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Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: friendlikeme81 on February 17, 2010, 12:21:04 PM

Title: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 17, 2010, 12:21:04 PM
Please help! I think I´m going crazy! I can´t trust my eyes!!  :o  :o

I just watched the TMZ - Livestream of Murray Court again and saw this:

[attachment=1:3lf1j99j]judge with dark blotch on his face.jpg[/attachment:3lf1j99j][attachment=0:3lf1j99j]judge with smooth skin.jpg[/attachment:3lf1j99j]

It happens several times, you see dark blotch and scars appear and disappear without any reason (no change in camera position or light).

Again on 4:47-4:50, 5:10-5:14, 6:00-6:03

Is this just my perception or do you guys think that somebody is playing with us, too?

For me it seems to be manipilated pictures, reminding me of Dave Daves eyes merging into Michael eyes on LKL-interview.

Or maybe am I a bit out of control and this man has just some skin problems that are covered by make-up and appear at certain positions of his head??
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Jacksonology on February 17, 2010, 12:25:38 PM
Woah!!  :o  :o  :o  IDK, what to make out of this  :? we still don't even know the Judge's Name or Identity....
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: loma on February 17, 2010, 12:30:25 PM
Good catch!  :o
Since nothing else in the background is messed up like this, It can't be the camera; which is what I first thought.
We should investigate this better.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Datroot on February 17, 2010, 12:32:12 PM
He has make-up on 'cos he's an Actor, playing a part.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Venus7 on February 17, 2010, 12:33:33 PM
This is just camera IMO. The yellow car and book look also sharper where you can see blotches on his face. Nothing important, IMO.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 17, 2010, 12:34:58 PM
Good call!! Props to you!!!

Never saw that before.... :o  :o  :shock:  :shock:  :?:  :?:  :?:
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: frogh777 on February 17, 2010, 12:35:45 PM
Quote from: "Datroot"
He has make-up on 'cos he's an Actor, playing a part.

Damn well said, HE IS AN ACTOR, they are all actors, TMZ our cinema, since the beginning, AND MJ IS THE MAIN CHARACTER!!!
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 17, 2010, 12:38:05 PM
For me it seems to be a visual effect which has nothing to do with the real skin of the judge. Look how it slowly appears and suddenly disappears without reason as if this effect was added later.

What to make of it??   My first thoughts were: Vitiligo / Dave Dave's burned face / Am I scary??
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: See on February 17, 2010, 12:49:57 PM
LOL David Icke would LOVE this  :mrgreen:

The judge looks like this guy LMAO.... :D  (oke I know it is kinda creepy especially Bush sr. but I do not believe it so to me it is funny) :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Y7ajX-pmI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Y7ajX-pmI)

George Bush sr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwKcjRD1DNE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwKcjRD1DNE)
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Jacksonology on February 17, 2010, 12:52:32 PM
Quote from: "frogh777"
Quote from: "Datroot"
He has make-up on 'cos he's an Actor, playing a part.

Damn well said, HE IS AN ACTOR, they are all actors, TMZ our cinema, since the beginning, AND MJ IS THE MAIN CHARACTER!!!
i like to Refer to TMZ as our beLIEver Newsletter   :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 17, 2010, 12:53:59 PM
Quote from: "Venus7"
This is just camera IMO. The yellow car and book look also sharper where you can see blotches on his face. Nothing important, IMO.

I don´t want to create a bubble, so it´s good to hear your opinion.
But I don´t see that the yellow car and book look sharper when we see the blotches. It would be a distinct difference in sharpness to create the effect you see on the pictures.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: frogh777 on February 17, 2010, 01:02:05 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Quote from: "Venus7"
This is just camera IMO. The yellow car and book look also sharper where you can see blotches on his face. Nothing important, IMO.

I don´t want to create a bubble, so it´s good to hear your opinion.
But I don´t see that the yellow car and book look sharper when we see the blotches. It would be a distinct difference in sharpness to create the effect you see on the pictures.

And what the heck is about that table.. There are plenty things on that table. Is that the proper way? I mean we are talking about MJ and his ''Murder''. I was always thinkin that the judges table is always proper and clean. What we see looks like they had a party last night on that table!!
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Jacksonology on February 17, 2010, 01:03:55 PM
That whole courtroom was Junky and Messy reminded me of a Copy Room!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: loma on February 17, 2010, 01:04:30 PM
Question to people that have seen the whole thing, including this part:
Could it just be one of those "Buffering" parts?
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: _Dangerous_ on February 17, 2010, 01:11:31 PM
Are his lips purple ??? or is it just me....???????????     :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 17, 2010, 01:13:55 PM
Quote from: "loma"
Question to people that have seen the whole thing, including this part:
Could it just be one of those "Buffering" parts?

Buffering would mean there's a cut between an the camera is starting with new setups??

But it happens while the judge is speaking!! You hear and see him the whole time without a cut.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: YoungNewMJFan on February 17, 2010, 01:15:22 PM
Quote from: "_Dangerous_"
Are his lips purple ??? or is it just me....??????????? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Not just you  :shock:
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: loma on February 17, 2010, 01:17:36 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Quote from: "loma"
Question to people that have seen the whole thing, including this part:
Could it just be one of those "Buffering" parts?

Buffering would mean there's a cut between an the camera is starting with new setups??

But it happens while the judge is speaking!! You hear and see him the whole time without a cut.
:) Thanks.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 17, 2010, 01:26:30 PM
Quote from: "loma"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Quote from: "loma"
Question to people that have seen the whole thing, including this part:
Could it just be one of those "Buffering" parts?

Buffering would mean there's a cut between an the camera is starting with new setups??

But it happens while the judge is speaking!! You hear and see him the whole time without a cut.
:) Thanks.

