Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: DancingTheDream on February 12, 2010, 02:35:55 PM
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http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/20 ... -2010.html (http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2010/02/drugs-story-february-11-2010.html)
Ive found this interesting blog.
Makes some good representations that the 2007 "drug depositions" were not legal depositions but PRODUCTIONS... and made much LATER than claimed.
Could this be all part of the plan??? This has given me a bit of hope... after all, Murrays lawyers are always claiming that they are going to use these as evidence of MJs drugs abuse.
IS MICHAEL PART OF THE PLAN... IF YOU WANT THE TRUTH, LISTEN TO MICHAEL.
Why the blue screen??? A PRODUCTION!!! :shock:
Earlier in my research of Michael, I ran across a group of depositions while looking for more recent interviews. The pesky “Drug Depositions” that began circulating on YouTube right after the release of the “This is It” Trailers on the same video site. These depositions I bookmarked because there was something “sticky” about them for me.
I began noticing things about this particular deposition (you can view one of them here ), back in late July, when I found the first one. I began bookmarking these under a separate folder on my computer. In this particular video link above, which is identical to the one I bookmarked in July, it is supposedly a deposition taken in 2007. I have seen one “Insider” version where the deposition is during a lawsuit with Mark Schaffel, and another version which tells the lawsuit is with Dieter Wisner.
The first odd thing I noticed about this “deposition” was the blue screen background in the video. Michael is answering questions regarding prescription drugs from an off camera lawyer named “Howard King”. I have seen other depositions, like this one from a year before, and this one from 1997. None of them have the blue screen background.
Also, I noticed how Michael was dressed. His makeup, his hair and his clothing were perfect. The lighting was perfect. Michael was always at a certain angle and he didn’t stray far from it. I noticed on pausing the video, that the face of Michael was much like the face in 2009’s “This is It”. Michael did not look like he did in his numerous other 2007 pictures.
Because of the tabloid nature of these videos, and since they all showed up on YouTube at the same time like an explosion, I began to question these videos. They were designed to make it look like Michael Jackson was just like any other Hollywood junkie. However, as time went on, Investigations into his death seemed to stagnate and Murray’s declaration of Propofol use came into the news, questions of Michael being responsible for his own death began to settle to the ground.
Now that the autopsy is out, and all that was found in Michael’s system was the very drugs that Murray said he administered to him through I.V. and injection, claiming he was trying to get Michael to sleep.
Some people still perpetuate the story of the drug abuse . . . as if owning ANY medications at all indicates drug abuse.
Last night after commenting on the autopsy report (which has its own questions), I went back to my trusty bookmark for the 2007 Drug deposition. However, the bookmarked video on YouTube that I’ve had for the last six months is now gone. Instead what I saw across the top of the screen on YouTube in a little yellow bar:
This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by F. Marc Schaffel Productions LLC.
Marc Schaffel Productions? Isn’t Mark Schaffel one of the many disgruntled and dismissed of Michael Jackson’s previous business associates? Marc Schaffel sued Michael Jackson over a contract dispute in association with Michael’s “What More Can I Give”. Michael had let him go when he learned that Marc was a producer of gay porn and Marc did not tell him. But that is not even the issue. What bothered me was that a deposition is a legal proceeding. Depositions are not something you can “copyright” You cannot buy “rights” to depositions.
This had my head reeling! The videos were originally put out by “The Sun”. The “Insider” has also run a show depicting portions of this same deposition. So was this a deposition? Or was this a “production”?
I had suspected a couple of months ago that the 2007 “Drug Deposition” as it has been dubbed, could possibly have been filmed much later than the 2007 time frame it claims. Michael’s appearance, the tone of Michael’s voice, his hair, his facial features, the look of his hand and fingers in the video and his demeanor just did not give the appearance that this was an authentic deposition. I have gone back and forth on this, because I was not sold on any hoax theory either. Conspiracy?
