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Title: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: mykidsmum on February 09, 2010, 10:19:15 AM
Hi everyone, I want to say to everyone who believes that MJ may have passed and is thinking about leaving...DON'T.  The fact of the matter is, I believe there is something far more sinister going on then just Dr. Murray and an injection.  The autopsy result states that there was enough Propofol in MJ's system as someone who is undergoing MAJOR surgery.  This clearly differs from Dr. Murray's statement of the amount he injected MJ with.  If Murray was away from the room on the phone like reccords indicate, someone could have easily gotten access to him and done him in.
-Don't forget MJ feared for his safety, was afraid to eat for fear of poisoning by another and told some people that if he should die, look into these people.
-AEG has changed their story on MJ's health since the release of TII.  Kenney Ortega went from cutting MJ's chicken and begging him to eat, to being on the receiving end of an estate that has grossed over 100 million since MJ'd death.  He changed his story to MJ was healthy and tip top shape.
-Sony wanted MJ's Catalog and with MJ dead...
-There was NO way MJ would do 50 shows, his health (lungs in particular) couldn't have allowed it, so, he was worth more dead than alive.
-Even if they parade MJ's dead body down Main St. for all of us to see, the fact is we all have something in common, we appreciate MJ and we know something fishy is going on...for those reasons we all need to stick around.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: the arabian nights on February 09, 2010, 10:46:33 AM
i dont know where i am, i feel logic is telling me one thing and my heart another. its hard when you hear mj's mom.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: reading_on on February 09, 2010, 10:52:24 AM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Hi everyone, I want to say to everyone who believes that MJ may have passed and is thinking about leaving...DON'T.  The fact of the matter is, I believe there is something far more sinister going on then just Dr. Murray and an injection.  The autopsy result states that there was enough Propofol in MJ's system as someone who is undergoing MAJOR surgery.  This clearly differs from Dr. Murray's statement of the amount he injected MJ with.  If Murray was away from the room on the phone like reccords indicate, someone could have easily gotten access to him and done him in.
-Don't forget MJ feared for his safety, was afraid to eat for fear of poisoning by another and told some people that if he should die, look into these people.
-AEG has changed their story on MJ's health since the release of TII.  Kenney Ortega went from cutting MJ's chicken and begging him to eat, to being on the receiving end of an estate that has grossed over 100 million since MJ'd death.  He changed his story to MJ was healthy and tip top shape.
-Sony wanted MJ's Catalog and with MJ dead...
-There was NO way MJ would do 50 shows, his health (lungs in particular) couldn't have allowed it, so, he was worth more dead than alive.
-Even if they parade MJ's dead body down Main St. for all of us to see, the fact is we all have something in common, we appreciate MJ and we know something fishy is going on...for those reasons we all need to stick around.

agreed!
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: JACKSONGIRL on February 09, 2010, 10:55:52 AM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Hi everyone, I want to say to everyone who believes that MJ may have passed and is thinking about leaving...DON'T.  The fact of the matter is, I believe there is something far more sinister going on then just Dr. Murray and an injection.  The autopsy result states that there was enough Propofol in MJ's system as someone who is undergoing MAJOR surgery.  This clearly differs from Dr. Murray's statement of the amount he injected MJ with.  If Murray was away from the room on the phone like reccords indicate, someone could have easily gotten access to him and done him in.
-Don't forget MJ feared for his safety, was afraid to eat for fear of poisoning by another and told some people that if he should die, look into these people.
-AEG has changed their story on MJ's health since the release of TII.  Kenney Ortega went from cutting MJ's chicken and begging him to eat, to being on the receiving end of an estate that has grossed over 100 million since MJ'd death.  He changed his story to MJ was healthy and tip top shape.
-Sony wanted MJ's Catalog and with MJ dead...
-There was NO way MJ would do 50 shows, his health (lungs in particular) couldn't have allowed it, so, he was worth more dead than alive.
-Even if they parade MJ's dead body down Main St. for all of us to see, the fact is we all have something in common, we appreciate MJ and we know something fishy is going on...for those reasons we all need to stick around.
honestly im not 100% yet, i still have hope and im gonna continue coming to this forum for info and stuff but im on the edge right now this murray stuff seems so real, and im running thin but ima stick it out and see what happens from now on but im not getting my hopes up lol:)
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: truthprevails on February 09, 2010, 01:47:20 PM
I agree, mjkidsmum!  That's why I'm sticking around too.  I was shocked by the amount of propofol too, as well as the 3 IVs in Michael's body.  One of them was in the neck, and apparently it's very painful to inject someone in the neck!  I'm not sure if that's a normal way of injecting propofol, but it would be great to find out.  (I couldn't find an answer on the Internet.)  Michael's body seemed terribly abused, and that is making me suspect murder.  Also, Kai Chase said MJ was intent on eating and staying healthy, and while she did see Murray's oxygen tank(s) and wondered about it/them, she didn't see signs of MJ being medicated/on drugs or suffering from insomnia.  That's bewildering to me... how this health-conscious man could suddenly become a needle-ridden drug addict at night!  That would certainly be seen in someone's everyday behavior (getting up late, being dizzy/foggy, not recalling things etc)?  MJ always seemed mentally sharp to me...

