Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: mykidsmum on February 05, 2010, 07:43:07 PM
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Watch Dateline tonight...they promise insider information into the death of Michael Jackson. Lets see if we find out anything new. 9 PM Eastern Time USA ON NOW
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This show could be interesting. Can't wait to watch!
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Watch Dateline tonight...they promise insider information into the death of Michael Jackson. Lets see if we find out anything new.
You mean msnbc Dateline? Does anyone here know what time it plays eastern time?
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I think its on at 10 eastern time
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Watch Dateline tonight...they promise insider information into the death of Michael Jackson. Lets see if we find out anything new.
You mean msnbc Dateline? Does anyone here know what time it plays eastern time?
I'm on the East Coast USA, it comes on at 10 PM...If you miss it, I'm sure you can watch it on Dateline or youtube site later.
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That's funny I'm on the US east coast and my guide says 9pm.
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It's 9 eastern, 8 central
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Thank you guys. I wont miss it, not that I have much faith in what they are going to bring even if new cause we know the media dont always get it right :lol: . But it's worth listening to and then do my own analyse and investigating, right? ;)
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It just started...
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Watching it.
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Please keep us inform!! I can´t watch it!!
Thanks!
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not sure we're going to get much positive news from Dateline story....so far they discussed MJ after his acquittal and Messerau telling him to leave Neverland and Chopra saying MJ asked him for painkillers....still sounds like they are pulling out all negative info they can find. Not saying it's true but not sure I'm going to enjoy this episode.
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oh. thanks!
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I think its on at 10 eastern time
It's on at 9. I'm on the east coast of usa and I'm watching it.
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Guys me watching this. MJ seemed to be really, really, really, unhappy with himself! He wanted normalcy soooo much this breaks my heart. They just covered him in Ireland and people in Ireland that knew him said that is what they felt. Like he wanted normalcy. Also that he was having insomnia really really bad. Now they are going to take us to Mj and Murray when they first met in Vegas! I just wish MJ would have saw a sleep specialist. :( :( They said Mj had many problems and a lot of it he just wanted peace! Out of the spotlight.
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woops had my time wrong. I'm watching it now too.
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Did you hear them say that Michael's acquittal was in June of that year June what :?:
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Did you hear them say that Michael's acquittal was in June of that year June what :?:
Yes, he was aquitted in June 2005.
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If Dr Murray isn't who we think he is.. then how did those guys see him?
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If Dr Murray isn't who we think he is.. then how did those guys see him?
I still think the guys are not who they say they are. Remember the "names" of the so-called patients who wrote testimonials for him (I think on Murray's lawyers website)?
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Well guys, please keep me updated i was watching it but my area has a huge snow storm right now so the news took over. :( :( :(
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Why in the h*** did they find it necessary to choose to show the mugshot photo when discussing his 50th birthday? What the h*** did that picture have to do with it???? Geez...
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cont'd...they've discussed MJ's falling out with Bahrain Prince, his move to Ireland & brief interview with the RiverDancer (can't recall his name), showed him working on music with Will.i.am in Ireland and now onto his move bk to Vegas (supposedly shopping for someone to provide him that good night's sleep) ----sigh! :roll:
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they are now heading into discussing Dr Murray...they have 3 of his so-called patients. Does anyone else thing all 3 of them look like made-up characters? We'll see where this leads.... :?
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All of this stuff is old news. I think they're going to play the phone call Murray made to a "bob".
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They were playing phone calls by Murray and said he sounded too calm to be standing by a dying Michael Jackson. :roll:
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yep, all old news and they did play the phone message to "Bob"...this entire episode was a reminder of all that's happened and more for people who haven't followed since June. It didn't support the hoax at all, unless, it's just a reminder for those who missed Scenes 1 and 2 of this "Story"....ok, that was tough for me to watch so I'm moving onto other topics so ya'll can cheer me up :cry:
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Oh don't even get me started on the 911 call!!! Too calm.
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They were playing phone calls by Murray and said he sounded too calm to be standing by a dying Michael Jackson. :roll:
So he made calls left and right while MJ was "dying"? I thought there was no available phone to call an ambulance...Either this is a hoax, or Murray is an irresponsible ass who wasn't doing his job well. I hope its all a hoax...
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OMG. THis doc is a freaking moron! HOw could you say u never gave MJ anything that could kill him! How! Why did he not call 911 right away! Guys and they said Murray warned MJ about the drug and MJ still insisted on getting it KNOWING about its risks. :cry: :cry: It is making me wonder did MJ care? DId MJ want to die I am sorry I am just sad. Toxicology shows waaaay more propogol than Murray claimed to have given him! MURRAY SHOULD FRIE LIKE A SCRAMBLED EGG! :cry: :cry:
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i wonder if those phone calls are going to be on youtube now...beacuse i will most def would want to hear them..
anything else going on? I dont own tv
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they are now heading into discussing Dr Murray...they have 3 of his so-called patients. Does anyone else thing all 3 of them look like made-up characters? We'll see where this leads.... :?
Yeah! I was thinking as I watched with my mom, that these 3 "patients" were possibly actors. :?:
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they are now heading into discussing Dr Murray...they have 3 of his so-called patients. Does anyone else thing all 3 of them look like made-up characters? We'll see where this leads.... :?
