Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Persons Of Interest => Everyone Else => Others => Topic started by: DancingTheDream on January 23, 2010, 12:22:59 PM
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Why oh why have they hidden the video of THAT kiss between MJ and Tatiana during the Bad concert?
The only footage we have is this:
[youtube:2p44fgn3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr-CH4OXOKo&feature=related[/youtube:2p44fgn3]
So we know TV cameras were there and filmed the whole thing in Kansas. So who has the footage and why is it being witheld?
I cant fathom it... its as if MJ kissing a girl on stage is the worst thing anyone could see! :lol: Why is Michael or his people hiding it when all the fans want to see it!!!!! I want to see it so i can see MJs reaction to it.. whether it really was a one way thing, if MJ really did bite his lip and if it was a full on snog that MJ went into full throttle. :lol: I want to see if MJ looked happy or annoyed.
Aargh.. anyone know why this footage has disappeared?
Tatiana talks of the kiss in this video: I feel for her, she seems to have been deeply affected by her love for MJ and never seemed to get over it. Unrequited love really does hurt. Poor girl.
Look at the way he looks at her at 01:05!
[youtube:2p44fgn3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GjMhedYVAg&feature=related[/youtube:2p44fgn3]
[youtube:2p44fgn3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjNgx8xe3Nw[/youtube:2p44fgn3]
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OMG.. i just found this.. Im getting nearer. You can HEAR the kiss.
[youtube:2q01edvj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1ITnvLzO4s[/youtube:2q01edvj]
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This video blends the audio with the video we do have,... the kiss is DEFINITELY CUT OFF AND DELETED!
[youtube:1dit82c2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUFuWIu7u30[/youtube:1dit82c2]
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I didn't know anything about Tatiana before this forum. Actually, the only time you see MJ kissing a girl is when he kissed Lisa Marie. It is strange that they have hid the kiss!! The only reason I can think of, and it is far-fetched, is that they did not want to offend his gay fans (remember the Bashir interview). That remark has always puzzled me. Does MJ have a big gay following? I thought women were crazy about him. Or maybe it was against his religion. But Tatiana says Katherine approved of her. She was invited to the private funeral. This is interesting.
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Someone has it and they are hiding it!! See how good MJ and his people are at hiding things?
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I didn't know anything about Tatiana before this forum. Actually, the only time you see MJ kissing a girl is when he kissed Lisa Marie. It is strange that they have hid the kiss!! The only reason I can think of, and it is far-fetched, is that they did not want to offend his gay fans (remember the Bashir interview). That remark has always puzzled me. Does MJ have a big gay following? I thought women were crazy about him. Or maybe it was against his religion. But Tatiana says Katherine approved of her. She was invited to the private funeral. This is interesting.
That is not why they hid the kiss, they hid it because MJ and Tatiana liked each other but Michael never mixed buissness with pleasure he even said in moonwalk he didn't like when women would fall for him and become unprofessional, also michael had a crush on her and really liked her and his mother even tried to hook then up but she got kicked of the tour by Frankie for kissing him on stage because she became unprofessional her excuse was "he bit his lip as if to challenge me " honey he bites his lip all the time if that's what it meant then women would be kissing that man like crazy, anyways, she got kicked off the tour by Frankie because Frankie didn't want her being unprofessional, and he didn't want michael in a relationship at the time because he wanted Michael's focus on his music only.
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@Jacksongirl.. but why hide it now? After all these years. I want to see it.. i want to see if MJ looks like he is happy and if it is a one way kiss or a recipricated thing. In the audio you can hear him chuckling as if he is happy.
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@Jacksongirl.. but why hide it now? After all these years. I want to see it.. i want to see if MJ looks like he is happy and if it is a one way kiss or a recipricated thing. In the audio you can hear him chuckling as if he is happy.
it has always been hidden lol they never showed it to the public, we've heard about it from Tatiana , but the video was never released they got rid of it right away.
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I have the video from the performance.. its the first one i posted... but the kiss is cut.
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I have the video from the performance.. its the first one i posted... but the kiss is cut.
yes thats what im trying to say it was cut out right away, because the management fired her and didnt want that getting out , because it was unprofessional. tatiana talks about it but you can never find it on dvd or any videos because they got rid of it
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:cry: :cry:
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That is not why they hid the kiss, they hid it because MJ and Tatiana liked each other but Michael never mixed buissness with pleasure he even said in moonwalk he didn't like when women would fall for him and become unprofessional, also michael had a crush on her and really liked her and his mother even tried to hook then up but she got kicked of the tour by Frankie for kissing him on stage because she became unprofessional her excuse was "he bit his lip as if to challenge me " honey he bites his lip all the time if that's what it meant then women would be kissing that man like crazy, anyways, she got kicked off the tour by Frankie because Frankie didn't want her being unprofessional, and he didn't want michael in a relationship at the time because he wanted Michael's focus on his music only.[/quote]
Thanks for explaining what happened. So they really liked each other! Tatiana came on too strong, spoiling her chances for a relationship (I remember her saying she wanted to change the routine a bit, that must have upset someone). Well, that's too bad. She seemed to have genuinely liked him, even to this day.
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That is not why they hid the kiss, they hid it because MJ and Tatiana liked each other but Michael never mixed buissness with pleasure he even said in moonwalk he didn't like when women would fall for him and become unprofessional, also michael had a crush on her and really liked her and his mother even tried to hook then up but she got kicked of the tour by Frankie for kissing him on stage because she became unprofessional her excuse was "he bit his lip as if to challenge me " honey he bites his lip all the time if that's what it meant then women would be kissing that man like crazy, anyways, she got kicked off the tour by Frankie because Frankie didn't want her being unprofessional, and he didn't want michael in a relationship at the time because he wanted Michael's focus on his music only.
Thanks for explaining what happened. So they really liked each other! Tatiana came on too strong, spoiling her chances for a relationship (I remember her saying she wanted to change the routine a bit, that must have upset someone). Well, that's too bad. She seemed to have genuinely liked him, even to this day.[/quote]
yes thats right she is still madly in love with him, but he simply didn;t mix the two, he liked her his mom even admitted he loved her but nothing happened because she was kicked off the tour for being unprofessional and then after that they lost touch. but his family really liked her and in my opinion i think shes ten times better than LMP no offense im not an LMP fan i think her personality stinks :P lol
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I thought even MJ agreed with Tatiana being fired because he thought she was taking advantage of the trust he gave her. But IDK it was what I heard and maybe he chuckled because at the time he wasn't that comfrotable with a lot of things and that was more a nervous laugh??? We know that MJ in the time on the BAD tour wasn't the same that in the History tour, he was far more confident at the time he kissed LMP in public.
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I thought even MJ agreed with Tatiana being fired because he thought she was taking advantage of the trust he gave her. But IDK it was what I heard and maybe he chuckled because at the time he wasn't that comfrotable with a lot of things and that was more a nervous laugh??? We know that MJ in the time on the BAD tour wasn't the same that in the History tour, he was far more confident at the time he kissed LMP in public.
