Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Theories => The Double Theory => Topic started by: badkolo on February 27, 2010, 04:31:11 PM
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Now Have A Look At These Pics.
And please tell me who is who, Which is michael which is not and who the F is who.
Look at the Noses, TIP:: Look at the smooth criminal photo in black and white and look at the nose bridge, its crunched in, look at the eyes and chin. AND then tell me woho the F is that???, the look at the pic from this is it and look at the nose eyes and chin and then please digg deep and tell me who the F is that???
Then if your brain is still on your head, take a look at cool mike from the green screen scene and look at his chin and jaw area and nose and skin, and then tell me this.
WHO THE F IS THAT????
oh and by the way if you dont see a difference, then yes your crazy, i said it, there you go. LOOK AT THE NOSES AND CHIN AND CLEFT, LOOK AT THE BLACK AND WHITE PICTURE FROM SMOOTH CRIMINAL< LOOK AT THE NOSE< ITS NOT THE SAME PERSON< AND ALL OF THESE ARE FROM THIS IS IT< HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE< WHO THE F ARE WE LOOKING AT. SERIOUSLY < SOMEONE TELL ME WHO????
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First pic is absolutely Mike, the others are doubles. No doubt about it.
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I am really sure they used some doubles in this is it!? but can u explain why he did that? and where the REAL MJ IS!
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The first pic is Mike, and I tend to believe it's a recent one. The rest are doubles, no doubts.
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the scar at his right cheek is the most important. ONLY the REAL MJ has that scar from the mole he removed from his face. We need to search for that scar! If u find some pics from TII!?
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ARE PEOPLE HERE LOSING THEIR MIND ?
Its MJ in all those pic, believe it or not.
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looks like Ecasanova to me
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ARE PEOPLE HERE LOSING THEIR MIND ?
Its MJ in all those pic, believe it or not.
harry how can u be sure ? did u know MJ???
NO!! so shut up lol :lol:
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ARE PEOPLE HERE LOSING THEIR MIND ?
Its MJ in all those pic, believe it or not.
Oh I didnt realize that michael Jackson has the ability to transfrom his face through magical and mystical ways on a daily basis, did you not understand that I said these are all from THIS IS IT.
VICTOR THERE YOU GO, YOU THE f IS THAT???
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ARE PEOPLE HERE LOSING THEIR MIND ?
Its MJ in all those pic, believe it or not.
Oh I didnt realize that michael Jackson has the ability to transfrom his face through magical and mystical ways on a daily basis, did you not understand that I said these are all from THIS IS IT.
so can u please send A pic of MJ who looks the most like the real MJ!
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OK I'm going to hold my hands up and admit that I was wrong. I've been saying all along that there were NO doubles in TII but for the last couple of days I have re-watched TII a few times, been looking at various threads about doubles and looking at the pics.
All I can say is WTF is going on??? My head is spinning. It's got to the point where I don't know what Michael looks like any more. He could be any one of the pictures in the OP but I'll be damned if I know which one. :?
Some people need to start answering questions about this doubles thing once and for all. I can see how it's driving people crazy. It messes with our minds and makes an already complicated situation even more difficult to understand. :evil:
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I know the pic 4 is the real one cause I heard him speak in the movie and he was so cute bubbling his gum!
Pic 1 Mike
Pic 2 Def fake
Pic 3 Absolutely fake!
Michael has always had a somewhat square shaped face with a wide jaw line. And a nice round forehead.
So the last pic is him cause he looks absolutely gorgeous!
I think pic 2 and 3 are the same impersonator!
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I know the last pic is the real one cause I heard him speak in the movie and he was so cute bubbling his gum!
Without teeth?! Deffa cool moof....
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I don't know really who is who. Will the REAL Michael Jackson please stand up? Three look alike (same person) but different angles. One doesn't look like the other three.
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I mean, look at the black and white Smooth Criminal pic and the other black and white pic (the third one) - the shape of his face is different - it looks fuller in the Smooth Criminal pic. How can his face change shape like that? It's ridiculous!
I don't think we know exactly when that first pic was taken so I can't decide if that is Michael, but I'm leaning towards the third pic being Michael.
OMG my head!!!
Edit to say after looking again, I think the first pic is also Michael but from a few years ago. Last one is NOT Michael - his eyes look too small.
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Ok, now wait a minute.. I have to admit.. that in those pics.. they have a LOT of differences.. Really..!! So i doubt that Some of them is the real MJ.. But theres no way u can tell me that the first pic is recently.. Cmon.. we all know how michael looks like.. Im 100% that the first one is from the 90's
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I mean, look at the black and white Smooth Criminal pic and the other black and white pic (the third one) - the shape of his face is different - it looks fuller in the Smooth Criminal pic. How can his face change shape like that? It's ridiculous!
I don't think we know exactly when that first pic was taken so I can't decide if that is Michael, but I'm leaning towards the third pic being Michael.
OMG my head!!!
ofcourse the first one is MJ, look to that scar!!!!!!!!!
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I know the last pic is the real one cause I heard him speak in the movie and he was so cute bubbling his gum!
Without teeth?! Deffa cool moof....
What do you mean I donrt understand sorry
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I mean, look at the black and white Smooth Criminal pic and the other black and white pic (the third one) - the shape of his face is different - it looks fuller in the Smooth Criminal pic. How can his face change shape like that? It's ridiculous!
I don't think we know exactly when that first pic was taken so I can't decide if that is Michael, but I'm leaning towards the third pic being Michael.
OMG my head!!!
ofcourse the first one is MJ, look to that scar!!!!!!!!!
See my edit on my post. I now agree.
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LOOK AT THE NOSE BRIDgE ON THE SMOOTH CRIMINAL PHOTO
its totaly different, so is the shape of the face and the cleft, hows does michael change his nose, chin shape and jaw shape and chin cleft and eyes , there is something odd going on. this aint plastic surgery this is DOUBLERY....
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I know the last pic is the real one cause I heard him speak in the movie and he was so cute bubbling his gum!
Without teeth?! Deffa cool moof....
What do you mean I donrt understand sorry
Watch the Culver Studio scene again please...
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Well , can you explain the eyes ? The 1st and the 3rd looks the same .. There can't be a double with the same eyes ..
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Without teeth?! Deffa cool moof....[/quote]
:lol: Definitely cool move .. I always think about that.. :lol:
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Well , can you explain the eyes ? The 1st and the 3rd looks the same .. There can't be a double with the same eyes ..
I agree, 1st and 3rd are Michael.
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The third picture in the Gold jacket is most definitely the real MJ, as is the first picture.
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I am sure if someone took pictures of me in a whole week, all the time, I would definitely look like an imposter on like all of them.
Your face change, which depends on; mood, form/condition, reactions, different angles.
I am sure these all are Michael Joe Jackson! I have opened my eyes, and I've seen for marks and everything. Yep, they all are Michael Joe Jackson.
NOT EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS FAKE.
But ofcourse I see your point, if someone is an imposter in This IS IT, it ofcourse has to look like Michael.
-But.. Transforming your face, and look like Michael Jackson, cost alot of money.. People will know these few imposters that do such things, but no one looks exactly like Michael. These pictures does.. Make up isn't everything, you can't make me look 95% like Michael Jackson/Paul McCartney/Johnny Depp, with a make up.. I need surgeries, or PhotoShop etc..
Maybe Michael doesn't look like himself in these photos, but guys.. I am SURE that you think it doesn't look like yourself, if you look at a picture someone else has taken.. (I know we've seen Michael's face, and this is kinda different, but we haven't seen Michael's face like this for hmm.. 10-20 years.. His face has changed on 20 years.. We're not just used to it.. We DON'T know Michael..)
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The third picture in the Gold jacket is most definitely the real MJ, as is the first picture.
Yes.. the nose is more.. um.. square... :/ :lol:
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Well , can you explain the eyes ? The 1st and the 3rd looks the same .. There can't be a double with the same eyes ..
To me they don't look the same.
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Hey Mo,
So what do u think about TII? what is the whole point. Where is the real MJ?
and can someone plz post the last REAL MJ pic? (ALIVE) way before the hoax and everything!
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All Michael, do not be silly, sorry...but this is nonsense
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how can anyone think that last picture is mike??? like seriously, i can understand the smooth criminal picture, maybe the gold jacket but this last person :roll:
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Hey Mo,
So what do u think about TII? what is the whole point. Where is the real MJ?
and can someone plz post the last REAL MJ pic? (ALIVE) way before the hoax and everything!
We have already said what we think was done in TII in one of our blogs... I have no idea where Mike is, it's not important to me where he is, I just want him to be safe.
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I looked and looked and I feel they are Michael the only one i am not quite so sure about is the last one
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how can anyone think that last picture is mike??? like seriously, i can understand the smooth criminal picture, maybe the gold jacket but this last person :roll:
This "last person" is Michael, remember it is a scene before earth song, and he is speaking, and that is MJ's voice..
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Lighting, lighting, lighting,
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@keep the faith
Thank you that's who I meant with the one bubbing the gum! Def Mike!
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how can anyone think that last picture is mike??? like seriously, i can understand the smooth criminal picture, maybe the gold jacket but this last person :roll:
This "last person" is Michael, remember it is a scene before earth song, and he is speaking, and that is MJ's voice..
As i remember in the movie, that Mike was chilling and talking to KO... he didnt have make up on and looked a tad unshaven.. maybe thats what the difference is?
Because i remember seeing him in that scene and thinking he looked really good because he had no make up on.
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Grrrrr I hate this :( !!!! I can't stand not knowing whether its him or not because I could be wrong or right :x !!!!
Ok pic #1 I can honestly say is him because everytime I notice that scar I know it's him :D :D :D
Pic #2 I always thought it was Michael in Smooth Criminal anyway so I think it's him. Pic #3 I think is him maybe just feel it could be him :P and Pic #4 I think might be him because that's when he said "that's a kool move but it stretches out to far at the end" I thought it was him but then when he's about to take the glasses off he looks diff. Oh well I never really believed in the doubles theory in TII but it could just be lighting in these parts!!!! My head is hurting now lools ;) :) :?
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yeah, i agree the first and third are michael..but the smooth and last one are totally diferent...
Btw the third one and smooth one pic are from TII right??
Mo, what culver studio scene?? its from TII :?:
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how can anyone think that last picture is mike??? like seriously, i can understand the smooth criminal picture, maybe the gold jacket but this last person :roll:
This "last person" is Michael, remember it is a scene before earth song, and he is speaking, and that is MJ's voice..
Have you ever heard of lipsinking?
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how can anyone think that last picture is mike??? like seriously, i can understand the smooth criminal picture, maybe the gold jacket but this last person :roll:
This "last person" is Michael, remember it is a scene before earth song, and he is speaking, and that is MJ's voice..
Have you ever heard of lipsinking?
You mean Lip-syncing, but.. That's when you sing, you don't lipsinking/lip-sync when you're talking.. That could be an add on.. What do you actually think of MJ?.. Have you heard that not everything is fake.
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first one: REAL MJ
second: MJ from TII,
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The third picture in the Gold jacket is most definitely the real MJ, as is the first picture.
I strongly disagree...
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first one: REAL MJ
second: MJ from TII,
Second? That looks like late 80's/early 90's, you also see the picture quality is not a 2010.. But that's insane if that is really from This Is It..
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first one: REAL MJ
second: MJ from TII,
Thats not MJ from TII... thats from History era MJ...
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first one: REAL MJ
second: MJ from TII,
What? the second is from the history tour
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Smooth Criminal MJ (pic #2) is wearing more eyeliner, so that is why his eyes look different. Gold jacket (pic #3) is standing on a stage and the pic is taken from a weird angle. But when I look at his eyes, it is definitely MJ. The only 'weird' pic is #4 (Deffa cool moof :lol: ) I watched TII yesterday and cool moof is definitely Mike, even though this picture is odd. Maybe it is the lighting, maybe his jaw is flexed because of all the intense gum chewing.
The lighting, the pose, the hair, the angle and the make up on all these pictures are different. Therefore to me it is impossible to compare them. I can give you 4 pictures of myself and you will think there would be 4 different girls.
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Lighting, lighting, lighting,
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: You're funny!
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Smooth Criminal MJ (pic #2) is wearing more eyeliner, so that is why his eyes look different. Gold jacket (pic #3) is standing on a stage and the pic is taken from a weird angle. But when I look at his eyes, it is definitely MJ. The only 'weird' pic is #4 (Deffa cool moof :lol: ) I watched TII yesterday and cool moof is definitely Mike, even though this picture is odd. Maybe it is the lighting, maybe his jaw is flexed because of all the intense gum chewing.
The lighting, the pose, the hair, the angle and the make up on all these pictures are different. Therefore to me it is impossible to compare them. I can give you 4 pictures of myself and you will think there would be 4 different girls.
Exactly! Exactly! Exactly! My point too ;)
You don't look the same in each photo..
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are you looking at the smooth criminal photo, that person has no nose, its pushed in, that nose does not match michael in any angle.
and the clefts are different from photo to photo. and im sorry the first pic isnt from tii, i made a booboo.
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Sometimes photographs don't capture how someone normally looks. I have seen pictures of celebrities where I just don't recognize them. A photo is such a fleeting moment in time and one can sometimes not look like oneself.
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Can I pour some oil on the fire? It's Michael in all four pictures. Totally unmistakenly, no doubt about.
He does look sick in the top three pictures, really not well at all.
Another mark you can recognize him with, along with the overall picture, is the scar-like feature he has under his lower lip on his left side
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yeah, i agree the first and third are michael..but the smooth and last one are totally diferent...
Btw the third one and smooth one pic are from TII right??
Mo, what culver studio scene?? its from TII :?:
The scene of recording the Drill.
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are you looking at the smooth criminal photo, that person has no nose, its pushed in, that nose does not match michael in any angle.
and the clefts are different from photo to photo. and im sorry the first pic isnt from tii, i made a booboo.
Okay.. Go to a mirror, try to smile, and try to look serious.. Try to look angry, and try to look sad.. Okay? You will not look like the same. "Try it, I know it works.."
Just post pictures of it, and show it.
I think these 4 pictures are debunked, they all are Michael.. Try to find the red jacket smiling, with the funeral set behind him.
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I know MJ had a mole on his face, he removed it, now u see this scar on his face(first PIC)
now look to this pic, I reallt didnt know MJ had this mole too on his face!
its like some pics u see this mole, and some pics u dont.
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Maybe not from TII, but the first pic absolutely looks recent and more important: it looks like Michael Jackson... That's the only one of Mike, the rest have too big clefts, other noses, other eyes and even strange wrinkles in the face as if it is a mask.
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I am sure if someone took pictures of me in a whole week, all the time, I would definitely look like an imposter on like all of them.
Your face change, which depends on; mood, form/condition, reactions, different angles.
I am sure these all are Michael Joe Jackson! I have opened my eyes, and I've seen for marks and everything. Yep, they all are Michael Joe Jackson.
NOT EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS FAKE.
But ofcourse I see your point, if someone is an imposter in This IS IT, it ofcourse has to look like Michael.
-But.. Transforming your face, and look like Michael Jackson, cost alot of money.. People will know these few imposters that do such things, but no one looks exactly like Michael. These pictures does.. Make up isn't everything, you can't make me look 95% like Michael Jackson/Paul McCartney/Johnny Depp, with a make up.. I need surgeries, or PhotoShop etc..
Maybe Michael doesn't look like himself in these photos, but guys.. I am SURE that you think it doesn't look like yourself, if you look at a picture someone else has taken.. (I know we've seen Michael's face, and this is kinda different, but we haven't seen Michael's face like this for hmm.. 10-20 years.. His face has changed on 20 years.. We're not just used to it.. We DON'T know Michael..)
I'm with you.
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Maybe not from TII, but the first pic absolutely looks recent and more important: it looks like Michael Jackson... That's the only one of Mike, the rest have too big clefts, other noses, other eyes and even strange wrinkles in the face as if it is a mask.
Souza.. Not being rude, but you have to get out of your fantasy life when it comes to look alike and imposters.. A mask?
The first picture is Michael, it was released late, but said to be old. It looks recent, and it is Michael..
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are you looking at the smooth criminal photo, that person has no nose, its pushed in, that nose does not match michael in any angle.
and the clefts are different from photo to photo. and im sorry the first pic isnt from tii, i made a booboo.
Okay.. Go to a mirror, try to smile, and try to look serious.. Try to look angry, and try to look sad.. Okay? You will not look like the same. "Try it, I know it works.."
Just post pictures of it, and show it.
I think these 4 pictures are debunked, they all are Michael.. Try to find the red jacket smiling, with the funeral set behind him.
Believe me, I have seen lots of pics of badkolo, and although the lighting was different, he was making weird faces, it still looked like him, with the same facial structures.
These are four different persons, first one is the only one that has Mike's facial structures.
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Dear Michael:
As you can see you don't have to worry about hiding yourself, we won't be able to recognaize you even if you scream your name while doing a moonwalk :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Maybe not from TII, but the first pic absolutely looks recent and more important: it looks like Michael Jackson... That's the only one of Mike, the rest have too big clefts, other noses, other eyes and even strange wrinkles in the face as if it is a mask.
Souza.. Not being rude, but you have to get out of your fantasy life when it comes to look alike and imposters.. A mask?
The first picture is Michael, it was released late, but said to be old. It looks recent, and it is Michael..
Me? Or you? (not trying to be rude though...)
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Okay.. Go to a mirror, try to smile, and try to look serious.. Try to look angry, and try to look sad.. Okay? You will not look like the same. "Try it, I know it works..
Yeah...and then the shape of your head, the length of your chin and the size of your cleft changes, and your nose suddenly doesn't point straight forward anymore..? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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'nuff said, I give up... :lol:
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I don`t understand.. what`s the point of this thread?? does it proves something??
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Dear Michael:
As you can see you don't have to worry about hiding yourself, we won't be able to recognaize you even if you scream your name while doing a moonwalk :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Sorry ppl but this is really Michael in all 4 pictures...it's no use going into details about scars or whatever to proof a point, just looking at the overall picture is enough to tell it's him
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I don´t usually believe about doubles, but those pics are really weird.
I don´t see the same eyes.
I see unkown people behind a mask of cliches.
I was thinking this:
Those pics seems to tell us that MJ may have some impersonators playing his official role.
For that, they have lots of surgery (they made themselves to achieve similarity)... and maybe that´s the reason why of the myths about Mike having that much surgery.
I mean, his fame of surgery comes from impersonators´ lots of surgery.
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Let's keep in mind that we are looking at a fifty year old male who has had churgery on his face. Klein was working on his nose. And even though I don't believe the prothetic nose stories, you never know, maybe they are true and he liked to switch noses. :lol: (No pun intended, I'm just trying to look at everything from different angles). The wrinkles in his neck could be from a mask, they could be from churgery or they could simply be from ageing.
As far as the differences on the cleft in his chin, light really does A LOT with those kind of features. The only thin you can bu sure about is the scar on his cheeck. But, the TII photos don't show that part of his face.
I am not saying it is or isn't MJ, I don't know.
And if deffa cool moof MJ is indeed a double, why would the double 'play' that part? MJ could have easily done it himself.
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this pic puzzles me because of how young MJ looks.. look at the skin on his face, there are no lines! And his hands look so young and the nails are clear.
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Dear Michael:
As you can see you don't have to worry about hiding yourself, we won't be able to recognaize you even if you scream your name while doing a moonwalk :lol: :lol: :lol:
:mrgreen: ROFL! :mrgreen:
If we do find him, all he has to say is that he is one of the TII doubles.
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I don´t usually believe about doubles, but those pics are really weird.
I don´t see the same eyes.
I see unkown people behind a mask of cliches.
I was thinking this:
Those pics seems to tell us that MJ may have some impersonators playing his official role.
For that, they have lots of surgery (they made themselves to achieve similarity)... and maybe that´s the reason why of the myths about Mike having that much surgery.
I mean, his fame of surgery comes from impersonators´ lots of surgery.
that makes sense! but there was also a myth about mike and children? what about that?
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Maybe there's something wrong with our eyes....really,i look different in every photo...i don't want to post pics of me but you'd be surprised....as we can see these pics are filled with weird colors they are very edited...why not a clear view of him? sudden photos and photos of him appear with a mole on his forehead with the 6'th eye...and stuff....someone is playing with us. :D
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Sorry for posting Zac Efron! :lol: :lol: I just searched celebrity and got him, but okay.. This is definitely not Zac Efron, because he is different in all these 4 pictures? :s
(http://blogs.sltrib.com/b2evolution/media/blogs/burger/zac_efron.jpg)
(http://www.1designer-clothing.com/wp-content/uploads/zac-efron-no-bangs.jpg)
(http://www.blog-city.info/en/img4/4561_Zac-Efron-1-05182007.jpg)
(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/gallery/7of07/zac_efron.jpg)
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HANG ON.. what does that say on the side of MJs glasses??
Does it read "REAL"?? :D
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As far as the differences on the cleft in his chin, light really does A LOT with those kind of features.
Well I'm sorry, but lighting does not change a subtile cleft into one you can put a euro in... Not meaning to be rude, just trying to make clear that there's a too big a difference to blame it on lighting.
I give up also...I stand with my first post.
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I don´t usually believe about doubles, but those pics are really weird.
I don´t see the same eyes.
I see unkown people behind a mask of cliches.
I was thinking this:
Those pics seems to tell us that MJ may have some impersonators playing his official role.
For that, they have lots of surgery (they made themselves to achieve similarity)... and maybe that´s the reason why of the myths about Mike having that much surgery.
I mean, his fame of surgery comes from impersonators´ lots of surgery.
that makes sense! but there was also a myth about mike and children? what about that?
It was not a myth!!!!it was a LIE!!!!!!!!!!
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HANG ON.. what does that say on the side of MJs glasses??
Does it read "REAL"?? :D
yeah lmao
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this pic puzzles me because of how young MJ looks.. look at the skin on his face, there are no lines! And his hands look so young and the nails are clear.
The nose looks weird, but that's probably because of the sunglasses that covers the nose. He looks young, but check his ear and eyes, it can be him.
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HANG ON.. what does that say on the side of MJs glasses??
Does it read "REAL"?? :D
Problem solved! The real MJ wears glasses that say 'REAL'!
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HANG ON.. what does that say on the side of MJs glasses??
Does it read "REAL"?? :D
yeah lmao
Ive only just seen that after i posted it.
HOW WIERD IS THAT??? :o :o
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I am sure if someone took pictures of me in a whole week, all the time, I would definitely look like an imposter on like all of them.
Your face change, which depends on; mood, form/condition, reactions, different angles.
I am sure these all are Michael Joe Jackson! I have opened my eyes, and I've seen for marks and everything. Yep, they all are Michael Joe Jackson.
NOT EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS FAKE.
But ofcourse I see your point, if someone is an imposter in This IS IT, it ofcourse has to look like Michael.
-But.. Transforming your face, and look like Michael Jackson, cost alot of money.. People will know these few imposters that do such things, but no one looks exactly like Michael. These pictures does.. Make up isn't everything, you can't make me look 95% like Michael Jackson/Paul McCartney/Johnny Depp, with a make up.. I need surgeries, or PhotoShop etc..
Maybe Michael doesn't look like himself in these photos, but guys.. I am SURE that you think it doesn't look like yourself, if you look at a picture someone else has taken.. (I know we've seen Michael's face, and this is kinda different, but we haven't seen Michael's face like this for hmm.. 10-20 years.. His face has changed on 20 years.. We're not just used to it.. We DON'T know Michael..)
SO agreed!!! ;) Thank you!
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this pic puzzles me because of how young MJ looks.. look at the skin on his face, there are no lines! And his hands look so young and the nails are clear.
he's suckin' a candy for God's sake.. :roll: your face "changes" while u ...you know suck the candy :lol: :lol:
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HANG ON.. what does that say on the side of MJs glasses??
Does it read "REAL"?? :D
yeah lmao
Ive only just seen that after i posted it.
HOW WIERD IS THAT??? :o :o
That is not weird, and it is REAL D
(http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/3d_reald_glasses.jpg)
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Sorry for posting Zac Efron! :lol: :lol: I just searched celebrity and got him, but okay.. This is definitely not Zac Efron, because he is different in all these 4 pictures? :s
(http://blogs.sltrib.com/b2evolution/media/blogs/burger/zac_efron.jpg)
(http://www.1designer-clothing.com/wp-content/uploads/zac-efron-no-bangs.jpg)
(http://www.blog-city.info/en/img4/4561_Zac-Efron-1-05182007.jpg)
(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/gallery/7of07/zac_efron.jpg)
Different hairstyle, not different chins, noses, mouths...
