Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

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Title: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 10, 2010, 12:13:05 PM
News of the World have run with a story that they have obtained copy of MJ death certificate that has never been published before.

Link:  http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/66 ... icide.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/667950/Michael-Jackson-death-certificate-rules-homicide.html)

Michael Jackson: It WAS homicide

By James Desborough, 10/01/2010

MICHAEL Jackson's death certificate rules he WAS murdered, the News of the World can reveal.

We obtained a copy of the document and an amendment to it - that have never been published.

On the original July 7 certificate deputy coroner Cheryl MacWillie refuses to give a cause of death.

But after further probes, it is amended on August 31 by medical examiner Christopher Rogers to "homicide".

He concludes Jacko died from "acute Propofol intoxication" due to an "intra-venous injection by another".

Meanwhile Jacko's doctor Conrad Murray, 56, has hired a hotshot lawyer in case he is charged over the June 25 death.

Jacko basks in the applause at the end of his final concert in LA.

Hollywood legal eagle Michael Flanagan saved a nurse from a murder charge when she was accused of wrongly administering painkiller Propofol.

Murray already has a Houston law firm building his defence. Police affidavits say he admitted loading up Jacko, 50, with Propofol and other drugs in the hours before his death.

The prosecution is likely to use lawyer Patrick Dixon, who helped put Phil Spector behind bars.

Dr. Conrad Murray, Jacko's doctor

But yesterday a Jackson family source said: "We are all keeping our faith with the police. We want them to do this case properly and put away the man who we feel is responsible for Michael's death.

"We want the authorities though to release details of what happened to Michael in his last few hours. We want the paperwork to come out to show just what drugs were put inside him and what happened in his last few hours alive.

"Much of the documentation has been kept secret - and we can't understand it.

"We still feel that there is more than one person responsible for Michael's tragic death. Joe won't give up on getting justice for his son and a lawuit is his focus."

doc1:  http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime ... 81075a.jpg (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00081/jacko_cert1_81075a.jpg)

doc2:  http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime ... 81072a.jpg (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00081/jacko_cert2_81072a.jpg)

Last night a coroners office worker explained the void branding on the forms was issued by the health authority which holds the documents. They brand forms like this to avoid them from being used for fraudulent purposes.
Title: Re: Death Certificate.. anything new here? World Exclusive?
Post by: lisap27 on January 10, 2010, 12:20:27 PM
its got the embalmer's name on it!!   :shock: JESUS MIGUEL RUIZ

SOMETHING HAS JUST POPPED OUT!!!

it says DEPOSITION DATE 07/07/09 FORREST LAWN..

THEN IT SAY DEPOSTION TEMP!! what does that mean!!! i thought he was buried there!!
Title: Re: Death Certificate.. anything new here? World Exclusive?
Post by: Bellexx on January 10, 2010, 12:24:48 PM
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Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: pollyanna on January 10, 2010, 12:28:49 PM
Does TEMP mean Temporary if so does that mean he has not been buried yet
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: angelshadow on January 10, 2010, 12:30:01 PM
All this does not please me at all .... now the turn
Should now be particularly attentive. 8-)
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: lisap27 on January 10, 2010, 12:33:51 PM
Quote from: "pollyanna"
Does TEMP mean Temporary if so does that mean he has not been buried yet

Thats what i thought.. and if its up to date then shouldn't that have been amended to PERMINANT!!  :shock:
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: KingMJ on January 10, 2010, 12:35:14 PM
Quote from: "pollyanna"
Does TEMP mean Temporary if so does that mean he has not been buried yet
Yeh I'd guess it means temporary.  But it wouldn't mean that he hasn't been buried yet, just that if he has, it is just temporary.  But I'm sure I read something that said they were only burying him there temporarily, until the family decided on a final place ie. Neverland. :?
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: susie_23 on January 10, 2010, 12:36:52 PM
This is making me nervous.  :?
But isn't this what we've heard? That January would be a crazy month?

I don't know what to believe anymore  :cry:  :?
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: IBelieveInMiracles on January 10, 2010, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: "KingMJ"
Quote from: "pollyanna"
Does TEMP mean Temporary if so does that mean he has not been buried yet
Yeh I'd guess it means temporary.  But it wouldn't mean that he hasn't been buried yet, just that if he has, it is just temporary.  But I'm sure I read something that said they were only burying him there temporarily, until the family decided on a final place ie. Neverland. :?

