Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: bliss1712 on February 11, 2010, 04:11:47 PM
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Samantha De Gosson (Karen Faye's friend) has just posted on facebook proof that the ambulance picture is a fake!! They used a picture with another patient and changed the face!! So there you go!! We were right it is fake........what we don't know is if he was actually in an ambulance or not in the first place, or whether they were just trying to make money off the picture because their original shot did not turn out mmmmmmmmmmmm
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have you got the proof?? :shock:
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http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?pi ... =579028960 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?pid=3479335&id=579028960)
She says this is the one that was used, but Karen Faye is saying the picture is real?????? Not sure who to believe now...
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I've just gone to have a look and those 2 pics she uses were originally posted on this and the other hoax forum. It was discussed here at length. In fact she got them from the MJKIT forum.
Wonder why she is on these sites or at least posting info from them. Are they starting to have doubts too?
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Well guys, if Samantha starts to have doubts about the ambulance pic... here we go ;)
I just want to add that I respect so much the non believers fans, because they really love Michael as strongly as we do... they are only on an opposite side :)
We are all Michael's fans, I wish there would'nt be no "wars" between us...
(They may say I'm a dreamer ... :geek: 8-) )
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Well guys, if Samantha starts to have doubts about the ambulance pic... here we go ;)
I just want to add that I respect so much the non believers fans, because they really love Michael as strongly as we do... they are only on an opposite side :)
We are all Michael's fans, I wish there would'nt be no "wars" between us...
(They may say I'm a dreamer ... :geek: 8-) )
Agree.. i guess they are scared to look on the other side...
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Sorry guys, I didn't know that this had been posted before. Thanks for not giving me a hard time about it though. It's my first post for months. I usually just read and digest all the information. You are all one step ahead of me anyway LOL I find it strange too that Samantha is bringing this up now after all these months and Karen urged all her fans to follow Samantha. And why do they both think differently. Karen says it is real and Sam says its fake!! You would think they would say the same things don't you think!!
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Yes, because "our" side can be really, really scary sometimes... the "he's gone" side is heartbreaking, but ours can be really scary.... do you get what I mean?
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Sorry guys, I didn't know that this had been posted before. Thanks for not giving me a hard time about it though. It's my first post for months. I usually just read and digest all the information. You are all one step ahead of me anyway LOL I find it strange too that Samantha is bringing this up now after all these months and Karen urged all her fans to follow Samantha. And why do they both think differently. Karen says it is real and Sam says its fake!! You would think they would say the same things don't you think!!
Yes you're right, this opposite opinion between Samantha & Karen makes everything getting odder... But I think it's a good sign of how we're not wrong... :P
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Samantha does not have any doubts cause she think he is dead
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Samantha does not have any doubts cause she think he is dead
Yeah I know. She's not having doubts that Michael is dead, but she is having doubts of the authenticity of things. Her doubts are not with regards to a hoax being pulled off........ well not yet anyway :)
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So let me get this straight that someone who knows KF doubts the authencity of the MJ ambulance photo???? Wow, that is a killer to me. Can someone post the photos that she is talking about from the MJKIT site. I have seen the cut and paste photo of MJ from the BAD era that someone from this site showsthat the ambulance photo was not a current photo of MJ, ie a fake! The photo matched perfectly over the Evenstad photo of MJ's face in the ambulance photo. Thanks in Advance!
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Here you go.
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This is from her FB page. Sorry about the sizing of this and the last one, I can't figure out how to enlarge stuff that I've snipped.
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I have not seen the (evidence 1) pic, yet. Can someone post the a higher res image, so I may have a look? Thank you.
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I have seen that picture posted and frankly, I don't think it looks close enough to be the one used. Another member recently posted another picture of Michael that was much closer to the ambulance pic. But, the whole idea that Samantha is questioning this is a good sign. Particularly, with the events of this week, non-believers who are questioning the authenticity of the events surrounding June 25 and since, help me to keep the faith! And, I must say, after the events of this week, it has been getting harder for me. :(
L.O.V.E.
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http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?pid=3479335&id=579028960
She says this is the one that was used, but Karen Faye is saying the picture is real?????? Not sure who to believe now...
I just went there and it said the content is not available to view?? They took it down already?
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Well guys, if Samantha starts to have doubts about the ambulance pic... here we go ;)
I just want to add that I respect so much the non believers fans, because they really love Michael as strongly as we do... they are only on an opposite side :)
We are all Michael's fans, I wish there would'nt be no "wars" between us...
(They may say I'm a dreamer ... :geek: 8-) )
Really...we're all on the same side, right? The best interest of Michael. It's just that we have different opinions on the details of what really happened. Did this Samantha know Michael well or just Karen?
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She's just posted more stuff. Here's a shot of it.
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What Samantha is saying is that the picture was photoshoped for money. She knows Michael is dead and she has no doubts about it.
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What Samantha is saying is that the picture was photoshoped for money. She knows Michael is dead and she has no doubts about it.
Yeah I know she thinks he is dead. It's interesting though that only now after all the months she is looking at the pics and saying they are fake when all the hoax sites have been claiming the same thing for months.
Why now is she only considering them fake. She would of seen the original ambulance pic back in June and could of disputed it then, since the pictures of her with Michael and the pic in the ambulance don't even look the same. That ambulance pic has always looked like MJ from earlier years.
Be interesting to see what she puts up next.
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Samantha De Gosson (Karen Faye's friend) has just posted on facebook proof that the ambulance picture is a fake!! They used a picture with another patient and changed the face!! So there you go!! We were right it is fake........what we don't know is if he was actually in an ambulance or not in the first place, or whether they were just trying to make money off the picture because their original shot did not turn out mmmmmmmmmmmm
well this person seems to have an opinion...however why can she get the "real" pictures then? i mean of the person who's been photoshoped out and replaced with MJ?
couse these pics that she is showing are from MJHD and MJKIT-sites and memebers.
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She's just posted more stuff. Here's a shot of it.
What happened in 1985? I had read reports that he actually passed away in 1985 but don't know what to believe.
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can someone tell me where is the face or in what possition is that man staying?
i cant figure it out
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Lots of people are starting to wake up to the clues and inconsistencies that we have already found.
