Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Investigation => After June 25, 2009 => This Is It => Topic started by: Venus7 on February 12, 2010, 08:42:50 AM

Title: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Venus7 on February 12, 2010, 08:42:50 AM
I just came across something in diff. forum:

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Hi,

My name is jhon. I will spare a second name as i do not want any lawsuits brought against me by AEG or any company affiliated with them.

I worked as part of the technical team on Michaels This is it production.

Firstly let me just say, Michael was a good man, i bare him no ill will or malice, but the reason for this posting is for a few simple reasons--I am publicly not permitted to talk about any aspect of the this is it production. Everyone who worked on that has been told not to give any kind of public statement, only officials or people who are granted permission by AEG are allowed to discuss publicly about the production. People who are allowed are the obvious ones, such as directors(Kenny etc.) Dancers, a few people from production(set, costume designers), musical director etc, the dancers etc...

Understand this...everything that is being said by these people has been vetted and checked. They are told which details to reveal.

MY main anger and point of this article is 3 main things, that i witnessed but did not see in the dvd movie(that my nephew purchased)

1. Many of the vocals used in this is it movie are not the vocals i heard. Please hear me out.
I heard Michael sing ALL of his songs without playback, in the rehearsals we NEVER USE PLAYBACK. When i was younger and starting out i got a job on Michaels earlier tour in 1991. I worked as a junior in productions, and i witnessed 2 rehearsal sessions.--there was no playback, even though when he had taken the show out of rehearsals and onto the road there was a playback. I am sure you can find rehearsals from an earlier tour on the INTERNET--just look into it-he never uses playback on rehearsals-it is pointless because there is no audience .
Basically from my experience with Michael, he never uses playback in rehearsals.--it is a waste, as there is no audience.

I am unhappy that Kenny did not show Michaels real voice on a few songs.

2. My second problem is that some performances from Michael has been left out. He turned up for around 3 rehearsals a week, out of a 6 day week. And in the end had done around 4 full rehearsals before june 25th.

How it worked was like this---Michael spent time learning the moves with his choreographer, and would come in and rehearse with the dancers on average 1-2 times a week, the 3rd day when he was at rehersals he looked into productions and had costume fittings etc.. When Michael was absent there would be a double, just to step in(so the dancers could rehearse). I blatantly saw this double in the movie, in the Smooth criminal performance. You see, that background(with the towers and building)was fully completed after his death. Any footage of him in-front of those building in smooth criminal is not him, HOWEVER IT IS MICHAEL WHEN THE BACKGROUND IS WHITE. That particular scene was confusing, as they mixed the 2 footages together-the footage of the buildings is used with a Michael step in( a double), and when he is in-front of a white screen that is him.-confusing but watch that scene again and you will know what i mean.--it is him when he says POW and he is in front of a WHITE screen, BUT IT IS THE DOUBLE WHEN HE IS IN-FRONT OF A 3D BACKGROUND OF BUILDINGS.

Other performances that, after researching it, has been denied. MICHAEL did perform dirty Diana--it was a masterpiece.---granted Michael did not sound all that good, it was only rehearsal.--he did it twice. The set up was excellent.---why AEG are denying it had taken place i do not know.

We are the world was also performed, and heal the world and a few others.

iNFACT IF YOU LOOK HARD ENOUGH ON THE INTERNET YOU WILL FIND FANS THAT HAVE RECORDED HIM PERFORMING DIRTY DIANA(ON THERE PHONES OUTSIDE STAPLE CENTRE), BUT KENNY HAS DENIED THAT HE PERFORMED IT.

I just wanted to let you guys, the real fans, that there is the real footage out there somewhere and one day you will hopefully get to see it.

3. MY third problem with the movie is it did not address the health concerns that we all saw. Not the thinness, Michael, if my memory serves me well has always been thin-this was not a problem. The problems that i saw, was basically Michael had some problem with his feet. After his rehearsal with the dancers, he would usually be in a great deal of pain, from his feet. I don't know if any one can shed some light on this, but someone on set said his skin on his feel tears easily and has become very sensitive-after years of putting them to use i guessed-this is why Michaels dancers were going to do a large number of the heavy routines, with Michael only participating in a few dance routines(such as beat it the way you make me feel), the rest of the time he would be just walking around stage, filling the room with his presence

He was also in great pain from his back. Although this is not in the movie, but on days that Michael was not there randy, don't know his second name but from my understanding at the time, he was the man who was funding this elaborate show, randy was always talking to Kenny about Michaels and his worries about him not completing 50. Randy and Kenny were talking a lot, and made alot of plans in-case his health fails, Randy also hired a doctor for Michael.

Kenny, as instructed by Randy, always made sure the camera's were rolling on the days mj turned up for rehearsals, although he denies this, but these film footages were made as a guarantee, that if something happened he would have something get his investment back on. I don't know if you fans know this, or whether it is common knowledge or not, but Kenny and Randy are cousins(i think distant)

In fact we were all told that if we saw Michael and his entourage we were to send word to Kenny immediately so as he could instruct the camera men to film.

Well i have said my peace...
http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/645790 (http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/645790)
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: loyalfan on February 12, 2010, 08:48:37 AM
BRAVE MAN...HOPE YOU DONT GET ANY WHIPLASH FOR SAYING ALL THIS.......BUT GOOD ON YOU..XXX
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: voiceforthesilent on February 12, 2010, 09:04:14 AM
:shock:  :o Wow. I don't even know what to say except it was said that Michael had dancer's feet and that is why he had pain. That just proves to me that Michael's tolerance for pain is much greater than people have reported.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: miss j on February 12, 2010, 09:07:27 AM
wow, no doubt mike couldn't do 50! why did they force him to do 50??
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: mumof3 on February 12, 2010, 09:10:45 AM
Glad to see someone is brave  michael must have ben put under. So much pressure that he had to do something  it makes you wonder about kenny and the big wigs they were chasing the dollar
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: MJLover1990 on February 12, 2010, 09:17:38 AM
Wow, that is very brave to put something like that out there. I admire his braveness! I think he may be right too. So is it that we can't trust Kenny Ortega and his distant cousin Randy now?
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Venus7 on February 12, 2010, 09:18:34 AM
I heard about that last summer that MJ had a "dancer's feet".
I listened audio-interview with Cory Rooney and Chris Apostle who both worked with Michael Jackson. The audio-interview was last July or August where they said that MJ had a dancer's feet.
Here is quote:
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CR: “I know for a fact he had health issues. That’s number one. Michael Jackson had other health issues that never were discussed like what is called dancer’s feet. Dancer’s feet is when your feet over years of dancing, a dancer wraps their feet to dance. You wrap them in tape and things like that. But of course because you don’t get enough oxygen skin dries up. Your skin starts to crack and splint, almost like paper cuts and Michael suffered bad with that.


What would happen is sometimes it be so bad he’d have to wrap his feet in a cast. That’s why sometimes you would see him with a cast on. The pains of that was excruciating. And yeah, was he on the painkillers for that? Yeah. I’m sure he was. I never physically seen him take a pill or a painkiller, but I’ve definitely spoken to him about it. Now whatever the autopsy shows, whatever the true factor on how this man has gone from here becomes it’s all still a result of what this business has done to him period. It’s all a result of what the business did to him.”

Here is transcript of this interview:
http://www.examiner.com/x-704-Pop-Media ... c-business (http://www.examiner.com/x-704-Pop-Media-Examiner~y2009m8d5-Cory-Rooney-and-Chris-Apostle-on-Michael-Jackson--his-effect-on-the-music-business)
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Datroot on February 12, 2010, 09:21:56 AM
How does this help the hoax?
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: DooDoo on February 12, 2010, 09:22:20 AM
Wow.  :(  :(  :(
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Venus7 on February 12, 2010, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: "Datroot"
How does this help the hoax?