YES!!!
All 3 look like actors I feel like I've seen before, but can't place where. :?
They were playing phone calls by Murray and said he sounded too calm to be standing by a dying Michael Jackson. :roll:
Did you guys catch that they said that Dr. Murray was IN THE AMBULANCE?
If that's the case then
1)how did he leave? It was supposedly pandemonium outside. He wasn't driving in his own car. How would he catch a cab and where to?
2)With all the news trucks supposed to be outside filming, how did no one catch him leaving by accident? (or catch the family arriving by accident - but that's another thread)
3)Ambulances aren't that big. Where is he in the ambulance photo?
Either this is a hoax, or Murray is an irresponsible ass who wasn't doing his job well. I hope its all a hoax...
I hope so too.
But after them saying that they obtained the toxicology reports(how the "f" do they have it?!) and that their "expert" said that the amount that was supposed to be in MJ's body was WAY more than the 25mg Murray said he administered gives me another thought:
Let's say all this is real.
And Murray was an a**hole who gave MJ all these meds and 25mg of Propofol.
Murray also said he was "in the wrong place at the wrong time."
It's possible he didn't mean in the room with Mike.
It meant out of the room while someone else gave Mike additional Propofol...
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OMG. THis doc is a freaking moron! HOw could you say u never gave MJ anything that could kill him! How! Why did he not call 911 right away! Guys and they said Murray warned MJ about the drug and MJ still insisted on getting it KNOWING about its risks. :cry: :cry: It is making me wonder did MJ care? DId MJ want to die I am sorry I am just sad. Toxicology shows waaaay more propogol than Murray claimed to have given him! MURRAY SHOULD FRIE LIKE A SCRAMBLED EGG! :cry: :cry:
how much propofol? this is making me believe he was actually murdered. how did they get the toxicology reports when the only people who have them are the estate and the D.A???? Joe hasnt even seen the Toxi reports yet so thats not fair
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what channel is it, what time on pacific?
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Well, there reallywasn't anything new in this report, with the exception of the voicemail. Either the timeline is all wrong, or Murray is the coldest sun of a bitch on earth, or he just decided to make a few calls while Michael set the stage for his disappearance. Why else would he wait to call 911? Unless Michael was murdered, none of it makes any sense.
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6:00 p.m. Pacific time
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can someone please give me a HUGE SUMMARY on what showed tonight?! I dont watch tv anymore therefore i dont own cable so i wasnt able to watch this... it would be greatly appreciated because i only got bits and pieces and now im at a total loss :?
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On the message to patient "Bob", what is Murray talking about when he says he's going on an "overseas sabbatical"?
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Let's think about something else. NBC was the original network that air the Martin Bashir documentary that led to the charges against Michael.
So, I have 2 possible theories:
1) Michael has had very good publicity over the last month (especially at the Grammy's and his Heal the World song." Does NBC think it's necessary to do their own form of defense to remind all of us of how "crazy" and "eccentric" Michael was?
2) We know that Michael "planted" information. Most of the information is from Tamburelli's book and he even admits in the book he had very little personal contact with Michael. Most of it was from his other informants. So it this just another part of Michael's plan to make the media look stupid? Even they keep saying that it doesn't make sense. Someone indicated that every time we see Forest Lawn, the focus shifts. Maybe now it's the media's turn...thus, all of the postponements of the Murray surrender over the last 3 days. Every station has had to retract the announcement several times.
One other point about propofol...it does not give rest or sleep (REM). It merely "puts you out." So if Michael was suffering from insomnia, he would still be physically exhausted. The This Is It documentary clearly doesn't indicate that. I don't believe Michael was ever on propofol.
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On the message to patient "Bob", what is Murray talking about when he says he's going on an "overseas sabbatical"?
That would be him leaving to accompany MJ during his concert tour in LOndon
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just watched the show and just feel this is not all real,like those were actors..what if these 3 guys were paid,made murray look good and still "trust him" to help in his "defense",and murray is another actor.so these 3 guys and murray are in ties with tmz,all their BS reports on the court crap and the rest of the hoax foundation,also the LAPD and thats why they keep delaying the trial and murray wont "surrender" now and blah blah blah,maybe now with this segment these 3 guys r gonna be what "saves"murray....
But then again what if this show is trying to pin it all on murray,bc it sure seemed they were trying to convinct him,murray says he didnt give him that would kill him and this show is telling us there was twice as much propofol(not 100% sure)or alot more than should be given even in a hospital bc its like "russian roulette" everytime no matter the dose.and then the phone call where murray left a message talking and sounding too "calm" while at this time i believe michael was found on the floor by murray already,according to what they said tonight....but if he sounded too calm and its a big concern bc he has just found michael on the floor with a faint paulse than why is it no big deal and very strange that the 911 caller is not showing a little more emotion with a dying mj?the show seemed very strange after it got to these "patients",thats how i feel hope i made things understandable this is all just coming back to me and please remind me of anything else that was key ik i forgot some good parts
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If Dr Murray is real, he reminds me of a "Weak Sister", a term used for someone that is 1. A weak or undependable member of a group. 2. A person regarded as timid or indecisive. sissy, punk, pussy, wimp, weak
Dr Murray is the Doctor, if MJ was demanding drugs, its the Drs. responsibility to say NO MJ.