At first they laughed at us, and karen banned any hoax believer from her facebook page... but now they are using our research and starting to realise we were onto something in the beginning.
I always knew that this forum holds the key to the truth./
We cant stop, we must continue.
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I guess it's easier for some people to believe there is a cover up on a murder than Michael actually hoaxing all of this himself. :?
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Is it true that she's Karen's friend ? Then that's quite awesome that she's a believer...Did she knew Michael personnally too ?
But really...she's posting the on from MJkit..
So that's nothing new...or could it be that she's also the member who posted it on these forums ?? :D I know there is no way..but maybe,maybe
And if she's her friend,maybe she heard Karen mention the hoax,and started to have doubt !
I read on a forum that she's the leader or TINI,right ? Weren't these girls protesting against "the abuse" Michael suffered because of the O2 concerts ?
They're not believers right ? They're quite the opposite,right ?
you always said that the TINI girls were convinced of the death of Michael, and Samantha was their leader ...
It's the same Samantha right ? Doesn't it sound weird that someone who lead a group of girls that are convinces Michael was abused and died,
Go to our forum(not our but hoax directed one) and post these kind of pics on Facebook ? What do you think
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This is from her FB page. Sorry about the sizing of this and the last one, I can't figure out how to enlarge stuff that I've snipped.
Thank you Happy Feet. The piccy of Samantha sparked my memory. I saw her piccy with MJ on the This Is Not It site.
I have included her testimony from the site.
http://www.this-is-not-it.com/en/testim ... imony.html (http://www.this-is-not-it.com/en/testimonies/49-samanthas-testimony.html)
Samantha's testimony
Last Updated on Friday, 09 October 2009 20:14
Tuesday, 06 October 2009 16:24
I don’t know where to begin with my testimony. There is simply too much to say and so many feelings involved, feelings of sadness, regret, anger, confusion and helplessness. However, I need to share my story with the rest of you, for what it’s worth. It won’t bring Michael back and the vultures around him will keep fighting for whatever is left of him and his estate. This campaign we are putting together isn’t to try and stop the unstoppable, but to simply do Michael justice by telling who we can that he wasn’t well and that he DID reach out to us and that we owe him at least the truth by telling you what he told and showed us in th elast few weeks of his life. Whether he expressed his anguish and distress in words or in obvious physical and mental states, I believe (and I am not alone) that he was crying out for help and no-one around him came to his rescue, blinded by greed, fear, self-interest, disregard or even lack of compassion.
I have been a fan for over 20 years but only over the last 8 months of Michael’s life had I become what is called a “follower”. By that meaning I followed Michael on a regular if not daily basis. I got to see where he went and how he was and the people around him. I got to see his physical and mental state and how quickly things deteriorated in the last few weeks/months of his life. This is my recollection of the events preceding his death and how some of us, including myself, knew he was running out of time and was in great danger. We tried to intervene but we were too late.
In November 2008, Michael who was then staying at the Bel-Air hotel, met with a group of us outside and spoke to us for quite a while and he was kind enough to bring us food from his favorite restaurant which he had ordered for himself too that evening. He looked great and was very calm, very clear and lucid. There was obviously nothing “wrong” with him that evening. He spoke to us about many things and hinted at many projects coming up. At that time we had no idea that concerts were in the works. In the next few weeks Michael had many meetings at that hotel, meetings which now we know were about the Tour.
After the 02 concerts were announced in March, Michael began rehearsing at Center Staging between April and May. It is around that we started seeing a pattern in the increased visits to Dr. Klein’s office. The increase in visits and their duration began to alarm me and some others, especially when we began noticing the effects they had on him. He would start leaving the facility looking "groggy". We began realizing the procedures must have involved mind-altering substances.
It reached the point where some of us commented that it was pointless to give him fan letters and gifts after doctor’s visits as he would just send them back out signed, even though they were clearly letters addressed to him and not pictures from autograph hunters.
Something alarmed me more than usual on Saturday, April 25th,2009. It was the first time Michael went to see Dr. Klein on a week-end and it was late. He stayed there from 5pm-9.30pm.
When he came out from Klein’s office Michael smelled very strongly of I would say either rubbing alcohol or Ether and looked groggy.
On May 29th, Michael brought some of us in to Center Staging to talk to us about what was going on (after some fans told him they couldn’t get tickets to the concerts and how the ticket sales didn’t make sense and how things seemed to be a mess and was he aware of it). He told us he wasn’t aware of the problem, that he wasn’t aware that it was a seated venue and that he would do something about it. He told us he had gone to bed thinking it was 10 concerts and woke up finding out it was 50! He said “They did it without my consent. They just did it for obvious reasons”. He added “They did the schedule wrong too. It was supposed to be day, show off, day, show off, day, show off”. (He meant show, day off, show, day off).
His voice was breaking as he was going to start crying and he put his hands together in a prayer position and stood quietly. We were quiet with him. It was a very intense moment and filled with, in my opinion, sadness and worry.
I left feeling like our worries were validated and so did most of us there.
Unfortunately, the day after Michael made this statement it came out in the press. We don't know, but AEG was quick to refute it and call it a lie.
This also coincides with the timing of everything changing for the small group of us who used to have open contact with Michael.
After AEG found out about Michael’s statement to us everything changed.
Security shut us out and Michael stopped being as “available”.
With restricted access (although we still saw got to see him and somewhat speak to him) the doctor’s visits became more frequent and we noticed more of a physical change in him, especially his weight. He just looked too skinny and something felt wrong overall. Even his security guards’ attitudes and ways changed.
On June 1st Michael started rehearsals at the Forum in Inglewood
A couple of weeks into it, Michael Amir (Michael’s personal assistant and security) said that Michael was very tired, that he hadn't slept the entire week-end and that AEG kept on calling him all the time.
It was around that time that Michael would go to rehearsals later and later and sometimes cancel.
One of those times was on June 12th. Michael went late to rehearsals. On arrival there he didn’t stop for us the way he usually did. Shortly afterward his security came to see where we were, driving by our cars a block away where we usually parked and waited. They made no attempt to tell us what they were doing. This was about 8-9pm. At around midnight one of his security guards called “Biggie”, came out and told us: “Michael says this is “dangerous” (?!) and that “Michael didn’t want to go to rehearsals tonight”, “he’s tired”. And then we were asked to line up one by one and that we would get to have 15 seconds each alone with Michael. It all felt awkward for all of us involved. We didn’t understand what was going on but of course we did line up and had our time individually. It was very impersonal and we were being closely monitored by his security.