 ;)
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: mirandacnc on February 17, 2010, 01:32:09 PM
not to bring anybody down but i think tmz is f***n with us they read our post on there website everyday ,they do this stuff to keep us coming back :evil:  IMO!!
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 17, 2010, 01:34:26 PM
Quote from: "YoungNewMJFan"
Quote from: "_Dangerous_"
Are his lips purple ??? or is it just me....??????????? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Not just you  :shock:

Carnival in Rio??  :lol:  :lol:

No, but seriously:

Could it be that there is a purple source of light in front of the judge that causes this remarkable "lipstick" and that also enlightens the face so that we can see the blotches?  

A flashlight or something like that??
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Datroot on February 17, 2010, 01:36:13 PM
You mean like stage lighting? :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 17, 2010, 01:36:54 PM
Quote from: "mirandacnc"
not to bring anybody down but i think tmz is f***n with us they read our post on there website everyday ,they do this stuff to keep us coming back :evil:  IMO!!


Could be....there was talk on here months back about when we discuss something that hasnt been on TMZ yet, it suddenely appears there.
we were asking questions about something and suddenly a few weeks later the answer appears on TMZ.....the very thing we were talking about...it was creepy weird. It happened a few times.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: loma on February 17, 2010, 01:39:12 PM
Dear TMZ,

CLUES or GTFO.  :roll:
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: ~Souza~ on February 17, 2010, 01:44:35 PM
This has nothing to do with lighting/camera angle. One moment the skin is shopped, other moments it's not. Means it was prerecorded and not live.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 17, 2010, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
This has nothing to do with lighting/camera angle. One moment the skin is shopped, other moments it's not. Means it was prerecorded and not live.

But yet all the media was outside the courthouse filming that day...
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Datroot on February 17, 2010, 01:47:11 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
This has nothing to do with lighting/camera angle. One moment the skin is shopped, other moments it's not. Means it was prerecorded and not live.

Then he would have to have had make-up on for it to be recorded - as in recording a TV show.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: ~Souza~ on February 17, 2010, 01:49:40 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
This has nothing to do with lighting/camera angle. One moment the skin is shopped, other moments it's not. Means it was prerecorded and not live.

But yet all the media was outside the courthouse filming that day...

Who is saying they didn't drink coffee or had a complete different hearing that day?
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 17, 2010, 01:52:19 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
This has nothing to do with lighting/camera angle. One moment the skin is shopped, other moments it's not. Means it was prerecorded and not live.

But yet all the media was outside the courthouse filming that day...

Who is saying they didn't drink coffee or had a complete different hearing that day?

True...but didnt we see the family going inside? And werent some TINI people there too?
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: ~Souza~ on February 17, 2010, 01:54:01 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
This has nothing to do with lighting/camera angle. One moment the skin is shopped, other moments it's not. Means it was prerecorded and not live.

But yet all the media was outside the courthouse filming that day...

Who is saying they didn't drink coffee or had a complete different hearing that day?

True...but didnt we see the family going inside? And werent some TINI people there too?

Maybe the Jacksons like coffee as well, or they had tea, I don't know.

The TINI's were only outside, so they don't know what happened inside the court house.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: mjsgirl89 on February 17, 2010, 01:55:01 PM
WOW :shock:  :shock:  :shock: ...this is crazy...i really don't know what to make of it  :?  :?  :?
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Datroot on February 17, 2010, 01:56:47 PM
Weeeeell, TMZ were the only Paps allowed inside - lights, camera, action - HOAX
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 17, 2010, 01:58:29 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
This has nothing to do with lighting/camera angle. One moment the skin is shopped, other moments it's not. Means it was prerecorded and not live.

I also think it's shopped, but I don´t know if he's smooth or scarred in reality?? Do we have any picture of him for comparison?

And if it was shopped, why didn´t they do it properly but left some parts?? Just to confuse us and keep us coming to their side?  
Or is it another clue from them to us not to rely on them, which would certainly feed our interest and keep us coming to their side but also proove the hoax??
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: mirandacnc on February 17, 2010, 01:59:15 PM
Quote from: "Datroot"
Weeeeell, TMZ were the only Paps allowed inside - lights, camera, action - HOAX


i find that in itself to be rather fishy!!! are we sure they were THE ONLY ONES ALLOWED IN??
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 17, 2010, 02:01:18 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
This has nothing to do with lighting/camera angle. One moment the skin is shopped, other moments it's not. Means it was prerecorded and not live.

But yet all the media was outside the courthouse filming that day...

Who is saying they didn't drink coffee or had a complete different hearing that day?

True...but didnt we see the family going inside? And werent some TINI people there too?

Maybe the Jacksons like coffee as well, or they had tea, I don't know.

The TINI's were only outside, so they don't know what happened inside the court house.

 :D
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Datroot on February 17, 2010, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: "mirandacnc"
Quote from: "Datroot"
Weeeeell, TMZ were the only Paps allowed inside - lights, camera, action - HOAX


i find that in itself to be rather fishy!!! are we sure they were THE ONLY ONES ALLOWED IN??

Yes they were and they filmed the proceedings.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: ~Souza~ on February 17, 2010, 02:19:02 PM
Quote from: "Datroot"
Quote from: "mirandacnc"
Quote from: "Datroot"
Weeeeell, TMZ were the only Paps allowed inside - lights, camera, action - HOAX


i find that in itself to be rather fishy!!! are we sure they were THE ONLY ONES ALLOWED IN??

Yes they were and they filmed the proceedings.

And the funny thing is that we are always watching livestreams with crap quality, and inside the courtroom they have a HD camera....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Raven on February 17, 2010, 02:19:25 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Please help! I think I´m going crazy! I can´t trust my eyes!!  :o  :o

I just watched the TMZ - Livestream of Murray Court again and saw this:

[attachment=1:2fddmi55]judge with dark blotch on his face.jpg[/attachment:2fddmi55][attachment=0:2fddmi55]judge with smooth skin.jpg[/attachment:2fddmi55]

It happens several times, you see dark blotch and scars appear and disappear without any reason (no change in camera position or light).