I don't know about YOU, but I'm here to find the truth whatever if Michael is alive or if is  gone. I want to find what really happened and who is responsible for his death or his disappearance.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Jude on February 12, 2010, 09:35:38 AM
Quote from: "miss j"
wow, no doubt mike couldn't do 50! why did they force him to do 50??

To fail,it's obvious,he was set up ,to fail.
Damn them all to hell. :evil:  :x
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: TinkerbellStardust on February 12, 2010, 09:46:47 AM
Thanks for sharing!  :D
As believeable as it might appear, I don't belive a word of it.
Why would a tech guy not know Randy's last name (Phillips)?
IF you believe he's gone (which I don't) why would the supposed autopsy report not say anything of ripped/broken healskin?
And most of all - there is no clear source to this info, and anyone could have made that up to see how we respond. And either way.. It doesn't contain anything of any real importance does it? (Or maybe I am missing someth.?) Except that the AEG are lying - but we knew that all along. Why would someone have the need to say those things in secret? I don't get it.
About the playback I see reasoning in using both playback and real vocal in rehearsels.
And about the feet issue.. I think Michael moved his feet a great deal for rehearsels!
I think it's someone playing games. Well, that's just my opinion.  :)
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on February 12, 2010, 09:48:32 AM
I SURE HOPE HE IS ALIVE BUT AS BEFORE I HAVE A FEELING HE WAS MURDERED. WHY ELSE WOULD THEY RECORD THE DAMN REHEARSALS!!!  IM SO PISSED RIGHT NOW!
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Tink.I.Am on February 12, 2010, 09:51:43 AM
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iNFACT IF YOU LOOK HARD ENOUGH ON THE INTERNET YOU WILL FIND FANS THAT HAVE RECORDED HIM PERFORMING DIRTY DIANA(ON THERE PHONES OUTSIDE STAPLE CENTRE), BUT KENNY HAS DENIED THAT HE PERFORMED IT.

[youtube:g724w1pz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-16TxpaKmqg[/youtube:g724w1pz]

http://www.youtube.com/user/summercrane ... 16TxpaKmqg (http://www.youtube.com/user/summercrane#p/c/CFA0A4995860D3B2/3/-16TxpaKmqg)
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: gracesong on February 12, 2010, 09:55:32 AM
I'm just shocked. If this person's account is credible, then they put him through Hell.
He wanted to do these shows for his kids, and he gave everything he had for it.
It kind of reminds me of his O2 appearance in which he stated very clearly that "this is it".
Many people wonder why he emphasized that phrase so much, but I think they have to realize he has been in this industry for so many years.
He's seen the c**p people pull sometimes and has witnessed first-hand how nasty some people can be. He was just tired and done.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but after his supposed death, there were moments when I'd just sit back, watch videos of him, and hope, just hope, that that innocence and purity wasn't taken from him. I think that people wouldn't argue if I stated that those trials really did a number on him; they hurt him more than we could ever know.
Even if one is found to be not guilty, the mere occurrence of having sexual charges filed against them is enough to ruin anyone's reputation, let alone the charge of sexual crimes against children.
I hate to say it, but I think it took part of his heart and soul. I'm blind, so I can't see his eyes or face, but I wouldn't be surprised if pre-trial and post-trial Michael look different, empty somehow.

P.S. at the person who was wondering about people not being able to speak out on Michael's condition:
Yes, that is valid. They have contracts, and those contracts state one cannot divulge details of the show, especially not now when a legal investigation might be under way. If someone admitted at AEG to doing wrong, then there would be some sort of liability.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Datroot on February 12, 2010, 09:56:33 AM
That doesn't necessarily mean they were recording MJ outside the Staples Centre.  Could have been anyone.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: me2 on February 12, 2010, 10:04:39 AM
and thats on the official michaeljackson site, who runs that site now?
isnt that sony or aeg, i guess they would remove a message like this if they see it.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Venus7 on February 12, 2010, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: "me2"
and thats on the official michaeljackson site, who runs that site now?
isnt that sony or aeg, i guess they would remove a message like this if they see it.

Yes, it belongs to SONY. I'm sure they will not remove that post because they know that message was probably spread out to other sites, and if they remove it it will make them look more guilty.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: *Mo* on February 12, 2010, 10:11:01 AM
Quote from: "Venus7"
I just came across something in diff. forum:

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Hi,

My name is jhon. I will spare a second name as i do not want any lawsuits brought against me by AEG or any company affiliated with them.

Sorry guys, but I don't understand why people jump to conclusions so quickly after reading a post which is posted by a friend of someone who wants to remain anonymous ("jhon" *cough*, "Well i have said my peace..." *rolls eyes*).

This is not even the entire post, this part is missing:

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My message to Michael----Michael you were being subjected to games and spin for most of the latter years of your life, i don't know if you were aware of it, but it continued until the day you died....i hope you have finally found the rest that you deserve.

I have given this page of my final words on the issue of Michael to a friend, who will find the best place to place this piece of writing.

I hope it gives all who read an insight.

Eternal peace and god bless you all."

The original forum to which is was posted is unknown, see http://mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87011 (http://mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87011)

No where in the entire thread is listed where the original post can be found.  Anyone could have written this, it could even be a post by the TINI group.  Just remember how some of these people all of a sudden call Kenny a murderer...

Don't take things for granted because it's published somewhere on the internet, don't jump to conclusions just like that![/b]
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Venus7 on February 12, 2010, 10:20:10 AM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Sorry guys, but I don't understand why people jump to conclusions so quickly after reading a post which is posted by a friend of someone who wants to remain anonymous ("jhon" *cough*, "Well i have said my peace..." *rolls eyes*).
The original forum to which is was posted is unknown, see http://mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87011 (http://mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87011)

No where in the entire thread is listed where the original post can be found.  Anyone could have written this, it could even be a post by the TINI group.  Just remember how some of these people all of a sudden call Kenny a murderer...

Don't take things for granted because it's published somewhere on the internet, don't jump to conclusions just like that!

"jhon" could be typo. I do that too sometimes.
To me, the message from this guy sounds like real thing, because some things he writes about were mentioned right after MJ's death. And also there is some explanation of why HD videotaping of rehearsals were made on first place.
Those pieces fit right in this puzzle, IMO
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Xsy on February 12, 2010, 10:33:02 AM
Quote from: "Venus7"
... Randy was always talking to Kenny about Michaels and his worries about him not completing 50. Randy and Kenny were talking a lot, and made alot of plans in-case his health fails, Randy also hired a doctor for Michael.

Kenny, as instructed by Randy, always made sure the camera's were rolling on the days mj turned up for rehearsals, although he denies this, but these film footages were made as a guarantee, that if something happened he would have something get his investment back on.


Don´t like that part at all! It confirms my feeling I had from the first day i heard of foul play. I´m still thinking that Murray is the Scapegoat. I´m sorry if i repeat myself in that case all the time, but it definitely smells very very very much like conspiracy and all because of money!!
Also it confirmes my feeling that the movie TII was really just made as a garantee to get AEGs investments. It´s too unprofessional if it was planned by Michael. (I´m sorry michael if you read that, maybe you made it look like real rehearsals, don´t get me wrong). I don´t know what he would do or wouldn´t, but I think he would wear costumes, he would style his hair perfectly, he would rehearse all songs his fans wanna hear and make sure they are seen in the movie.