No he never said anything and he didn;t have much control over the situation, but he was sad to see her get fired cause he liked her, but he didn;t mix , if you were hired to be professional, then thats what he wanted to to remain, Michael didn;t like girls becoming unprofessional towards him.
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OK. Here's my take on all of this.
Tatiana was hired to do a job...period.
She took it a bit too far and lost sight of the fact that although she was performing with MJ, she was there to do a job and be professional.
It was rehearsed and she knew what to do.
To decide on her own to change it up a little was a mistake and it cost her.
However, to be fired over it was harsh. A reprimand would have sufficed. DeLeo, IMO, didn't want ANYONE to stand in the way of his fortune even though it could have brought a little bit of normalcy to Michael's life.
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We all saw in tii how profesional michael was when he was performing I was surprised it showed the firm but kind side he was in controll all the time and people did asthey were told it was good to see I always had this vision of him being pushed about and being bossed about but the film showed the business side the performer in him maybe that was why the kiss was cut it must have been micheals call
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I've always wanted to see that kiss, well a bit more lately since I was about 1 or 2 years old when it actually happened :lol: I wanna see the kiss! He is gorgeous and so was she it must be a beautiful sight :D
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they are friends to this day she was at fake funeral its ok guys i like herxxx :)
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[youtube:13flav9k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgq-o9SDhf8[/youtube:13flav9k]
Now you sort of can see THE kiss haha
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[youtube:q19j0w1z]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgq-o9SDhf8[/youtube:q19j0w1z]
Now you sort of can see THE kiss haha
I just repeated it 5 times, LOL!
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I heard that Tat admitted to making everything up. She liked him and he liked her, yes, but anything was false.
how about this!!!! Hes so funny..he cant even sing!!!
[youtube:2jxh3b6e]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcKgnksz3RM[/youtube:2jxh3b6e]
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@thejacksonologist.. that is so funny. Especiallly when she says "i love you" into the microphone.. you can see MJ cracking up with laughter. :lol:
I had a thought about the Tatiana kiss. MJ has the footage, right... he has kept it just like he kept the Pepsi burn footage and didnt release it.
But the Pepsi footage got leaked after his "death"... so i think at some point the Tatiana kiss will get leaked.
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@thejacksonologist.. that is so funny. Especiallly when she says "i love you" into the microphone.. you can see MJ cracking up with laughter. :lol:
I had a thought about the Tatiana kiss. MJ has the footage, right... he has kept it just like he kept the Pepsi burn footage and didnt release it.
But the Pepsi footage got leaked after his "death"... so i think at some point the Tatiana kiss will get leaked.
I know!! I think he was into her.....
I dont know if that kiss will be released.....there would be no reason for it to be released. The Pepsi footage at least had some bearing on his "death"...to make us believe he was addicted...the kiss...IDK what grounds he would have to release that....I hope he does though!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgq-o9SDhf8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgq-o9SDhf8)
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It's my feeling that Michael's church also had a part to play on what he said and did. Maybe he had them remove the kiss so that he wouldn't get called in to the elders to explain his actions. They didn't even like him doing Thriller and created a huge fuss about it. They had a lot of control over him until he finally left the church. But then, again, Michael has said many times that he didn't want to offend any of his fans. IDK why people used to think he could be gay or even a-sexual. If anyone pays attention (and WE do) at how he looks at a woman they would know he was neither.
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she is pretty
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I just think that he just wasn't that into her.
If he was he would have contacted her at some point. I know that men like to be the persuer in at least the early stages of a relationship, and I think he had that oppertunity after the tour was over.
He knew that she would be receptive to it... I dunno, that is just my opinion.
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I think it was because M is so professional and he didn't want to mix his personal and professional lifes.As it's said in my country: donde tengas la olla no... :lol: :lol: :lol: , sorry it's only for spanish speakers.
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He was not into her I remember hearing his private conversation she really was but not him
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He was not into her I remember hearing his private conversation she really was but not him
what private conversation?
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is she now married, does she have children
i hope her life has moved on
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is she now married, does she have children
i hope her life has moved on
I dont think Tatiana ever married or had children, no. :?
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is she now married, does she have children
i hope her life has moved on
I dont think Tatiana ever married or had children, no. :?
such a shame for such a pretty girl
she should do so and move on - lifes just too short
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He was not into her I remember hearing his private conversation she really was but not him
what private conversation?
private conversation on the phone
u can find it on youtube
He named her Tate
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I didn't know anything about Tatiana before this forum. Actually, the only time you see MJ kissing a girl is when he kissed Lisa Marie. It is strange that they have hid the kiss!! The only reason I can think of, and it is far-fetched, is that they did not want to offend his gay fans (remember the Bashir interview). That remark has always puzzled me. Does MJ have a big gay following? I thought women were crazy about him. Or maybe it was against his religion. But Tatiana says Katherine approved of her. She was invited to the private funeral. This is interesting.
That is not why they hid the kiss, they hid it because MJ and Tatiana liked each other but Michael never mixed business with pleasure he even said in moonwalk he didn't like when women would fall for him and become unprofessional, also Michael had a crush on her and really liked her and his mother even tried to hook then up but she got kicked of the tour by Frankie for kissing him on stage because she became unprofessional her excuse was "he bit his lip as if to challenge me " honey he bites his lip all the time if that's what it meant then women would be kissing that man like crazy, anyways, she got kicked off the tour by Frankie because Frankie didn't want her being unprofessional, and he didn't want Michael in a relationship at the time because he wanted Michael's focus on his music only.
hey guys, people don't know much about Frank...He was hired as MJ's No man. MJ had a hard time saying NO to people and this is one of the reasons why Frank was hired. Frank had the nick name "the NO man" If he yelled and fired Tatiana, it was at MJ's own request. He mentioned in the Rabbi tapes that some women he would work with (I'm sure he was talking about Tatiana) would have crushes on him and follow him around the world. Rabbi asked him what would you do to show her that you didn't reciprocate and MJ said...run away. Rabbi asked why he didn't confront this woman and he said that he couldn't hurt her feelings. I have no doubt he had an attraction to her, (he said he doesn't hire any female co star that he isn't attracted to) . Frank wasn't keeping them apart. MJ took his religious teachings of the JW very seriously. Just look at the Dangerous Lyrics...ler lips were drop as a honey comb, her mouth was smoother than oil...and something about a two edged sword...these are all quotes taken straight from the story of Solomon in the Bible. Those words are used to describe a female seductress in Solomon. If you go onto the JW website and look at the section that deals with premarital sex....they quote Solomon quite often, even so far as to include the description of honey comb, oil and two edged sword. Just like MJ did in Dangerous, in dangerous he is telling us his religeous views and the internal conflict he is having with them because of his desire for this woman...that is why it is so dangerous! MJ was very conflicted about his desire (billie jean, dirty Diana, dangerous to name a few) and the pressure to stay abstinent, to stay away from "sin" as he says in dangerous. Tatiana was fired because after the bad tour kiss, MJ realized that she wasn't afraid to make a move now, he was able to control himself before this kiss, but now that she is the aggressor, he had to fire her in order to protect himself from not being able to resist. She should be flattered that he let her go. If she understood his religious views and morals, then she would have been flattered and not hurt.
