Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Investigation => Hoax Pictures => Topic started by: Eline14 on January 24, 2010, 01:19:33 PM

Title: NECKLACE
Post by: Eline14 on January 24, 2010, 01:19:33 PM
He wears the same necklace on both pictures:

(http://web.orange.co.uk/images/ice/music/michael_jackson_d19e0c555dbb825b71806b111bc16c0d.jpg)

(http://www.johnnyikon.com/data/articles/2009/06/4978/Picture5.png)
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: angelshadow on January 24, 2010, 01:20:48 PM
This is Michael's rosary
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: Eline14 on January 24, 2010, 01:25:30 PM
Why isn't it visible on this picture, it's pretty much the same:

(http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/mirror-images/this-is-it-michael-jackson-press-conference-450-943437956.jpg)
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: angelshadow on January 24, 2010, 01:27:15 PM
You have a right, I never saw the MJ wore this necklace at the conference  ;)
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: i_need YoU on January 24, 2010, 01:31:43 PM
woah i just realized that! But i am pretty sure Michael was at the conference...hmmmm they cant just switch michaels double in right in front of a live audience without any distraction...maybe it just fell down under the collar...those two picks look somewhat different idk anymore this  whole thing is confusing :?
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: knowhesalive on January 24, 2010, 01:35:33 PM
Quote from: "Eline14"
Why isn't it visible on this picture, it's pretty much the same:

(http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/mirror-images/this-is-it-michael-jackson-press-conference-450-943437956.jpg)


This is the same picture.. Try to compare the microphone and his chin on both pictues..
Yup same distance right?????
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: i_need YoU on January 24, 2010, 01:39:15 PM
Quote from: "knowhesalive"
Quote from: "Eline14"
Why isn't it visible on this picture, it's pretty much the same:

(http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/mirror-images/this-is-it-michael-jackson-press-conference-450-943437956.jpg)


This is the same picture.. Try to compare the microphone and his chin on both pictues..
Yup same distance right?????
no, the one with more lighting is up closer...look at the bottom of pic..the microphone has less space from bottom of mic to bottom of pic
the one with less lighting is further away
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: i_need YoU on January 24, 2010, 01:40:17 PM
they could have cropped the picture though...hmmm who knows
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: knowhesalive on January 24, 2010, 01:46:09 PM
Quote from: "i_need YoU"
they could have cropped the picture though...hmmm who knows

It's two different camereas.. One with lights and one with out lights.. But the pic is the same
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: angelshadow on January 24, 2010, 01:46:56 PM
At the conference I did not see the chain ...... :?
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: angelshadow on January 24, 2010, 01:48:56 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/13/article-1161879-03E28492000005DC-199_468x728.jpg)
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: Eline14 on January 24, 2010, 01:49:59 PM
Why would they give the fake Michael that much detail ? Nobody would look for that..
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: knowhesalive on January 24, 2010, 01:52:55 PM
Here is what i've noticed

[attachment=1:2nwoh3eh]this-is-it-michael-jackson-press-conference-450-943437956.jpg[/attachment:2nwoh3eh]

[attachment=0:2nwoh3eh]michael_jackson_d19e0c555dbb825b71806b111bc16c0d.jpg[/attachment:2nwoh3eh]


They look pretty much the same to me..
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: i_need YoU on January 24, 2010, 01:53:33 PM
Quote from: "Eline14"
Why would they give the fake Michael that much detail ? Nobody would look for that..
lol umm....we just looked for it bahaha :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  8-)
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: Eline14 on January 24, 2010, 01:55:20 PM
Whaha true xD
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: knowhesalive on January 24, 2010, 01:59:39 PM
Quote from: "Eline14"
Why would they give the fake Michael that much detail ? Nobody would look for that..

Or maybe there where two O2 press conferences... IDK
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: ForstAMoon on January 24, 2010, 02:09:59 PM
as i think it was not MJ at the conference, i think that some of the pictures that have been published after the conference have been altered/photoshopped to help "O2 MJ" look like real MJ. and right now you have a mix of real MJ and "o2 MJ" photos all over the internet and it is very confusing of what is real and what is not. :?  and as there is no such thing as "perfect murder" there is probably no such thing as perfect hoax, so some mistakes/omissions in pics might have happend ... IMO anyway :?
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: Eline14 on January 24, 2010, 02:10:13 PM
Pfff.. it's al so complicated..
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: knowhesalive on January 24, 2010, 02:15:12 PM
Quote from: "Eline14"
Pfff.. it's al so complicated..