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Maybe this is the role actor Dr. Murray is portraying in the hoax, a "Weak Sister"?
As usual there is so much that dont add up.
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Too many things don't make sense. I think the three patients were actors, too, and Bob was chewing gum...remind us of anything. Dr. Murray supposedly told the LAPD he had given MJ propofol every night for six weeks. If that is true, then how was Dr. Murray still seeing patients in Las Vegas at all during those six weeks? He would have to fly to Vegas round trip every single day. It is possible to do that, but it costs about $250 per day and Dr. Murray claims he was never paid for his time with MJ. Things just absolutely do not add up. Just more and more confusion.
On the phone call made to Bob, his voice says "results of your ECG" but the screen showed the words "EECP." Results of an ECG are immediately available in a cardiologist's office or within 24 hours if done at an outside facility. EECP is a one-hour therapy done every day on a cardiac patient for chest pain over a several week period. Regardless of whether it was an ECG or EECP, how was Dr. Murray treating patients in Vegas when he was in LA every night for the last six weeks. There is also something strange about Bob saying "I don't want to believe it's true." Also, it is absolute bull-hockey that Dateline or anyone else has access to the toxicology results. One thing is for sure, there is a lot more going on than we know...a lot more....
I am still fully convinced that Michael is alive and I think some really big and really bad people are going down. Michael will be back! :D :D :D
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ok the phone calls...anything else crazy happen in the show
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Please correct me if I'm wrong on this,
I read somewhere propofol leaves the body & is untraceable in the blood/body shortly after the drip is turned off, unless there is very large amount given & in that case it would be murder, becuz the amount would have to be so great it would be deliberate to have it be traceable.
And if its murder & Dr. Murray was with him & admits to administering the propofol why the heck is he still practising medicine & no charges hve ben filed against him.
as usual things dont add up.
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Few things I noticed:
I have to agree with all of you, that the patients were actors. BOB looked extremely suspicious. Let's just say they were "low budget" actors for sure. :roll:
Murray left a message like that -as MJ was dying? Is he nuts? Or was he doing something else with his time b/c someone else was involved and hurting MJ. (Just a scenario- God forbid this really happened)
Michael Flatery ( Lord Of Dance) - when asked about dancing with Michael said something to the effect of he would never tell. ( Taking it to the grave - so to speak) Very interesting - that MJ would stay there and no one knew until now.
I believe that once again they are catching the public up on things they have forgotten. MJ was broke, a druggie and a nomad. WOW... ya wonder why the guy wanted to fake his death and get the HELL away from it all? The media does not GIVE up do they? WHAT NEW NEWS DID DATELINE EXACTLY COVER???
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I didn't get to see the show but what I have read sound to me like damage control people are beginning to question what really happen and now with the mess about Murray being arrested or not and turning himself in or not people are not buying this and what every is happen it not time so they throw this out to give the people something to look and to keep them quiet come on after 7 months of silence now we are overloaded with information and where was these patients 7 months ago
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ok so i take it i did a good decision not watching it? i guess after the grammys since MJ left such a positive message they had to put those horrible things back in peoples mind about MJ
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All I have to say is "WTF!!!" That was a very negative report! A real "downer" and why would they put this out there? They brought up every negative thing in his life. Nothing positive whatsoever. Is this the media getting back at Michael cause they know they have been "punked"? Is this "war of MJ vs. Media? :evil:
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I didn't get to see the show but what I have read sound to me like damage control people are beginning to question what really happen and now with the mess about Murray being arrested or not and turning himself in or not people are not buying this and what every is happen it not time so they throw this out to give the people something to look and to keep them quiet come on after 7 months of silence now we are overloaded with information and where was these patients 7 months ago
YOU ARE RIGHT!Why didn't anyone else interview these patients? This all truly looks like damage control - to clean up the Murray mess. I have a feeling that Murray won't be around to be arrested. He will either kill himself or flee. They are walking on eggshells with this guy. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS. They are so courteous and careful with him.....to the point that it's a joke. He won't be arrested - it's all part of the show.
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Few things I noticed:
I have to agree with all of you, that the patients were actors. BOB looked extremely suspicious. Let's just say they were "low budget" actors for sure. :roll:
Murray left a message like that -as MJ was dying? Is he nuts? Or was he doing something else with his time b/c someone else was involved and hurting MJ. (Just a scenario- God forbid this really happened)
Michael Flatery ( Lord Of Dance) - when asked about dancing with Michael said something to the effect of he would never tell. ( Taking it to the grave - so to speak) Very interesting - that MJ would stay there and no one knew until now. I believe that once again they are catching the public up on things they have forgotten. MJ was broke, a druggie and a nomad. WOW... ya wonder why the guy wanted to fake his death and get the HELL away from it all? The media does not GIVE up do they? WHAT NEW NEWS DID DATELINE EXACTLY COVER???
This is not news. It is well known that Michael stayed with Flatery.
There was nothing new on Dateline tonight. Nothing that we haven't already discussed in here.
