Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: alovesmichael on January 26, 2010, 03:40:37 AM

Title: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: alovesmichael on January 26, 2010, 03:40:37 AM
Ok, I'm pretty much freaking out right now crying my eyes out... I might also be posting under the wrong topic but I'm just very very confused and upset right now so I appologize if this is the case. I just found something out and it's negative but I feel that I need to share it.

I was watching videos on YT and actually came across "anti-hoax videos", i.e. videos showing why all these "clues" are stupid which made me cry (yes I'm being really really emotional). Then I watched another hoax video and read all comments which were all from non-believers and one of them caught my eye, here it is:

he has passed. i know the one who tagged him at ucla medical center. said he looked like an old asian? guy. bald. very very thin and long gone. dead for a while at that point. f u conrad murray. long live the king. r.i.p. mj

That got me confused so I sent him/her a question: what do you mean tagged can u please explain. And who is this person? you know?

And here is the reply:

he one that works at ucla medical. they made them give up all phones and pretty much EVERYTHING off their person before they went in to do their job. he put the toe tag on him. that tag. because i told this person you could have made so much money. he said its not worth his job and? again they took all phones cameras or anything else before they were allowed in the room.

Sorry guys I'm going mental now crying floods while typing this... "Toe tag"?!  :shock: Pictures are popping up in my head and I just wanna die! What to do?
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: onemorechance on January 26, 2010, 04:33:50 AM
said he looked like an old asian? guy. bald.

I don't think it's possible that Mike would look like an old Asian guy even if dead. sorry. :lol:
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Suzy on January 26, 2010, 04:38:11 AM
Every non believer will try to keep us down.Dont let them!I NEED TO SEE PROOF,NO STUPIT WORDS!!
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: *Mo* on January 26, 2010, 05:20:20 AM
I really don't understand why people totally lose it when they read or see one tiny thing that might indicate Mike is dead, while we have gathered an overwhelming amount of evidence over the past 7 months which proves he's alive!

Please, alovesmichael, go to the index of this website and start reading as from "June 25, 2009: The day Michael Jackson 'died'.".

Here's another clear piece of evidence that Mike is still alive:
[youtube:34ktz37c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En5Q4syywcw[/youtube:34ktz37c]
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: msteetee34 on January 26, 2010, 05:40:26 AM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Ok, I'm pretty much freaking out right now crying my eyes out... I might also be posting under the wrong topic but I'm just very very confused and upset right now so I appologize if this is the case. I just found something out and it's negative but I feel that I need to share it.

I was watching videos on YT and actually came across "anti-hoax videos", i.e. videos showing why all these "clues" are stupid which made me cry (yes I'm being really really emotional). Then I watched another hoax video and read all comments which were all from non-believers and one of them caught my eye, here it is:

he has passed. i know the one who tagged him at ucla medical center. said he looked like an old asian? guy. bald. very very thin and long gone. dead for a while at that point. f u conrad murray. long live the king. r.i.p. mj

That got me confused so I sent him/her a question: what do you mean tagged can u please explain. And who is this person? you know?

And here is the reply:

he one that works at ucla medical. they made them give up all phones and pretty much EVERYTHING off their person before they went in to do their job. he put the toe tag on him. that tag. because i told this person you could have made so much money. he said its not worth his job and? again they took all phones cameras or anything else before they were allowed in the room.

Sorry guys I'm going mental now crying floods while typing this... "Toe tag"?!  :shock: Pictures are popping up in my head and I just wanna die! What to do?

How you even know this person telling this story is legit and that they know someone who even work at UCLA medical?  It could be someone lying just to be spiteful.  Have you actually seen any witnesses on tv or anything?  Have you heard any witnesses give stories about that day? You know good and well if somebody had the opportunity to give some info. and make some big money they wouldn't be worried about no little hospital job. Also how the heck would MJ look asian. I would like to know the answer to that.  Yeah he probably really did tag someone that was really an old asian man.  please. :roll:
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: KINGdom52 on January 26, 2010, 05:51:29 AM
Old Asian ? :?
I think it 's been discussed before that, yes,maybe someone  has taken his place to that.
Afterall , the authorities should have a body to confirm a death.
Anyway  I don't think taht something so small can go against the tons of evidences that we have so far.
Be strong! :)
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Lady J on January 26, 2010, 06:12:50 AM
No please---NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  :cry:
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Kirsche on January 26, 2010, 06:23:27 AM
oooh come on....and old asian guy  :lol:


These are just words....Don't get upset abpout these anti hoax videos...

There's no proof that it's true and when we remember the Amb.Pic, he doesn't looked like an old aisan guy ( it's fake though) but no....this is a big bunch of BS to me..
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: KingMJ on January 26, 2010, 06:42:48 AM
Quote from: "msteetee34"
[ Have you heard any witnesses give stories about that day? You know good and well if somebody had the opportunity to give some info. and make some big money they wouldn't be worried about no little hospital job.
I agree that this probably isn't true. Afterall, the asian bit just screams out false  :?   But, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the actual idea of it.  That 'little hopsital job' that u refer to, is actually somebodys career that they will have trained to do. If that were me, there is no way that I would sell out to the media, and definitely lose my job.. because that breach of confidentiality would follow you wherever u go.. U'd never be able to get a job in another hospital again.. you would lose your career.  Plus personally, if I had a photo or info, whatever of MJ really dead, I'd never go public with it.  I just wouldn't want to be that person responsible for putting it out there.  So whoever the people are who supposedly dealt with MJ's body at the hospital (if they did), I don't blame them at all for not coming forward with information.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Game Player on January 26, 2010, 06:45:52 AM
Just because of someones words you are worried? At least we can actually see the clues for ourselves.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: lisap27 on January 26, 2010, 06:47:42 AM
ASIAN!! this should stand out a mile.. come on people Mike was whiter than white with his vitilago for a start!!!

and more than their job is worth to make millions off a photo of the deceased Michael Jackson, therefore never having to work again, on whatever rate of pay they was on.. unless they was a true die hard devoted fan.. i wouldn't do it personally, but thats me.. and their talking about it.. so thats a break in confidentiality to even admit he was there.. keep them eyes open people.. :shock:

come on i don't believe it for a second.. chin up..  ;)
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Bee Bee on January 26, 2010, 06:47:55 AM
Hey... To cheer you up, just go read some of the stories on michaeljacksonsightings.com. Never forget that anybody in this world can make up whatever they want to, and the people who claim they saw Michael alive might just as well be speaking the truth. Don't give up. :)
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: loyalfan on January 26, 2010, 06:57:32 AM
HERE  IS A BIG HUG...XXXXXX IM JUST LIKE YOU........BUT PLEASE..........NO WAY IS THAT IS MICHEAL........I HAVE READ SOOOOOO MANY THINGS ON THE INTERNET........AND THERE ARE SOOOO  MANY GITS OUT THERE ..........DONT BE SAD......HE IS NOT DEAD.......I LISTEN TO MY GUT FEELINGS......LISTEN TO YOURS.............XXXXXXLOVE TO YOU
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: the arabian nights on January 26, 2010, 07:01:51 AM
Quote from: "Bee Bee"
Hey... To cheer you up, just go read some of the stories on michaeljacksonsightings.com. Never forget that anybody in this world can make up whatever they want to, and the people who claim they saw Michael alive might just as well be speaking the truth. Don't give up. :)
good joke - you made me laugh.

i think i would rather  believe us - there are also sorts of evidence that we have found, some believe in areas that i think no no way, but there is a lot of commonality, and agreement. but dear thread creator, you dont have any collaborative evidence, people blog rubbish and people believe, what we do here is test the evidence, we bash each other occasionaly because we get passionate ( but some pp are rude). so dont go throwing everything out the window.

hold on a bit - what is your true belief? hold on to your truth, your anomaly of evidence, your intelligent your mind is telling you something, its instinctive
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Xsy on January 26, 2010, 07:14:59 AM
I think it´s okay to have doubts. We can´t leave news, articles, information, stories or whatever out that bothers us or tells something else than michael is alive! If we all would close our eyes in front of such things (even though it´s BS sometimes) we would follow blind. We are still not sure if we are right (even though some think we are because they believe, that´s okay, but for some others it´s harder and that´s okay too)! That´s my opinion.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: MJalive999 on January 26, 2010, 07:21:43 AM
you know... i am pretty tired!
we don't need, michael don't need WEAK people!