Of course it's complicated.. It's a hoax we are dealing with.. Nothing is easy...

@ForstAMoon
I personally think the O2 MJ was the real MJ...
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: Eline14 on January 24, 2010, 02:27:37 PM
But why is he overacting that much. In other recent speeches he always acts so calm.
Also how he walks from the car to the stage is very weird. And did I hear a british accent when he was talking ?
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: ForstAMoon on January 24, 2010, 02:42:16 PM
Quote from: "Eline14"
But why is he overacting that much. In other recent speeches he always acts so calm.
Also how he walks from the car to the stage is very weird. And did I hear a british accent when he was talking ?

i do not have the answer to any of these questions other than that it was not him...I have been asking myself the same and lots of other questions and the only answer that i am able to apply to all of these questions that is consitent is that it was not him... this is what i choose to think
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: knowhesalive on January 24, 2010, 02:45:42 PM
Quote from: "Eline14"
But why is he overacting that much. In other recent speeches he always acts so calm.
Also how he walks from the car to the stage is very weird. And did I hear a british accent when he was talking ?


I think the reason he overacting that much is he wanted us to notice it.. IMO... And Michael can speak with many accents.. British encluded.. Uhm i think it was KarenjoyMc that pointed out in one of her vids that it was'nt the first time Michael walked like this.. Let me see if i can find the vid..
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: Eline14 on January 24, 2010, 02:51:40 PM
Would be great if you find that video.
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: knowhesalive on January 24, 2010, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: "Eline14"
Would be great if you find that video.


I'm looking after it right now, but i do remember she pointed out that he walked like that during the trials 2003-05.. Hang on while i'm looking
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: knowhesalive on January 24, 2010, 03:37:39 PM
Got it and it was not Karenjoymc.... Ha ha silly me

http://www.youtube.com/user/MsDanishgir ... 2P_8OKde_A (http://www.youtube.com/user/MsDanishgirl#p/f/22/s2P_8OKde_A)

From 4:46 she points out his "swaggerwalk"..

Please enjoy
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: topsecretgirl on January 24, 2010, 03:43:07 PM
I can't remember where I heard it but I heard someone(his producer I think) tell that Michael's normal speaking voice is actually very deep. When he is in public appeareance he always speaks higher and softer. So maybe it really was him at the O2. I think he was very very nervous that day maybe because of the threats he had received towards him and his fans. That could explain his odd behaviour.
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: jonnysgirldangerous on January 24, 2010, 04:38:15 PM
I think it is MJ in the O2 conference and we can always hear his deep voice when he sings In the closet in the History tour (OT: sooo sexy!!). And I think he was just very excited, nervous and hyped about meeting with his public like that for the last time before the hoax. Because by then he should've know what was going to happen.
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: steph on January 24, 2010, 05:06:19 PM
I think the 02 was the start of this hoax to the world.Michael acted out of character to get people talking.I remember seeing the press conference on the bbc news and thinking
that was weird !
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: DancingTheDream on January 24, 2010, 06:24:39 PM
Quote from: "Eline14"
But why is he overacting that much. In other recent speeches he always acts so calm.
Also how he walks from the car to the stage is very weird. And did I hear a british accent when he was talking ?

Im British and i can assure you that MJ did not speak with a British accent at that conference
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: AnnieIsNotOK on January 24, 2010, 06:32:30 PM
Quote from: "steph"
I think the 02 was the start of this hoax to the world.Michael acted out of character to get people talking.I remember seeing the press conference on the bbc news and thinking
that was weird !

Oh I realy believe this too.....look at ragdoll wonderful post....VERY interesting ;)

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1454 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1454)
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: sheba on January 24, 2010, 07:56:09 PM
No way is that MJ. For one thing, his face isn't that wide.
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: Eline14 on January 25, 2010, 10:10:46 AM
Quote from: "knowhesalive"
Got it and it was not Karenjoymc.... Ha ha silly me

http://www.youtube.com/user/MsDanishgir ... 2P_8OKde_A (http://www.youtube.com/user/MsDanishgirl#p/f/22/s2P_8OKde_A)

From 4:46 she points out his "swaggerwalk"..

