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Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: farhatmjj on February 03, 2010, 09:14:30 AM

Title: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: farhatmjj on February 03, 2010, 09:14:30 AM
i'm really nervous to post this topic as somehow whenever i post a topic it gets deleted for being a double post. everytime i search by myself as the search option never seems to work and sometimes even that doesn't help.

i know there are topics like "slip ups", "the weird list" but this topic that i'm posing is not entirely like those.

i want this topic to be one that helps us keep the faith or regain the faith. all these months, seeing so many odd things, clues and stuff... sometimes we forget what was the first thing that hit us that this really might be a hoax. i think when we remember those unique things it saves us from losing the faith sometimes. atleast for me it does.

so please, list the things that have the capability to boost your faith when you feel like losing it. it can be a clue from Michael, a slip up from anyone close to him, anything!

for example, at this moment all i can think of is the "pains" at the end of "will you be there" at the memorial service. take all the clues away, that single "s" is enough to make me believe there's something that isn't as it seems to be.
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: hope on February 03, 2010, 09:27:33 AM
This an excellent idea,especially now when our faith may be a little low. The thing that sticks out to me first is the lack of comments from staff, patients and visitors at UCLA. There are MANY ways to sell a story without getting caught. You cant tell me out of 100+ employees and public bystanders, that no one saw/heard anything, or that every employee there is so loyal that they would pass up thousands of dollars to tell their story (whether he died or not).
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: PureLove on February 03, 2010, 10:05:12 AM
Liberian Girl pictures at the memorial and funeral :D They made me start to investigate about the hoax :D
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Eva R on February 03, 2010, 10:05:25 AM
exactly! And if Michael does not come back on 25 June, thats not a problem! Nobody said he would come back, it was just a thought. And just trust Michael that he will make the right decsision  :D
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: PureLove on February 03, 2010, 10:10:38 AM
The helicopter video, the dancers being the ushers at the funeral, all the beLIEeve and L.O.V.E stuff that were used and written by the people who are close to Michael. Kenny's tweets. "I'm Alive and I'm here forever" writing on the big screen at the memorial. 2 different funeral locations. 3 different death certificates, ohhhhhhh I can count many more :)
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Sarahli on February 03, 2010, 02:40:06 PM
I just had in mind what Kenny Ortega said at the Memorial "We were here, we were right here, a little less than a week ago, we were a family and Michael was with us".  Thank you Kenny  ;)
Still at the Memorial, the smiles of the family speak volumes to me  :)  :)
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: mjsweety on February 03, 2010, 02:45:34 PM
for me it has to be MJ at the O2 speech: This is it , this is it really , and when i say this is it , i really mean this is it because...
I refuse to believe that it's a coincidence!
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: rowdyangel on February 03, 2010, 02:47:38 PM
One of the things that I always go back to is that YouTube video of Dr Murray - the words he spoke were sooooooooo Michael Jackson!!!!!!  That video was just plain weird!!!
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Bee Bee on February 03, 2010, 02:58:39 PM
Ooohhhh. :) One of the things that made me really doubt Michael's death was the fact that we just never got to see his body. Many of the most famous people got a public viewing, and we know that many members of Michael's family love publicity very much, so what on earth would stop them from showing his body? This would've been a huge event. And I think they kinda took our chance from us to say goodbye to Michael. He was/is the most famous man in the world, and his death would be something you have to see to believe. We have a right to mourn, too. And they took that from us.
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: loyalfan on February 03, 2010, 03:04:35 PM
I AGREE......REMEMBER WHEN PRINCESS DIANA DIED......HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS LINED THE STREETS TO SEE HER COFFIN.....SO HOW COME THE MOST FAMOUS MAN ON EARTH NEVER HAD THAT????//
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: angel on February 03, 2010, 03:13:26 PM
Out of the overwhelming abundance of evidence we have so far, what sealed the deal for me was the "mayor" from Ghost and DD/LKL.  When I see those two expressions in my mind there is no doubt for me.  Michael can disguise himself in a thousand ways but he can't conceal that eye expression.  If I had no other clue this is enough for me.
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: ForeverTrue on February 03, 2010, 03:15:58 PM
all the strange happenings at the grammy's: prince choking up, paris message, unusual audio for earth song...
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: steffmaster1 on February 03, 2010, 03:40:34 PM
emphasis on love L.O.V.E calender pic thirller in colour february maybe valentines day??