Again on 4:47-4:50, 5:10-5:14, 6:00-6:03

Is this just my perception or do you guys think that somebody is playing with us, too?

For me it seems to be manipilated pictures, reminding me of Dave Daves eyes merging into Michael eyes on LKL-interview.

Or maybe am I a bit out of control and this man has just some skin problems that are covered by make-up and appear at certain positions of his head??
On both my PC's I see the judge with only smooth skin. It probably has to do something with your PC, maybe the graphics card or the screen. I especially double-checked the timeframes you mention, but it's all smooth at my PC's.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Grace on February 17, 2010, 02:20:51 PM
Remember the red ears of all folks.
It must have been really hot in there.   ;)
The judge had the ventilator running.
Usually indoor rooms without any window have an air conditioning by definition.
However the red ears indicate a temperature of min. 30°C / 86°Fahrenheit when in winter in L.A. outside temp usually is nice about 25°C / 77 ° Fahrenheit.
So there must have been studio spots.
And there must have been a lot of sweat on the faces - which we did not see.
So - make-up.

I wonder where Karen Faye was that day. Only in front to distract or inside to do a job.
 ;)
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 17, 2010, 02:26:27 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Please help! I think I´m going crazy! I can´t trust my eyes!!  :o  :o

I just watched the TMZ - Livestream of Murray Court again and saw this:

[attachment=1:2op4jzv9]judge with dark blotch on his face.jpg[/attachment:2op4jzv9][attachment=0:2op4jzv9]judge with smooth skin.jpg[/attachment:2op4jzv9]

It happens several times, you see dark blotch and scars appear and disappear without any reason (no change in camera position or light).

Again on 4:47-4:50, 5:10-5:14, 6:00-6:03

Is this just my perception or do you guys think that somebody is playing with us, too?

For me it seems to be manipilated pictures, reminding me of Dave Daves eyes merging into Michael eyes on LKL-interview.

Or maybe am I a bit out of control and this man has just some skin problems that are covered by make-up and appear at certain positions of his head??
On both my PC's I see the judge with only smooth skin. I especially double-checked the timeframes you mention, but it's all smooth at my PC's. It probably has to do something with your PC, maybe the graphics card or the screen.

??? My graphics card?? So I need to return my brandnew Eee PC?? Oh no! :lol:  :lol:

Here is the link to youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JQB7-Bv-C0&feature=related

Maybe we don´t see the same video??  Or the manipulation is only done by the one who posted the video on youtube?
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: butterfly on February 17, 2010, 02:32:31 PM
It appears to be only on the youtube vid. I watched it on TMZ and there’s no change on that version.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Raven on February 17, 2010, 02:33:52 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Please help! I think I´m going crazy! I can´t trust my eyes!!  :o  :o

I just watched the TMZ - Livestream of Murray Court again and saw this:

[attachment=1:239qdrax]judge with dark blotch on his face.jpg[/attachment:239qdrax][attachment=0:239qdrax]judge with smooth skin.jpg[/attachment:239qdrax]

It happens several times, you see dark blotch and scars appear and disappear without any reason (no change in camera position or light).

Again on 4:47-4:50, 5:10-5:14, 6:00-6:03

Is this just my perception or do you guys think that somebody is playing with us, too?

For me it seems to be manipilated pictures, reminding me of Dave Daves eyes merging into Michael eyes on LKL-interview.

Or maybe am I a bit out of control and this man has just some skin problems that are covered by make-up and appear at certain positions of his head??
On both my PC's I see the judge with only smooth skin. I especially double-checked the timeframes you mention, but it's all smooth at my PC's. It probably has to do something with your PC, maybe the graphics card or the screen.

??? My graphics card?? So I need to return my brandnew Eee PC?? Oh no! :lol:  :lol:

Here is the link to youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JQB7-Bv-C0&feature=related

Maybe we don´t see the same video??  Or the manipulation is only done by the one who posted the video on youtube?
I watched the original on TMZ itself, as you did not provide a link  ;)  
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true ... 455079d9ef (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=5c5cfe0d-8218-458f-8db0-bb455079d9ef)

Scrolling up what was posted in this thread goes to show what sort of farfetched conclusions some people draw from just a bad quality video
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: loma on February 17, 2010, 02:41:57 PM
Now I see that it's just the youtube video.
 :(
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 17, 2010, 02:57:08 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Please help! I think I´m going crazy! I can´t trust my eyes!!  :o  :o

I just watched the TMZ - Livestream of Murray Court again and saw this:

[attachment=1:2vg1d39d]judge with dark blotch on his face.jpg[/attachment:2vg1d39d][attachment=0:2vg1d39d]judge with smooth skin.jpg[/attachment:2vg1d39d]

It happens several times, you see dark blotch and scars appear and disappear without any reason (no change in camera position or light).

Again on 4:47-4:50, 5:10-5:14, 6:00-6:03

Is this just my perception or do you guys think that somebody is playing with us, too?

For me it seems to be manipilated pictures, reminding me of Dave Daves eyes merging into Michael eyes on LKL-interview.

Or maybe am I a bit out of control and this man has just some skin problems that are covered by make-up and appear at certain positions of his head??
On both my PC's I see the judge with only smooth skin. I especially double-checked the timeframes you mention, but it's all smooth at my PC's. It probably has to do something with your PC, maybe the graphics card or the screen.