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EBAY Shopper...it was mentioned that because Michael couldn't sleep at night he shopped a lot on EBAY. He even opened accounts under his staff's name and had stuff shipped to their addresses. According to the report they said he bought more than he could afford. Question - did they say who their source was that told them Michael shopped all night on EBAY and had multiple accounts under others' names, buying stuff he couldn't afford? I don't remember them giving any proof of someone seeing this happening. All it did was plant an image in the mind of the listener that could give you the impression of an eccentric, lonely, broke, sleepless person who was out of touch with the world. I somehow have trouble believing this. Did I miss something?
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Few things I noticed:
I have to agree with all of you, that the patients were actors. BOB looked extremely suspicious. Let's just say they were "low budget" actors for sure. :roll:
Murray left a message like that -as MJ was dying? Is he nuts? Or was he doing something else with his time b/c someone else was involved and hurting MJ. (Just a scenario- God forbid this really happened)
Michael Flatery ( Lord Of Dance) - when asked about dancing with Michael said something to the effect of he would never tell. ( Taking it to the grave - so to speak) Very interesting - that MJ would stay there and no one knew until now. I believe that once again they are catching the public up on things they have forgotten. MJ was broke, a druggie and a nomad. WOW... ya wonder why the guy wanted to fake his death and get the HELL away from it all? The media does not GIVE up do they? WHAT NEW NEWS DID DATELINE EXACTLY COVER???
This is not news. It is well known that Michael stayed with Flatery.
There was nothing new on Dateline tonight. Nothing that we haven't already discussed in here.
I loved the part where the reporter was trying to pry personal information out of Flatery regarding Michael's time with him and he said he'd take it to his grave. But then he said they were very sad to see Michael leave. I appreciated hearing that from Mr Flatery.
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I didn't get to see the show but what I have read sound to me like damage control people are beginning to question what really happen and now with the mess about Murray being arrested or not and turning himself in or not people are not buying this and what every is happen it not time so they throw this out to give the people something to look and to keep them quiet come on after 7 months of silence now we are overloaded with information and where was these patients 7 months ago
YOU ARE RIGHT!Why didn't anyone else interview these patients? This all truly looks like damage control - to clean up the Murray mess. I have a feeling that Murray won't be around to be arrested. He will either kill himself or flee. They are walking on eggshells with this guy. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS. They are so courteous and careful with him.....to the point that it's a joke. He won't be arrested - it's all part of the show.
I've never heard of a situation where the accused "bargains" with authorities on how he will be arrested or where. It's seems that he has the upper hand over authorities - at least right now. If this isn't a hoax I sure hope he doesn't receive any special treatment. Oh yeah - too late for that isn't it.
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Few things I noticed:
I have to agree with all of you, that the patients were actors. BOB looked extremely suspicious. Let's just say they were "low budget" actors for sure. :roll:
Murray left a message like that -as MJ was dying? Is he nuts? Or was he doing something else with his time b/c someone else was involved and hurting MJ. (Just a scenario- God forbid this really happened)
Michael Flatery ( Lord Of Dance) - when asked about dancing with Michael said something to the effect of he would never tell. ( Taking it to the grave - so to speak) Very interesting - that MJ would stay there and no one knew until now. I believe that once again they are catching the public up on things they have forgotten. MJ was broke, a druggie and a nomad. WOW... ya wonder why the guy wanted to fake his death and get the HELL away from it all? The media does not GIVE up do they? WHAT NEW NEWS DID DATELINE EXACTLY COVER???
This is not news. It is well known that Michael stayed with Flatery.
There was nothing new on Dateline tonight. Nothing that we haven't already discussed in here.
Yes! What I meant there was that now the DATELINE is uncovering it like it's all this top secret news. You know what I mean?
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I didn't get to see the show but what I have read sound to me like damage control people are beginning to question what really happen and now with the mess about Murray being arrested or not and turning himself in or not people are not buying this and what every is happen it not time so they throw this out to give the people something to look and to keep them quiet come on after 7 months of silence now we are overloaded with information and where was these patients 7 months ago
YOU ARE RIGHT!Why didn't anyone else interview these patients? This all truly looks like damage control - to clean up the Murray mess. I have a feeling that Murray won't be around to be arrested. He will either kill himself or flee. They are walking on eggshells with this guy. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS. They are so courteous and careful with him.....to the point that it's a joke. He won't be arrested - it's all part of the show.
I've never heard of a situation where the accused "bargains" with authorities on how he will be arrested or where. It's seems that he has the upper hand over authorities - at least right now. If this isn't a hoax I sure hope he doesn't receive any special treatment. Oh yeah - too late for that isn't it.
Anyone would be in prison by now. :roll:
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He even opened accounts under his staff's name and had stuff shipped to their addresses.
Sounds similar to the way the media says he had all these prescriptions placed in some of his staff's names. Those "patients" that claimed they wouldn't be alive today if it weren't for Murray...c'mon now :roll: Murray during that call to "Bob" when MJ, at that time, was in need of medical attention...the man was cool as a cucumber.