Don´t you think he would gave everything in this rehearsals, he wouldn´t save his voice and he would show his perfect dance moves if it was planned to be a movie???
I want to now the truth... :?
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 12, 2010, 10:36:21 AM
The "Dirty Diana" puzzle has always been on my mind..  i am positive MJ did rehearse it.  Bizarre that Kenny would deny it and leave it out.   That is a clue...  a clue to something... :?
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Disco on February 12, 2010, 10:37:48 AM
Sorry Guys but I'm not buying this, As has already been stated anyone could have wrote this & with the Hating thats going on right now we really could not say this comes from a reliable source!
As I have stated to anyone that claims to have been there & had these concerns they should be going to the LAPD & making a statement & not blabing on the net............
Whatever contracts these people were under does not tie them in to witnessing torture!!
Even the dog on the street knows Randy..........Emmmm???? Surname!!!!


I could have wrote that as everything on it is common knowledge.........On the wrong site to think we would believe this BS  :twisted:
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: voiceforthesilent on February 12, 2010, 10:39:58 AM
Quote from: "TinkerbellStardust"
Thanks for sharing!  :D
As believeable as it might appear, I don't belive a word of it.
Why would a tech guy not know Randy's last name (Phillips)?
IF you believe he's gone (which I don't) why would the supposed autopsy report not say anything of ripped/broken healskin?
And most of all - there is no clear source to this info, and anyone could have made that up to see how we respond. And either way.. It doesn't contain anything of any real importance does it? (Or maybe I am missing someth.?) Except that the AEG are lying - but we knew that all along. Why would someone have the need to say those things in secret? I don't get it.
About the playback I see reasoning in using both playback and real vocal in rehearsels.
And about the feet issue.. I think Michael moved his feet a great deal for rehearsels!
I think it's someone playing games. Well, that's just my opinion.  :)

Yes, you are right.  This does not prove that Michael is no longer with us. It only proves that something is not right about the rehearsals, the video that we have seen, the movie, and the interviews. If he's right, Michael's weight wasn't an issue like some have claimed.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on February 12, 2010, 10:58:29 AM
I KEEP THINKING LATOYA KNOWS WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT. MURDERED FOR MONEY!!!!!!! DAMN THIS. IM HERE FOR THE TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL. DEAD OR ALIVE. I LOVE YOU MJ.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: UTisNUM1 on February 12, 2010, 11:02:55 AM
Quote from: "Venus7"
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Sorry guys, but I don't understand why people jump to conclusions so quickly after reading a post which is posted by a friend of someone who wants to remain anonymous ("jhon" *cough*, "Well i have said my peace..." *rolls eyes*).
The original forum to which is was posted is unknown, see http://mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87011 (http://mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87011)

No where in the entire thread is listed where the original post can be found.  Anyone could have written this, it could even be a post by the TINI group.  Just remember how some of these people all of a sudden call Kenny a murderer...

Don't take things for granted because it's published somewhere on the internet, don't jump to conclusions just like that!

"jhon" could be typo. I do that too sometimes.
To me, the message from this guy sounds like real thing, because some things he writes about were mentioned right after MJ's death. And also there is some explanation of why HD videotaping of rehearsals were made on first place.
Those pieces fit right in this puzzle, IMO

HD cameras are all what people shoot footage with now. They aren't any bigger than the old SD 480i cams, they are just used now for better picture. They were using the RED cameras which is beyond 1080p HD for a better picture not only during filming but performing like. HD cams are very inexpensive now, heck you could by a Flip Mino HD for about 200-250 dollars that does full HD (fps varies). Everything is making the switch to HD, it isn't abnormal for people to use HD cams to record a show or a rehearsal. This isn't a clue, it is called show business.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: badria on February 12, 2010, 11:05:59 AM
Quote from: "gracesong"
I'm just shocked. If this person's account is credible, then they put him through Hell.
He wanted to do these shows for his kids, and he gave everything he had for it.
It kind of reminds me of his O2 appearance in which he stated very clearly that "this is it".
Many people wonder why he emphasized that phrase so much, but I think they have to realize he has been in this industry for so many years.
He's seen the c**p people pull sometimes and has witnessed first-hand how nasty some people can be. He was just tired and done.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but after his supposed death, there were moments when I'd just sit back, watch videos of him, and hope, just hope, that that innocence and purity wasn't taken from him. I think that people wouldn't argue if I stated that those trials really did a number on him; they hurt him more than we could ever know.
Even if one is found to be not guilty, the mere occurrence of having sexual charges filed against them is enough to ruin anyone's reputation, let alone the charge of sexual crimes against children.
I hate to say it, but I think it took part of his heart and soul. I'm blind, so I can't see his eyes or face, but I wouldn't be surprised if pre-trial and post-trial Michael look different, empty somehow.

P.S. at the person who was wondering about people not being able to speak out on Michael's condition:
Yes, that is valid. They have contracts, and those contracts state one cannot divulge details of the show, especially not now when a legal investigation might be under way. If someone admitted at AEG to doing wrong, then there would be some sort of liability.


i LOVE your post.... turly wonderful....i agree with you... :|
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Venus7 on February 12, 2010, 11:08:39 AM
Do you remember when James Brown died? He died when he was quite old and musical industry didn't have such success with his records after James Brown's death. But they had HUGE success when young and good looking Elvis Presley died!!!
The key is "die young, somehow victimized and not forgotten yet" that's when musical moguls make really good money.
Could be this something relating to MJ' death?
So sad.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: JACKSONGIRL on February 12, 2010, 11:22:49 AM
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
:shock:  :o Wow. I don't even know what to say except it was said that Michael had dancer's feet and that is why he had pain. That just proves to me that Michael's tolerance for pain is much greater than people have reported.
thats what happens when you have had pain all your life, he is practically immune to it lol :(
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: neversaynever on February 12, 2010, 11:25:48 AM
Could of been written by anyone - I agree with MO. Sony is leaving it there - so that we see once again that he is "dead".  :roll:
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: JACKSONGIRL on February 12, 2010, 11:57:02 AM
Quote from: "gracesong"
I'm just shocked. If this person's account is credible, then they put him through Hell.
He wanted to do these shows for his kids, and he gave everything he had for it.
It kind of reminds me of his O2 appearance in which he stated very clearly that "this is it".
Many people wonder why he emphasized that phrase so much, but I think they have to realize he has been in this industry for so many years.
He's seen the c**p people pull sometimes and has witnessed first-hand how nasty some people can be. He was just tired and done.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but after his supposed death, there were moments when I'd just sit back, watch videos of him, and hope, just hope, that that innocence and purity wasn't taken from him. I think that people wouldn't argue if I stated that those trials really did a number on him; they hurt him more than we could ever know.
Even if one is found to be not guilty, the mere occurrence of having sexual charges filed against them is enough to ruin anyone's reputation, let alone the charge of sexual crimes against children.
I hate to say it, but I think it took part of his heart and soul. I'm blind, so I can't see his eyes or face, but I wouldn't be surprised if pre-trial and post-trial Michael look different, empty somehow.