At this point I'm willing to look at everything that doesn't make sense, regardless of the direction in which it points: hoax or non-hoax.  What matters is the truth, and we're all in this together!
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 09, 2010, 01:52:05 PM
Quote from: "truthprevails"
I agree, mjkidsmum!  That's why I'm sticking around too.  I was shocked by the amount of propofol too, as well as the 3 IVs in Michael's body.  One of them was in the neck, and apparently it's very painful to inject someone in the neck!  I'm not sure if that's a normal way of injecting propofol, but it would be great to find out.  (I couldn't find an answer on the Internet.)  Michael's body seemed terribly abused, and that is making me suspect murder.  Also, Kai Chase said MJ was intent on eating and staying healthy, and while she did see Murray's oxygen tank(s) and wondered about it/them, she didn't see signs of MJ being medicated/on drugs or suffering from insomnia.  That's bewildering to me... how this health-conscious man could suddenly become a needle-ridden drug addict at night!  That would certainly be seen in someone's everyday behavior (getting up late, being dizzy/foggy, not recalling things etc)?  MJ always seemed mentally sharp to me...

At this point I'm willing to look at everything that doesn't make sense, regardless of the direction in which it points: hoax or non-hoax.  What matters is the truth, and we're all in this together!

Agreed.  Something isnt right, and things still not adding up.  

I will stay until the truth is uncovered.  There is no way i can rest until i know the truth
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: the_gloved_one on February 09, 2010, 02:10:04 PM
i have to admit i also think that Michael has passed, the autopsy report was the closure i needed - it confirmed a lot for me. I think deep down i knew that he was gone but I've been in denial for so long. All i know is that Michael is in a better place...a place free from pain. If the clues and inconsistencies don't point to the hoax than there's something even more dark and sinister going on and we need to figure it out!
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Inhalib on February 09, 2010, 02:27:28 PM
Is so sad for me seeing all this people giving up on him.. leaving all this hard work behind... It makes me wonder if I'm too blind to see the obvious or if the others are just not so strong to keep believing what once was the truth for them..
I still believe that MJ is alive, He didn't died on 25/6... there are just so many odd things that I'm not buying the daeth story yet.. is not enough for me! I've seen in two days so many things that makes me believe that he could still be alive than things that makes me believe the opposite.
You and I shall make a pact, we must bring salvation back, and where there is love.. i'll be there  I have accepted that pact, and I said to myself that I wouldnt forgive myself if I not try to show people why I am a believer.. maybe is time to do the work again with the believers that are loosing their faith. PM me if you wanna talk ;)

lots lots loooots of L.O.V.E!! use your heart, your intelect... are those two telling you that he is dead? are they agree with your eyes?... or are they telling you that all this odd things means something? .. only time will tell my friend, I'm still waiting :)

sorry for my english
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: mykidsmum on February 09, 2010, 02:29:21 PM
Quote from: "the_gloved_one"
i have to admit i also think that Michael has passed, the autopsy report was the closure i needed - it confirmed a lot for me. I think deep down i knew that he was gone but I've been in denial for so long. All i know is that Michael is in a better place...a place free from pain. If the clues and inconsistencies don't point to the hoax than there's something even more dark and sinister going on and we need to figure it out!
You said it....Just ask yourself these questions
-Frank Deleo (spelling?) was with him on the bad tour, Murray said MJ told him he used propofol when he was on the bad tour!
-Frank was fired by MJ and stated that he didn't know why.  He came out of RETIREMENT to be on this gig and is almost blind from medical conditions!
-Murray has 45 minutes worth of phone records before the call to the ambulance, the last one being 20 minutes before the ambulance arrives.  Propofol is short acting and the amount that he claimed to have given him, would have been out of his system in the time that he was on the phone.  If he was away from the phone, someone had to have given MJ the amount that killed him.
-as far as I know, the security tapes from that time are gone and the only thing giving Murray an alibi, are those phone calls.  I say alibi because I think he is going to argue that there is no way he could have administered the drug while he was on the phone and the time of death (MJ had fixed and dilated pupils when ambulance came)  will show that it was administered within that time frame of murray being on the phone.
-the ambulance took MJ to the hospital and performed CPR at Murrays request even though he was already gone, Murray had to get him to a place where other doctors would see MJ and the condition of his body and see that he had just passed, within the 45 minutes of phone calls.
anyone have any thoughts to add?
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: kelly wright on February 09, 2010, 02:30:36 PM
I totally agree SoNy ,Aeg Matolla The LAPD and the FBI are in on it .What is in the rest of the FBI files that is "permenatly classified" ? Even Tom M. Mj's defense Att. Wanted to know why they did not release the files showing MJ innocence and save the taxpayers of the state of CA millions . Why did T Sneddon persue a case he could not win ???? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ He was paid off by someone who wanted MJ out of the way . Someone who wanted to stop MJ from causing people to awaken to our evil GOV .  :twisted:
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: smiles on February 09, 2010, 02:41:18 PM
well I'm not sure yet.. I'm waiting for Murray to get convicted. the sec he is im sure MJ is gone... until then i hope and pray that he is alive..  :cry:
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Eva R on February 09, 2010, 02:58:37 PM
It just sucks that lots of people are giving up.. think about it. Michael supposed to be dead right?! So they make people he IS dead. Please don't give up. Its all Michael's plan. An adventure. And adventures have always good times and bad times ;)
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: i_need YoU on February 09, 2010, 03:20:42 PM
Michael was murdered and i know who did it

Im sorry but right now more things are adding up to the theory that he got murdered then the theory that he hoaxed his death right now in my eyes... and im sticking around to get the bottom of it because i know the media is not going to do it for us...so we need to do it for Michael and for ourselves and for his family!
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Infinitylady on February 09, 2010, 03:55:04 PM
Quote
Ok, so if he is dead. I wonder will this forum continue on? Just wondering.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Grace on February 09, 2010, 03:57:36 PM
I appreciate that now some those that would have been leaving are staying around.
I would encourage all that are having doubts, weighing more into "dead" than "alive" to stay around and lurk once in a while.

