Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => The Death Certificate, The Autopsy Report & The Will => After June 25, 2009 => The Coroner and Autopsy Report => Topic started by: QuirkyDiana on February 05, 2010, 08:07:20 PM
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Can we please have a section where we can discuss MJ's health and related medical issues.
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here is a screen shot of his pants from behind...sorry ladies, his bum was gone! Look at the pins! They had to pin his pants in! He was in NO SHAPE to perform...give me a break Kenney Ortega!
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28 inch waist? Yeh, lets go sign him up for 50 freakin shows!
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Yes he was thin but I don't think he was that skinny. During the Thriller era and Dangerous era he was that thin. Let's not forget he is dancer and he was rehearsing. It's normal for a dancer to loose weight. I don't know one single dancer who is not loosing weight when he is dancing or rehearsing. Michael was a in good shape. In TII, we saw a MJ in good shape. If he wasn't in good shape, no way he will able to dance like that!!! I know what I'm talking about I'm a dancer too and to dance u need to be in a good shape.
By the way, when you are skinny it doesn't mean u are sick or in a bad shape. I have a friend who is skinnier than Michael (we can almost see the shape of her bones) and she is in better shape than me :)
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Yes he was thin but I don't think he was that skinny. During the Thriller era and Dangerous era he was that thin. Let's not forget he is dancer and he was rehearsing. It's normal for a dancer to loose weight. I don't know one single dancer who is not loosing weight when he is dancing or rehearsing. Michael was a in good shape. In TII, we saw a MJ in good shape. If he wasn't in good shape, no way he will able to dance like that!!! I know what I'm talking about I'm a dancer too and to dance u need to be in a good shape.
By the way, when you are skinny it doesn't mean u are sick or in a bad shape. I have a friend who is skinnier than Michael (we can almost see the shape of her bones) and she is in better shape than me :)
MJ told fans himself that was caught on tape that he was upset about 50 concerts and that he was one man and that he would need to put on some weight. the footage is now gone! AEG took it down! He was not healthy...he WAS too thin and he said so himself...Now all there is is written transcript of what he said on the net.
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being that thin at 20 is different than being that thin at 50! Even THINNER at 50, especially before he was a nice healthy 32 inch waist during dangerous. If he was that small in TII, how is he going to have room to loose weight from all the shows he was going to do?
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Yes he was thin but I don't think he was that skinny. During the Thriller era and Dangerous era he was that thin. Let's not forget he is dancer and he was rehearsing. It's normal for a dancer to loose weight. I don't know one single dancer who is not loosing weight when he is dancing or rehearsing. Michael was a in good shape. In TII, we saw a MJ in good shape. If he wasn't in good shape, no way he will able to dance like that!!! I know what I'm talking about I'm a dancer too and to dance u need to be in a good shape.
By the way, when you are skinny it doesn't mean u are sick or in a bad shape. I have a friend who is skinnier than Michael (we can almost see the shape of her bones) and she is in better shape than me :)
MJ told fans himself that was caught on tape that he was upset about 50 concerts and that he was one man and that he would need to put on some weight. the footage is now gone! AEG took it down! He was not healthy...he WAS too thin and he said so himself...Now all there is is written transcript of what he said on the net.
Sorry but to dance like he was dancing in TII he was healthy!!!!!!! You need a lot of energy to dance the way he was dancing.
yeah yeah he said he was too thin but this not come from his mouth! This came from the followers mouth. I don't have any respect about these followers sorry.
Well it's your opinion and u won't change mine. I'm a dancer too and I know u need a lot of energy to dance. I lost a lot of weight while I was dancing. So no way Michael was in bad shape.
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Yes he was thin but I don't think he was that skinny. During the Thriller era and Dangerous era he was that thin. Let's not forget he is dancer and he was rehearsing. It's normal for a dancer to loose weight. I don't know one single dancer who is not loosing weight when he is dancing or rehearsing. Michael was a in good shape. In TII, we saw a MJ in good shape. If he wasn't in good shape, no way he will able to dance like that!!! I know what I'm talking about I'm a dancer too and to dance u need to be in a good shape.
By the way, when you are skinny it doesn't mean u are sick or in a bad shape. I have a friend who is skinnier than Michael (we can almost see the shape of her bones) and she is in better shape than me :)
MJ told fans himself that was caught on tape that he was upset about 50 concerts and that he was one man and that he would need to put on some weight. the footage is now gone! AEG took it down! He was not healthy...he WAS too thin and he said so himself...Now all there is is written transcript of what he said on the net.
Sorry but to dance like he was dancing in TII he was healthy!!!!!!! You need a lot of energy to dance the way he was dancing.
yeah yeah he said he was too thin but this not come from his mouth! This came from the followers mouth. I don't have any respect about these followers sorry.
Well it's your opinion and u won't change mine. I'm a dancer too and I know u need a lot of energy to dance. I lost a lot of weight while I was dancing. So no way Michael was in bad shape.
I don't quote followers! I saw that footage myself and I made a video about it! Did you know he had oxygen tanks off stage that he used often? Show me in TII one rehearsal of a dance number that he completes all the way through? They are bits and pieces put together from various days! Kenny Ortega said himself he was force feeding MJ, cutting his chicken and feeding it to him. It is one thing to dance in bursts, it's the SUSTAINED energy he needed that he did not have, he didn't have the STAMINA and Mr. Increddible Hulk himself said that (his personal trainer) He said MJ couldn't lift a 2 pound weight! Forget about weight, where is a man who is NOT sleeping, going to get energy to perform? How is that healthy? Here is my video[youtube:14bick7z]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6I1LuwHeSc[/youtube:14bick7z]
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Yes he was thin but I don't think he was that skinny. During the Thriller era and Dangerous era he was that thin. Let's not forget he is dancer and he was rehearsing. It's normal for a dancer to loose weight. I don't know one single dancer who is not loosing weight when he is dancing or rehearsing. Michael was a in good shape. In TII, we saw a MJ in good shape. If he wasn't in good shape, no way he will able to dance like that!!! I know what I'm talking about I'm a dancer too and to dance u need to be in a good shape.
By the way, when you are skinny it doesn't mean u are sick or in a bad shape. I have a friend who is skinnier than Michael (we can almost see the shape of her bones) and she is in better shape than me :)
MJ told fans himself that was caught on tape that he was upset about 50 concerts and that he was one man and that he would need to put on some weight. the footage is now gone! AEG took it down! He was not healthy...he WAS too thin and he said so himself...Now all there is is written transcript of what he said on the net.
Sorry but to dance like he was dancing in TII he was healthy!!!!!!! You need a lot of energy to dance the way he was dancing.
yeah yeah he said he was too thin but this not come from his mouth! This came from the followers mouth. I don't have any respect about these followers sorry.
Well it's your opinion and u won't change mine. I'm a dancer too and I know u need a lot of energy to dance. I lost a lot of weight while I was dancing. So no way Michael was in bad shape.