P.S. at the person who was wondering about people not being able to speak out on Michael's condition:
Yes, that is valid. They have contracts, and those contracts state one cannot divulge details of the show, especially not now when a legal investigation might be under way. If someone admitted at AEG to doing wrong, then there would be some sort of liability.
I completely agree with you on that, those trials did a number on him. even others said he became very depressed, and i dont blame him for leaving neverland , they ruined the heart and soul of that place for him. THEY TORE HIS HEART OPEN, and he never looked at neverland the same after that , neverland WAS michael, an without neverland and the joy and happiness it brought him, he became very empty, towards the end i could see it in his eyes, his eyes said it all , he didnt have that warm feeling to them anymore, it was like they took all his happiness away, and the fact he never found a women to spend his entire life with, someone who could crawl into bed beside him and just hug him all night, was even worse, the poor guy went through hell, with no true woman by his side, everyone tore him apart, i think in the end his eyes clearly showed he was empty inside and he just wasnt the same.  
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: badria on February 12, 2010, 12:10:46 PM
Quote from: "JACKSONGIRL"
Quote from: "gracesong"
I'm just shocked. If this person's account is credible, then they put him through Hell.
He wanted to do these shows for his kids, and he gave everything he had for it.
It kind of reminds me of his O2 appearance in which he stated very clearly that "this is it".
Many people wonder why he emphasized that phrase so much, but I think they have to realize he has been in this industry for so many years.
He's seen the c**p people pull sometimes and has witnessed first-hand how nasty some people can be. He was just tired and done.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but after his supposed death, there were moments when I'd just sit back, watch videos of him, and hope, just hope, that that innocence and purity wasn't taken from him. I think that people wouldn't argue if I stated that those trials really did a number on him; they hurt him more than we could ever know.
Even if one is found to be not guilty, the mere occurrence of having sexual charges filed against them is enough to ruin anyone's reputation, let alone the charge of sexual crimes against children.
I hate to say it, but I think it took part of his heart and soul. I'm blind, so I can't see his eyes or face, but I wouldn't be surprised if pre-trial and post-trial Michael look different, empty somehow.

P.S. at the person who was wondering about people not being able to speak out on Michael's condition:
Yes, that is valid. They have contracts, and those contracts state one cannot divulge details of the show, especially not now when a legal investigation might be under way. If someone admitted at AEG to doing wrong, then there would be some sort of liability.
I completely agree with you on that, those trials did a number on him. even others said he became very depressed, and i dont blame him for leaving neverland , they ruined the heart and soul of that place for him. THEY TORE HIS HEART OPEN, and he never looked at neverland the same after that , neverland WAS michael, an without neverland and the joy and happiness it brought him, he became very empty, towards the end i could see it in his eyes, his eyes said it all , he didnt have that warm feeling to them anymore, it was like they took all his happiness away, and the fact he never found a women to spend his entire life with, someone who could crawl into bed beside him and just hug him all night, was even worse, the poor guy went through hell, with no true woman by his side, everyone tore him apart, i think in the end his eyes clearly showed he was empty inside and he just wasnt the same.  


 :|    :|    :|
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on February 12, 2010, 12:15:06 PM
MICHAEL DEFINITELY DIDN'T NEED A WOMAN TO MAKE HIM HAPPY.  BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE NEVERLAND BEING HIM. HE WAS NEVER THE SAME. ITS NOT FAIR.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: essenceofebony0to9 on February 12, 2010, 12:21:35 PM
I don't know how credible this person is but there is a part for 'dirty Diana' on the dvd. They show a bed scene and Michael Bearden was on some late nite show, I'm thinking George Lopez when he made a statement about MJ, saying, MJ said that there was going to be 2 women in that part of This Is It and MJ was going to have both women in bed with him. Does anyone else remember Michael Bearden saying this? Oh and the rehearsal for dirty Diana is on the dvd
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 12, 2010, 12:22:21 PM
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]MICHAEL DEFINITELY DIDN'T NEED A WOMAN TO MAKE HIM HAPPY.  BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE NEVERLAND BEING HIM. HE WAS NEVER THE SAME. ITS NOT FAIR.

i disagree.  I think the love of a good woman...  a woman who he could build a family with and to love him and support him...  and be there to advise and protect him...  would have made a big difference in his life.

I think it was a great source of sadness to MJ that he didnt have the conventional family of wife and children.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 12, 2010, 12:23:04 PM
Not sure what to make of this. On the one hand we have yet another person claiming to be "in the know". We have no idea, like Mo said where this came from. I dont want to rule him out just yet though cause he does seem sincere...but dont they all? LOL

Then on the other hand we now have proof that MJ DID perform DD...why are they covering that up?

If what he claims about AEG recording everything "just in case" MJ bails then that pisses me off to no end. Its ALAWAYS about money.........always. How do people end up so damn greedy? Why would they force him to do 50 concerts if they KNEW he maight back out somehow? They HAD to know something was up...they had to. I know MJ liked to have his stuff recorded but still.

I cant even think right now.

And the foot thing. If his feet really were messed up, and this was really for real, then yes, they should have mentioned this in his autopsy...but they didnt. Just like they never mentioned his Pepsi scar....something is going on and I will not rest until I know what it is dammit.

This thread will be the talk of the town for the next few days or weeks....things keep popping up and we need to really clear our heads and figure this out....THINK!!!
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 12, 2010, 12:25:47 PM
There has to be a reason why the Dirty Diana footage has been hidden,.....  what does it show that they dont want us to see???
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: essenceofebony0to9 on February 12, 2010, 12:28:13 PM
Because the love of money is the root to ALL evil... Money is also a defense thus saith the Word of God
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 12, 2010, 12:34:44 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]MICHAEL DEFINITELY DIDN'T NEED A WOMAN TO MAKE HIM HAPPY.  BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE NEVERLAND BEING HIM. HE WAS NEVER THE SAME. ITS NOT FAIR.

i disagree.  I think the love of a good woman...  a woman who he could build a family with and to love him and support him...  and be there to advise and protect him...  would have made a big difference in his life.

I think it was a great source of sadness to MJ that he didnt have the conventional family of wife and children.


I SOOOO agree with you. I believe people are made for each other..everyone is destined with a soul mate. Some people find their soul mate and others never do...either out of choice or they simply cannot find them on this huge planet....they search and search but they never become "one".  Just two lost souls wandering around asking themsleves why they cant find their perfect mate.
MJ so deserved to find his. He really did and it makes me so sad that he never found her. He probably met her at least once but never got the chance to connect with her.

God, Im making myself cry... :(
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 12, 2010, 12:35:25 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
There has to be a reason why the Dirty Diana footage has been hidden,.....  what does it show that they dont want us to see???


MJ in bed with 2 women.....
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: i[MISS]my[KING] on February 12, 2010, 12:40:48 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]MICHAEL DEFINITELY DIDN'T NEED A WOMAN TO MAKE HIM HAPPY.  BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE NEVERLAND BEING HIM. HE WAS NEVER THE SAME. ITS NOT FAIR.

i disagree.  I think the love of a good woman...  a woman who he could build a family with and to love him and support him...  and be there to advise and protect him...  would have made a big difference in his life.

I think it was a great source of sadness to MJ that he didnt have the conventional family of wife and children.


I SOOOO agree with you. I believe people are made for each other..everyone is destined with a soul mate. Some people find their soul mate and others never do...either out of choice or they simply cannot find them on this huge planet....they search and search but they never become "one".  Just two lost souls wandering around asking themsleves why they cant find their perfect mate.
MJ so deserved to find his. He really did and it makes me so sad that he never found her. He probably met her at least once but never got the chance to connect with her.

God, Im making myself cry... :(

SOULMATE YES. BUT NOT EVERYONE IS STRAIGHT. IM NOT.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 12, 2010, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]MICHAEL DEFINITELY DIDN'T NEED A WOMAN TO MAKE HIM HAPPY.  BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE NEVERLAND BEING HIM. HE WAS NEVER THE SAME. ITS NOT FAIR.

i disagree.  I think the love of a good woman...  a woman who he could build a family with and to love him and support him...  and be there to advise and protect him...  would have made a big difference in his life.

I think it was a great source of sadness to MJ that he didnt have the conventional family of wife and children.


I SOOOO agree with you. I believe people are made for each other..everyone is destined with a soul mate. Some people find their soul mate and others never do...either out of choice or they simply cannot find them on this huge planet....they search and search but they never become "one".  Just two lost souls wandering around asking themsleves why they cant find their perfect mate.
MJ so deserved to find his. He really did and it makes me so sad that he never found her. He probably met her at least once but never got the chance to connect with her.

God, Im making myself cry... :(

SOULMATE YES. BUT NOT EVERYONE IS STRAIGHT. IM NOT.