It's clear that these 4 are the same guy.
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As far as the differences on the cleft in his chin, light really does A LOT with those kind of features.
Well I'm sorry, but lighting does not change a subtile cleft into one you can put a euro in... Not meaning to be rude, just trying to make clear that there's a too big a difference to blame it on lighting.
I give up also...I stand with my first post.
You don't come across as rude to me, you are just explaining the way you see things so I can alter my opinion.
I'm going to take a good look at some more MJ pictures and focus on the cleft.
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im posting pics of 3 in the same time frame and your posting pics form totaly different timelines with zac.
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~Souza~
the first picture is from 1990, sure he had different nose...
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WRONG PIC POSTED !
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Different hairstyle, not different chins, noses, mouths...
It's clear that these 4 are the same guy.
Same with Michael.. They look the same.
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HANG ON.. what does that say on the side of MJs glasses??
Does it read "REAL"?? :D
yeah lmao
Ive only just seen that after i posted it.
HOW WIERD IS THAT??? :o :o
That is not weird, and it is REAL D
(http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/3d_reald_glasses.jpg)
I know that its the brand of the 3d glasses... its still wierd. That we were talking about the "real" mj and i posted that pic with him wearing glasses that read "real".
We discuss other messages in the t-shirts he wears and the symbols so dont see the difference with pointing it out.
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(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7165/michaeljacksonj5thisisi.jpg)
the lenght of the photos is dif.
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(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7165/michaeljacksonj5thisisi.jpg)
the lenght of the photos is dif.
It's different angles.
I don't know what do think, now some people in here believe everything is fake.. Yeah, even Michael Jackson himself is supposedly fake.
Victor also 'manipulated the photo' he took a red line over the top of his nose tip.. Therefor it looks different, why 'cheat' Victor? It*s not necessary..
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Besides that it's clearly Michael in all 4 pics: why on earth would he use doubles for rehearsals if it wasn't for stunts? Since they are just rehearsals, what would be the point?
Secondly, suppose he did use doubles at some date for whatever reason, what would it proof for the hoax?
P.S. I'm having a hard time believing michael is wearing a wig at the picture Victor posted with the raincoat on
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For the record, i believe it was all the real MJ in TII and it was the real MJ in the o2 conference.
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For the record, i believe it was all the real MJ in TII and it was the real MJ in the o2 conference.
yes, and this is the true
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look his forhead! this is MJ in the video:
(from) 0:31
this just pointing some REAL MJ things out!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2R1J7Rwut0&feature=player_embedded#[/youtube]
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(http://http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7165/michaeljacksonj5thisisi.jpg)
the lenght of the photos is dif.
It's different angles.
I don't know what do think, now some people in here believe everything is fake.. Yeah, even Michael Jackson himself is supposedly fake.
Victor also 'manipulated the photo' he took a red line over the top of his nose tip.. Therefor it looks different, why 'cheat' Victor? It*s not necessary..
WRONG PICS POSTED ! WORKING ON SOME !
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In this Yes and No-game I say YES all Michael to me ... :D
Imagine if he comes back. Are we going to discuss a year ore more if it's really him?? :mrgreen:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7165/michaeljacksonj5thisisi.jpg)
the lenght of the photos is dif.
It's different angles.
I don't know what do think, now some people in here believe everything is fake.. Yeah, even Michael Jackson himself is supposedly fake.
Victor also 'manipulated the photo' he took a red line over the top of his nose tip.. Therefor it looks different, why 'cheat' Victor? It*s not necessary..
True! Different angles --> different light incidence --> different looking nose
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Besides that it's clearly Michael in all 4 pics: why on earth would he use doubles for rehearsals if it wasn't for stunts? Since they are just rehearsals, what would be the point?
Secondly, suppose he did use doubles at some date for whatever reason, what would it proof for the hoax?
P.S. I'm having a hard time believing michael is wearing a wig at the picture Victor posted with the raincoat on
Michael is professional, and why put 4 different imposters to rehearse :lol: It would cost more money. And everything is about money these days, so.. Nah, not possible.
The only imposter Michael has used is the Smooth Criminal guy that jumps through a window, I'm sure. Since there was two different Michael's in one picture.
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(http://http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7165/michaeljacksonj5thisisi.jpg)
the lenght of the photos is dif.
It's different angles.
I don't know what do think, now some people in here believe everything is fake.. Yeah, even Michael Jackson himself is supposedly fake.
Victor also 'manipulated the photo' he took a red line over the top of his nose tip.. Therefor it looks different, why 'cheat' Victor? It*s not necessary..
WRONG PICS POSTED ! WORKING ON SOME !
:lol: we're waiting this is a BIG thread
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It's true that he looks a little bit different in those pictures, the question is Badkolo: is this the original size of al the pic's or you zoom it?, because if the pics were took that close...is because they all are MJ.
I don't know if i have explain myself correctly.
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(http://http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7165/michaeljacksonj5thisisi.jpg)
the lenght of the photos is dif.
It's different angles.
I don't know what do think, now some people in here believe everything is fake.. Yeah, even Michael Jackson himself is supposedly fake.
Victor also 'manipulated the photo' he took a red line over the top of his nose tip.. Therefor it looks different, why 'cheat' Victor? It*s not necessary..
WRONG PICS POSTED ! WORKING ON SOME !
:lol: we're waiting this is a BIG thread
'Working' on some?..
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SAME EAR?????????
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3945)
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3954)
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LOOK
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SAME EAR:
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3945)
same neck
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(http://http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7165/michaeljacksonj5thisisi.jpg)
the lenght of the photos is dif.
It's different angles.
I don't know what do think, now some people in here believe everything is fake.. Yeah, even Michael Jackson himself is supposedly fake.
Victor also 'manipulated the photo' he took a red line over the top of his nose tip.. Therefor it looks different, why 'cheat' Victor? It*s not necessary..
WRONG PICS POSTED ! WORKING ON SOME !
:lol: we're waiting this is a BIG thread
Not exactly "working" on some :) but trying to get good TII photos..if u know what i mean lolol/
'Working' on some?..
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LOOK
You know when you drag a picture, you drag everything? Ofcourse is it difference on his nose...
You've stretched the whole photo.. One is small, the other is bigger.
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LOOK
Did u know Michael had a special brown makeup on his nose to appear more thinner? to define the bone?
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there are definitely NOT the same
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LOOK
Did u know Michael had a special brown makeup on his nose to appear more thinner? to define the bone?
yeah, but how do u explain those diffirent ears?
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From all the doubles I've seen , I would immediately know that its a double .. I never saw a double that looked like MJ that much ..
And these differences in the pics are either angles , makeup or attitudes .
The only double I think was used in tii is the orange pants guy , not b/c he looked different but his movements .Every time I see him I think he "acts" different ..
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Make up and shadow can make features look different.
In the Smooth Criminal pic he is wearing a hat and heavy make up.
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LOOK
Did u know Michael had a special brown makeup on his nose to appear more thinner? to define the bone?
yeah, but how do u explain those diffirent ears?
Different ears? In one of the picture he got a prop to hear himself sing, the other, he don't.
Wow, it's magic! No, it's obvious. And different angles make it.. Weeewch
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LOOK
Did u know Michael had a special brown makeup on his nose to appear more thinner? to define the bone?
yeah, but how do u explain those diffirent ears?
Exactly! Or did they do that with make up and lighting also? :lol:
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are you looking at the smooth criminal photo, that person has no nose, its pushed in, that nose does not match michael in any angle.
and the clefts are different from photo to photo. and im sorry the first pic isnt from tii, i made a booboo.
yes and his smile just doesnt fit his face..like its too big for the face..does that make sense?
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~Souza~
the first picture is from 1990, sure he had different nose...
Yes he had ;) Look at a pic from the Dangerous era compared to the one I think is recent:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/dangerous_recent.jpg)
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what do you think about this pic
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Doubles In WATW and Bad?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD9UxqDjp5g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD9UxqDjp5g (B,C)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8dfwQEWDvI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8dfwQEWDvI (A,D)
1:53 comes the other
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbd0wxGH_Lw&feature=fvw
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~Souza~
the first picture is from 1990, sure he had different nose...
Yes he had ;) Look at a pic from the Dangerous era compared to the one I think is recent:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/dangerous_recent.jpg)
he crashed his facial bones in the second ? again the photo's width is dif.
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Doubles In WATW and Bad? (http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6134/wearetheworld.jpg)(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7802/bada.jpg)
:lol: :lol: oh Gosh we are sweating in here :lol: :lol:
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Okay.. These are the same picture.
No.. It's not magic.. It's shrinking! Not all pictures are in the same size!
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~Souza~
the first picture is from 1990, sure he had different nose...
Yes he had ;) Look at a pic from the Dangerous era compared to the one I think is recent:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/dangerous_recent.jpg)
he crashed his facial bones in the second ? again the photo's width is dif.
I am not saying it's a different person, I am only saying the black and white pic is not from the Dangerous era...
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Okay.. These are the same picture.
No.. It's not magic.. It's shrinking! Not all pictures are in the same size!
Both of them don't look like Mike, sorry...
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I don´t usually believe about doubles, but those pics are really weird.
I don´t see the same eyes.
I see unkown people behind a mask of cliches.
I was thinking this:
Those pics seems to tell us that MJ may have some impersonators playing his official role.
For that, they have lots of surgery (they made themselves to achieve similarity)... and maybe that´s the reason why of the myths about Mike having that much surgery.
I mean, his fame of surgery comes from impersonators´ lots of surgery.
that makes sense! but there was also a myth about mike and children? what about that?
Sorry, I don´t understand your question.
You mean child molestation?
If so, I think they took advantage of his love for children to beat him with the most sacred.
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The REAL MJ (to me!) IN TII:
Living with MJ (footage) his SMILE
(5:28):
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WopaxpnBemw&feature=related[/youtube]
[attachment=0:bxlst8rh]Knipsel.JPG[/attachment:bxlst8rh]
(real) MJ from TII:
look to his Ear and smile, I really think this is the only REal MJ IN TII, he was just one or two days there to direct Thriller!
(http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3961)
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Okay.. These are the same picture.
No.. It's not magic.. It's shrinking! Not all pictures are in the same size!
Both of them don't look like Mike, sorry...
That's not the point.. Well, what ever picture I post, some will say.. THATS NOT MICHAEL!
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~Souza~
the first picture is from 1990, sure he had different nose...
Yes he had ;) Look at a pic from the Dangerous era compared to the one I think is recent:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/dangerous_recent.jpg)
he crashed his facial bones in the second ? again the photo's width is dif.
I am not saying it's a different person, I am only saying the black and white pic is not from the Dangerous era...
i think it was History
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I guess everyone has his own favorite MJ... ;)
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I guess everyone has his own favorite MJ... ;)
LMFAOOOOO!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I guess everyone has his own favorite MJ... ;)
u dont think Mj with red jacket looks the same like MJ from Bashir docu?
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~Souza~
the first picture is from 1990, sure he had different nose...
Yes he had ;) Look at a pic from the Dangerous era compared to the one I think is recent:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/dangerous_recent.jpg)
he crashed his facial bones in the second ? again the photo's width is dif.
I am not saying it's a different person, I am only saying the black and white pic is not from the Dangerous era...
i think it was History
Nope, the jacket is from Dangerous...
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/032.jpg)
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Real MJ:(http://http://i48.tinypic.com/v9bh1.jpg)
Double: (http://http://i48.tinypic.com/2ewk0o4.jpg) Obviously Different Facial Dimensions and Body dimensions.
(http://http://i50.tinypic.com/e9cc47.jpg) MJ fills this suit out more..
(http://http://i48.tinypic.com/6xxlrq.jpg) this Suit fits Baggier and Looser
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It's gone a bit mad in here tonight. Is there a full moon?
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~Souza~
the first picture is from 1990, sure he had different nose...
Yes he had ;) Look at a pic from the Dangerous era compared to the one I think is recent:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/dangerous_recent.jpg)
he crashed his facial bones in the second ? again the photo's width is dif.
I am not saying it's a different person, I am only saying the black and white pic is not from the Dangerous era...
i think it was History
Nope, the jacket is from Dangerous...
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/032.jpg)
i've seen him wearing the same clothes from dif. eras
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Who said this isn't MJ, because of the big mouth?
(http://777denny.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/michael_jackson_concert_rehearsal_21.jpg)
Is this an imposter too?..
(http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/michaeljacksonREX_450x300.jpg)
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The proof is in the cleft!
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6420
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This is Michael.. Once again I've shrinked the photos.. They look different now.
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I've watched This is it and the extras again and there are 4 doubles at least..
different height, shoulders, chins, weight... etc...etc...
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It's gone a bit mad in here tonight. Is there a full moon?
:lol: :lol:
It is a full moon feb 28th!
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This is Michael.. Once again I've shrinked the photos.. They look different now.
i think u have a hard time to understand all this?
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I've watched This is it and the extras again and there are 4 doubles at least..
different height, shoulders, chins, weight... etc...etc...
why so many doubles :lol: :lol:
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I'm not sure what you think.. But you forget the important thing!!!
There is NO exact filming, distance to Michael, the same angle.. So therefor there is changes.. This should be debunked very soon as, Michael didn't have any imposters.. Just a stunt man.
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Did you guys ever thought about how they would found someone on this earth who looks for 99,9% like Michael, has his height, voice and dancemoves?? :roll:
Wake up: it's IMPOSSIBLE!
This is the real world, not a si-fi movie.
There is just 1 Michael in TII (other than the stuntdouble) !
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This is Michael.. Once again I've shrinked the photos.. They look different now.
Yup, you've ruined them, but still look like Mike...
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This is Michael.. Once again I've shrinked the photos.. They look different now.
Tom, it has NOTHING to do with shrinking pictures. Please...stop posting disturbed pics, it has nothing to do with all the facial differences, nothing...
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Did you guys ever thought about how they would found someone on this earth who looks for 99,9% like Michael, has his height, voice and dancemoves?? :roll:
Wake up: it's IMPOSSIBLE!
This is the real world, not a si-fi movie.
There is just 1 Michael in TII (other than the stuntdouble) !
1+ Exactly.. We have to get used to the reality. Michael Jackson hoaxed his death, but there is just Michael in the This Is It MOVIE.
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I've watched This is it and the extras again and there are 4 doubles at least..
different height, shoulders, chins, weight... etc...etc...
why so many doubles :lol: :lol:
I don't know.. ask him.. ;)
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Michael didn't have any imposters.. Just a stunt man.
I bet you're in for a surprise 8-)
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Did you guys ever thought about how they would found someone on this earth who looks for 99,9% like Michael, has his height, voice and dancemoves?? :roll:
Wake up: it's IMPOSSIBLE!
This is the real world, not a si-fi movie.
There is just 1 Michael in TII (other than the stuntdouble) !
1+ Exactly.. We have to get used to the reality. Michael Jackson hoaxed his death, but there is just Michael in the This Is It MOVIE.
There still is something as common sense and reality in this world but a lot of people don't seem to get that.
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Michael didn't have any imposters.. Just a stunt man.
I bet you're in for a surprise 8-)
I love surprises :D but who the hell will give us the true "gift"?
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thank you mo and souza for making me LMAO!!!!!! about the picture shrinking. lmao!!
i see different mikes too. but then again as pointed out by mr. tom yesterday i need glasses. (although i already wear them) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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There still is something as common sense and reality in this world but a lot of people don't seem to get that.
I support that statement, but with that statement I address the ones who are saying:
"It's ALL Michael in This Is It"!
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AnnieIsNotOK, Oops!
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Hmm.. How can this be the same person? One is whiter, one got more color. One is thinner than the other.. The nose is thinner.. The face is thinner.. Well, this is the same interview.
(http://mjbaltic.com/Pictures/Private_2003_screen_shots/Private_2003_screen_2.jpg)
(http://i30.tinypic.com/2vs261c.jpg)
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I'm not sure what you think.. But you forget the important thing!!!
There is NO exact filming, distance to Michael, the same angle.. So therefor there is changes.. This should be debunked very soon as, Michael didn't have any imposters.. Just a stunt man.
Are you sure? So he had surgery to his ears as well?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/Untitled.jpg)
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Hmm.. How can this be the same person? One is whiter, one got more color. One is thinner than the other.. The nose is thinner.. The face is thinner.. Well, this is the same interview.
(http://mjbaltic.com/Pictures/Private_2003_screen_shots/Private_2003_screen_2.jpg)
(http://i30.tinypic.com/2vs261c.jpg)
One's face is skinny and long one's is Wider and Fuller one's body is slim and slender one's is Wider and Bulkier hmm
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Hmm.. How can this be the same person? One is whiter, one got more color. One is thinner than the other.. The nose is thinner.. The face is thinner.. Well, this is the same interview.
(http://mjbaltic.com/Pictures/Private_2003_screen_shots/Private_2003_screen_2.jpg)
(http://i30.tinypic.com/2vs261c.jpg)
Now that IS the lighting and the angle. We're not stupid ToM, look at the ears I posted. I am very curious what your excuse to that is....
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There still is something as common sense and reality in this world but a lot of people don't seem to get that.
I support that statement, but with that statement I address the ones who are saying:
"It's ALL Michael in This Is It"!
That wouldn't fit with the 'reality' part. :)
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I'm not sure what you think.. But you forget the important thing!!!
There is NO exact filming, distance to Michael, the same angle.. So therefor there is changes.. This should be debunked very soon as, Michael didn't have any imposters.. Just a stunt man.
Are you sure? So he had surgery to his ears as well?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/Untitled.jpg)
I'm not sure, cause I don't know him. But once again, different angles.. The one is more profile, than the other.. But, Michael did take things from his ears and use it to build up his nose.. I don't know what to think about that, but something happend.. Just look at his ear, one of the latest picture of him "alive" leaving the doctor.
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Hmm.. How can this be the same person? One is whiter, one got more color. One is thinner than the other.. The nose is thinner.. The face is thinner.. Well, this is the same interview.
(http://mjbaltic.com/Pictures/Private_2003_screen_shots/Private_2003_screen_2.jpg)
(http://i30.tinypic.com/2vs261c.jpg)
One's face is skinny and long one's is Wider and Fuller one's body is slim and slender one's is Wider and Bulkier hmm
Yeah...and the colour of the shirt...one is white and the other is pink
:lol: :lol:
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I'm not sure what you think.. But you forget the important thing!!!
There is NO exact filming, distance to Michael, the same angle.. So therefor there is changes.. This should be debunked very soon as, Michael didn't have any imposters.. Just a stunt man.
Are you sure? So he had surgery to his ears as well?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/Untitled.jpg)
I'm not sure, cause I don't know him. But once again, different angles.. The one is more profile, than the other.. But, Michael did take things from his ears and use it to build up his nose.. I don't know what to think about that, but something happend.. Just look at his ear, one of the latest picture of him "alive" leaving the doctor.
Hmmmm, yet in This is It he has full ears again.... FISHY!!
Give it up ToM, Mike had doubles.
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There still is something as common sense and reality in this world but a lot of people don't seem to get that.
I support that statement, but with that statement I address the ones who are saying:
"It's ALL Michael in This Is It"!
That wouldn't fit with the 'reality' part. :)
In my opinion, it does. Reality is that Mike had doubles.
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Not all pictures are correct! That's what happened with the pictures on Page 1.. You are kinda.. You ARE refusing your own opinions now.
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Volatile thread! :lol:
IMO, Mike definitely had doubles, and they were absolutely used in TII no doubt about it.
For those that own the movie, check Michael out when he's watching the dancers audition; he looks the same as he always has, then compare that to the rest of the film.. this will be your expression :o
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SAME EAR?????????
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3945)
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3954)
same ears, same double...mikes chin does not look like a ass...lol his cleft is wayyy too long
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I think he used doubles at times. Navi is one who has said he would be called to double for Michael so he could get away in a crowd. But I really think it's all Michael in TII. Just my opinion, but I'm open to others.
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SAME EAR?????????
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3945)
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3954)
same ears, same double...mikes chin does not look like a ass...lol his cleft is wayyy too long
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Did you guys ever thought about how they would found someone on this earth who looks for 99,9% like Michael, has his height, voice and dancemoves?? <!-- s:roll: --> :roll: <!-- s:roll: -->
Wake up: it's IMPOSSIBLE!
This is the real world, not a si-fi movie.
There is just 1 Michael in TII (other than the stuntdouble) !
they dont look 99.9% like him, hints the different eyes,chins,noses and facial structures
they didnt have the same heights at all, orange pants was short as hell and some of those guys look over 6ft, mike is 5`10
and i didnt see anyone sing live and none of them danced like mike :lol: there was no moonwalk at all and they were doing moves mike wouldnt do
I wanna know what movie you seen :lol:
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SAME EAR?????????
same ears, same double...mikes chin does not look like a ass...lol his cleft is wayyy too long
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I think Misha deserves an award for that comment! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Let's give her the "comment of the day award", what do you think?
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SAME EAR?????????
same ears, same double...mikes chin does not look like a ass...lol his cleft is wayyy too long
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I think Misha deserves an award for that comment! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Let's give her the "comment of the day award", what do you think?
Sounds like a good idea :lol:
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Navi:
(http://ideagirlconsulting.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/michael-jackson-with-impersonator-navi.jpg)
&
E'Casanova
(http://ratpackimpersonators.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/ecasamj.jpg)
These are the impersonators who supposedly resembles Michael the best, and still they look nothing like him. And you guys wanna say that the most MJ's in TII were doubles? :lol:
Just because the cleft is slightly different? :lol:
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Navi:
(http://ideagirlconsulting.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/michael-jackson-with-impersonator-navi.jpg)
&
E'Casanova
(http://ratpackimpersonators.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/ecasamj.jpg)
These are the impersonators who supposedly resembles Michael the best, and still they look nothing like him. And you guys wanna say that the most MJ's in TII were doubles? :lol:
Just because the cleft is slightly different? :lol:
:DECasanova looks....fugly :lol:
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Doubt it; Navi & E'cassanova. :lol:
Well, interesting shirt E'cassanova wear, but I think that picture was after 3rd March.
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Here is reality:
Just because you want it to me mike in all the pictures its not, just like in the real world everything you want isnt what it seems to be...GET OVER IT and stop fighting something so obvious...
whats more logical:
there has been doubles used or the lighting changed his whole face and/or he has done that much stuff to his face in the course of filming this movie, including changing ears , nose and bone structure
Here is more reality:
did yall "die hard" mike fans who swear you know mike when you see him :roll: ever think that maybe he sent out doubles to protect his own life?
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Here is reality:
Just because you want it to me mike in all the pictures its not, just like in the real world everything you want isnt what it seems to be...GET OVER IT and stop fighting something so obvious...
whats more logical:
there has been doubles used or the lighting changed his whole face and/or he has done that much stuff to his face in the course of filming this movie, including changing ears , nose and bone structure
Here is more reality:
did yall "die hard" mike fans who swear you know mike when you see him :roll: ever think that maybe he sent out doubles to protect his own life?
:lol: Get some sleep, and get up tomorrow. You will see this thread is riduculous. If you met Michael himself, you would say.. "Nah, I don't bother handshaking him. It's 'deffo' an imposter..."
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SAME EAR?????????
same ears, same double...mikes chin does not look like a ass...lol his cleft is wayyy too long
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I think Misha deserves an award for that comment! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Let's give her the "comment of the day award", what do you think?
Sounds like a good idea :lol:
I would like to thank all the doubles used in TII, esp ass chin guy and cool moof dude for giving me the chance to get the "comment of the day award" :lol: thank you and God bless
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Here is reality:
Just because you want it to me mike in all the pictures its not, just like in the real world everything you want isnt what it seems to be...GET OVER IT and stop fighting something so obvious...
whats more logical:
there has been doubles used or the lighting changed his whole face and/or he has done that much stuff to his face in the course of filming this movie, including changing ears , nose and bone structure
Here is more reality:
did yall "die hard" mike fans who swear you know mike when you see him :roll: ever think that maybe he sent out doubles to protect his own life?
:lol: Get some sleep, and get up tomorrow. You will see this thread is riduculous. If you met Michael himself, you would say.. "Nah, I don't bother handshaking him. It's 'deffo' an imposter..."
why dont you get some sleep and then go get some glasses and look at those 4 pictures again :roll: :lol:
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Here is reality:
Just because you want it to me mike in all the pictures its not, just like in the real world everything you want isnt what it seems to be...GET OVER IT and stop fighting something so obvious...
whats more logical:
there has been doubles used or the lighting changed his whole face and/or he has done that much stuff to his face in the course of filming this movie, including changing ears , nose and bone structure
Here is more reality:
did yall "die hard" mike fans who swear you know mike when you see him :roll: ever think that maybe he sent out doubles to protect his own life?