Murray still working not charged after 7 months 8 now am i right??!! ;)
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: steffmaster1 on February 03, 2010, 03:41:04 PM
oooh dont forget janet laughing her ass off bout mjs death wtf :lol:
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: steffmaster1 on February 03, 2010, 03:41:28 PM
Quote from: "ForeverTrue"
all the strange happenings at the grammy's: prince choking up, paris message, unusual audio for earth song...

yep and paris wearing ghosts shirt ;)
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: lotus_sutra on February 03, 2010, 03:48:04 PM
my sixth sense... 8-)
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Crescendo on February 03, 2010, 03:49:44 PM
Quote from: "Eva R"
exactly! And if Michael does not come back on 25 June, thats not a problem! Nobody said he would come back, it was just a thought. And just trust Michael that he will make the right decsision  :D

Very true.

Let me add to the list. Let's see. Where do I begin?

The photographer Ben Evansted ('that day and the other da- and uh and uh' guy), Michael's name keeps getting left out of memoriam lists (On Tmz and at the Grammys), missing footage from the house, family tampering with what would be a crime scene (because it was ruled a homicide) but not gettin in any legal trouble, Latoya signing the dc, TMZ reporting the "death" 6 minutes ahead of the pronounced time, Jermaine giving the "official" statement, etc. etc.
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: PrettyYoungTeletubby on February 03, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
Let me add my 2 cents:)

- Murray still a free man
- The guy in the ambulance who doesn't know how to place his hands to do a heart massage and the whole ambulance pic
- 911 calls : the voice of the bodyguard, so calm and the "if you need sth else call back" stuff
- Soon and very soon we are going to see the king
- wiggle dance and surf board
- The end of TII: Bam!
- a cardiologist doing CPR on a bed and on a man with a "faint pulse"!!!!!!!!!
- the fact that no one can get their story straight...he was dead, he wasn't, Prince witnessed it, Prince didn t , he was an addict, he wasnt....
- The fact that MJ rehired John Branca nine days b4 dropping "dead" and Murray just 12 days B4

geeeez and the list goes on...If i had just one of the things u guys listed, i would already beLIEve we got a hoax...
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: xirisjex on February 03, 2010, 04:05:38 PM
One thing that still makes no sense to me is that the there is no way he would have been able to start his concerts at the 02 on time.
The tickets for the concerts weren't even ready till like 2 months after when you could decide to get them instead of a refund. ( btw I still don't have my ticket for some reason)
Costumes weren't ready.. on the dvd you can see that the lighman costume wasn't ready to go for instance.
He started rehearsels very late. I mean this is Michael jackson, a known perfectionist, why do everything last minute and under a time crunch all of a sudden? He never had problems like this before?

That's what makes me think the concerts weren't meant to happen. ( Which saddens me since like I said I was supposed to go)
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: PrettyYoungTeletubby on February 03, 2010, 04:13:40 PM
yeah that s so right! they were never gonna make it on time for the 13th july. True.