But I dont believe MJ was anything other then straight.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 12, 2010, 12:45:24 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
There has to be a reason why the Dirty Diana footage has been hidden,.....  what does it show that they dont want us to see???


MJ in bed with 2 women.....

Hmm.. maybe.   :lol:    But that was part of the show that MJ wanted!  So why hide it now?  

Its one of my favourite songs.  Im upset Kenny has chosen not to show us this.  I hate it that other people have the power to hide all of the things we really want to see...  same as the Tatiana kiss on stage that has been buried.

Maybe it shows MJ as not being very well? Ive though of that theory.., hmm.. i just dont know.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 12, 2010, 12:50:41 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
There has to be a reason why the Dirty Diana footage has been hidden,.....  what does it show that they dont want us to see???


MJ in bed with 2 women.....

Hmm.. maybe.   :lol:    But that was part of the show that MJ wanted!  So why hide it now?  

Its one of my favourite songs.  Im upset Kenny has chosen not to show us this.  I hate it that other people have the power to hide all of the things we really want to see...  same as the Tatiana kiss on stage that has been buried.
Maybe it shows MJ as not being very well? Ive though of that theory.., hmm.. i just dont know.


why would they hide the Tatiana kiss? And Mj supposedly in bed with 2 women in Dirty Diana?...very strange....
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: ~Souza~ on February 12, 2010, 12:53:03 PM
Snif snif....

'nuff said  :roll:
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: KacyLovesMJ on February 12, 2010, 12:53:24 PM
I'm not one to always shoot down things but I do not believe a word of this at all. Well, except that Michael has "dancer's feet". That's highly possible since he's been dancing since he was a little boy. But most of what was said in that can be found on the internet anyway and the guy is supposed to be someone that worked on the rehearsals and didn't even know Randy's last name? Come on.  :roll:  Quite obvious that this isn't something we need to believe. And it does sound like it's something the TINI group would write. They really wanna make people believe that Michael was sickly and frail when you can plainly see that he wasn't with your own eyes (just think about how good he was moving in the Thriller performance).

I know a lot of you don't like to listen to what the family is saying right now but remember what Jermaine said on twitter... something about believing what you SEE with your own eyes because they don't lie.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: ilprincipe on February 12, 2010, 12:55:14 PM
I don't think it' s reliable...
this persons claims to know something...but has no real proofs...
only claims without any evidence...
so I'm not worried...
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 12, 2010, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Snif snif....

'nuff said  :roll:


I dont understand what you mean....smells fishy you mean?
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: simplyme on February 12, 2010, 12:59:38 PM
Quote from: "Venus7"
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Sorry guys, but I don't understand why people jump to conclusions so quickly after reading a post which is posted by a friend of someone who wants to remain anonymous ("jhon" *cough*, "Well i have said my peace..." *rolls eyes*).
The original forum to which is was posted is unknown, see http://mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87011 (http://mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87011)

No where in the entire thread is listed where the original post can be found.  Anyone could have written this, it could even be a post by the TINI group.  Just remember how some of these people all of a sudden call Kenny a murderer...

Don't take things for granted because it's published somewhere on the internet, don't jump to conclusions just like that!

"jhon" could be typo. I do that too sometimes.
To me, the message from this guy sounds like real thing, because some things he writes about were mentioned right after MJ's death. And also there is some explanation of why HD videotaping of rehearsals were made on first place.
Those pieces fit right in this puzzle, IMO

Actually, that might not be a typo.  That's is a name.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: karralyn on February 12, 2010, 01:38:39 PM
Michael Beardon did talk about the rehearsels for Dirty Diana were going to be I believe the next day, and MJ was going to have 2 girls in the bed with him..........one was Ori.  He said he hoped he didn't get killed for saying this.   Michael Beardon and George Lopez were having a conversation shortly after George Lopez's show came on the air.  It on the web somewhere, I just don't know where, but I definitely read it.
karralyn
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: See on February 12, 2010, 01:45:10 PM
THE ONLY WAY TO FIND OUT IF THIS IS FOR REAL IS TO FIND OUT IS KENNY AND THIS RENDY GUY ARE COUSINS...
BTW DOES THE AUTOPSY SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE DANCERS FEET, I MEAN THEY HAVE EVEN WRITTEN EVERY INCH OF HIM ON PAPER SURELY THEY WOULD NOT DISMISS THIS IN THE AUTOPSY!
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: ~Souza~ on February 12, 2010, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Snif snif....

'nuff said  :roll:


I dont understand what you mean....smells fishy you mean?

Troll ;)

Nothing you and I couldn't have written.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: MashMike on February 12, 2010, 01:49:41 PM
IMO this cannot be taken for granted,it's really ridiculous that this guy doesnt know Randy's name, i mean even those who ain't Mike's fans and aint well informed about all TII stuff know Randy's full name,other info that he has posted can be simply found on internet  but even if he is geniume, it doesnt mean that Michael was murdered, don't forget that Mike is too smart to let smb cheat him like Kenny and Randy,this more proves that Michael, realizing that he will not be able to do those damned 50shows and that Kenny and Randy force him to do them not taking into consideration his health conditions, decides to fool them, to disappear and to leave them with nothin', u know he cares about his health and children too much,what u think- realizing that he would not be able to do those shows, that he would dissapoint his fans,he would put in danger his life, leave his kids orphans(cause for this kids Mike is a whole world, thier only parent), would he go on with the shows??i dont think so, i just recall his last interview about all the TII stuff when he said:'I know very well when to stop, i will not put in  danger my health like James Brown and other artists performing to death, ill know when to stop in time".smth like this, so plz think about it, Michael is not that naive, he is too smart to let anybody to cheat and make advantage of him like that.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: letstalkagain on February 12, 2010, 02:15:28 PM
I believe him, he just talked about technical issues, in other words his job.  Be glad when someone who is affiliated with Michael, who obviously had to sign confidentiality agreement, risks it just to let us know.
He only talked about the rehearsals so why is everyone shooting him down ?  His statements were not ridiculous at all, like so many others claimants/so-called insiders we have heard or read in the past.

Sony will probably remove it from there site, so................, be glad you got a chance to read it.

My point is;
We need to stop shooting down everyone,as people will not give us any information as they will be too afraid of our backlash.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Confused on February 12, 2010, 02:26:59 PM
This guy is trying WAY TO HARD to come across like a normal person who is just sharing the information he has. Like the part where he says that we should check the internet for the performance and the randy name part *Come on..yeah keep it up by acting your just a working guy without a clue..like he doesn't know his last name*. A person who was working there would probably tell his story without feeling the need to come across reliable. He just wants it out. This person seems like he is saying these things with an agenda or is trying to convince us..he certainly wants us to know that Kenny and Randy are not be trusted.. But I don't think this person knows any more then we do let alone that he worked on the set.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Infinitylady on February 12, 2010, 02:32:06 PM
Quote
DancingTheDream » Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:22 pm

i[MISS]my[KING] wrote:
MICHAEL DEFINITELY DIDN'T NEED A WOMAN TO MAKE HIM HAPPY. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE NEVERLAND BEING HIM. HE WAS NEVER THE SAME. ITS NOT FAIR.

i disagree. I think the love of a good woman... a woman who he could build a family with and to love him and support him... and be there to advise and protect him... would have made a big difference in his life.

I think it was a great source of sadness to MJ that he didnt have the conventional family of wife and children.