I surmise that Dr. Murray will walk. And he will walk either because he is not guilty (which I do not believe), or because he is being protected (which I DO believe, benefactor remains to be seen), or because people continue to drag out Michael’s long since treated addiction to prescription drugs, giving Murray the perfect defense.
I don’t know if it’s Michael that people love, or just the drama surrounding him. The trap is open and people are falling in. And they’re pulling Michael down with them . . . again.
More than one of Michael's friends have said they never saw any evidence of any drug use or abuse. The ones that do claim to have seen this are the very same ones out there selling interviews to the tabloids. Remember how Michael got into this mess in the first place. Do not believe everything you read, even on the forums.
When looking for the truth, the only one you should be listening to, is Michael.
[youtube:49cnyoyj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ssyxkxvHhE&feature=related[/youtube:49cnyoyj]
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Doesnt anyone else see the importance of this???
They are saying MJ made this video HIMSELF. It wasnt 2007, but much LATER...
And Murray is going to use this in his DEFENCE!!! :shock:
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If it is an official deposition, there are files/records about it the lawyers can request for viewing if necessary for verification
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If it is an official deposition, there are files/records about it the lawyers can request for viewing if necessary for verification
yes you can apply for an official court transcript
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If it is an official deposition, there are files/records about it the lawyers can request for viewing if necessary for verification
F. Marc Schaffel Productions LLC has it copywrited!!!!
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If it is an official deposition, there are files/records about it the lawyers can request for viewing if necessary for verification
F. Marc Schaffel Productions LLC has it copywrited!!!!
That probably does not matter, he just happened to film it.
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Oh........My......Gosh! I think this def just sealed the deal for me! y didnt i think of this b4....i was too busy fighting my cousin saying see MJ appearences doesnt change much look this if from 2007 and look at him in 2009 he looks the same.....all this time it was shot in 2009 (not proven but its a most likely lol) WOW omgosh this was just pure genius!!! Michael's The MAN!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :D
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If it is an official deposition, there are files/records about it the lawyers can request for viewing if necessary for verification
F. Marc Schaffel Productions LLC has it copywrited!!!!
That probably does not matter, he just happened to film it.
:roll: He is the guy making the complaint, not the guy who filmed it!!
And yes, the blue background has always puzzled me... in all the other depositions it has never been filmed like this... and MJ looks the same in 2009... the hair, the make up, the face... it all adds up.
All oddness.
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mike looks so embarassed answering these questions - i wonder
remember he was trying to get out of something
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If it is an official deposition, there are files/records about it the lawyers can request for viewing if necessary for verification
F. Marc Schaffel Productions LLC has it copywrited!!!!
That probably does not matter, he just happened to film it.
:roll: He is the guy making the complaint, not the guy who filmed it!!
And yes, the blue background has always puzzled me... in all the other depositions it has never been filmed like this... and MJ looks the same in 2009... the hair, the make up, the face... it all adds up.
All oddness.
If he has copyright, he filmed it. Sounds plausible also as he was the one filing the complaint, that he wanted to document what was said literally.
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Why isnt this one copywrited?
[youtube:sqcyyfb3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7_gvXFxAN0[/youtube:sqcyyfb3]
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Remember in the reports that went along with this, how they made a POINT of saying that MJ kept running to the bathroom? They mentioned that he was nervous and kept running to the bathroon. They made him look like a junkie - implyed he was using while there.
This is 2009 MJ for sure. Notice the newer hair style and the two locks of hair over the glasses. He has this same hair style in the video of him chewing gum and watching rehearsals. He plays with the locks of hair in it. ALSO he had his eyes refreshed - they look the same here as they do in TII. The lips are also the same. :D
Omg... you guys are genius in finding this stuff!! Bravo!
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DancingTheDream,this is an amazing finding :shock: Good work!!!!!