In the last few days of Michael’s life I also remember noticing his security guard Alberto Alvarez often looking very agitated and breaking into a nervous sweat. He would tell us, when questioning him on whether Michael was okay or not, that Michael was “focused” and in “tour mode” and not actually answering the question. Yet we could see it was more than that, that Michael had become increasingly altered, groggy and emaciated and that his security was nervous about something. In fact, instead of having 2-3 guards behind the gates at his house, it doubled and tripled and I even counted up to 12 of them on the night he died.
Something was up, something had changed and we knew it was time to act.
In an attempt to do an intervention to save his life, a couple of dozen fans (including myself) wrote letters to Michael the week before his death. It was out intention to give him the letters and to make a statement on behalf of all the fans who felt something was wrong.
We knew it was a matter of time before he died unless an action was taken. No-one else around him seemed to care enough to do it. Once all the letters were collected and a plan was in place, we decided to intervene on June 24th, 2009.
We did in fact manage to get them in his hands that afternoon. That night would be the last time I’d see him, leaving Staples Center at around 1.30 am on June 25th,2009.
This was my letter to him:
“Michael,
I have admired and loved you since the age of 14 when you first saved my life. You have kept saving it throughout the years, as blunt and odd as it may sound to someone who doesn’t even “know” me. You kept me going and gave me hope and strength.
Now it’s my turn, all of our turns, to reach out to YOU and tell you we’re here or you and that we want to help.
Please understand we love you so much we can’t afford to lose you. You mean so much it hurts to see you unhappy the way we have seen you for a while, as hard as you’ve tried to hide it. We feel and see something is wrong.
Michael, don’t ever do anything you DON’T want to do, whether it be concerts or anything-else people want you to do to make money.
Don’t let anyone or anything stress you to the point where you lose sleep, worry or do whatever else that ultimately affects your health. None of it is worth it and you don’t need to prove yourself.
You’ve paid your dues, more than once.
I need you and love you so deeply and truly, we all do.
Samantha”
Finally I want to end this by making something very clear. I am not saying Michael seemed high or groggy all the time. I want that to be understood. We did NOT perceive him as a junkie. We were just concerned (during a certain period of time) that he was too stressed and too pressured to be able to eat and function without medication and that people around him knew he was unwell and chose to close their eyes for profit, and God knows what other reason. But I know what I saw and I know it wasn’t a healthy, happy, fit man ready to go onstage less than 3 weeks later, and they know it too. It’s time for the truth to come out.
Samantha
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I have seen that picture posted and frankly, I don't think it looks close enough to be the one used. Another member recently posted another picture of Michael that was much closer to the ambulance pic. But, the whole idea that Samantha is questioning this is a good sign. Particularly, with the events of this week, non-believers who are questioning the authenticity of the events surrounding June 25 and since, help me to keep the faith! And, I must say, after the events of this week, it has been getting harder for me. :(
L.O.V.E.
@Liberian Girl, yes you are correct! A member on this site posted a Bad Era of MJ that was closer to the ambulance photo. The member's cut and paste photo fit directly over the MJ face on the Evenstad photo. I wish I could find that post on the site again. If someone finds it please put up the link. I wonder why if Samantha knows that MJ is "dead for sure" that why is she coming to a site like this. That is what does not make sense to me. I am just an ordinary person who loved MJ. I have never met him in real life. She met him in real life! :shock: Wow, what it must have been like to see MJ in real life and have your piccy taken with him. I would have fainted for sure! :oops: :oops: :oops: I have posted her TINI testimony of her encounter of being a MJ follower. I cannot believe how easy it was to met MJ. That is blowing my mind! :shock:
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She discussed this pic with Karen before posting it. I think something must of gone down as apparently when you read the comments left by others it looks as if they had debated the issue. Karen claims the pic is of Michael, but then further down another poster says "Karen just said the pic it was Michael faces" or something in those lines.
I'm following a bit to see how that goes between those two. If Karen keeps pushing the photo is legit or if they have any further disagreements, I think that might be good for us. Karen pushing the "dead" MJ, I've always believed that's her job.
Could be wrong :lol:
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@Happy Feet, keep watch the dueling pistols on FB. Sounds quite interesting! God bless you, Happy Feet! :D I will be interested to hear and to see how the gunsmoke settles! ;)
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I think Samantha is making the statement that the ambulance picture is fake as she is a believer of a murder cover up.. she is saying the picture is fake as MJ was dead long before the ambulance took him away and that MJ looks to healthy in it so they faked a picture to make people believe the story that was being told and also to make money for the press.
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I have looked at this photo up close on photoshop and the head has been smudged and I dont know why its being said that this is a different person and they put his face on it. I know photo shop very well and the pixels on the head do not match the pixels on the rest of the surrounding pic. Therefor this is the same photo but someone had smudge the face to make it look as if it was the first pic, but it did not work lol . Sorry I dont mean to sound rude but this is all blown out of context . Saying this , I dont think the photo we all have seen is a true pic , it all looked staged and to perfect also considering the angle the guy has taken the picks from the outside of the van.
If Michael has past then we need to get justice for his murder / wrongful death and we need to expose AGL Live and SONY for the bastards that they are. There is to much going on on this from the movie This is it and his death . I truly believe that IF Michael was killed then this was set up by SONY ( The people behind the brand ) you know who they be!
Two many people had a lot of Money on MJ and did not want to lose it, Only if they had done 10 show's we would have still had Michael with us. But like I said He might still be with us.
I dont know , I just know we need justice for him if he has truly past on . If he is with us still then Michael , dont rush coming back , live your life in peace and enjoy the show.
L.O.V.E
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I have looked at this photo up close on photoshop and the head has been smudged and I dont know why its being said that this is a different person and they put his face on it. I know photo shop very well and the pixels on the head do not match the pixels on the rest of the surrounding pic. Therefor this is the same photo but someone had smudge the face to make it look as if it was the first pic, but it did not work lol . Sorry I dont mean to sound rude but this is all blown out of context . Saying this , I dont think the photo we all have seen is a true pic , it all looked staged and to perfect also considering the angle the guy has taken the picks from the outside of the van.