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OH yeah Moron I mean Murray said while in church (lord help him :evil: ) that he was at the wrong place at the wrong time! WTF :evil:
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I just watched the Dateline Special about the death investigation of Micheal Jackson. It was such a crock of crap! They opened with remarks about Conrad Murray flying in to Los Angeles to surrender to police. Then they flash to the famous Hollywood sign and say that this is the place where movies are made and no one knows how this script will end. I think that is a clue. They ripped Michael apart! At more point this jerk that wrote an unauthorized tell all book about Michael, says that if he wasn't Michael Jackson he would be one of those free loaders that crashes on you couch and you can't get rid of them! I was so mad! Micheal has worked hard all his life! He didn't make his living by writing LIES about others. I am glad that I watched it. I was able to poke wholes in everything. Also, they had three of Murray's so called patients on the show. One of them said that Murray left a voice mail for him the morning Michael died. What is he doing calling patients when he left his practice to care for Michael? He would have someone else on call for him. He wouldn't be taking calls from patients or returning their calls. He took a leave of absence from his practice!!
I feel that something very big is about to happen. I am praying that Michael will come back and make all of this right. If not then I pray he is happy and living a life of happiness and peace.
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At more point this jerk that wrote an unauthorized tell all book about Michael, says that if he wasn't Michael Jackson he would be one of those free loaders that crashes on you couch and you can't get rid of them! I was so mad!
That would be Tarabourelli and yeah, I know...that irritated me so much about what he said :x Correct me if I'm wrong but, I believe his words were "...like a pest that you can't get rid of". If you ask me, he sure had gotten rich offa "that pest" :x
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MJsSuperFlyPYT wrote: Those "patients" that claimed they wouldn't be alive today if it weren't for Murray...
Yeah, and Michael wouldn't be "dead" today if it weren't for Murray! :evil:
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MJsSuperFlyPYT wrote: Those "patients" that claimed they wouldn't be alive today if it weren't for Murray...
Yeah, and Michael wouldn't be "dead" today if it weren't for Murray! :evil:
:evil: Something about Murray gets on my nerves. :roll:
I don't know what it is, but i just get a bad vibe from that guy.
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MJsSuperFlyPYT wrote: Those "patients" that claimed they wouldn't be alive today if it weren't for Murray...
Yeah, and Michael wouldn't be "dead" today if it weren't for Murray! :evil:
Exactly! I couldn't stand how they were singing Murray's praises :x
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I found this in another thread. Credit goes to darkchild for posting this. Here is a link to the transcript of the show:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35259896/ns/dateline_nbc-newsmakers//
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I watched. I am seething!!
Randy Tarabourelli better not ever think about selling another book about MJ! I am going to bury every book of his I see on the shelves and behind the shelves so nobody can buy them!
First they make MJ out to be an eccentric drug addict with a Dr. that is capable and made the mistake of meeting MJ, then they start attacking the Dr. about what happened...sheesh my head is spinning.
I am still a believer, this is just a ripple. Unfortunately they brought a lot up that "non fan" people don't know and we do! They also brought up some mis-leading and false info too.
As I said I am seething.
I still have the faith, I am simmering MJ. I love you more! 8-)
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I'm MAD too, all lies or stupidities.
But I must tell you this it's too obvious ;) :
"That timeline begins with a dose of valium, also known as diazepam, at 1:30 a.m. - which didn't work. Then at 2 a.m., he gave Jackson an anxiety drug called lorazepam. But Jackson was still awake. At 3 a.m., a sedative called midazolam. Still nothing. At 5 a.m., more of the anxiety drug...then at 730 A.M., more of the sedative. "
-so the hours: 1:30 a.m. -2-3-5-7 and how they (Murray) say/s ? :1 sedativ, 1 anxiety drug, 1 sedative, 1 anxiety drug, 1 and one..... come on, this is to fool us. Then : MJ "still awake, .. still nothing" and between these hours let's say 3 to 5 a.m. or 5 to 7, if MJ was awake he could walk yes?, he went to bathroom, yes? and by the way what did MJ and DR.M discussed meanwhile?, it's plenty of time here between these hours and MJ was fresh because no drug put him to sleep.
Can't you see how false is all this??
"But Jackson still wasn't sleeping, and Murray said his famous patient was specifically asking for propofol. Some nine hours after Jackson first went to bed, at 10:40 a.m., Dr. Murray gave in, and administered 25 milligrams of Propofol --a fairly small dose-- to Jackson through an I.V. drip."
"some nine hours".... :shock: :o
SO AFTER 9 HOURS OF NO SLEEP :shock: :shock: and it's almost 11 o'clock a.m. MJ "asked" for propofol, Good Lord !! WHO CAN BELIEVE THIS ?? is 11 hours and MJ should have been at rehearsal at Staples at 14:00 a.m., so he would have had 3 hours to sleep MAXIMUM !!!, because he had to wash, dress etc, play with children....and then to be there at rehearsal, KO was waiting, the whole team waiting and some illusionists were waiting.
So we may say that MJ all he wished more was to sleep 2 and a half hours or 3 :lol: :lol: , NO WAY !!! We are not stupid! After 9 hours to go to bed to sleep from 11 a.m. until 13:00 a.m. is unbeliveable!!!.