What about the die-hard fans who dont believe its him walking around, dancing, singing.
It's not logic to use doubles (who look exactly like him but ok) without any reason.
We're not living in a si-fi world, this is reality.
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SAME EAR?????????
same ears, same double...mikes chin does not look like a ass...lol his cleft is wayyy too long
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I think Misha deserves an award for that comment! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Let's give her the "comment of the day award", what do you think?
Sounds like a good idea :lol:
I would like to thank all the doubles used in TII, esp ass chin guy and cool moof dude for giving me the chance to get the "comment of the day award" :lol: thank you and God bless
*applause*
:lol:
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Here is reality:
Just because you want it to me mike in all the pictures its not, just like in the real world everything you want isnt what it seems to be...GET OVER IT and stop fighting something so obvious...
whats more logical:
there has been doubles used or the lighting changed his whole face and/or he has done that much stuff to his face in the course of filming this movie, including changing ears , nose and bone structure
Here is more reality:
did yall "die hard" mike fans who swear you know mike when you see him :roll: ever think that maybe he sent out doubles to protect his own life?
:lol: Get some sleep, and get up tomorrow. You will see this thread is riduculous. If you met Michael himself, you would say.. "Nah, I don't bother handshaking him. It's 'deffo' an imposter..."
:lol: :lol: OMG!what about Samantha and Talitha :lol: :lol:
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Here is reality:
Just because you want it to me mike in all the pictures its not, just like in the real world everything you want isnt what it seems to be...GET OVER IT and stop fighting something so obvious...
whats more logical:
there has been doubles used or the lighting changed his whole face and/or he has done that much stuff to his face in the course of filming this movie, including changing ears , nose and bone structure
Here is more reality:
did yall "die hard" mike fans who swear you know mike when you see him :roll: ever think that maybe he sent out doubles to protect his own life?
:lol: Get some sleep, and get up tomorrow. You will see this thread is riduculous. If you met Michael himself, you would say.. "Nah, I don't bother handshaking him. It's 'deffo' an imposter..."
why dont you get some sleep and then go get some glasses and look at those 4 pictures again :roll: :lol:
Maybe because I've slept, and I recently checked my eyes, since I am taking Private Pilot License.. No problems with them, they're perfect.
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Fascinating discussion, although I feel we go round and round and round and round on this topic. :lol:
The dude's a mystery, that's all I can say. ;)
But it does bring me back to the first pic on this thread, which I happen to love, btw. Apparently it was taken in 1994, based on research from a previous thread.
http://www.photographerslimitededitions ... ckson.html (http://www.photographerslimitededitions.com/product_info.php?info=p608_Michael-Jackson.html)
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2853&start=75 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2853&start=75)
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I am sure if someone took pictures of me in a whole week, all the time, I would definitely look like an imposter on like all of them.
Your face change, which depends on; mood, form/condition, reactions, different angles.
I am sure these all are Michael Joe Jackson! I have opened my eyes, and I've seen for marks and everything. Yep, they all are Michael Joe Jackson.
NOT EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS FAKE.
But ofcourse I see your point, if someone is an imposter in This IS IT, it ofcourse has to look like Michael.
-But.. Transforming your face, and look like Michael Jackson, cost alot of money.. People will know these few imposters that do such things, but no one looks exactly like Michael. These pictures does.. Make up isn't everything, you can't make me look 95% like Michael Jackson/Paul McCartney/Johnny Depp, with a make up.. I need surgeries, or PhotoShop etc..
Maybe Michael doesn't look like himself in these photos, but guys.. I am SURE that you think it doesn't look like yourself, if you look at a picture someone else has taken.. (I know we've seen Michael's face, and this is kinda different, but we haven't seen Michael's face like this for hmm.. 10-20 years.. His face has changed on 20 years.. We're not just used to it.. We DON'T know Michael..)
SO agreed!!! ;) Thank you!
I think the same way!! although the #4 pic confused me but in the movie that is the part when MJ show to the dancers the BAD/TDRCAU dance so I strongly believe that it was him...
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Here is reality:
Just because you want it to me mike in all the pictures its not, just like in the real world everything you want isnt what it seems to be...GET OVER IT and stop fighting something so obvious...
whats more logical:
there has been doubles used or the lighting changed his whole face and/or he has done that much stuff to his face in the course of filming this movie, including changing ears , nose and bone structure
Here is more reality:
did yall "die hard" mike fans who swear you know mike when you see him :roll: ever think that maybe he sent out doubles to protect his own life?
:lol: Get some sleep, and get up tomorrow. You will see this thread is riduculous. If you met Michael himself, you would say.. "Nah, I don't bother handshaking him. It's 'deffo' an imposter..."
why dont you get some sleep and then go get some glasses and look at those 4 pictures again :roll: :lol:
Maybe because I've slept, and I recently checked my eyes, since I am taking Private Pilot License.. No problems with them, they're perfect.
OMG, please warn the people that will fly with you... I ain't boarding your plane, that's foh' sho'! :lol:
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Fascinating discussion, although I feel we go round and round and round and round on this topic. :lol:
The dude's a mystery, that's all I can say. ;)
But it does bring me back to the first pic on this thread, which I happen to love, btw. Apparently it was taken in 1994, based on research from a previous thread.
http://www.photographerslimitededitions ... ckson.html (http://www.photographerslimitededitions.com/product_info.php?info=p608_Michael-Jackson.html)
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2853&start=75 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2853&start=75)
That doesn't convince me at all.
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Here is reality:
Just because you want it to me mike in all the pictures its not, just like in the real world everything you want isnt what it seems to be...GET OVER IT and stop fighting something so obvious...
whats more logical:
there has been doubles used or the lighting changed his whole face and/or he has done that much stuff to his face in the course of filming this movie, including changing ears , nose and bone structure
Here is more reality:
did yall "die hard" mike fans who swear you know mike when you see him :roll: ever think that maybe he sent out doubles to protect his own life?
:lol: Get some sleep, and get up tomorrow. You will see this thread is riduculous. If you met Michael himself, you would say.. "Nah, I don't bother handshaking him. It's 'deffo' an imposter..."
why dont you get some sleep and then go get some glasses and look at those 4 pictures again :roll: :lol:
Maybe because I've slept, and I recently checked my eyes, since I am taking Private Pilot License.. No problems with them, they're perfect.
OMG, please warn the people that will fly with you... I ain't boarding your plane, that's foh' sho'! :lol:
oh dear! :lol: :lol: :lol:
that was ice cold Souza!! lmao.
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Fascinating discussion, although I feel we go round and round and round and round on this topic. :lol:
The dude's a mystery, that's all I can say. ;)
But it does bring me back to the first pic on this thread, which I happen to love, btw. Apparently it was taken in 1994, based on research from a previous thread.
http://www.photographerslimitededitions ... ckson.html (http://www.photographerslimitededitions.com/product_info.php?info=p608_Michael-Jackson.html)
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2853&start=75 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2853&start=75)
That doesn't convince me at all.
I still stick with what I said in my first post - this looks like a recent pic to me.
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Here is reality:
Just because you want it to me mike in all the pictures its not, just like in the real world everything you want isnt what it seems to be...GET OVER IT and stop fighting something so obvious...
whats more logical:
there has been doubles used or the lighting changed his whole face and/or he has done that much stuff to his face in the course of filming this movie, including changing ears , nose and bone structure
Here is more reality:
did yall "die hard" mike fans who swear you know mike when you see him :roll: ever think that maybe he sent out doubles to protect his own life?
What about the die-hard fans who dont believe its him walking around, dancing, singing.
It's not logic to use doubles (who look exactly like him but ok) without any reason.
We're not living in a si-fi world, this is reality.
what about his fans who see that he used doubles? Honestly it does matter..but then arent you the same person who said you would lose respect for mike if he was a muslim :roll: I bet you would lose respect for him when you realize that he used doubles also :roll: Mike did what he had or felt he needed to do.period. if that meant using doubles, thats fine, faking his death, thats koo also. As long as he is alive and shook the people who were after him or spent time with his kids ect thats all good..or what if he has been sick and didnt want people to know he was sick so he used doubles?? again I dont know why he did but im sure there is a very good reason and whatever it is as a fan i will support him, unlike you :roll:
you keep saying they look just like him and they dont, if they did then we wouldnt be able to see the different chins,noses , heights ect
since you think it was all mike in TII explain to me how when he has on the orange pants he is shorter than the girl BUT ass chin guy is taller than her and she has on THE SAME HEELS????
you keep saying this is not sci-fi..lol its not hard to put make-up,glasses and a wig on someone and then look like mike :roll: it must work because your buying it...and its not sci-fi that he does have fan who get surgery to look like him so how hard it is to use them also?
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Most ridiculous thread so far.. cant believe what I read here.. sorry guys but cmon. thats an insult to MJ himself.
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Make up and shadow can make features look different.
In the Smooth Criminal pic he is wearing a hat and heavy make up.
Thats true!! I had worked on a beauty salon and I know that the make up artist use some make up on peoples nose to make it look thiner or different and in pictures with the light and everything, the nose looks really different...
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Fascinating discussion, although I feel we go round and round and round and round on this topic. :lol:
The dude's a mystery, that's all I can say. ;)
But it does bring me back to the first pic on this thread, which I happen to love, btw. Apparently it was taken in 1994, based on research from a previous thread.
http://www.photographerslimitededitions ... ckson.html (http://www.photographerslimitededitions.com/product_info.php?info=p608_Michael-Jackson.html)
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2853&start=75 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=2853&start=75)
That doesn't convince me at all.
I still stick with what I said in my first post - this looks like a recent pic to me.
The photo cost 2200 euro and is from 1994 (look at right next to the photo) ... ;)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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Most ridiculous thread so far.. cant believe what I read here.. sorry guys but cmon. thats an insult to MJ himself.
I think it's an insult to claim it's all Mike in TII, most of them can't even dance :?
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^^ I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING
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Most ridiculous thread so far.. cant believe what I read here.. sorry guys but cmon. thats an insult to MJ himself.
I think it's an insult to claim it's all Mike in TII, most of them can't even dance :?
It was MJ. hard to take.? yep. He wasnt that bad, the floor wasnt one where you can side walk etc..
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I think it's an insult to claim it's all Mike in TII, most of them can't even dance :?
my[KING]"]^^ I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING
Dito.
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You think MJ was Dave Dave but MJ wasnt MJ..?? okay... :shock:
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my[KING]"]^^ I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING
The movie was a joke IMO....and like souza said they couldnt even dance, billy jean dude tried but no moonwalk, the one in the puff jacket was horrible and so was orange pants...I cant believe people cant see that...
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You think MJ was Dave Dave but MJ wasnt MJ..?? okay... :shock:
Exactly! I am glad you got it now.
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You think MJ was Dave Dave but MJ wasnt MJ..?? okay... :shock:
dave had more MJ mannerism and speech similarity than ANY of them in TII
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but then arent you the same person who said you would lose respect for mike if he was a muslim :roll: I bet you would lose respect for him when you realize that he used doubles also
Whaaaaaat?! When did I say that?
Funny, cause I'm a proud Muslim myself!
To be honoust, I havent read your post, I stopped at the above sentence.
How can you say something like that? You don't know me or how deep my love and respect for Michael is!
This doubles thing has nothing to do with respect for Michael, it's all about commom sense. You think he used doubles, I don't. I use my arguments and you use ours, no need to get disrespectful.
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my[KING]"]^^ I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING
The movie was a joke IMO....and like souza said they couldnt even dance, billy jean dude tried but no moonwalk, the one in the puff jacket was horrible and so was orange pants...I cant believe people cant see that...
I wonder if we all saw the same version of This Is It... ;)
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but then arent you the same person who said you would lose respect for mike if he was a muslim :roll: I bet you would lose respect for him when you realize that he used doubles also
Whaaaaaat?! When did I say that?
Funny, cause I'm a proud Muslim myself!
To be honoust, I havent read your post, I stopped at the above sentence.
How can you say something like that? You don't know me or how deep my love and respect for Michael is!
This doubles thing has nothing to do with respect for Michael, it's all about commom sense. You think he used doubles, I don't. I use my arguments and you use ours, no need to get disrespectful.
Im sorry, It was the other person who told me to get sleep that said that. That was my mistake I thought she had quoted me not you.
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Theres so much strong points in this investigation of a hoax death but if you dont want to lose credibility and be taken seriously, dont destroy anything with ridiculous claims.
I wonder when I read this if people are still fans and have some respect left to Michael ?
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Well if there were doubles in TII than Michael must have twinbrothers ... :lol: :lol: :lol:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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my[KING]"]^^ I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING
The movie was a joke IMO....and like souza said they couldnt even dance, billy jean dude tried but no moonwalk, the one in the puff jacket was horrible and so was orange pants...I cant believe people cant see that...
I wonder if we all saw the same version of This Is It... ;)
I went on the very first night so maybe we were the ones who seen the doubles :lol:
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but then arent you the same person who said you would lose respect for mike if he was a muslim :roll: I bet you would lose respect for him when you realize that he used doubles also
Whaaaaaat?! When did I say that?
Funny, cause I'm a proud Muslim myself!
To be honoust, I havent read your post, I stopped at the above sentence.
How can you say something like that? You don't know me or how deep my love and respect for Michael is!
This doubles thing has nothing to do with respect for Michael, it's all about commom sense. You think he used doubles, I don't. I use my arguments and you use ours, no need to get disrespectful.
Im sorry, It was the other person who told me to get sleep that said that. That was my mistake I thought she had quoted me not you.
Still not a nice thing to say. I mean the losing respect part.
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Well if there were doubles in TII than Michael must have twinbrothers ... :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol:
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SAME EAR?????????
same ears, same double...mikes chin does not look like a ass...lol his cleft is wayyy too long
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I think Misha deserves an award for that comment! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Let's give her the "comment of the day award", what do you think?
Sounds like a good idea :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I didn´t know how to express that from time ago, Thank you!
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Theres so much strong points in this investigation of a hoax death but if you dont want to lose credibility and be taken seriously, dont destroy anything with ridiculous claims.
I wonder when I read this if people are still fans and have some respect left to Michael ?
It's called observations Harry. This website is called Michael Jackson Hoax Death INVESTIGATORS. In an investigation you look at everything, and I don't see any disrespect towards Mike in that.
I do however think it's quite disrespectful when you ridicule people by saying they have ridiculous claims because their opinion differs from yours...
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but then arent you the same person who said you would lose respect for mike if he was a muslim :roll: I bet you would lose respect for him when you realize that he used doubles also
Whaaaaaat?! When did I say that?
Funny, cause I'm a proud Muslim myself!
To be honoust, I havent read your post, I stopped at the above sentence.
How can you say something like that? You don't know me or how deep my love and respect for Michael is!
This doubles thing has nothing to do with respect for Michael, it's all about commom sense. You think he used doubles, I don't. I use my arguments and you use ours, no need to get disrespectful.
Im sorry, It was the other person who told me to get sleep that said that. That was my mistake I thought she had quoted me not you.
Still not a nice thing to say. I mean the losing respect part.
She was the one who said that "she would lose respect" for him, The whole post was towards her, being judgemental and a previous coversation we had, nothing to do with you or your respect for him
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Theres so much strong points in this investigation of a hoax death but if you dont want to lose credibility and be taken seriously, dont destroy anything with ridiculous claims.
I wonder when I read this if people are still fans and have some respect left to Michael ?
What does respect for MJ has to do with this?
I see it as following;
1. There are people convinced there are body doubles in TII.
2. There are people conviced that it is all MJ.
I seriously don't see what respect for MJ has to do with that. Plus, I think it is a very foul statement to claim that if someone doesn't agree with you, they don't respect MJ.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but no one here actually KNOWS MJ. No one here KNOWS what is going on in his head. No one KNOWS why he faked his own death. All we can do is guess, look for clues and research.
I still don't know if he used doubles or not, all I know is that his cleft has dramatically changed in less then a year.
Oh and the first statement about doubles came from his father. He is what sparked all this, reason enough to investigate it. Believe what you want to, but don't dismiss people because they disagree and make statements about their respect for MJ.
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So where is the real MJ in this is it??? If there are so many doubles is more easier to look for the real man, isnt it???? ;)
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but then arent you the same person who said you would lose respect for mike if he was a muslim :roll: I bet you would lose respect for him when you realize that he used doubles also
Whaaaaaat?! When did I say that?
Funny, cause I'm a proud Muslim myself!
To be honoust, I havent read your post, I stopped at the above sentence.
How can you say something like that? You don't know me or how deep my love and respect for Michael is!
This doubles thing has nothing to do with respect for Michael, it's all about commom sense. You think he used doubles, I don't. I use my arguments and you use ours, no need to get disrespectful.
Im sorry, It was the other person who told me to get sleep that said that. That was my mistake I thought she had quoted me not you.
Still not a nice thing to say. I mean the losing respect part.
She was the one who said that "she would lose respect" for him, The whole post was towards her, being judgemental and a previous coversation we had, nothing to do with you or your respect for him
I remember the thread, it was about him becoming a muslim. As a Muslim I felt offened too by what some said, but I don't see the need to bring up what he or she said cause it has nothing to do with this thread about doubles. ;)
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So where is the real MJ in this is it??? If there are so many doubles is more easier to look for the real man, isnt it???? ;)
Mission Impossible with all that doubles ... :mrgreen:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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but then arent you the same person who said you would lose respect for mike if he was a muslim :roll: I bet you would lose respect for him when you realize that he used doubles also
Whaaaaaat?! When did I say that?
Funny, cause I'm a proud Muslim myself!
To be honoust, I havent read your post, I stopped at the above sentence.
How can you say something like that? You don't know me or how deep my love and respect for Michael is!
This doubles thing has nothing to do with respect for Michael, it's all about commom sense. You think he used doubles, I don't. I use my arguments and you use ours, no need to get disrespectful.
Im sorry, It was the other person who told me to get sleep that said that. That was my mistake I thought she had quoted me not you.
Still not a nice thing to say. I mean the losing respect part.
She was the one who said that "she would lose respect" for him, The whole post was towards her, being judgemental and a previous coversation we had, nothing to do with you or your respect for him
I remember the thread, it was about him becoming a muslim. As a Muslim I felt offened too by what some said, but I don't see the need to bring up what he or she said cause it has nothing to do with this thread about doubles. ;)
her comment in that topic shows that ,among other things, she is closed minded and judgemental. When you are both of those things you are only going to see things your way REGUARDLESS of what is presented to you, there for there was no need to have a regular conversation about this topic with her.
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So where is the real MJ in this is it??? If there are so many doubles is more easier to look for the real man, isnt it???? ;)
Mission Impossible with all that doubles ... :mrgreen:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
haha :D I know.. Michael could have us stunt doubles but how can a double look so much alike the real thing??? for me was mj all the movie (mm well orange trousers i dont know)
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I feel that none of these pics are MJ.. MJ has a very tiny pointed nose, none of those pics have that tiny pointed nose. Too bad I think in order to see if it is the real MJ we need to look at his finger nails.. Than we can say it is him..
There are too many impersonators that really look like him..
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I learned that MJ used doubles after June 25, 2009. Prior to that, I would have ASSuMEd that MJ was always MJ. With that said, it can be ASSuMEd that MJ may have used doubles for a fraction of his public appearances... or... perhaps ...for the majority of them. Do we really really know? For all we know, MJ may have been punking people for years with the use of doubles. Ask yourself …when did you learn that he used doubles? Was it in the 80s, 90s, early 00s ...or... just recently within the past 8 months?
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Not sure about #4
Other seem to be Michael
Smooth Criminal was filmed in Black and white so very different makeup also the zoom lense they used makes you look different.. they wanted that 40's feel..
Talking about his nose from what my friend said that his bridge really did collapse (But he did have a nose) he was just getting injections.. I did not ask what kind of injections
maybe that is why his nose looks different?
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I learned that MJ used doubles after June 25, 2009. Prior to that, I would have ASSuMEd that MJ was always MJ. With that said, it can be ASSuMEd that MJ may have used doubles for a fraction of his public appearances... or... perhaps ...for the majority of them. Do we really really know? For all we know, MJ may have been punking people for years with the use of doubles. Ask yourself …when did you learn that he used doubles? Was it in the 80s, 90s, early 00s ...or... just recently within the past 8 months?
I didnt realize he was using doubles until i watched the bashit interview again after he "died". Then i started to go back more and more and i see that he has been using them for some time, i would say he started in the bad era but like you i can only make ASSumptions. But from my research i would say bad era is when it begin.
what i do is look for certain things that would not change, like the bubble on his wrist BUT when i see the scar on his cheek I know it is him without a doubt..that scar has been there since he was a child
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I just wanted to add that the point of this thread was to get people to think and look at the possibility that there has been a double or doubles who was prominent in Michael's life for many years. I by no means want to say this was ALL the time, but by looking at the evidence for me and several others it seems to show that 80% of the time we weren't seeing the "real" Michael...think about it its one of the greatest geniuos illusions ever..the media and including some fans believe that michael has jad too many surgeries..what if what we believed to been michael we have just been seeing a double..i mean michael is not a chameleon and it amazes me over the past 16 years that his face has changes sooo much and rapidly fast and able to heal and make all the tv appearances, outings , etc and still be seen.. it defies logic and common sense to me.I agree that Michael had surgeries but in the interview with Bashir he stated he only had 2 surgeries done. So how can someone's face change so much other then from age and only 2 surgeries were done. Michael stated himself once that "we only see what he wanted us to see, when he wanted and how he wanted" and i think that is something that some of the non-believers about doubles really need to think about...i mean this is MICHAEL JACKSON that we are talking about...over 40 years we have known michael the king of pop the entertainer and every other great thing that he deservers to be called but we dont know what goes on behind the scenes when he's not performing. He had many doubles and that is not a secret. Will knowing that MJ used a double for the last years make me love him less, Nope. I give him credit for having the courage and the brilliance to pull something like that off and not get caught. And still till this day the illusion continues and i think its very relevent to the hoax..some us are not in total agreement that the person we saw at the o2 conference was not Michael Jackson.
but lets just say if that wasn't Michael Jackson, what would make you so sure that at most of the other times it was him? i can tell you that after 1993, he not only hasn't looked the same (except during the history tour where he suddenly reverted back to looking exactly the same and then looked weird again straight after) he never performed the same again either (except the history tour)
Look at any footage pre 1993 and compare it to anything after that (except the history tour) Not the same person. Could these visable changes among the various MJ's have also fueled rumors and speculation about MJ's mental state of mind? Tabloids may have noticed physical changes and attributed the changes more to MJ's character than his body? They may not have been able to fully pinpoint what was different or "wrong" with MJ. Soooo they may have naturally taken the cheap shots at his personality/character/mind because it made for good gossip stories...HERES WHAT I CHALLENGE YOU TO DO GO BACK AND LOOK AT VERY PROMINENT APPEARANCES MADE BY MICHAEL AND INCLUDING INTERVIEWS, TOURS AND MUSIC VIDS UP TILL NOW AND I BET YOU WILL NOTICE THE UNCANNY ILLUSION THAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING OVER THE YEARS AND YOU WILL DISCOVER NOT JUST MICHAEL THE KING OF POP BUT THE ILLUSIONISTS!!!
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Ok...
This doubles stuff really freaks me out. I have only seen MJ perform live onstage just twice in the early 70s when he performed with his brothers as a member of the Jackson 5. To consider back then that one day I would be discussing the possibilty of MJ doubles would have just sent me flying over a mental cliff...for real. I cannot lie to y'all....sometimes I look at pictures and wonder ...who is that man.
Is the MJHDI happy hour bar open because I seriously need for someone to pour me a stiff drink, ok.
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I think he may have been using different face mask I remember that court pic a you can see wear the mask was not on completely. and TII may have had doubles not because MJ was sick or anything like that but he was not showing up for rehearsal something was definitely going on and I don't think he was please by it at all.