I agree with you(DancingtheDream).  MJ said he always wanted a family. No, he didn't need to seem desparate for a woman but he said in his videos he always wanted a family so the man wanted a woman to love him for him and not for just his fortunes or parasite off of it.  I do understand that and I don't think it is nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Infinitylady on February 12, 2010, 02:34:03 PM
Quote
[bTHE JACKSONOLOGIST » Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:44 pm

i[MISS]my[KING] wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
DancingTheDream wrote:
i[MISS]my[KING] wrote:
MICHAEL DEFINITELY DIDN'T NEED A WOMAN TO MAKE HIM HAPPY. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE NEVERLAND BEING HIM. HE WAS NEVER THE SAME. ITS NOT FAIR.

i disagree. I think the love of a good woman... a woman who he could build a family with and to love him and support him... and be there to advise and protect him... would have made a big difference in his life.

I think it was a great source of sadness to MJ that he didnt have the conventional family of wife and children.


I SOOOO agree with you. I believe people are made for each other..everyone is destined with a soul mate. Some people find their soul mate and others never do...either out of choice or they simply cannot find them on this huge planet....they search and search but they never become "one". Just two lost souls wandering around asking themsleves why they cant find their perfect mate.
MJ so deserved to find his. He really did and it makes me so sad that he never found her. He probably met her at least once but never got the chance to connect with her.

God, Im making myself cry...

SOULMATE YES. BUT NOT EVERYONE IS STRAIGHT. IM NOT.

But I dont believe MJ was anything other then straight.
][/b]

I agree!!  :)
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: JACKSONGIRL on February 12, 2010, 02:37:30 PM
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]MICHAEL DEFINITELY DIDN'T NEED A WOMAN TO MAKE HIM HAPPY.  BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE NEVERLAND BEING HIM. HE WAS NEVER THE SAME. ITS NOT FAIR.
I'm not saying he needed one lol, but it would have helped, after all the women he loved that walked out on him, he could have used a good woman in his life to help him through everything, yes he has liz taylor and close friends but friendship isnt the same as having someone who can keep you company at night, and seeing that footage of Michael walking around neverland all alone, it makes me sad that he never had someone to keep him company during those long lonely nights. its just my opinion. I have been in a relationship for a long time and all i know is im thankful that i have my bf to help me thru all the rough times, you know someone to hug me and say ey its gonna be fine and give me a big bear hug and kiss you know , you cant live forever without love, sometimes you need someone to be there and unfortunately he never had that. thats what i meant.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: JACKSONGIRL on February 12, 2010, 02:38:42 PM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]MICHAEL DEFINITELY DIDN'T NEED A WOMAN TO MAKE HIM HAPPY.  BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE NEVERLAND BEING HIM. HE WAS NEVER THE SAME. ITS NOT FAIR.

i disagree.  I think the love of a good woman...  a woman who he could build a family with and to love him and support him...  and be there to advise and protect him...  would have made a big difference in his life.

I think it was a great source of sadness to MJ that he didnt have the conventional family of wife and children.
Thank you someone understands me , that what i meant he really needed a true woman's love, ya know.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: JACKSONGIRL on February 12, 2010, 02:40:21 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]MICHAEL DEFINITELY DIDN'T NEED A WOMAN TO MAKE HIM HAPPY.  BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE NEVERLAND BEING HIM. HE WAS NEVER THE SAME. ITS NOT FAIR.

i disagree.  I think the love of a good woman...  a woman who he could build a family with and to love him and support him...  and be there to advise and protect him...  would have made a big difference in his life.

I think it was a great source of sadness to MJ that he didnt have the conventional family of wife and children.


I SOOOO agree with you. I believe people are made for each other..everyone is destined with a soul mate. Some people find their soul mate and others never do...either out of choice or they simply cannot find them on this huge planet....they search and search but they never become "one".  Just two lost souls wandering around asking themsleves why they cant find their perfect mate.
MJ so deserved to find his. He really did and it makes me so sad that he never found her. He probably met her at least once but never got the chance to connect with her.

God, Im making myself cry... :(
Thank you another smartie :) see im not stupid haha :) it makes me sad thinking of all those lonely nights alone in that big neverland when he couldn't sleep , not having a girl there to just hold him and comfort him. i think he really needed someone who wouldn't walk out on him.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: JACKSONGIRL on February 12, 2010, 02:41:30 PM
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Quote from: "i[MISS
my[KING]"]MICHAEL DEFINITELY DIDN'T NEED A WOMAN TO MAKE HIM HAPPY.  BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE NEVERLAND BEING HIM. HE WAS NEVER THE SAME. ITS NOT FAIR.

i disagree.  I think the love of a good woman...  a woman who he could build a family with and to love him and support him...  and be there to advise and protect him...  would have made a big difference in his life.

I think it was a great source of sadness to MJ that he didnt have the conventional family of wife and children.


I SOOOO agree with you. I believe people are made for each other..everyone is destined with a soul mate. Some people find their soul mate and others never do...either out of choice or they simply cannot find them on this huge planet....they search and search but they never become "one".  Just two lost souls wandering around asking themsleves why they cant find their perfect mate.
MJ so deserved to find his. He really did and it makes me so sad that he never found her. He probably met her at least once but never got the chance to connect with her.

God, Im making myself cry... :(

SOULMATE YES. BUT NOT EVERYONE IS STRAIGHT. IM NOT.
woah who said anything about sexuality :S wow how did you get that from saying he needed a good woman in his life someone supportive?
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: *Mo* on February 12, 2010, 02:42:44 PM
Can we please drop the sexuality talk..?  Thank you...
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: teine21 on February 12, 2010, 02:46:53 PM
To someone who said, why did they record the rehearsals, well obviously they recorded the rehearsals because even if he doesn't do the shows or something were to happen to him, THEY could STILL get paid :evil:
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: QuirkyDiana on February 12, 2010, 02:57:31 PM
Well, that was an interesting read, but ofcourse it has to be taken with a pinch of salt because nobody can confirm the source or the information. However, it's only fair that if this is treated with scepticism because it has no source, then claims that MJ is alive that also have no source or credible evidence to back them up, must be treated likewise IMO. I wonder when people will start to talk though? I mean the dancers must have idolized MJ, if they saw anything strange going on, i'm sure at some point they will feel compelled to come out with it.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: QuirkyDiana on February 12, 2010, 03:01:13 PM
By the way, Randy phillips said the rehearsal footage was 'accidental greatness'. Don't forget, Randy has a boss too - Phillip Anschutz. I'm guessing he's the sort of person who would not want to lose on a gamble.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Venus7 on February 12, 2010, 03:25:55 PM
Here is little bit about Philip Anschutz, jewish, owns lots of oil, media and entertaiment companies. Shady, has close ties with goverment and mafia.
 http://www.portfolio.com/companies-exec ... -standard/ (http://www.portfolio.com/companies-executives/2009/08/07/who-is-philip-anschutz-and-why-is-he-in-business-with-michael-jackson-and-the-weekly-standard/)
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: kelly wright on February 12, 2010, 03:29:52 PM
Quote from: "MJLover1990"
Wow, that is very brave to put something like that out there. I admire his braveness! I think he may be right too. So is it that we can't trust Kenny Ortega and his distant cousin Randy now?
                                                           I could have told you that one all along , In other words Phillips ,AEG and Ortega had a back-up plan . Not MJ .Is what I am getting from this .
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: DancingTheDream on February 12, 2010, 03:30:13 PM
Quote from: "QuirkyDiana"
By the way, Randy phillips said the rehearsal footage was 'accidental greatness'. Don't forget, Randy has a boss too - Phillip Anschutz. I'm guessing he's the sort of person who would not want to lose on a gamble.

I believe it was planned.  

I went to see TII with a friend who isnt really a MJ fan and doesnt know anything about hoax theories and when we came out he couldnt help but wonder about "why they filmed it like that, it looked like it was filmed on purpose for a film."
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 12, 2010, 03:34:44 PM
Quote from: "Jude"
Quote from: "miss j"
wow, no doubt mike couldn't do 50! why did they force him to do 50??