Please enjoy

Thanks for showing me this video! Maybe after all it is the real Michael there.
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: je on January 27, 2010, 11:49:08 PM
what i have noticed that the photos look pretty much the same..but..what
stood out for me was the nose..
the nose on the left has a pointier tip..and the nose on the right appears
more square
also the chin on the left appears to be wider/square..looks more MJ...idk..jmo

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/130/screencaptures1.th.jpg) (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/screencaptures1.jpg/)

(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/9164/fullscreencapture128201.th.jpg) (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/fullscreencapture128201.jpg/)

(http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9164/fullscreencapture128201.th.jpg) (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/fullscreencapture128201.jpg/)
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: clarahowhope on January 29, 2010, 12:39:30 PM
This necklace was on his bed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! next to the toothpaste !
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: angelshadow on January 29, 2010, 04:21:16 PM
Yes, I already wrote this also
This chain is on the bed .......
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: Bee Bee on January 29, 2010, 05:09:07 PM
They're all different pics. Lookie, lookie:

(http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv87/MilkshakeBubbles/4p.jpg)

And I think you can see the necklace here, too: http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearan ... ss/346.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearances/o2press/346.jpg)

Most of the time his hair or shirt is in the way.
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: alovesmichael on January 30, 2010, 09:55:47 AM
This is really making me confused...  :?  Yes, he did act very weird and his voice is deep but I've heard his deep voice before so what caught my attention was his accent. It's definitely not British but it's not his normal accent... Another explanation could be, even if it is one we don't want to believe, that he was well high on something but would that change your acceny though?  :shock:  On the other hand he didn't say that much so maybe I'm just looking to deep into the whole accent thing...
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: i_need YoU on January 31, 2010, 03:24:28 AM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
This is really making me confused...  :?  Yes, he did act very weird and his voice is deep but I've heard his deep voice before so what caught my attention was his accent. It's definitely not British but it's not his normal accent... Another explanation could be, even if it is one we don't want to believe, that he was well high on something but would that change your acceny though?  :shock:  On the other hand he didn't say that much so maybe I'm just looking to deep into the whole accent thing...
I HONSETLY think our MJ had a minor cold heehee i mean you hear him clear his throat a few times. He does sound like he has some congestion going on heehee...i think MJ just had a simple cold and that changes the way you sound if you pay attention to kids when they tlk when they are sick or yourself...

when i saw his speech the first thing i said was aww our MJ looks so confident walking on stage acting all bad. and then he spoke and on certain words i was like awww her got a little cold! and i wanted to run up and give him a hug for showing up sick because he loves his fan soo much heehee.
That was our MJ for a fact he wouldnt miss seeing us one more time before his departure
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: alovesmichael on January 31, 2010, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: "i_need YoU"
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
This is really making me confused...  :?  Yes, he did act very weird and his voice is deep but I've heard his deep voice before so what caught my attention was his accent. It's definitely not British but it's not his normal accent... Another explanation could be, even if it is one we don't want to believe, that he was well high on something but would that change your acceny though?  :shock:  On the other hand he didn't say that much so maybe I'm just looking to deep into the whole accent thing...
I HONSETLY think our MJ had a minor cold heehee i mean you hear him clear his throat a few times. He does sound like he has some congestion going on heehee...i think MJ just had a simple cold and that changes the way you sound if you pay attention to kids when they tlk when they are sick or yourself...

when i saw his speech the first thing i said was aww our MJ looks so confident walking on stage acting all bad. and then he spoke and on certain words i was like awww her got a little cold! and i wanted to run up and give him a hug for showing up sick because he loves his fan soo much heehee.
That was our MJ for a fact he wouldnt miss seeing us one more time before his departure

I did think about that too, could definitely be a possibility...
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: XspeechlessX on January 31, 2010, 09:12:17 AM
okay so just for a second.... forget them 2 pictures,,,

isnt that the necklace that was on the bed in the picture of the room where he "died" along with the crest toothpaste..?
Do we need to look in to this more??

L.O.V.E
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: AgentBJ on January 31, 2010, 10:59:33 AM
Quote from: "XspeechlessX"
okay so just for a second.... forget them 2 pictures,,,

isnt that the necklace that was on the bed in the picture of the room where he "died" along with the crest toothpaste..?
Do we need to look in to this more??

L.O.V.E

 :shock:

Look at their noses (MJ/O2-dude) and compare them - I see differences.
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: jonnysgirldangerous on January 31, 2010, 11:02:17 AM
Quote from: "XspeechlessX"
okay so just for a second.... forget them 2 pictures,,,

isnt that the necklace that was on the bed in the picture of the room where he "died" along with the crest toothpaste..?
Do we need to look in to this more??