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http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q ... CCkQsAQwAw (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Dimitrie+Draghicescu&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS354US354&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=JaR0S42AEc2UnQfkq6SfCQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCkQsAQwAw)
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so none of them are MJ...it was Dimitrie all the time... :shock:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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i'm so confused
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I just wanted to add that the point of this thread was to get people to think and look at the possibility that there has been a double or doubles who was prominent in Michael's life for many years. I by no means want to say this was ALL the time, but by looking at the evidence for me and several others it seems to show that 80% of the time we weren't seeing the "real" Michael...think about it its one of the greatest geniuos illusions ever..the media and including some fans believe that michael has jad too many surgeries..what if what we believed to been michael we have just been seeing a double..i mean michael is not a chameleon and it amazes me over the past 16 years that his face has changes sooo much and rapidly fast and able to heal and make all the tv appearances, outings , etc and still be seen.. it defies logic and common sense to me.I agree that Michael had surgeries but in the interview with Bashir he stated he only had 2 surgeries done. So how can someone's face change so much other then from age and only 2 surgeries were done. Michael stated himself once that "we only see what he wanted us to see, when he wanted and how he wanted" and i think that is something that some of the non-believers about doubles really need to think about...i mean this is MICHAEL JACKSON that we are talking about...over 40 years we have known michael the king of pop the entertainer and every other great thing that he deservers to be called but we dont know what goes on behind the scenes when he's not performing. He had many doubles and that is not a secret. Will knowing that MJ used a double for the last years make me love him less, Nope. I give him credit for having the courage and the brilliance to pull something like that off and not get caught. And still till this day the illusion continues and i think its very relevent to the hoax..some us are not in total agreement that the person we saw at the o2 conference was not Michael Jackson.
but lets just say if that wasn't Michael Jackson, what would make you so sure that at most of the other times it was him? i can tell you that after 1993, he not only hasn't looked the same (except during the history tour where he suddenly reverted back to looking exactly the same and then looked weird again straight after) he never performed the same again either (except the history tour)
Look at any footage pre 1993 and compare it to anything after that (except the history tour) Not the same person. Could these visable changes among the various MJ's have also fueled rumors and speculation about MJ's mental state of mind? Tabloids may have noticed physical changes and attributed the changes more to MJ's character than his body? They may not have been able to fully pinpoint what was different or "wrong" with MJ. Soooo they may have naturally taken the cheap shots at his personality/character/mind because it made for good gossip stories...HERES WHAT I CHALLENGE YOU TO DO GO BACK AND LOOK AT VERY PROMINENT APPEARANCES MADE BY MICHAEL AND INCLUDING INTERVIEWS, TOURS AND MUSIC VIDS UP TILL NOW AND I BET YOU WILL NOTICE THE UNCANNY ILLUSION THAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING OVER THE YEARS AND YOU WILL DISCOVER NOT JUST MICHAEL THE KING OF POP BUT THE ILLUSIONISTS!!!
I find what you have to say very plausible and it definitely explains why Michael would perform in concert looking like the Michael Jackson we all knew and loved (albeit a little older each time of course) and then suddenly revert to looking like the "weird" MJ portrayed in the tabloids, magazines & on TV. Thanks for posting this ... it's given me plenty of food for thought. I too believe that Michael has created an illusion around himself for a purpose and that we only see what he wants us to see. He has been controlling his destiny for decades now and he has definitely graduated as a Master ;)
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What is happening in this thread is a well known phenomenon in criminalology, the photo ID. A certain percentage of people just is not capable of recognizing other people based on facial features, which is why identification based on photo ID is considered as less reliable.
You can go over and over again trying to proof things here, but fact is, some people are just not well capable in identification.
Another thing, he would probably hate his face being examined in such detail with a magnifying glass as is being done now...
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This thread is getting ridiculous.
What some people in here are saying, is: "Michael Jackson doesn't exist!"
The reason is, whatever I post of pictures of Michael Joe Jackson, some people believe strongly it's an impersonator. You think Michael Joe Jackson isn't himself, because he is not allowed to change in your minds! Michael Jackson is so much more than just a media target. Some people believe it's not Michael Joe Jackson, because he for some reason change his look all the time.
You got to realize it, the lad became a man! This is an age difference from 1988 to 2009.. 21 Years!
(http://http://msxb-d7.vo.llnw.net/CONTENT/IMAGES//69/e7e7e2bc-d5e8-4c51-9cf4-5cc76f596269.jpg)
(http://http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9100000/This-Is-It-Smooth-Criminal-mjs-this-is-it-9109267-695-511.jpg)
I don't know if you know, but he looked like this.. :
(http://http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2009/6/26/1246024286818/Michael-Jackson-002.jpg)
But ended up like this..:
(http://http://blog.taragana.com/e/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/michael-jackson-memorial_service_over.jpg)
I don't know what you believe, or "know".. But Michael changed. Maybe he changed in This Is It,
but WE DON'T KNOW for how long they have been doing This Is It rehearsals..
Not all pictures look the same, you yourself know that. Michael Joe Jackson looks different each time he is going outside his house. Soon some people will believe in the theory: Michael Jackson died black, impersonators has been used since..
I don't know what you actually believe.. But once again.. Michael Joe Jackson is 50 years! He is not longer 42 from the Reunion with his brothers, Michael is not longer the lad from 1980's and 90's..
He is 50! It's limits for a 50 year old man with lupus, what he is capable to do. "His moves doesn't look good, he dance like an impersonator.." Yeah.. Maybe he does, he is not 20,30 or 40 years.. He is 50..
Now, the LAST thing for you believers of "Michael Jackson didn't really exist; Cause there were only impersonators of Michael.." Go to the mirror, or pick up your camera.
Try to look..
-Serious; Relaxed, Try to take in the cheeks..
-Exited; Happy, close your eyes to focus, try to bit your lips.
-Sad; Serious, Relaxed, Curious, Tired..
-Rough; Take your lips together, Focused on something, Slowly breath..
These four "try to look" are how Michael is on these pictures.. Good luck!
If you're still not convinced that all four are Michael.. Uhm.. Then you did never knew who MJ was, because all you saw was impersonators.. You're saying MJ is an imposter now, so how are you sure that Michael actually is alive? How can we know how he looks like then? Which health he is in or not..
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IS this the REAL MJ? At home? with his Children... FAR away from papz..
Well? this MJ looks very, very different from the Michael jackson IN This Is It!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y0RfDwmk-I[/youtube]
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IS this the REAL MJ? At home? with his Children... FAR away from papz..
Well? this MJ looks very, very different from the Michael jackson IN This Is It!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y0RfDwmk-I[/youtube]
It is Michael.. This is from 2004.. He look exactly like the same as the person on picture 4 on page 1..
You guys don't make sense at all..
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This is one of the most thought-provoking threads (apart from Dave Dave-LKL and V for Vendetta) that I have ever read. In my opinion, you have put into words what we might have been perceiving and processing for years as strange.
Michael has only allowed us to see what he wanted us to see. He never was a victim, then.
Michael performing, however, was always Michael, right? Appearances at awards, etc., were frequently doubles (one that comes to mind is the appearance with Pavarotti in Italy). So it is possible that there was a double during the trials, too?
From these observations, we can conclude that he used a double for his death. This would explain the non-recognition by the ambulance crew and other things that do not make sense.
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when was the 1st pic taken?? it looks GORGEOUS! :D i always thought they had doubles in this is it and im gonna buy the movie wen it comes out here (in aussie) and watch it a couple of times..but me and ma cuz both agree than the mj in orange pants is a double and i think the human nature penguin guy is a double 2..but i feel that the mj in da grey suit thats this one
http://cdn.mymajicdc.com/files//2009/10/michael-jackson-this-is-it-cover3.jpg
is the real one..the gold pants guy mite be or mite not b a double i dunno..but IMO there were definitely doubles in this is it cos come on ppl all the michaels do not look the sameee!!
so do u think im ryt abt which r doubles? cos i dnt knw anymoree
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OMG ! I read 10 pages of posts and I'm sure I'm loosin it !!! :lol: :lol:
Definately , a lot of food for thought and deep digging but ...I really don't know...
This is not going anywhere ...
I'm sure that Mike has doubles but ...how on earth can someone be sure who is who ???
i don't think that any of us has ever met the real Mike so ...
we can only compare pics and angles and lights and make up and bone structures and the list goes on and on ...
I just want the one and only real Michael to be OK and safe . Period. :) :) :)
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This is one of the most thought-provoking threads (apart from Dave Dave-LKL and V for Vendetta) that I have ever read. In my opinion, you have put into words what we might have been perceiving and processing for years as strange.
Michael has only allowed us to see what he wanted us to see. He never was a victim, then.
Michael performing, however, was always Michael, right? Appearances at awards, etc., were frequently doubles (one that comes to mind is the appearance with Pavarotti in Italy). So it is possible that there was a double during the trials, too?
From these observations, we can conclude that he used a double for his death. This would explain the non-recognition by the ambulance crew and other things that do not make sense.
I totally agree with your statement ...especially that there was a double at the trials .. If I had been falsely accused and was threatened with going to jail that would have the first thing I would have said to my people "get me a double I dont care how much it costs I aint goint to no jail"
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just wondering, do Prince, and Paris and Blanket knows their daddy has doubles? should be very weird for them!
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just wondering, do Prince, and Paris and Blanket knows their daddy has doubles? should be very weird for them!
You're ridiculous.
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just wondering, do Prince, and Paris and Blanket knows their daddy has doubles? should be very weird for them!
You're ridiculous.
Thank u, mister Pilot!
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here we go once again, michael in 2 different scenes for the same clip.
whO is who, and i see differences, in the eyes,nose and chin. AND THE FIRST PIC IS NOT SHRUNK IN ANY WAY. GO WATCH THIS IS IT FOR YOURSELF, ITS THE SCENE RIGHT BEFORE HE BURSTS THROUGH THE GLASS. THE CLEFT IS NOT THE SAME, THE NOSE IS NOT THE SAME. AND NEITHER ARE THE EYES.
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Make up and shadow can make features look different.
In the Smooth Criminal pic he is wearing a hat and heavy make up.
Thats true!! I had worked on a beauty salon and I know that the make up artist use some make up on peoples nose to make it look thiner or different and in pictures with the light and everything, the nose looks really different...
Well, i AM a make-up artist and i'm saying that you can change a lot of things with make up, but NOT the teeth, NOT the ears, and NOT the whole face... :roll:
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to wiZZKIDD
Absolutely agree with ya,very well said. Michael is the king of illusions,he loves them as he himself said in many of his interviews and its not a secret that he would use doubles when not wanting to be in the spotlight or for different occasions,while reading this thread,i really went nuts,my head gonna explode,dont know what to make of it,but in my humbe opinion,the 3"Michael" on the first page of this topic looks very different,if there were doubles i do think the third one is a double, he looks just too different from other pictures,anyway i just consider the theory that his sick double died instead of him on june25, is a very plausible theory,thats why it was hard for the personnel of the hospital to recognize him and make the final announcement of his death,but as i said everyone is entitled to his opinion and its personal.
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Make up and shadow can make features look different.
In the Smooth Criminal pic he is wearing a hat and heavy make up.
Thats true!! I had worked on a beauty salon and I know that the make up artist use some make up on peoples nose to make it look thiner or different and in pictures with the light and everything, the nose looks really different...
Well, i AM a make-up artist and i'm saying that you can change a lot of things with make up, but NOT the teeth, NOT the ears, and NOT the whole face... :roll:
So, your conclusion is? :roll: Double, or Michael!
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to wiZZKIDD
Absolutely agree with ya,very well said. Michael is the king of illusions,he loves them as he himself said in many of his interviews and its not a secret that he would use doubles when not wanting to be in the spotlight or for different occasions,while reading this thread,i really went nuts,my head gonna explode,dont know what to make of it,but in my humbe opinion,the 3"Michael" on the first page of this topic looks very different,if there were doubles i do think the third one is a double, he looks just too different from other pictures,anyway i just consider the theory that his sick double died instead of him on june25, is a very plausible theory,thats why it was hard for the personnel of the hospital to recognize him and make the final announcement of his death,but as i said everyone is entitled to his opinion and its personal.
Look at the eyes
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2009/6/26/1246024286818/Michael-Jackson-002.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3949)
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MJ double BUSTED
Plz watch 0:18/0:20 This double dance like MJ, Sings like MJ, but makes a mistake:
[youtube:6tml00gm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUb3x3pLw5U[/youtube:6tml00gm]
DID u see it? wrong leg in front, and very fast he do it right again. how can THE REAL MJ make such a fault. I know u r all saying now he is just a humain. But the REAL MJ did BILLIE JEAN perfomance since 1983... so How can he do it wrong?
Watch it over and over, again and again.. U see that he makes a big mistake with the legs. IT CANT BE MJ!!!! really, that man was 7, he was pefectionist!!!!
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MJ double BUSTED
Plz watch 0:18/0:20 This double dance like MJ, Sings like MJ, but makes a mistake:
[youtube:3fke2guv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUb3x3pLw5U[/youtube:3fke2guv]
DID u see it? wrong leg in front, and very fast he do it right again. how can THE REAL MJ make such a fault. I know u r all saying now he is just a humain. But the REAL MJ did BILLIE JEAN perfomance since 1983... so How can he do it wrong?
Watch it over and over, again and again.. U see that he makes a big mistake with the legs. IT CANT BE MJ!!!! really, that man was 7, he was pefectionist!!!!
You can see it's a rhythm in it.. You're now against MJ :S
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This is totally, utterly respectless!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: The face of this man is being eliminated with a magnifying glass, even on pictures where he is clearly ill and not well. Just shows under what sort of scrutiny he has had to deal with all his live concerning his appearance, even now, by "fans".
Drawing on his face with arrows and squares and what not, it's total disrespect!!
:evil: Criticising his dancing, his singing, his appearance, all under the name of "believe it's a double"!!! They are REHEARSALS for crying out loud!!Thanks a lot for this K. Ortega! Michael would NEVER have approved to release unfinished rehearsal material that was not 100% perfect, EVER!
This is just BASHING him, IMO.
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It is all Mike :)
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People complaining that these are NOT MJ, does clearly live in a world I'll never understand. They think everything is possible, even in 1980' change your look to look exactly like Michael with some surgery.
Time to get outside, and realize that the world isn't how you imagine it.
Think how Michael will feel, when he see fans saying "That's not Michael" "That impersonator can't dance.."
"It's all impersonators.."
People change, he IS 50!!
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why is it so hard to believe that they used doubles.
JOE clearly stated they used doubles in the movie unless every word he says is a lie and i doubt that.
And i truly dont understand half of you with these comments..
THIS IS A HOAX SITE. we discuss many things and are open to many ideas.
No one is purposely being disrespectful to michael in anyway.
Trying to see if there are doubles is part of investigating, if it bothers you that some people find odd things in pictures or videos etc.. then its our right to look into it. No one in this thread that feels there are doubles are making fun of michael so why get all worked up over it. tHIS IS WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU INVESTIGATE THINGS.
Please dont feel you cant express yourself or your dislike of a thread but try to restrain that anger for threads that are purposely making fun of or attacking michael.
We in this thread are trying to bring to light the fact that michael seems to have doubles, which in a super star of his caliber is more then likely, and we obviously see differences in many pictures and many of these pictures are in the same time frame, and then even some older pictures match newer pics when they shouldn't and so on.
I personally see cleft changes, nose changes, eye changes , lip changes and other things, I will grant you make up and lighting can change things and that's common sense but some pictures just look to odd and just dont look like him especially when they are suppose to be in the same time frame, such as the smooth criminal pics versus the others, also some court pics , there seems to be doubles during that few weeks as well.
Now if we ever come to a common ground that they used doubles, then I would say they look pretty close and none we know of, or maybe some we do that had more surgery, Im not sure where to go yet.
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just wondering, do Prince, and Paris and Blanket knows their daddy has doubles? should be very weird for them!
You're ridiculous.
And how judgemental YOU are ToM. Mike did change yes, he turned white and his nose changed, sometimes he was skinnier than other times. But he didn't change his complete face.
Mike added a cleft and had some nose surgery, but still you can see clearly that it's him. Compare this (1 is from November 2005!) with the TII pictures:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/017.jpg)
Same facial structures, same expression, same guy: Michael Jackson. I guess he didn't change that much, besides the fact that he got a little older.
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Those who believe there is doubles, seems to denial the fact that it was most likely not any doubles in This Is It.. Those double believers keep reading posts based on doubles, but skips the posts that Michael Jackson was in This Is It, in all scenes.
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Those who believe there is doubles, seems to denial the fact that it was most likely not any doubles in This Is It.. Those double believers keep reading posts based on doubles, but skips the posts that Michael Jackson was in This Is It, in all scenes.
Do u have TII the movie DVD, or do u have seen the movie????? And may I ask u, how old u are?
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Those who believe there is doubles, seems to denial the fact that it was most likely not any doubles in This Is It.. Those double believers keep reading posts based on doubles, but skips the posts that Michael Jackson was in This Is It, in all scenes.
Pot meets kettle Tom...
You were the one who just said in the chat room that the hight changes were accomplished by using shoulder pads. Get your definition straight Tom, HEIGHT is not the same as WIDTH.
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why is it so hard to believe that they used doubles.
JOE clearly stated they used doubles in the movie unless every word he says is a lie and i doubt that.
And i truly dont understand half of you with these comments..
THIS IS A HOAX SITE. we discuss many things and are open to many ideas.
No one is purposely being disrespectful to michael in anyway.
Trying to see if there are doubles is part of investigating, if it bothers you that some people find odd things in pictures or videos etc.. then its our right to look into it. No one in this thread that feels there are doubles are making fun of michael so why get all worked up over it. tHIS IS WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU INVESTIGATE THINGS.
Please dont feel you cant express yourself or your dislike of a thread but try to restrain that anger for threads that are purposely making fun of or attacking michael.
We in this thread are trying to bring to light the fact that michael seems to have doubles, which in a super star of his caliber is more then likely, and we obviously see differences in many pictures and many of these pictures are in the same time frame, and then even some older pictures match newer pics when they shouldn't and so on.
I personally see cleft changes, nose changes, eye changes , lip changes and other things, I will grant you make up and lighting can change things and that's common sense but some pictures just look to odd and just dont look like him especially when they are suppose to be in the same time frame, such as the smooth criminal pics versus the others, also some court pics , there seems to be doubles during that few weeks as well.
Now if we ever come to a common ground that they used doubles, then I would say they look pretty close and none we know of, or maybe some we do that had more surgery, Im not sure where to go yet.
Critisising his dancing and singing during rehearsals IS an attack, it's just bashing! You people have no proof whatsoever that it is a double, you just THINK it is a double whilst others say you are wrong. In the meantime, you just continue to insult him!
This has NOTHING to do with investigating or hoax. Even if assuming he used a double at one point in time, it does proof NOTHING at all that it is a hoax. It does NOT proof that on 25th June it was a double and not Michael.
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Those who believe there is doubles, seems to denial the fact that it was most likely not any doubles in This Is It.. Those double believers keep reading posts based on doubles, but skips the posts that Michael Jackson was in This Is It, in all scenes.
Do u have TII the movie DVD, or do u have seen the movie????? And may I ask u, how old u are?
I have This Is It Blu-Ray, FULL-HD TV, PlayStation 3.. So nothing wrong with my quality.
Just passed Medical Test 2, perfect eyes..
I saw This Is It twice on cinema.
I am 15.
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why is it so hard to believe that they used doubles.
JOE clearly stated they used doubles in the movie unless every word he says is a lie and i doubt that.
And i truly dont understand half of you with these comments..
THIS IS A HOAX SITE. we discuss many things and are open to many ideas.
No one is purposely being disrespectful to michael in anyway.
Trying to see if there are doubles is part of investigating, if it bothers you that some people find odd things in pictures or videos etc.. then its our right to look into it. No one in this thread that feels there are doubles are making fun of michael so why get all worked up over it. tHIS IS WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU INVESTIGATE THINGS.
Please dont feel you cant express yourself or your dislike of a thread but try to restrain that anger for threads that are purposely making fun of or attacking michael.
We in this thread are trying to bring to light the fact that michael seems to have doubles, which in a super star of his caliber is more then likely, and we obviously see differences in many pictures and many of these pictures are in the same time frame, and then even some older pictures match newer pics when they shouldn't and so on.
I personally see cleft changes, nose changes, eye changes , lip changes and other things, I will grant you make up and lighting can change things and that's common sense but some pictures just look to odd and just dont look like him especially when they are suppose to be in the same time frame, such as the smooth criminal pics versus the others, also some court pics , there seems to be doubles during that few weeks as well.
Now if we ever come to a common ground that they used doubles, then I would say they look pretty close and none we know of, or maybe some we do that had more surgery, Im not sure where to go yet.
Critisising his dancing and singing during rehearsals IS an attack, it's just bashing! You people have no proof whatsoever that it is a double, you just THINK it is a double whilst others say you are wrong. In the meantime, you just continue to insult him!
This has NOTHING to do with investigating or hoax. Even if assuming he used a double at one point in time, it does proof NOTHING at all that it is a hoax. It does NOT proof that on 25th June it was a double and not Michael.
God Bless, Raven!
Finally another person thinking about the fact.
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why is it so hard to believe that they used doubles.
JOE clearly stated they used doubles in the movie unless every word he says is a lie and i doubt that.
And i truly dont understand half of you with these comments..
THIS IS A HOAX SITE. we discuss many things and are open to many ideas.
No one is purposely being disrespectful to michael in anyway.
Trying to see if there are doubles is part of investigating, if it bothers you that some people find odd things in pictures or videos etc.. then its our right to look into it. No one in this thread that feels there are doubles are making fun of michael so why get all worked up over it. tHIS IS WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU INVESTIGATE THINGS.
Please dont feel you cant express yourself or your dislike of a thread but try to restrain that anger for threads that are purposely making fun of or attacking michael.
We in this thread are trying to bring to light the fact that michael seems to have doubles, which in a super star of his caliber is more then likely, and we obviously see differences in many pictures and many of these pictures are in the same time frame, and then even some older pictures match newer pics when they shouldn't and so on.
I personally see cleft changes, nose changes, eye changes , lip changes and other things, I will grant you make up and lighting can change things and that's common sense but some pictures just look to odd and just dont look like him especially when they are suppose to be in the same time frame, such as the smooth criminal pics versus the others, also some court pics , there seems to be doubles during that few weeks as well.
Now if we ever come to a common ground that they used doubles, then I would say they look pretty close and none we know of, or maybe some we do that had more surgery, Im not sure where to go yet.
Critisising his dancing and singing during rehearsals IS an attack, it's just bashing! You people have no proof whatsoever that it is a double, you just THINK it is a double whilst others say you are wrong. In the meantime, you just continue to insult him!
This has NOTHING to do with investigating or hoax. Even if assuming he used a double at one point in time, it does proof NOTHING at all that it is a hoax. It does NOT proof that on 25th June it was a double and not Michael.
Well put Raven! :D Michael dident gave 100% while Practiced the dances / songs. thats why it seems like its a double is acting,
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'""Critisising his dancing and singing during rehearsals IS an attack, it's just bashing!""
followed by 2 more posts saying he wasnt giving it all.
we arent discussing his singing or dancing, at least im not. whats that have to do with the photos showing discrepancies.
your over reacting and directing anger at the wrong people and your not getting your facts straight, we are comparing images, I never criticized his singing or dancing.
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just a quetstion to those who think he DID NOT use double(s)
IS this Michael jackson??? From 3:54
[youtube:1g1fk7ya]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dBE_IRySKM[/youtube:1g1fk7ya]
Original link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dBE_IRySKM
song: Leave me Alone - MJ
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just a quetstion to those who think he DID NOT use double(s)
IS this Michael jackson??? From 3:54
[youtube:2z4z9jx9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dBE_IRySKM[/youtube:2z4z9jx9]
Too bad, ain't working.. What do you think? Are you braindead? :? How can you actually think that Michael excisted? Everything in your head is.. DOBULES!
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'""Critisising his dancing and singing during rehearsals IS an attack, it's just bashing!""
your over reacting and directing anger at the wrong people and your not getting your facts straight, we are comparing images, I never criticized his singing or dancing.
Other people in this thread HAVE criticised his singing and dancing. I'm not overreacting at all, it's wrong what you ppl are doing here.
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just a quetstion to those who think he DID NOT use double(s)
IS this Michael jackson??? From 3:54
[youtube:13u8ohbk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dBE_IRySKM[/youtube:13u8ohbk]
Too bad, ain't working.. What do you think? Are you braindead? :?
JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!! IS THT MJ OR A DOUBLE
and try not to be rude, Mist nice-eye!!
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[quote = "badkolo"] [color = # 800000] Ont maintenant un coup d'oeil aux Pics.
Et S'il Vous Plait me dire Qui est l'OMS, Qui est Celle de Michael Qui N'EST PAS Et qui le F est qui.