Believe in what you want.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: TinkerbellStardust on January 26, 2010, 08:04:01 AM
Cheer up sweety! We all have our bad days.. It can be tough. And there will always be someone somewhere trying to get us down. But don't except that. Go with you gut feeling. Trust what you feel deep in your heart and in your bones. It's through the hope and believe that we together have come this far.

Cheer up to some of Michael lovely songs. Michael is very strong. We must be too. I listen to Xscape at the moment.. It makes me feel very good.

*A big hug to you* ! We are all here. You are not alone.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: iMJacksonfaN on January 26, 2010, 08:11:08 AM
It's so easy to make such words.. Everyone can write a fake story.. There is no evidence, just text from a random person..

Old asian guy? Look at him, day before.. His real hair, that was not a wig! How can he be bald then? Murray cuted his hair while waiting on the ambulance?.. Old? He looked pretty much like the 90's Michael.. Except some wrinkels..

You're going down to easy.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: the arabian nights on January 26, 2010, 08:12:33 AM
Quote from: "Xsy"
I think it´s okay to have doubts. We can´t leave news, articles, information, stories or whatever out that bothers us or tells something else than michael is alive! If we all would close our eyes in front of such things (even though it´s BS sometimes) we would follow blind. We are still not sure if we are right (even though some think we are because they believe, that´s okay, but for some others it´s harder and that´s okay too)! That´s my opinion.
Quote from: "TinkerbellStardust"
Cheer up sweety! We all have our bad days.. It can be tough. And there will always be someone somewhere trying to get us down. But don't except that. Go with you gut feeling. Trust what you feel deep in your heart and in your bones. It's through the hope and believe that we together have come this far.

Cheer up to some of Michael lovely songs. Michael is very strong. We must be too. I listen to Xscape at the moment.. It makes me feel very good.

*A big hug to you* ! We are all here. You are not alone.

true

we are here for you - x
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: DooDoo on January 26, 2010, 08:13:20 AM
don't let this BS gets through you it's not worth it  ;)  ((hugs))
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: xxmjxx on January 26, 2010, 08:39:44 AM
At 2.29,when he says Mother........... :shock:  :shock:
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: alovesmichael on January 26, 2010, 08:47:40 AM
Quote from: "Xsy"
I think it´s okay to have doubts. We can´t leave news, articles, information, stories or whatever out that bothers us or tells something else than michael is alive! If we all would close our eyes in front of such things (even though it´s BS sometimes) we would follow blind. We are still not sure if we are right (even though some think we are because they believe, that´s okay, but for some others it´s harder and that´s okay too)! That´s my opinion.

Thank you for understanding my way of thinking. I do believe that Michael is alive otherwise I wouldn't be on this site but I do not KNOW FOR CERTAIN that he is, none of us do. I want to stay objective and not be blind to things that I don't actually want to see. If there's to be a proper investigation we have to look at EVERYTHING even if it might not be what we want it to be, you know what I mean? Sorry if I annoyed anyone with this post that was not my intention at all. I'm really happy a lot of you have strong faith in Michael being alive and it does make me feel better but sometimes one just needs second opinions, you know? This person might be anyone but what reason do they have to write that? To me he/she seems to be a fan that has accepted Michael's "death" and it didn't seem like he/she was trying to put me down or anything and that's what's made me wonder... I needed to express my thoughts and the only place I feel I can do that is here. As many of you know it's not very easy to discuss this matter with other people because they don't really care. I'm a person with strong opinions but I try to stay openminded how else will I find the truth? If this all made me seem like a weak person than so be it, right now my heart sure does feel pretty weak  :(  Again I do appologize if I did upset anyone.

@loyalfan, TinkerbellStardust, the arabian nights, DooDoo - Thank you guys for your kind words  :)
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Venus on January 26, 2010, 09:10:46 AM
Quote from: "iMJacksonfaN"
It's so easy to make such words.. Everyone can write a fake story.. There is no evidence, just text from a random person..

Old asian guy? Look at him, day before.. His real hair, that was not a wig! How can he be bald then? Murray cuted his hair while waiting on the ambulance?.. Old? He looked pretty much like the 90's Michael.. Except some wrinkels..

You're going down to easy.

About being bald... This curls are not his real hair. But because it's very very good wig (He's MJ and he can effort the best) made from real human hair it's look good.

Come on! What's wrong in being bald? Maybe some of you are too young to admit the guy can be sexy being bald? In his age and his health (lupus, vitiligo, different procedures) it's normal.
Some of my friends became bald in their 20s. It happens to men. Relax.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Infinitylady on January 26, 2010, 09:59:46 AM
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he has passed. i know the one who tagged him at ucla medical center. said he looked like an old asian? guy. bald. very very thin and long gone. dead for a while at that point. f u conrad murray. long live the king. r.i.p. mj


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

puhleassssssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Xsy on January 26, 2010, 10:17:02 AM
Quote from: "MJalive999"
you know... i am pretty tired!
we don't need, michael don't need WEAK people!

Believe in what you want.

What a strange statement! I hope you were just tired a didn´t mean it.
You wanna spread love, you wanna stay united, no need for weak people? Do we start to select?
I hope I got you wrong. love.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Bee Bee on January 26, 2010, 10:18:32 AM
Was the person who claimed this a fan? Anyway, people always wanna sound important. And also keep in mind that there are tons of people who, for some reason, hate the thought of Michael faking his death. They'd do anything to deny it, I guess. "Michael would never do that!" Right.  :roll:
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Infinitylady on January 26, 2010, 10:41:54 AM
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Infinitylady » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:59 pm

he has passed. i know the one who tagged him at ucla medical center. said he looked like an old asian? guy. bald. very very thin and long gone. dead for a while at that point. f u conrad murray. long live the king. r.i.p. mj



             

puhleassssssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!    

Well, I just want to say I am not laughing at the person who posted it.  I understand how they feel. I am just laughing at the person who told them that he looked like an old asian guy! OMGoodness!  :lol:
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Grenat on January 26, 2010, 10:53:45 AM
You shouldn't worry..I think.Because on the others hands,others people have claimed to have seen him/have informations on having him alive(of course lot of them are troll tough)This person could be a troll as well.
Remember that on internet you can say anything...
Have you seen Craig Harvey's replies to our emails "I've seen the real thing",if you've seen it,did you believe it ? No,if you believed it,you wouldn't be here right ?
Believe until we have consistent proof he is indeed dead !that thing the guy said, it's not a proof,anyone can say that kind of thing to scare us.Could be even someone of Michael's camp to scare us a little  :D
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: mjthelegendlives on January 26, 2010, 10:59:08 AM
Well lets turn the negative news into a little positiveness ...  Of course they weren't allowed to have cameras or anything, because...