If Michael has past then we need to get justice for his murder / wrongful death and we need to expose AGL Live and SONY for the bastards that they are. There is to much going on on this from the movie This is it and his death . I truly believe that IF Michael was killed then this was set up by SONY ( The people behind the brand ) you know who they be!
Two many people had a lot of Money on MJ and did not want to lose it, Only if they had done 10 show's we would have still had Michael with us. But like I said He might still be with us.
I dont know , I just know we need justice for him if he has truly past on . If he is with us still then Michael , dont rush coming back , live your life in peace and enjoy the show.
L.O.V.E
Yes.. the picture has been smudged. It is the original picture of MJ in the ambulance that someone smudged before posting it on a hoax site.
There was a massive thread about that on here and eventually someone found out who it was who smudged it.. and they said they smudged it initially out of respect. xx
So it is a photoshopped smudge and not a photo of someone else.
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Wow! I read Samantha's letter months ago and just read it again! :shock: :evil: Boy, these followers were really intensily stalking Michael. After reading her letter again, I am convinced Michael put a plan into action to hoax his death, and save himself from the torment of trying to do 50 shows when he knew he couldn't. Of course, the plan to fake his death could have started way before this and the reasons may be more philosophical with regards to saving the planet. But, I think the 50 shows was the straw that broke the camel's back. I also somewhat believe in the notion that much more than just Michael was not ready for the shows, Light Man, costumes, set, etc., and that's why more of TII might be involved in the hoax.
I will look for that other possible ambulance pic too.
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I guess it's easier for some people to believe there is a cover up on a murder than Michael actually hoaxing all of this himself. :?
So true..
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Samatha is right with the face, but these two pictures, no.
IMPOSSIBLE to move things and angles that's never been taken a picture of. But the ambulance photo is fake, could be a photo for like 15 years ago.
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IMJacksonfaN wrote: But the ambulance photo is fake, could be a photo for like 15 years ago.
I looked but could not find the post where the member had a picture from about 15 years ago and it was pretty close, if not a possible match. Anyone else remember it and can find it, please put in the link or cut and paste the picture here. I just don't think the picture Samantha is talking about is the one.
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I've just read this entire conversation and because I have not "followed" Karen or other death advocates at all I don't have personality background of them. But if her letter is actual truth, none of it fabricated something popped into my mind.
You all know I am a die hard believer so I have a different mind set than a non-believer.
I also recently read Annie's hoax theory which is so close to what actually could have happened it triggered some hoax pieces in my mind.
Annie's theory is that Barry Shaw made a pact with Michael to have look a like surgeries, right? And that Barry's health was failing faster than the switch date so things got messed up. What if it was Barry having the more frequent visits with Dr Klein and is why the new "Michael" was being protected more closely. Maybe it was Barry who they all lined up for the 15 second secret "ID test" and none of those fans noticed the difference? If the real MJ was serious about cutting out, pulling off a hoax wouldn't you think he would have increased the protection of the stand in taking no chance of anything getting screwed up? That would explain what Karen and her buddies saw which was fast failing health.
About the ambulance photo. If one of our believers tested that photo in PS I consider that confirmed evidence that it is fake. It is obvious it isn't a currant shot of MJ and that the person is not dead.
Michael is too smart to have let himself become a target of murder, period !
xoxoxo
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Samantha's testimony makes me feel very very sad. Here we have a fan that actually met and spoke to Michael before June 25th and i can't think of a reason to why she would make all that up... :? Anyone else? Yeah, she's a stalker but only because she loved Michael so much, like the rest of us. However, he didn't "die" from poor health but could he have wanted to be sedate because of all the pain he was in? :cry: :cry: About the picture, still not sure if it's fake but someone on this forum, who's a photographer, mentioned the reflection. She said something about that red reflection being impossible if that photo was real and therefore it can't be. I might not explain very well so check the ambulance threads.
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Wow, some very insightful posts.
However, who smudged the ambulance photo? I have never heard that before! :shock: :o The ambulance photo of MJ always struck me as weird. It was the red streaks in the photo. I always thought they was something fishy about it. I never understood them, until I know that is it a reflection of a red car reflected in the ambulance glass. Thank you, alovesmichael for your words, "About the picture, still not sure if it's fake but someone on this forum, who's a photographer, mentioned the reflection. She said something about that red reflection being impossible if that photo was real and therefore it can't be. I might not explain very well so check the ambulance threads." You have expressed my sentiments exactly.
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Wow, some very insightful posts.
However, who smudged the ambulance photo? I have never heard that before! :shock: :o The ambulance photo of MJ always struck me as weird. It was the red streaks in the photo. I always thought they was something fishy about it. I never understood them, until I know that is it a reflection of a red car reflected in the ambulance glass. Thank you, alovesmichael for your words, "About the picture, still not sure if it's fake but someone on this forum, who's a photographer, mentioned the reflection. She said something about that red reflection being impossible if that photo was real and therefore it can't be. I might not explain very well so check the ambulance threads." You have expressed my sentiments exactly.
Yeah, there's footage of the ambulance backing out and of the photographer taking that picture but there aren't any red cars present which makes you go hmmm... I don't know if you've checked the ambulance threads there's some interesting info there. There's one member on this forum who's a paramedic and she has actually taken similar photos to show that it is possible to get quite a clear shot but that does not explain the red streaks...
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Why doesnt anyone make this public? I mean, if the picture is false the world has to know it, we need to see this scandal at every newspaper ! I dont understand why it hasnt happened yet, if it is all about money the paparazzi who published it has to explain a lot of things.
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Why doesnt anyone make this public? I mean, if the picture is false the world has to know it, we need to see this scandal at every newspaper ! I dont understand why it hasnt happened yet, if it is all about money the paparazzi who published it has to explain a lot of things.
Publish it in de media that they used a false photo!!! The paparazzi is the media, would they give one of their own away IMO no way!