To fail,it's obvious,he was set up ,to fail.
Damn them all to hell. :evil:  :x
YOU ARE TOTALLY ON POINT.  SET UP TO FAIL.  BUT HE SHOWED THEM, DIDN'T HE 8-) HE  MANAGED TO BE EVEN GREATER.  MJ IS INVINCIBLE.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: kelly wright on February 12, 2010, 03:36:17 PM
Quote from: "letstalkagain"
I believe him, he just talked about technical issues, in other words his job.  Be glad when someone who is affiliated with Michael, who obviously had to sign confidentiality agreement, risks it just to let us know.
He only talked about the rehearsals so why is everyone shooting him down ?  His statements were not ridiculous at all, like so many others claimants/so-called insiders we have heard or read in the past.

Sony will probably remove it from there site, so................, be glad you got a chance to read it.

My point is;
We need to stop shooting down everyone,as people will not give us any information as they will be too afraid of our backlash.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      AMEN TOO THAT !
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: alovesmichael on February 12, 2010, 03:39:44 PM
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Don´t like that part at all! It confirms my feeling I had from the first day i heard of foul play. I´m still thinking that Murray is the Scapegoat. I´m sorry if i repeat myself in that case all the time, but it definitely smells very very very much like conspiracy and all because of money!!
Also it confirmes my feeling that the movie TII was really just made as a garantee to get AEGs investments. It´s too unprofessional if it was planned by Michael. (I´m sorry michael if you read that, maybe you made it look like real rehearsals, don´t get me wrong). I don´t know what he would do or wouldn´t, but I think he would wear costumes, he would style his hair perfectly, he would rehearse all songs his fans wanna hear and make sure they are seen in the movie.

Don´t you think he would gave everything in this rehearsals, he wouldn´t save his voice and he would show his perfect dance moves if it was planned to be a movie???
I want to now the truth...

That's what's puzzling to me as well, Michael's a perfectionist wouldn't he want it more "ready" if it were to be a film? Many of us think that it was meant to be a film in the first place and not concerts and yeah, it probably was meant to be a film in case "something" would happen to Michael. An insurance as some of you have already mentioned  :evil: I'm also still sceptic about the lack of time, things weren't ready and the concerts were less than 2 weeks away. This guy saying Michael had only been to the rehearsals a few times, it makes you wonder if AEG knew that it might not happen. However if Michael cancelled they wouldn't get any money back would they? but if he died they would and even earn more... If they're not covering something up why are the people working on the shows not allowed to speak, what would be another reason? Could the lack of grief shown from people working on the set be that they expected this (Michael dying/collapsing) COULD HAPPEN knowing and seeing that he was in pain? Where they somehow prepared? I know it sounds very cruel but it's showbiz, show must go on right?

I've seen that interview where they mention that Michael has dancer's feet and I think it would show somehow physically and yet it's not mentioned in the AR... And Michael passed the physical even though his lungs were in a terrible state if we'd go by the AR, did they say he passed it because they needed him to do the shows? However, the AR states,as we all know, that Michael died  :( from propofol intoxication and not from poor health. Idk what to make of it but If he is gone  :cry:  :cry:  there are definitely a lot of people responsible and not just CM and they will have to answer for it! :evil:  :evil:
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: See on February 12, 2010, 03:41:35 PM
Quote from: "kelly wright"
Quote from: "letstalkagain"
I believe him, he just talked about technical issues, in other words his job.  Be glad when someone who is affiliated with Michael, who obviously had to sign confidentiality agreement, risks it just to let us know.
He only talked about the rehearsals so why is everyone shooting him down ?  His statements were not ridiculous at all, like so many others claimants/so-called insiders we have heard or read in the past.

Sony will probably remove it from there site, so................, be glad you got a chance to read it.

My point is;
We need to stop shooting down everyone,as people will not give us any information as they will be too afraid of our backlash.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      AMEN TOO THAT !

totally agree on that!.....nobody will say anything if this is the reaction they get...
btw is it not better to first see if it is true before we start bashing poeple just cuz we do not like the info they give???? If there is a hoax not every body around Michael would know it!
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: imabeliever2 on February 12, 2010, 03:50:10 PM
I don't know who this person is. But I believe what they're saying 150%!  AEG want to feed us illusions of Michael through pics and doubles to make more sales!
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: kelly wright on February 12, 2010, 04:00:46 PM
Quote from: "Venus7"
Here is little bit about Philip Anschutz, jewish, owns lots of oil, media and entertaiment companies. Shady, has close ties with goverment and mafia.
 http://www.portfolio.com/companies-exec ... -standard/ (http://www.portfolio.com/companies-executives/2009/08/07/who-is-philip-anschutz-and-why-is-he-in-business-with-michael-jackson-and-the-weekly-standard/)
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Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: awesome1 on February 12, 2010, 04:11:03 PM
Well about the rehersals being filmed, like MJ did record his rehersals, you can find the Bad and Dangerous Tour rehersals on Youtube, HIStory ones, im now so sure about, and also didnt Kenny work with Mike on Bad and DAngerous???

seems every tour Mike and Kenny work on the Rehersals are recorded, and the dirty Diana rehersals are on the UK version of The TII DVD, and there is another rehersal aswell which shoyld be interesting...

maybe they were left off to boost the sales for the DVD??
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: hesouttamylife on February 12, 2010, 04:20:29 PM
Quote from: "imabeliever2"
I don't know who this person is. But I believe what they're saying 150%!  AEG want to feed us illusions of Michael through pics and doubles to make more sales!
AGREED AGAIN!  

This is the 2nd revelation from a person who worked with Michael and the TII crew who saw what was going on up close and personal.  AEG and all of the rest of that bunch knew Michael's limitations, but were determined that they were gonna re cap their invested money come hell or high water.  It doesn't surprise me that they are not saddened.  It also would not surprise me if it had happened that This Is It did get on the road and Michael dropped on stage they would show nothing different in their levels of compassion.  They wanted to re-coup from all those ticket sales.  Nothing more.  Nothing less.  As long as they got paid, in their eyes, everything was everything.  No one can force me to believe that they were not aware,  but to make me believe they cared, that would take a miracle.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Venus7 on February 12, 2010, 04:29:16 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
things weren't ready and the concerts were less than 2 weeks away. This guy saying Michael had only been to the rehearsals a few times, it makes you wonder if AEG knew that it might not happen. However if Michael cancelled they wouldn't get any money back would they? but if he died they would and even earn more...
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You know..The AEG owner Philip Anschutz knows how to make money, he owns almost everything in here US, he will always make sure he won't loose any money and I guess he always had his plans A, B and  he most likely had plans A and B with TII tours as well....  
because the whole scenario with MJ's tour looks like one thing that already happened in Philip's Anschutz life in 1967:

As the story goes, in 1967 Anschutz borrowed heavily to buy up land after discovering oil near Gillette, Wyoming. But after making the purchase, his oil field caught on fire, threatening to destroy the nascent oilman before he could even count his first barrels of crude. To salvage the field, Anschutz hired Red Adair, the legendary oil-well firefighter, who reportedly told the young businessman, "If you don't pay me, don't ever have another oil-field fire." Not one to risk his investment—or a pass up a good side bet—Anschutz contacted Universal Pictures, which was putting together John Wayne's Hellfighters, a movie about oil-well firefighters, and negotiated a $100,000 fee to let a film crew shoot the blaze and the battle to stop it. Anschutz used that money to pay off his creditors, and after the fire was beaten, set himself along the road to unfathomable fortune—if not quite fame.