 That will just prove the guy who died the 25th of June wasn't Michael Jackson or,

that will show the ambulance photo was a fake!  Does the guy in the ambulance look like an old Asian guy?  Does  MJ  look Asian or old in TII?   I believe that  the guy who was being tagged was another person.  Please, don't panic!  We didn't believe he was dead at the memorial, we didn't believe MJ was dead at the funeral, we haven't believed the family's tears.  Why should we believe someone from the internet claiming that "he knows the person who tagged MJ' s toe?  Keep the faith!  :)
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Grenat on January 26, 2010, 11:07:35 AM
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That will just prove the guy who died the 25th of June wasn't Michael Jackson or,

that will show the ambulance photo was a fake! Does the guy in the ambulance look like an old Asian guy? Does MJ look Asian or old in TII? I believe that the guy who was being tagged was another person. Please, don't panic! We didn't believe he was dead at the memorial, we didn't believe MJ was dead at the funeral, we haven't believed the family's tears. Why should we believe someone from the internet claiming that "he knows the person who tagged MJ' s toe?

That's what I wanted to say but I didn't know how to use the word  :D
I agree with you ! We didn't believe Paris's speech,the family statement,the coroner statement in front of journalist,the memorial,the funeral,
We don't believe in anything the family/friend say about it,yet we always believe some troll coming on internet.Maybe he isn't a troll but there is nothing proving he isn't ! He could be a hater who doesn't know anything and don't care about our feelings at all !
And for sure Michael looked really good in TII definitely not a old asian guy !
And anyone know that Michael is extremely thin these later years ! it doesn't prove anything.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: virgo75 on January 26, 2010, 11:22:18 AM
I agree that anything we find on the internet needs to be taken with a HUGE grain of salt whether it comes from the family or just random anonymous people.

I also agree with the poster that it's possible MJ was bald.  He wore wigs for years and the longish curly hair you saw in the bad era were extensions added in to his hair to cover the bald spot.  I've actually seen some music video of him in concert and at a certain point he turns and you can see a shiny place at the back of his head underneath the hair.  I don't think it matters if he's bald or not.  Well, it doesn't matter to me anyway.

Finally, about him looking like an "Asian" man.  Um, has anyone else here ever seen a deceased person before all of the embalming etc. happens?

I've seen several family members and they all looked very different than they did in life.   Some looked a little more like they did alive after the mortician did their work.  At least one did look a bit Asian probably due to the muscles not supporting their face anymore and going slack - but they never looked Asian in life....

I'm not saying this to say that MJ is dead and that this story is true.  

I'm just saying it because we seem to get distracted by trivial things that actually could bear some truth because we don't like them and follow a lot of things that have no weight whatsoever just because it sounds good.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: wandulka on January 26, 2010, 11:31:28 AM
Except for the fact that he was not bald  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: virgo75 on January 26, 2010, 11:34:49 AM
Quote from: "wandulka"
Except for the fact that he was not bald  :mrgreen:


None of us knows that for sure.   :roll:

We haven't seen his head without extension or a wig since Thriller.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: MJalive999 on January 26, 2010, 11:54:47 AM
Quote from: "virgo75"
Quote from: "wandulka"
Except for the fact that he was not bald  :mrgreen:


None of us knows that for sure.   :roll:

We haven't seen his head without extension or a wig since Thriller.

who cares??

after june 25: each thing is a discovery.  :roll:
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: wilds on January 26, 2010, 12:06:36 PM
Quote from: "wandulka"
Except for the fact that he was not bald  :mrgreen:

Off topic: I LOVE your signature photos  :D
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Bee Bee on January 26, 2010, 12:18:12 PM
I've actually heard people say that Michael looked kinda Asian even when he was officially alive. I don't really know what's up with those people, but that's why the statement about him looking Asian didn't really surprise me.  :D

As for Michael being bald, I thought his Lupus caused him loss of hair? But that's known, and we also know one of the supposed autopsy reports stated he didn't have much hair left, so, again... that statement doesn't tell us anything at all.

Anyway, I don't think that if you'd truly heard this of your friend and if you consider yourself a fan and supporter of Michael, that you would say those things on the internet, even if they were true. To me, it looks like this person was simply trying to sound more credible by adding all those rather irrelevant "facts".
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Raven on January 26, 2010, 12:44:43 PM
Quote from: "iMJacksonfaN"
It's so easy to make such words.. Everyone can write a fake story.. There is no evidence, just text from a random person..

Old asian guy? Look at him, day before.. His real hair, that was not a wig! How can he be bald then? Murray cuted his hair while waiting on the ambulance?.. Old? He looked pretty much like the 90's Michael.. Except some wrinkels..

You're going down to easy.
Agree, the 'bald' statement is a bit uncredible. When you look close at the video of 'This Is It', days before the 25th, it looks like his real hair. At some moments you can also see his scalp shining at the devide of hair, wigs don't do that.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Raven on January 26, 2010, 01:02:23 PM
Quote from: "Venus"
Quote from: "iMJacksonfaN"
It's so easy to make such words.. Everyone can write a fake story.. There is no evidence, just text from a random person..

Old asian guy? Look at him, day before.. His real hair, that was not a wig! How can he be bald then? Murray cuted his hair while waiting on the ambulance?.. Old? He looked pretty much like the 90's Michael.. Except some wrinkels..

You're going down to easy.

About being bald... This curls are not his real hair. But because it's very very good wig (He's MJ and he can effort the best) made from real human hair it's look good.

Come on! What's wrong in being bald? Maybe some of you are too young to admit the guy can be sexy being bald? In his age and his health (lupus, vitiligo, different procedures) it's normal.
Some of my friends became bald in their 20s. It happens to men. Relax.
Nothing wrong with being bald or having short hair. Also, he has worn wigs before. Hair can grow back for people with Lupus, it is not permanent.
However, it just does not seem like he wore a wig the days before 25th, making reports claiming he was bald at that time not credible.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: sheba on January 26, 2010, 01:04:17 PM
Where is the link to this video?????
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: SmellyJelly on January 26, 2010, 01:04:29 PM
Like he/she said that know a person from UCLA which saw Michael dead, well,some weeks ago, I read a comment on a YT movie, and he/she said that Michael is alive, he wasn't in the coffin because Paris wanted to see him and when she looked in the coffin, that was empty.

Who can we believe?
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Crescendo on January 26, 2010, 01:25:18 PM
Quote from: "onemorechance"
said he looked like an old asian? guy. bald.

I don't think it's possible that Mike would look like an old Asian guy even if dead. sorry. :lol:

there was a drawing made of Michael what he may have looked like (on june 25th) and it did look asian. that person who's saying he looked asian  probably got his description from that fake ridulous picture. i think that sketching also came from a tabloid magazine.

I'm not trying to be stubborn but i don't find these anti hoax videos as legitimate.