I heard that too. But if those pics of the crpyt are real, how are they suppose to get him out?
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: KingMJ on January 10, 2010, 12:39:27 PM
Quote from: "IBelieveInMiracles"
Quote from: "KingMJ"
Quote from: "pollyanna"
Does TEMP mean Temporary if so does that mean he has not been buried yet
Yeh I'd guess it means temporary.  But it wouldn't mean that he hasn't been buried yet, just that if he has, it is just temporary.  But I'm sure I read something that said they were only burying him there temporarily, until the family decided on a final place ie. Neverland. :?

I heard that too. But if those pics of the crpyt are real, how are they suppose to get him out?
Well, that's a good question!  :lol: ... Maybe there is a way.. who knows!
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: lisap27 on January 10, 2010, 12:42:13 PM
ermmm... isn't he suppose to be under huge amounts of concrete!! so there gonna smash all that up without harming his coffin then move him somewhere different!! sounds fishy to me..

oh and put everyone through another buriel!!  :shock:
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: susie_23 on January 10, 2010, 12:44:21 PM
Quote from: "lisap27"
ermmm... isn't he suppose to be under huge amounts of concrete!! so there gonna smash all that up without harming his coffin then move him somewhere different!! sounds fishy to me..

oh and put everyone through another buriel!!  :shock:

If this is a hoax...and he's alive....and he comes back at some point....can you only imagine how painful his REAL death is going to be?
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: lisap27 on January 10, 2010, 12:46:17 PM
Quote from: "susie_23"
Quote from: "lisap27"
ermmm... isn't he suppose to be under huge amounts of concrete!! so there gonna smash all that up without harming his coffin then move him somewhere different!! sounds fishy to me..

oh and put everyone through another buriel!!  :shock:

If this is a hoax...and he's alive....and he comes back at some point....can you only imagine how painful his REAL death is going to be?

yeh i know... but my opinion on that is.. after he has done whatever it is he has to do he'll just disappear.. and the rest will be history!! so it won't be world wide news just a private family thing!!
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: IBelieveInMiracles on January 10, 2010, 12:47:10 PM
Quote from: lisap27
ermmm... isn't he suppose to be under huge amounts of concrete!! so there gonna smash all that up without harming his coffin then move him somewhere different!! sounds fishy to me..

That's what makes me think this is fake. There hardly likely to smash the concrete so he's kinda stuck in there. And think of all the money they would have spent entombing him in concrete, all a bit pointless if you as me.
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: kingofmystery on January 10, 2010, 12:55:18 PM
News of the World has NEVER been a reliable source.  It is as close to tabloid news as you can get!   :| I wouldn't waste too much time dwelling and worrying about this article.
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on January 10, 2010, 12:57:34 PM
doc1: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime) ... 81075a.jpg

Jonathan Fielding MD is listed as the signing Local registrar. He has wiki page.
Jonathan E. Fielding M.D., M.P.H., M.A., M.B.A. is the Director of the Department of Public Health and is the Health Officer for Los Angeles County.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding

The signatory for the  LA Coroners Office is Cheryl Macwillie. She is a Coroner's Lieutenant and  Spokesperson.
Los Angeles County Coroner's Lt. Cheryl MacWillie
http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie

The embalmer is listed as Jesus Miguel Ruiz - license number 8473
CEMETERY AND FUNERAL BUREAU
Licensee Name:   RUIZ JESUS MIGUEL
License Type:   EMBALMER
License Number:   8473
License Status:   CLEAR Definition
Expiration Date:   April 30, 2010
Issue Date:   April 08, 1998
County:   LOS ANGELES
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=8473&P_LTE_ID=728


doc2: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime) ... 81072a.jpg

Christopher Rogers MD as the certifying Physician or Coroner. He is listed at the:
LOS ANGELES COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER-CORONER
Forensic Medicine - Christopher Rogers, M.D. 323-343-0715
http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oeswebsite.nsf/0/24E79A109ABCF25B8825743C007AB077?OpenDocument