- the wrong adress on the death certificate and wrong number of years in the county. The fact that 2 doctors refused to sign it
- Ian Halperin writing MJ s got 6 months to live end of 2008. And 6 months after he was "gone"
- Jermaine 's slip up when singing SMILE
- Joseph seen laughing hard with reverend after MJ's "death"
- He s not singing the line "and the lie becomes the truth" in Billie jean in TII
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: AnnieIsNotOK on February 03, 2010, 04:23:38 PM
-pictures of Liberian girl 8-)
-odd behaving from family :?
-close friends's silence :?
-"cardiologist"hired,why???
-CPR on a bed :roll:
-KO,Orianthi,TII dancers,chorists,desingner...This was supposed to be the GREATEST comeback EVER...unless I missed something, I saw no one broke down,not once...all smiles...I mean,this should have been one hell of a desapointement,to say the least!! :!:
-TII...After seeing it at the cinema,don't think thoses concerts were meant to be...too much to do in such little time...lightman wasn't even ready :shock:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Angelica on February 03, 2010, 04:34:21 PM
I agree with you on everything, but we have to consider other possibilities such as these:
All of us in these 7 months, researched, debated, investigated.
For me if the doctor is actually indicted, confirms the death of Michael.
But there is something very interesting in all this.
The Jackson Family.
Let's be realistic, the brother never forgave Michael remoteness, remember the special broadcast here in the Brazilian tvs, his mother in the affidavit, asked not to take Michael to the group, everyone knew he was the soul and voice that gave life to the Jackson 5 .
If this definition is that Murray arrested, that only confirms that family, took advantage of his brother's death, they wanted to explore in 7 months and bill in every way possible over the name Michael.
Me is a form of revenge, "You abandoned us So now you will pay us back what is rightfully ours."
So many clues, messages stressing, details grammy, videos, photos and etc ... for what?
Who did it then?
Answer: Your sister!
They are taking advantage of every form, because the wound in the hearts of fans around the world is still open, while they continue to play tracks that I begin to think they are all fake, the fans will continue to spend their hard earned money on dvds, cds, all for clues that are false, they do everything in order to explore, to make money using the picture of Michael, why not buy and not buy anything until all this is fully defined.
And it seems that this torture is coming to an end.
Forgive the long text but this is my vent.  :(
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Kirsche on February 03, 2010, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: "AnnieIsNotOK"
-pictures of Liberian girl 8-)

-KO,Orianthi,TII dancers,chorists,desingner...This was supposed to be the GREATEST comeback EVER...unless I missed something, I saw no one broke down,not once...all smiles...I mean,this should have been one hell of a desapointement,to say the least!! :!:
-TII...After seeing it at the cinema,don't think thoses concerts were meant to be...too much to do in such little time...lightman wasn't even ready :shock:  :lol:  :lol:


Good Point!

Never thought about that!! It was supposed to be the GREATEST COMEBACK, as you said, but nobody seemed really shocked, that this shows didn't take place......No, instead of that, Orianthi releases her first Album ( called "BELIEVE") and the TII dancers rehearsing for tributes or for other shows.....WEIRD!
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Idéalo on February 03, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
version does not join, when there is only one truth, no lies
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Crescendo on February 03, 2010, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: "xirisjex"
One thing that still makes no sense to me is that the there is no way he would have been able to start his concerts at the 02 on time.
The tickets for the concerts weren't even ready till like 2 months after when you could decide to get them instead of a refund. ( btw I still don't have my ticket for some reason)
Costumes weren't ready.. on the dvd you can see that the lighman costume wasn't ready to go for instance.
He started rehearsels very late. I mean this is Michael jackson, a known perfectionist, why do everything last minute and under a time crunch all of a sudden? He never had problems like this before?

That's what makes me think the concerts weren't meant to happen. ( Which saddens me since like I said I was supposed to go)


 :o  :shock:  Oh my goodness.

That really takes me back. :shock:
I gotta hear more about this.
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: darkchild on February 04, 2010, 12:51:29 AM
Quote from: "mjsweety"
for me it has to be MJ at the O2 speech: This is it , this is it really , and when i say this is it , i really mean this is it because...
I refuse to believe that it's a coincidence!