People wanna deny Michael possibly being alive because they just wanna shut us up (i'm not saying anyone here is doin that but im talkin about people on youtube and stuff). There are some who comment "Mj is dead. get over it." those comments have me fuming and they cannot be backed up properly because if they opened their eyes they'd see there are some weird occurences. they should be a little more hesitant before they come to their final decision
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: the arabian nights on January 26, 2010, 02:07:08 PM
look at the photo below, mike during scream vid, without the long wig, his natural hair.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: MissG on January 26, 2010, 02:22:49 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Ok, I'm pretty much freaking out right now crying my eyes out... I might also be posting under the wrong topic but I'm just very very confused and upset right now so I appologize if this is the case. I just found something out and it's negative but I feel that I need to share it.

I was watching videos on YT and actually came across "anti-hoax videos", i.e. videos showing why all these "clues" are stupid which made me cry (yes I'm being really really emotional). Then I watched another hoax video and read all comments which were all from non-believers and one of them caught my eye, here it is:

he has passed. i know the one who tagged him at ucla medical center. said he looked like an old asian? guy. bald. very very thin and long gone. dead for a while at that point. f u conrad murray. long live the king. r.i.p. mj

That got me confused so I sent him/her a question: what do you mean tagged can u please explain. And who is this person? you know?

And here is the reply:

he one that works at ucla medical. they made them give up all phones and pretty much EVERYTHING off their person before they went in to do their job. he put the toe tag on him. that tag. because i told this person you could have made so much money. he said its not worth his job and? again they took all phones cameras or anything else before they were allowed in the room.

Sorry guys I'm going mental now crying floods while typing this... "Toe tag"?!  :shock: Pictures are popping up in my head and I just wanna die! What to do?

I would take that post with a pich of salt hun ;)

I mean, a pic of MJ dead with a toe tag would give enough money for people to "lose their job" withou any contemplations ;)

Also, the story is pretty bad  :ugeek:

I could go to youtube and said that I worked at Ucla and I was the one placing the body inside the fridge...and build a fancy story about it.

The day I saw the Dave Dave interview I started giggling  :lol:  was really cool!

If was "real" Dave, then he really got MJ gestures and eyes  :roll:
Would be interesting to wacth an interview with Dave Dave....
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: PureLove on January 26, 2010, 03:58:30 PM
I think those people saw the funny photoshop picture of Michael which was shown us as the otopsy picture  :lol:
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on January 26, 2010, 04:12:32 PM
Speaking of wigs . have you ever seen a lace wig?
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Kirsche on January 26, 2010, 05:17:28 PM
Quote from: "PureLove"
I think those people saw the funny photoshop picture of Michael which was shown us as the otopsy picture  :lol:

OMG this horrible picture...where you can clearly see that the head is totally edited with photoshop because the oxygenmask doesn't fit in on that position  :D
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Kirsche on January 26, 2010, 05:17:47 PM
Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
Speaking of wigs . have you ever seen a lace wig?


Nope, sorry, what is that?
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: EternalBliss on January 26, 2010, 05:40:26 PM
oh pish posh..for ONE,they arent even allowed to talk about it...its ok sweetie.Michael ISNT dead....AFTER ALL THIS YOU THINK THAT?
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Grenat on January 26, 2010, 05:54:48 PM
Well it's possible that if that if Michael was really d**** (if it was the case)it would be possible that the guy tagging him could talk about it to a friend(even if they aren't allowed to talk about it normally)because that's a friend and you talk about your work,right ?
But well...that can be made up pretty easily and sorry without proof(and that is not a proof) we shouldn't believe it easily.
And it go into the other way too : we shouldn't believe easily people who claim to know about it him being alive really easily.
I like myself to read about "insiders" and to try to make my opinion on it,because who know after all ? maybe they really know something.
But we should only focus on real proofs and our own opinions of it.
Let's not get distracted by non-believers,it could be an hater after all.
And you know that there are sickos who could make up a story like this just imagining the panic and the distress of fans when reading about it.
I don't know if it's true or not(we suppose it's not but there is always the "maybe" part)
If it's not true he has his goal : he hurted someone  ! don't let him hurt you like this...
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: PureLove on January 26, 2010, 06:07:03 PM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "PureLove"
I think those people saw the funny photoshop picture of Michael which was shown us as the otopsy picture  :lol:

OMG this horrible picture...where you can clearly see that the head is totally edited with photoshop because the oxygenmask doesn't fit in on that position  :D

lol yep and that was bald and looks like an asian a little  :lol: But of course that picture is soooooo FAKE! :D
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Michaelareuok on January 26, 2010, 08:39:38 PM
Quote from: "DooDoo"
don't let this BS gets through you it's not worth it  ;)  ((hugs))


I agree dont let it get to you "old Asian"???? LMAO are they still trying to push that BS? Just like the pic of Dr Conrad Murray I just put on twitter he is white as any caucasian not the african american one we are used to seeing but the media following jacksons children custody hearing way back says its Murray and someone had a #1 fan cap on with a T shirt that said FREE THE JACKSON 3 ?? WTF? Weird huh?
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Liberian Girl Heehee on January 26, 2010, 10:55:00 PM
{{HUGS!!}}  Don't despair.  The person reporting that craziness is either a fake or a diversion.  Do they even do toe tags anymore?  I dunno.  But, Asian man?? :lol:  :lol:   Come on!!  You can tell by the ambulance picture that he didn't look Asian.  Oh, but that's probably also a fake.  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: MJLOVER32 on January 27, 2010, 08:53:14 AM
Quote from: "Liberian Girl Heehee"
{{HUGS!!}}  Don't despair.  The person reporting that craziness is either a fake or a diversion.  Do they even do toe tags anymore?  I dunno.  But, Asian man?? :lol:  :lol:   Come on!!  You can tell by the ambulance picture that he didn't look Asian.  Oh, but that's probably also a fake.  :lol:  :lol:


Agreed, its just baloney!!, If peeps still dont believe after everything i dont know what to tell ya!!  :roll:
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: the arabian nights on January 27, 2010, 08:59:28 AM
in america doesn't asian usually mean oriental or does it mean indian? Just asking?a Also there are many different colour tones within the races?

i do not think mike (its not mike) would look oriental and i doubt he would look indian, just after death obviously the blood is not pumping so the skin would look ash like, or lighter, mike was pretty fair so dont see it.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: MJ_Facts on January 27, 2010, 11:07:41 AM
136 pounds of weight is not THIN at all!

Perhaps an ASIAN IMPERSONATOR!  :lol:
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: michaelsupporter on January 27, 2010, 11:19:22 AM
When someone dies in the hospital they DO NOT put a tag on the toe. Patients are all identified by the ID band on the wrist.  Do not waiver in your faith, my fellow believers, for this story is utterly preposterous!!!!!
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: BillieJean on January 27, 2010, 11:26:45 AM
Also the paramedics said that they barely recognized it was MJ and that he looked like an old, skinny and bald guy, right?

Ahm hello, it surely looks like MJ to me on the ambulance photo. He surely didn't look old, wasn't bald and come on, you can tell right away it is MJ!

Hmmm, something smelly fishy here ;-)
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: lisap27 on January 27, 2010, 11:31:28 AM
Quote from: "BillieJean"
Also the paramedics said that they barely recognized it was MJ and that he looked like an old, skinny and bald guy, right?

Ahm hello, it surely looks like MJ to me on the ambulance photo. He surely didn't look old, wasn't bald and come on, you can tell right away it is MJ!