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Thank you for your explanation. I agree with you concerning the importance of religion and how that figures into this conflict. It seems to me that Tatiana acted rashly and should have given the relationship time. Why would you kiss Michael during a performance? It must have been very awkward for him. Perhaps she was encouraged to do so because of outside influences (his mother?). It all seems so sad in retrospect; perhaps the relationship could have blossomed had she given him time.
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you can hear him chuckle, but in an uncomfortable, surprised way. & he didn't look mad in the pictures, just surprised. but i do think she was fired because it is unprofessional & ONSTAGE in front of his FANS. he was always & still is a very professional person & also never wanted to upset the fans. soooo therefore, she was fired, wrong place, very wrong time. poor girl, she was & still is very pretty & had she handled herself in a better way, things might have turned out better for her. like i don't know, maybe keeping her feelings outside of "work", onstage she was an "employee" she was there to do a job as a PROFESSIONAL, everything else should have been left behind once she got on that stage, her mistake. such a shame she never married or even moved on though :| she came on too strong & let her "crush" get out of hand which probably turned him off, but he needed someone who cared that much about him in his life, other than family, you know? anyways though, i feel bad for her.
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you can hear him chuckle, but in an uncomfortable, surprised way. & he didn't look mad in the pictures, just surprised. but i do think she was fired because it is unprofessional & ONSTAGE in front of his FANS. he was always & still is a very professional person & also never wanted to upset the fans. soooo therefore, she was fired, wrong place, very wrong time. poor girl, she was & still is very pretty & had she handled herself in a better way, things might have turned out better for her. like i don't know, maybe keeping her feelings outside of "work", onstage she was an "employee" she was there to do a job as a PROFESSIONAL, everything else should have been left behind once she got on that stage, her mistake. such a shame she never married or even moved on though :| she came on too strong & let her "crush" get out of hand which probably turned him off, but he needed someone who cared that much about him in his life, other than family, you know? anyways though, i feel bad for her.
i think your right.
i havent read her book but maybe this was bad advice again. i would not read a kiss and tell book about mj - he wasnt like that and i dont think he would have appreciated it
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for what I gathered Michael absolutely doesn't want to mix work with private life, he doesn't want to get involved with a woman who work with; she was fired because she was unprofessional, she tried to kiss him on stage and he hated it. He might have been attracted to her, right, but he didn't want to show that on stage. Being a perfectionist he couldn't accept that, and she was fired.
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for what I gathered Michael absolutely doesn't want to mix work with private life, he doesn't want to get involved with a woman who work with; she was fired because she was unprofessional, she tried to kiss him on stage and he hated it. He might have been attracted to her, right, but he didn't want to show that on stage. Being a perfectionist he couldn't accept that, and she was fired.
like what you said about what is acceptable on stage and not on stage.
she may have misunderstood him and went too far,
he may have fancied her, but that does not mean you wanted to go the next step because you sometimes dont, and not on stage
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exactly. He said women he worked with always misanderstood the feeling, he said he couldn' work with a woman if he wasn't attracted to her but... at the same time he didn't , in any way, want to get involved. So it was hard to contain them and sometimes he had to run away to get rid of them :lol: :lol:
I think they might have flirted but he didn't want to get too far, especially on stage. She did. She made a mistake. She was fired.
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exactly. He said women he worked with always misanderstood the feeling, he said he couldn' work with a woman if he wasn't attracted to her but... at the same time he didn't , in any way, want to get involved. So it was hard to contain them and sometimes he had to run away to get rid of them :lol: :lol:
I think they might have flirted but he didn't want to get too far, especially on stage. She did. She made a mistake. She was fired.
but the job would have ended at some stage, what has she done since?
when she was at the funeral she looked good - yes but stuck in time
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exactly. He said women he worked with always misanderstood the feeling, he said he couldn' work with a woman if he wasn't attracted to her but... at the same time he didn't , in any way, want to get involved. So it was hard to contain them and sometimes he had to run away to get rid of them :lol: :lol:
I think they might have flirted but he didn't want to get too far, especially on stage. She did. She made a mistake. She was fired.
but the job would have ended at some stage, what has she done since?
when she was at the funeral she looked good - yes but stuck in time
I think he wouldn't get involved with a woman who had worked with, that's what I understand from what he said. Even after the job is over. I might be wrong though, it's just what I understood.
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I think MJ and Tatiana had chemistry for sure. You can see it in the video The way you make me feel. I like when they hug at the end that was cute. I think they had something going on behind the scenes but his manager probably didn't want MJ to get distracted by her being on tour with him after that kiss on stage. MJ also had a lot of female fans so he had to keep that single guy image going. Those photos are proof that they were attracted to each other. I believe he enjoyed that kiss with her. They were like all over each other during that kiss. He had his hand all on her hips and it didn't look like he was trying to push her away. I've seen some other playful photos with them and they looked good together as a couple.
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There is attraction of course, he admitted it. But I don't think it's the manager who didn't want them to get involved, he said HE didn't want to get involved with partners, he was against it. I think Michael was strong willed, I don't buy the the theory other people decide for him. He is very stubborn and strongwilled.
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I think MJ and Tatiana had chemistry for sure. You can seeit in the video The way you make me feel. I like when they hug at the end that was cute. I think they had something going on behind the scenes but his manager probably didn't want MJ to get distracted by her being on tour with him after that kiss on stage. MJ also had a lot of female fans so he had to keep that single guy image going. Those photos are proof that they were attracted to each other. I believe he enjoyed that kiss with her. They were like all over each other during that kiss. He had his hand all on her hips and it didn't look like he was trying to push her away. I've seen some other playful photos with them and they looked good together as a couple.
they had a similar sideway profile.
well she was there alot on tour and had lots of photo's but it could be publicity - what the public wanted to believe, what they wanted to see, some steaminess.
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were they seen out socially?
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were they seen out socially?
not that I recall of
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I think MJ and Tatiana had chemistry for sure. You can seeit in the video The way you make me feel. I like when they hug at the end that was cute. I think they had something going on behind the scenes but his manager probably didn't want MJ to get distracted by her being on tour with him after that kiss on stage. MJ also had a lot of female fans so he had to keep that single guy image going. Those photos are proof that they were attracted to each other. I believe he enjoyed that kiss with her. They were like all over each other during that kiss. He had his hand all on her hips and it didn't look like he was trying to push her away. I've seen some other playful photos with them and they looked good together as a couple.
they had a similar sideway profile.
well she was there alot on tour and had lots of photo's but it could be publicity - what the public wanted to believe, what they wanted to see, some steaminess.