Regardez Le Nez, TIP:: Regardez la photo Smooth criminal en noir et blanc et regardez le pont de nez, craquait fils, Dans regardent les yeux et le menton. Et dites-moi woho Le F est-ce???, Regardez Le nez au pic A partir de ce Qu'elle Est et le regarder DANS LES yeux Et le menton, Puis please digg profonde et dites-moi Qui le F est-ce???
Alors si votre cerveau est encore sur la tête, jetez un oeil à Mike cool de la scène sur fond vert et Menton fils de regarder et de la mâchoire et le nez et la peau, et dites-moi cela.
WHO THE F IS THAT????
Oh, et si par ailleurs ne pas vous Voyez la différence, alors oui your crazy, I said it, there you go. LOOK AT Le nez et le menton et de lièvre, LOOK AT THE BLACK AND WHITE PHOTO DE Smooth criminal <LOOK AT THE NOSE <SON PAS LA MEME PERSONNE <et Tous Ces éléments sont dé là il est <COMMENTAIRE EST POSSIBLE QUE <Qui sont LES F NOUS RECHERCHONS AT. Gravement <SOMEONE TELL ME WHO????
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Has it ever occurred to you that Mike at one point might not have had a choice BUT to use doubles..?
Maybe when you allow yourself to consider this possibility you are able to acknowledge the doubles.
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just a quetstion to those who think he DID NOT use double(s)
IS this Michael jackson??? From 3:54
[youtube:1vfbs2bi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dBE_IRySKM[/youtube:1vfbs2bi]
Too bad, ain't working.. What do you think? Are you braindead? :?
Stop making comments like that or I have to ban you from the forum. Respect other's opinion and don't ridicule him. This is a discussion and you have to argument your comments, not just bash people.
I have a new picture for you:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/003.jpg)
first 2 clearly Mike, last one? I don't think so...
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Well to the people who watched LEave me alone, And thought that they saw MJ, wel think again
Here's a photo of Michael working with one of his doubles for "Leave Me Alone". It's for the scene that starts at about 3:54 where Michael is on a rocket and again at the end.
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/bad/shortfilms/lma/028.jpg)
He is THE DIRECTOR, and not THE ACTOR!!!!!
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[quote = "badkolo"] [color = # 800000] Ont maintenant un coup d'oeil aux Pics.
Et S'il Vous Plait me dire Qui est l'OMS, Qui est Celle de Michael Qui N'EST PAS Et qui le F est qui.
Regardez Le Nez, TIP:: Regardez la photo Smooth criminal en noir et blanc et regardez le pont de nez, craquait fils, Dans regardent les yeux et le menton. Et dites-moi woho Le F est-ce???, Regardez Le nez au pic A partir de ce Qu'elle Est et le regarder DANS LES yeux Et le menton, Puis please digg profonde et dites-moi Qui le F est-ce???
Alors si votre cerveau est encore sur la tête, jetez un oeil à Mike cool de la scène sur fond vert et Menton fils de regarder et de la mâchoire et le nez et la peau, et dites-moi cela.
WHO THE F IS THAT????
Oh, et si par ailleurs ne pas vous Voyez la différence, alors oui your crazy, I said it, there you go. LOOK AT Le nez et le menton et de lièvre, LOOK AT THE BLACK AND WHITE PHOTO DE Smooth criminal <LOOK AT THE NOSE <SON PAS LA MEME PERSONNE <et Tous Ces éléments sont dé là il est <COMMENTAIRE EST POSSIBLE QUE <Qui sont LES F NOUS RECHERCHONS AT. Gravement <SOMEONE TELL ME WHO????
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This is the same man. One is from a video while he is dancing or singing, the one is a still photo, where he pose.. A photo will always have better quality than a picture from a clip. He wear make up on the photo, since he is filming Smooth Criminal. No need for make up when you're rehearsing, unless you like it.
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Make up and shadow can make features look different.
In the Smooth Criminal pic he is wearing a hat and heavy make up.
Thats true!! I had worked on a beauty salon and I know that the make up artist use some make up on peoples nose to make it look thiner or different and in pictures with the light and everything, the nose looks really different...
Well, i AM a make-up artist and i'm saying that you can change a lot of things with make up, but NOT the teeth, NOT the ears, and NOT the whole face... :roll:
So, your conclusion is? :roll: Double, or Michael!
I'm saying that most of the guys in the TII are doubles.
No doubt about it.
I understand that there are so many things what could give you different looks ( lighting, make up etc), but even if you have a strong make up on you, your face structure, your teeth, your ears, and your smile don't change for sure.
I don't know about you guys, but i've never had any doubts watching a photo about (real)Mike that is it him or not. He has something what doubles don't have...like..you know, charisma..something in his eyes..even the way he walks, he moves..you cant copy these things.
So my conclusion is simple : If i have any doubts watching a photo about him, well then it's probably NOT him. (sometimes it's so obviously it's a double that i don't even have a doubt like O2 guy or the guy with the lollipop in the red jacket..)
Just check this. First pic the O2 guy. Second pic was taken on the very next day. Does anybody think that these two are the same person? People don't change daily that much...
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearan ... ss/360.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearances/o2press/360.jpg)
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/ ... er/048.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/london2009/oliver/048.jpg)
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ToM, u still didnt answer my quetion...
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Well to the people who watched LEave me alone, And thought that they saw MJ, wel think again
Here's a photo of Michael working with one of his doubles for "Leave Me Alone". It's for the scene that starts at about 3:54 where Michael is on a rocket and again at the end.
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/bad/shortfilms/lma/028.jpg)
He is THE DIRECTOR, and not THE ACTOR!!!!!
It looks photoshopped, I know his hand fit to the wood, but I think it hurts sitting like he does there.
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We are NOT bashing Michael!!!!! We are examining possibilities.
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"Leave Me Alone" is a single by American songwriter and recording artist Michael Jackson. The song was featured on Jackson's seventh studio album, Bad in 1987
Well, Maybe a 1987 version of photoshop!!
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Critisising his dancing and singing during rehearsals IS an attack, it's just bashing! You people have no proof whatsoever that it is a double, you just THINK it is a double whilst others say you are wrong. In the meantime, you just continue to insult him!
This has NOTHING to do with investigating or hoax. Even if assuming he used a double at one point in time, it does proof NOTHING at all that it is a hoax. It does NOT proof that on 25th June it was a double and not Michael.
Thank you Raven! ;)
Most of the posts here are really insulting to Michael. People don't realise that it might be Michael in TII (I personally don't believe there were any doubles), so it's just very wrong to make fun off his appearance and calling his cleft 'an ass'.
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We are NOT bashing Michael!!!!! We are examining possibilities.
You're bashing him.. Just look at the comments.
"Definitely not Michael." "He can't dance.."
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We are NOT bashing Michael!!!!! We are examining possibilities.
You're bashing him.. Just look at the comments.
"Definitely not Michael." "He can't dance.."
maybe ur age explains the way u talk! U talk like u know MJ, is it ur uncle? is it ur father? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! u never met him
IT IS BASHING WHEN U CALL A DOUBLE THE REAL MJ!!!! did u ever think that way?????
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"Leave Me Alone" is a single by American songwriter and recording artist Michael Jackson. The song was featured on Jackson's seventh studio album, Bad in 1987
Well, Maybe a 1987 version of photoshop!!
To me it looks like a paint of him to the right indeed. Just look.
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We are NOT bashing Michael!!!!! We are examining possibilities.
You're bashing him.. Just look at the comments.
"Definitely not Michael." "He can't dance.."
He can't dance because it's NOT Mike...
Sorry, did you misunderstand something?
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We are NOT bashing Michael!!!!! We are examining possibilities.
You're bashing him.. Just look at the comments.
"Definitely not Michael." "He can't dance.."
maybe ur age explains the way u talk! U talk like u know MJ, is it ur uncle? is it ur father? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! u never met him
IT IS BASHING WHEN U CALL A DOUBLE THE REAL MJ!!!! did u ever think that way?????
You should not judge before you got the proof. Until it's proven, that it was doubles, then why call Michael different things?...
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We are NOT bashing Michael!!!!! We are examining possibilities.
You're bashing him.. Just look at the comments.
"Definitely not Michael." "He can't dance.."
maybe ur age explains the way u talk! U talk like u know MJ, is it ur uncle? is it ur father? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! u never met him
IT IS BASHING WHEN U CALL A DOUBLE THE REAL MJ!!!! did u ever think that way?????
You should not judge before you got the proof. Until it's proven, that it was doubles, then why call Michael different things?...
Well We have HIS DAD IN OUR SIDE, what you got?
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We are NOT bashing Michael!!!!! We are examining possibilities.
You're bashing him.. Just look at the comments.
"Definitely not Michael." "He can't dance.."
He can't dance because it's NOT Mike...
Sorry, did you misunderstand something?
I don't think you've understood that it is 8 years since he danced last time.. A man at 50 is not capable to dance like he did for 8 years, 20 years back.. You have to get real... Seriously.
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We are NOT bashing Michael!!!!! We are examining possibilities.
You're bashing him.. Just look at the comments.
"Definitely not Michael." "He can't dance.."
maybe ur age explains the way u talk! U talk like u know MJ, is it ur uncle? is it ur father? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! u never met him
IT IS BASHING WHEN U CALL A DOUBLE THE REAL MJ!!!! did u ever think that way?????
You should not judge before you got the proof. Until it's proven, that it was doubles, then why call Michael different things?...
Well We have HIS DAD IN OUR SIDE, what you got?
His dad also said his son has passed, so?.. What is your point?
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We are NOT bashing Michael!!!!! We are examining possibilities.
You're bashing him.. Just look at the comments.
"Definitely not Michael." "He can't dance.."
maybe ur age explains the way u talk! U talk like u know MJ, is it ur uncle? is it ur father? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! u never met him
IT IS BASHING WHEN U CALL A DOUBLE THE REAL MJ!!!! did u ever think that way?????
I have read the comments thanks. Now if this thread upsets you then perhaps you should go and find another thread and leave us to examine the possibilities. So sick of people who don't offer their own opinions and reasons but instead jump on everyone else who does.
Edit due to me quoting users name that I was NOT responding to. My bad.
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We are NOT bashing Michael!!!!! We are examining possibilities.
You're bashing him.. Just look at the comments.
"Definitely not Michael." "He can't dance.."
maybe ur age explains the way u talk! U talk like u know MJ, is it ur uncle? is it ur father? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! u never met him
IT IS BASHING WHEN U CALL A DOUBLE THE REAL MJ!!!! did u ever think that way?????
I have read the comments thanks. Now if this thread upsets you then perhaps you should go and find another thread and leave us to examine the possibilities. So sick of people who don't offer their own opinions and reasons but instead jump on everyone else who does.
ok ok, I am done, I am not saying anything! but can I still read this thread?? plz!????
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We are NOT bashing Michael!!!!! We are examining possibilities.
You're bashing him.. Just look at the comments.
"Definitely not Michael." "He can't dance.."
He can't dance because it's NOT Mike...
Sorry, did you misunderstand something?
Do you have rock solid proof it's isn't Michael?
Unless you have that, you can't assume what appears to be Michael doesn't know how to dance.
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We are NOT bashing Michael!!!!! We are examining possibilities.
You're bashing him.. Just look at the comments.
"Definitely not Michael." "He can't dance.."
maybe ur age explains the way u talk! U talk like u know MJ, is it ur uncle? is it ur father? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! u never met him
IT IS BASHING WHEN U CALL A DOUBLE THE REAL MJ!!!! did u ever think that way?????
I have read the comments thanks. Now if this thread upsets you then perhaps you should go and find another thread and leave us to examine the possibilities. So sick of people who don't offer their own opinions and reasons but instead jump on everyone else who does.
ok ok, I am done, I am not seeing anything! but can I still read this thread?? plz!????
What do you mean?
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We are NOT bashing Michael!!!!! We are examining possibilities.
You're bashing him.. Just look at the comments.
"Definitely not Michael." "He can't dance.."
maybe ur age explains the way u talk! U talk like u know MJ, is it ur uncle? is it ur father? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! u never met him
IT IS BASHING WHEN U CALL A DOUBLE THE REAL MJ!!!! did u ever think that way?????
I have read the comments thanks. Now if this thread upsets you then perhaps you should go and find another thread and leave us to examine the possibilities. So sick of people who don't offer their own opinions and reasons but instead jump on everyone else who does.
ok ok, I am done, I am not seeing anything! but can I still read this thread?? plz!????
My response was aimed at iMJacksonfaN, my apologies, I since edited my post.
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We are NOT bashing Michael!!!!! We are examining possibilities.
You're bashing him.. Just look at the comments.
"Definitely not Michael." "He can't dance.."
He can't dance because it's NOT Mike...
Sorry, did you misunderstand something?
I don't think you've understood that it is 8 years since he danced last time.. A man at 50 is not capable to dance like he did for 8 years, 20 years back.. You have to get real... Seriously.
How old are you again? I know many people in their 50's and they can dance their asses off. Mike has danced his whole life, it's not that he can't moonwalk anymore at 50, you are not near to death when you're 50, YOU get real!
I have made my point, go back to sleep ToM.
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This argument about him being 50 and thats why he cant dance as a excuse is downright dumb in my eyes and ill tell you why.
Your saying hes 50 and old and he cant dance well.
OK , why did you come to that conclusion.
i hope not from a rehearsal movie where he stated hes not giving it his all.
So if we are to believe that he was rehearsing for a 10 to 50 concert promotion, WHat did you expect him to dance like during the concerts, do you think he would dance bad during them.
If he couldn't do the mooonwalk or his moves well do you think he would have agreed to do concerts.
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This argument about him being 50 and thats why he cant dance as a excuse is downright dumb in my eyes and ill tell you why.
Your saying hes 50 and old and he cant dance well.
OK , why did you come to that conclusion.
i hope not from a rehearsal movie where he stated hes not giving it his all.
So if we are to believe that he was rehearsing for a 10 to 50 concert promotion, WHat did you expect him to dance like during the concerts, do you think he would dance bad during them.
If he couldn't do the mooonwalk or his moves well do you think he would have agreed to do concerts.
Exactly. And it's just too funny that people say he's 50 he's not like before, he can't dance like before, WTF they talk about his age like he's nearly 90...Its Michael Jackson not your 50yrs old fat neigbour sitting in the armchair drinking beer and watching TV all day long... :roll:
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This argument about him being 50 and thats why he cant dance as a excuse is downright dumb in my eyes and ill tell you why.
Your saying hes 50 and old and he cant dance well.
OK , why did you come to that conclusion.
i hope not from a rehearsal movie where he stated hes not giving it his all.
So if we are to believe that he was rehearsing for a 10 to 50 concert promotion, WHat did you expect him to dance like during the concerts, do you think he would dance bad during them.
If he couldn't do the mooonwalk or his moves well do you think he would have agreed to do concerts.
Exactly. And it's just too funny that people say he's 50 he's not like before, he can't dance like before, WTF they talk about his age like he's nearly 90...Its Michael Jackson not your 50yrs old fat neigbour sitting in the armchair drinking beer and watching TV all day long... :roll:
Hey, not all of us 50 somethings sit around all day and watch TV - I've been dancing for over 30 years and still do.
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WASNT MADONNA, A GIRL, DOING CONCERTS AT 50, AND I THINK SHE EVEN ACTUALLY MOVED ON STAGE.
she actually danced her ass off and was in great shape. and at 50.
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Like I said:'' He is not the ACTOR, he is the DIRECTOR!!
(http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/480/36/michael-jackson-r2camera.0.0.0x0.600x399.jpeg)
(http://www.aaramnews.com/CameraWorld_images/Camera_7142009_14107_PM.jpg)
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/06/504x_-2.jpg)
(http://imagebank.ipcmedia.com/imageBank/j/jackson12.jpg)
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/bad/shortfilms/lma/028.jpg)
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Like I said:'' He is not the ACTOR, he is the DIRECTOR!!
:o That means a lot of people working on the rehearsels must know it wasn't Michael performing .... :?
Lot of people have to keep secrets then :roll:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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Like I said:'' He is not the ACTOR, he is the DIRECTOR!!
:o That means a lot of people working on the rehearsels must know it wasn't Michael performing .... :?
Lot of people have to keep secrets then :roll:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
There is a PIC from TII, u see Michael standing and watching the people on stage! and on stage u see the dancers with MJ himself!
can someone find me that picture, I cant find him anymore!
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This argument about him being 50 and thats why he cant dance as a excuse is downright dumb in my eyes and ill tell you why.
Your saying hes 50 and old and he cant dance well.
OK , why did you come to that conclusion.
i hope not from a rehearsal movie where he stated hes not giving it his all.
So if we are to believe that he was rehearsing for a 10 to 50 concert promotion, WHat did you expect him to dance like during the concerts, do you think he would dance bad during them.
If he couldn't do the mooonwalk or his moves well do you think he would have agreed to do concerts.
Exactly. And it's just too funny that people say he's 50 he's not like before, he can't dance like before, WTF they talk about his age like he's nearly 90...Its Michael Jackson not your 50yrs old fat neigbour sitting in the armchair drinking beer and watching TV all day long... :roll:
Hey, not all of us 50 somethings sit around all day and watch TV - I've been dancing for over 30 years and still do.
I'm not saying ALL of the 50s do that... pls... u misunderstood.
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Like I said:'' He is not the ACTOR, he is the DIRECTOR!!
:o That means a lot of people working on the rehearsels must know it wasn't Michael performing .... :?
Lot of people have to keep secrets then :roll:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
There is a PIC from TII, u see Michael standing and watching the people on stage! and on stage u see the dancers with MJ himself!
can someone find me that picture, I cant find him anymore!
I remember the pic you are talking about. You could see 'MJ' on the stage with the dancers but you could also see silhouette of MJ watching the stage. Is it that one?
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Michael did MAYBE use doubles, but these pictures I've seen to now is Michael.
Well, some pictures of Michael with camera doesn't make him the director. There are more photos of him ON stage.
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Like I said:'' He is not the ACTOR, he is the DIRECTOR!!
:o That means a lot of people working on the rehearsels must know it wasn't Michael performing .... :?
Lot of people have to keep secrets then :roll:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
There is a PIC from TII, u see Michael standing and watching the people on stage! and on stage u see the dancers with MJ himself!
can someone find me that picture, I cant find him anymore!
I remember the pic you are talking about. You could see 'MJ' on the stage with the dancers but you could also see silhouette of MJ watching the stage. Is it that one?
YA, thats the one!
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if there are so many identical mike's walking the planet, and all as thin as him, why after a decent period has passed not do the shows with the doubles
but saying it is with the doubles -the show in its self looks good
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Is this the pic?[attachment=0:29s9jf7i]MJ at rehearsal.jpg[/attachment:29s9jf7i]
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I don't think you've understood that it is 8 years since he danced last time.. A man at 50 is not capable to dance like he did for 8 years, 20 years back.. You have to get real... Seriously.
Oh Tom...you probably never saw Billy Idol perform, running around the stage like a 20 year old while being in his 50's? Also, you clearly haven't watched Tina Turner perform during her last tour, and she was in her late 60's. Sorry, but your statement doesn't make any sense at all!
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Is this the pic?[attachment=0:3udonoi7]MJ at rehearsal.jpg[/attachment:3udonoi7]
No it was one taken quite a way away from the stage and you could see 'MJ' on stage with the dancers and also a silhouette of MJ (from behind) watching the stage. I'm trying to find it but not having any luck. I can't remember which thread it was in.
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I don't think you've understood that it is 8 years since he danced last time.. A man at 50 is not capable to dance like he did for 8 years, 20 years back.. You have to get real... Seriously.
Oh Tom...you probably never saw Billy Idol perform, running around the stage like a 20 year old while being in his 50's? Also, you clearly haven't watched Tina Turner perform during her last tour, and she was in her late 60's. Sorry, but your statement doesn't make any sense at all!
Yes ToM, I happened to see Tina perform in April 2009 in Arnhem, and she ROCKED, she kicked ass on stage on 4-5 inch heels...
Mike didn't suddenly lose the ability to dance, come on!
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This argument about him being 50 and thats why he cant dance as a excuse is downright dumb in my eyes and ill tell you why.
Your saying hes 50 and old and he cant dance well.
OK , why did you come to that conclusion.
i hope not from a rehearsal movie where he stated hes not giving it his all.
So if we are to believe that he was rehearsing for a 10 to 50 concert promotion, WHat did you expect him to dance like during the concerts, do you think he would dance bad during them.
If he couldn't do the mooonwalk or his moves well do you think he would have agreed to do concerts.
Exactly. And it's just too funny that people say he's 50 he's not like before, he can't dance like before, WTF they talk about his age like he's nearly 90...Its Michael Jackson not your 50yrs old fat neigbour sitting in the armchair drinking beer and watching TV all day long... :roll:
Hey, not all of us 50 somethings sit around all day and watch TV - I've been dancing for over 30 years and still do.
What i'm saying is that being 50 yrs old doesn't mean you can't even move anymore or dance like before, I'm saying that being 50 doesn't the same like being 90, cause some of the people r saying he is too old (WTF?) to perform like before that's why he has different moves in the TII. :roll:
I'm sure u don't forget the dance moves just because u r not 18 anymore. 8-)
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[quote = "badkolo"] [color = # 800000] Ont maintenant un coup d'oeil aux Pics.
Et S'il Vous Plait me dire Qui est l'OMS, Qui est Celle de Michael Qui N'EST PAS Et qui le F est qui.
Regardez Le Nez, TIP:: Regardez la photo Smooth criminal en noir et blanc et regardez le pont de nez, craquait fils, Dans regardent les yeux et le menton. Et dites-moi woho Le F est-ce???, Regardez Le nez au pic A partir de ce Qu'elle Est et le regarder DANS LES yeux Et le menton, Puis please digg profonde et dites-moi Qui le F est-ce???
Alors si votre cerveau est encore sur la tête, jetez un oeil à Mike cool de la scène sur fond vert et Menton fils de regarder et de la mâchoire et le nez et la peau, et dites-moi cela.
WHO THE F IS THAT????
Oh, et si par ailleurs ne pas vous Voyez la différence, alors oui your crazy, I said it, there you go. LOOK AT Le nez et le menton et de lièvre, LOOK AT THE BLACK AND WHITE PHOTO DE Smooth criminal <LOOK AT THE NOSE <SON PAS LA MEME PERSONNE <et Tous Ces éléments sont dé là il est <COMMENTAIRE EST POSSIBLE QUE <Qui sont LES F NOUS RECHERCHONS AT. Gravement <SOMEONE TELL ME WHO????
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with regard to the two pics of mj at dress - smooth criminal - does anyone know about time lag - did time pass - he seemed not to eat - this would have an effect on his appearence
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Hello!
On one hand..I'm glad you created that thread..
on the other hand..it confuses me even more...
my personal impression:
in aug./sept. 09 I saw some youtube vids...short TII-teasers
for example "penguin move" ..think you all can remember...
I was very convinced that there are some doubles in TII
then in Oct. I went to the movies and watched TII on a really LARGE screen....
after the movie I was convinced..there was NO double in the whole movie (only the short scene with o2 guy
and the stunt in smooth criminal)...
I was even convinced that orange-pants guy has to be MJ.
This thursday I bought finally the TII-DVD (a real bargain...8 € :) )
I didn't watch the whole movie..just zapped my personal highlights....
I was shocked and confused in the same way....
more doubles than real MJ....
the only question I still have..
we have doubles indeed.
But what happened last summer?
did someone die?
did a double die?
What will happen the next months?
I want some progress...the last weeks were sooo slow....and my patience is shrinking day by day
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just a quetstion to those who think he DID NOT use double(s)
IS this Michael jackson??? From 3:54
[youtube:3ju2x71r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dBE_IRySKM[/youtube:3ju2x71r]
Too bad, ain't working.. What do you think? Are you braindead? :?
Stop making comments like that or I have to ban you from the forum. Respect other's opinion and don't ridicule him. This is a discussion and you have to argument your comments, not just bash people.
I have a new picture for you:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/003.jpg)
first 2 clearly Mike, last one? I don't think so...
why not, i read that days would pass and he would not eat it is conceivable that without the muscles and fat on his face that he could look like the third pic
he would from what i have read be going to continuous meetings, be woken by the travis guy and had a family to care for - i think he had a lot on his plate and without food and when for the last 3 years he was so thin already he could look like this
but i would accept that stunt doubles were used - the credits state this
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Hello!
On one hand..I'm glad you created that thread..
on the other hand..it confuses me even more...
my personal impression:
in aug./sept. 09 I saw some youtube vids...short TII-teasers
for example "penguin move" ..think you all can remember...
