous one.
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: King_Michael on January 09, 2010, 01:02:21 PM
You can't produce sperm while you are dead maybe this is a clue
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: wilds on January 09, 2010, 02:21:55 PM
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
I have a hunch that Susan Etok may very well be MJ's girlfriend. Shortly after MJ "died" she admitted that MJ was discussing having a child with her and according to her conversation he was very eager about it getting underway. Perhaps, if he did die it was during the act of producing that child?!?!?!?!? It's been known that men can have a heart attack during love making.

ROFLMAO!!!!!   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: the_gloved_one on January 09, 2010, 02:47:44 PM
If there is sperm present in a semen sample then this evidence of active sperm production, so how does one obtain a semen sample at autopsy?
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 09, 2010, 02:50:17 PM
Quote from: "wilds"
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
I have a hunch that Susan Etok may very well be MJ's girlfriend. Shortly after MJ "died" she admitted that MJ was discussing having a child with her and according to her conversation he was very eager about it getting underway. Perhaps, if he did die it was during the act of producing that child?!?!?!?!? It's been known that men can have a heart attack during love making.

ROFLMAO!!!!!   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Only in Susan Etoks dreams.
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: Aintnosunshine on January 09, 2010, 04:45:40 PM
Quote from: "the_gloved_one"
If there is sperm present in a semen sample then this evidence of active sperm production, so how does one obtain a semen sample at autopsy?


Just for the records: amoung physicians it s a well known fact that one of the side effects of propofol is sexual arousal - really. I don`t want to state anything but just add this information ...
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 09, 2010, 04:50:49 PM
Quote from: "Aintnosunshine"
Quote from: "the_gloved_one"
If there is sperm present in a semen sample then this evidence of active sperm production, so how does one obtain a semen sample at autopsy?


Just for the records: amoung physicians it s a well known fact that one of the side effects of propofol is sexual arousal - really. I don`t want to state anything but just add this information ...

Really?  How bizarre.   :shock:
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: Mercurial on January 09, 2010, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "Aintnosunshine"
Quote from: "the_gloved_one"
If there is sperm present in a semen sample then this evidence of active sperm production, so how does one obtain a semen sample at autopsy?


Just for the records: amoung physicians it s a well known fact that one of the side effects of propofol is sexual arousal - really. I don`t want to state anything but just add this information ...

Really?  How bizarre.   :shock:

ROFL again. :lol: this topic keeps on getting more and more awkward.
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: i_need YoU on January 09, 2010, 11:46:17 PM
awww how embarrasing for Michael if he really did die...especially if he had a  :shock:  you know heehee...that would be a way to go...

and for the comment about him have a special bond with a non famous girl...GIVES ME HOPE!!!!!
I wonder what made her stand out though with the other billion females who are madly in love with Michael...hmm...maybe she didnt treat him like a star and treated him normally...
well there goes my chance  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: What is Susan Etok implying?? Very wierd comment on blog.
Post by: the_gloved_one on January 10, 2010, 08:21:16 AM
Quote from: "Aintnosunshine"
Just for the records: amoung physicians it s a well known fact that one of the side effects of propofol is sexual arousal - really. I don`t want to state anything but just add this information ...

True,  Propofol is also an aphrodisiac which can cause vivid sexual dreams but, i don't think this would caused Michael to...ermm..."shoot his load". It's important to note that this phenomenon has been only known to occur in less than 1% of cases. I don't think there has been a lot of research into this area, the mechanism by which these"sexual fantasies" occur is poorly understood.
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