Yeah they kinda did favor a little. They had the same curly hair. Both attractive together.
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i dont know why i am commenting - i dont - i think mikes romantic life is private - so i will take my leave here - this is a good thread - its a kind one
god bless
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but then again i found this
tatiana - said it was an agreed kiss
but different from what i thought she had said
she kept a journal of her awful experiences she says
the timing of the release of her book was during mikes 2005 trial
she was not supportive of him -- yucky person
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=mW4fk8pZwfA&feature=related[/YouTube]
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Why oh why have they hidden the video of THAT kiss between MJ and Tatiana during the Bad concert?
The only footage we have is this:
[youtube:2h04rei1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr-CH4OXOKo&feature=related[/youtube:2h04rei1]
So we know TV cameras were there and filmed the whole thing in Kansas. So who has the footage and why is it being witheld?
I cant fathom it... its as if MJ kissing a girl on stage is the worst thing anyone could see! :lol: Why is Michael or his people hiding it when all the fans want to see it!!!!! I want to see it so i can see MJs reaction to it.. whether it really was a one way thing, if MJ really did bite his lip and if it was a full on snog that MJ went into full throttle. :lol: I want to see if MJ looked happy or annoyed.
Aargh.. anyone know why this footage has disappeared?
Tatiana talks of the kiss in this video: I feel for her, she seems to have been deeply affected by her love for MJ and never seemed to get over it. Unrequited love really does hurt. Poor girl.
Look at the way he looks at her at 01:05!
[youtube:2h04rei1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GjMhedYVAg&feature=related[/youtube:2h04rei1]
[youtube:2h04rei1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjNgx8xe3Nw[/youtube:2h04rei1]
I believe to have seen that kiss but did not think it was such a big deal. She seems to make more of it than it actually was
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i think you right
she said that mike was always professional to her, he never said anything to her, he just bite his lip on stage and she took this as a challenge
she said that it was other pp saying that he liked her
she had nothing from him
she said she kept a journal about her awful experiences with mj
and it was release during his most horrible trial
no wonder she kept her head down at the funeral - shame
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Tatiana was hired as a dancer for the concerts period, the first mistake she made was assuming she could change the routine of the show, as she said in so many words herself, second mistake she made was in assuming Micheals body language (bitting his bottom lip) was a cue to her. Frank is not the big bad wolf, for his decision to fire her from the tour, he did what MIcheal was paying him for, if Micheal did not approve of his decision she would have stayed on the tour, it was his tour. As a dancer she crossed the line, she forgot her reponsiblity to be professional, and keep her feelings under control. For Michael to have female dancers is a huge risk, some women think that Michael wants to be with them just because he is being nice to them, and it puts alot of stress on him I am sure.
To work for Michael is a huge responsibility, and part of that is, he is trusting the people he hires are mature enough to do the job, if he allows professionlism to be mixed with personal feelings he would not have been where he was in his career.
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Tatiana was hired as a dancer for the concerts period, the first mistake she made was assuming she could change the routine of the show, as she said in so many words herself, second mistake she made was in assuming Micheals body language (bitting his bottom lip) was a cue to her. Frank is not the big bad wolf, for his decision to fire her from the tour, he did what MIcheal was paying him for, if Micheal did not approve of his decision she would have stayed on the tour, it was his tour. As a dancer she crossed the line, she forgot her reponsiblity to be professional, and keep her feelings under control. For Michael to have female dancers is a huge risk, some women think that Michael wants to be with them just because he is being nice to them, and it puts alot of stress on him I am sure.
To work for Michael is a huge responsibility, and part of that is, he is trusting the people he hires are mature enough to do the job, if he allows professionlism to be mixed with personal feelings he would not have been where he was in his career.
great post very measured
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but then again i found this
tatiana - said it was an agreed kiss
but different from what i thought she had said
she kept a journal of her awful experiences she says
the timing of the release of her book was during mikes 2005 trial
she was not supportive of him -- yucky person
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=mW4fk8pZwfA&feature=related[/YouTube]
Michael may have had his handlers but he was in complete control of it all. Please don't believe everything that you hear. He wasn't some softee who did what he was told. He was the puppet master and they did exactly what they were told. When it comes to his business affairs he is also a very good judge of character which is why he had the best--and very few people working for him. The saying was "With Michael, you're always on trial...". If he felt that he wasn't getting what he'd needed from someone, they had to go--simply put. That woman was hideous and deserved to be fired!! There was no doubt that the attraction was there (she was hand chosen by him amongst several girls to be his leading lady in the video). However; if she had just done her job and remained professional the outcome probably would've been completely different. Their working relaitionship began well and he was beginning to trust her which is why she was invited to go on tour with them. She wanted more from him and was blatantly trying to seduce him. Had he given her some, she's the type that would've been blabbing about the details if she hadn't gotten a ring--and he knew this. In some interviews she has said that the kiss was planned--and he was in agreement, but in others she said that his people knew about it and thought it would be great. That was her way of making the first move. He saw that she wasn't any different than the groupies that he'd come in contact with in the past. She'd made comments like "Look at me, I've had several big names in Hollywood chasing me..." Eddie Murphy was supposedly one of them. She'd also accused Robert Deniro of inapproprriately touching her during filming of a movie that she'd done with him. She showed her true colors when she released that low-budget book, in a futile attempt to blackball him because her truth was exposed. Did anyone see the press junkets for her book? She insinuated that he wasn't interested in her because he surrounded himself with young boys during the tour all of the time. She'd said that they would be waiting outside of his room and hurried in, but when she'd attempt to go to talk about something pressing she was turned away. That's why it all backfired. That book was about as interesting as last month's newspaper. It was deplorable and very hurtful to MJ especially since it was happening during the wake of the molestation allegations. He had his suspicions and obviously got over it because he was absolutely right about her. Now she's known as the girl from Michael Jackson's "The Way You Make Me Feel Video whose guilt has led her to selling paintings/drawings of him on Ebay. She's pitiful. Sheryl Crow was a better choice for the job.