Hmmm, something smelly fishy here ;-)

i'd totally forgot about that!!  :shock: this is another reason the ambulance picture doesn't add up!!  :o  or the paramedics where lying!!! hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: michaelsupporter on January 27, 2010, 11:42:07 AM
In my opinion, there are just too many things that just don't add up. Therefore, within the history of MJ's genius for marketing and love of drama, magic and illusion-I have concluded that this is all done to add "mystery" to the situation. Is it magic or is it madness?  Perhaps, it is all part of a grander plan.......a huge diversion to the entire illusion.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: virgo75 on January 27, 2010, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
in america doesn't asian usually mean oriental or does it mean indian?

Most people in the US use "Asian" to describe people from China, Korea, & Japan.


Quote from: "BillieJean"
Also the paramedics said that they barely recognized it was MJ and that he looked like an old, skinny and bald guy, right?

Ahm hello, it surely looks like MJ to me on the ambulance photo. He surely didn't look old, wasn't bald and come on, you can tell right away it is MJ!

Hmmm, something smelly fishy here ;-)

Something does smell fishy.
It's our brains.
They're rotting and turning to fish smelling mush!   :lol:

We're comparing clues that 99% on here have already deemed FAKE/doctored - the ambulance photo(obviously NOT 2009 MJ!) -
to other clues that are possibly fake - random guy on the internet talking about toe tags- to verify authenticity!!!

Am I the only one who sees how crazy this is???   :?

We can't say that this guy has to be lying because the MJ in the ambulance photo looks young and has hair.  

Didn't we all figure out that the pic isn't really of MJ in the ambulance on THAT day?!?!  Even if he WAS in the ambulance on THAT day, that pic is photoshopped with an older pic of Michael!  So how can we even compare?

Am I the only one seeing this???    :?
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: michaelsupporter on January 27, 2010, 12:00:22 PM
Quote from: "virgo75"
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
in america doesn't asian usually mean oriental or does it mean indian?

Most people in the US use "Asian" to describe people from China, Korea, & Japan.


Quote from: "BillieJean"
Also the paramedics said that they barely recognized it was MJ and that he looked like an old, skinny and bald guy, right?

Ahm hello, it surely looks like MJ to me on the ambulance photo. He surely didn't look old, wasn't bald and come on, you can tell right away it is MJ!

Hmmm, something smelly fishy here ;-)

Something does smell fishy.
It's our brains.
They're rotting and turning to fish smelling mush!   :lol:

We're comparing clues that 99% on here have already deemed FAKE/doctored - the ambulance photo(obviously NOT 2009 MJ!) -
to other clues that are possibly fake - random guy on the internet talking about toe tags- to verify authenticity!!!

Am I the only one who sees how crazy this is???   :?

We can't say that this guy has to be lying because the MJ in the ambulance photo looks young and has hair.  

Didn't we all figure out that the pic isn't really of MJ in the ambulance on THAT day?!?!  Even if he WAS in the ambulance on THAT day, that pic is photoshopped with an older pic of Michael!  So how can we even compare?

Am I the only one seeing this???    :?

Nope, you are not the only one to see this. I suspect many of us do. That photo isn't authentic. I suspect that it is planted to make it all appear realistic.  It is all in keeping with the plan.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: alovesmichael on January 27, 2010, 12:03:53 PM
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
In my opinion, there are just too many things that just don't add up. Therefore, within the history of MJ's genius for marketing and love of drama, magic and illusion-I have concluded that this is all done to add "mystery" to the situation. Is it magic or is it madness?  Perhaps, it is all part of a grander plan.......a huge diversion to the entire illusion.

I like that!  :)
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: loveumj88 on January 27, 2010, 12:06:06 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
In my opinion, there are just too many things that just don't add up. Therefore, within the history of MJ's genius for marketing and love of drama, magic and illusion-I have concluded that this is all done to add "mystery" to the situation. Is it magic or is it madness?  Perhaps, it is all part of a grander plan.......a huge diversion to the entire illusion.

I like that!  :)

Agree! :)
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Boreas on January 27, 2010, 12:32:33 PM
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
When someone dies in the hospital they DO NOT put a tag on the toe. Patients are all identified by the ID band on the wrist.  Do not waiver in your faith, my fellow believers, for this story is utterly preposterous!!!!!


If someone is willing to call UCLA and ask someone there that they are doing a "research project" on L.A's morgue procedures....someone should ask if they use Toe Tags there( the archaic form of I.D), or if they have switched to a new system (The I.D bracelet). That would clear this whole thing up.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Suzi~Ses~Its~Right on January 27, 2010, 12:36:08 PM
I dont know how many of you read my post about my relative working recently at UCLA i have emailed them to find out this info, i will post here as soon as they answer me.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: lisap27 on January 27, 2010, 12:46:39 PM
Quote from: "Suzi~Ses~Its~Right"
I dont know how many of you read my post about my relative working recently at UCLA i have emailed them to find out this info, i will post here as soon as they answer me.

yep i did was it you cousin or something.. i didn't bombard you with questions tho.. just found it interesting.. keep them comin.. :)
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Aintnosunshine on January 27, 2010, 01:00:43 PM
Quote from: "Suzi~Ses~Its~Right"
I dont know how many of you read my post about my relative working recently at UCLA i have emailed them to find out this info, i will post here as soon as they answer me.


I read it and I am curious ....
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: michaelsupporter on January 27, 2010, 01:00:48 PM
Quote from: "Suzi~Ses~Its~Right"
I dont know how many of you read my post about my relative working recently at UCLA i have emailed them to find out this info, i will post here as soon as they answer me.


Hello Suzi~Ses~Its~Right:

I have a couple of questions for you that I feel are pertinent to this case.

1)Does UCLA have a medical pathologist that performs it's own autopsies? (most hospitals do)
2)Does UCLA have a morgue on campus or off campus? Where is it in regards to distance from the hospital?
3)Is it customary to chopper a VIP/high profile individual to the morgue (if it is off campus)?
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: michaelsupporter on January 27, 2010, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: "Boreas"
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
When someone dies in the hospital they DO NOT put a tag on the toe. Patients are all identified by the ID band on the wrist.  Do not waiver in your faith, my fellow believers, for this story is utterly preposterous!!!!!


If someone is willing to call UCLA and ask someone there that they are doing a "research project" on L.A's morgue procedures....someone should ask if they use Toe Tags there( the archaic form of I.D), or if they have switched to a new system (The I.D bracelet). That would clear this whole thing up.

In my understanding, toe tags are used as a means of identification of the dead once procured at the morgue. It is here that an autopsy is performed and the body is placed in a cooler until the mortician transports the body to the funeral home. Autopsies are not performed, of course, on all people. However, I am certain when a person dies in the hospital the ID wrist bracelet isn't switched over to a toe tag. When I read that story above I understood it to mean they switched his ID to a toe tag while yet in the hospital at UCLA. That creates a conflict in logic to me. However, Boreas' post made me ponder this situation a little more and now I must add that is why now we need to look into the fact if UCLA has it's own morgue and if so do they perform high profile/criminal autopsies right there on campus????  We have been led to believe that MJ's body was transported away by chopper to a morgue off site. We need to get these facts straight first to determine if this story bears any weight. If a medical pathologist on campus at UCLA performed the autopsy than the above story may be true....until then I won't even consider it.  
This all just feels too much like illusion to me. There is so much focus on the confusion created by what is told (the magic trick) that we fail to (or become too distracted) to see what hasn't (the reality of the illusion). I feel we need to step outside the hype and look at it from another perspective. I feel that dwelling on the hype is only frustrating us and leading us nowhere.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Bee Bee on January 27, 2010, 01:21:38 PM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
Speaking of wigs . have you ever seen a lace wig?