??? My graphics card?? So I need to return my brandnew Eee PC?? Oh no! :lol:  :lol:

Here is the link to youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JQB7-Bv-C0&feature=related

Maybe we don´t see the same video??  Or the manipulation is only done by the one who posted the video on youtube?
I watched the original on TMZ itself, as you did not provide a link  ;)  
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true ... 455079d9ef (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=5c5cfe0d-8218-458f-8db0-bb455079d9ef)

Scrolling up what was posted in this thread goes to show what sort of farfetched conclusions some people draw from just a bad quality video

Sorry for not providing the link. :oops:  But you did have the headline of the youtube video for searching this particular one.

So I watched it on TMZ now and you are right, it doesn´t appear on their footage.
So we don´t blame it on TMZ, but on the bad quality of the youtube vid?

--> Really? You think this effect is a matter of quality? I don´t want to offend anyone and I'm happy that we can debunk the blotches because they were not nice for our dear judge  :lol:  but quality???  

 :roll:
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Raven on February 17, 2010, 03:07:40 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Please help! I think I´m going crazy! I can´t trust my eyes!!  :o  :o

I just watched the TMZ - Livestream of Murray Court again and saw this:

[attachment=1:1kxy7eax]judge with dark blotch on his face.jpg[/attachment:1kxy7eax][attachment=0:1kxy7eax]judge with smooth skin.jpg[/attachment:1kxy7eax]

It happens several times, you see dark blotch and scars appear and disappear without any reason (no change in camera position or light).

Again on 4:47-4:50, 5:10-5:14, 6:00-6:03

Is this just my perception or do you guys think that somebody is playing with us, too?

For me it seems to be manipilated pictures, reminding me of Dave Daves eyes merging into Michael eyes on LKL-interview.

Or maybe am I a bit out of control and this man has just some skin problems that are covered by make-up and appear at certain positions of his head??
On both my PC's I see the judge with only smooth skin. I especially double-checked the timeframes you mention, but it's all smooth at my PC's. It probably has to do something with your PC, maybe the graphics card or the screen.

??? My graphics card?? So I need to return my brandnew Eee PC?? Oh no! :lol:  :lol:

Here is the link to youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JQB7-Bv-C0&feature=related

Maybe we don´t see the same video??  Or the manipulation is only done by the one who posted the video on youtube?
I watched the original on TMZ itself, as you did not provide a link  ;)  
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true ... 455079d9ef (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=5c5cfe0d-8218-458f-8db0-bb455079d9ef)

Scrolling up what was posted in this thread goes to show what sort of farfetched conclusions some people draw from just a bad quality video

Sorry for not providing the link. :oops:  But you did have the headline of the youtube video for searching this particular one.

So I watched it on TMZ now and you are right, it doesn´t appear on their footage.
So we don´t blame it on TMZ, but on the bad quality of the youtube vid?

--> Really? You think this effect is a matter of quality? I don´t want to offend anyone and I'm happy that we can debunk the blotches because they were not nice for our dear judge  :lol:  but quality???  

 :roll:
Yes, bad quality, some sort of digital distortion. What else would you call it?
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: mmz on February 17, 2010, 03:13:47 PM
Honestly,I thoght it was just the bad quality of the filming..
anyway..you are right...all that trial seemed so NOT PROFESSIONAL!!! Before the thread about the yellow car toy,I had noticed and I told myself:There must be Michael in it!
Anyway..I tried to investigate on the judge name,but have not found anything yet...
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 17, 2010, 03:18:01 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Please help! I think I´m going crazy! I can´t trust my eyes!!  :o  :o

I just watched the TMZ - Livestream of Murray Court again and saw this:

[attachment=1:24ec6l23]judge with dark blotch on his face.jpg[/attachment:24ec6l23][attachment=0:24ec6l23]judge with smooth skin.jpg[/attachment:24ec6l23]

It happens several times, you see dark blotch and scars appear and disappear without any reason (no change in camera position or light).

Again on 4:47-4:50, 5:10-5:14, 6:00-6:03

Is this just my perception or do you guys think that somebody is playing with us, too?

For me it seems to be manipilated pictures, reminding me of Dave Daves eyes merging into Michael eyes on LKL-interview.

Or maybe am I a bit out of control and this man has just some skin problems that are covered by make-up and appear at certain positions of his head??
On both my PC's I see the judge with only smooth skin. I especially double-checked the timeframes you mention, but it's all smooth at my PC's. It probably has to do something with your PC, maybe the graphics card or the screen.

??? My graphics card?? So I need to return my brandnew Eee PC?? Oh no! :lol:  :lol:

Here is the link to youtube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JQB7-Bv-C0&feature=related

Maybe we don´t see the same video??  Or the manipulation is only done by the one who posted the video on youtube?
I watched the original on TMZ itself, as you did not provide a link  ;)  
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true ... 455079d9ef (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=5c5cfe0d-8218-458f-8db0-bb455079d9ef)

Scrolling up what was posted in this thread goes to show what sort of farfetched conclusions some people draw from just a bad quality video

Sorry for not providing the link. :oops:  But you did have the headline of the youtube video for searching this particular one.

So I watched it on TMZ now and you are right, it doesn´t appear on their footage.
So we don´t blame it on TMZ, but on the bad quality of the youtube vid?

--> Really? You think this effect is a matter of quality? I don´t want to offend anyone and I'm happy that we can debunk the blotches because they were not nice for our dear judge  :lol:  but quality???  

 :roll:
Yes, bad quality, some sort of digital distortion. What else would you call it?

no nothing else..., better not.

Maybe we should suggest a new title for the vid on Youtube:

NEW  and BAD -Conrad Murray in Court! Part2 TMZ Livestream!

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

But thank you guys for investigating this with me!
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: still beLIEve on February 17, 2010, 03:53:58 PM
Well.... I noticed that too.... but I didn´t want to give it credit.... because I´ve seen a lot of videos on youtube about reptilian people??? did you see those?? it´s the same effect... (someone put one up here)

I´m not sure what is it.... but I´m sure is a technical thing.... maybe not on purpose... but when you convert it from one format to another for example to uploaded to youtube....