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I know samantha is very upset but Reading the things she writes she sounds scary herself how did she have the time and money to follow michael like that may be michael was scared of her we won't know yet. The photo is not right and one way or another the truth will come out but why isn't it in the papers yet. I don't know what to think of samantha yet but she seems to know a lot and seems to think she was his main fan michael is loved around the world he might have been scared of them http://n
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I know samantha is very upset but Reading the things she writes she sounds scary herself how did she have the time and money to follow michael like that may be michael was scared of her we won't know yet. The photo is not right and one way or another the truth will come out but why isn't it in the papers yet. I don't know what to think of samantha yet but she seems to know a lot and seems to think she was his main fan michael is loved around the world he might have been scared of them http://n
Not only her : it's that Thalita too ..i believe they were friends ,now i don't see any connection between them ....I don't see no Thalita with Samantha and Karen anymore on that protest they made ...
Thalita wrote something on her page about Prince telling her to take care of his daddy or something like that...
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I know samantha is very upset but Reading the things she writes she sounds scary herself how did she have the time and money to follow michael like that may be michael was scared of her we won't know yet. The photo is not right and one way or another the truth will come out but why isn't it in the papers yet. I don't know what to think of samantha yet but she seems to know a lot and seems to think she was his main fan michael is loved around the world he might have been scared of them http://n
Not only her : it's that Thalita too ..i believe they were friends ,now i don't see any connection between them ....I don't see no Thalita with Samantha and Karen anymore on that protest they made ...
Thalita wrote something on her page about Prince telling her to take care of his daddy or something like that...
Who is Thalita? Do you have her full name?
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I thought i might upset a few people by saying that about samantha but she does seem over powering and it might have got to Michael and he might have had to break away from her to do this she might have found out to much but to sent the tweets that she has she has not learnt how to be kind and caring from Michael she is very blunt and rude, maybe broken hearted has made her like that maybe she wasnt like this before but she seems to acting like she had a very important role in Michaels life I wonder if she realy did.
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@mumof3 - i agree that she is very intense. On her facebook page she has a video of her following MJs car around - as if that is something to be proud of.
Yes she was a fan and did love him... but i think at times she took it too far and i do not agree with the stalking of him. If i was Michael i would have found that very smothering and frightening.
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Yes i agree it is good to love a person she obviously adored him and now she is lost her life must have revolved round Michael and she is hitting out verbally at the other important people that she felt let him down but how does she realy know that he looked happy at the tii rehearsal to me. But we might get some more info from her about the picture she must come on here to find out more information for herself.
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I know samantha is very upset but Reading the things she writes she sounds scary herself how did she have the time and money to follow michael like that may be michael was scared of her we won't know yet. The photo is not right and one way or another the truth will come out but why isn't it in the papers yet. I don't know what to think of samantha yet but she seems to know a lot and seems to think she was his main fan michael is loved around the world he might have been scared of them http://n
Not only her : it's that Thalita too ..i believe they were friends ,now i don't see any connection between them ....I don't see no Thalita with Samantha and Karen anymore on that protest they made ...
Thalita wrote something on her page about Prince telling her to take care of his daddy or something like that...
Who is Thalita? Do you have her full name?
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=822520710 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=822520710)
I believe Thalita and Samantha were very good-stalking-friends....now they deleted each other from friends list.
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@ le papillon blue.. thankyou. Wow.. her picture is of her an MJ under an umbrella.
Im kind of jealous of these fans. I never met MJ and never did the following thing out of respect to him. It just never entered my head to do that, i didnt want to bother him. I didnt think he would want to know me.
It gives pangs of jealously but then i think that maybe MJ did want to be left alone.
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Well guys, if Samantha starts to have doubts about the ambulance pic... here we go ;)
I just want to add that I respect so much the non believers fans, because they really love Michael as strongly as we do... they are only on an opposite side :)
We are all Michael's fans, I wish there would'nt be no "wars" between us...
(They may say I'm a dreamer ... :geek: 8-) )
i second that
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i agree with Karmaknowasthetruth,Samantha's story seems plausible, i think that she is telling the truth but i also think that maybe Michael was not ready for those 50shows, he knew he could not handle it, his fans would not be pleased, his health would not handle those 50 shows,maybe he and Alvarez were so nervous and fishy for those last days cause of planning the hoax, i have read Annie's theory too and it totally matches this story.
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Yes i agree it is good to love a person she obviously adored him and now she is lost her life must have revolved round Michael and she is hitting out verbally at the other important people that she felt let him down but how does she realy know that he looked happy at the tii rehearsal to me. But we might get some more info from her about the picture she must come on here to find out more information for herself.
I agree that her approach is very scary, she seems so aggressive from what we can see. I mean following someone's car around? That is just taking it too far! There's a difference between love and obsession. These fans talk like they knew Michael and were very close to him, Idk if I believe that. Perhaps they felt that way and we know Michael loves his fans but I'm sure he really appreciates some privacy from time to time too, for obvious reasons. But their observations worries me a bit...
DancingTheDream - I know the feeling, feel very jealous too but I still wouldn't go as far as following him around 24/7. To love someone is to respect them as well... It's not fair though, I just want to see him at least once, never had the chance to see him perform or anything, nothing :(
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I know samantha is very upset but Reading the things she writes she sounds scary herself how did she have the time and money to follow michael like that may be michael was scared of her we won't know yet. The photo is not right and one way or another the truth will come out but why isn't it in the papers yet. I don't know what to think of samantha yet but she seems to know a lot and seems to think she was his main fan michael is loved around the world he might have been scared of them http://n
Not only her : it's that Thalita too ..i believe they were friends ,now i don't see any connection between them ....I don't see no Thalita with Samantha and Karen anymore on that protest they made ...
Thalita wrote something on her page about Prince telling her to take care of his daddy or something like that...
Who is Thalita? Do you have her full name?
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=822520710 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=822520710)
I believe Thalita and Samantha were very good-stalking-friends....now they deleted each other from friends list.
OOOOhhhh that's interesting. I didn't know Thalia had deleted her (or vice-versa). I'm on both their facebooks so I'll have to go in a be nosey 8-)
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there is a hate group about her and karen, can someone give me the link?
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there is a hate group about her and karen, can someone give me the link?
Wow, that is unbelievable. Boy, the dualing pistols are really smoking over at FB. I wonder who will be left standing between KF, SG, and TF on FB. 8-) 8-)
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Yes i agree it is good to love a person she obviously adored him and now she is lost her life must have revolved round Michael and she is hitting out verbally at the other important people that she felt let him down but how does she realy know that he looked happy at the tii rehearsal to me. But we might get some more info from her about the picture she must come on here to find out more information for herself.