No wonder an unnamed colleague told Fortune that Anschutz "can see around corners." He probably owns those too."
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Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: melia83 on February 12, 2010, 04:56:49 PM
Someone recorded this from the rehearsals from michael, you can barely hear it, but he sings dirty diana ( maybe playback) idk. I posted this because I found it on youtube..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-16TxpaKmqg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-16TxpaKmqg)http://

Black or White

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re7R5h08cIg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re7R5h08cIg)


Will you be there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKFOkk5UgTQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKFOkk5UgTQ)
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: QuirkyDiana on February 12, 2010, 04:59:53 PM
With the rehearsal film issue, Michael could see them filming him, right? So Randy says the rehearsal film was for MJ's archives.....either way MJ had to agree to being filmed. Did he agree to be filmed as an insurance, was it genuinely for archives, or did Randy make MJ think it was for archives when really it was done in case something happened to him?

I cannot think that if MJ was murdered it was planned from the start, especially not with AEG or Kenny Ortega. Why would they go to such lengths wih costume, stage design, special effects, advertising etc only to bump off the main man just as it was beginning to start. That doesn't make sense to me. What i can imagine is someone outside of TII production knocking MJ off his pedestal, like someone connected to Sony, who had something to gain from the heightened publicity surrounding MJ. However, I can also imagine that if near the end, some big players (Tom Barrack, Anschutz) got word that it was highly likely MJ was not going to deliver, i can see something happening there. Then there is Thome, who is directly connected to Tom Barrack. Did Thome get to the doctor? Did anyone get to the doctor, or was it just his mistake? And how did Murray get into MJ's circle, and who hired him for the tour? Then there are the people who were brought in just before MJ died, Branca/Mclain, Frank Dileo. Am i right in saying Frank Dileo has nothing to gain from the MJ estate now that he has no client?
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: QuirkyDiana on February 12, 2010, 05:35:38 PM
One other thing - when DiLeo was rehired, did he do anything during this brief period that would in hindsight (after MJ's death) not benefit or be detrimental to MJ, or anything that benefits someone/something else? If DiLeo was part of a conspiracy, i can't see his role at the moment? Also why did Thome still have 5 million dollars of MJ's still after he was fired? Does that kind of imply that MJ was not aware of what Thome was doing with his money?

I thought i would mention too how touching it was for MJ's son to prominently acknowledge the fans at the Grammy awards. If found this too, scroll down to 'Sometimes i cry, but it's fans like you that make me endure'. http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:DTWr ... clnk&gl=uk (http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:DTWroohNNWQJ:www.mj-777.com/%3Fcat%3D11+randy+phillips+to+meet+executives+to+discuss+TII&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk)
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Butterflyaway on February 12, 2010, 05:47:12 PM
I thought everyone knew that DD had been rehearsed, but the full production hadn't been rehearsed, just the song.  According to Kenny they were supposed to do the full run through on the 25th.  This piece of info is no shock, and it's not like we were lied to cuz we weren't, at least not on that fact.
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: loveforall on February 12, 2010, 06:37:26 PM
I believe he is alive no mater what people say I will keep the faith and continue to spread his message, This is really not it, This is still not the final curtain no  :)
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: gracesong on February 12, 2010, 11:28:52 PM
Quote from: "JACKSONGIRL"
Quote from: "gracesong"
I'm just shocked. If this person's account is credible, then they put him through Hell.
He wanted to do these shows for his kids, and he gave everything he had for it.
It kind of reminds me of his O2 appearance in which he stated very clearly that "this is it".
Many people wonder why he emphasized that phrase so much, but I think they have to realize he has been in this industry for so many years.
He's seen the c**p people pull sometimes and has witnessed first-hand how nasty some people can be. He was just tired and done.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but after his supposed death, there were moments when I'd just sit back, watch videos of him, and hope, just hope, that that innocence and purity wasn't taken from him. I think that people wouldn't argue if I stated that those trials really did a number on him; they hurt him more than we could ever know.
Even if one is found to be not guilty, the mere occurrence of having sexual charges filed against them is enough to ruin anyone's reputation, let alone the charge of sexual crimes against children.
I hate to say it, but I think it took part of his heart and soul. I'm blind, so I can't see his eyes or face, but I wouldn't be surprised if pre-trial and post-trial Michael look different, empty somehow.

P.S. at the person who was wondering about people not being able to speak out on Michael's condition:
Yes, that is valid. They have contracts, and those contracts state one cannot divulge details of the show, especially not now when a legal investigation might be under way. If someone admitted at AEG to doing wrong, then there would be some sort of liability.
I completely agree with you on that, those trials did a number on him. even others said he became very depressed, and i dont blame him for leaving neverland , they ruined the heart and soul of that place for him. THEY TORE HIS HEART OPEN, and he never looked at neverland the same after that , neverland WAS michael, an without neverland and the joy and happiness it brought him, he became very empty, towards the end i could see it in his eyes, his eyes said it all , he didnt have that warm feeling to them anymore, it was like they took all his happiness away, and the fact he never found a women to spend his entire life with, someone who could crawl into bed beside him and just hug him all night, was even worse, the poor guy went through hell, with no true woman by his side, everyone tore him apart, i think in the end his eyes clearly showed he was empty inside and he just wasnt the same.  
Speaking of not having a woman beside him, what do you make of that post by LMP on her mySpace talking about how she realy tried to help Michael but couldn't. I think it's since removed now, but in the blog post she stated she had tried to help him, but he kept attracting vampire-like people near him.
From what I remember, she made it sound like she left Michael because he was stubborn and wouldn't quit whatever he was doing to attract those "leaches", and it took a toll upon her health.
Why do you think he could never find a woman to fall in love with? He supposedly had a secret GF or something, but yeah...who knows?
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: KINGdom52 on February 13, 2010, 06:40:13 AM
I really don't get it !
How on Earth can someone -from this guy's post -jumps to the conclusion that Michael is dead!
He actually didn't said something that we don't already know .
It's all old news !
The dancer's feet , the pain on his back , the use of a double ?
The fact that he does so big effort to sound a natural person ...hmmmm....
And yes it could be a techcician but so what ???

Hmmmm....a tecnician for SONY maybe ?????  :twisted:
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: Doctor Death on February 13, 2010, 12:34:56 PM
Athough that IS REALLY AN INTERESTING ANGLE to the whole scenario, We have no way to verify if that is really what happened.....

The thing that bugs me is that if hes a tech guy, then why the hell on earth wouldnt he know Randy's full name??? How ridiculous is that ? I mean he wasnt the only tech guy around was he?????

If this is what really happened then I feel sorry for MJ....After all that he had given to the industry,......If this is what they did to him, then they can go F**K THEMSELVES.......


But then again this one anonymous comment DOES NOT AND I REPEAT DOES NOT SOLVE THE MANY INCONSISTENSIES THAT HAVE SURFACED IN THE PAST 7 MONTHS......

...SO I AM KINDA 50 50 RIGHT NOW.....I THINK I"LL GIVE IT A YEAR OR SO>..... :evil:  :cry:
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: hesouttamylife on May 09, 2010, 01:48:13 PM
double post
Title: Re: A Message from one of Michael's techs on TII..
Post by: hesouttamylife on May 09, 2010, 01:53:13 PM
Quote from: "karralyn"
Michael Beardon did talk about the rehearsels for Dirty Diana were going to be I believe the next day, and MJ was going to have 2 girls in the bed with him..........one was Ori.  He said he hoped he didn't get killed for saying this.   Michael Beardon and George Lopez were having a conversation shortly after George Lopez's show came on the air.  It on the web somewhere, I just don't know where, but I definitely read it.
karralyn
[youtube:11sbo923]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGxIaYeIXwY&feature=related[/youtube:11sbo923]
Though I admit this would have been pretty hot, I cannot even begin to imagine Michael wanting to place himself that close to that much fire ever again, either on or off stage.
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