All of these people seem to really exist....  :(
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: karen-ishealive on January 10, 2010, 01:20:18 PM
Quote from: "lisap27"
ermmm... isn't he suppose to be under huge amounts of concrete!! so there gonna smash all that up without harming his coffin then move him somewhere different!! sounds fishy to me..

oh and put everyone through another buriel!!  :shock:


You know if MJ is "dead" which I doubt but have they ever heard of letting the dead rest in peace!!!
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: lisap27 on January 10, 2010, 01:27:48 PM
@Serenitys_Dream

this is what is getting to me about the whole thing.. FRAUD comes to mind if its a fake D/C.. i wouldn't have thought they could sign or lend their name to FAKE documents if you know what i mean..  :?

as much as i try to convince myself.. YEAH IT CAN BE DONE!! but i'm sure that would be illegal..  :roll:
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 10, 2010, 01:28:20 PM
I dont understand whats been going on this weekend.  Im getting really tired of it all.   :(
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: JENNYAPPLEHEAD on January 10, 2010, 01:30:11 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
I dont understand whats been going on this weekend.  Im getting really tired of it all.   :(


I sooo agree. They are REALLY trying to PROVE he is gone especially this weekend!! But this IS coming from one of the worst tabloids out there.
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: angelshadow on January 10, 2010, 01:32:36 PM
They always throw us out from time to time what! You want to keep the issue hot!! It's like a bait ....
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 10, 2010, 04:01:59 PM
I cant understand why todays big news in the media is "MJ was murdered" and "world exclusive death certificate" when this has been on the web for months.. we knew about all this ages ago.
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: MzInfo on January 10, 2010, 04:43:49 PM
There is something wrong with this situation on so many levels. On the first set of death certificates Jonathan Fielding signed the death certificates. Why Dean Logan sign this one? Why different signatures? Something isn't right. If he was really dead and his death was documented then there wouldn't be a need for another person to sign another death certificate.

I think they're trying to scare people into trying to prove Michael is dead because time is running out and more evidence is pointing to him being alive than him being dead. So until I get hardcore facts, I'm sticking to my guns. :D
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: EternalBliss on January 10, 2010, 05:34:05 PM
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But anyways lol....if so,then he hasnt been buried,which he never was in the first place.Nothing to worry about.the question is why its being brought up?
Im sure we will get a rejection saying its a fake,I say wait for TMZ,yes its a tabloid but its easier that way,easier to root truth from lie from the brickman .
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: the_lost_child on January 10, 2010, 05:50:21 PM
Why there's LaToya's name on it? Is it because she did the formal stuff regarding funeral or is it because she applied for getting this document? If it's so, then it must be fake, 'cause she couldn't apply it, being since 30.12.2009 till now in Europe...
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: EternalBliss on January 10, 2010, 06:10:21 PM
Quote from: "the_lost_child"
Why there's LaToya's name on it? Is it because she did the formal stuff regarding funeral or is it because she applied for getting this document? If it's so, then it must be fake, 'cause she couldn't apply it, being since 30.12.2009 till now in Europe...

yepp,cuz shes in Germany till waht..the 16th.. :lol:
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: the_lost_child on January 10, 2010, 06:21:07 PM
Quote from: "EternalBliss"
yepp,cuz shes in Germany till waht..the 16th.. :lol:
and she went there directly from Poland.... She wasn't in USA since 30.12.2009
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: susie_23 on January 10, 2010, 06:22:14 PM
What's she doing in Europe?
Serious question; I honestly don't know.
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: the_lost_child on January 10, 2010, 06:27:59 PM
Quote from: "susie_23"
What's she doing in Europe?
Serious question; I honestly don't know.
In Poland she was on New Years Eve, doing countdown, then she stayed couple of days, she was seeing shopping and sightseeing. She put some videos on her YT profile: http://www.youtube.com/user/latoyaonline (http://www.youtube.com/user/latoyaonline)
Now, she's in Germany. I don't know exactly what she's doing there, but JacksonSource confirmed, she's there.
It's funny actually... another Jackson going to Germany in shortly time... Joe is often here, La Toya was also there 2 months ago...
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: susie_23 on January 10, 2010, 06:29:15 PM
Wasn't there a rumor that MJ was in Berlin?
Odd.
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on January 10, 2010, 06:30:04 PM
I remember Latoya saying on tv that she is an L.A.P.D officer, she had to go  through training for a reality tv program... Has anybody seen the actual program, or is the reality thing what is going on now?
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: rosemariaantigone on January 10, 2010, 06:45:39 PM
Quote from: "kingofmystery"
News of the World has NEVER been a reliable source.  It is as close to tabloid news as you can get!   :| I wouldn't waste too much time dwelling and worrying about this article.
THANK YOU! Guys come on! These guys are just tabloid trash. Most of the media can't be trusted in the first place, but THESE guys are at the top of the media that you should not trust, PERIOD. Chillax.
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: Lorrie on January 10, 2010, 08:01:31 PM
For those who don't know yet, reputable Entertainment Weekly published an article today that states they "confirmed with the L.A. County coroner’s office that the document, which is part of the public record, is genuine."