"And that's not the only statement of Murray's that's being called into question. Investigators say Murray told them that shortly after he gave Jackson the Propofol, around 10:50 a.m., Murray left Jackson for about two minutes to go to the bathroom."
Murray left 2 minutes so I must understand when he gave to MJ all the other sedatives..MANYYYY, Murray did not leave him not for 1 min or a second ??? only when was Propofol "case" he had to leave for 2 minutes, this is a story for bedtime.
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Why is everyone so upset over Dateline and Murray if it's all FAKE???
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You are all great observers !
To start out their story with: , Jackson was already using a dangerous drug, and had only days to live. Fuck you Dateline.
The whole intention of the Dateline show was to show that MJ was a pill freak Dr shopping gypsy who played with some high place rich friends while taking advantage of and building up debt through false promises to them only to fall victim of his own irresponsibility. And during this time he dragged his poor children to and fro showing them a good time too.
They then built up Murray as the "victim" who happens to have 3 fantastic character witnesses thankful to be alive because of the great DR.
I think that their statement
"that this is the place where movies are made and no one knows how this script will end. thank you whomever pointed that out as a hoax clue.
I have always respected Deepak Chopra so to hear him say:
" When I probed into this, I found that he was getting medication from several sources and from then on we had an on/off relationship where he avoided people that were trying to help him, including his own family."
I found that very disturbing.
How many of you take anxiety medications or anti-depressants or have ever taken recreational drugs? It is not uncommon. In fact DRs are handing out drugs like candy and is why people are so dumbed down. MJ is not any different then the next guy. His objective was to get SLEEP. And I don't understand that if a person has chronic insomnia and MJ had plenty of DR visits, then why was he not on a program to help that. Pills are not the only answer to help with insomnia. He never looked beat or tired in any photos and especially not in videos or concerts.
Here's my last comment - a clue from another hoax site stated that Profofol was meant to tell us that it puts you to sleep for a short time, then you wake up.
If Murray left the room to pee without proper respiratory equipment on MJ, then he fucked up. I find it odd that there is no mention that MJ himself may have given himself more profofol while the DR left the room. I still believe in a hoax that has gone bad and now they are trying to fix it. It's the only way to explain the strangeness of what has happened.
Why did dateline not interview any of the household members present? No mention of where or who else was there that morning?
akiraka covered it well on the medications. It's bullshit.
This is a hoax or either a very badly executed murder. I vote for hoax.
xoxoxo
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Because others could read and believe as they believed so easily in the past all the Media BS. And I am upset because it's TIME FOR MEDIA TO SHUT UP, but I see that they continue.
And I also tried to explain in my last post related to all that hours and everything for anyone who may have doubts about that night and day.
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karmaknowstruth thanks ;) I liked your comment also, you showed exactly who was the target AGAIN in Dataline show and who victimized, anyway we are cleverer than they think ;)
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OH yeah Moron I mean Murray said while in church (lord help him :evil: ) that he was at the wrong place at the wrong time! WTF :evil:
waht a twxtwhen I was working i had to give out medication to patients and i checked double checked to make sure I did not make a mistake and if there was a problem i always cleared it with somebody higherup i would never have forgiven myself if i made a mistake so hello what about him !!
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I had a horrible thought last night if this is true i feel the doc might top himself then we will never know what is real or fake i just woke up last night with that thought on my mind but as somebody said what if it started out as a hoax and all went horrible wrong sorry a bad thought again.
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You are all great observers !
To start out their story with: , Jackson was already using a dangerous drug, and had only days to live. Fuck you Dateline. AMEN!!!! AGREED 1000000% FUCK HATERS
The whole intention of the Dateline show was to show that MJ was a pill freak Dr shopping gypsy who played with some high place rich friends while taking advantage of and building up debt through false promises to them only to fall victim of his own irresponsibility. And during this time he dragged his poor children to and fro showing them a good time too.
They then built up Murray as the "victim" who happens to have 3 fantastic character witnesses thankful to be alive because of the great DR.
I think that their statement
"that this is the place where movies are made and no one knows how this script will end. thank you whomever pointed that out as a hoax clue.
I have always respected Deepak Chopra so to hear him say:
" When I probed into this, I found that he was getting medication from several sources and from then on we had an on/off relationship where he avoided people that were trying to help him, including his own family."
I found that very disturbing.
How many of you take anxiety medications or anti-depressants or have ever taken recreational drugs? It is not uncommon. In fact DRs are handing out drugs like candy and is why people are so dumbed down. MJ is not any different then the next guy. His objective was to get SLEEP. And I don't understand that if a person has chronic insomnia and MJ had plenty of DR visits, then why was he not on a program to help that. Pills are not the only answer to help with insomnia. He never looked beat or tired in any photos and especially not in videos or concerts.
Here's my last comment - a clue from another hoax site stated that Profofol was meant to tell us that it puts you to sleep for a short time, then you wake up.
If Murray left the room to pee without proper respiratory equipment on MJ, then he fucked up. I find it odd that there is no mention that MJ himself may have given himself more profofol while the DR left the room. I still believe in a hoax that has gone bad and now they are trying to fix it. It's the only way to explain the strangeness of what has happened.
Why did dateline not interview any of the household members present? No mention of where or who else was there that morning?
akiraka covered it well on the medications. It's bullshit.