I don't quote followers! I saw that footage myself and I made a video about it! Did you know he had oxygen tanks off stage that he used often? Show me in TII one rehearsal of a dance number that he completes all the way through? They are bits and pieces put together from various days! Kenny Ortega said himself he was force feeding MJ, cutting his chicken and feeding it to him. It is one thing to dance in bursts, it's the SUSTAINED energy he needed that he did not have, he didn't have the STAMINA and Mr. Increddible Hulk himself said that (his personal trainer) He said MJ couldn't lift a 2 pound weight! Forget about weight, where is a man who is NOT sleeping, going to get energy to perform? How is that healthy? Here is my video[youtube:3etcwf3s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6I1LuwHeSc[/youtube:3etcwf3s]
Oh God... :roll: I just said my opinion and no one and nothing will change it. I know what I saw too. About KO who was force feeding Michael, when Michael was dancing and working on something he was forgetting to eat because he was too much into it. I still think Michael was healthy. Like I said I'm a dancer too and I know dancing make loose weight a lot. I don't know one single dancer who is not thin while he is rehearsing.
About the oxygen tanks, to me it doesn't mean MJ was not healthy because Celine Dion use it too. I think it help her to sing better or something like that (it's not from a tabloid it's from her own mouth). About the trainer, it's not he wasn't able to lift 2 pound weight, it's because he didn't want to lift big weight because he didn't want big arms, that's all.
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dancing with Lupus as well? He was in the midst of a flair up, he put off so many rehersals and only did them when they physically came to his house and escorted him to them. MJ is quoted as saying he could never tour again and that it would kill him (health reasons)...looks like it did.
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dancing with Lupus as well?
Yes u can dance with Lupus. He had discoid lupus. It's not a kind of lupus u can die from. It's just attacking the skin.
He was in the midst of a flair up, he put off so many rehersals and only did them when they physically came to his house and escorted him to them.
This rumor came from Karen Faye and TINI. So I will take it with a grain of salt, or I really doubt about it. But he wasn't at the rehearsals all the time. He was rehearsing at home.
MJ is quoted as saying he could never tour again and that it would kill him (health reasons)...looks like it did.
Do you have a video about it? I doubt a tour will kill him even for health reasons. From what I heard it was just another dumb rumor about him. I never heard it from his mouth.
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Michael Jackson had Systemic Lupus Erythematosus. It has been wrongly reported that it was discoid due to reports that lesions were found on his head after the pepsi burn. Systemic Lupus also has the mylar rash (seen in 80's photos of himself), lesions, vitaligo and hair loss with the added benefits of joint pain and organ damage...in his case, his lungs. If you believe the autopsy report, it mirrors these symptoms of systemic lupus, in bold...
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/lupus_systemic_lupus_erythematosus/page3_em.htm
Lungs: More than 50% of people with lupus have some sort of lung disease. Inflammation of the lining of the lung (pleurisy) is the most common problem. This can lead to chest pain and shortness of breath and can be confused with blood clots in the lung or lung infection (pneumonia). Collections of water in the space between the lung and the chest wall occur as well (called pleural effusions). Pneumonia can occur in lupus patients who are taking immunosuppressive medications.
•Skin and hair: The skin is involved in more than 90% of people with lupus. Lupus skin disease is also referred to as cutaneous lupus. Skin symptoms are more common in whites than in African Americans. While the classic lupus rash is a redness on the cheeks (malar blush) often brought on by sun exposure, many different types of rashes can be seen in SLE. Discoid lupus with the red skin patches on the skin and scaliness is a special characteristic rash that can lead to scarring. It usually occurs on the face and scalp and can lead to loss of scalp hair (alopecia). It is more common in African Americans with lupus. Occasionally, discoid lupus can occur as an isolated skin condition without systemic disease. Hair loss can occur with flares of SLE even without skin rashes in the scalp. In this situation, the hair regrows after the flare is treated. Hair loss can also occur with immunosuppressive medications.
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here is a screen shot of his pants from behind...sorry ladies, his bum was gone! Look at the pins! They had to pin his pants in! He was in NO SHAPE to perform...give me a break Kenney Ortega!
NOOO OH FOR THE LOVE OF BOOTY NOOOOO NOT THE BOOOTYYY :( IT WAS SO ...SO .... BOOTYLICIOUS :( IMA MISS HIS BOOTY ..... SIGHHH.
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here is a screen shot of his pants from behind...sorry ladies, his bum was gone! Look at the pins! They had to pin his pants in! He was in NO SHAPE to perform...give me a break Kenney Ortega!
My dad is a size 28 and he's 64. He's healthy. He's always been thin. Though MJ did lose weight, I chose to believe in the TII that he was healthy and fine... Im not sure about doing 50 shows, but as they said it wasn't like the shows were going to be one right after the other.
As for the pins in the pants, it's obvious that they were hemming them for height, not because he had no ass (and yah, he was thin) you can see in that video that the pants were way too long and elephant skinned around his feet and ankles. My cousin is a tailor and I have seen her pin pants above the ass exactly in this photo.
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Yes he was thin but I don't think he was that skinny. During the Thriller era and Dangerous era he was that thin. Let's not forget he is dancer and he was rehearsing. It's normal for a dancer to loose weight. I don't know one single dancer who is not loosing weight when he is dancing or rehearsing. Michael was a in good shape. In TII, we saw a MJ in good shape. If he wasn't in good shape, no way he will able to dance like that!!! I know what I'm talking about I'm a dancer too and to dance u need to be in a good shape.
By the way, when you are skinny it doesn't mean u are sick or in a bad shape. I have a friend who is skinnier than Michael (we can almost see the shape of her bones) and she is in better shape than me :)
MJ told fans himself that was caught on tape that he was upset about 50 concerts and that he was one man and that he would need to put on some weight. the footage is now gone! AEG took it down! He was not healthy...he WAS too thin and he said so himself...Now all there is is written transcript of what he said on the net.
Sorry but to dance like he was dancing in TII he was healthy!!!!!!! You need a lot of energy to dance the way he was dancing.
yeah yeah he said he was too thin but this not come from his mouth! This came from the followers mouth. I don't have any respect about these followers sorry.
Well it's your opinion and u won't change mine. I'm a dancer too and I know u need a lot of energy to dance. I lost a lot of weight while I was dancing. So no way Michael was in bad shape.
I don't quote followers! I saw that footage myself and I made a video about it! Did you know he had oxygen tanks off stage that he used often? Show me in TII one rehearsal of a dance number that he completes all the way through? They are bits and pieces put together from various days! Kenny Ortega said himself he was force feeding MJ, cutting his chicken and feeding it to him. It is one thing to dance in bursts, it's the SUSTAINED energy he needed that he did not have, he didn't have the STAMINA and Mr. Increddible Hulk himself said that (his personal trainer) He said MJ couldn't lift a 2 pound weight! Forget about weight, where is a man who is NOT sleeping, going to get energy to perform? How is that healthy? Here is my video[youtube:1t8hm50b]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6I1LuwHeSc[/youtube:1t8hm50b]
Oh God... :roll: I just said my opinion and no one and nothing will change it. I know what I saw too. About KO who was force feeding Michael, when Michael was dancing and working on something he was forgetting to eat because he was too much into it. I still think Michael was healthy. Like I said I'm a dancer too and I know dancing make loose weight a lot. I don't know one single dancer who is not thin while he is rehearsing.
About the oxygen tanks, to me it doesn't mean MJ was not healthy because Celine Dion use it too. I think it help her to sing better or something like that (it's not from a tabloid it's from her own mouth). About the trainer, it's not he wasn't able to lift 2 pound weight, it's because he didn't want to lift big weight because he didn't want big arms, that's all.
yah, MJ said he didn't want to build muscle... just get in shape.... you know.... grease the gears.
hee hee.
gears.