We are all ONE, there is no division. We are coming together from around the globe, we are coming together for and on behalf and with Michael Jackson AND IT IS GOOD AND RIGHT THAT WAY.

As to the coroner's report, I have posted several aspects already why I believe that it is fake.
Many others have contributed very detailed about the contradictions and inconsistencies.
This report may have triggered some of you to get to your peace of mind that MJ is gone.
As long as you have peace of mind, I appreciate your conclusion and decision despite it is not mine.

If you have any doubts in MJ's death, I encourage you to get back e.g. to the old mjkit forum and re-read it from time to time.

On Propofol you'll find for example the fantastic in-depth research of Annieisnotokey
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-thi ... t=propofol (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/propofol-diprivan-the-media-story-vs-facts-t491.htm?highlight=propofol)
(Judge after reading whether the coroner's report may be true or not.)
And for all those who need a spiritual hug once in a while, this is a good address, too: http://mjawakening.wordpress.com/ (http://mjawakening.wordpress.com/)

Thank you all for being here and for staying here and for having shared your company and insights to date.

Take care, a deep breath from time to time and feel welcome any time.
(There is nobody here pointing with fingers - each one of us has had at least one moment of turning around.)

 ;)

P.S. As long as we are not personally an expert in a complicated matter, we must search the expert's knowledge to educate our mind and decide thereafter only.
As long as we do not know about a subject, we cannot decide whether an utterance or media publication is true or not.

MJ shows us that it may be very exhausting sometimes to educate ourselves but that the gain of freedom is priceless.
This is all for L.O.V.E.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: the arabian nights on February 09, 2010, 04:01:54 PM
just saying that he is dead - so how do we explain the helicopter?
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: still beLIEve on February 09, 2010, 04:31:58 PM
I´m very sad too.... this has been difficult since the beggining..... I can´t believe we went througt the memorial and you are loosing faith now.....

I mean.... what´s the point??? if we believe in a hoax the charges against Murray are logical... it has to do with it... he is not condemned yet....

And the autopsy... .my god.... it´s been realeased by a TABLOID!!! what is that your not understanding?????

I can´t believe Michael´s fans are buying tabloids!!! I just can´t put here in one post the horrible things they said about him all through his life.... there is no boundaries..... they can say anything... they can print anything..... even   a fake autopsy report!!! THE BIG PROBLEM HERE IS THAT YOU ARE BUYING IT!!

I AM SUPRISED YOU DON´T THINK HE IS A PEDOPHILE TOO......

I´m not saying we are completely sure that his is alive.... we never were.... but if we have to stop believing is has to be because of something official.... because the family says so.... or because the childrens says so.... NOT BECAUSE OF A TABLOID!  :evil:
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Venus on February 09, 2010, 04:50:23 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
i dont know where i am, i feel logic is telling me one thing and my heart another. its hard when you hear mj's mom.

HI, the arabian nights!:)
MJ's mom? What did she say? Do you have a link?
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: virgo75 on February 09, 2010, 04:55:16 PM
Great post mykidsmum!  Thank you for sharing this.

Right now I'm at 50%/50% of believing that this is a hoax or a murder cover-up.  Before yesterday I hovered around 80-90% hoax to 10-20% murder cover-up.

I agree that it is hard after hearing Katherine speak.
I thought that part of the "proof" that this was a hoax was that his mother didn't say anything as I didn't think she would act, but maybe just be silent.  Now I don't know...

I also don't think that a lot of things that are supposed to be "clues" are really clues.
I think they're just grasping at straws.

But really, to some of the posters who responded - there's no need to insult anyone on here.  That's just uncalled for.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Suzi~Ses~Its~Right on February 09, 2010, 04:58:18 PM
even if Michael is dead and i'll be honest about 20% of me has considered it over the last 7 months, i'll be damned if im gonna crawl away broken hearted and just let go. I wanna know EVERY detail of his death and i wont rest till i personally know what i consider to be the truth and if that means getting together with like minded people to make the biggest nusance of ourselves till those in the know  do something simply to shut us up then i swear to God i will do it!! i've had enough of the spin and the injustice in this world and if we dont start fighting back against the corruption, media lies, etc then the last 50 years of Micheals Message were for nothing!!
Sorry if i sound irate but i cant tolerate injustice and not be able to do a damn thing. thats the only thing that really riles my blood  :(
this anger isnt aimed at ANYONE of you out there its aimed at the System who let michael down and WILL let all of us and our children & their children down unless WE as  WHOLE do something now I for one aint going now where, and if this becomes a murder site then so be it i'll be here still giving my full suport!!!!!
OK rant over you can turn your volume back up now  :D
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: BlessHisHeart on February 09, 2010, 05:44:23 PM
^^^I agree! Even if we find out definite proof that he's passed, I wanna find out WHY and HOW! DA TROOT!
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Grace on February 09, 2010, 05:49:37 PM
Quote from: "still beLIEve"
I´m very sad too.... this has been difficult since the beggining..... I can´t believe we went througt the memorial and you are loosing faith now.....

I mean.... what´s the point??? if we believe in a hoax the charges against Murray are logical... it has to do with it... he is not condemned yet....

And the autopsy... .my god.... it´s been realeased by a TABLOID!!! what is that your not understanding?????

I can´t believe Michael´s fans are buying tabloids!!! I just can´t put here in one post the horrible things they said about him all through his life.... there is no boundaries..... they can say anything... they can print anything..... even   a fake autopsy report!!! THE BIG PROBLEM HERE IS THAT YOU ARE BUYING IT!!

I AM SUPRISED YOU DON´T THINK HE IS A PEDOPHILE TOO......