This is a hoax or either a very badly executed murder. I vote for hoax.
xoxoxo
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oh @karma i commented on your first paragraph all in caps!!! it didnt show up well lol :D
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I watched. I am seething!!
Randy Tarabourelli better not ever think about selling another book about MJ! I am going to bury every book of his I see on the shelves and behind the shelves so nobody can buy them!
First they make MJ out to be an eccentric drug addict with a Dr. that is capable and made the mistake of meeting MJ, then they start attacking the Dr. about what happened...sheesh my head is spinning.
I am still a believer, this is just a ripple. Unfortunately they brought a lot up that "non fan" people don't know and we do! They also brought up some mis-leading and false info too.
As I said I am seething.
I still have the faith, I am simmering MJ. I love you more! 8-)
I don't think they mentioned that "Dr. Murrary" was hired by AEG.
I also think they put MIchael (yet again....MEDIA :evil: ) in a bad light.
I do believe he was somewhat of a lost soul for a while.
And I don't think he was a man without problems.
But what they didn't report on was how brilliant he truly is. I guess that wasn't what the story was about... but still.
They clearly missed a BIG portion of the story.
I was angry, a bit sad, but also had a chuckle because they just don't know.
Yes, Michael, we love you more.
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Thanks mirandacnc, yes you did point out the opening dateline statement of how MJ was on a pill march to death with only days to live. We all ditto that with hopefully the same response >>>> FUCK YOU DATELINE.
Okay, how about we write to Dateline and complain, put them thru the ringer, ask why they took that angle and how (me personally) some of you I hope will say we will never watch their program again. Their truth is way too selective and once again bashed a good person for all to see. And how convienent just before Murray's trial. This my friends is their way to set Michael up to look as though he had death coming - his own fault and lets the DR off the hook in public eyes. This program, it's timing on the air is not a coincidence by the way. It was shown to intentionally set the mood (brainwash, mind control )for whomever is picked for the jury. This is outrageous :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
Mo, Souza and all here. Can we put our heads together for a way to find the best way to actually talk to one of the Jacksons or the kids or someone to get the truth, the left out information, if MJ is alive or not? We need to find out if this really is a hoax. If it is not then we the people, the public fans who have supported MJ and financed his estate over the years and continue to finance his estate and those who benefit from the profits, we deserve answers. And if in fact this was homicide, murder or neglect then we deserve to know the truth.
If I had a little pocket change I would be in LA with my video camera and a crew to seek the truth. Fuck the TMZ circus rats. I am so tired of being lied to. I am so tired of the cruel media who wreck people's lives with lies to pad their bank account.
Anyone agree?
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can someone please give me a HUGE SUMMARY on what showed tonight?! I dont watch tv anymore therefore i dont own cable so i wasnt able to watch this... it would be greatly appreciated because i only got bits and pieces and now im at a total loss :?
Here's the link to Datelines page. I'd notice that the video will not be online.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35259896/ns/dateline_nbc-newsmakers/
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Heres a clip from the spezial. With the Murray-phonecall
http://www.celebritymound.com/video-the ... ght-at-98c (http://www.celebritymound.com/video-the-secret-life-of-michael-jackson-on-dateline-tonight-at-98c/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=video-the-secret-life-of-michael-jackson-on-dateline-tonight-at-98c)
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Here is the part that really got me to thinking WTF??
First the voicemail message from Murray to Bob and also the toxicology report that states there was much more propofol in Michaels system, then what Murray says he administered. Tell me how the hell can they release these things publically, when both of those things should be used as "evidence", when Murray goes to trial?? :shock: I mean seriously folks, this is what comfirmed to me that the whole thing was part of the "HOAX!" Think about it...both of these things they revealed would have been great evidence for the prosecution, if it was ever to go to trial, because they "prove" that Murray didn't do what he said he did during this whole fiasco! I take comfort in this. What do you think??
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The whole Dateline episode showed how Michael "escaped" - but came back to what he didn't need to come back to. The temptation and the drugs. It's all truly a story on Doctor shopping and how bad it is. The show carried the message. Your observations prove that!
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karmaknowstruth when I read here that link I was so nervous I wrote this to J brothers. I can't stand anymore to attack MJ with their lies and all stuff, enough it's enough! I'm not living in USA, but they must know for sure that we are from all around the world, and we are many, united for MJ so pay attention to all media MJ is NOT ALONE!!!
I couldn't watch Dateline tonight,found out they put MJ in negative light.Media just shut up! Do they want a WAR with MJ Fans?
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Did anyone else catch the part of Dateline when they spoke about the blue respiratory bag left at the scene. (meaning where they tried to revive Michael) They said there was no crash cart no cardiac monitors etc. Only a pulse ox monitor. They said it was not clear if the blue bag belonged to paramedics or Dr. Murray. This was a red flag to me. When an ambulance makes a run they always account for all supplies afterward. They have to account for ALL supplies. This would/could be an important piece of evidence if this is true. So at this point they are saying the LAFD doesn't know if they left it behind or not. Well in such a high profile case doesn't it seem weird that they wouldn't dot every i and cross every t? Just a thought.
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I clearly missed something.