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Yes he was thin but I don't think he was that skinny. During the Thriller era and Dangerous era he was that thin. Let's not forget he is dancer and he was rehearsing. It's normal for a dancer to loose weight. I don't know one single dancer who is not loosing weight when he is dancing or rehearsing. Michael was a in good shape. In TII, we saw a MJ in good shape. If he wasn't in good shape, no way he will able to dance like that!!! I know what I'm talking about I'm a dancer too and to dance u need to be in a good shape.
By the way, when you are skinny it doesn't mean u are sick or in a bad shape. I have a friend who is skinnier than Michael (we can almost see the shape of her bones) and she is in better shape than me :)
MJ told fans himself that was caught on tape that he was upset about 50 concerts and that he was one man and that he would need to put on some weight. the footage is now gone! AEG took it down! He was not healthy...he WAS too thin and he said so himself...Now all there is is written transcript of what he said on the net.
Sorry but to dance like he was dancing in TII he was healthy!!!!!!! You need a lot of energy to dance the way he was dancing.
yeah yeah he said he was too thin but this not come from his mouth! This came from the followers mouth. I don't have any respect about these followers sorry.
Well it's your opinion and u won't change mine. I'm a dancer too and I know u need a lot of energy to dance. I lost a lot of weight while I was dancing. So no way Michael was in bad shape.
I don't quote followers! I saw that footage myself and I made a video about it! Did you know he had oxygen tanks off stage that he used often? Show me in TII one rehearsal of a dance number that he completes all the way through? They are bits and pieces put together from various days! Kenny Ortega said himself he was force feeding MJ, cutting his chicken and feeding it to him. It is one thing to dance in bursts, it's the SUSTAINED energy he needed that he did not have, he didn't have the STAMINA and Mr. Increddible Hulk himself said that (his personal trainer) He said MJ couldn't lift a 2 pound weight! Forget about weight, where is a man who is NOT sleeping, going to get energy to perform? How is that healthy? Here is my video[youtube:3933xpe6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6I1LuwHeSc[/youtube:3933xpe6]
Oh God... :roll: I just said my opinion and no one and nothing will change it. I know what I saw too. About KO who was force feeding Michael, when Michael was dancing and working on something he was forgetting to eat because he was too much into it. I still think Michael was healthy. Like I said I'm a dancer too and I know dancing make loose weight a lot. I don't know one single dancer who is not thin while he is rehearsing.
About the oxygen tanks, to me it doesn't mean MJ was not healthy because Celine Dion use it too. I think it help her to sing better or something like that (it's not from a tabloid it's from her own mouth). About the trainer, it's not he wasn't able to lift 2 pound weight, it's because he didn't want to lift big weight because he didn't want big arms, that's all.
yah, MJ said he didn't want to build muscle... just get in shape.... you know.... grease the gears.
hee hee.
gears.
oh really? This is what he said BEFORE he decided to change his story. Look at 4:20....he starts to say 20 years ago... I think he was going to say the weights would be nothing for MJ.... Wonder why he decided to change his story later? Maybe AEG got to him? I'm not talking out of my a@#.
[youtube:3933xpe6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-BuDLw5I1w&feature=related[/youtube:3933xpe6]
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Michael Jackson had Systemic Lupus Erythematosus. It has been wrongly reported that it was discoid due to reports that lesions were found on his head after the pepsi burn. Systemic Lupus also has the mylar rash (seen in 80's photos of himself), lesions, vitaligo and hair loss with the added benefits of joint pain and organ damage...in his case, his lungs. If you believe the autopsy report, it mirrors these symptoms of systemic lupus, in bold...
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/lupus_systemic_lupus_erythematosus/page3_em.htm
Lungs: More than 50% of people with lupus have some sort of lung disease. Inflammation of the lining of the lung (pleurisy) is the most common problem. This can lead to chest pain and shortness of breath and can be confused with blood clots in the lung or lung infection (pneumonia). Collections of water in the space between the lung and the chest wall occur as well (called pleural effusions). Pneumonia can occur in lupus patients who are taking immunosuppressive medications.
•Skin and hair: The skin is involved in more than 90% of people with lupus. Lupus skin disease is also referred to as cutaneous lupus. Skin symptoms are more common in whites than in African Americans. While the classic lupus rash is a redness on the cheeks (malar blush) often brought on by sun exposure, many different types of rashes can be seen in SLE. Discoid lupus with the red skin patches on the skin and scaliness is a special characteristic rash that can lead to scarring. It usually occurs on the face and scalp and can lead to loss of scalp hair (alopecia). It is more common in African Americans with lupus. Occasionally, discoid lupus can occur as an isolated skin condition without systemic disease. Hair loss can occur with flares of SLE even without skin rashes in the scalp. In this situation, the hair regrows after the flare is treated. Hair loss can also occur with immunosuppressive medications.
MJ doesn't have systemic lupus, he has DISCOID lupus. The doctor who confirmed that was right. If it was systemic lupus, he would have reach the age of 30- 36 years old. About his lungs it could be a bronchitis but anyway it was stated that the autopsy reports were both false. Vitiligo is not a symptom of lupus.
So please let's not start rumor ok? There is enough of the tabloid trash...
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As for the pins in the pants, it's obvious that they were hemming them for height, not because he had no ass (and yah, he was thin) you can see in that video that the pants were way too long and elephant skinned around his feet and ankles. My cousin is a tailor and I have seen her pin pants above the ass exactly in this photo.
yes, I always pin my bum when my hem is to long...as well as all along the outside of my thigh too, just like the picture.(they are pinning the bum to take up extra fabric from lack of bum tissue and taking in the thigh due to decreased mass from the first time they measured him) It's obvious from these two pictures these pants were too big. I guess he lost a little since they first measured him....the pants you are talking about, that are too long, are the mock ups, they make the costumes first out of a muslin fabric. Once the fit is right, they use the muslin as a patern, take it apart and use it to cut on the real fabric...that is why they are all white cotton. The pants that are pinned in the bum are the finished product...the shiny pants.
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oh, and the hem is fine.
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28 inch waist? Yeh, lets go sign him up for 50 freakin shows!
Now, hold up a minute. My son has a 28 inch waist and he's in excellent health. My son is about the same height and is thin but that's because of his profession which is very physical. He's always been thin and so has Michael. Look at some of his early pictures before the Pepsi commercial. He was very thin at that time too. By the way - where did the picture come from?
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Yes he was thin but I don't think he was that skinny. During the Thriller era and Dangerous era he was that thin. Let's not forget he is dancer and he was rehearsing. It's normal for a dancer to loose weight. I don't know one single dancer who is not loosing weight when he is dancing or rehearsing. Michael was a in good shape. In TII, we saw a MJ in good shape. If he wasn't in good shape, no way he will able to dance like that!!! I know what I'm talking about I'm a dancer too and to dance u need to be in a good shape.