I agree that her approach is very scary, she seems so aggressive from what we can see. I mean following someone's car around? That is just taking it too far! There's a difference between love and obsession. These fans talk like they knew Michael and were very close to him, Idk if I believe that. Perhaps they felt that way and we know Michael loves his fans but I'm sure he really appreciates some privacy from time to time too, for obvious reasons. But their observations worries me a bit...
DancingTheDream - I know the feeling, feel very jealous too but I still wouldn't go as far as following him around 24/7. To love someone is to respect them as well... It's not fair though, I just want to see him at least once, never had the chance to see him perform or anything, nothing :(
I for one don't feel jealous but more intrigued to see these girls stalking his car : HIM like everywhere...if the "poor" man wanted to go to a sex shop they'd be like paparazzi all around him....not fair...fans fans but this was too much..if his kids said to them hi or bye they thought Prince was her friend or confessed everything to them..... :lol: nutjobs in my opinion i can't be jealous on obsessed people...
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there is a hate group about her and karen, can someone give me the link?
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= ... 918&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000749001918&ref=ts)
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there is a hate group about her and karen, can someone give me the link?
Wow, that is unbelievable. Boy, the dualing pistols are really smoking over at FB. I wonder who will be left standing between KF, SG, and TF on FB. 8-) 8-)
I am so curious about that but the truth is i see Samantha with Karen in some photos of a protest against Murray or something and Thalita is nowhere to be found in that place..
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Faye is using this girl, there is a big battle going on right now on Facebook & Twitter, Faye drops a list of names on her page with 5,000 members & then they attack whoever is on the list, really crazy stuff going on......She has 2 pages...!! :shock:
Twitter is terrible, they are attacking Kenny O & have even started on Elizabeth Taylor...
I think Samantha's page on FB has been closed down - She has serious problems - There is just one word for her "Stalker"!!!!! 8-)
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Michael did say he was scared he was being stalked i am just saying that if you love Michael you behave like Michael come what may and they are not nothing of Michael has rubbed off we are all upset about what might have happened but you dont send cruel twitters or facebook remarks everybody is worried you dont treat them like that.
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I for one don't feel jealous but more intrigued to see these girls stalking his car : HIM like everywhere...if the "poor" man wanted to go to a sex shop they'd be like paparazzi all around him....not fair...fans fans but this was too much..if his kids said to them hi or bye they thought Prince was her friend or confessed everything to them..... nutjobs in my opinion i can't be jealous on obsessed people...
Nutjobs - LOL!!! :lol: :lol:
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Faye is using this girl, there is a big battle going on right now on Facebook & Twitter, Faye drops a list of names on her page with 5,000 members & then they attack whoever is on the list, really crazy stuff going on......She has 2 pages...!! :shock:
Twitter is terrible, they are attacking Kenny O & have even started on Elizabeth Taylor...
I think Samantha's page on FB has been closed down - She has serious problems - There is just one word for her "Stalker"!!!!! 8-)
Wow - we should keep our distance and not get tangled in their web. Their behavior is so against what Michael would advocate. I agree - Michael may have had a growing sense of uneasiness by them always following him. I too wondered how they were able to afford that financially. The truth will prevail in the end and we will see people's true colors.
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Faye is using this girl, there is a big battle going on right now on Facebook & Twitter, Faye drops a list of names on her page with 5,000 members & then they attack whoever is on the list, really crazy stuff going on......She has 2 pages...!! :shock:
Twitter is terrible, they are attacking Kenny O & have even started on Elizabeth Taylor...
I think Samantha's page on FB has been closed down - She has serious problems - There is just one word for her "Stalker"!!!!! 8-)
:shock: :shock: .... really? What are the saying about Elizabeth Taylor?
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Faye is using this girl, there is a big battle going on right now on Facebook & Twitter, Faye drops a list of names on her page with 5,000 members & then they attack whoever is on the list, really crazy stuff going on......She has 2 pages...!! :shock:
Twitter is terrible, they are attacking Kenny O & have even started on Elizabeth Taylor...
I think Samantha's page on FB has been closed down - She has serious problems - There is just one word for her "Stalker"!!!!! 8-)
:shock: :shock: .... really? What are the saying about Elizabeth Taylor?
Because Ms.Taylor had said that people should go to see tII & gave it a good review in the early days!! I'm trying to get my friend to get me the link of any of those comments as I am not on twitter! Thank God ;)
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Faye is using this girl, there is a big battle going on right now on Facebook & Twitter, Faye drops a list of names on her page with 5,000 members & then they attack whoever is on the list, really crazy stuff going on......She has 2 pages...!! :shock:
Twitter is terrible, they are attacking Kenny O & have even started on Elizabeth Taylor...
I think Samantha's page on FB has been closed down - She has serious problems - There is just one word for her "Stalker"!!!!! 8-)
:shock: :shock: .... really? What are the saying about Elizabeth Taylor?
Because Ms.Taylor had said that people should go to see tII & gave it a good review in the early days!! I'm trying to get my friend to get me the link of any of those comments as I am not on twitter! Thank God ;)
I have the link for Dame Elizabeth Taylor's Twitter account:
http://twitter.com/DAMEELIZABETH (http://twitter.com/DAMEELIZABETH)
I just love her Twitter page. She is such a regal lady. I just love her. God bless you, Elizabeth! I thank you for being a true friend to our beloved Michael! I am so glad that God put you in MJ's life. :D Blessings always!
;) ;)
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^ i wish i knew how to use twitter :D
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my[KING]"]^ i wish i knew how to use twitter :D
Do not worry, i[MISS]my[KING]"]^, I do not know how to use Twitter either. :D
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my[KING]"]^ i wish i knew how to use twitter :D
Do not worry, i[MISS]my[KING]"]^, I do not know how to use Twitter either. :D
as long as they keep us up to date. we'll be ok LOL :P
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who is Barry Shaw?