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Great post!! I have seen this interview on youtube not to long ago. But at that time I did not consider the blue screen.. That is really weird!! :shock:
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the 2007 in question looked like it was filmed in 07 to me. MJ looked BEAUTIFUL as usual. And he looked exactly like he did when he went to Japan. Stunning, even w/ his cute reading glasses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTyWsEjGDb0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTyWsEjGDb0)
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We said from the first time we saw it that it was more recent. But how recent? Doesn't look near to death to me ;)
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Why isnt this one copywrited?
[youtube:txfe9vdn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7_gvXFxAN0[/youtube:txfe9vdn]
I don't know why it wasn't, but I love this video. It just struck me. I remember that interview where he said those things.
I never thought twice about that blue screen. Very interesting!
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i think this is real
question is was mike telling the truth??
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http://mjjgallery.free.fr/20062008/appearances/audigier/005.jpg
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/20062008/appearances/audigier/073.jpg
Well, I found some pictures of Michael from 2007 and to me he looks the same as in the video. And my was it difficult to find a picture of him from 2007 without sunglasses on lol! The reason he looks like the 2009 Michael is probably because he didn't change much in 2 years. I still find this thread very interesting though...
The pictures were too big so I linked them instead...
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et giving press conference 1993 about mj's drug addition[youtube:13dvzhzk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXTVWM0bQ_o[/youtube:13dvzhzk]
but wasnt this supposed to be all about the jordy thing - not sure of the dates
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what about the bodyguard and gellar
[youtube:1eg2ctto]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8WqvFWGO-g[/youtube:1eg2ctto]
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what they said at the time
[youtube:3p1cs41n]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTV5lZ-Mqms[/youtube:3p1cs41n]
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geller - dislike this guy
[youtube:2qy6s79e]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL6dEaZNGG4[/youtube:2qy6s79e]
and geller you must take some responsibility - you introduced bashir
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was the milk safe?
radio talk with dr[youtube:1wy8uq23]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OerNTwII4hE[/youtube:1wy8uq23]
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Forensic Pathologist[youtube:1geat5oq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTiiQvsRSIo&feature=channel[/youtube:1geat5oq]
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If it is an official deposition, there are files/records about it the lawyers can request for viewing if necessary for verification
F. Marc Schaffel Productions LLC has it copywrited!!!!
That probably does not matter, he just happened to film it.
:roll: He is the guy making the complaint, not the guy who filmed it!!
And yes, the blue background has always puzzled me... in all the other depositions it has never been filmed like this... and MJ looks the same in 2009... the hair, the make up, the face... it all adds up.
All oddness.
If he has copyright, he filmed it. Sounds plausible also as he was the one filing the complaint, that he wanted to document what was said literally.
Marc couldn't have filmed that without Michael's approval, right?
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You might be right it is waiting there to be used.
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very interesting Video
think this is more recent then 2007...
I would say late 2008 to early 2009
His face was more caved in... just before he got some filler from Dr Klein
Blue background is strange.. It is not a blue screen (for special effects) since it is actually GREEN!!! go figure!
It seems to me that he is lying or not saying the whole truth
He knew he was filmed because he looked directly at the camera
Perfect hair, makeup and clothes like for a TV interview
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http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2010/02/drugs-story-february-11-2010.html
Ive found this interesting blog.
Makes some good representations that the 2007 "drug depositions" were not legal depositions but PRODUCTIONS... and made much LATER than claimed.
Yes, yes, yes!! I feel cheated here because I discovered this back in October, I just wasn't a member of any hoax board yet- I knew I should have joined back then..! DancingtheDream, have you seen the one from ET that's supposed to be from 2005? It's really short, but it's filmed with like a weird home movie camera- That's the one I saw in Oct- and I thought the exact same thing as you!! I don't know if it's on YT, I don't think it it, but he's in his beloved red shirt in that one and it looks just like 2009! They don't show the lawyer's face, and they never even really say why they're filming this- the guy just asks Michael about that terrible spider bite, and Michael seems nervous and you can kinda tell he's acting. Does anyone else know which one I mean?