I was very convinced that there are some doubles in TII
then in Oct. I went to the movies and watched TII on a really LARGE screen....
after the movie I was convinced..there was NO double in the whole movie (only the short scene with o2 guy
and the stunt in smooth criminal)...
I was even convinced that orange-pants guy has to be MJ.
This thursday I bought finally the TII-DVD (a real bargain...8 € :) )
I didn't watch the whole movie..just zapped my personal highlights....
I was shocked and confused in the same way....
more doubles than real MJ....
the only question I still have..
we have doubles indeed.
But what happened last summer?
did someone die?
did a double die?
What will happen the next months?
I want some progress...the last weeks were sooo slow....and my patience is shrinking day by day
I don't think anybody's died on June 25.
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but didnt someone get chopped up
not every single thing in 8 months is hoaxed
mj would have to be hercules
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Michael did lost alot of weight while he was rehearsing THIS IS IT
check http://www.this-is-not-it.com/for further info
* You do not see where Michael Jackson gradually lost weight during the final weeks of rehearsals and weighed finally 49 kg on the day he died.
* You will not see Kenny Ortega, director of both the tour and the film, helping Michael Jackson up the stairs, cutting up his food and spoon feed him.
* You will not see Michael Jackson's growing concern. In May, when he trained more than 10 hours per day, said Michael Jackson for some fans that he did not feel ready to do 50 performances. When he said the contract was only 10 performances scheduled. He felt tremendous pressure as tour plan was too heavy and that there was not enough rest in between concerts.
* You will not see Michael Jackson set the rehearsals because he did not feel well or see Travis Payne, his choreographer, when he picked up Michael from his home in order to force him to work.
* Michael Jackson's ever-growing insomnia and anorexia, the paralyzing pressure he was under, which prompted him to become over medicated with heavy drugs by criminal doctor who kept him in a changed, drowsy state all day and in the anesthetic coma in the night.
* You will not get to see Michael Jackson stop eating because of the ever-growing pressure, but also that he could not sleep. When rehearsals began, he needed prescription drugs to sleep. Dr. Conrad Murray took care of it. Side effects of these dangerous drugs lasted all day and during the rehearsals became Michael changed. His drowsy state was obvious to anyone who came near him. He forgot the lyrics and the songs are not trained thoroughly. Yet did his surroundings quiet and continued to provide him with prescription drugs to keep him relaxed, rested and in "control". Just these drugs out as cause of death in the coroner's report.
* You will not see Michael Jackson's loyal fans and a couple of his friends who tried to intervene, said appeal letter to the people around him to take care of his health. And finally, after being ignored, overwhelmed Michael himself with letters of concern and phone calls. Unfortunately, the acting is not those who were in power, but instead they chose to keep Michael Jackson isolated and controlled.
You will not see any of this tonight
It was inhuman. Michael needed help, but AEG and was too busy to enjoy the benefits that this tour would give them. AEG, the tour pro and Michael's own entourage continued to press and did not intervene to stop the situation that everyone knew would be a tragic outcome.
25 June 2009, lost the world's biggest star. Michael's fans crying still, and their broken hearts will never heal.
Michael Jackson had so much more to give to the world, but his heart stopped because of the incredible pressure that was forced on him. Not only from the demanding tour, but also from years of abuse and lies of the media and the outside world.
Michael Jackson deserved and needed the help he does not. Instead, through editing and movie making, they try to tell a different story in an attempt to clear his own conscience, while spreading lies to conceal their responsibility. It is tragic that we were there to witness what really happened in the weeks leading to his death and we are here now to tell about it.
If you choose to watch the movie, we hope that you also think about the greed behind the production. For viewing a product of the people instead of standing up for his guilt in the death of the world's greatest entertainer Michael Jackson, has already begun to reap the benefits of his death.
The industry wanted to have Michael Jackson on stage LIVE! The fans wanted him alive, ALIVE!
This need not be the end.
This is not it ...
makeup can make your face completely different
look here a photoshot mike did for a magazine
(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9100/mikemakeupmagazine.jpg)
(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/74/mikemagazine.jpg)
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if mike could not chop up and eat his own food he was not fit enough to work- period
didnt frank say he had a meeting about mikes weight but after discussing it thought mike was okay
if you have to have a meeting - somethings wrong - they just went with the golden coin instead of the golden one
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Like I said:'' He is not the ACTOR, he is the DIRECTOR!!
:o That means a lot of people working on the rehearsels must know it wasn't Michael performing .... :?
Lot of people have to keep secrets then :roll:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
There is a PIC from TII, u see Michael standing and watching the people on stage! and on stage u see the dancers with MJ himself!
can someone find me that picture, I cant find him anymore!
I think I saw that pic myself somewhere, but that could be a stuntman too.
Most interesting question for me is: HOW can you be sure all those people involved with the show can keep such a secret so long??? (dinnertime in Holland now .. :P )
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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actors and artists have body doubles and stunt doubles all the time, but is this evidence of the hoax?
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Michael did lost alot of weight while he was rehearsing THIS IS IT
check http://www.this-is-not-it.com/for further info
* You do not see where Michael Jackson gradually lost weight during the final weeks of rehearsals and weighed finally 49 kg on the day he died.
* You will not see Kenny Ortega, director of both the tour and the film, helping Michael Jackson up the stairs, cutting up his food and spoon feed him.
* You will not see Michael Jackson's growing concern. In May, when he trained more than 10 hours per day, said Michael Jackson for some fans that he did not feel ready to do 50 performances. When he said the contract was only 10 performances scheduled. He felt tremendous pressure as tour plan was too heavy and that there was not enough rest in between concerts.
* You will not see Michael Jackson set the rehearsals because he did not feel well or see Travis Payne, his choreographer, when he picked up Michael from his home in order to force him to work.
* Michael Jackson's ever-growing insomnia and anorexia, the paralyzing pressure he was under, which prompted him to become over medicated with heavy drugs by criminal doctor who kept him in a changed, drowsy state all day and in the anesthetic coma in the night.
* You will not get to see Michael Jackson stop eating because of the ever-growing pressure, but also that he could not sleep. When rehearsals began, he needed prescription drugs to sleep. Dr. Conrad Murray took care of it. Side effects of these dangerous drugs lasted all day and during the rehearsals became Michael changed. His drowsy state was obvious to anyone who came near him. He forgot the lyrics and the songs are not trained thoroughly. Yet did his surroundings quiet and continued to provide him with prescription drugs to keep him relaxed, rested and in "control". Just these drugs out as cause of death in the coroner's report.
* You will not see Michael Jackson's loyal fans and a couple of his friends who tried to intervene, said appeal letter to the people around him to take care of his health. And finally, after being ignored, overwhelmed Michael himself with letters of concern and phone calls. Unfortunately, the acting is not those who were in power, but instead they chose to keep Michael Jackson isolated and controlled.
You will not see any of this tonight
It was inhuman. Michael needed help, but AEG and was too busy to enjoy the benefits that this tour would give them. AEG, the tour pro and Michael's own entourage continued to press and did not intervene to stop the situation that everyone knew would be a tragic outcome.
25 June 2009, lost the world's biggest star. Michael's fans crying still, and their broken hearts will never heal.
Michael Jackson had so much more to give to the world, but his heart stopped because of the incredible pressure that was forced on him. Not only from the demanding tour, but also from years of abuse and lies of the media and the outside world.
Michael Jackson deserved and needed the help he does not. Instead, through editing and movie making, they try to tell a different story in an attempt to clear his own conscience, while spreading lies to conceal their responsibility. It is tragic that we were there to witness what really happened in the weeks leading to his death and we are here now to tell about it.
If you choose to watch the movie, we hope that you also think about the greed behind the production. For viewing a product of the people instead of standing up for his guilt in the death of the world's greatest entertainer Michael Jackson, has already begun to reap the benefits of his death.
The industry wanted to have Michael Jackson on stage LIVE! The fans wanted him alive, ALIVE!
This need not be the end.
This is not it ...
makeup can make your face completely different
look here a photoshot mike did for a magazine
(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9100/mikemakeupmagazine.jpg)
(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/74/mikemagazine.jpg)
Thats not the make-up that's the PhotoShop...But still that's obviously Mike's face.
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Another one:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
Now tell me, do you really thing the 2005 Mike looks way different than the 1989 Mike?
Because IMHO that's the exact same guy. They all 3 have the same kind of expression on their face, yet the 2009 Mike looks WAY different. So that means he didn't change between 1989 and 2005, yet in the last 4 years he transformed into a completely different person? Who said the eyes looked like his? Come on, look at the eyes, they don't match AT ALL!
First 2 pictures: Mike, TII picture: double...
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absolutely agree Souza....
the right one has -in my language you would say "frog eyes"-
I have to admit that I thought in July and when they were advertising TII I thought this person is the real MJ
but only because of the curly hair....
I was never a diehard fan..so maybe I can't form an opinion...
MJ always had special big eyes...but not like this..and I can't imagine he had some surgery concerning his eyes..
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Well to the people who watched LEave me alone, And thought that they saw MJ, wel think again
Here's a photo of Michael working with one of his doubles for "Leave Me Alone". It's for the scene that starts at about 3:54 where Michael is on a rocket and again at the end.
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/bad/shortfilms/lma/028.jpg)
He is THE DIRECTOR, and not THE ACTOR!!!!!
It looks photoshopped, I know his hand fit to the wood, but I think it hurts sitting like he does there.
In videos you need doubles..but not 10 like some claim...yes in Smooth Criminal TII it was a double but not on stage Even in In The Closed he had a double :
(http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/3929/90512380.jpg)
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Another one:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
Now tell me, do you really thing the 2005 Mike looks way different than the 1989 Mike?
Because IMHO that's the exact same guy. They all 3 have the same kind of expression on their face, yet the 2009 Mike looks WAY different. So that means he didn't change between 1989 and 2005, yet in the last 4 years he transformed into a completely different person? Who said the eyes looked like his? Come on, look at the eyes, they don't match AT ALL!
First 2 pictures: Mike, TII picture: double...
i think that when you get older that in a few years you can change dramatically,
his health was not the best over the years, he was on meds - all the time, he did not eat - drinking juice in the morning - maybe for the entire day, he was under weight for years, and he commented on his aches and pains, that can take a toll, as well as the pressure of the show, the pressure of making money to fix his cash flow, he had 3 kids to provide for and no fairy godmother with loads of cash in sight. in addition he had countless civil court actions against him, he was the main breadwinner for all of his wider family, he had problems with his staff, no fixed home, not supported by sony and not supported by his celebrity friends
i think that's really enough to make you look different and strained and thin
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you know mj's mug shot did not look like mj and it was - so??
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Another one:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
Now tell me, do you really thing the 2005 Mike looks way different than the 1989 Mike?
Because IMHO that's the exact same guy. They all 3 have the same kind of expression on their face, yet the 2009 Mike looks WAY different. So that means he didn't change between 1989 and 2005, yet in the last 4 years he transformed into a completely different person? Who said the eyes looked like his? Come on, look at the eyes, they don't match AT ALL!
First 2 pictures: Mike, TII picture: double...
i think that when you get older that in a few years you can change dramatically,
his health was not the best over the years, he was on meds - all the time, he did not eat - drinking juice in the morning - maybe for the entire day, he was under weight for years, and he commented on his aches and pains, that can take a toll, as well as the pressure of the show, the pressure of making money to fix his cash flow, he had 3 kids to provide for and no fairy godmother with loads of cash in sight. in addition he had countless civil court actions against him, he was the main breadwinner for all of his wider family, he had problems with his staff, no fixed home, not supported by sony and not supported by his celebrity friends
i think that's really enough to make you look different and strained and thin
Oh, but it's a miracle! Look at this comparisation... Third one also from 2009 (March) and although he's a bit skinny in the face, he matches the other 2 very well...
So that means he must have changed his whole face in just 3 months! :o
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
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Another one:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
Now tell me, do you really thing the 2005 Mike looks way different than the 1989 Mike?
Because IMHO that's the exact same guy. They all 3 have the same kind of expression on their face, yet the 2009 Mike looks WAY different. So that means he didn't change between 1989 and 2005, yet in the last 4 years he transformed into a completely different person? Who said the eyes looked like his? Come on, look at the eyes, they don't match AT ALL!
First 2 pictures: Mike, TII picture: double...
i think that when you get older that in a few years you can change dramatically,
his health was not the best over the years, he was on meds - all the time, he did not eat - drinking juice in the morning - maybe for the entire day, he was under weight for years, and he commented on his aches and pains, that can take a toll, as well as the pressure of the show, the pressure of making money to fix his cash flow, he had 3 kids to provide for and no fairy godmother with loads of cash in sight. in addition he had countless civil court actions against him, he was the main breadwinner for all of his wider family, he had problems with his staff, no fixed home, not supported by sony and not supported by his celebrity friends
i think that's really enough to make you look different and strained and thin
Oh, but it's a miracle! Look at this comparisation... Third one also from 2009 (March) and although he's a bit skinny in the face, he matches the other 2 very well...
So that means he must have changed his whole face in just 3 months! :o
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
Thats crazy :o , the 3rd one on this pic (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg) is a DOUBLE 100%
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Another one:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
Now tell me, do you really thing the 2005 Mike looks way different than the 1989 Mike?
Because IMHO that's the exact same guy. They all 3 have the same kind of expression on their face, yet the 2009 Mike looks WAY different. So that means he didn't change between 1989 and 2005, yet in the last 4 years he transformed into a completely different person? Who said the eyes looked like his? Come on, look at the eyes, they don't match AT ALL!
First 2 pictures: Mike, TII picture: double...
i think that when you get older that in a few years you can change dramatically,
his health was not the best over the years, he was on meds - all the time, he did not eat - drinking juice in the morning - maybe for the entire day, he was under weight for years, and he commented on his aches and pains, that can take a toll, as well as the pressure of the show, the pressure of making money to fix his cash flow, he had 3 kids to provide for and no fairy godmother with loads of cash in sight. in addition he had countless civil court actions against him, he was the main breadwinner for all of his wider family, he had problems with his staff, no fixed home, not supported by sony and not supported by his celebrity friends
i think that's really enough to make you look different and strained and thin
Oh, but it's a miracle! Look at this comparisation... Third one also from 2009 (March) and although he's a bit skinny in the face, he matches the other 2 very well...
So that means he must have changed his whole face in just 3 months! :o
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
Urghh i wish i was Draghicescu's mother..
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well i dont know - there are supposed to be miracles every day
but Dr klein said that he did a lot of work on his face - and referred to the TII footage
i am not saying that there were no doubles or stunt men, i just dont think that you can have such a close match - full on in the face
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didnt mike say he was the something of miracles?/
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Souza & MO, sorry if I am stick to this! but u wrote some very good stuff about MJ maybe a TWIN!! why did u stopped writing about that subject.. it made sense, specially now?!
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well i dont know - there are supposed to be miracles every day
"The speed of the human mind is remarkable. So is its inability to face the obvious."
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well i dont know - there are supposed to be miracles every day
"The speed of the human mind is remarkable. So is its inability to face the obvious."
i am not always right i would be the first to admit that, but you are also human and you have to admit that you may not be right as well - you cant say that every word you write is correct and every word anyone else says if not exactly how you see it is wrong.
come on i credit you with more than that
everything is up for debate and to be mooted surely
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MJ looks different in loads of pics, depending on the airbrushing, lighting, make-up, etc. However, I do believe there was at least one double in TII, not counting the stunt double.
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Just wanted to say that I'm 50 and I too can still dance my ass off. In fact I don't feel too much different than I did in my thirties. And no one here is being disrespectful to MJ. This is a hoax investigation site after all. It comes with the territory.
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Posting the 1989-2005-2009 (1) and 1989-2005-2009 (2) again:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
Please someone explain to me how he looked the same during the past 20 years but looked way different in TII...
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well i dont know - there are supposed to be miracles every day
"The speed of the human mind is remarkable. So is its inability to face the obvious."
i am not always right i would be the first to admit that, but you are also human and you have to admit that you may not be right as well - you cant say that every word you write is correct and every word anyone else says if not exactly how you see it is wrong.
come on i credit you with more than that
everything is up for debate and to be mooted surely
I never said that every word I write is correct and every word anyone else says if not exactly how I see it is wrong. Never ever, period.
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Please someone explain to me how he looked the same during the past 20 years but looked way different in TII...
Yes, and please explain how he could have looked different from scene to scene, without saying make-up, angles and lighting are to blame for that.
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but maybe they are to blame in part for the difference, can you provide a sequence of shots that for the same day or same hour or what ever so that we can discuss it?
thank you
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Look, we will never reach a consensus if we keep arguing like this......
We have all seen Micahel Jackson doubles and none of them look like the real man......I mean, when you see a MJ double you can tell the difference......
Now, as far as the TII questoin is concerned, Mike DID have worl done on his face since 2005.....His fetish for plastic surgery is well known.....I can see from the TII pics that he had work done on his lips...because of which they appear thicker and plumpier than say, 2001 or 2005 or 2008.
I can say this becasue michael jackson IS known for is trademark smile that used to exose all his teeth...but in recent years, due to the work on his lips, his teeth dont show properly because of the thickenned lips.....you can see this in recent photos....That could make a difference.....I mean, compare the 1995 smile and 2009 smile....you can see the difference....
As for the cleft, I am still on the fence with thaat , I cant make up my mind.
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but maybe they are to blame in part for the difference, can you provide a sequence of shots that for the same day or same hour or what ever so that we can discuss it?
thank you
I think this already says it all:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
Can anyone explain?
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Look, we will never reach a consensus if we keep arguing like this......
We have all seen Micahel Jackson doubles and none of them look like the real man......I mean, when you see a MJ double you can tell the difference......
Now, as far as the TII questoin is concerned, Mike DID have worl done on his face since 2005.....His fetish for plastic surgery is well known.....I can see from the TII pics that he had work done on his lips...because of which they appear thicker and plumpier than say, 2001 or 2005 or 2008.
I can say this becasue michael jackson IS known for is trademark smile that used to exose all his teeth...but in recent years, due to the work on his lips, his teeth dont show properly because of the thickenned lips.....you can see this in recent photos....That could make a difference.....I mean, compare the 1995 smile and 2009 smile....you can see the difference....
As for the cleft, I am still on the fence with thaat , I cant make up my mind.
That doesn't explain why he looks the same over 20 years:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
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He looked completely different at the 02 and then again in TII - without a complete face transplant, the only logical explanation I can see is one or other of them (or both) must be a double. I mean at least one double in TII not every single scene.
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i dont understand your post souza
and i do agree with dr death - this is a moot point - no need to get upset
look mike mug shot does not look like any photo but it is still him
again i agree that he used stunt guys, and possibly doubles
i would like someone to point a double out who says he was on TII? there not going to speak out
that does not prove anything
i am in part agreeing with you, but i think in the photos you have produced it is mike
we are having a discussion - okay no harm
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He looked completely different at the 02 and then again in TT - without a complete face transplant, the only logical explanation I can see is one or other of them (or both) must be a double. I mean at least one double in TII not every single scene.
what do you think of the japan trip he last went on - it looks like the TII guy - have a look -
this is such an interesting thread - well all the threads on this are interesting
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i dont understand your post souza
and i do agree with dr death - this is a moot point - no need to get upset
look mike mug shot does not look like any photo but it is still him
again i agree that he used stunt guys, and possibly doubles
i would like someone to point a double out who says he was on TII? there not going to speak out
that does not prove anything
i am in part agreeing with you, but i think in the photos you have produced it is mike
we are having a discussion - okay no harm
Who told you I was upset? I am not upset at all, I am just asking how he could look the same in the last 20 years and then change dramatically in 3 months. And nobody seems to have an answer to that.
In the mugshot his eyebrows are way up there, if I do that, I change as well, it's a complete different expression, that is why you can't compare them.
The pics I posted all have the same expression, still one looks like a different guy.
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Please someone explain to me how he looked the same during the past 20 years but looked way different in TII...
Yes, and please explain how he could have looked different from scene to scene, without saying make-up, angles and lighting are to blame for that.
I think you do not want to be explained anything. The last picture of the black and white ones he seems to have had an upper eye lid tuck for starters.
You really have major problems recognizing people from a picture, it is pointless discussing. It is the very same man in all pictures. It is not about a different looking cleft or nose or whatever at some picture, it is the overall image.
I am not argueing he never used doubles, but these ones just aren't. And if he did use a double, SO WHAT???
Thinking one person was a double is not so bad, but believing to see that many doubles or that every body is an actor or that everybody is plotting against is paranoid.
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He looked completely different at the 02 and then again in TT - without a complete face transplant, the only logical explanation I can see is one or other of them (or both) must be a double. I mean at least one double in TII not every single scene.
what do you think of the japan trip he last went on - it looks like the TII guy - have a look -
this is such an interesting thread - well all the threads on this are interesting
Do you have a link to it?
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@ raven i agree with you
and also i do think mike has changed over 25-30 years you can see that clearly
and also you get older your face does not always look that fresh every minute of the day, these are live shots taken as stills, but still under lighting that changes i think the TII footage shows that the lighting varied
anyway i would love to see more pics to discuss - this is fun
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Please someone explain to me how he looked the same during the past 20 years but looked way different in TII...
Yes, and please explain how he could have looked different from scene to scene, without saying make-up, angles and lighting are to blame for that.
I think you do not want to be explained anything. The last picture of the black and white ones he seems to have had an upper eye lid tuck for starters.
You really have major problems recognizing people from a picture, it is pointless discussing. It is the very same man in all pictures. It is not about a different looking cleft or nose or whatever at some picture, it is the overall image.
I am not argueing he never used doubles, but these ones just aren't. And if he did use a double, SO WHAT???
Thinking one person was a double is not so bad, but believing to see that many doubles or that every body is an actor or that everybody is plotting against is paranoid.
Interesting you say that, since we have no problem with the fact he had doubles. What I just can't believe is that people say it's all Mike in TII, since mostly it doesn't even look like him. TII has mostly, or even maybe only doubles. The only footage that could be him IMO is the small low Q footage, but that's impossible to analyze since the quality is crap. This IS important because he hoaxed his death after that, why do we see doubles in the movie? Because we do...
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I'm not bothered about TII having doubles. I would be disappointed if I'd gone to see the shows and there were doubles. However, if they are important to the hoax, then I want to learn more.
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Well to the people who watched LEave me alone, And thought that they saw MJ, wel think again
Here's a photo of Michael working with one of his doubles for "Leave Me Alone". It's for the scene that starts at about 3:54 where Michael is on a rocket and again at the end.
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/bad/shortfilms/lma/028.jpg)
He is THE DIRECTOR, and not THE ACTOR!!!!!
It looks photoshopped, I know his hand fit to the wood, but I think it hurts sitting like he does there.
i have heard it all :lol:
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but you cant say that definitively that the whole of the TII movie were doubles - you cant know that for sure
you cant say mike never showed up and never was in any of the footage
you cant say he was editted out
and only doubles and stunts remain
your just the same as us - you have one view - just like us
and i do agree with some of what you say that there were stunt doubles on site
but you know no more than the rest of us.
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but you cant say that definitively that the whole of the TII movie were doubles - you cant know that for sure
you cant say mike never showed up and never was in any of the footage
you cant say he was editted out
and only doubles and stunts remain
your just the same as us - you have one view - just like us
and i do agree with some of what you say that there were stunt doubles on site
but you know no more than the rest of us.
Who is this post aimed at?
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We are NOT bashing Michael!!!!! We are examining possibilities.
You're bashing him.. Just look at the comments.
"Definitely not Michael." "He can't dance.."
He can't dance because it's NOT Mike...
Sorry, did you misunderstand something?
I don't think you've understood that it is 8 years since he danced last time.. A man at 50 is not capable to dance like he did for 8 years, 20 years back.. You have to get real... Seriously.
you need to get real, dancers NEVER STOP DANCING, yes he may not oof performed in 8years but im sure he still danced at home
and being 50 has nothing to do with it, janet is 43 and still has moves, madonna is 51 and still has moves...
how are you 15 and a pilot???
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at souza i was just responding to her post
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Do you have rock solid proof it's isn't Michael?
Unless you have that, you can't assume what appears to be Michael doesn't know how to dance.
do you have proof it is him? there are mulitple pictures of him with different facials structures and yet the only "reason" for this is lighting :lol:
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but you cant say that definitively that the whole of the TII movie were doubles - you cant know that for sure
you cant say mike never showed up and never was in any of the footage
you cant say he was editted out
and only doubles and stunts remain
your just the same as us - you have one view - just like us
and i do agree with some of what you say that there were stunt doubles on site
but you know no more than the rest of us.