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my[KING]"]my[KING]"]^ i wish i knew how to use twitter :D
Do not worry, i[MISS]my[KING]"]^, I do not know how to use Twitter either. :D
as long as they keep us up to date. we'll be ok LOL :P
Yes, we will be okay. God bless you! :)
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Faye is using this girl, there is a big battle going on right now on Facebook & Twitter, Faye drops a list of names on her page with 5,000 members & then they attack whoever is on the list, really crazy stuff going on......She has 2 pages...!! :shock:
Twitter is terrible, they are attacking Kenny O & have even started on Elizabeth Taylor...
I think Samantha's page on FB has been closed down - She has serious problems - There is just one word for her "Stalker"!!!!! 8-)
:shock: :shock: .... really? What are the saying about Elizabeth Taylor?
Because Ms.Taylor had said that people should go to see tII & gave it a good review in the early days!! I'm trying to get my friend to get me the link of any of those comments as I am not on twitter! Thank God ;)
I have the link for Dame Elizabeth Taylor's Twitter account:
http://twitter.com/DAMEELIZABETH (http://twitter.com/DAMEELIZABETH)
I just love her Twitter page. She is such a regal lady. I just love her. God bless you, Elizabeth! I thank you for being a true friend to our beloved Michael! I am so glad that God put you in MJ's life. :D Blessings always!
;) ;)
a big gap in her twitters - halloween pig saw?
nothing from any one else,
but i would have thought she would be blogging about other things as well as mj?
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who is Barry Shaw?
Barry Shaw is a guy who say he was MJ´s body double for almost 15 years.
He updated his FB with some MJ´s pics and claims that this are his pics.
I think that it´s impossible to have a so similar body double. So if this guy is not a fake he can just be MJ disguised as a double. hahaha
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Faye is using this girl, there is a big battle going on right now on Facebook & Twitter, Faye drops a list of names on her page with 5,000 members & then they attack whoever is on the list, really crazy stuff going on......She has 2 pages...!! :shock:
Twitter is terrible, they are attacking Kenny O & have even started on Elizabeth Taylor...
I think Samantha's page on FB has been closed down - She has serious problems - There is just one word for her "Stalker"!!!!! 8-)
her page is still up : http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref ... =579028960 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=profile&id=1255647533#!/profile.php?id=579028960)
but she claims that "fans against karen page" has been deleted.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref ... =579028960 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=profile&id=1255647533#!/profile.php?v=feed&story_fbid=308569943691&id=579028960)
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Faye is using this girl, there is a big battle going on right now on Facebook & Twitter, Faye drops a list of names on her page with 5,000 members & then they attack whoever is on the list, really crazy stuff going on......She has 2 pages...!! :shock:
Twitter is terrible, they are attacking Kenny O & have even started on Elizabeth Taylor...
I think Samantha's page on FB has been closed down - She has serious problems - There is just one word for her "Stalker"!!!!! 8-)
:shock: :shock: .... really? What are the saying about Elizabeth Taylor?
Because Ms.Taylor had said that people should go to see tII & gave it a good review in the early days!! I'm trying to get my friend to get me the link of any of those comments as I am not on twitter! Thank God ;)
I have the link for Dame Elizabeth Taylor's Twitter account:
http://twitter.com/DAMEELIZABETH (http://twitter.com/DAMEELIZABETH)
I just love her Twitter page. She is such a regal lady. I just love her. God bless you, Elizabeth! I thank you for being a true friend to our beloved Michael! I am so glad that God put you in MJ's life. :D Blessings always!
;) ;)
Yeah Liz was the one to take him far away from the drugs and whores like LMP......i can bet on her that she's most loyal of all.
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Yep!!!
The fans against Karen Faye page has been closed down!!
Now why would that be?????????
Fans were questioning her actions & she didn't like it one bit......MMmmm!! :?
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Fans against Karen Faye page is back open on Facebook!! ;)
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who is Barry Shaw?
Barry Shaw is a guy who say he was MJ´s body double for almost 15 years.
He updated his FB with some MJ´s pics and claims that this are his pics.
I think that it´s impossible to have a so similar body double. So if this guy is not a fake he can just be MJ disguised as a double. hahaha
This is a video I found about Barry Shaw on YouTube.com
[youtube:16d3po9d]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEeUjYivVfc&feature=player_embedded#[/youtube:16d3po9d]
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who is Barry Shaw?
Barry Shaw is a guy who say he was MJ´s body double for almost 15 years.
He updated his FB with some MJ´s pics and claims that this are his pics.
I think that it´s impossible to have a so similar body double. So if this guy is not a fake he can just be MJ disguised as a double. hahaha
This is a video I found about Barry Shaw on YouTube.com
[youtube:24p6nc01]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEeUjYivVfc&feature=player_embedded#[/youtube:24p6nc01]
i dont believe this either.
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Fans against Karen Faye page is back open on Facebook!! ;)
Oh and hey Samantha De Gosson. You can't get rid of us so easily."
lmaoooo
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Fans against Karen Faye page is back open on Facebook!! ;)
Oh and hey Samantha De Gosson. You can't get rid of us so easily."
lmaoooo
Samantha De Gossen is nothing more than a stalking fan... a "Dirty Diana"... why she think she so special? lol
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Fans against Karen Faye page is back open on Facebook!! ;)
Oh and hey Samantha De Gosson. You can't get rid of us so easily."
lmaoooo
Samantha De Gossen is nothing more than a stalking fan... a "Dirty Diana"... why she think she so special? lol
Maybe she wants to be the next Karen Faye or maybe she's more smart than that tries to get inside Karen's skin and uncover her..i don't think she's that stupid.
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I don´t like her. She thinks she is the only fan who met MJ and who got his attention. She acts like she was a special person in his life. She wants to play an important role in the fan community. She complains about others but look at her posts she is the one who is so bitter and angry. Well, I don´t doubt that she loves him much, she really cares about him, but she does not care about million others who also love him, miss him and defend him. Talitha for instance, is a lovely girl, she doesn´t mock others and I think she met him more thand Samantha did. I don´t know how often Samantha met him, but Talitha has more pictures with him and whenever he sent out a message during his "last" years he sent them through Talitha. Really guyz, Samantha has a big mouth cause she has Karen´s back. Nothing more! :roll:
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I don´t like her. She thinks she is the only fan who met MJ and who got his attention. She acts like she was a special person in his life. She wants to play an important role in the fan community. She complains about others but look at her posts she is the one who is so bitter and angry. Well, I don´t doubt that she loves him much, she really cares about him, but she does not care about million others who also love him, miss him and defend him. Talitha for instance, is a lovely girl, she doesn´t mock others and I think she met him more thand Samantha did. I don´t know how often Samantha met him, but Talitha has more pictures with him and whenever he sent out a message during his "last" years he sent them through Talitha. Really guyz, Samantha has a big mouth cause she has Karen´s back. Nothing more! :roll:
Very true .