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mike i think from the vids i have seen in the past and presently seems to have been very alert thus not generally under the influence of drug/med drugs - not typical situation.
but one of the above vid's states that the milk has particularly a likeable drug as its puts you straight out and then you wake and go, no ill hazy after effects.
the thing is if due to other circumstances - you make up contemporareous evidence to get you out of the then present circumstances, that body of evidence will almost become factual and regarded as historical fact in the future.
so if in the past mike sent out information that he was addicted or his mind was affected by med drugs, even if the basis for the message is to get him out of a contract or because of the neg media about false molestation; pp will only see the message the admittance and will not go behind the evidence that was put forward- especially later on.
if he was found to have lied than he would have a credibility issue in the future.
mike is not represented at CM's criminal trial so no one will go behind elizabeths version or mikes comments. the problem with doing this, it can backfire.
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Wow, this is a great finding!!!! It all seems staged, it's true!!! I thought that too when I first watched the video. Even his reactions to the questions, if you compare this video with the other ones linked in this topic, seem staged.
YAY!!!! :D
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to me mike looks as if he is not saying the truth or manipulating the truth in his responses, because he wanted to get out of the contract and not want the financial consequences of breaking that contract. that is an understandable human reaction. no one has every said mike was a little angel, he was a clever man. i dont mean that in a bad way. we all make decision and then look to get out of it. he was complex and dimensional and had been in the business all his life he would have learnt like reading a book how to play the system.
generally the courts will believe what is presented to them, it is for the otherside to tear it apart, that is way the better legal team the better the result because of loop holes, because technical points etc.
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It may work both ways. It only shows he was -according to himself- at some point drugged in such a way that it impaired his consciousness to the point of not even remembering to have given a power of attorney to D. Wiesner.
It does not make clear WHO did the drugging. It may have been Michael himself, yes, but it may also have been people wanting to take control over him to gain access to his assets. Same scenario seems to have been repeating itself with Tohme Tohme, remember the phonecall Michael made to J. Gaitlin? SOMEHOW Tohme got into a position where he had gained total control over Michael's business. How to do it? Just slip a little pill in his drink, wait until he is sleepy/groggy, then keep him in that state with more sufficient medication, then have him sign a power of attorney or a checque, et voila. He mentioned several times that they were trying to poison him.
Arabian Nights, wouldn't it be interesting to post your link to the forensic pathologist Youtube video into the coroner's report thread?
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very interesting Video
think this is more recent then 2007...
I would say late 2008 to early 2009
His face was more caved in... just before he got some filler from Dr Klein
Blue background is strange.. It is not a blue screen (for special effects) since it is actually GREEN!!! go figure!
It seems to me that he is lying or not saying the whole truth
He knew he was filmed because he looked directly at the camera
Perfect hair, makeup and clothes like for a TV interview
I dont think michaels face caved in he is always handsome
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It would be an interesting theory, and it does look strange with the blue screen, but to me he looks just how he looked when he went to Japan in 2007.
Edit: I found these articles dated in 2007 & 2008 speaking about this exact deposition, so it must have happened when it said it did... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,304977,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,304977,00.html) and http://www.crazydepos.com/2008/04/michael-jackson.html (http://www.crazydepos.com/2008/04/michael-jackson.html)
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http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2010/02/drugs-story-february-11-2010.html
Ive found this interesting blog.
Makes some good representations that the 2007 "drug depositions" were not legal depositions but PRODUCTIONS... and made much LATER than claimed.
Yes, yes, yes!! I feel cheated here because I discovered this back in October, I just wasn't a member of any hoax board yet- I knew I should have joined back then..! DancingtheDream, have you seen the one from ET that's supposed to be from 2005? It's really short, but it's filmed with like a weird home movie camera- That's the one I saw in Oct- and I thought the exact same thing as you!! I don't know if it's on YT, I don't think it it, but he's in his beloved red shirt in that one and it looks just like 2009! They don't show the lawyer's face, and they never even really say why they're filming this- the guy just asks Michael about that terrible spider bite, and Michael seems nervous and you can kinda tell he's acting. Does anyone else know which one I mean?