By the way, when you are skinny it doesn't mean u are sick or in a bad shape. I have a friend who is skinnier than Michael (we can almost see the shape of her bones) and she is in better shape than me :)
MJ told fans himself that was caught on tape that he was upset about 50 concerts and that he was one man and that he would need to put on some weight. the footage is now gone! AEG took it down! He was not healthy...he WAS too thin and he said so himself...Now all there is is written transcript of what he said on the net.
Sorry but to dance like he was dancing in TII he was healthy!!!!!!! You need a lot of energy to dance the way he was dancing.
yeah yeah he said he was too thin but this not come from his mouth! This came from the followers mouth. I don't have any respect about these followers sorry.
Well it's your opinion and u won't change mine. I'm a dancer too and I know u need a lot of energy to dance. I lost a lot of weight while I was dancing. So no way Michael was in bad shape.
I don't quote followers! I saw that footage myself and I made a video about it! Did you know he had oxygen tanks off stage that he used often? Show me in TII one rehearsal of a dance number that he completes all the way through? They are bits and pieces put together from various days! Kenny Ortega said himself he was force feeding MJ, cutting his chicken and feeding it to him. It is one thing to dance in bursts, it's the SUSTAINED energy he needed that he did not have, he didn't have the STAMINA and Mr. Increddible Hulk himself said that (his personal trainer) He said MJ couldn't lift a 2 pound weight! Forget about weight, where is a man who is NOT sleeping, going to get energy to perform? How is that healthy? Here is my video[youtube:zi4wankq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6I1LuwHeSc[/youtube:zi4wankq]
I don't wish to argue as it's possible that you may be right. But I'd like to point out that there are some sports that have oxygen ready for players too. I believe Kenny said he fed Michael because Michael would forget to eat. Can you give us the link to where Kenny said he needed to "force feed MJ"? I'd be interested to see that myself. Also, the one interview I saw with Lou Ferigno said that at the time Michael "died" he was gaining his strength and was healthy. There seems to be a lot of these people contradicting themselves and we need to be careful not to buy into everything we see or hear but to weigh the evidence before coming to conclusions. Thank you for this insightful information.
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I don't wish to argue as it's possible that you may be right. But I'd like to point out that there are some sports that have oxygen ready for players too. I believe Kenny said he fed Michael because Michael would forget to eat. Can you give us the link to where Kenny said he needed to "force feed MJ"? I'd be interested to see that myself. Also, the one interview I saw with Lou Ferigno said that at the time Michael "died" he was gaining his strength and was healthy. There seems to be a lot of these people contradicting themselves and we need to be careful not to buy into everything we see or hear but to weigh the evidence before coming to conclusions. Thank you for this insightful information.I'm proud to be a child of God and a member of MJ's Army of L.O.V.E.voiceforthesilent
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The last time Joe saw MJ was 3 months before he passed. (I believe he said in that video, if not that one then many others) and his chef said in the 3 months she was away, he had lost a lot of weight. These two things add up and you can make the connection that the major weight loss came off in the months leading up to the concert. Healthy or not, he didn't have enough body mass to sustain thim thru 50 concert dates at every 3 days (I believe that is what the contract had him doing) and with the required no less than an hour and a half on stage each night! (again, If I remember what the contract said) plus him saying himself that he would need to put on weight. (that video is no longer available...possibly because he stated he was "very angry" that the shows were turned to 50)
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oh, and the hem is fine.
the hem isn't fine... you should only have one crease in perfectly fitted pants...in this photo, there are like, 3-4 creases, they look sh**y. Mj was a perfectionist, and I'm sure he knew about stuff like that. They are fitting the pants to his length...regardless of how thin he was. And they may be adjusting the inseam as well. if those pants weren't tailored, the crotch would be like, down half his thigh.
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oh, and the hem is fine.
the hem isn't fine... you should only have one crease in perfectly fitted pants...in this photo, there are like, 3-4 creases, they look sh**y. Mj was a perfectionist, and I'm sure he knew about stuff like that. They are fitting the pants to his length...regardless of how thin he was. And they may be adjusting the inseam as well. if those pants weren't tailored, the crotch would be like, down half his thigh.
yeh, I guess he loved short pants. I dunno, but I counted a heck of a lot more than one crease in these pants I've posted...I guess they look sh#ty too?
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This last picture makes me very uneasy. Is that Thome Thome (or whatever his name is) grabbing MJ? That's just not right. Does anyone know when that picture was taken?
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yes, it is thome thome I'll go back and look where it was
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attending the musical Oliver in London in 2009 and that is Thome Thome
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Yeah I agree MJ was really thin but like others have said he was really thin during the Thriller era as well. The part I've seen from this is it he look like he was pretty healthy to me but I think he should have put on more weight if he was gonna do all those shows. MJ always sweats alot when he performs too and he didn't have any extra meat on his bones to be losing. As far as the oxygen tank lets not forget that MJ was 50 years old and when you perform at this age rather that in your 20's and 30's your stamina is different. I know because I had a step team when I was close to 20 and I could move and tear it up and not get winded. I tried to teach some girls in their 20's and I'm in my 30's now and I got tired and winded because I don't have the same stamina I had when I was younger. Even a great dancer like MJ had to get back into the routine of performing. He hadn't performed really since 2001. Also I agree that last photo with that guy Thome that dude look kinda mean. MJ should have had one of his bodyguards bust him up. Maybe he could be part of the reason MJ is gone too. You never know.
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Ummmm did any of you notice that alot of the pictures show his bare arms?? I find that more interesting than the weight issue as I do not see any scars or track marks or signs of intravenus use. Do you??
If he was into propfol as much as they say where are the marks? and would he allow his bare arms to be seen and photgraphed? Hmmmmm Something to think about.
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Ummmm did any of you notice that alot of the pictures show his bare arms?? I find that more interesting than the weight issue as I do not see any scars or track marks or signs of intravenus use. Do you??
If he was into propfol as much as they say where are the marks? and would he allow his bare arms to be seen and photgraphed? Hmmmmm Something to think about.
Yeah that is a good point that your're making. He definitely showing off his arms on these photos and most of the time he wear jackets. If he had needle marks they would show with him being so fair skinned.
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As for the pins in the pants, it's obvious that they were hemming them for height, not because he had no ass (and yah, he was thin) you can see in that video that the pants were way too long and elephant skinned around his feet and ankles. My cousin is a tailor and I have seen her pin pants above the ass exactly in this photo.
yes, I always pin my bum when my hem is to long...as well as all along the outside of my thigh too, just like the picture.(they are pinning the bum to take up extra fabric from lack of bum tissue and taking in the thigh due to decreased mass from the first time they measured him) It's obvious from these two pictures these pants were too big. I guess he lost a little since they first measured him....the pants you are talking about, that are too long, are the mock ups, they make the costumes first out of a muslin fabric. Once the fit is right, they use the muslin as a patern, take it apart and use it to cut on the real fabric...that is why they are all white cotton. The pants that are pinned in the bum are the finished product...the shiny pants.
Man I really can't believe this is MJ's butt so little here. He never really had a big one but it was like a little firm apple before not to be disrespectful. Maybe it's the pants too.
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Thank you for noticing as I did. There certainly would have been scabs and bruises. Any of you ever had blood tests? Where are the bandaids? Where are the scars?
I do not believe at this point, having seen these pictures that there was any long term propofol use. There would have been evidence on the arms in these pictures.