I´m not saying we are completely sure that his is alive.... we never were.... but if we have to stop believing is has to be because of something official.... because the family says so.... or because the childrens says so.... NOT BECAUSE OF A TABLOID!
 :evil:

B.R.A.V.O.

NOTHING TO ADD
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 09, 2010, 05:53:13 PM
I too am still lurking.  I think he might be gone, but there is still cause to fight if he is.  The autopsy report mentions profofol being in the whites of Michael's eyes and his stomach.  However, how did it get there?  Intravenous is just that, in the vein.  For it to be anywhere else, and in those amounts, someone had to give him more, after his heart stopped beating.  Murray says he wasn't there and when he was he gave him one vial, but there were 5 other empty vials on the bedside table.  WHO IS IT?  Somebody re-started that drip,intentionally.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: tammaychick on February 09, 2010, 06:32:08 PM
i still have faith that michael is alive becasue they never showed his body in the casket at his memorial or at his funeral i this hope thing is fake unlike james brown funeral they show his body in a casket so i still have faith that the king of pop is still alive.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Venus on February 09, 2010, 06:37:24 PM
Quote from: "tammaychick"
i still have faith that michael is alive becasue they never showed his body in the casket at his memorial or at his funeral i this hope thing is fake unlike james brown funeral they show his body in a casket so i still have faith that the king of pop is still alive.

Would you like to be showed after 2 month? And especially if you are the biggest stat in the world who wanted to be remembered as young and beautiful?
And after all autopsies? They took tissues from each part of his body. I guess even from eyes.
Come on! No one would show anyone like that!
would you like your family member to be shown like that to public?
It's just ridiculous and disrespectful. And can you imagine how media would describe it?

Stop waiting for body to be shown. If they didn't show Michael after 2 autopsies and 2 month in fringe, there no need to explain why not.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Venus on February 09, 2010, 06:40:44 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
I too am still lurking.  I think he might be gone, but there is still cause to fight if he is.  The autopsy report mentions profofol being in the whites of Michael's eyes and his stomach.  However, how did it get there?  Intravenous is just that, in the vein.  For it to be anywhere else, and in those amounts, someone had to give him more, after his heart stopped beating.  Murray says he wasn't there and when he was he gave him one vial, but there were 5 other empty vials on the bedside table.  WHO IS IT?  Somebody re-started that drip,intentionally.


So we know these beautiful eyes were damaged during autopsy... :cry:

I trully believe that if he died it could be only murder! :evil:
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Serenitys_Dream on February 09, 2010, 06:40:59 PM
Before you lose all hope!
Check it out!!!
http://answerssought.blogspot.com/2010/02/hoax-me-fictional-tale.html  :lol:
Title: Re: I Think MJ LIVES and I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Its her on February 09, 2010, 10:35:12 PM
Hi...I think ...it would help if you all try HARD to learn this trick: and it IS work, sometimes---MJ has some excellent  :lol: "fabricators"  ;) spinning his tale for the WORLD of saps who dissed him and dismissed him for the last decade or so. That BS is a TALL tale, and not for US. He is the MASTER at this!!!!!!!! He did not die. I'm not certain how much danger he was in, ever, but I choose to not let it get to me thinking about it!!!

What EVER---he is ON TOP of it, now. Make NO mistake, when this is all over with, MJ will probably have the evil dirty-minded suspicious folk KISSING his tootsies in humble gratitude for what he is going to accomplish, here.  :cry:  :D

They will NOT be angry that he faked his death, when the TRUTH comes out. I think I got a tiny piece of what he is doing, and if it IS IT, he'll get to be something he's wanted with all his heart since he was very little: a genuine 8-)  8-)  8-)  hero, championing the innocent and the forgotten and the disrespected, and the neglected. I will post later on this, when I'm sure it won't be just a gossip or worse---WRONG :oops:  :roll: . I'm not trying to be coy. I don't want to jinx what I am guessing at. I watched Nancy Grace last night, and the entire thing was theatrical. SHE's all,  :evil:  :roll: "you know I know he just got away with that molestation, but still, you can't just kill someone with drugs..."---but she is lying through her teeth!!!! SHE's on his side, now!!!  ;)  :o  :lol: Just being a good you know what, for the hoax!!!Don't get wrapped up in MJ's web for THEM!!!

Only listen to what he has left (clues ;)  ;)  :o  :)  :D  8-)  ) for the ones he can't resist: US!!

I could be wrong, and I REALLY do not want to put any pressure on him ---especially if my dream of him is bigger than his :P  :lol: but, right now, I'm so proud of him, I could just burst, and I really want to savor this possiblity for a minute... There's just nothing like a REAL hero.

Imagine that fine form of his, and handsome face, unable to keep from fighting back tears (heck, we'll ALL be bawling!), when all this CRAP is behind him and he is decorated with a Congressional Medal of Honor AND the Nobel Peace Prize, for duties above and beyond the call of normal service to fellow countrymen. God has crowned him with supernatural (not occult)favor, and MJ, obedient and wise child of the Most High, knows exactly what to do with it!

I'll say this much: Michael has SO many people helping him with this, that if you believed it, it would BLOW your sox off your body!! Your mouth would drop open and you'd be in awe, like I am, just thinking about it. This many people, some of serious note,  KNOW something very worthwhile and serious is being done. Look at it as a STING. All the things we thought ...and even more!!  A badly needed change. And, just like he said: a MAJOR love.

Man.

Don't lose hope YET.