Or maybe a way to make us watch some information about it... who knows.....

Anyway for those who are learning about illuminatis would love to learn something about reptilians.... I´m a little skeptical about that....but.....  I do believe in pleiadians..... so.... at least this is interesting....

It is quite something to absorb from our conditioned version of reality. But, then, that is the very point. If you want to keep something from the people, give them a version of reality and possibility that is so far from what is really going on that even if the truth comes to light it will seem far too ludicrous and extreme for most people to believe it.

Indeed, if you do your job well enough, the people will laugh at the truth, call it insane, and ridicule anyone who promotes it.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_ ... ien_29.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_vida_alien_29.htm)
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: ClassOf2013 on February 17, 2010, 04:06:45 PM
That's soo weird :geek:
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Raven on February 17, 2010, 04:08:50 PM
REPTILLIANS?????

Some people in here seem to have lost total touch with reality. You really need to have a talk with your general physician, these are truly worrying thoughts.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: ForeverTrue on February 17, 2010, 04:09:21 PM
wait wasn't this live on tmz?
if this really WAS prerecorded, then it CAN'T be live, and tmz IS on to something :!:
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: 515angel on February 17, 2010, 04:16:18 PM
No live cameras were allowed in the courtroom that day. TMZ had live updates from
someone inside. The film would have been recorded and not live.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: still beLIEve on February 17, 2010, 04:16:29 PM
Quote from: "ForeverTrue"
wait wasn't this live on tmz?
if this really WAS prerecorded, then it CAN'T be live, and tmz IS on to something :!:

live doesn´t mean it´s in the same time it´s happening..... that is a common error....

live means it´s not edited.... but they can show it later...
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: still beLIEve on February 17, 2010, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: "Raven"
REPTILLIANS?????

Some people in here seem to have lost total touch with reality. You really need to have a talk with your general physician, these are truly worrying thoughts.


Well I´m saying I´m skeptical about it..... but at least we have to read about everything and make our own conclusions...... did you read something about it?

If I post this here is because I think this is a forum with open minded people..... where we can discuss it... not just debunk it because it´s crazy.... everything is crazy here.....
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: the arabian nights on February 17, 2010, 04:26:06 PM
pass the happy juice round  :lol:

he's just a judge doing his job - give him a break
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: ilprincipe on February 17, 2010, 04:26:47 PM
Quote from: "Jacksonology"
Woah!!  :o  :o  :o  IDK, what to make out of this  :? we still don't even know the Judge's Name or Identity....

I thought the judge's name was "Keith L. Schwartz"
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: ForeverTrue on February 17, 2010, 04:33:58 PM
**MAJOR CONFUSION**
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: CrazyBanana on February 17, 2010, 05:39:02 PM
Quote from: "still beLIEve"
Quote from: "Raven"
REPTILLIANS?????

Some people in here seem to have lost total touch with reality. You really need to have a talk with your general physician, these are truly worrying thoughts.


Well I´m saying I´m skeptical about it..... but at least we have to read about everything and make our own conclusions...... did you read something about it?

If I post this here is because I think this is a forum with open minded people..... where we can discuss it... not just debunk it because it´s crazy.... everything is crazy here.....

@Raven: why so judgemental, you know your comments hurt some people! just because someone has different beliefs doesnt mean they should be taken meds or speaking to docs
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: tabloidburn on February 17, 2010, 05:53:33 PM
what does 'tmz' stand for anyway???

maybe...the michael zone?
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Raven on February 17, 2010, 05:57:12 PM
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
Quote from: "still beLIEve"
Quote from: "Raven"
REPTILLIANS?????

Some people in here seem to have lost total touch with reality. You really need to have a talk with your general physician, these are truly worrying thoughts.


Well I´m saying I´m skeptical about it..... but at least we have to read about everything and make our own conclusions...... did you read something about it?

If I post this here is because I think this is a forum with open minded people..... where we can discuss it... not just debunk it because it´s crazy.... everything is crazy here.....

@Raven: why so judgemental, you know your comments hurt some people! just because someone has different beliefs doesnt mean they should be taken meds or speaking to docs
If it is totally normal it will do no harm to visit the general practicioner. He can decide whether it is really a "belief" or something else.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: THE JACKSONOLOGIST on February 17, 2010, 06:04:15 PM
Knock it off people!!

I have already warned another group to lay off each other. I will start locking threads or deleting them...
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on February 17, 2010, 07:23:32 PM
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Please help! I think I´m going crazy! I can´t trust my eyes!!  :o  :o

I just watched the TMZ - Livestream of Murray Court again and saw this:

[attachment=1:3amqa4id]judge with dark blotch on his face.jpg[/attachment:3amqa4id][attachment=0:3amqa4id]judge with smooth skin.jpg[/attachment:3amqa4id]

It happens several times, you see dark blotch and scars appear and disappear without any reason (no change in camera position or light).

Again on 4:47-4:50, 5:10-5:14, 6:00-6:03

Is this just my perception or do you guys think that somebody is playing with us, too?

For me it seems to be manipilated pictures, reminding me of Dave Daves eyes merging into Michael eyes on LKL-interview.

Or maybe am I a bit out of control and this man has just some skin problems that are covered by make-up and appear at certain positions of his head??


Hi,
actually you are not going crazy, look at his nose.. the first picture the tip of his nose is flat, and the other picture without any blemishes it is pointy. Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me too..
What does anyone think?
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Ninanina on February 17, 2010, 07:55:00 PM
Quote from: "Jacksonology"
Woah!!  :o  :o  :o  IDK, what to make out of this  :? we still don't even know the Judge's Name or Identity....