People say that drug users use other parts of the body for intravenous use but in the case of a drug like propofol I do not see that possibility. I have been on the sites since day one and this above all is the one thing that has bothered me more that anything else and seeing these pictures confirms to me that this was NOT a long term issue.
These are the things that we need to look at and these are the things that are so small they are overlooked. Members look at the pictures in this thread. Look at his arms and look at the movie where he is feeding himself. He was an adult and ate when he needed to. I get offended when people talk about him as if he was a child and needed to be fed. Please he was an intelligent man, a father and a seasoned performer who , more than anyone else, knew his own body and what he needed to do when performing. After all he has been performing since he was 5 years old.
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How can we get this evidence to the appropriate people. I noticed no needle marks too...where is the costume designer....will he be called to the stand. Also his doctor (albeit Klein) also stated he saw no track marks as did his nurse. As well it has been reported that Joe asked Prince and he said he saw nothing either.
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Yes he was thin but I don't think he was that skinny. During the Thriller era and Dangerous era he was that thin. Let's not forget he is dancer and he was rehearsing. It's normal for a dancer to loose weight. I don't know one single dancer who is not loosing weight when he is dancing or rehearsing. Michael was a in good shape. In TII, we saw a MJ in good shape. If he wasn't in good shape, no way he will able to dance like that!!! I know what I'm talking about I'm a dancer too and to dance u need to be in a good shape.
By the way, when you are skinny it doesn't mean u are sick or in a bad shape. I have a friend who is skinnier than Michael (we can almost see the shape of her bones) and she is in better shape than me :)
MJ told fans himself that was caught on tape that he was upset about 50 concerts and that he was one man and that he would need to put on some weight. the footage is now gone! AEG took it down! He was not healthy...he WAS too thin and he said so himself...Now all there is is written transcript of what he said on the net.
Sorry but to dance like he was dancing in TII he was healthy!!!!!!! You need a lot of energy to dance the way he was dancing.
yeah yeah he said he was too thin but this not come from his mouth! This came from the followers mouth. I don't have any respect about these followers sorry.
Well it's your opinion and u won't change mine. I'm a dancer too and I know u need a lot of energy to dance. I lost a lot of weight while I was dancing. So no way Michael was in bad shape.
I don't quote followers! I saw that footage myself and I made a video about it! Did you know he had oxygen tanks off stage that he used often? Show me in TII one rehearsal of a dance number that he completes all the way through? They are bits and pieces put together from various days! Kenny Ortega said himself he was force feeding MJ, cutting his chicken and feeding it to him. It is one thing to dance in bursts, it's the SUSTAINED energy he needed that he did not have, he didn't have the STAMINA and Mr. Increddible Hulk himself said that (his personal trainer) He said MJ couldn't lift a 2 pound weight! Forget about weight, where is a man who is NOT sleeping, going to get energy to perform? How is that healthy? Here is my video[youtube:4fh3qr32]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6I1LuwHeSc[/youtube:4fh3qr32]
I agree and whether we like it or not, Michael was extremely thin. How can we investigate anything and be in denial about the truth? Even in TII with fitting outfits on Stevie Wonder could see that he was extremely thin almost skeleton.
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Yes he was thin but I don't think he was that skinny. During the Thriller era and Dangerous era he was that thin. Let's not forget he is dancer and he was rehearsing. It's normal for a dancer to loose weight. I don't know one single dancer who is not loosing weight when he is dancing or rehearsing. Michael was a in good shape. In TII, we saw a MJ in good shape. If he wasn't in good shape, no way he will able to dance like that!!! I know what I'm talking about I'm a dancer too and to dance u need to be in a good shape.
By the way, when you are skinny it doesn't mean u are sick or in a bad shape. I have a friend who is skinnier than Michael (we can almost see the shape of her bones) and she is in better shape than me :)
MJ told fans himself that was caught on tape that he was upset about 50 concerts and that he was one man and that he would need to put on some weight. the footage is now gone! AEG took it down! He was not healthy...he WAS too thin and he said so himself...Now all there is is written transcript of what he said on the net.
Sorry but to dance like he was dancing in TII he was healthy!!!!!!! You need a lot of energy to dance the way he was dancing.
yeah yeah he said he was too thin but this not come from his mouth! This came from the followers mouth. I don't have any respect about these followers sorry.
Well it's your opinion and u won't change mine. I'm a dancer too and I know u need a lot of energy to dance. I lost a lot of weight while I was dancing. So no way Michael was in bad shape.
I completely agree...IMO Michael was in good health...i forgot who, but someone said that Michael always lost wait B4 a tour...with all that rehearsing and dancing he lost a few pounds...that's it...TII shows a healthy man and about the him not being able to carry the 2 lb weights i agree that it was not he couldn't he did not want to...he did not want to get bulky...just in shape
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here is a screen shot of his pants from behind...sorry ladies, his bum was gone! Look at the pins! They had to pin his pants in! He was in NO SHAPE to perform...give me a break Kenney Ortega!
I am glad that you see it. Absolutely agree with you. Michael was ill and definately not able/ready to perform for 50 shows and afterwards to go on tour!!! This was his contract. And last but not least he really hated to perform and I so understand it!! This is torture.
Compare the shows for his History tour there were JUST 37 shows in EUROPE and then he was 38 years old. Now he is 50 and should have done 50 shows in London alone plus the worldtour afterwards. This is to ridiculous!!!
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This is a very interesting interview I would like to share with you and those who do not know it. Enjoy, it gives a great inside of the music industry.
[youtube:3d6gfvy6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzpptd4BBVU[/youtube:3d6gfvy6]
[youtube:3d6gfvy6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78nZTqpYvgQ[/youtube:3d6gfvy6]
[youtube:3d6gfvy6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu9NPz9xZB0[/youtube:3d6gfvy6]
[youtube:3d6gfvy6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noWE-gTMYXk[/youtube:3d6gfvy6]
[youtube:3d6gfvy6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeKZYyfpYIk[/youtube:3d6gfvy6]
[youtube:3d6gfvy6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7GlKZAOcN4[/youtube:3d6gfvy6]
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Regarding the original video (link below) and the lack of needle marks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lxarTRj (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lxarTRj) ... re=related
I think this is very intriguing, especially since the designer says (at the beginning of the video) that the fitting happened "maybe a week before he passed". Page 13 of the autopsy report says, under the heading "Evidence Of Recent Therapy", that there were "numerous punctures over both arms." The sketches on page 39 of the report show the punctures. Among others, a "puncture plus contusion" appears on each of the arms, right below the elbows. These should be visible in the video/pictures from the fitting, and they aren't!! I'm very puzzled. Could it be that Murray (assuming he killed MJ) stuffed him with drugs on the night of June 24/25 and injected him with propofol for the first time? Murray claimed he'd administered propofol to MJ before, but we only seem to have his word for that... The evidence is missing!
The autopsy report also says that there's no known case of propofol being used to treat insomnia! Moreover, multiple bottles were found (many emptied of almost all of the contents), but no prescription for propofol was found, and no name of a doctor or patient. I find this very sketchy. (Murray had prescribed other anti-insomnia drugs to MJ.)