Nope, sorry, what is that?

That's the type of wig Beyoncé supposedly loves wearing. They look very real.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Aqu_zzz8ogE/R7dUTOgfKWI/AAAAAAAABDU/yBwFTAuT1z0/s400/Beyonce%2BLace%2Bfront%2BWeave-Wireimage.gif)

There are some pictures in which you can see Michael's hairline looking kinda like that. That doesn't necessarily mean that he's bald, though. I don't know if Beyoncé is bald, but she wears them all the time.  :D
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: MashMike on January 27, 2010, 01:33:42 PM
It's really ridiculous,M.J. has nothing to do with an asian,i mean he  doesn't even have a mere resembleness to it,don't forget that it's interenet,everyone can lie,i'm sure the one who claimed it is one of those non-believers who are too agressive concerning Mike's hoax death, they will tell any lie just to make the believers change their mind,to make us down,i personally have come across to a lot of such persons on internet,don't believe in that, it's bS,never lose hope
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Kirsche on January 27, 2010, 01:37:10 PM
Quote from: "Bee Bee"
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
Speaking of wigs . have you ever seen a lace wig?


Nope, sorry, what is that?

That's the type of wig Beyoncé supposedly loves wearing. They look very real.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Aqu_zzz8ogE/R7dUTOgfKWI/AAAAAAAABDU/yBwFTAuT1z0/s400/Beyonce%2BLace%2Bfront%2BWeave-Wireimage.gif)

There are some pictures in which you can see Michael's hairline looking kinda like that. That doesn't necessarily mean that he's bald, though. I don't know if Beyoncé is bald, but she wears them all the time.  :D


ah Okay, I also saw these kinda hairlines on John Travolta and Ashanti...I think it just makes your hair look fuller....with more volume ...
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on January 27, 2010, 03:00:40 PM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "Bee Bee"
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "Le Papillon Bleu"
Speaking of wigs . have you ever seen a lace wig?


Nope, sorry, what is that?

That's the type of wig Beyoncé supposedly loves wearing. They look very real.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Aqu_zzz8ogE/R7dUTOgfKWI/AAAAAAAABDU/yBwFTAuT1z0/s400/Beyonce%2BLace%2Bfront%2BWeave-Wireimage.gif)

There are some pictures in which you can see Michael's hairline looking kinda like that. That doesn't necessarily mean that he's bald, though. I don't know if Beyoncé is bald, but she wears them all the time.  :D


ah Okay, I also saw these kinda hairlines on John Travolta and Ashanti...I think it just makes your hair look fuller....with more volume ...
And for black people or people with curly hair is hard to always straighten it.....it can fall or get burned very fast because of the procedures so they choose to use this beautiful wigs Beyonce as you said has them they're amazing.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Angelica on January 27, 2010, 03:10:55 PM
Quote from: "KingMJ"
Quote from: "msteetee34"
[ Have you heard any witnesses give stories about that day? You know good and well if somebody had the opportunity to give some info. and make some big money they wouldn't be worried about no little hospital job.
I agree that this probably isn't true. Afterall, the asian bit just screams out false  :?   But, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the actual idea of it.  That 'little hopsital job' that u refer to, is actually somebodys career that they will have trained to do. If that were me, there is no way that I would sell out to the media, and definitely lose my job.. because that breach of confidentiality would follow you wherever u go.. U'd never be able to get a job in another hospital again.. you would lose your career.  Plus personally, if I had a photo or info, whatever of MJ really dead, I'd never go public with it.  I just wouldn't want to be that person responsible for putting it out there.  So whoever the people are who supposedly dealt with MJ's body at the hospital (if they did), I don't blame them at all for not coming forward with information.

I agree with you in parts Kingmj.
But if we consider the details reveals that there are other ways to market your photos.
This life king has a knack for not only has everything to death.
This doctor, nurse or receptionist at the hospital could easily sell this picture, without showing his face.
And we all know very well that this is possible, the person in the picture could do any transaction with a third person.
The doctor when he arrived at that point would not have anything on evidence that compromise because it would have already broken them all.
And we all know too well that this is possible, an example? Where are the tapes of the internal security of the house of Michael?
They can explain everything really happened that day, but curiously two days after his sister was there and took everything it could never have happened because the mansion would be of evidence of the investigative police, everything should stay as it was.
So let's not underestimate the ability of a physician to sell the photos.
What King is very simple: These photos and evidence does not exist, because Michael until proven otherwise is alive! ;)
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: MrJosephJ on January 27, 2010, 04:54:33 PM
OMG guys! It's so simple.   This dead fellow looked like an old bald asian because he was an old bald asain.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Suzi~Ses~Its~Right on January 27, 2010, 05:54:36 PM
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
Quote from: "Suzi~Ses~Its~Right"
I dont know how many of you read my post about my relative working recently at UCLA i have emailed them to find out this info, i will post here as soon as they answer me.


Hello Suzi~Ses~Its~Right:

I have a couple of questions for you that I feel are pertinent to this case.

1)Does UCLA have a medical pathologist that performs it's own autopsies? (most hospitals do)
2)Does UCLA have a morgue on campus or off campus? Where is it in regards to distance from the hospital?
3)Is it customary to chopper a VIP/high profile individual to the morgue (if it is off campus)?

Ok im not gone do a photo print of the mail cos its got personal details on it, and im aware that people have already tried contacting my relative at work but the answers are,

No they do not use toe tags at the hospital, the ID braclet is left on untill a body either goes for a post mortem, which is not always performed at the hospital, or goes to a funeral home etc. Toe tags apparently are not used widley in hospitals anymore as in the past many 'slip ups' have happened
I can answer two questions which is contained in the response anyway, 1) yes UCLA does have a medical Pathologist that performs SOME autopsies, as it is teaching hospital. 3) No it is not customary to chopper a VIP/High profile person. but the reason for this was to avoid the press and the bedlam going on around the site. (this is not factual, this is only what they are being told, she does not have 'inside information'.
I have emailed back question 2) will let you know when i recieve an answer, but as she is currently at work it could be a while yet.
I can tell you that after pictures and medical documentation was leaked from UCLA after britney spears had her child at UCLA and medical reports were leaked on high profile cases from the hospital, staff who release ANY information now are faced with loss of position AND it is hospital policy to sue the employee. Dont know if that information helps at all.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: alovesmichael on January 27, 2010, 06:17:25 PM
Quote from: "Suzi~Ses~Its~Right"
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
Quote from: "Suzi~Ses~Its~Right"
I dont know how many of you read my post about my relative working recently at UCLA i have emailed them to find out this info, i will post here as soon as they answer me.


Hello Suzi~Ses~Its~Right:

I have a couple of questions for you that I feel are pertinent to this case.

1)Does UCLA have a medical pathologist that performs it's own autopsies? (most hospitals do)
2)Does UCLA have a morgue on campus or off campus? Where is it in regards to distance from the hospital?
3)Is it customary to chopper a VIP/high profile individual to the morgue (if it is off campus)?