Can somebody please fill me in, in 1 sentence (or 2 LOL)? I have a big headache so I can not read all the posts. :oops:
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Did anyone else catch the part of Dateline when they spoke about the blue respiratory bag left at the scene. (meaning where they tried to revive Michael) They said there was no crash cart no cardiac monitors etc. Only a pulse ox monitor. They said it was not clear if the blue bag belonged to paramedics or Dr. Murray. This was a red flag to me. When an ambulance makes a run they always account for all supplies afterward. They have to account for ALL supplies. This would/could be an important piece of evidence if this is true. So at this point they are saying the LAFD doesn't know if they left it behind or not. Well in such a high profile case doesn't it seem weird that they wouldn't dot every i and cross every t? Just a thought.
Yeah, that makes sense....
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I watched this documentary in shock! It was along the same lines as the Martin Bashir Documentary with different accusations. According to them, he's a homeless, freeloader who takes advantage of friends, not stable with his children and a drug addict.
Why is it so important for them to belittle him constantly on national tv. Its not right! My question is who's behind this negative documentary????
Also, they said something that stayed on my mind. (Either Dr. Murray was on the phone away from the bedroom for approx 45 mins., Or he was sitting there watching Michael the entire time) :shock: :?: :?:
I would love to know who was behind this documentary :?:
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I had a horrible thought last night if this is true i feel the doc might top himself then we will never know what is real or fake i just woke up last night with that thought on my mind but as somebody said what if it started out as a hoax and all went horrible wrong sorry a bad thought again.
I have a feeling about that too.. all the pictures we have seen of Murray have been of him looking very sad and downcast.
It wouldnt surprise me if this happened.
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I know the media has attacked Michael terribly through the years. But this whole media culture as of recent years is all about NEGATIVE stories! Those are what make the biggest headlines now and I truly believe that's why this dateline mess was skewed to put Michael in as bad of a light as possible - it's the standard operations procedure. It's not just MJ, but it's like all celebrities/public figures. They love to make you look like a complete fool so they can laugh at you and ridicule you. This is wickedness. It's really like saying "yeah you're a star and you've got mega talent and loads of money BUT I'm going to tear you down as much as possible so I can feel better about my pathetic life".
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This show was pretty lame compared to what dateline usually does.it was boring with the same old out of control, trouble making,mooching,broke,depressed,drug addict michael jackson theme.My hopes were not brought down though.The WHOLE episode made me go "WTF?" and continuosly question if this was reality.They talked about how he wanted 'normalcy' and 'to get away from the limelight' but then he goes out SUPPOSEDLY undercover.hmm so would you really want to dress in something that would make people stare?The "hey did you see michael jackson in pyjamas?" line made me laugh.I hate it when these kind of shows claim that they have some new controversial info but they only dedicate 15 minutes of the whole to it,with the rest being old crap.my head is actually starting to hurt from the confusing and contradicting elements.
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basically this show was just to DEFEND murray stating that Michael ...you know what i cant even finish that damn sentence!!! i didnt watch it...and this is why i dont watch tv!!!! im going to go send those people an email!!! i am tired of being nice!! Michael how did you keep your cool so well?!?!?
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It was an extremely unflattering article you can go to the poll at MJJfanclub site and vote your displeasure I say we all write Dateline a letter why aren't they reporting the Conspiracy surrounding the trial of MJ ? why aren't they reporting his humanitarian work ,Why don't they talk about how corrupt the LAPD <Tom Sneddon and the DA office are criminals ,not MIchael .Why wasn't Aphrodite Jones or that other lady that wrote a book about MJ''s first accusation where she was the secretary of the lawyer that was trying to extort money from MIcheal and she heard them preparing to extort money from MIcheal . Why wasn't this info brought to light ? More proof that all the media not just tabloid media ,just love to hate on MIchael . This shit has got to stop ! Call ,email ,or write Dateline and ask them what their problem is ! Tell them your not going to watch their stupid ,Lying , BIASED program
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The SECRET Life Of Michael Jackson? ....what they told us was no secret because the media already made up all that BS!... Whats been kept secret was how much he has actually done for the world! And yet it still continues to remain a secret. Nothing in that documentary that i have read seemed good at all and it was just another punch in the gut for MJ to try to get to his fans... it BS and i am furious with it all!! SECRET my A$$
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It was an extremely unflattering article you can go to the poll at MJJfanclub site and vote your displeasure I say we all write Dateline a letter why aren't they reporting the Conspiracy surrounding the trial of MJ ? why aren't they reporting his humanitarian work ,Why don't they talk about how corrupt the LAPD <Tom Sneddon and the DA office are criminals ,not MIchael .Why wasn't Aphrodite Jones or that other lady that wrote a book about MJ''s first accusation where she was the secretary of the lawyer that was trying to extort money from MIcheal and she heard them preparing to extort money from MIcheal . Why wasn't this info brought to light ? More proof that all the media not just tabloid media ,just love to hate on MIchael . This shit has got to stop ! Call ,email ,or write Dateline and ask them what their problem is ! Tell them your not going to watch their stupid ,Lying , BIASED program
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Just gave Dateline my opinion of their negative story and misleading title.
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I missed it :( . Where can I watch it online?