OK, I have never said that I know more than anyone else, I am just asking how on earth he changed that much in just 3 months of time.
I never said I was sure he is not in the movie, I said the low quality footage can be him.
I also never said he didn't show up, I think he was at the other side of the camera.
I think the doubles are in the movie for a reason, not because Mike didn't want to do the shows, because IMHO he is the one who set it all up.
Then there is the movie where there are no cuts in the audio, yet the visuals are cut and we see different outfits all the time. Means that the audio is not live from what we have seen. Why is that?
Maybe because the doubles can't sing?
Don't tell me I claim to know more, I am simply discussing and I am asking how he could have changed that much in 3 months, after just having aged in 20 years before. To that question I still don't have an answer.
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Do you have rock solid proof it's isn't Michael?
Unless you have that, you can't assume what appears to be Michael doesn't know how to dance.
do you have proof it is him? there are mulitple pictures of him with different facials structures and yet the only "reason" for this is lighting :lol:
None of us knows for certain, that is why we are discussing. No-one can have concrete proof unless they were at the filming - all we can do is speculate - and we are never all going to agree.
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New page, but still no answer as to how he transformed that much in 3 months, so I will throw in the pics again:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
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Posting the 1989-2005-2009 (1) and 1989-2005-2009 (2) again:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
Please someone explain to me how he looked the same during the past 20 years but looked way different in TII...
I've just wanted to post this photo about Mike in 2009 March but u've done it before me. ;)
That's him just one day after the O2 press conference. THAT'S MIKE. That photo proves that the O2 guy is no Mike never ever, and also proves that that guy in the TII on the other photo (3rd)was a double. (well most of the guys were)
If anyone still can't see the differences well i really don't have any idea what the heck would help them. :roll:
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. It is not about a different looking cleft or nose or whatever at some picture, it is the overall image.
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so are you saying that as long as the person has the "overall" image then its mike?? as long as they have a cleft, reguardless of size, light skin, and a curly wig its mike???
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Thats not the make-up that's the PhotoShop...But still that's obviously Mike's face.
I am not saying the Ebony photos weren't airbrushed; however, makeup WAS definitely a factor in why the Ebony photoshoot pics of Mike look a bit different. The photographer, Matthew Rolston, talks about the photoshoot, as well as the makeup used, on p. 243 in the Michael Jackson Opus.
He said he wanted to use a neutral lip color and warm-toned face powder to create a "golden glow" in the photos which he thought were more complimentary to Michael than the makeup he was wearing at the time. (He is the same photographer who took Mike's photo for the 1983 Human Nature single cover and publicity picture, the one where he's wearing the yellow vest.) Makeup does make a huge difference.
I thought this was interesting and thought I'd share.
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Interesting you say that, since we have no problem with the fact he had doubles. What I just can't believe is that people say it's all Mike in TII, since mostly it doesn't even look like him. TII has mostly, or even maybe only doubles. The only footage that could be him IMO is the small low Q footage, but that's impossible to analyze since the quality is crap. This IS important because he hoaxed his death after that, why do we see doubles in the movie? Because we do...
Q - Why is the fact that he used a double at some time important to the hoax
A - because he hoaxed his death after that
That's not a good argument. Even if every public appearance of him was a double, and ALL in TII were doubles, it still does not proof he used one at 25th. He could have used thousands of doubles, millions even and still die himself at 25th june.
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. It is not about a different looking cleft or nose or whatever at some picture, it is the overall image.
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so are you saying that as long as the person has the "overall" image then its mike?? as long as they have a cleft, reguardless of size, light skin, and a curly wig its mike???
No, many more things.
You're not making sense. What are you saying here, that it would be OK to base an identification on just one thing like nose or ear or cleft but not on the overall picture?
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Interesting you say that, since we have no problem with the fact he had doubles. What I just can't believe is that people say it's all Mike in TII, since mostly it doesn't even look like him. TII has mostly, or even maybe only doubles. The only footage that could be him IMO is the small low Q footage, but that's impossible to analyze since the quality is crap. This IS important because he hoaxed his death after that, why do we see doubles in the movie? Because we do...
Q - Why is the fact that he used a double at some time important to the hoax
A - because he hoaxed his death after that
That's not a good argument. Even if every public appearance of him was a double, and ALL in TII were doubles, it still does not proof he used one at 25th. He could have used thousands of doubles, millions even and still die himself at 25th june.
Yep.. And it's strange we havn't seen these doubles after June 25th.. Four doubles that looks like Michael can't go outside their house, because they look like Michael.
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Interesting you say that, since we have no problem with the fact he had doubles. What I just can't believe is that people say it's all Mike in TII, since mostly it doesn't even look like him. TII has mostly, or even maybe only doubles. The only footage that could be him IMO is the small low Q footage, but that's impossible to analyze since the quality is crap. This IS important because he hoaxed his death after that, why do we see doubles in the movie? Because we do...
Q - Why is the fact that he used a double at some time important to the hoax
A - because he hoaxed his death after that
That's not a good argument. Even if every public appearance of him was a double, and ALL in TII were doubles, it still does not proof he used one at 25th. He could have used thousands of doubles, millions even and still die himself at 25th june.
This thread is not meant to "proof" who died on June 25th, it's to discuss if doubles were used.
It's important to discuss it, because the use of doubles raises the question as to WHY doubles were used, especially in This It It.
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Thats not the make-up that's the PhotoShop...But still that's obviously Mike's face.
I am not saying the Ebony photos weren't airbrushed; however, makeup WAS definitely a factor in why the Ebony photoshoot pics of Mike look a bit different. The photographer, Matthew Rolston, talks about the photoshoot, as well as the makeup used, on p. 243 in the Michael Jackson Opus.
He said he wanted to use a neutral lip color and warm-toned face powder to create a "golden glow" in the photos which he thought were more complimentary to Michael than the makeup he was wearing at the time. (He is the same photographer who took Mike's photo for the 1983 Human Nature single cover and publicity picture, the one where he's wearing the yellow vest.) Makeup does make a huge difference.
I thought this was interesting and thought I'd share.
But he is still look like Michael Jackson because he IS Mike do ya know what i mean? U can change your make up u can use photoshop it doesn't matter cause your face 's gonna be still YOUR face. (and it's gonna look like your face. ) ;)
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Interesting you say that, since we have no problem with the fact he had doubles. What I just can't believe is that people say it's all Mike in TII, since mostly it doesn't even look like him. TII has mostly, or even maybe only doubles. The only footage that could be him IMO is the small low Q footage, but that's impossible to analyze since the quality is crap. This IS important because he hoaxed his death after that, why do we see doubles in the movie? Because we do...
Q - Why is the fact that he used a double at some time important to the hoax
A - because he hoaxed his death after that
That's not a good argument. Even if every public appearance of him was a double, and ALL in TII were doubles, it still does not proof he used one at 25th. He could have used thousands of doubles, millions even and still die himself at 25th june.
Well if I believed for one second that he died himself the 25th of June, I wouldn't be here. You don't get the point here, the use of doubles IS important, why would he need them? Protection IMO. Why in the movie? No clue, maybe to make a statement afterwards, as to make people see that they only see what they want to see, that they take everything for granted, that they think it is him because the media tells you it's him.
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Thats not the make-up that's the PhotoShop...But still that's obviously Mike's face.
I am not saying the Ebony photos weren't airbrushed; however, makeup WAS definitely a factor in why the Ebony photoshoot pics of Mike look a bit different. The photographer, Matthew Rolston, talks about the photoshoot, as well as the makeup used, on p. 243 in the Michael Jackson Opus.
He said he wanted to use a neutral lip color and warm-toned face powder to create a "golden glow" in the photos which he thought were more complimentary to Michael than the makeup he was wearing at the time. (He is the same photographer who took Mike's photo for the 1983 Human Nature single cover and publicity picture, the one where he's wearing the yellow vest.) Makeup does make a huge difference.
I thought this was interesting and thought I'd share.
But he is still look like Michael Jackson because he IS Mike do ya know what i mean? U can change your make up u can use photoshop it doesn't matter cause your face 's gonna be still YOUR face. (and it's gonna look like your face. ) ;)
EXACTLY.
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Thats not the make-up that's the PhotoShop...But still that's obviously Mike's face.
I am not saying the Ebony photos weren't airbrushed; however, makeup WAS definitely a factor in why the Ebony photoshoot pics of Mike look a bit different. The photographer, Matthew Rolston, talks about the photoshoot, as well as the makeup used, on p. 243 in the Michael Jackson Opus.
He said he wanted to use a neutral lip color and warm-toned face powder to create a "golden glow" in the photos which he thought were more complimentary to Michael than the makeup he was wearing at the time. (He is the same photographer who took Mike's photo for the 1983 Human Nature single cover and publicity picture, the one where he's wearing the yellow vest.) Makeup does make a huge difference.
I thought this was interesting and thought I'd share.
But he is still look like Michael Jackson because he IS Mike do ya know what i mean? U can change your make up u can use photoshop it doesn't matter cause your face 's gonna be still YOUR face. (and it's gonna look like your face. ) ;)
EXACTLY.
Surgeries is a serious thing.
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hmm any "real names" of the ppl who were Doubles in TII ? :D :D if there were some ;)
NAVI ?
BEN JACKSON xD ?
ECASANOVA ?
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Interesting you say that, since we have no problem with the fact he had doubles. What I just can't believe is that people say it's all Mike in TII, since mostly it doesn't even look like him. TII has mostly, or even maybe only doubles. The only footage that could be him IMO is the small low Q footage, but that's impossible to analyze since the quality is crap. This IS important because he hoaxed his death after that, why do we see doubles in the movie? Because we do...
Q - Why is the fact that he used a double at some time important to the hoax
A - because he hoaxed his death after that
That's not a good argument. Even if every public appearance of him was a double, and ALL in TII were doubles, it still does not proof he used one at 25th. He could have used thousands of doubles, millions even and still die himself at 25th june.
Yep.. And it's strange we havn't seen these doubles after June 25th.. Four doubles that looks like Michael can't go outside their house, because they look like Michael.
Have you ever heard of prostetic make up? And those doubles only seem to look like Mike because they want you to think it's him. I bet that with other hair, no make-up you wouldn't even consider the fact it's him. We see all different mouths, eyes, ears and noses in that movie. Some can dance, some can't, some have almost no shoulders, some have broad shoulders, even without shoulder pads.
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hmm any "real names" of the ppl who were Doubles in TII ? :D :D if there were some ;)
NAVI ?
BEN JACKSON xD ?
ECASANOVA ?
Johnny Depp? Why the obvious doubles?
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Well I would have thought the whole point of being a paid MJ double would be to look as much like him as possible in order to fool the public. I am sure, when these people go back to their normal lives, they don't look exactly like MJ and can carry on being themselves, its just a job to them.
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hmm any "real names" of the ppl who were Doubles in TII ? :D :D if there were some ;)
NAVI ?
BEN JACKSON xD ?
ECASANOVA ?
Navi? Nah.
Ben Jackson :lol: Nah..
E'Cassanova? No..
Michael Joseph Jackson? Maybe.. His 'twin that died'
Michael Joe Jackson, yes!
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Thats not the make-up that's the PhotoShop...But still that's obviously Mike's face.
I am not saying the Ebony photos weren't airbrushed; however, makeup WAS definitely a factor in why the Ebony photoshoot pics of Mike look a bit different. The photographer, Matthew Rolston, talks about the photoshoot, as well as the makeup used, on p. 243 in the Michael Jackson Opus.
He said he wanted to use a neutral lip color and warm-toned face powder to create a "golden glow" in the photos which he thought were more complimentary to Michael than the makeup he was wearing at the time. (He is the same photographer who took Mike's photo for the 1983 Human Nature single cover and publicity picture, the one where he's wearing the yellow vest.) Makeup does make a huge difference.
I thought this was interesting and thought I'd share.
But he is still look like Michael Jackson because he IS Mike do ya know what i mean? U can change your make up u can use photoshop it doesn't matter cause your face 's gonna be still YOUR face. (and it's gonna look like your face. ) ;)
EXACTLY.
Surgeries is a serious thing.
So r u saying he had surgeries on ALL OVER his face in the last three months to make a totally different look? ( and height? and moves? even teeth? :) )
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hmm any "real names" of the ppl who were Doubles in TII ? :D :D if there were some ;)
NAVI ?
BEN JACKSON xD ?
ECASANOVA ?
Johnny Depp? Why the obvious doubles?
because Ecasanova can sing / act like michael. and also LOOKs like Mike.. Navi can act/same body movement and dance like michael.. but Ben jackson can just dance like Michael IMO, havent heard him sing :) what do you think guys ? just waana know :)
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Well I would have thought the whole poing of being a paid MJ double would be to look as much like him as possible in order to fool the public. I am sure, when these people go back to their normal lives, they don't look exactly like MJ and can carry on being themselves, its just a job to them.
You know you need EXTREMELY PROFESSIONAL surgeries to look like Michael, and it cost A LOT of money!
Changing yourself back is not an easy job.
If there were 4 doubles, as some people in here claim.. How you think their life is? They are not that rich for bodyguards, and get their foods brought to the house. You see my point. They can't go out as theirselves cause they look like Michael Jackson, 90%
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Interesting you say that, since we have no problem with the fact he had doubles. What I just can't believe is that people say it's all Mike in TII, since mostly it doesn't even look like him. TII has mostly, or even maybe only doubles. The only footage that could be him IMO is the small low Q footage, but that's impossible to analyze since the quality is crap. This IS important because he hoaxed his death after that, why do we see doubles in the movie? Because we do...
Q - Why is the fact that he used a double at some time important to the hoax
A - because he hoaxed his death after that
That's not a good argument. Even if every public appearance of him was a double, and ALL in TII were doubles, it still does not proof he used one at 25th. He could have used thousands of doubles, millions even and still die himself at 25th june.
Well if I believed for one second that he died himself the 25th of June, I wouldn't be here. You don't get the point here, the use of doubles IS important, why would he need them? Protection IMO. Why in the movie? No clue, maybe to make a statement afterwards, as to make people see that they only see what they want to see, that they take everything for granted, that they think it is him because the media tells you it's him.
There's no point using protection -on stage- for his own rehearsal. It would be when leaving the building for instance, but it makes no sense on stage. So for security reasons, no. There's no point having a double rehearsing in his place.
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Yes there would, if he couldn't be there himself.
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Thats not the make-up that's the PhotoShop...But still that's obviously Mike's face.
I am not saying the Ebony photos weren't airbrushed; however, makeup WAS definitely a factor in why the Ebony photoshoot pics of Mike look a bit different. The photographer, Matthew Rolston, talks about the photoshoot, as well as the makeup used, on p. 243 in the Michael Jackson Opus.
He said he wanted to use a neutral lip color and warm-toned face powder to create a "golden glow" in the photos which he thought were more complimentary to Michael than the makeup he was wearing at the time. (He is the same photographer who took Mike's photo for the 1983 Human Nature single cover and publicity picture, the one where he's wearing the yellow vest.) Makeup does make a huge difference.
I thought this was interesting and thought I'd share.
But he is still look like Michael Jackson because he IS Mike do ya know what i mean? U can change your make up u can use photoshop it doesn't matter cause your face 's gonna be still YOUR face. (and it's gonna look like your face. ) ;)
EXACTLY.
Surgeries is a serious thing.
So r u saying he had surgeries on ALL OVER his face in the last three months to make a totally different look? ( and height? and moves? even teeth? :) )
I am saying, no doubles used in the performances. Why would he use doubles to rehearse? To "prove" he was in a good health? If there were doubles, it was definitely a planned movie.
No doubles, only Michael. But a planned movie was it for sure.
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hmm any "real names" of the ppl who were Doubles in TII ? :D :D if there were some ;)
NAVI ?
BEN JACKSON xD ?
ECASANOVA ?
Johnny Depp? Why the obvious doubles?
Travis Payne, with a liddle prosthetic make-up? At least Travis can dance!
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hmm any "real names" of the ppl who were Doubles in TII ? :D :D if there were some ;)
NAVI ?
BEN JACKSON xD ?
ECASANOVA ?
Johnny Depp? Why the obvious doubles?
Travis Payne, with a liddle prosthetic make-up? At least Travis can dance!
indeed, travis got michael spirit:)
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Thats not the make-up that's the PhotoShop...But still that's obviously Mike's face.
I am not saying the Ebony photos weren't airbrushed; however, makeup WAS definitely a factor in why the Ebony photoshoot pics of Mike look a bit different. The photographer, Matthew Rolston, talks about the photoshoot, as well as the makeup used, on p. 243 in the Michael Jackson Opus.
He said he wanted to use a neutral lip color and warm-toned face powder to create a "golden glow" in the photos which he thought were more complimentary to Michael than the makeup he was wearing at the time. (He is the same photographer who took Mike's photo for the 1983 Human Nature single cover and publicity picture, the one where he's wearing the yellow vest.) Makeup does make a huge difference.
I thought this was interesting and thought I'd share.
But he is still look like Michael Jackson because he IS Mike do ya know what i mean? U can change your make up u can use photoshop it doesn't matter cause your face 's gonna be still YOUR face. (and it's gonna look like your face. ) ;)
EXACTLY.
Surgeries is a serious thing.
So r u saying he had surgeries on ALL OVER his face in the last three months to make a totally different look? ( and height? and moves? even teeth? :) )
I am saying, no doubles used in the performances. Why would he use doubles to rehearse? To "prove" he was in a good health? If there were doubles, it was definitely a planned movie.
No doubles, only Michael. But a planned movie was it for sure.
Who says these were rehearsals? It could have been a planned movie all along for all we know.
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hmm any "real names" of the ppl who were Doubles in TII ? :D :D if there were some ;)
NAVI ?
BEN JACKSON xD ?
ECASANOVA ?
Johnny Depp? Why the obvious doubles?
Travis Payne, with a liddle prosthetic make-up? At least Travis can dance!
He would have to shrink his nose, and use a mask. Not even with make up he can look like Michael. He needs professional surgeries. HE isn't close looking like Michael.
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hmm any "real names" of the ppl who were Doubles in TII ? :D :D if there were some ;)
NAVI ?
BEN JACKSON xD ?
ECASANOVA ?
Johnny Depp? Why the obvious doubles?
because Ecasanova can sing / act like michael. and also LOOKs like Mike.. Navi can act/same body movement and dance like michael.. but Ben jackson can just dance like Michael IMO, havent heard him sing :) what do you think guys ? just waana know :)
But some can't.... I bet Johnny would have loved to play the Billie Jean part. He is even asked a while ago to play Mike in a movie about him...
Also, the audio is uncut, while the video goes back and forth each time, so it's lip-sync. There is a lot possible with prostetic make-up these days, the doubles could have been anyone. And like Mo says, the double that CAN dance, could easily be Travis, he is the only one that could fool me considering the moves.
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[quote = "Souza ~ ~"] Nouvelle page, mais toujours pas de réponse quant à la façon dont il a transformé ce point en 3 mois, donc je vais jeter les photos à nouveau:
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[img] http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ ... 5_2009.jpg (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg) [/ img] [/ quote]
Its nose!! Photograph 3 and photograph 6. To compare the base of the nose.
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hmm any "real names" of the ppl who were Doubles in TII ? :D :D if there were some ;)
NAVI ?
BEN JACKSON xD ?
ECASANOVA ?
Johnny Depp? Why the obvious doubles?
Travis Payne, with a liddle prosthetic make-up? At least Travis can dance!
He would have to shrink his nose, and use a mask. Not even with make up he can look like Michael. He needs professional surgeries. HE isn't close looking like Michael.
I think Travis looks more like Mike than some of the doubles we see in TII :lol:
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Thats not the make-up that's the PhotoShop...But still that's obviously Mike's face.
I am not saying the Ebony photos weren't airbrushed; however, makeup WAS definitely a factor in why the Ebony photoshoot pics of Mike look a bit different. The photographer, Matthew Rolston, talks about the photoshoot, as well as the makeup used, on p. 243 in the Michael Jackson Opus.
He said he wanted to use a neutral lip color and warm-toned face powder to create a "golden glow" in the photos which he thought were more complimentary to Michael than the makeup he was wearing at the time. (He is the same photographer who took Mike's photo for the 1983 Human Nature single cover and publicity picture, the one where he's wearing the yellow vest.) Makeup does make a huge difference.
I thought this was interesting and thought I'd share.
But he is still look like Michael Jackson because he IS Mike do ya know what i mean? U can change your make up u can use photoshop it doesn't matter cause your face 's gonna be still YOUR face. (and it's gonna look like your face. ) ;)
EXACTLY.
Surgeries is a serious thing.
So r u saying he had surgeries on ALL OVER his face in the last three months to make a totally different look? ( and height? and moves? even teeth? :) )
I am saying, no doubles used in the performances. Why would he use doubles to rehearse? To "prove" he was in a good health? If there were doubles, it was definitely a planned movie.
No doubles, only Michael. But a planned movie was it for sure.
Who says these were rehearsals? It could have been a planned movie all along for all we know.
Really, come on...maybe we are all attached to the Borg hive and just THINK we are chatting on a forum.
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Cette photo est TII.
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hmm any "real names" of the ppl who were Doubles in TII ? :D :D if there were some ;)
NAVI ?
BEN JACKSON xD ?
ECASANOVA ?
Johnny Depp? Why the obvious doubles?
Travis Payne, with a liddle prosthetic make-up? At least Travis can dance!
He would have to shrink his nose, and use a mask. Not even with make up he can look like Michael. He needs professional surgeries. HE isn't close looking like Michael.
Oh Realllly...? I think you need to do a liddle research on prosthetic make-up Tom.
I would really appreciate it if you would put some effort in to looking in to things before rejecting everything people say who do think there are doubles in This Is It. Unsupported claims don't contribute to the convo Tom...
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hmm any "real names" of the ppl who were Doubles in TII ? :D :D if there were some ;)
NAVI ?
BEN JACKSON xD ?
ECASANOVA ?
Johnny Depp? Why the obvious doubles?
Travis Payne, with a liddle prosthetic make-up? At least Travis can dance!
He would have to shrink his nose, and use a mask. Not even with make up he can look like Michael. He needs professional surgeries. HE isn't close looking like Michael.
Oh Realllly...? I think you need to do a liddle research on prosthetic make-up Tom.
I would really appreciate it if you would put some effort in to looking in to things before rejecting everything people say who do think there are doubles in This Is It. Unsupported claims don't contribute to the convo Tom...
Look at Travis nose.. How can he get a thin little nose, like Michael had? You guys are getting quite unrealistic. This is hilarious! What do you think of our world? This is not a game, this is reality.
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Avant tout, il à trouver la vérité Michael (photo récente de 2009), et après comparaison avec les «doubles».
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This is totally disrespectful, if MJ would see this...people claiming he was "not him" in TII.
There is no double who looks like MJ, all of them like wax figures...nothing like mj
Michael is changing all the time, different hair, sometimes wigs, make up, then the lights, angles, black and white pictures etc...
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. It is not about a different looking cleft or nose or whatever at some picture, it is the overall image.
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so are you saying that as long as the person has the "overall" image then its mike?? as long as they have a cleft, reguardless of size, light skin, and a curly wig its mike???
No, many more things.
You're not making sense. What are you saying here, that it would be OK to base an identification on just one thing like nose or ear or cleft but not on the overall picture?
yes :lol: you do identify someone by there face dont you?the facial features of all 4 of the men in those pictures are different and yet no one has an explaintion why other than it must be him or the lighting ect. there is no way that doing the course of shooting that movie that his cleft, nose and eyes changed that much or his height for that matter
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This is totally unrespectful, if MJ would see this...people claiming he was "not him" in TII.
There is no double who looks like MJ, all of them like wax figures...nothing like mj
I think you mean disrespectful. I can't see what is disrespectful about MJ using doubles, he has always admitted it in the past. He has used them as decoys on numerous occasions - as do various stars. Its not a new thing.
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This is totally unrespectful, if MJ would see this...people claiming he was "not him" in TII.
There is no double who looks like MJ, all of them like wax figures...nothing like mj
this is totally unrespectfull, if MJ would see this...people claiming the double is MJ.
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pff
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This is totally unrespectful, if MJ would see this...people claiming he was "not him" in TII.
There is no double who looks like MJ, all of them like wax figures...nothing like mj
this is totally unrespectfull, if MJ would see this...people claiming the double is MJ.
You have no concrete proof it's a double.
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This thread is riduclous. For some reasons the mods doesn't debunk this shit.
All the photos I've seen on page 1 is Michael. You're denying the fact.
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I was that angry last time when i saw people claiming the "o2 guy"(as they said) was not Mj, and then this.....