The document in question is the amended death certificate that trashy News of the World published, which Entertainment Weekly's article links to directly. So, it seems the amendment to Michael's death certificate may be real.

However, I specify "may" (1) given the original source and (2) the fact that Entertainment Weekly has previously had to recant information it published.

LINK to Entertainment Weekly article: Michael Jackson death certificate ruling homicide appears online (http://news-briefs.ew.com/2010/01/10/michael-jackson-death-certificate-homicide-online/)
Title: Re: Death Certificate.. anything new here? World Exclusive?
Post by: simplyme on January 10, 2010, 08:49:50 PM
Quote from: "lisap27"
its got the embalmer's name on it!!   :shock: JESUS MIGUEL RUIZ

SOMETHING HAS JUST POPPED OUT!!!

it says DEPOSITION DATE 07/07/09 FORREST LAWN..

THEN IT SAY DEPOSTION TEMP!! what does that mean!!! i thought he was buried there!!

They put TEMP on there when he died.  They weren't sure what they were going to do I guess;
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: simplyme on January 10, 2010, 08:51:51 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
News of the World have run with a story that they have obtained copy of MJ death certificate that has never been published before.

Link:  http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/66 ... icide.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/667950/Michael-Jackson-death-certificate-rules-homicide.html)

Michael Jackson: It WAS homicide

By James Desborough, 10/01/2010

MICHAEL Jackson's death certificate rules he WAS murdered, the News of the World can reveal.

We obtained a copy of the document and an amendment to it - that have never been published.

On the original July 7 certificate deputy coroner Cheryl MacWillie refuses to give a cause of death.

But after further probes, it is amended on August 31 by medical examiner Christopher Rogers to "homicide".

He concludes Jacko died from "acute Propofol intoxication" due to an "intra-venous injection by another".

Meanwhile Jacko's doctor Conrad Murray, 56, has hired a hotshot lawyer in case he is charged over the June 25 death.

Jacko basks in the applause at the end of his final concert in LA.

Hollywood legal eagle Michael Flanagan saved a nurse from a murder charge when she was accused of wrongly administering painkiller Propofol.

Murray already has a Houston law firm building his defence. Police affidavits say he admitted loading up Jacko, 50, with Propofol and other drugs in the hours before his death.

The prosecution is likely to use lawyer Patrick Dixon, who helped put Phil Spector behind bars.

Dr. Conrad Murray, Jacko's doctor

But yesterday a Jackson family source said: "We are all keeping our faith with the police. We want them to do this case properly and put away the man who we feel is responsible for Michael's death.

"We want the authorities though to release details of what happened to Michael in his last few hours. We want the paperwork to come out to show just what drugs were put inside him and what happened in his last few hours alive.

"Much of the documentation has been kept secret - and we can't understand it.

"We still feel that there is more than one person responsible for Michael's tragic death. Joe won't give up on getting justice for his son and a lawuit is his focus."

doc1:  http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime ... 81075a.jpg (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00081/jacko_cert1_81075a.jpg)

doc2:  http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime ... 81072a.jpg (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00081/jacko_cert2_81072a.jpg)

Last night a coroners office worker explained the void branding on the forms was issued by the health authority which holds the documents. They brand forms like this to avoid them from being used for fraudulent purposes.