He IS alive, and he placed a backwards message on the TII song, which , in part, says he NEEDs us to help him. I couldn't understand what he meant---but someone will figure it out or clean up the track so we can all hear it plainly :)  ;)

Cheer up, girls!!!
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: tammaychick on February 09, 2010, 10:58:41 PM
when my aunt died her casket was open for her funeral she just died all of a sudden we didnt know she was sick at all/
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: letstalkagain on February 09, 2010, 11:36:04 PM
Ok so what every one forgets is....., if Sony did want MJ killed, so that they could acquire the catalog.  Since Michael has kids they would automatically get Michael's assets.
So why would they kill Michael and leave his kids, it still makes no sense !!
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Its her on February 10, 2010, 02:56:35 AM
Quote from: "letstalkagain"
Ok so what every one forgets is....., if Sony did want MJ killed, so that they could acquire the catalog.  Since Michael has kids they would automatically get Michael's assets.
So why would they kill Michael and leave his kids, it still makes no sense !!

Just to answer your question...
It is explained on the "Official" MJ site---even though it is sponsored by Sony (huh?), and seems to be a spy site, in order to keep a finger on the heartbeat of MJ's whereabouts and popularity... (They SUSPECT he's not dead, and DID this so as to not have to be their indentured servant for even another year.)

MJ borrowed money from Sony against  *Invincible's*  future revenue, and put the Catalogue up as collateral.

Sony pulled out of promoting that album, would not even let him release any singles for radio play and subsequent rise up the charts, and ALSO, would not let MJ put his voice or even one squeak, on any other artist's tracks, to supplement his income and pay off this debt. (This might be why MJ's vocals can't even now be used in the new version of We Are The World....?)

He refused to release anything new, because they were holding his contract or something hostage, beyond the date contracted for his ownership of his own work, and they were starving him out, so the loan would default and the Catalogue would automatically go to repay the debt: to Sony---even if he died.

This makes a little EVIL sense, and HOW DIRTY, too! but I don't understand WHY Sony was allowed to have anything to do with his movie, *TII* ?  Unless the entire thing was to repay that godforsaken debt with the devil!

I bet Mikey got a serious kick out of riddling that movie with secret clues, right under Sony's nose!!

They even merged MJ's Catalogue WITH Sony's, and renamed it (sorry, it escapes me, now) so MJ apparently could own part of Sony's, too, if he can STAND THAT marriage?

Does anyone know if this debt to Sony has been paid up? Is everyone friendly, now, that TII has made them rich? Or does Sony still have a boot on his neck?  Don't they know what happens to people who muss one hair on a child of God?????? Yet another reason to STICK AROUND, girls!
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Grace on February 10, 2010, 03:02:07 AM
One of the many aspects "why the hoax" may be the deadline when contracts are running out and MJ may spread his wings again and fly. Meanwhile the money comes in to finally pay the obligations.

One of the aspects.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: llebreknit on February 10, 2010, 03:08:41 AM
It would be better for all of us to accept his death and begin to investigate what really happened.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: onemorechance on February 10, 2010, 03:15:48 AM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "the_gloved_one"
i have to admit i also think that Michael has passed, the autopsy report was the closure i needed - it confirmed a lot for me. I think deep down i knew that he was gone but I've been in denial for so long. All i know is that Michael is in a better place...a place free from pain. If the clues and inconsistencies don't point to the hoax than there's something even more dark and sinister going on and we need to figure it out!
You said it....Just ask yourself these questions
-Frank Deleo (spelling?) was with him on the bad tour, Murray said MJ told him he used propofol when he was on the bad tour!
-Frank was fired by MJ and stated that he didn't know why.  He came out of RETIREMENT to be on this gig and is almost blind from medical conditions!
-Murray has 45 minutes worth of phone records before the call to the ambulance, the last one being 20 minutes before the ambulance arrives.  Propofol is short acting and the amount that he claimed to have given him, would have been out of his system in the time that he was on the phone.  If he was away from the phone, someone had to have given MJ the amount that killed him.-as far as I know, the security tapes from that time are gone and the only thing giving Murray an alibi, are those phone calls.  I say alibi because I think he is going to argue that there is no way he could have administered the drug while he was on the phone and the time of death (MJ had fixed and dilated pupils when ambulance came)  will show that it was administered within that time frame of murray being on the phone.
-the ambulance took MJ to the hospital and performed CPR at Murrays request even though he was already gone, Murray had to get him to a place where other doctors would see MJ and the condition of his body and see that he had just passed, within the 45 minutes of phone calls.
anyone have any thoughts to add?
Very good observation!!!
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Grace on February 10, 2010, 03:54:42 AM
Don't forget that the ambulance picture had EXIF data indicating it was taken BEFORE the ambulance left the house and the photographers gathered around it.
Either camera settings in a professional paparazzi equiment were wrong or falsified in the picture or the picture was really taken in advance.
And remember MJ looked shaved in the pic whereas timeline would propose that nobody even had any second time to think of such a negligibility while fighting for a life.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: ILuvUMoreMJ on February 10, 2010, 04:35:25 AM
Well I have only ever been 50/50 on whether he's alive or not, but now that number is very low for me, maybe 2%.  There is just way too much hard evidence now to suggest he really died, and it really kills me to say that, you have no idea. :(  I do think it's possible he was murdered, although it could have easily been horrible negligence too.  Either way, I want to be here because I like you guys ;)  and I want to find the truth.  I think there will always be a part of me that will hold out some hope though, however small that is.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Datroot on February 10, 2010, 04:37:22 AM
Quote from: "ILuvUMoreMJ"
Well I have only ever been 50/50 on whether he's alive or not, but now that number is very low for me, maybe 2%.  There is just way too much hard evidence now to suggest he really died, and it really kills me to say that, you have no idea. :(  I do think it's possible he was murdered, although it could have easily been horrible negligence too.  Either way, I want to be here because I like you guys ;)  and I want to find the truth.  I think there will always be a part of me that will hold out some hope though, however small that is.