Another thing that makes me wonder: why was a *cardiologist* hired for MJ? If the doctor's job was to take care of MJ and keep him in good health for the concerts, wouldn't a nutritionist or GP have been more appropriate?! The main problems MJ seemed to face when touring or rehearsing a lot were eating, staying hydrated and sleeping. A cardiologist doesn't seem the kind of doctor needed to address those problems!! And MJ did, in fact, complain of being dehydrated and unable to sleep when he called Murray at 1 AM on June 25 (at night). (This detail is on page 2 of the autopsy report.) Did Murray do anything to address the dehydration?! The report only says that "Dr. Murray went to the decedent's residence and administered medical care. The details and extent of this medical care are currently unknown; though the decedent slept for several hours and Dr. Murray was at the bedside." The dehydration itself could be a sign that MJ needed to be taken to the hospital, and if Murray didn't address it then that could indicate incompetence or criminal intentions or utter recklessness.
Also: notice that MJ slept for several hours that night!! If so, I don't understand why he would still try to sleep (and ask for propofol or something!) after 10 AM, given that his kids had breakfast around 9 AM and MJ was typically up by 10-10:30 AM (the time when Murray usually delivered breakfast to him, according to Kai Chase). And 12-12:30 was when MJ had lunch with the kids! Moreover, I understand he was going to have rehearsals later in the day, starting around 2 PM...
The key question, I guess, is WHEN Murray injected MJ with propofol and what exactly happened until 12:21, when the 911 call was placed. The autopsy report says (based on Murray's statements?) that he discovered around 12 that MJ wasn't breathing, and that he put him on the bedroom floor and began CPR. Now if the 911 call isn't fake, we know that MJ was actually on the bed and so Murray must have lied about placing him on the floor. He also seems to have lied about other things, so he could also be lying about the time he administered the propofol and when he discovered MJ wasn't breathing... No? On the other hand, MJ doesn't appear to have been dead when the paramedics arrived -- the report says only that he was "asystolic" and "his pupils were fixed and dilated". Had he been dead, maybe the report would have said that there were no vital signs?! Or do you think someone could be bribed into saying "asystolic" rather than "no vital signs"?!
I feel so sorry for Michael... Something seems rotten in the state of CA.
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MJ doesn't appear to have been dead when the paramedics arrived -- the report says only that he was "asystolic" and "his pupils were fixed and dilated". Had he been dead, maybe the report would have said that there were no vital signs?! Or do you think someone could be bribed into saying "asystolic" rather than "no vital signs"?!
I feel so sorry for Michael... Something seems rotten in the state of CA.
From what I understand, that does mean he had no vital signs. Asystolic basically means you're flatlined...there is no electrical activity or blood flow to the brain. And when the pupils are fixed and dilated that usually means you're braindead. :( That's consistent with the paramedic's wife's statement when she said her husband told her MJ was already gone before they got there.
And I agree that he was way too thin...he looks like a walking skeleton to me. I hated seeing him like that, and I could barely watch him in TII.
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when I went to see the Michael Jackson exhibition at th 02 London I was amazed at how small Michael was the costumes for the 80s and the videos from that time his trousers were very small he has always been very slim and it would not have taken much for him to become dangerously under weight
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Ive got this photo which, to me, shows MJ very thin and tired in the face and eyes.
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when I went to see the Michael Jackson exhibition at th 02 London I was amazed at how small Michael was the costumes for the 80s and the videos from that time his trousers were very small he has always been very slim and it would not have taken much for him to become dangerously under weight
I myself am very much like that. I have always been slim and if i go through a period of time in my life when i am stressed i will lose weight really quickly... even if i am eating ok.. the stress will cause it to literally fall off me.. so i understand MJs dilemma with his weight.
In the past i have resorted to energy shakes, etc.. but they dont work. The only thing that worked was to get rid of the stress in my life.
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ILuvUMoreMJ wrote
From what I understand, that does mean he had no vital signs. Asystolic basically means you're flatlined...there is no electrical activity or blood flow to the brain. And when the pupils are fixed and dilated that usually means you're braindead. :( That's consistent with the paramedic's wife's statement when she said her husband told her MJ was already gone before they got there.
:cry: :cry:
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ILuvUMoreMJ wrote
From what I understand, that does mean he had no vital signs. Asystolic basically means you're flatlined...there is no electrical activity or blood flow to the brain. And when the pupils are fixed and dilated that usually means you're braindead. :( That's consistent with the paramedic's wife's statement when she said her husband told her MJ was already gone before they got there.
:cry: :cry:
But inconsistent with what Frank DiLieo and Randy Phillips said about MJ being on life support at the hospital... :?
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I think this is very intriguing, especially since the designer says (at the beginning of the video) that the fitting happened "maybe a week before he passed". Page 13 of the autopsy report says, under the heading "Evidence Of Recent Therapy", that there were "numerous punctures over both arms." The sketches on page 39 of the report show the punctures. Among others, a "puncture plus contusion" appears on each of the arms, right below the elbows. These should be visible in the video/pictures from the fitting, and they aren't!! I'm very puzzled. Could it be that Murray (assuming he killed MJ) stuffed him with drugs on the night of June 24/25 and injected him with propofol for the first time? Murray claimed he'd administered propofol to MJ before, but we only seem to have his word for that... The evidence is missing!
The autopsy report also says that there's no known case of propofol being used to treat insomnia! Moreover, multiple bottles were found (many emptied of almost all of the contents), but no prescription for propofol was found, and no name of a doctor or patient. I find this very sketchy. (Murray had prescribed other anti-insomnia drugs to MJ.)
Another thing that makes me wonder: why was a *cardiologist* hired for MJ? If the doctor's job was to take care of MJ and keep him in good health for the concerts, wouldn't a nutritionist or GP have been more appropriate?! The main problems MJ seemed to face when touring or rehearsing a lot were eating, staying hydrated and sleeping. A cardiologist doesn't seem the kind of doctor needed to address those problems!! And MJ did, in fact, complain of being dehydrated and unable to sleep when he called Murray at 1 AM on June 25 (at night). (This detail is on page 2 of the autopsy report.) Did Murray do anything to address the dehydration?! The report only says that "Dr. Murray went to the decedent's residence and administered medical care. The details and extent of this medical care are currently unknown; though the decedent slept for several hours and Dr. Murray was at the bedside." The dehydration itself could be a sign that MJ needed to be taken to the hospital, and if Murray didn't address it then that could indicate incompetence or criminal intentions or utter recklessness.
Also: notice that MJ slept for several hours that night!! If so, I don't understand why he would still try to sleep (and ask for propofol or something!) after 10 AM, given that his kids had breakfast around 9 AM and MJ was typically up by 10-10:30 AM (the time when Murray usually delivered breakfast to him, according to Kai Chase). And 12-12:30 was when MJ had lunch with the kids! Moreover, I understand he was going to have rehearsals later in the day, starting around 2 PM...
The key question, I guess, is WHEN Murray injected MJ with propofol and what exactly happened until 12:21, when the 911 call was placed. The autopsy report says (based on Murray's statements?) that he discovered around 12 that MJ wasn't breathing, and that he put him on the bedroom floor and began CPR. Now if the 911 call isn't fake, we know that MJ was actually on the bed and so Murray must have lied about placing him on the floor. He also seems to have lied about other things, so he could also be lying about the time he administered the propofol and when he discovered MJ wasn't breathing... No? On the other hand, MJ doesn't appear to have been dead when the paramedics arrived -- the report says only that he was "asystolic" and "his pupils were fixed and dilated". Had he been dead, maybe the report would have said that there were no vital signs?! Or do you think someone could be bribed into saying "asystolic" rather than "no vital signs"?!