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but then again i found this
tatiana - said it was an agreed kiss
but different from what i thought she had said
she kept a journal of her awful experiences she says
the timing of the release of her book was during mikes 2005 trial
she was not supportive of him -- yucky person
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=mW4fk8pZwfA&feature=related[/YouTube]
Michael may have had his handlers but he was in complete control of it all. Please don't believe everything that you hear. He wasn't some softee who did what he was told. He was the puppet master and they did exactly what they were told. When it comes to his business affairs he is also a very good judge of character which is why he had the best--and very few people working for him. The saying was "With Michael, you're always on trial...". If he felt that he wasn't getting what he'd needed from someone, they had to go--simply put. That woman was hideous and deserved to be fired!! There was no doubt that the attraction was there (she was hand chosen by him amongst several girls to be his leading lady in the video). However; if she had just done her job and remained professional the outcome probably would've been completely different. Their working relaitionship began well and he was beginning to trust her which is why she was invited to go on tour with them. She wanted more from him and was blatantly trying to seduce him. Had he given her some, she's the type that would've been blabbing about the details if she hadn't gotten a ring--and he knew this. In some interviews she has said that the kiss was planned--and he was in agreement, but in others she said that his people knew about it and thought it would be great. That was her way of making the first move. He saw that she wasn't any different than the groupies that he'd come in contact with in the past. She'd made comments like "Look at me, I've had several big names in Hollywood chasing me..." Eddie Murphy was supposedly one of them. She'd also accused Robert Deniro of inapproprriately touching her during filming of a movie that she'd done with him. She showed her true colors when she released that low-budget book, in a futile attempt to blackball him because her truth was exposed. Did anyone see the press junkets for her book? She insinuated that he wasn't interested in her because he surrounded himself with young boys during the tour all of the time. She'd said that they would be waiting outside of his room and hurried in, but when she'd attempt to go to talk about something pressing she was turned away. That's why it all backfired. That book was about as interesting as last month's newspaper. It was deplorable and very hurtful to MJ especially since it was happening during the wake of the molestation allegations. He had his suspicions and obviously got over it because he was absolutely right about her. Now she's known as the girl from Michael Jackson's "The Way You Make Me Feel Video whose guilt has led her to selling paintings/drawings of him on Ebay. She's pitiful. Sheryl Crow was a better choice for the job.
I think her and Ola Ray are still obsessed with MJ. I think they may both be bitter because they didn't get the relationship with MJ they wanted. I mean I believe there was something between MJ and Tatiana but I don't think he wanted to get deep into a relationship with her. Ola Ray she's tacky. I saw her on a video clip for the afterparty for This is it and she was acting unlady like.
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As a dancer she crossed the line, she forgot her reponsiblity to be professional, and keep her feelings under control.
Agree ;)
Even if they could have been a couple then, some feelings must be kept a side ;)
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As a dancer she crossed the line, she forgot her reponsiblity to be professional, and keep her feelings under control.
Agree ;)
Even if they could have been a couple then, some feelings must be kept a side ;)
Maybe Tatiana got too caught up in the moment with MJ and she forgot she was suppose to be performing. She probably just focusing on her man. :D She said MJ gave her a look like he was challenging her so she seized the moment.
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She got driven my her passion (an I understand her) but the impact for the business could have been devastating.
MJ was the golden single man,selling a lot...having a woman in public would make the company lose billions of dollars ;)
The way Michael turned his head backwards when he got the kiss say a lot to me.
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themjkiss i so agree with u, i admit the fact that MJ liked her cause she is very pretty, she seems to be a very nice girl and i like her very much but i think if MJ was really in love with her, he would not exclude her from his life, She herself has claimed that when she went to see Michael, she was not allowed and i'm sure that FD had not the right to dictate MJ what to do, Michael was the boss,it was him who was dictating Frank what to do, so i think if MJ really wanted Tatiana to stay, She wouldnt have bee fired, it seems it was MJ's decision to fire her, really sad, i would like them to be together, they would have made a perfect couple but it seems that MJ didn't share the same feelings
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Yet, she was invited to the funeral by Katherine. How do you explain that?
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I just saw these recent posts and didn't read through most of them so this may have already been said. With respect to Tatiana, MJ doesn't speak of her specifically but girls in his shows, in general terms. I've been reading the Rabbi Schmuley Tapes, which I resisted doing because I don't appreciate schmuley but a friend convinced me because lots of MJ's own words are documented and you can skip schmuley' s silly commentary. The interviews aren't really disrespectful or encroaching on MJ's privacy. Just insightful reading to me. The media sensationalized it with what they chose to highlight...
In essence, and I'm paraphrasing, MJ says he doesn't like "pushy" women and girls that throw themselves at him and demand all of his attention. He likes his freedom and a woman who would value that in him. He didn't ask for the kiss, didn't know it was going to happen from what I've read elsewhere.
We know from other interviews that MJ appreciates and practices modesty and he intimates in the tapes that he has a hard time with people who are "clingy."
He says that he always picked the girl who would perform with him but if it became clingy, which was often the case, he would have someone on his team let the girl know because if he himself turned them away, it would hurt them too much. I can understand that.
Not having a lot of history about the other women in his shows and never hearing of other issues like Tatiana, I assume this comment was in large part about her. I did read elsewhere that Mrs. Jackson liked Tatiana very, very much but this is not necessarily how MJ felt. Perhaps Mrs. Jackson felt sorry for Tatiana and invited her to the funeral. I don't know, he's never said he didn't like Tatiana, but the comment that he'd have someone on his team "usher" a girl away from his shows, says alot about his feelings regarding girls like her, imo.
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i think a combination of several factors is the key here:
frank dileo is strictly business. he fired tatiana cuz he didn't want mike to be in a relationship that might have gotten public and it kinda did with that kiss. that's one more reason to cut it out, too. make ppl forget it happened. it was prob very obvious that this wasn't just a stage kiss but true romance going on. that would've prob did some 'damage' to mike's fame since so many female fans also meant a lot of money power. they didn't need that kinda outrage or possible money loss at the time and no risk for the tour to be jeopardized in any way. maybe frank also thought it would be 'inappropriate' for mike to be in a relationship with one of his dancers, presswise and all. just imagine the hype if they had made that public...frank was strictly into prevention of anything distracting the tour's success. businesswise it was prob the only thing to do, although terrible on the human side.
i also think it was mutual and they got carried away on stage. both of them. it's all visible in the shortfilm 'the way you make me feel' and tatiana also talks about the shooting and how mike was 'playing around' with her. chemistry galore, imo. everytime i watch that shortfilm, i can't help to think that they seem to be the perfect couple.
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I have the idea that MJ worked with people he knew he would not fall in love with.
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Here is a great blog on Tatiana's motives:
http://senoritavilleta.wordpress.com/20 (http://senoritavilleta.wordpress.com/20) ... comment-23
Poor Katherine just wanted to see her son portrayed in a different light for a change. I think Tatiana exaggerates Katherine's encouragement and consent for credibility. Michael wasn't some underage child with a school yard crush. Keep in mind that this is a man who has been married twice before. Obviously Frank didn't have the power to keep him from a going public with a commitment. In fact, both relationships/marriages didn't do much for his image nor did his fans loose sleep over them. She had first crack at him, and after the big revalation (the kiss), if he were interested in her she could've willingly left the tour so that they could've kept the relationship a HUGE secret for the sake of his image. He wasn't in love with her, he didn't trust her--and his intuition proved him right!!!