The judge is Keith L. Schwartz - just googled him.
http://www.life.com/image/96510331 (http://www.life.com/image/96510331)

And he seems to be a real judge, but I didn't comb the whole net, yet...
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: mjjveritas on February 17, 2010, 08:11:41 PM
Perhaps the judge is shapeshifting before our very eyes!
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Nakiska on February 17, 2010, 08:32:54 PM
friendlikeme,
this is VERY interesting! Good find. I dont thinks its the bad quallity of the video, cause those flaws appears only on the face! If it was the bad quallity thing it would also appear at the hands or neck for exemple. Very weird... :?
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: still beLIEve on February 18, 2010, 12:09:38 AM
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
Quote from: "still beLIEve"
Quote from: "Raven"
REPTILLIANS?????

Some people in here seem to have lost total touch with reality. You really need to have a talk with your general physician, these are truly worrying thoughts.


Well I´m saying I´m skeptical about it..... but at least we have to read about everything and make our own conclusions...... did you read something about it?

If I post this here is because I think this is a forum with open minded people..... where we can discuss it... not just debunk it because it´s crazy.... everything is crazy here.....

@Raven: why so judgemental, you know your comments hurt some people! just because someone has different beliefs doesnt mean they should be taken meds or speaking to docs

Thank you very much for your support... but this is really not my beliefs.... I try to keep myself informed.... and I saw and read stuff about it.... and this is clearly a video of shapeshifting..... I don´t know if it´s real.... I don´t know why this happens.... but if it´s in this video, even if it´s fake.... I think is giving us a link to that information.... so I´m sharing this for those who never heard about it.....

Because it connects to the iluminati thing.... so some may think is interesting..... the ones who don´t... well... it´s up to you....

LOVE people!
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Game Player on February 18, 2010, 03:07:32 AM
First picture reminds me of dave dave's burned and scarred skin.

Michael always wanted to bring awareness to burn victims.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: TinkerbellStardust on February 18, 2010, 03:14:54 AM
Good spottet! This so proves it to be even more fake than before! So weird.. Wonder what it means.. Did anyone consider if there's a meaning to the crossed out dates on the calenders behind the ''judge''? I cant make any out of 'em but somehow they spring in my eyes..
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: wandulka on February 18, 2010, 03:58:10 AM
I googled "Keith L. Schwartz" and it only found results related to Michael Jackson which is odd since this guy is a judge in LA!
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: MJEnjoyYourself on February 18, 2010, 07:30:26 AM
hi guys!

look at his hands, it seems that happens the same that at his face..
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Grace on February 18, 2010, 02:24:03 PM
This is going to be a longer post – I would like to share my observations from watching the youtube videos. It will not be boring, so go through it with a smile. ;)

IMHO the videos have been published to draw our attention to some important aspects we did not look into so far.

The judge is speaking AND explaining all the time more or less in a kind of monologue which is (as to my knowledge) only a used technique in court when reading and explaining a sentence and the reasons for it - but not before. The judge listens to the others before in order to form his opinion and judgement.

So in this play, the judge IMO is the messenger or brickman and all other decorations around him are giving some ambience like in a theater where a scene will not only live from the actors but from the stage elements like a chair and a table.
We know already what Doc Murray said so far had more to do with Michael than with Doc Murray. So read between the lines of what the judge said. Think twice about the sentences.

There are three aspects about the coloration / decoloration of the skin that jumped into my eyes: (what I call the "The Miracle of the PALING FACES" ;))
1)   “It does not matter if you’re black or white”
2)   When do we find the remarkable disappearances after building up what looks like splotches of age as you would find at elderly people (focus on time again)
3)   What happens when the coloration goes away (as it builds up slowly but disappears quickly – just like Michael – I did focus on the disappearance rather than the appearance).

I am not fully done with the analyses of the three videos – if you notice different things I ran over or misinterpreted, please add, correct, fill them in. If I did not understand the words right – the sound sometimes was a catastrophy and English is not my first language. Be patient with me pls, correct me where needed, I’ll be happy about your findings.

Details on aspect #1 (skin color black or white):
This is a very obvious association with the fact that there are African Americans who will be treated differently than Caucasian Americans – in the public eye, in court, in daily life. No matter how many “equal rights” there are.

Details on aspect #2 (time, when does the coloration go away):
The photoshopped skin coloration goes away just before:
in JackylovesMJJ’s youtube video part 1
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/user/JackylovesMJJ#p/u/9/64fvgO_vmjA[/YouTube]

On the judge’s face
(0:50) “Now I’ve been told by the parties that the date that you all wish is for the next freedom setting day would be April 5. Is that acceptable for defence [defence or “the fans”]?”

On CM’s face
(2:02) “… court days” [court = short in French - short days = soon? Maybe we should review the full sentence I had difficulties to grasp]

On the judge’s face
(3:38) “Go ahead – I’d be happy to listening to what you have to say.”


in JackylovesMJJ’s youtube video part 2

[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/user/JackylovesMJJ#p/u/8/5JQB7-Bv-C0[/YouTube]

On EC’s face
(0:25) “then anybody who had financial problems then would have a higher bail“ [remark: bails do have different meanings in law terms – it could also be a financial security for a loan of a third party]

(2:27) “and I try to do that in each of the cases I do set up bails.”

(3:13) “Now obviously if a case turns on the unique fabs, I have to look at the nature of the charges, I have to look at criminal record, …”

(4:26) "You know, people can’t disappear of the face of the earth in a global technology likeness. People can be found at some point."

(4:50) "I mean, people have family outside of the United States, it’s not unreasonable to visit them so I don’t know that that’s a specific factor"


[Intermezzo:]
[judge still pale] (5:00) “not paying child support; I guess [the blonde lady comes in left to right passing behind the judge], in a sense you can’t believe [the blonde lady walks out right to left passing again behind the judge] that’s you know violating the court order”


(5:15) “In other words, you know, I don’t know, you know, somebody has the ability to pay and if they are unable to pay because of that, it’s not that you’re not willing at, that’s a factor”

(5:30) “in the sense of what the government is suggesting: hey, he’s told us he’s coming back, he’s not gonna come back.”