Trying to sell papers.  This isn't new news.
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: Grace on January 11, 2010, 12:49:08 AM
Again, did you notice:
the various MJ DCs consist of some other paper copied into the DC blanks. You'll see the frames of the copy. The size of the included documents does vary from each version that I have seen so far and differs from DCs of other persons. Even the character size and font types are different.

If this were the true output of californian authorities, I would honestly be worried about administration in the U.S.
Come on, they are discussing "fingerprint payment" and "iris eye identification" hence cannot get a DC right? To me this is either proof of fake or middle age sloppyness.
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: i_need YoU on January 11, 2010, 02:18:05 AM
maybe they fixed it up because we were having so many questions because there were so many different things gong on  in the old DC...
Or maybe the old DC's were fake and the new one is the actualy DC. People said the old DC's were fake however if the '" Jacksons" could make a fake DC of MJ then so could some person trying to mess with peoples emotions
who knows this whole thing is just confusing me i dont know what to think anymore...sadly i think this investigation is coming to a end...but we will find out eventually...hopefully because i not the one to jump on a rollercoaster to often...
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: Ijustcantstoplovingu on January 11, 2010, 02:58:24 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
doc1: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime) ... 81075a.jpg

Jonathan Fielding MD is listed as the signing Local registrar. He has wiki page.
Jonathan E. Fielding M.D., M.P.H., M.A., M.B.A. is the Director of the Department of Public Health and is the Health Officer for Los Angeles County.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding

The signatory for the  LA Coroners Office is Cheryl Macwillie. She is a Coroner's Lieutenant and  Spokesperson.
Los Angeles County Coroner's Lt. Cheryl MacWillie
http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie

The embalmer is listed as Jesus Miguel Ruiz - license number 8473
CEMETERY AND FUNERAL BUREAU
Licensee Name:   RUIZ JESUS MIGUEL
License Type:   EMBALMER
License Number:   8473
License Status:   CLEAR Definition
Expiration Date:   April 30, 2010
Issue Date:   April 08, 1998
County:   LOS ANGELES
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=8473&P_LTE_ID=728


doc2: http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime) ... 81072a.jpg

Christopher Rogers MD as the certifying Physician or Coroner. He is listed at the:
LOS ANGELES COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER-CORONER
Forensic Medicine - Christopher Rogers, M.D. 323-343-0715
http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oeswebsite.nsf/0/24E79A109ABCF25B8825743C007AB077?OpenDocument

All of these people seem to really exist....  :(


Im sure someone on the old MJHD site telephoned the Embalmer and spoke with him, cant for the life of me remember what the reply said exactly.   :roll:
Title: Re: Death Certificate.. anything new here? World Exclusive?
Post by: Shout on January 11, 2010, 03:02:11 AM
Quote from: "lisap27"
its got the embalmer's name on it!!   :shock: JESUS MIGUEL RUIZ

SOMETHING HAS JUST POPPED OUT!!!

it says DEPOSITION DATE 07/07/09 FORREST LAWN..

THEN IT SAY DEPOSTION TEMP!! what does that mean!!! i thought he was buried there!!

Why are so many people do not listen to me... :(
Please take a look here, there has been alot discussed and it will answer your questions. Many topics are discussed there not only that the burial on September might be not true:

Here the link:http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=2982
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: simplyme on January 12, 2010, 01:51:17 AM
Quote from: "the_lost_child"
Why there's LaToya's name on it? Is it because she did the formal stuff regarding funeral or is it because she applied for getting this document? If it's so, then it must be fake, 'cause she couldn't apply it, being since 30.12.2009 till now in Europe...

Every death record has an informant.  It can be anyone that informed.  In this case it was Latoya.  That death certicate was done months ago.  Look at the date on it - not the puchase date that is probably on the bottom.  It's not fake.
Title: Re: Death Certificate..? World Exclusive Claim?
Post by: MyMindseye on January 15, 2010, 02:47:53 PM
The Death Certificate is bogus there are no signatures on it only names so no signature means no legal laws broken. I have searched and looked over death certificates of celebs I KNOW are dead and there is always a handwritten signature plus they still have him listed at Havenhurst but the missing signatures mean to me anyway that he is alive. :D
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