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@2muchmjluv:
i deleted your other post with tatiana's link because it was the same thing twice. but the link doesn't seem to work. could you please edit and provide a working link?
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Here's my opinion on the whole thing (funny how we're still talking about this kiss so many years later :lol: )
I know a lot of people that have met Tatiana in person and everyone says she's very very sweet and extremely gorgeous! I don't doubt that, and I've heard Tatiana say that her and Michael were in love with each other and I thought they had a relationship but maybe they didn't...I think it's apparent that he had some sort of feelings for her and they had great chemistry, and although Michael probably liked the kiss, he is an extremely professional man and he didn't want that to get in the way of his career, especially at that moment because his life was his career in the 80s.
I know for a fact that Tatiana is still not over Michael, and I don't quite know what to make of this...I mean he obviously moved on...just because they have chemistry in that video, it doesn't mean much..Michael has chemistry with the girl in ALL of his videos! He had many relationships after Tati and was married twice and now has three children...while she never got married or had kids?... And on Tatis real facebook after his death she kept posting things like "Michael and I were true soul mates..We were always meant to be, evil people kept us apart...Michael was in love with me...We had real love, we were made for each other" etc, etc. So...idk. Even if he was in love with her, he definitely moved on. If he wanted her that bad he would have done something to be with her. I agree they made an extremely cute couple and if I met her ever I'm sure she'd be lovely and sweet...but the fact that she's still so clingy about Mike makes me iffy about her...
I didnt watch the videos of her ...I dont like to listen to her talk about Michael for some reason...Her side of the story doesn't seem like it'd be the most reliable.
In my opinion I just get jealous of any girl who gets to work/dance with him/KISS him! ;)
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This thread makes me think about a comedy routine that Richard Pryor did. I saw a little of it today on tv one. He was talking about the fact that it was hard for him to commit himself to one woman. He said he was the type of man that would like to be intimate with a female then when he get sick of her he kick her to the curb. That was before he got married. Maybe MJ just wasn't the type to hold a long term relationship. He probably didn't have a desire for one since he was so busy and committed to his music and fans. I think it would take a very special woman to be with a man of that fame.
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I think it would take a very special woman to be with a man of that fame.
I completely 100% agree.
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COULD BE TATIANA BLANKET´S SECRET MOTHER???
(DON´T BE RUDE, PLEASE)
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I think it would take a very special woman to be with a man of that fame.
I completely 100% agree.[/quote
I agree with both of you. Keep the Faith!
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COULD BE TATIANA BLANKET´S SECRET MOTHER???
(DON´T BE RUDE, PLEASE)
:)
doubt it. I dont think Michael had anything to do with Tati after the 80s. Even if he did I highly doubt they were so close as to have a child together. Plus Tatiana doesnt seem like the type of person who'd be able to keep quiet about that sort of thing :lol:
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Here's my opinion on the whole thing (funny how we're still talking about this kiss so many years later :lol: )
I know a lot of people that have met Tatiana in person and everyone says she's very very sweet and extremely gorgeous! I don't doubt that, and I've heard Tatiana say that her and Michael were in love with each other and I thought they had a relationship but maybe they didn't...I think it's apparent that he had some sort of feelings for her and they had great chemistry, and although Michael probably liked the kiss, he is an extremely professional man and he didn't want that to get in the way of his career, especially at that moment because his life was his career in the 80s.
I know for a fact that Tatiana is still not over Michael, and I don't quite know what to make of this...I mean he obviously moved on...just because they have chemistry in that video, it doesn't mean much..Michael has chemistry with the girl in ALL of his videos! He had many relationships after Tati and was married twice and now has three children...while she never got married or had kids?... And on Tatis real facebook after his death she kept posting things like "Michael and I were true soul mates..We were always meant to be, evil people kept us apart...Michael was in love with me...We had real love, we were made for each other" etc, etc. So...idk. Even if he was in love with her, he definitely moved on. If he wanted her that bad he would have done something to be with her. I agree they made an extremely cute couple and if I met her ever I'm sure she'd be lovely and sweet...but the fact that she's still so clingy about Mike makes me iffy about her...
I didnt watch the videos of her ...I dont like to listen to her talk about Michael for some reason...Her side of the story doesn't seem like it'd be the most reliable.
In my opinion I just get jealous of any girl who gets to work/dance with him/KISS him! ;)
Yeah, I hear you but is she confusing "Love" with "Guilt"???? Also, there were supposedly several men that wanted her, why hadn't she married, had children or moved on? She didn't do him right. She promoted her book and insinuated that he may have been guilty of child molestation. That was during a very difficult time, and her words could have hurt his case. She was a credible source having worked with him and all. She seems kinda psychotic. Glad that he's hidden. :lol:
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She seems kinda psychotic. Glad that he's hidden. :lol:
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But yeah I agree, I'm pretty sure her and Mike were not meant to be. Despite what her and her fans say. No offence.
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missdanipyt i so agree with u, on her real facebook page(i'm friends with her) she writes realy a lot of things about Michael, kinda:"Michael loved me, it was FD who made MJ fire me" she even once wrote that the "last days" of Michael's life he had talked a lot about Tatiana, about his feeling towards her, she says that she was informed about it by a family member, but i think it' s not true. I really feel sorry, she is a very sweet, cute and beautiful woman, i wish she loved somebody else, got married and had kids but it seems to me that she is still in love with MJ and will never move on and it's obvious that they liked each other in TWYMMF but l really dont think that MJ was ever seriously in love with her, if he was things would have been differnt
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IMO, mama knows best and I believe that michael should've gave her a second chance. No offense to Michael and his fans, but that's why his ass is not married because he to naive and he messes with the wrong women
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..i don't blame Tatiana...if I was on that stage I would have done the same :D ...who cares to be professional if you have in front Michael???? :lol:
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IMO, mama knows best and I believe that michael should've gave her a second chance. No offense to Michael and his fans, but that's why his ass is not married because he to naive and he messes with the wrong women
Or maybe its the opposite.. he was too wise not to be married! No woman was going to get his cash!