Ok im not gone do a photo print of the mail cos its got personal details on it, and im aware that people have already tried contacting my relative at work but the answers are,

No they do not use toe tags at the hospital, the ID braclet is left on untill a body either goes for a post mortem, which is not always performed at the hospital, or goes to a funeral home etc. Toe tags apparently are not used widley in hospitals anymore as in the past many 'slip ups' have happened
I can answer two questions which is contained in the response anyway, 1) yes UCLA does have a medical Pathologist that performs SOME autopsies, as it is teaching hospital. 3) No it is not customary to chopper a VIP/High profile person. but the reason for this was to avoid the press and the bedlam going on around the site. (this is not factual, this is only what they are being told, she does not have 'inside information'.
I have emailed back question 2) will let you know when i recieve an answer, but as she is currently at work it could be a while yet.
I can tell you that after pictures and medical documentation was leaked from UCLA after britney spears had her child at UCLA and medical reports were leaked on high profile cases from the hospital, staff who release ANY information now are faced with loss of position AND it is hospital policy to sue the employee. Dont know if that information helps at all.

Well that would at least rule out the "toe tag situation". I actually had no idea how they usually "mark" the patients so this was very insightful information thank you. I guess I was quite hysterical when I started this thread but after reading all the comments I realise I might have overreacted after all. I suppose I have bad days sometimes   :oops:  But I do still believe it's important to question everything...

@MrJosephJ - LOL! Maybe!
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: mumof3 on January 27, 2010, 06:18:25 PM
I think it is all rubbish why would they put a toe tag on Michael if he had passed away  as no body would be leaving his body alone and he was taken away it does not add up I thought they might do that if you go into the morgue and left there but that would not have been the case with Micheal because of who he is so no need to toe tag.Any way i dont think they do that now i think it is just a familiar scene fom a horror film that sort of thing that might have given the person the idea tooo say that  a stephen king ending. ..
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: the arabian nights on January 28, 2010, 02:23:06 AM
Quote from: "MrJosephJ"
OMG guys! It's so simple.   This dead fellow looked like an old bald asian because he was an old bald asain.
i like what you have said, your funny.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: ILuvUMoreMJ on January 28, 2010, 05:01:39 AM
Quote from: "Suzi~Ses~Its~Right"
Ok im not gone do a photo print of the mail cos its got personal details on it, and im aware that people have already tried contacting my relative at work but the answers are,

No they do not use toe tags at the hospital, the ID braclet is left on untill a body either goes for a post mortem, which is not always performed at the hospital, or goes to a funeral home etc. Toe tags apparently are not used widley in hospitals anymore as in the past many 'slip ups' have happened
I can answer two questions which is contained in the response anyway, 1) yes UCLA does have a medical Pathologist that performs SOME autopsies, as it is teaching hospital. 3) No it is not customary to chopper a VIP/High profile person. but the reason for this was to avoid the press and the bedlam going on around the site. (this is not factual, this is only what they are being told, she does not have 'inside information'.
I have emailed back question 2) will let you know when i recieve an answer, but as she is currently at work it could be a while yet.
I can tell you that after pictures and medical documentation was leaked from UCLA after britney spears had her child at UCLA and medical reports were leaked on high profile cases from the hospital, staff who release ANY information now are faced with loss of position AND it is hospital policy to sue the employee. Dont know if that information helps at all.

Thanks for the info Suzi!  I found this same info from a couple of different hospitals too...
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cac ... N_bxMoaTDg (http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:CAPn0z_FbXoJ:www.lpct.nhs.uk/Documents/About%2520Us/Policies/Clinical-Provider%2520Services/CPS001%2520Policy%2520for%2520Patient%2520Identification.pdf+wrist+id+band+body+coroner&hl=en&gl=us&sig=AHIEtbSznj8t9JCECONtWgMDN_bxMoaTDg)  This one's really interesting and talks all about the death certificates, etc... http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cac ... sx-K1lYV9g (http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:wHEpLl1BqOMJ:ems.dhs.lacounty.gov/ManualsProtocols/MFIM/MFIGuidanceForHospitals808.pdf+Los+angeles+coroner+ID+wristband&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjyy2vHlrMZzeornPvop_mBYDkVy3FEW7qc4cwwdCFrQlCDHTxJBCa-zoOE86Jhioyj4f9_VLUOFr-6XPJ7vDB-F5XKFNfd7KvF3viDput9VyGa_0ASZerAD68t7BIitcQqSQa6&sig=AHIEtbQaqDmnQPdpEZKGXh8fsx-K1lYV9g)  
I'm not surprised that after the Britney fiasco there have been no document leaks with MJ.  But I am surprised no one has said anything at all about him even being there.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on February 08, 2010, 07:37:38 PM
that person is me... and i am telling you what i was told. but i have put that in the back of my head to beLIEve. too many things point to the hoax. although i know exactly what ive heard. im sorry. i am user qtgonewild on youtube (if you still have the message)
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: MJ212 on February 08, 2010, 09:46:19 PM
Quote from: "onemorechance"
said he looked like an old asian? guy. bald.

I don't think it's possible that Mike would look like an old Asian guy even if dead. sorry. :lol:

well if that picture that i have seen lately was supposed to be michael the bald asian look would make sense,but i still believe michael is alive,especially with the pic of the real murray,very weird
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: voiceforthesilent on February 08, 2010, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Ok, I'm pretty much freaking out right now crying my eyes out... I might also be posting under the wrong topic but I'm just very very confused and upset right now so I appologize if this is the case. I just found something out and it's negative but I feel that I need to share it.

I was watching videos on YT and actually came across "anti-hoax videos", i.e. videos showing why all these "clues" are stupid which made me cry (yes I'm being really really emotional). Then I watched another hoax video and read all comments which were all from non-believers and one of them caught my eye, here it is:

he has passed. i know the one who tagged him at ucla medical center. said he looked like an old asian? guy. bald. very very thin and long gone. dead for a while at that point. f u conrad murray. long live the king. r.i.p. mj

That got me confused so I sent him/her a question: what do you mean tagged can u please explain. And who is this person? you know?

And here is the reply:

he one that works at ucla medical. they made them give up all phones and pretty much EVERYTHING off their person before they went in to do their job. he put the toe tag on him. that tag. because i told this person you could have made so much money. he said its not worth his job and? again they took all phones cameras or anything else before they were allowed in the room.

Sorry guys I'm going mental now crying floods while typing this... "Toe tag"?!  :shock: Pictures are popping up in my head and I just wanna die! What to do?

For confidentiality reasons, they probably make them do that for everyone, not just celebrities.  In our medical facility we treat everyone the same - not just the rich and famous.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: alovesmichael on February 09, 2010, 06:15:47 AM
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]that person is me... and i am telling you what i was told. but i have put that in the back of my head to beLIEve. too many things point to the hoax. although i know exactly what ive heard. im sorry. i am user qtgonewild on youtube (if you still have the message)

I was the one that sent you a message, what a small world!  :D
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on February 09, 2010, 09:30:50 AM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]that person is me... and i am telling you what i was told. but i have put that in the back of my head to beLIEve. too many things point to the hoax. although i know exactly what ive heard. im sorry. i am user qtgonewild on youtube (if you still have the message)

I was the one that sent you a message, what a small world!  :D


it is such a small world. i am glad to have found my way here.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: ILuvUMoreMJ on February 12, 2010, 05:34:05 AM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
I just found something out and it's negative but I feel that I need to share it.