For me, there is way too much hard evidence that he is alive.
 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Confused on February 10, 2010, 04:43:24 AM
I hope TMZ will talk to Dr. Klein again. He seems a bit of a blabbermouth and last time he was on TMZ he talked about the IV's and said some interesting things about it. Harvey did not even follow up on the things he said which was very odd. Anyway..I'm trying to say that we here don't know everything about the autopsy and his overall health since we don't know how to interpret the information.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: the arabian nights on February 10, 2010, 02:54:45 PM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Before you lose all hope!
Check it out!!!
http://answerssought.blogspot.com/2010/02/hoax-me-fictional-tale.html  :lol:
thanks this has helped

but there was some mention that this was not the real mj, some double who was a deaths door, so any clues about this?
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Raven on February 10, 2010, 03:09:28 PM
Quote from: "Venus"
Quote from: "tammaychick"
i still have faith that michael is alive becasue they never showed his body in the casket at his memorial or at his funeral i this hope thing is fake unlike james brown funeral they show his body in a casket so i still have faith that the king of pop is still alive.

Would you like to be showed after 2 month? And especially if you are the biggest stat in the world who wanted to be remembered as young and beautiful?
And after all autopsies? They took tissues from each part of his body. I guess even from eyes.
Come on! No one would show anyone like that!
would you like your family member to be shown like that to public?
It's just ridiculous and disrespectful. And can you imagine how media would describe it?

Stop waiting for body to be shown. If they didn't show Michael after 2 autopsies and 2 month in fringe, there no need to explain why not.
Since supposedly some members of the family and even his children saw him, even right before the memorial, it would suggest he was reasonably presentable at the time.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Venus on February 10, 2010, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "Venus"
Quote from: "tammaychick"
i still have faith that michael is alive becasue they never showed his body in the casket at his memorial or at his funeral i this hope thing is fake unlike james brown funeral they show his body in a casket so i still have faith that the king of pop is still alive.

Would you like to be showed after 2 month? And especially if you are the biggest stat in the world who wanted to be remembered as young and beautiful?
And after all autopsies? They took tissues from each part of his body. I guess even from eyes.
Come on! No one would show anyone like that!
would you like your family member to be shown like that to public?
It's just ridiculous and disrespectful. And can you imagine how media would describe it?

Stop waiting for body to be shown. If they didn't show Michael after 2 autopsies and 2 month in fringe, there no need to explain why not.
Since supposedly some members of the family and even his children saw him, even right before the memorial, it would suggest he was reasonably presentable at the time.

I think you can't compare how family take the picture and how nasty paps would do it. By the way, I don't think (if he passed :oops: ) they showed him to anyone after 2 month. Maybe on memorial, but not funeral.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Grace on February 10, 2010, 03:17:37 PM
Don't forget that his face was "damaged by CPR".
 :o  :!:  :?:  :P  :twisted:  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: CC on February 10, 2010, 03:29:32 PM
what if... (here I go again...)
I think someone dies that day in that house, i don´t think that person was mj at all, i think some friend very sick was there and MJ was helping him, maybe this person have a terminal illness, maybe was his impersonator, a real impersonator who lives with MJ and sometimes take his place to meke him free for the public eye. remember that picture out of the clinic at beverly hills (MJJpictures)the days before of the 25? remember the ear of this person? with that mask on his face? i think that this person wasn´t MJ.
maybe this person lies in that house with the family, maybe CM knows that wasn't MJ who dies but really dies of propofol over dose and was an accident even if the person have a terminal illness...
sorry for my english! do you know what i mean? LOVE
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Grace on February 10, 2010, 04:55:05 PM
CC, well observed. I get several pictures not out of my mind - the one you are citing is one of them and nobody could explain the mangled ear to me, to date. Maybe Arnie Klein is a miracle doc, but I do not know how one could and would build up an ear again (which is not necessarily required either when remaining hidden under long wigs). And it does look different as such, doesn't it?

This is MJ:

[attachment=1:1jxuv6qg]0001095208-38036L.jpg[/attachment:1jxuv6qg]

And this is MJ said leaving a Beverly Hills physician's house in 2009:

[attachment=0:1jxuv6qg]michael-jacksons-ear_2.jpg[/attachment:1jxuv6qg]
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Raven on February 10, 2010, 05:03:35 PM
This particular picture of the ear was strange indeed, it looks totally different. In later recordings, for instance the This Is It video, the ear appears normal again. Also it does not seem to be folded by something wrapped around the ear.
Keep in mind though, fingerprints were taken of the person in the autopsy report so that makes a body switch unlikely.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: mjgirl86 on February 10, 2010, 05:05:40 PM
There's a lot that isn't adding up.. and we need the real answers to what has happened... I also thought it could've been something dark and terrible, on the borderline of murder maybe.. and if that's the case, I damn sure want to know who did it.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 10, 2010, 05:09:43 PM
In that picture,  Michael looks worried about something.  DAMMIT,  what happened.  I need to know.  This is killing me.  Look at his eyes, OMG, so sad.  :cry:   (leaving dr ofc pic 2009 - the ear)
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 10, 2010, 05:12:49 PM
On a lighter note, that looks like the work of Mike Tyson :lol:

Sorry, couldn't help it if I wanted to.  I couldn't help it evenn if I tried. :lol:
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on February 10, 2010, 05:19:23 PM
dont forget that klein said michael was in his office saying goodbye to everyone in the office. people that he normally doesnt speak to, he was actually saying goodbye to everyone in the office. now why would he be saying goodbye ??? :?:
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 10, 2010, 05:25:33 PM
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]dont forget that klein said michael was in his office saying goodbye to everyone in the office. people that he normally doesnt speak to, he was actually saying goodbye to everyone in the office. now why would he be saying goodbye ??? :?:

I remember that.  Did Michael get some bad news?  I feel like I wanna cry now :?
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 10, 2010, 05:29:47 PM
Okay, I want this to be over now.  I need to know that Michael is okay, dead or alive.  If he is alive and very ill, I  think we should know that too.  Certainly we could send letter or flowers or something to cheer him up to let him know we love him.  God, this is worrying me now.  WAS MICHAEL ILL, SERIOUSLY ILL :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: whateverhappens on February 10, 2010, 05:35:37 PM
Quote from: "CC"
what if... (here I go again...)
I think someone dies that day in that house, i don´t think that person was mj at all, i think some friend very sick was there and MJ was helping him, maybe this person have a terminal illness, maybe was his impersonator, a real impersonator who lives with MJ and sometimes take his place to meke him free for the public eye. remember that picture out of the clinic at beverly hills (MJJpictures)the days before of the 25? remember the ear of this person? with that mask on his face? i think that this person wasn´t MJ.
maybe this person lies in that house with the family, maybe CM knows that wasn't MJ who dies but really dies of propofol over dose and was an accident even if the person have a terminal illness...
sorry for my english! do you know what i mean? LOVE

sorry to say that for the person that might have died ,
but for me it would be an explanation that i could live with
i do not want to offend anyone by stating this
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: truthprevails on February 10, 2010, 06:26:51 PM
I don't think a body switch is likely, because MJ was probably identified by more than comparison to his driver's license (I would find that dubious!) and moreover the autopsy report identified discoloration on the body due to vitiligo.  An impersonator would probably not have that?!

Regarding the fact that TMZ released the autopsy report:
There's a video somewhere on mjtruthnow.com about the "medialoid" that says that tabloids have sources inside the police - and possibly other institutions.  I recall reading that TMZ gets "scoops" precisely because it has connections in the right places and pays to get info (even someone on this forum said that)... I find that plausible.

Sorry, I think this is the real deal.  :cry:
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Truth_Freedom on February 10, 2010, 08:57:12 PM
What if it was suicide as TMZ first reported and then quickly changed.

Google it Michael Jackson Suicide TMZ and see what comes up. Suicide was TMZ's FIRST report.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: virgo75 on February 10, 2010, 09:04:11 PM
I don't know about suicide because if Michael was asleep when Dr. Murray left the room then he wouldn't have been able to administer an additional dosage.  I'm also pretty sure Dr. Murray would have said this if it was the case to clear his own name instead of being charged with involuntary manslaughter or anything else.

Also about the autopsy:

I think it's 100% Michael Jackson.
My question is:

Was it Michael Jackson after he died or alive?

I feel that *if* this is all just a hoax that he would have all of this information included to PROVE that it was really him who "died."
Even the embarassing and personal things just to be sure that any doctors that examined him prior or anyone that knew him intimately that weren't in on it, would believe it to be true....
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Truth_Freedom on February 10, 2010, 09:11:15 PM
Michael Jackson -- Cardiac Arrest | TMZ.comJun 25, 2009 ... In what appears to be an apparent suicide, musician Michael Jackson was pronounced dead as a result of cardiac arrest after consuming more ...
www.tmz.com (http://www.tmz.com) › Paparazzi Photo - Cached - Similar


Google search...I don't know why this was changed.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: CC on February 10, 2010, 09:13:22 PM
Quote from: "virgo75"
I feel that *if* this is all just a hoax that he would have all of this information included to PROVE that it was really him who "died."
Even the embarassing and personal things just to be sure that any doctors that examined him prior or anyone that knew him intimately that weren't in on it, would believe it to be true....

that is what he has done! just a few think that he is alive, the doctors, the coroners, all believe that he died!
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: CC on February 10, 2010, 09:35:34 PM
Quote from: "Grace"
CC, well observed. I get several pictures not out of my mind - the one you are citing is one of them and nobody could explain the mangled ear to me, to date. Maybe Arnie Klein is a miracle doc, but I do not know how one could and would build up an ear again (which is not necessarily required either when remaining hidden under long wigs). And it does look different as such, doesn't it?

This is MJ:

[attachment=2:2d9j0c6s]0001095208-38036L.jpg[/attachment:2d9j0c6s]

And this is MJ said leaving a Beverly Hills physician's house in 2009:

[attachment=1:2d9j0c6s]michael-jacksons-ear_2.jpg[/attachment:2d9j0c6s]

that´s the picture
and look at this, this is MJ
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: mykidsmum on February 10, 2010, 09:38:36 PM
Quote from: "letstalkagain"
Ok so what every one forgets is....., if Sony did want MJ killed, so that they could acquire the catalog.  Since Michael has kids they would automatically get Michael's assets.
So why would they kill Michael and leave his kids, it still makes no sense !!
because if he is dead, they just make money off of royalties, copy rights and re releases...which they have...TONS!  I just bought 2 epic (division of Sony) cd's of MJ...
-MJ was gonna attempt a comeback, which would mean he would have enough money to hold on to the catalog (no chance of needing to sell it) and any further music he would make would be under a new label...money lost for Sony...but...If he is dead, they cash in on all his old stuff and everything they own...they don't need the catalog...for now.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: CC on February 10, 2010, 09:49:41 PM
and look at this, this is MJ on june 4th!
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: darkchild on February 10, 2010, 09:59:56 PM
Quote from: "tammaychick"
i still have faith that michael is alive becasue they never showed his body in the casket at his memorial or at his funeral i this hope thing is fake unlike james brown funeral they show his body in a casket so i still have faith that the king of pop is still alive.