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missdanipyt i so agree with u, on her real facebook page(i'm friends with her) she writes realy a lot of things about Michael, kinda:"Michael loved me, it was FD who made MJ fire me" she even once wrote that the "last days" of Michael's life he had talked a lot about Tatiana, about his feeling towards her, she says that she was informed about it by a family member, but i think it' s not true. I really feel sorry, she is a very sweet, cute and beautiful woman, i wish she loved somebody else, got married and had kids but it seems to me that she is still in love with MJ and will never move on and it's obvious that they liked each other in TWYMMF but l really dont think that MJ was ever seriously in love with her, if he was things would have been differnt
But wht is wrong with that? atleast she's the only woman who expresses her love to mj, not like slutty ass lisa marie bashing michael saying that michael never love her and when he alellegly died she started acting all goody goody. What a hypocrite, i don't know why michael surrounds himself with slutty women like Pam Anderson, now what the hell he was doing with her back in 2007? That's disgusting! You fans want to talk about a woman who loved with a man, but i dont want to talk about ugly ass bitches who was with michael.And excuse my language
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..i don't blame Tatiana...if I was on that stage I would have done the same :D ...who cares to be professional if you have in front Michael???? :lol:
Exactly, she didnt know what was coming to her. Women whose in love with a men, do those kinds of things, I sure hell would've dont it too, I don't blame her she was in love and she still is, leave her alone
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bluepiggy- well i think she deserves to have her own loving family, she is a very sweet and cute girl and it's time for her to be happy and to move on, i think there are a lot of girls who love MJ unconditionally but he chose wrong women but it's only his business, noone can dictate his heart what to do, it was not his fault that he fell in love with those women,peace
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I see your point bluepiggy but like you say Tati couldnt help who she fell in love with, well Michael cant help who he falls in love with either, that doesnt make him naive. Every woman he's been with was not a slut or a bitch. What about Brooke Shields? They had a very sweet relationship. I think the reason Mike never got married is cuz its hard to find a woman that will truly love him for him and not use him for fame and money. I agree that Tati was caught up in the moment and its hard not to kiss Mike when youre up on stage like that but if she was really in love with him she should know better and have a little self control, she can kiss Mike once they're off stage. Maybe it was not love, maybe it was lust, then after she got fired it turned into love. You always want what you can't have. ;)
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what is her facebook page?
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I see your point bluepiggy but like you say Tati couldnt help who she fell in love with, well Michael cant help who he falls in love with either, that doesnt make him naive. Every woman he's been with was not a slut or a bitch. What about Brooke Shields? They had a very sweet relationship. I think the reason Mike never got married is cuz its hard to find a woman that will truly love him for him and not use him for fame and money. I agree that Tati was caught up in the moment and its hard not to kiss Mike when youre up on stage like that but if she was really in love with him she should know better and have a little self control, she can kiss Mike once they're off stage. Maybe it was not love, maybe it was lust, then after she got fired it turned into love. You always want what you can't have. ;)
They never been in a relationship. Brook and Michael, it was just a PR move, that's was it. And second they havent seen eachother in 20 years, she's another bitch who used michael. Self control? Who in the hell has self control when to comes to love, she has been expressing her love for michael since they met. And i dont think she just want the money, please, expressing her feelings towards michael for 25 years she wants money and fame? i dont think so! I think its more than that
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I see your point bluepiggy but like you say Tati couldnt help who she fell in love with, well Michael cant help who he falls in love with either, that doesnt make him naive. Every woman he's been with was not a slut or a bitch. What about Brooke Shields? They had a very sweet relationship. I think the reason Mike never got married is cuz its hard to find a woman that will truly love him for him and not use him for fame and money. I agree that Tati was caught up in the moment and its hard not to kiss Mike when youre up on stage like that but if she was really in love with him she should know better and have a little self control, she can kiss Mike once they're off stage. Maybe it was not love, maybe it was lust, then after she got fired it turned into love. You always want what you can't have. ;)
They never been in a relationship. Brook and Michael, it was just a PR move, that's was it. And second they havent seen eachother in 20 years, she's another bitch who used michael.
Michael and Tatiana havent seen each other in over 20 years either. And I never said she wanted to use him for money. I'm saying other women do and that's why it might be hard for him to find somebody. I don't think Lisa Marie wanted to use him for money either. But she had her own problems...
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Anways does anyone has her facebook page or her myspace page?
and is it true that she said michael said in his last days he has been thinnking about her and stuff like that?
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Michael made an announcement years ago where he mentioned he was looking for a woman ( pref.not a journalist :lol: )
I am not awared of Michael´s love life but I am almost sure that he dated who he wanted when he wanted :)
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what is the supposed relationship with micheal and pam anderson. this is a couple of times i have heard it mentioned here. i don't know if it is mentioned multiple times by one person or seperate people . what is the source of this information?
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what is the supposed relationship with micheal and pam anderson. this is a couple of times i have heard it mentioned here. i don't know if it is mentioned multiple times by one person or seperate people . what is the source of this information?
There was just a really short period of time where it was going around various news sites/media/tabloids the usual. It was said that they were together and Pam was on the Ellen Degeneres show and she asked if she was seeing MJ and Pam said no they were just hanging out because Mike wanted her to be in one of his videos?? Idk go figure haha but it wasn't anything major.
It was said they were spotted together a couple times and they hung out a lot and talked because they had a lot in common, like they talked about their kids a lot, but I dont think i ever remember actually seeing any pictures of them together.
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huh! wouldn't it be interesting if that could be a place where he could share a common every day moment with someone who perhaps at times might feel more like he does than anyone would think. as for tatiana that sounds like a fish tale. the one that got away. ;) as for chemistry there may not have to be fire to have smoke. look at jennifer grey and patrick swayze in dirty dancing .
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huh! wouldn't it be interesting if that could be a place where he could share a common every day moment with someone who perhaps at times might feel more like he does than anyone would think. as for tatiana that sounds like a fish tale. the one that got away. ;) as for chemistry there may not have to be fire to have smoke. look at jennifer grey and patrick swayze in dirty dancing .
Great example!!! Actually, there was more chemistry between MJ and Naomi Campbell (their hands were allllllll over each other in the video), and he appeared to L.O.V.E it. She didn't take it upon herself to make the first move and play tongue tag!!! He also kissed Iman in the RTT video--that was scripted. So, why fire her for a "scripted" kiss???? Wow!!! I guess the old cliche "It's a thin line between love and hate" holds truth because for Tatiana to be soooooo in love with him, it was easy for her to suggest that he could've molested a child and she also allowed her co-author to slander him as well. I can't say it enough: That's not love that she's feeling, it's regret and guilt. They'll usually go hand in hand.
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huh! wouldn't it be interesting if that could be a place where he could share a common every day moment with someone who perhaps at times might feel more like he does than anyone would think. as for tatiana that sounds like a fish tale. the one that got away. ;) as for chemistry there may not have to be fire to have smoke. look at jennifer grey and patrick swayze in dirty dancing .
Great example!!! Actually, there was more chemistry between MJ and Naomi Campbell (their hands were allllllll over each other in the video), and he appeared to L.O.V.E it. She didn't take it upon herself to make the first move and play tongue tag!!! He also kissed Iman in the RTT video--that was scripted. So, why fire her for a "scripted" kiss???? Wow!!! I guess the old cliche "It's a thin line between love and hate" holds truth because for Tatiana to be soooooo in love with him, it was easy for her to suggest that he could've molested a child and she also allowed her co-author to slander him as well. I can't say it enough: That's not love that she's feeling, it's regret and guilt. They'll usually go hand in hand.
I agree with you both!! very well said.