No.. ive not seen that one, i dont think ive ever seen one where he wearing a red shirt.
If you ever find it please post it. xx
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It would be an interesting theory, and it does look strange with the blue screen, but to me he looks just how he looked when he went to Japan in 2007.
Edit: I found these articles dated in 2007 & 2008 speaking about this exact deposition, so it must have happened when it said it did... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,304977,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,304977,00.html) and http://www.crazydepos.com/2008/04/michael-jackson.html (http://www.crazydepos.com/2008/04/michael-jackson.html)
Thankyou.
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[youtube:1dapmaqy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk-hb4Fwr94&feature=related[/youtube:1dapmaqy]
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@arabian nights.. very interesting video. All hell is about to break loose because the lies are unravelling.
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@arabian nights.. very interesting video. All hell is about to break loose because the lies are unravelling.
I sure hope they will because I want the whole truth! Everyonecontradicting themselves all the time is doing my head in... How many people are actually involved or are they just being fame-seeking retards that can't even convince a child with their lies?
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didn't Michael say to LMP that he DID NOT WANT TO TURN OUT LIKE ELVIS ? why would he produce a video making himself look like a drug addict ? Someone else wants him to look like a drug addict ,is the way it would appear to me . Why become {intentionally } exactly what you do not want to become . It makes no sense . Could it be that someone was preparing a senario for the future murder of MJ in advance so when he wound up dead from drugs no one would be surprised ? Were they setting up a defense for a Dr to murder Mj this far in advance ?1 st they try to make him look like a freak ,then a child molester ,and a homosexual {BTW are paedophiles usually sexually active with children ,women and men ?} and now they are trying to make him look like a hardcore drug addict .I read that the defense would be producing video that proves Mj had a bad drug problem .Will they use this video ? They better not ,it is tainted and should be inadmissable in court . I hate to be a Debbie Downer but I don't think it is possible that the DA office will properly represent Michael and his family .I think that a special prosicutor should be called in .Due to the corruption going on .There is another on going case of corruption going on right now and it involves Tom Sneddon . See the William Wagner channel on u tube . He lives in CA and taped a lot of the trial and has interviews with T. Measereau and and Aphrodite Jones . It is a case involving a women named April .I would post it but I don't know how . But anyways you all should check it out .
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Mike wanted to get out from some contract, I think from some shows in Berlin, if I'm not wrong.
He looks to me like 2007-2008 Michael.
But talking about propofol, I would like to know where is Michael's ex-Doctor Anesthesiologist who was working for Mike on HIStory tour? He said that he was putting Michael down every night after the shows and bringing him back in the morning. Why is his x Dr. staying low key?
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Mike wanted to get out from some contract, I think from some shows in Berlin, if I'm not wrong.
He looks to me like 2007-2008 Michael.
But talking about propofol, I would like to know where is Michael's ex-Doctor Anesthesiologist who was working for Mike on HIStory tour? He said that he was putting Michael down every night after the shows and bringing him back in the morning. Why is his x Dr. staying low key?
it seems on must tours he had private doctors giving him stuff
this information may not have been put on his official medical records like the ones we have
the other doctors, the causation, link may be too great to attribute blame for his death. thus it would fall on the immediate care he received.
but as i said in another thread - consider the play/book the inspector calls, the players all contributed to the woman's death, and if this is a death or a hoax the players in mikes life all contributed to the present situation death or hoax.
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But talking about propofol, I would like to know where is Michael's ex-Doctor Anesthesiologist who was working for Mike on HIStory tour? He said that he was putting Michael down every night after the shows and bringing him back in the morning. Why is his x Dr. staying low key?