(5:41) “the nature of the defense in this case which is very significant and also that he has a primary residence out of the State of California”

(6:02) “I think that’s a reasonable given all of the factors and it’s three times the bail schedule and it’s not as much as the government requested.”

in JackylovesMJJ’s youtube video part 3
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/user/JackylovesMJJ#p/u/7/dnjqa4c0oH4[/YouTube]

(0:50) “(the department of justice) is actually hold this and gonna put your name on a list so that you can’t apply for another passport cause they’re gonna freeze it so that’ll be turned over to the government for that purpose”

(1:13) “I don’t see any reason to contrail his travel if it was outside the United States”

(1:38) “You understand that, Dr. Murray?”

(2:27) “You may not under any circumstances use any anaesthetic agent such as specifically Propofol."

(2:51) “not a physician but they’re on the same class of those types of drugs”

[Famous intermezzo:]
[3:31: “I don’t want YOU sedating people.” ]


On CM’s face:
(3:40) “They’re gonna be doing that, that’s fine, but I’m worried about the sedation aspect of this.”

On judge’s face
(4:50) “Other people are gonna be responsible for the sedation of the patient – not Dr. Murray.”



Now I do not know who this person is who setting up a Youtube Channel on Feb 4, 2010 and is having all those rare footages to offer – backstage WATW recording, rare interviews etc.

I recommend to watch her videos. Vividly I recommend to watch this particular one:
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/user/JackylovesMJJ#p/u/0/HcbldWdWP6Y[/YouTube]

It talks about the CM voicemail (I wonder who leaked that one) and an “overseas sabbatical” which is usually an unpaid vacation period one would take for a special personal project or for staying with a newborn child. So we are talking about a temporary absence for important reason.

Now this together with the somewhat pointed out utterances of spokesman Mr. Schwartz (a German last name meaning “black”), I have more questionmarks than answers but yes, I never excluded additional family somewhere on the globe. It is all for L.O.V.E. hmmm.


I did not forget about the
Details on aspect #3 (what happens when coloration disappears):

This is getting somewhat creepy now.  :shock:  :mrgreen:  :lol:

Look at the screenshots I took from the youtube videos and tell me what you see.
Do you see Michael’s eyes on the forehead of the judge?

[attachment=3:ra6ivijl]Judge_part2_face.jpg[/attachment:ra6ivijl]

[attachment=2:ra6ivijl]judge_part3_1-13_face_greenshot_2010-02-18_19-10-49.jpg[/attachment:ra6ivijl]

[attachment=1:ra6ivijl]judge_part3_2-22_face_greenshot_2010-02-18_19-10-49.jpg[/attachment:ra6ivijl]

[attachment=0:ra6ivijl]judge_part3_2-48_face_greenshot_2010-02-18_19-10-49.jpg[/attachment:ra6ivijl]

Now you could say, JackylovesMJJ is just another fan and maybe she has many MJ videos on her desktop and somehow it happened that in her video software some images of the MJ fan videos would have been incorporated in a separate layer into the TMZ video.

This is my opinion: NO WAY this is just a fan’s coincidental spontaneous video overlay, just by accident.
Not on the background of above cited text of the play.
Not on the background of the technique used to project MJ’s eyes on the judge’s forehead.
These MJ eyes and faces are not flat 2-dimensional. They are 3-dimensional surrounding the face of the judge and adapting to the dimensions and angles of the forehead.

Now what do we make out of this?
Either JackylovesMJJ is a fan having no idea of what she was handed to publish on youtube.
Or JackylovesMJJ is another brickman.
In any case, the production and publication of these 3 videos on youtube is not triggered by any accident.

Looks like Michael is watching this, doesn't it?  :mrgreen:
Does he want one more time point out that it is ALL FAKE?
I haven't found a window to look into Michael's thoughts, yet.
But he IS without any doubt a master sans pareil.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Raven on February 18, 2010, 02:29:08 PM
:shock: Grace, the original video is normal. Just read the previous posts in this thread.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Grace on February 18, 2010, 02:34:28 PM
I know - that's why the changes are so "a-normal"  ;)
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 18, 2010, 04:25:45 PM
@grace: interesting post. It needs some weird imagination but especially in the first screenshot we can see a face.

Maybe this one:

[attachment=0:1mwsz2lq]DaveDaveIII.jpg[/attachment:1mwsz2lq]

It wasn´t easy to find an appropriate shot but there is a slight ressemblance with DaveDave on LKL (without glasses, though). I put real Dave aside to make a comparison.

 I also noticed the point that blotches appeared when the judge was saying: "people can’t disappear from the face of the earth"  --> which could mean dave dave doesn´t disappear, he´s still there, remind him

It is really weird, because it is really looking something into the pictures we see. But maybe this is what the video poster invites us to do??

I remember there is a tradition of hidden messages in pictures just like the skull at Holbein's picture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ambass ... Holbein%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ambassadors_%28Holbein%29)
You can only recognize it at an certain angle.

Or maybe the blotches on the judges face are a 3D-effect? Don´t know how it would work, but maybe someone knows?
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: the arabian nights on February 18, 2010, 05:16:47 PM
i cant believe that you regard this as a clue, and that you are very cruel with the comments that you have made

this is american justice that you are tearing up

cm is being processed for the death of mike, if mike is really dead this is a serious matter, the judge is dealing with this as a serious matter, but you guys are being disrepectful, is your behaviour appropriate

what happened to justice for mj

or is that only after you tear pp up

how different are we from the sun newspaper or the other trashy publications that tore mj up

harsh words from me  - i think not
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: the arabian nights on February 18, 2010, 05:18:05 PM
this is cyber bullying
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Tink.I.Am on February 18, 2010, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: "loma"
Quote from: "friendlikeme81"
Quote from: "loma"
Question to people that have seen the whole thing, including this part:
Could it just be one of those "Buffering" parts?