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huh! wouldn't it be interesting if that could be a place where he could share a common every day moment with someone who perhaps at times might feel more like he does than anyone would think. as for tatiana that sounds like a fish tale. the one that got away. ;) as for chemistry there may not have to be fire to have smoke. look at jennifer grey and patrick swayze in dirty dancing .
Great example!!! Actually, there was more chemistry between MJ and Naomi Campbell (their hands were allllllll over each other in the video), and he appeared to L.O.V.E it. She didn't take it upon herself to make the first move and play tongue tag!!! He also kissed Iman in the RTT video--that was scripted. So, why fire her for a "scripted" kiss???? Wow!!! I guess the old cliche "It's a thin line between love and hate" holds truth because for Tatiana to be soooooo in love with him, it was easy for her to suggest that he could've molested a child and she also allowed her co-author to slander him as well. I can't say it enough: That's not love that she's feeling, it's regret and guilt. They'll usually go hand in hand.
I agree with you both!! very well said.
I couldn't have said it better myself. However, I strongly believe that she needs to move on with her life after all of these years. I am sure MJ has forgiven her for everything. The problem seems to be that she is unable to forgive herself. That's what keeping bound in the past. Keep the Faith!
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huh! wouldn't it be interesting if that could be a place where he could share a common every day moment with someone who perhaps at times might feel more like he does than anyone would think. as for tatiana that sounds like a fish tale. the one that got away. ;) as for chemistry there may not have to be fire to have smoke. look at jennifer grey and patrick swayze in dirty dancing .
Great example!!! Actually, there was more chemistry between MJ and Naomi Campbell (their hands were allllllll over each other in the video), and he appeared to L.O.V.E it. She didn't take it upon herself to make the first move and play tongue tag!!! He also kissed Iman in the RTT video--that was scripted. So, why fire her for a "scripted" kiss???? Wow!!! I guess the old cliche "It's a thin line between love and hate" holds truth because for Tatiana to be soooooo in love with him, it was easy for her to suggest that he could've molested a child and she also allowed her co-author to slander him as well. I can't say it enough: That's not love that she's feeling, it's regret and guilt. They'll usually go hand in hand.
I agree with you both!! very well said.
I couldn't have said it better myself. However, I strongly believe that she needs to move on with her life after all of these years. I am sure MJ has forgiven her for everything. The problem seems to be that she is unable to forgive herself. That's what keeping bound in the past. Keep the Faith!
forgiveness. interesting that you mention that. it just hit me earlier today that that might be a part of the message also.maybe thats why we are seeing him hire back people and including the family.
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It was in an interview that Katherine and Joe did before Michael "Died". Katherine is the one that said that Michael told her that he loved Tatianna, and would like to Marry her someday. Katherine seemed very pleased by it. I wouldnt have a clue where to find that interview now, but it has been since his "death" that I have seen it on you-tube. IMO, there has to be some truth to it cause she was called from the family when he "died" and she was also invited to the Forever Michael tribute. Also, sometimes when you fall in love with someone, you cant get over it. Tell me, if you heard Michael jackson was in love with you at one time, could you ever get over it and move on? I dont think I could.
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It was in an interview that Katherine and Joe did before Michael "Died". Katherine is the one that said that Michael told her that he loved Tatianna, and would like to Marry her someday. Katherine seemed very pleased by it. I wouldnt have a clue where to find that interview now, but it has been since his "death" that I have seen it on you-tube. IMO, there has to be some truth to it cause she was called from the family when he "died" and she was also invited to the Forever Michael tribute. Also, sometimes when you fall in love with someone, you cant get over it. Tell me, if you heard Michael jackson was in love with you at one time, could you ever get over it and move on? I dont think I could.
I'm sorry but that is definitely something that I would need to hear them say to believe. Katherine could convince him of ANYTHING---and I mean anything. If he trusted her and his mother loved her he would've married her instead of Lisa Marie.....or Debbie Rowe. Forgiveness is one thing but trust is a virtue. To be with a man of MJ's status he would definitely have to feel as if he can trust you. She's the type that would've obviously kissed and told had it not worked out. Also, I read that she was not personally invited to the private memorial her manager worked that out.
Here is a really good blog about Tatiana and her motives. If the page doesn't take you directly to the blog, click "home" and get comfy. This is a very interesting read:
http://senoritavilleta.wordpress.com/20 ... thumbtzen/ (http://senoritavilleta.wordpress.com/2010/04/22/the-lies-of-tatiana-thumbtzen/)
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It was in an interview that Katherine and Joe did before Michael "Died". Katherine is the one that said that Michael told her that he loved Tatianna, and would like to Marry her someday. Katherine seemed very pleased by it. I wouldnt have a clue where to find that interview now, but it has been since his "death" that I have seen it on you-tube. IMO, there has to be some truth to it cause she was called from the family when he "died" and she was also invited to the Forever Michael tribute. Also, sometimes when you fall in love with someone, you cant get over it. Tell me, if you heard Michael jackson was in love with you at one time, could you ever get over it and move on? I dont think I could.
if it's around someone here will sniff it out they are very good. :P
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I think also Michael was always in charge, didn't like to hurt people's feelings, all of the above. But what I also think is that from the interview where he talks about Princess Diana, he clearly says she was the kind of woman he would want to marry. He wanted a woman with CLASS, self-control, regal bearing. Pretty and sex appeal wasn't the most important to Michael. Diana Ross also had a lot of class, and I know people won't agree Lisa Marie did, but I think she had a snooty class about her especially because she was Elvis' daughter. Elizabeth Taylor had class but she was too old, he knew, although he told Oprah he would have liked to marry her. That's why he couldn't love Debbie Rowe that way IMO. Michael always could have had many women, but he only wanted the top, the best in everything. He said once she would have to be rich so he'd know she wasn't after his money. Lisa was already wealthy, and he had to pay Debbie dearly in money.
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I think also Michael was always in charge, didn't like to hurt people's feelings, all of the above. But what I also think is that from the interview where he talks about Princess Diana, he clearly says she was the kind of woman he would want to marry. He wanted a woman with CLASS, self-control, regal bearing. Pretty and sex appeal wasn't the most important to Michael. Diana Ross also had a lot of class, and I know people won't agree Lisa Marie did, but I think she had a snooty class about her especially because she was Elvis' daughter. Elizabeth Taylor had class but she was too old, he knew, although he told Oprah he would have liked to marry her. That's why he couldn't love Debbie Rowe that way IMO. Michael always could have had many women, but he only wanted the top, the best in everything. He said once she would have to be rich so he'd know she wasn't after his money. Lisa was already wealthy, and he had to pay Debbie dearly in money.
Yeah, I remember that interview. He and Lisa Marie clearly had alot of other things in common and they had known each other for a while. I also believe that he was an emotional wreck around that time, and they both married for the wrong reason. He clearly trusted her, 100%.