I watched another hoax video and read all comments which were all from non-believers and one of them caught my eye, here it is:

he has passed. i know the one who tagged him at ucla medical center. said he looked like an old asian? guy. bald. very very thin and long gone. dead for a while at that point. f u conrad murray. long live the king. r.i.p. mj

That got me confused so I sent him/her a question: what do you mean tagged can u please explain. And who is this person? you know?

And here is the reply:

he one that works at ucla medical. they made them give up all phones and pretty much EVERYTHING off their person before they went in to do their job. he put the toe tag on him. that tag. because i told this person you could have made so much money. he said its not worth his job and? again they took all phones cameras or anything else before they were allowed in the room.

Sorry guys I'm going mental now crying floods while typing this... "Toe tag"?!  :shock: Pictures are popping up in my head and I just wanna die! What to do?

Even though most hospitals use other forms of ID now, a toe tag was confirmed in the autopsy, so I wonder if this guy was telling the truth?  :?
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Datroot on February 12, 2010, 09:59:27 AM
Quote from: "Infinitylady"
Quote
he has passed. i know the one who tagged him at ucla medical center. said he looked like an old asian? guy. bald. very very thin and long gone. dead for a while at that point. f u conrad murray. long live the king. r.i.p. mj


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

puhleassssssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


 :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  ;)  ;)  ;)

Sounds like a load of BS to me - but what do I know.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: alovesmichael on February 12, 2010, 01:56:00 PM
Quote from: "ILuvUMoreMJ"
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
I just found something out and it's negative but I feel that I need to share it.

I watched another hoax video and read all comments which were all from non-believers and one of them caught my eye, here it is:

he has passed. i know the one who tagged him at ucla medical center. said he looked like an old asian? guy. bald. very very thin and long gone. dead for a while at that point. f u conrad murray. long live the king. r.i.p. mj

That got me confused so I sent him/her a question: what do you mean tagged can u please explain. And who is this person? you know?

And here is the reply:

he one that works at ucla medical. they made them give up all phones and pretty much EVERYTHING off their person before they went in to do their job. he put the toe tag on him. that tag. because i told this person you could have made so much money. he said its not worth his job and? again they took all phones cameras or anything else before they were allowed in the room.

Sorry guys I'm going mental now crying floods while typing this... "Toe tag"?!  :shock: Pictures are popping up in my head and I just wanna die! What to do?

Even though most hospitals use other forms of ID now, a toe tag was confirmed in the autopsy, so I wonder if this guy was telling the truth?  :?

Yeah that's what's worrying me  :?  But then again someone on this forum has a relative working in UCLA and she said they don't use toe tags (you can read it a bit further up on this thread) but maybe they but the toetag on at the coroners... But what I remember is being told that this guy works at UCLA. And then there's the doubt of the autopsy report being real... Idk what to make of anything really but I do know that the AR is very detailed and long, it freaks me out  :(
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: karen-ishealive on February 12, 2010, 02:01:53 PM
Well he didn't look Asian while he was alive so I highly doubt he looked Asian when he was dead. FFS i'm white and Irish so when I die will I look Chinese??????????
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Venus on February 12, 2010, 03:13:46 PM
Quote from: "karen-ishealive"
Well he didn't look Asian while he was alive so I highly doubt he looked Asian when he was dead. FFS i'm white and Irish so when I die will I look Chinese??????????

The witness said he looked asian doesn't mean he looked like real chinese, but could have some features changed after lots of botox and other prosedures that Arnold Klein mentioned. With the extremely small nose for 50 years old (because nose and ears grow all life and look only bigger while aging) and tatoos, and botox... could be true...And by the way asian is not always chinese.
I know a girl who look like jewish, but she's not and she's asian by the way.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: SoundOfCrescendo on February 12, 2010, 04:15:55 PM
I'm not sure we can really trust ANYTHING we hear about him, in any form of the media (Internet, Television, radio, ect.)...I mean, anyone can go and say they saw the doctor put a toe tag on Michael, or anyone can say they saw Michael running through the bushes, or anyone can say they're sitting with him and they're watching Friends right now or something. I mean, either of these (I'm making them up, but who knows, someone somewhere probably said it at a time), if I were to tell you were true, could be believable:

Hey guys. I'm just letting you know that Michael, as much as I hate to say it, is gone. I was there in the ER when he came rushing through, we were all terrified. The doctors told us all to keep our distance. We did. The doctors came back out finally about an hour later, not speaking a word. I just can't imagine he could still be alive. I'm sorry, it hurts me too. =(

OOORRRR....

Oh my God! Guys! I'm soooo happy. Earlier we were at a strip mall in LA and as we were walking, we saw this man dressed in all black, kinda covering his face. He was walking pretty fast, but As we walked past him, he looked up and i KNOW it was Michael!He hurried into the bathroom and a few minutes later came back out, walking faster than ever to try and get somewhere, I guess. After today i KNOW he's alive!

I know both of those sound kinda far fetched, but what doesn't right now? All I'm trying to say with this is that anything could be true, despite what we're hearing. I'm sure most of you believe that to be true, but I just don't want people losing the faith over something small. I mean, we can't just forget all the weird things that have been happening, can we? :D
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: karralyn on February 12, 2010, 04:20:10 PM
A thought just came to me, maybe not important, but,........about this guy losing his job over confidentiality..........
Didn't Farrah Fawcett sue because her medical reports were stolen or whatever and then made their way in the papers?   Strange, and then she passes away on the same day as MJ supposedly did????
karralyn
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Hoaxornot on February 12, 2010, 07:34:45 PM
One thing I want to add that I know is true.. my stepdad was at USC for a surgery... Michael was flown from UCLA to USC and taken to the Coroner which is attached to USC
That is an info from a nurse at USC but they are not talking about anything else
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Venus on February 12, 2010, 11:33:47 PM
Quote from: "Hoaxornot"
One thing I want to add that I know is true.. my stepdad was at USC for a surgery... Michael was flown from UCLA to USC and taken to the Coroner which is attached to USC
That is an info from a nurse at USC but they are not talking about anything else

How did you know he was flown there is they are not talking about it? What is USC? And why he was taken there?
So you think he passed?
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: ILuvUMoreMJ on February 13, 2010, 08:07:54 AM
I saw some reports that said he was taken there.  I don't think there's anything weird about it that I can think of.
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: susie_23 on February 13, 2010, 08:09:53 AM
I think USC stands for University of Southern California, but I could be wrong.
I only know that because of college football,  :lol:
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: Hoaxornot on February 13, 2010, 10:45:16 AM
Not sure if Michael is dead but the body was flown to USC hospital since the coroner is right there... My stepdad stayed 5 weeks at USC and that is the only thing we heard about Michael
Title: Re: Witness - Michael's dead
Post by: the arabian nights on February 15, 2010, 03:11:13 PM
Quote from: "Hoaxornot"
Not sure if Michael is dead but the body was flown to USC hospital since the coroner is right there... My stepdad stayed 5 weeks at USC and that is the only thing we heard about Michael
what do you mean how far away is the coroner's office

is there any official record of  how many pp died at the ucla on 25/06/09, as there were two bodies in the helicopter but we dont know how the other body got there?
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