Yep, that is where it started for me.  ;)
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: SoundOfCrescendo on February 04, 2010, 01:13:04 AM
Well, theres a lot of things....
His death Certificate was never signed, no one in his Family has cried (Acting is different than reacting  ;)  ) No one from UCLA has said ANYTHING, the airport was shut down for a part of the 25th, the ambulance picture (I'm pretty sure most of us can agree) was a fake, The ambulance had no rush while leaving his house, the Helicopter was in a rush to get to a morgue (Maybe they didn't know what a morgue was?), the family and friends say either odd things or nothing constantly, the kids seem pretty cheery for "losing their father"...
I could go on, but I think this and everything else others have said (Which I probably just repeated. Sorry. >.< ) is a good amount to keep the faith up. ;)
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: farhatmjj on February 04, 2010, 06:01:22 AM
oh wow this is working for me!  :D thanks for the posts people!! keep'em coming!!!

the lyrics of the song "threatened" is another big clue for me.

there is also a clue in "give in to me".... "you won't be laughing girl when i'm not around/b], i'll be okay!!! that kind of tells me that people will regret for taking him for granted and mocking him when he's... you know.. "dead", but nothing will happen to him, he'll be fine. then, the "heaven can wait" lyrics... the part "the time might come around when you'd be moving on, I'd turn it all around and try to get back down to my baby girl/b] makes me think he's saying when we would be in a state of like moving on... i mean, when we will stop expecting him to return, he will BAM!! i don't know, i might be wrong with this one, but i don't like this thought. cause i don't think the time when we'll be "moving on" is near.
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: MashMike on February 04, 2010, 07:11:09 AM
1)As well as the lyrics of the one of his recent songs "XCAPE"-IT'S a very well planned scheme of scaping
2)Paris Jackson's necklace,according to LaToya,she bought a necklace having a heart shape after Mike's "death",kept one part of it for herself the other put in the coffin near her daddy,but the same necklace with one half was spotted on her long before Mike's death
3)Paris's tearless speech at the memorial
4)Horror Night with Liz Taylor,Mike's  kids and the man with a mask,it's obviously Michael
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: koulio02 on February 04, 2010, 07:24:26 AM
we must keep our eyes open
delete if this is not the right place:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYDsLw5Smc4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYDsLw5Smc4)
L.O.V.E
koulio02
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Crescendo on February 04, 2010, 07:01:46 PM
Quote from: "MashMike"
1)As well as the lyrics of the one of his recent songs "XCAPE"-IT'S a very well planned scheme of scaping
2)Paris Jackson's necklace,according to LaToya,she bought a necklace having a heart shape after Mike's "death",kept one part of it for herself the other put in the coffin near her daddy,but the same necklace with one half was spotted on her long before Mike's death
3)Paris's tearless speech at the memorial
4)Horror Night with Liz Taylor,Mike's  kids and the man with a mask,it's obviously Michael

Number 4 is a biggie. Remember the Tmz article which stated "MJ and his kids at Horror Nights" :shock:
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Truth_Freedom on February 04, 2010, 08:58:16 PM
Why do we need a list to keep the faith....if you know what you know is the ULTIMATE truth....why a list of things to help?????  :?:
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: farhatmjj on February 05, 2010, 12:47:37 AM
Yes we believe Michael's alive. But i guess many would agree that now we may sometimes feel down, not necessarily lose the faith but just feel down as it has been a really long stressful ride for us. As i stated above, we have been seeing a lot of things and investigating on them all these months, some of them may just get out of our heads for a while that once were the biggest clues for us. Remembering those things may help all over again, so there's this list.
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: MashMike on February 05, 2010, 05:13:21 AM
To Crecendo

Yeah i'm almost sure that some members of the  TMZ know about the hoax,i've read an article(document) which says that TMZ belongs to a person who's Mike's relative,it made my day, i wish i saved it in my PC. :(
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Sangre on February 05, 2010, 06:39:02 AM
Quote from: "Truth_Freedom"
Why do we need a list to keep the faith....if you know what you know is the ULTIMATE truth....why a list of things to help?????  :?:

Because we don't know if it's the ultimate truth. All we post here, are just theories. If I'd know 100% that Michael is alive, I wouldn't be here. I would live my life, knowing my hero is alive, happy, with his family.
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: PrettyYoungTeletubby on February 08, 2010, 05:31:25 PM
UP
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Lady J on February 08, 2010, 06:13:29 PM
Guyz look into the coroner´s report, they name the official authorities who pronounced him dead and who did the autopsy.  :cry:
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: MichaelaRose on February 08, 2010, 07:18:16 PM
Crapppppppppp I am so confused.
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: mjgirl86 on February 08, 2010, 07:21:49 PM
You're not the only one torn and confused.....  :?  :(  :(  :(
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Loes on February 08, 2010, 07:34:07 PM
I have 2 other clues that made me think that's so bizare, this can't be a coincidence:

Gilda in TII (he played the role of the man who hoaxed his death)

the comic book Faited (written by MJ and the son of Deepak Chopra, finished in spring 2009), where a popstar (with the looks of MJ) fakes his death and looks from the sideline how people react to his "death". The book comes to the shop this summer.

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Crescendo on February 09, 2010, 04:37:11 AM
Quote from: "Loes"
I have 2 other clues that made me think that's so bizare, this can't be a coincidence:

Gilda in TII (he played the role of the man who hoaxed his death)

the comic book Faited (written by MJ and the son of Deepak Chopra, finished in spring 2009), where a popstar (with the looks of MJ) fakes his death and looks from the sideline how people react to his "death". The book comes to the shop this summer.

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Loes on February 09, 2010, 10:06:47 AM
Quote from: "Crescendo"
Quote from: "Loes"
I have 2 other clues that made me think that's so bizare, this can't be a coincidence:

Gilda in TII (he played the role of the man who hoaxed his death)

the comic book Faited (written by MJ and the son of Deepak Chopra, finished in spring 2009), where a popstar (with the looks of MJ) fakes his death and looks from the sideline how people react to his "death". The book comes to the shop this summer.

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

That's a very big cloo, isn't it? Did you mis that one?
The biggest clue in my opinion and the one that still gives me faith till this day ....  ;)
The book is called Fated (not Faited).
Here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaDz6rk5E5c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaDz6rk5E5c)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Loes on February 10, 2010, 06:54:05 PM
This is an old one, I still have it on my hard drive.

It's about the pepsi-incident and the release of that video right after Michael's "death".

I copied it from the old MJHD-forum.
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Ok. I don't know if this has been discussed here earlier (at least I didin't find a thread about this) so I decided to share this observation:The dates are important: Michael Jackson's birth =29th of August 1958 and "death" = 25th of June 2009Michael lived 50 years, 9 months, 28 days including the end date. It is 18 564 days from the start date to the end date, end date included.How old was Michael when the Pepsi accident happened? 25 years old…?The pepsi accident happened in 27th of January in 1984 and actually Michael was 25 years, 4 months, 29 days old when that happened. That is 9282 days.Now, let's do some simple mathematics here: 9282 + 9282 = 18564 (Michael's life in days). So, the pepsi accident happened in the middle of his lifetime. Exactly. Is this destiny/coincidence? Well, it seems like a big clue. Why this sudden leak of the video?I think this all is so planned… the dates and the leak are hand in hand imo.
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With that post was a link to a site where you can put the two dates on and you get the amount of days between these two dates. I couln't find that site back, but I know it's exactly right this 18.564 days, because at that time I checked it out.
Isn't this the weirdest coincidence? And who leaked the pepsi-comercial? (only MJ had a copy).

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: farhatmjj on June 13, 2010, 03:24:18 AM
I think this thread should be updated again!  :roll:
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: Sangre on June 13, 2010, 09:03:34 AM
Quote from: "farhatmjj"
I think this thread should be updated again!  :roll:

Agreed...
Title: Re: list of the things that help you not to lose the faith
Post by: nefari on June 14, 2010, 12:31:20 AM
Dave Dave on LKL and all of the different looking Murrays make me hold on as does pure simple love along with miles and miles of outrageous and ridiculous clues.
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