I feel so sorry for Michael... Something seems rotten in the state of CA.
You have made some really good points. Why in the world indeed would you be giving him propofol at that time of the morning--especially since Kai Chase has gone on the record as stating that he usually had breakfast with the kids? From the description, "his pupils were fixed and dilated," it sounds as if he died suddenly. Why didn't this stupid doctor treat his dehydration and other problems (lung disease)? This just does not make any sense.
I call on the media to investigate this instead of the inane "Secret Life Of Michael Jackson".
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Some very interesting points. As for long-term propofol use, the IV catheter for the propofol was found in the left leg, so lack of puncture marks on arms does not imply there was no propofol use.
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I think this is very intriguing, especially since the designer says (at the beginning of the video) that the fitting happened "maybe a week before he passed". Page 13 of the autopsy report says, under the heading "Evidence Of Recent Therapy", that there were "numerous punctures over both arms." The sketches on page 39 of the report show the punctures. Among others, a "puncture plus contusion" appears on each of the arms, right below the elbows. These should be visible in the video/pictures from the fitting, and they aren't!! I'm very puzzled. Could it be that Murray (assuming he killed MJ) stuffed him with drugs on the night of June 24/25 and injected him with propofol for the first time? Murray claimed he'd administered propofol to MJ before, but we only seem to have his word for that... The evidence is missing!
The autopsy report also says that there's no known case of propofol being used to treat insomnia! Moreover, multiple bottles were found (many emptied of almost all of the contents), but no prescription for propofol was found, and no name of a doctor or patient. I find this very sketchy. (Murray had prescribed other anti-insomnia drugs to MJ.)
Another thing that makes me wonder: why was a *cardiologist* hired for MJ? If the doctor's job was to take care of MJ and keep him in good health for the concerts, wouldn't a nutritionist or GP have been more appropriate?! The main problems MJ seemed to face when touring or rehearsing a lot were eating, staying hydrated and sleeping. A cardiologist doesn't seem the kind of doctor needed to address those problems!! And MJ did, in fact, complain of being dehydrated and unable to sleep when he called Murray at 1 AM on June 25 (at night). (This detail is on page 2 of the autopsy report.) Did Murray do anything to address the dehydration?! The report only says that "Dr. Murray went to the decedent's residence and administered medical care. The details and extent of this medical care are currently unknown; though the decedent slept for several hours and Dr. Murray was at the bedside." The dehydration itself could be a sign that MJ needed to be taken to the hospital, and if Murray didn't address it then that could indicate incompetence or criminal intentions or utter recklessness.
Also: notice that MJ slept for several hours that night!! If so, I don't understand why he would still try to sleep (and ask for propofol or something!) after 10 AM, given that his kids had breakfast around 9 AM and MJ was typically up by 10-10:30 AM (the time when Murray usually delivered breakfast to him, according to Kai Chase). And 12-12:30 was when MJ had lunch with the kids! Moreover, I understand he was going to have rehearsals later in the day, starting around 2 PM...
The key question, I guess, is WHEN Murray injected MJ with propofol and what exactly happened until 12:21, when the 911 call was placed. The autopsy report says (based on Murray's statements?) that he discovered around 12 that MJ wasn't breathing, and that he put him on the bedroom floor and began CPR. Now if the 911 call isn't fake, we know that MJ was actually on the bed and so Murray must have lied about placing him on the floor. He also seems to have lied about other things, so he could also be lying about the time he administered the propofol and when he discovered MJ wasn't breathing... No? On the other hand, MJ doesn't appear to have been dead when the paramedics arrived -- the report says only that he was "asystolic" and "his pupils were fixed and dilated". Had he been dead, maybe the report would have said that there were no vital signs?! Or do you think someone could be bribed into saying "asystolic" rather than "no vital signs"?!
I feel so sorry for Michael... Something seems rotten in the state of CA.
You have made some really good points. Why in the world indeed would you be giving him propofol at that time of the morning--especially since Kai Chase has gone on the record as stating that he usually had breakfast with the kids? From the description, "his pupils were fixed and dilated," it sounds as if he died suddenly. Why didn't this stupid doctor treat his dehydration and other problems (lung disease)? This just does not make any sense.
I call on the media to investigate this instead of the inane "Secret Life Of Michael Jackson".
I agree with a lot of what you said. The first thing that anyone does to fix dehydration is start an IV. MJ had that. I posted a thread about MJ not having any pain meds in his system or in the house. I said that maybe MJ was out from the sleeping meds and someone, the dr. or someone else, took that opportunity to administer propofol to murder him (planned) or in order to poke around the house looking for all the cash he had in his house (that is now missing) and his jewels (now missing) and also took the security tapes and MJ dying wasn't intended. Or, it was completely intended to murder him (in comes AEG and SONY) and stealing those things were just a side note.
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Yes, why not? The powers that be (AEG?) could have set this up because they thought he would not be able to do the concert. Maybe it was a situation where Michael owed the money and they told him, either you do this or you are going to lose everything. Could be. They they realized he was ill (lungs, etc.) and that he wasn't up to it. Witness the video where Kenny and Randy are dispelling illness rumours about MJ. They are lying. Unfortunately, it will take two years' time to find out the truth about the concert preparation which is when confidentiality agreements come out. The only hope I have is that MJ called Farakkan a week before his death pleading for help. My hope is that somehow MJ was able to be rescued. I'm not giving up until I know the truth. I think we have to insist that the media do their job.
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This last picture makes me very uneasy. Is that Thome Thome (or whatever his name is) grabbing MJ? That's just not right. Does anyone know when that picture was taken?
OMG...horrible! People are trying to rip him apart! I hate to see crazy people doing this to him and on top of that he has one of the children with him :x
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The only hope I have is that MJ called Farakkan a week before his death pleading for help.
I'm sorry, this is news to me... what is this part about?
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mike please eat
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Hello Shake,
Michael Jackson was friends with Louis Farrakhan, the famous Nation of Islam leader, through Jermaine. He contributed to some of their work. On a video, Farrakhan states that while he was in Africa he received a message that Michael Jackson had contacted him asking for help because he did not feel he could do the 50 shows. This video series is called "The Crucifixion of Michael Jackson." My hope is that somehow either Farrakhan or someone else was able to help him.
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Hello Shake,
Michael Jackson was friends with Louis Farrakhan, the famous Nation of Islam leader, through Jermaine. He contributed to some of their work. On a video, Farrakhan states that while he was in Africa he received a message that Michael Jackson had contacted him asking for help because he did not feel he could do the 50 shows. This video series is called "The Crucifixion of Michael Jackson." My hope is that somehow either Farrakhan or someone else was able to help him.
And did Farrakhan help him or ignore him?
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Well, in the video you get the impression he didn't. But my hope is that somehow they managed to help him (hence--hoax).