Buffering would mean there's a cut between an the camera is starting with new setups??

But it happens while the judge is speaking!! You hear and see him the whole time without a cut.
:) Thanks.
maybe  someone is projecting the irregular skin blotches on him?  hmmm strange
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: TinkerbellStardust on February 18, 2010, 05:49:55 PM
Quote from: "mirandacnc"
not to bring anybody down but i think tmz is f***n with us they read our post on there website everyday ,they do this stuff to keep us coming back :evil:  IMO!!

Yes, it could very well also be someone playing funny games.. I am sure they are keeping their eye on us as we are on them.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: mjjveritas on February 18, 2010, 05:57:05 PM
the arabian nights, You're saying Conrad Murray is being "processed", you mean like "cheese". Do you not mean "prosecuted".  :roll:  :lol:
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Grace on February 18, 2010, 11:54:30 PM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
i cant believe that you regard this as a clue, and that you are very cruel with the comments that you have made

this is american justice that you are tearing up

cm is being processed for the death of mike, if mike is really dead this is a serious matter, the judge is dealing with this as a serious matter, but you guys are being disrepectful, is your behaviour appropriate

what happened to justice for mj

or is that only after you tear pp up

how different are we from the sun newspaper or the other trashy publications that tore mj up

harsh words from me  - i think not

No harsh words, but just to remember:

HOW was Michael being treated when he met "justice" twice in his life?
HOW are African Americans, Puertoricans, Asians being treated meeting "justice"?
HOW are ordinary people being treated meeting "justice" face to face?

We are not mocking. We are looking at what is out there for us to see.

If we find something is funny, we are permitted to laugh - even about a court room that is so obviously being decorated for a spectacle to watch.
Even on a cemetery there is laugh and I am grateful for that this means no disrespect but is representing life as much as a butterfly on a cemetery's green.

If we find strange things to note we will note them.
That's why we came here and why we stay here.

Murray's first court movie contained four windows and a meadow.
Murray's second movie contains toys, very nice explanations and a lot more.
The remakes of Murray's second movie contain even more aspects.

I am not talking about clues because there are no clues.
Who needs clues? We are not placing scavenger hunt.
There is reality and show and everybody here was invited to participate in either one.
Everybody's choice every day every second where to go.

"This will separate women from girls and men from boys."
L.O.V.E. and S.M.I.L.E.
L.I.V.E. and L.A.U.G.H.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: friendlikeme81 on February 19, 2010, 11:30:20 AM
As Grace said, nobody is forced to play the mind games we are doing. Anybody who thinks that looking for faces in blotches on manipulated videos is ludicrous, it´s o.k. Feel free to ignore it.

I can´t remember having postulated to have found a major clue. For me it´s just a heuristic way of looking for new findings. I'm very well aware of the methods I and some others are using and I think I manage to keep the distance to what I see or imagine to see.

But still: I beLIEve in the hoax more than ever. That´s why I don´t feel any moral problems when I dissect pictures.

This is part of the game, and by the way, it´s the only thing we can do: Look, listen, analyze and thus contribute to the interactive show.

So: Enjoy!! We are the audience!!   :D  :D
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: the arabian nights on February 19, 2010, 01:23:38 PM
Quote from: "mjjveritas"
the arabian nights, You're saying Conrad Murray is being "processed", you mean like "cheese". Do you not mean "prosecuted".  :roll:  :lol:

i do not work in the US, i understand that CM attended an arraignment hearing.

but it is common to say that pp are processed through the criminal justice system,

i dont appreciate you laughing at me
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Grace on February 19, 2010, 02:05:19 PM
the arabian nights, you do contribute very specific aspects here that may sometimes not be following the majority opinion or way of thinking.
We seem to be so much americanized to forget that the true majority of people on planet earth is not living under American influence. Happily we have this multitude of cultures and points of view.

Don't feel offended pls if there are misunderstandings or misinterpretations.
I do appreciate your input coming from a different horizon.  :)
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: mjjveritas on February 19, 2010, 02:25:32 PM
the arabian nights, I'm sorry, I was not laughing at you. The judicial system will process Conrad Murray but the judge and county/people are prosecuting him for involuntary manslaughter. I am also not in the USA.
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: the arabian nights on February 20, 2010, 06:17:12 AM
Quote from: "mjjveritas"
the arabian nights, I'm sorry, I was not laughing at you. The judicial system will process Conrad Murray but the judge and county/people are prosecuting him for involuntary manslaughter. I am also not in the USA.

ok - hugs all around -

did not want to fall out with you after all we been through (you know what i mean)
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: the arabian nights on February 20, 2010, 06:17:37 AM
Quote from: "Grace"
the arabian nights, you do contribute very specific aspects here that may sometimes not be following the majority opinion or way of thinking.
We seem to be so much americanized to forget that the true majority of people on planet earth is not living under American influence. Happily we have this multitude of cultures and points of view.

Don't feel offended pls if there are misunderstandings or misinterpretations.
I do appreciate your input coming from a different horizon.  :)

thanks and thanks for noticing
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: mjjveritas on February 20, 2010, 07:50:56 AM
the arabian nights, We must stop falling out like this or people will talk. Today is a new day! Let the hoax continue.  :)
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: the arabian nights on February 20, 2010, 10:39:39 AM
i dont know why the heard the case at the airport court if there were security risks - there were only 20/30 fans or concerned cits?

any thoughts - or was it just court listing?
Title: Re: Optical illusion? Look at the judge!!
Post by: Grace on February 20, 2010, 11:02:19 AM
There is a heliport on the roof of the building.
IMHO somebody had to fly in an fly out.
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