@tammaychick, Excellent point! That is exactly what I think!
I only saw the death photo of MJ like the rest of the world!
I think MJ is still alive! :D
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: voiceforthesilent on February 10, 2010, 10:01:31 PM
Quote from: "CC"
and look at this, this is MJ on june 4th!

He looked quite well on June 4th, didn't he?
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: darkchild on February 10, 2010, 10:07:12 PM
Quote from: "CC"
and look at this, this is MJ on june 4th!
Wow, MJ just looks as healthy as can being!  Plus, he looks just gorgeous as can be!  ;)
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: CC on February 10, 2010, 10:11:10 PM
i don´t think this is the same at the ambulance picture at least! maybe the one leaving the beverly hills clinic... but not MJ!  ;)
REMEMBER HE HAD A MEDICAL EXAMINATION FOR 5 HOURS AT LONDON (I THINK) BECASUE OF THE INSURANCES OF THE 50 SHOWS AND PASSED THE EXAMINATION WITH HONORS! LOL! AND ABOUT THE INSURANCES... NO ONE CLAIM THOSE, NO? ;)
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: voiceforthesilent on February 10, 2010, 10:12:29 PM
Quote from: "llebreknit"
It would be better for all of us to accept his death and begin to investigate what really happened.

I thought we are investigating what happened - good or bad? I believe the truth will prevail in the end. We just need to keep our eyes open, document what we see, not be led by media lies and, as Michael has said, "don't believe everything you read or hear". That means we need to investigate and come to our own conclusions and I think many are brilliant at doing just that.  I'm enjoying this adventure and I hope it leads us to a happy ending. There are just too many strange things to brush it off as coincidence. Have faith. Blessings.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: tammaychick on February 10, 2010, 10:29:18 PM
thanks darkchild
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: teardrop on February 10, 2010, 11:48:10 PM
Quote from: "Inhalib"
Is so sad for me seeing all this people giving up on him.. leaving all this hard work behind... It makes me wonder if I'm too blind to see the obvious or if the others are just not so strong to keep believing what once was the truth for them..
I still believe that MJ is alive, He didn't died on 25/6... there are just so many odd things that I'm not buying the daeth story yet.. is not enough for me! I've seen in two days so many things that makes me believe that he could still be alive than things that makes me believe the opposite.
You and I shall make a pact, we must bring salvation back, and where there is love.. i'll be there  I have accepted that pact, and I said to myself that I wouldnt forgive myself if I not try to show people why I am a believer.. maybe is time to do the work again with the believers that are loosing their faith. PM me if you wanna talk ;)

lots lots loooots of L.O.V.E!! use your heart, your intelect... are those two telling you that he is dead? are they agree with your eyes?... or are they telling you that all this odd things means something? .. only time will tell my friend, I'm still waiting :)

sorry for my english

ME2 :)
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Raven on February 11, 2010, 04:34:59 AM
Quote from: "virgo75"
Also about the autopsy:

I think it's 100% Michael Jackson.
My question is:

Was it Michael Jackson after he died or alive?

I feel that *if* this is all just a hoax that he would have all of this information included to PROVE that it was really him who "died."
Even the embarassing and personal things just to be sure that any doctors that examined him prior or anyone that knew him intimately that weren't in on it, would believe it to be true....
I have considered this too. For instance, if it was a murder attempt and they managed to resuscitate him in the hospital and then decided to put him under official protection (e.g., a WPP), the medical files and (toxicology) reports could have served to forge a dummy autopsy report for public viewing. It would not have been Michael who arranged or planned that, but officials. The suspect (Murray) could have been charged and prosecuted with such medical files/reports (the real ones, not a dummy autopsy report ofcourse) as investigative evidence for attempted murder.
However a lot of the tests and acts in the autopsy report could not have been performed on a live person. Also there was no indication when Murray was charged that it concerned medical files/reports instead of an autopsy report, i.e. that the charges were "attempted murder" instead of "involuntary manslaughter". Then again, the charges were not read out loud.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: Raven on February 11, 2010, 06:07:48 AM
May I remind anyone that there is a open-source schematic map+timeline available at: Michael Jackson Death Investigation @ Debategraph (http://debategraph.org/Stream.aspx?mid=1504)
Everyone is welcome to enter data, ideas or scenario's, and evidence/sources concerning this case.
Title: Re: I Think MJ Passed but I'm Sticking Around, Here's Why!
Post by: the arabian nights on February 15, 2010, 11:24:39 AM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Hi everyone, I want to say to everyone who believes that MJ may have passed and is thinking about leaving...DON'T.  The fact of the matter is, I believe there is something far more sinister going on then just Dr. Murray and an injection.  The autopsy result states that there was enough Propofol in MJ's system as someone who is undergoing MAJOR surgery.  This clearly differs from Dr. Murray's statement of the amount he injected MJ with.  If Murray was away from the room on the phone like reccords indicate, someone could have easily gotten access to him and done him in.
-Don't forget MJ feared for his safety, was afraid to eat for fear of poisoning by another and told some people that if he should die, look into these people.
-AEG has changed their story on MJ's health since the release of TII.  Kenney Ortega went from cutting MJ's chicken and begging him to eat, to being on the receiving end of an estate that has grossed over 100 million since MJ'd death.  He changed his story to MJ was healthy and tip top shape.
-Sony wanted MJ's Catalog and with MJ dead...
-There was NO way MJ would do 50 shows, his health (lungs in particular) couldn't have allowed it, so, he was worth more dead than alive.
-Even if they parade MJ's dead body down Main St. for all of us to see, the fact is we all have something in common, we appreciate MJ and we know something fishy is going on...for those reasons we all need to stick around.
so whats your view now after the dramas of the grammys, cm in court and the AR?
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