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i have truly enjoyed the hour or so spent listening to these video's
i feel that the truth about this humble man has not come out,
the comments made by these commentators ring in my ears about the non-mol and the liars, the parents who put him thru that ordeal
the manner and way he was treated by sony/epic and the ultimately aeg - is disgusting
who could blame mj for saying to hell with you.
i do believe that sony will do another box set of old material and sell it to us, trying to get their 30 pieces of silver
so mj has the victory tour and 200 songs - good for you
my heart bleeds
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these pic too...
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Wow, MJ does look skinny. Skinnier than any man I've met but I'm not a professional dancer so I can't say if they're supposed to look that skinny or not. Was he healthy in the TII movie? I really can't say. MJ has always been thin yes. I don't know much about the Lupus but in my own opinion, I still think MJ is alive. Every fiber in my being tells me that.
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Yes he was thin but I don't think he was that skinny. During the Thriller era and Dangerous era he was that thin. Let's not forget he is dancer and he was rehearsing. It's normal for a dancer to loose weight. I don't know one single dancer who is not loosing weight when he is dancing or rehearsing. Michael was a in good shape. In TII, we saw a MJ in good shape. If he wasn't in good shape, no way he will able to dance like that!!! I know what I'm talking about I'm a dancer too and to dance u need to be in a good shape.
By the way, when you are skinny it doesn't mean u are sick or in a bad shape. I have a friend who is skinnier than Michael (we can almost see the shape of her bones) and she is in better shape than me :)
agreed
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Professional dancers are like anyone else - some thinner, some larger, but they all have fantastic muscle tone. To me, MJ looked thinner than ever in TII, and it didn't look to me like it was because of all the exercise. He looked like someone who hasn't been eating (like anorexic). However, I believe he is alive and that he finally got the help he needed.
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Professional dancers are like anyone else - some thinner, some larger, but they all have fantastic muscle tone. To me, MJ looked thinner than ever in TII, and it didn't look to me like it was because of all the exercise. He looked like someone who hasn't been eating (like anorexic). However, I believe he is alive and that he finally got the help he needed.
I think he was very depressed for a while before TII was even announced. TII may have helped him get out of his depression. I say that because (in my own experience) during a depression it is hard to put a real smile on your face... it makes you forget to eat, and not want o get out of bed. I hope all is well now :|
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well its got one of the children with a veil on.......if its blanket..he looks about 3...or 4.......just my thoughts.....xxxxx i am referring to the photo with thome in btw
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Hello Shake,
Michael Jackson was friends with Louis Farrakhan, the famous Nation of Islam leader, through Jermaine. He contributed to some of their work. On a video, Farrakhan states that while he was in Africa he received a message that Michael Jackson had contacted him asking for help because he did not feel he could do the 50 shows. This video series is called "The Crucifixion of Michael Jackson." My hope is that somehow either Farrakhan or someone else was able to help him.
Well, in the video you get the impression he didn't. But my hope is that somehow they managed to help him (hence--hoax).
Very, very interesting information. I have heard about the video. But, I have wanted to see it. I did not know that MJ had contacted Louis when he was in Africa. It makes logical sense would have reached out to NOI, if MJ needed help in light of the 50 concerts. Hmmm, Africa is mentioned again. Very insightful. God bless you both! :)
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Darkchild,
I'll try to find the video (a series actually). It is very interesting. Hardly anyone has spoken of this connection because of the controversy aroused by Farrakhan, but it is my hope they were able to do something.
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Michael was extremely thin, to the point of looking sickly. He especially did not appear to have the weight required to do 50 concerts.
It amazes me that some keep saying he was not too thin. One might wonder how thin he needed to be for them to call him too thin.
To prevent videos from being lost, such as the one where he supposedly said he did not want to do the 50 shows, it would be a good idea to download such videos and store them on your harddrive. Videos from Youtube can be easily downloaded with this website by copying and pasting the youtube url in it:
www.savevid.com (http://www.savevid.com)
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Michael was extremely thin, to the point of looking sickly. He especially did not appear to have the weight required to do 50 concerts.
It amazes me that some keep saying he was not too thin. One might wonder how thin he needed to be for them to call him too thin.
To prevent videos from being lost, such as the one where he supposedly said he did not want to do the 50 shows, it would be a good idea to download such videos and store them on your harddrive. Videos from Youtube can be easily downloaded with this website by copying and pasting the youtube url in it:
http://www.savevid.com (http://www.savevid.com)
Where is that video of him saying that he didnt want to do 50 show? You have it?
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Michael was extremely thin, to the point of looking sickly. He especially did not appear to have the weight required to do 50 concerts.
It amazes me that some keep saying he was not too thin. One might wonder how thin he needed to be for them to call him too thin.
To prevent videos from being lost, such as the one where he supposedly said he did not want to do the 50 shows, it would be a good idea to download such videos and store them on your harddrive. Videos from Youtube can be easily downloaded with this website by copying and pasting the youtube url in it:
http://www.savevid.com (http://www.savevid.com)
Where is that video of him saying that he didnt want to do 50 show? You have it?
No, I do not have this video but there has been much talk of it suddenly disappearing from the internet at some point. So as soon as anyone sees such an important video, download it because it can be removed again at any time.
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what is with his eye in the photo?
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what is with his eye in the photo?
His eyes are tired , cause he sleeps with them open... :lol: no, sorry :roll:
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Also TII was filmed in HD. Most people look heavier on this format. I certainly noticed the difference in how "fat" someone appeared when I bought a Hi Def tv. On the old Cathode Ray Tube (CRT) tv's people didn't seem as heavy and even that format is supposed to make people look heavier. There is a fine line between being slim and being too thin. Because a lot of people in the Western world are overweight to varying degrees it can make "normal" weight people look abnormal because we are used to seeing heavier people almost as the norm.
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Also TII was filmed in HD. Most people look heavier on this format. I certainly noticed the difference in how "fat" someone appeared when I bought a Hi Def tv. On the old Cathode Ray Tube (CRT) tv's people didn't seem as heavy and even that format is supposed to make people look heavier. There is a fine line between being slim and being too thin. Because a lot of people in the Western world are overweight to varying degrees it can make "normal" weight people look abnormal because we are used to seeing heavier people almost as the norm.
I agree with you about the last part, we are used to big as the "norm" but I think that we have seen MJ through his life and we know what healthy on him looks like. For me...MJ was too thin for himself. If you watch TII again, watch were he does the "The Way You Make Me Feel" and look at the part where they do the dancing on the floor, see the part where he puts one knee up while the other is on the floor and is supposed to drag the other knee along and then get up...he has no strength to get up smoothly! This isn't due to not working out, this is due to loss of muscle mass. His body doesn't have any "fat" to loose and is taking his muscle.
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mykidsmum, The other thing about being too thin when one gets older is that it can be ageing. People with more fat on their faces when they are middle aged look better/healthier.
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mykidsmum, The other thing about being too thin when one gets older is that it can be ageing. People with more fat on their faces when they are middle aged look better/healthier.
i think that is true. i was thin till mid 20's and i hated it! (okay so i can afford to lose some pounds right about now LOL) why are people obseesed with skinny anyway? the skeletal look is not good IMO... ;) I like meat around those bones :lol: :lol: :lol:
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MJ was too thin in TII.. and remember, we only got the edited bits.
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MJ was too thin in TII.. and remember, we only got the edited bits.
we may get more at the hearing
but the two pics you posted dancing look dire compare to 02 - what ever was going on the freshness was gone and the strain was showing