L.O.V.E

Do you have a link to those pictures??? I can't recall seeing any pictures of his house after his "death". Thank you!!
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: alovesmichael on January 31, 2010, 01:38:30 PM
Quote from: "jonnysgirldangerous"
Quote from: "XspeechlessX"
okay so just for a second.... forget them 2 pictures,,,

isnt that the necklace that was on the bed in the picture of the room where he "died" along with the crest toothpaste..?
Do we need to look in to this more??

L.O.V.E

Do you have a link to those pictures??? I can't recall seeing any pictures of his house after his "death". Thank you!!

There's a thread on this forum, "the crime scene", check there  :)
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: ILuvUMoreMJ on February 02, 2010, 08:35:59 AM
Here it is... http://talk.excite.de/bilder/5199/Fotos ... todesbett3 (http://talk.excite.de/bilder/5199/Fotos-von-Jackos-Sterbebett/1/todesbett3)
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: Datroot on February 02, 2010, 08:44:27 AM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "Eline14"
But why is he overacting that much. In other recent speeches he always acts so calm.
Also how he walks from the car to the stage is very weird. And did I hear a british accent when he was talking ?

Im British and i can assure you that MJ did not speak with a British accent at that conference

So am I and it was definitely not an English, Scottish, Welsh, nor Northern Irish accent.
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: topsecretgirl on February 04, 2010, 03:54:38 AM
When seeing the O2 two pics side by side I do see a difference, the hair on his forehead is not the same in both pictures.
What is that on the bed, incontinent pads :?:  How do we know those items weren't placed their by someone? Was it even his room, his bed??? :roll:
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: LoveShyMichael on February 04, 2010, 01:43:06 PM
Almost every pic where you can see his chest or neck he has the necklace on. I have always stuck with my "eye candy" thats what I call it on "is it Michael or not?" I have always looked at his thumbs, they have a very defined smooth arch, and nostrils, when looking at a picture, the right one is more triangular shaped, and left one is more like a teardrop. I found that in many pics depending on angle, his tip of nose looks different, that what always brings me back to thumbs, nostrils, and if your able to see the left hand, look at the pinky, it has arthritis, in the top half, which has a bump, and also his pinky finger seems to "pull away from the rest of the hand". Color of nails, too hard to see the color seems to have been "photoshopped" in that area, I know the theathre make-up will cover up uneven skin colors, and blend it in so well. I know I had the Glamour shots done, and Wow, I couldn't believe what my skin tone could look like with the theathre make-up with the right lighting. Also if you look at many of his live concerts, Michael sways, struts, his stuff in everyone, so the swag sway coming to the O2, was just a "Mike, doing what he does best-------PERFORM!!!
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: somekindofsign on February 04, 2010, 02:14:06 PM
Quote from: "knowhesalive"
Or maybe there where two O2 press conferences... IDK

I have onething for sure, now that I´ve seen fan´s videos from O2, there was only one conference, as all of the videos match exactly.

The reason why we can´t see the necklace in this photo can be because it may have been shopped to simplify it. You all know the TMZ section to spot the diferences between 2 photos (btw it seems it no loger exist). Well, in this section, maybe made to train people´s eye, we´ve seen many photos shopped without a reason (put an extra pocket, enlarge something senseless...).
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: chrisman on August 03, 2010, 12:54:46 AM
Here it is again :)

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2qnystd.jpg)

I'm not so sure its a rosary. looks more like Prayer Beads used by Buddhist and/or Hare Krishna

(http://beijingolympicsblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/prayer-beads.jpg)

Like this without polish

(http://www.turkishgiftbazaar.com/images/wooden3/tashbih03.JPG)

Mind you a rosary is pretty similar in concept ^^. though the rosary I know of has separated beads.

Hope I helped in some way! :D

P.S. Im no expert in religions. I just know a thing or two about that necklace (the one with red strings)
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: vilte90 on August 19, 2010, 01:45:32 PM
It's the same photo. You see the lightining is different. We can't see the rosary because of the shadows. Look at that place where we could see the rosery, there is a dark shadow. It's simple. I will try to mark the same places on both photos ;)
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: vilte90 on August 19, 2010, 02:02:00 PM
Ok, when I started to mark the places it really seems a lil bit different. It seems that both photos were photoshoped a lil bit.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4003/s ... ures2j.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4003/screencaptures2j.jpg) (sorry, don't know how to put the photo here)

The finger is exactly the same. And Idk how about you but I can see the rosary (marked as ros) lol
I thought maybe it was taken at the same time by two different photographers but is it possible to take such alike photos...
Title: Re: NECKLACE
Post by: vilte90 on August 19, 2010, 02:14:11 PM
Btw, the face looks wide because of the wig.
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