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Yes guyz. I´m reading her facebook now and they are praising her for nothing. Just for stalking MJ and for that ONE foto she has with him. Everyone can get a foto like that, it´s not that it´s a private foto of her like he has with friends or fans who he invited to go with him shopping or to the theatre. He did this many times especially in the ninetees. She is nuts and angry and wants to be IMPORTANT and her "fans" don´t realize that. Shut up, Sam... I mean Stalker. :roll:
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Yes guyz. I´m reading her facebook now and they are praising her for nothing. Just for stalking MJ and for that ONE foto she has with him. Everyone can get a foto like that, it´s not that it´s a private foto of her like he has with friends or fans who he invited to go with him shopping or to the theatre. He did this many times especially in the ninetees. She is nuts and angry and wants to be IMPORTANT and her "fans" don´t realize that. Shut up, Sam... I mean Stalker. :roll:
:) Yeas thats for sure she is a stalker, her "Statement" is on the T.I.N.I website as if she was actually with Michael 24-7, I've learnt alot about the stalkers that Michael had since he "Died"
How anyone could live his life is beyond me..........! ;)
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She wrote on facebook 2 hours ago:
"Michael gave me a sign today. Where I live, a loud sound of a helicopter got my attention. Felt painful, as I remebered June 25th at the UCLA center....I looked up and flying low was the Sheriff's helicopter serial number N950DG...the very same helicopter that came to take his body at the hospital....We need to keep fighting. His death can't be in vain!"
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She wrote on facebook 2 hours ago:
"Michael gave me a sign today. Where I live, a loud sound of a helicopter got my attention. Felt painful, as I remebered June 25th at the UCLA center....I looked up and flying low was the Sheriff's helicopter serial number N950DG...the very same helicopter that came to take his body at the hospital....We need to keep fighting. His death can't be in vain!"
BELCH :evil: I have said it many times here. It's like this in many a fan club. Stalker.... attention seeker. People that are doing things for the "right" reason keep it quiet. Truly.
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She wrote on facebook 2 hours ago:
"Michael gave me a sign today. Where I live, a loud sound of a helicopter got my attention. Felt painful, as I remebered June 25th at the UCLA center....I looked up and flying low was the Sheriff's helicopter serial number N950DG...the very same helicopter that came to take his body at the hospital....We need to keep fighting. His death can't be in vain!"
OH WOW!!... :roll:
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who is Barry Shaw?
Barry Shaw is a guy who say he was MJ´s body double for almost 15 years.
He updated his FB with some MJ´s pics and claims that this are his pics.
I think that it´s impossible to have a so similar body double. So if this guy is not a fake he can just be MJ disguised as a double. hahaha
This is a video I found about Barry Shaw on YouTube.com
[youtube:2su5umen]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEeUjYivVfc&feature=player_embedded#[/youtube:2su5umen]
i dont believe this either.
me neither
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I am sick and tired of seeing this girls name. She's as big a pain in the ass as Karen Fake!!
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Nothign against french people...really.. I respect their accent.
But what I hate about her, she acts like she´s a native American, but you can hear her accent. She thinks she´s someone special, cause she lives in Pasadena. :roll:
I wonder if she´s married or has the greencard. :?:
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She wrote on facebook 2 hours ago:
"Michael gave me a sign today. Where I live, a loud sound of a helicopter got my attention. Felt painful, as I remebered June 25th at the UCLA center....I looked up and flying low was the Sheriff's helicopter serial number N950DG...the very same helicopter that came to take his body at the hospital....We need to keep fighting. His death can't be in vain!"
What is the link to her page?
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She wrote on facebook 2 hours ago:
"Michael gave me a sign today. Where I live, a loud sound of a helicopter got my attention. Felt painful, as I remebered June 25th at the UCLA center....I looked up and flying low was the Sheriff's helicopter serial number N950DG...the very same helicopter that came to take his body at the hospital....We need to keep fighting. His death can't be in vain!"
BELCH :evil: I have said it many times here. It's like this in many a fan club. Stalker.... attention seeker. People that are doing things for the "right" reason keep it quiet. Truly.
And the other (Talitha) said she saw his car passing at the same places he went when he was alive and that made her cry/sad can't remember the quite words i could not find it but i found these..:
"Talitha Lemington I wish people wouldn't pretend Michael knew them when they only met him once or twice. It's not cool to use his name to try to be a celebrity and deceive his lovely fans."
"Talitha Lemington "Talitha I don't want my children to grow up in public. I want them to have a normal childhood, the childhood I never had. That's why I have them wear masks you know..." Michael Jackson, September 2008 They took his life. They're taking his money. Can't they just let his babies be?!"
"Talitha Lemington How long more until he comes back?December 13, 2009 at 2:06am "
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I've been looking into what this 'woman' has to say and I say woman like that because really it should be'stalker or over the top obsessed individual' but I'm not that rude....
I came across this which I found funny,one,because no film maker would make a movie with a celebrities stalker and so much of the evidence missing,no court cases having happened and no one willing to talk about it to them.Who are they going to talk to?Her and the Justice group alone,non of the actual people involved in the whole hoax/no family/no one from AEG or Kenny or Conrad...??
WOW.What a documentary that will be,can't wait to go the theatre and watch it..
My sarcasm level just went through the roof.
I work in the Ent business...This is not how shit goes down.
I think the 'release'date is tasteless as well.
"Samantha De Gosson:twitter
Wednesday is my sit-down interview with the Amercian film documentary crew in Santa Monica. Wish me luck! A full documentary about Michael's death and everyone involved in it. The theater release date is June...... 25th, 2011) "
She is a deeply worrying person and going off what I just read about her not a very liked one.
DERANGED and I have a feeling she might be COTW.