There has been mentioning of that yes, but to my knowledge there was no mention of propofol specifically of having been used by those HIStory tour physician(s).
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@arabian nights... now that IS interesting, what you have put above.
RANDY JACKSON.... :shock: MICHAEL BLAMED RANDY!!!! Yet Randy is the one now who is apart from the other brothers and doesnt agree with TII and their reality show.
Randy was the one who was always portrayed as being close to MJ at the end... yet here we have MJ blaming Randy for trying to steal his fortune.
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mike in november 2008 was too sick to come to the uk
so why in march was he fit enough to come for the 02 conference?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008 ... ?site=news (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/19/2423544.htm?site=news)
Michael Jackson 'too sick' to go to court
By Europe correspondent Emma Alberici and wires
Posted Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:01am AEDT
Updated Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:17pm AEDT
Unfit for travel: 'King of Pop' Michael Jackson. (Reuters: Kiyoshi Ota, file photo)
A court in London has been told that pop star Michael Jackson is too sick to travel to London to take part in a court case initiated by Bahrain's royal family.
Jackson's lawyer presented London's High Court with a medical report on the entertainer's condition.
It said that on a best case prognosis it would be unwise for him to travel given his condition, which was not specified.
Sheikh Abdulla bin Hamad Al Khalifa, second son of the King of Bahrain, is suing his cash-strapped former friend Jackson for $US7 million ($10.9 million), demanding the repayment of several advances which the artist has argued were gifts.
According to the prince's lawyer Bankim Thanki, Jackson signed a contract to record albums, write an autobiography and stage shows, and that document noted that $US7 million would be deducted from the artist's royalties to pay for the expenses.
Jackson has asked to testify via video link from the United States.
'Personal betrayal'
Jackson visited Bahrain with his children and personal staff in the aftermath of his 2005 child molestation trial, and left in May 2006 to go to Europe and Japan.
A month later, he asked Sheikh Abdulla to sign a document releasing him from his obligations under the previous contract - a request the prince refused, Mr Thanki said.
"My client felt a strong sense of personal betrayal because this was someone he considered a close personal friend," he told the court.
"The work they had done together and the plans for the future all seemed to be totally frustrated."
Representing Jackson, Robert Englehart said: "There is no doubt that Sheikh Abdulla was very generous in his hospitality and general treatment of Michael Jackson."
"It will be my submission that this contract is clearly intended by both parties to be one of the contractual arrangements in a joint venture which never actually materialised," he added.
"This was one brick in a building which was never built."
Mr Thanki told the court on Monday that Jackson and the Sheikh have a "close personal relationship" and even collaborated on a musical project - Jackson recorded a song written by the prince which was planned as a charity single.
A recording of the song will be played in court during the trial.
The Sheikh's lawyer said he helped support Jackson financially after the 2005 trial, including a request for $US1 million in April 2005 and the $US2.2 million legal bill for the court case.
Jackson contests the claim, saying the Sheikh's case is based on "mistake, misrepresentation and undue influence."
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@arabian nights... now that IS interesting, what you have put above.
RANDY JACKSON.... :shock: MICHAEL BLAMED RANDY!!!! Yet Randy is the one now who is apart from the other brothers and doesnt agree with TII and their reality show.
Randy was the one who was always portrayed as being close to MJ at the end... yet here we have MJ blaming Randy for trying to steal his fortune.
I agree, found it peculiar as well.
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@arabian nights... now that IS interesting, what you have put above.
RANDY JACKSON.... :shock: MICHAEL BLAMED RANDY!!!! Yet Randy is the one now who is apart from the other brothers and doesnt agree with TII and their reality show.
Randy was the one who was always portrayed as being close to MJ at the end... yet here we have MJ blaming Randy for trying to steal his fortune.
I agree, found it peculiar as well.
And Michael is the one we should always listen to. The truth resonates from MJ.
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but you must agree that mike is able to bend the truth - otherwise no hoax
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so much smoke and mirrors