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This thread is riduclous. For some reasons the mods doesn't debunk this shit.
All the photos I've seen on page 1 is Michael. You're denying the fact.
Leave the thread then, if you don't want to discuss it with people who don't agree with you. This topic is for discussion no-one HAS to agree with anyone else - that is what DEBATE is about - if you are sensible of course.
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I dont know why, but I hae this feeling that his picture is taken way after his ''death!'' He is wearing that old-style jacket on purpose! but his face and the jacket time-line dont fit!
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3951)
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Sorry but that is NOT a lookalike its him .
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Thats not the make-up that's the PhotoShop...But still that's obviously Mike's face.
I am not saying the Ebony photos weren't airbrushed; however, makeup WAS definitely a factor in why the Ebony photoshoot pics of Mike look a bit different. The photographer, Matthew Rolston, talks about the photoshoot, as well as the makeup used, on p. 243 in the Michael Jackson Opus.
He said he wanted to use a neutral lip color and warm-toned face powder to create a "golden glow" in the photos which he thought were more complimentary to Michael than the makeup he was wearing at the time. (He is the same photographer who took Mike's photo for the 1983 Human Nature single cover and publicity picture, the one where he's wearing the yellow vest.) Makeup does make a huge difference.
I thought this was interesting and thought I'd share.
But he is still look like Michael Jackson because he IS Mike do ya know what i mean? U can change your make up u can use photoshop it doesn't matter cause your face 's gonna be still YOUR face. (and it's gonna look like your face. ) ;)
EXACTLY.
Surgeries is a serious thing.
So r u saying he had surgeries on ALL OVER his face in the last three months to make a totally different look? ( and height? and moves? even teeth? :) )
I am saying, no doubles used in the performances. Why would he use doubles to rehearse? To "prove" he was in a good health? If there were doubles, it was definitely a planned movie.
No doubles, only Michael. But a planned movie was it for sure.
Who says these were rehearsals? It could have been a planned movie all along for all we know.
Really, come on...maybe we are all attached to the Borg hive and just THINK we are chatting on a forum.
So u do believe that this is a hoax but you don't believe this could be a planned movie?
Why?
Cause it's unbelievable?
Hoaxing your death is not? :roll:
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Sorry but that is NOT a lookalike its him .
I know its him.. but that picture is more resent than we think!
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This thread is riduclous. For some reasons the mods doesn't debunk this shit.
All the photos I've seen on page 1 is Michael. You're denying the fact.
Tom, there's a little red cross at the top corner of your browser. Click it if you don't like this thread. No one is forcing you to read it, leave alone replying to it.
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Sorry but that is NOT a lookalike its him .
I know its him.. but that picture is more resent than we think!
I have to admit that when I first saw that pic a few weeks ago, I felt that it was very recent, certainly post-25th June 2009. I still believe that now.
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I found the imposter
http://vodpod.com/watch/3133460-vh1s-fa ... in-episode (http://vodpod.com/watch/3133460-vh1s-famous-crime-scene-michael-jackson-full-20min-episode)
:lol:
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More comparisations. Both from TII, same outfit, different persons:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii2.jpg)
He lost a lot of weight in those few days....
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More comparisations. Both from TII, same outfit, different persons:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii2.jpg)
He lost a lot of weight in those few days....
This gets more and more odd by the minute. You can see the same mark on the right leg of his trousers BUT they do look like different people. The first one is much thinner and seems to have longer legs. :? :?
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Photography has its own ways...what about videos? :)
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One picture is bended, one is straight in the legs.
And these pictures are from YouTube, the quality is not the same. A blind man could even see that.
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One picture is bended, one is straight in the legs.
And these pictures are from YouTube, the quality is not the same. A blind man could even see that.
No ToM, a even a blind man can see that those are not the same persons!
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One picture is bended, one is straight in the legs.
And these pictures are from YouTube, the quality is not the same. A blind man could even see that.
No ToM, a even a blind man can see that those are not the same persons!
That's what YOU THINK AND SEE BECAUSE YOU THINK SO.
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Do you have rock solid proof it's isn't Michael?
Unless you have that, you can't assume what appears to be Michael doesn't know how to dance.
do you have proof it is him? there are mulitple pictures of him with different facials structures and yet the only "reason" for this is lighting :lol:
For me the proof is that I see Michael Jackson on those pics. Common sense doesn't lie.
It's not realistic at all to claim it's somebody else.
Do you have proof that those are doubles? :roll:
It really disturbs me when you guys don't have proof those are doubles and then make fun off his appearance by saying it can't be Michael because the cleft "looks like an ass" and call it investigating. That really disrespectful to Michael.
I don't think there were any doubles but if you want to examine wether there were doubles it can be done with respect for Michael. There's no need to make fun off HIS features!
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All I can say is WTF is going on??? My head is spinning. It's got to the point where I don't know what Michael looks like any more. He could be any one of the pictures in the OP but I'll be damned if I know which one. :?
Some people need to start answering questions about this doubles thing once and for all. I can see how it's driving people crazy. It messes with our minds and makes an already complicated situation even more difficult to understand. :evil:
I had to laugh when I read this...I know exactly what you mean. Just when I think that I've made up my mind I go and second guess myself. I've been feeling like my head has been spinning for a long time! :)
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http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/thisisit ... rs/165.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/thisisit/trailers/165.jpg)
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/thisisit ... rs/149.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/thisisit/trailers/149.jpg)
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Dear Michael:
As you can see you don't have to worry about hiding yourself, we won't be able to recognaize you even if you scream your name while doing a moonwalk :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oh this was too funny -- and probalby true! LOL :lol:
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Do you have proof that those are doubles? :roll:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii1.jpg)
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One picture is bended, one is straight in the legs.
And these pictures are from YouTube, the quality is not the same. A blind man could even see that.
No ToM, a even a blind man can see that those are not the same persons!
That's what YOU THINK AND SEE BECAUSE YOU THINK SO.
I really give up on you :?
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Do you have proof that those are doubles? :roll:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii1.jpg)
Hi Michael! :mrgreen:
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More comparisations. Both from TII, same outfit, different persons:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii2.jpg)
He lost a lot of weight in those few days....
Perhaps, we should turn these pictures over to TMZ and they can post a "Can You Spot The Difference?" segment on their website. ;) lol
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Do you have proof that those are doubles? :roll:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii1.jpg)
Hi Michael! :mrgreen:
Which one? :lol:
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Do you have rock solid proof it's isn't Michael?
Unless you have that, you can't assume what appears to be Michael doesn't know how to dance.
do you have proof it is him? there are mulitple pictures of him with different facials structures and yet the only "reason" for this is lighting :lol:
For me the proof is that I see Michael Jackson on those pics. Common sense doesn't lie.
It's not realistic at all to claim it's somebody else.
Do you have proof that those are doubles? :roll:
It really disturbs me when you guys don't have proof those are doubles and then make fun off his appearance by saying it can't be Michael because the cleft "looks like an ass" and call it investigating. That really disrespectful to Michael.
I don't think there were any doubles but if you want to examine wether there were doubles it can be done with respect for Michael. There's no need to make fun off HIS features!
I don't think that anybody here wants to be disrespectful, or wants to make fun of HIM. We all here because we want to know what's going on, we all here because we love him ( his music his art his personality whateva ). You have an opinion others have another one.
You r asking do we have any proofs that there are doubles in TII.
I'm asking do you have any proofs that that's all him?
What kind of proof do you want? You have photos, a lot of them. You have the movie. You can see it with your own eyes. If you don't see...well...
That's your opinion.
:roll:
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I think i know who the double is: :o :shock:
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5655/154cogpy.jpg)
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More comparisations. Both from TII, same outfit, different persons:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii1.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii2.jpg)
He lost a lot of weight in those few days....
Perhaps, we should turn these pictures over to TMZ and they can post a "Can You Spot The Difference?" segment on their website. ;) lol
I'm serious. I think it's a brilliant idea. I'd be curious what good ole Harve would have to say. :lol:
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Do you have rock solid proof it's isn't Michael?
Unless you have that, you can't assume what appears to be Michael doesn't know how to dance.
do you have proof it is him? there are mulitple pictures of him with different facials structures and yet the only "reason" for this is lighting :lol:
For me the proof is that I see Michael Jackson on those pics. Common sense doesn't lie.
It's not realistic at all to claim it's somebody else.
Do you have proof that those are doubles? :roll:
It really disturbs me when you guys don't have proof those are doubles and then make fun off his appearance by saying it can't be Michael because the cleft "looks like an ass" and call it investigating. That really disrespectful to Michael.
I don't think there were any doubles but if you want to examine wether there were doubles it can be done with respect for Michael. There's no need to make fun off HIS features!
I don't think that anybody here wants to be disrespectful, or wants to make fun of HIM. We all here because we want to know what's going on, we all here because we love him ( his music his art his personality whateva ). You have an opinion others have another one.
You r asking do we have any proofs that there are doubles in TII.
I'm asking do you have any proofs that that's all him?
What kind of proof do you want? You have photos, a lot of them. You have the movie. You can see it with your own eyes. If you don't see...well...
That's your opinion.
:roll:
Making fun of the features of the so called doubles IS disrespectful to Michael, cause there is no proof that they actually are doubles.
I've seen the movie often enough to notice that I was watching Michael perform.
@ Souza, both of them.
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I can't help but getting flash backs of the Dave Dave thread Souza and I posted on MJHD in the early hours of September 6th. Boy, were we bashed and ridiculed for saying Dave Dave on Larry King Live was Mike in disguise. It took only a few weeks until the majority of hoax believers said that it was Mike, and youtube got flooded with comparison videos.
I'm really curious as to how this double thread will turn out...time will tell...
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@ Souza, both of them.
You gotta be kidding me... :lol:
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I can't help but getting flash backs of the Dave Dave thread Souza and I posted on MJHD in the early hours of September 6th. Boy, were we bashed and ridiculed for saying Dave Dave on Larry King Live was Mike in disguise. It took only a few weeks until the majority of hoax believers said that it was Mike, and youtube got flooded with comparison videos.
I'm really curious as to how this double thread will turn out...time will tell...
That's not the same.
It might be Michael as Dave Dave on LKL, cause he would be al covered with prostetic make up.
In TII we get to see Michael with his face, ears, neck and everything.
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I can't help but getting flash backs of the Dave Dave thread Souza and I posted on MJHD in the early hours of September 6th. Boy, were we bashed and ridiculed for saying Dave Dave on Larry King Live was Mike in disguise. It took only a few weeks until the majority of hoax believers said that it was Mike, and youtube got flooded with comparison videos.
I'm really curious as to how this double thread will turn out...time will tell...
When i see that Dave Dave on LKL i have this chill thinking it could be Michael...but in this is it i don't have that feeling at all... :?
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Do you have rock solid proof it's isn't Michael?
Unless you have that, you can't assume what appears to be Michael doesn't know how to dance.
do you have proof it is him? there are mulitple pictures of him with different facials structures and yet the only "reason" for this is lighting :lol:
For me the proof is that I see Michael Jackson on those pics. Common sense doesn't lie.
It's not realistic at all to claim it's somebody else.
Do you have proof that those are doubles? :roll:
It really disturbs me when you guys don't have proof those are doubles and then make fun off his appearance by saying it can't be Michael because the cleft "looks like an ass" and call it investigating. That really disrespectful to Michael.
I don't think there were any doubles but if you want to examine wether there were doubles it can be done with respect for Michael. There's no need to make fun off HIS features!
I don't think that anybody here wants to be disrespectful, or wants to make fun of HIM. We all here because we want to know what's going on, we all here because we love him ( his music his art his personality whateva ). You have an opinion others have another one.
You r asking do we have any proofs that there are doubles in TII.
I'm asking do you have any proofs that that's all him?
What kind of proof do you want? You have photos, a lot of them. You have the movie. You can see it with your own eyes. If you don't see...well...
That's your opinion.
:roll:
Making fun of the features of the so called doubles IS disrespectful to Michael, cause there is no proof that they actually are doubles.
I've seen the movie often enough to notice that I was watching Michael perform.
@ Souza, both of them.
And do you think that's a nice thing that u don't even see the differences between MJ and a double? 8-)
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And still no answer as to how he transformed that much in 3 months...
Mike 1989, Mike 2005, Mike 2009:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
Mike 1989, Mike 2005, ? 2009:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
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@ Souza, both of them.
You gotta be kidding me... :lol:
Because of the reality?
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I can't help but getting flash backs of the Dave Dave thread Souza and I posted on MJHD in the early hours of September 6th. Boy, were we bashed and ridiculed for saying Dave Dave on Larry King Live was Mike in disguise. It took only a few weeks until the majority of hoax believers said that it was Mike, and youtube got flooded with comparison videos.
I'm really curious as to how this double thread will turn out...time will tell...
That's not the same.
It might be Michael as Dave Dave on LKL, cause he would be al covered with prostetic make up.
In TII we get to see Michael with his face, ears, neck and everything.
Yes, like at LKL we get to see 'Dave Dave' with his face, ears, neck and everything...
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I can't help but getting flash backs of the Dave Dave thread Souza and I posted on MJHD in the early hours of September 6th. Boy, were we bashed and ridiculed for saying Dave Dave on Larry King Live was Mike in disguise. It took only a few weeks until the majority of hoax believers said that it was Mike, and youtube got flooded with comparison videos.
I'm really curious as to how this double thread will turn out...time will tell...
That's not the same.
It might be Michael as Dave Dave on LKL, cause he would be al covered with prostetic make up.
In TII we get to see Michael with his face, ears, neck and everything.
I most definitely do not agree on that. I say in This Is It we get to see people with prosthetic make up in an attempt to make them look like Mike.
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I can't help but getting flash backs of the Dave Dave thread Souza and I posted on MJHD in the early hours of September 6th. Boy, were we bashed and ridiculed for saying Dave Dave on Larry King Live was Mike in disguise. It took only a few weeks until the majority of hoax believers said that it was Mike, and youtube got flooded with comparison videos.
I'm really curious as to how this double thread will turn out...time will tell...
That's not the same.
It might be Michael as Dave Dave on LKL, cause he would be al covered with prostetic make up.
In TII we get to see Michael with his face, ears, neck and everything.
Yes, like at LKL we get to see 'Dave Dave' with his face, ears, neck and everything...
Maybe it was Dave Dave as MJ in this is it :lol: okay i'm going to the nut-house.
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I would like to see comparisation pictures of the people that think it's all Mike in TII, we have showed a lot, maybe you can support your opinion by showing us? Maybe you can change our minds (although I strongly doubt that).
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And still no answer as to how he transformed that much in 3 months...
Mike 1989, Mike 2005, Mike 2009:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
Mike 1989, Mike 2005, ? 2009:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
He didn't transform that much in 3 months because the '? 2009' is NOT Michael.
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And still no answer as to how he transformed that much in 3 months...
Mike 1989, Mike 2005, Mike 2009:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
Mike 1989, Mike 2005, ? 2009:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
He didn't transform that much in 3 months because the '? 2009' is NOT Michael.
Exactly what I meant ;)
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And still no answer as to how he transformed that much in 3 months...
Mike 1989, Mike 2005, Mike 2009:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
Mike 1989, Mike 2005, ? 2009:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
I have the answer! (And there is no other one.)
The last one is NOT HIM. Tadammmmmmm !!
(Did i win anything? ) :D
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And do you think that's a nice thing that u don't even see the differences between MJ and a double? 8-)
All because I say a man who appears to be Michael, is Michael? :roll:
It's like saying this isn't Janet, because she looks different that she did in the '90s.
(http://www.topnews.in/files/janet_jackson23.jpg)
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What I am wondering about is if Mike shows up again, the people that think '? 2009' is him, will believe he's back, or that they think Mike is his own impostor... Hmmmm, complicated!
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And do you think that's a nice thing that u don't even see the differences between MJ and a double? 8-)
All because I say a man who appears to be Michael, is Michael? :roll:
It's like saying this isn't Janet, because she looks different that she did in the '90s.
(http://www.topnews.in/files/janet_jackson23.jpg)
Not much, that clearly looks like Janet to me...
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And do you think that's a nice thing that u don't even see the differences between MJ and a double? 8-)
All because I say a man who appears to be Michael, is Michael? :roll:
It's like saying this isn't Janet, because she looks different that she did in the '90s.
(http://www.topnews.in/files/janet_jackson23.jpg)
Not much, that clearly looks like Janet to me...
Because you SEE Janet...I see Michael when I look at the pics you all posted.
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And do you think that's a nice thing that u don't even see the differences between MJ and a double? 8-)
All because I say a man who appears to be Michael, is Michael? :roll:
It's like saying this isn't Janet, because she looks different that she did in the '90s.
(http://www.topnews.in/files/janet_jackson23.jpg)
Show me a picture about Janet Jackson where she doesn't look like Janet Jackson. Because that's obviously not THAT photo.
So people's face changes DAILY. Good to know that. I'm scared to wake up tomorrow morning. Who knows what i'm gonna find in the mirror? :shock:
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This isnt getting anywhere.
First of all, This Is It has been filmed in a very clever manner...Even if there were doubles, Its hard to tell, because of the different backgrounds,pyros,angles and all.
The problem with the speck/cleft is that when theres too much of light around it looks perfectly normal like the genuine Mike...But when the background is relativey darker as in songs like Wanna be startin somethin', The double chin casts a shadow making the RIDGE/cleft on the chin look DEEPER AND LONGER.....
and I agree that Dave on LKL was a totally different ball game altogether...You could get vibes from the moment he appeared on the screen that this COULD be MJ in disgiuse.....How? Because of his general body language, his eyes and most importantly his voice.
However, Its very hard to tell the differnce when we have to compare between the real MJ and his doubles........
I dont think that the square cleft/round cleft is an issue.......That could be the lights playing tricks with us.....We all look kinda different in different photographs...I have seen that happening with me...no big deal....The cleft itself could've been made deeper by surgery....But that square/round appearance is not an issue for me.....
Look, This debate can go on forever......I gues we'll never know till MJ comes out himself to say that.....Its just like TIAI.
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And do you think that's a nice thing that u don't even see the differences between MJ and a double? 8-)
All because I say a man who appears to be Michael, is Michael? :roll:
It's like saying this isn't Janet, because she looks different that she did in the '90s.
(http://www.topnews.in/files/janet_jackson23.jpg)
Janet from the 90's:
(http://z.about.com/d/top40/1/0/1/K/1/escapade.jpg)
Looks like the same gal!
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i just want to chime in. yes i may look slightly different in all pics but i have a cleft chin and i promise you it doesnt change from pic to pic.
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Check out Ashlee Simpson who looks dif. every time. :D
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I looked at all the concerts of Michael, and when I am to go to see the film j' had the head filled of the images of this marvellous being which to dance and sing like God.
But the film m' disappointed. I considering a character who n' had nothing has to see with Michael.Diminue, thinned down, without force.
You can shouts, c' is your right, but c' is my point of considering. To look like Ortega l' to send to drink l' water: " will drink l' water! " and Michael who fredonner… of the l' water, of the l' water…
Was a 50 year old man, not a child
To look at when it mount in the nacelle!! IT IS AFRAID.
It n' there an image in full light with Michael does not have, all is dark…
In the mediums of film I wanted to leave, but I am remainder jusqu' at the end, by respect for Michael.
I do not know how much double it have to use to carry out film, and for me c' is not import.
What is important, c' is l' use of l' image of Michael to make l' money and of berner all the world: to make believe that c' is Michael it or he n' was not.
D' elsewhere I think that now that the film left, there will be a person who will know well to analyze the images and to make the light.
If it is still alive??!! I want to believe.
If it returns??!! I do not believe.
It has all to give.
What remains for everyone c' is its splendid smile, its marvellous music and moonwalker…
Sorry for my english.
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How do you explain the fact that the supposed double was singing in the film?
Orange pants MJ was singing (WBSS, Speechless, Human Nature, Smooth Criminal, TWYMMF
Red shirt MJ was singing (WBSS, Human Nature, TWYMMF, J5 medley
Shoulder-pads jacket MJ was singing (human nature, IJCSLY
Gold pants MJ was singing (Human Nature)
Gold Jacket MJ was singing (I'll be there)
Billie Jean + MITM also had live bits to them...
So unless there were MJ doubles who also shared the same ability to sing, then how do you explain that?
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and I agree that Dave on LKL was a totally different ball game altogether...You could get vibes from the moment he appeared on the screen that this COULD be MJ in disgiuse.....How? Because of his general body language, his eyes and most importantly his voice.
Right, and I didn't get those vibes from the majority of "Mikes" in this is it, neither did their body language resemble his, leave alone the eyes. As for the voice: lip syncing or the use of a Harmonizer.
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How do you explain the fact that the supposed double was singing in the film?
Orange pants MJ was singing (WBSS, Speechless, Human Nature, Smooth Criminal, TWYMMF
Red shirt MJ was singing (WBSS, Human Nature, TWYMMF, J5 medley
Shoulder-pads jacket MJ was singing (human nature, IJCSLY
Gold pants MJ was singing (Human Nature)
Gold Jacket MJ was singing (I'll be there)
Billie Jean + MITM also had live bits to them...
So unless there were MJ doubles who also shared the same ability to sing, then how do you explain that?
Lipsync
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How do you explain the fact that the supposed double was singing in the film?
Orange pants MJ was singing (WBSS, Speechless, Human Nature, Smooth Criminal, TWYMMF
Red shirt MJ was singing (WBSS, Human Nature, TWYMMF, J5 medley
Shoulder-pads jacket MJ was singing (human nature, IJCSLY
Gold pants MJ was singing (Human Nature)
Gold Jacket MJ was singing (I'll be there)
Billie Jean + MITM also had live bits to them...
So unless there were MJ doubles who also shared the same ability to sing, then how do you explain that?
They didn't sing live.
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And do you think that's a nice thing that u don't even see the differences between MJ and a double? 8-)
All because I say a man who appears to be Michael, is Michael? :roll:
It's like saying this isn't Janet, because she looks different that she did in the '90s.
(http://www.topnews.in/files/janet_jackson23.jpg)
Janet from the 90's:
(http://z.about.com/d/top40/1/0/1/K/1/escapade.jpg)
Looks like the same gal!
Exactly, the same girl. Even though she looks older and a bit different it's the same person.
Same thing with Michael.
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How do you explain the fact that the supposed double was singing in the film?
Orange pants MJ was singing (WBSS, Speechless, Human Nature, Smooth Criminal, TWYMMF
Red shirt MJ was singing (WBSS, Human Nature, TWYMMF, J5 medley
Shoulder-pads jacket MJ was singing (human nature, IJCSLY
Gold pants MJ was singing (Human Nature)
Gold Jacket MJ was singing (I'll be there)
Billie Jean + MITM also had live bits to them...
So unless there were MJ doubles who also shared the same ability to sing, then how do you explain that?
They didn't sing live.
Nope agreed. Like I said before: The audio is uncut, the footage changes.
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And do you think that's a nice thing that u don't even see the differences between MJ and a double? 8-)
All because I say a man who appears to be Michael, is Michael? :roll:
It's like saying this isn't Janet, because she looks different that she did in the '90s.
(http://www.topnews.in/files/janet_jackson23.jpg)
Janet from the 90's:
(http://z.about.com/d/top40/1/0/1/K/1/escapade.jpg)
Looks like the same gal!
Exactly, the same girl. Even though she looks older and a bit different it's the same person.
Same thing with Michael.
Oh really? Let me throw them in again:
Mike 1989, Mike 2005, Mike 2009:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
Mike 1989, Mike 2005, ? 2009:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
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Wait a minute! where is this 3. picture from? it is not in TII as i remember, so it could be edited.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
and all Michael btw
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You honestly think that WBSS, IJCSLY, Human Nature etc. were lipsynched?
Human Nature certainly wasn't - and the audio adds up. Obviously, there's going to have to be some changes in the audio to allow for the different shots but....let's just keep our feet on the ground.
And another question is - WHY?
I can almost understand why doubles would be used in dance routines like Smooth Criminal to allow the other dancers to practise properly - but what would be the point in solo songs like Human Nature and Billie Jean?
If the band needed practice then they could do it perfectly well without MJ.
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Theres a VEEEERY simple explanation to all the stuff taht you feel was LIP SYNCHED.
You see, those were rehearsals, not live concerts....So its quite obvious that there were more than ONE verisons of the same song rehearsed...Some of them, maybe, were better than the others or sounded better than the others...In saying that I am not criticizing MJ's ability to sing.....It could be that there were some minor glitches in some of the versions, say for example, a musician misses a note or a drummer misses a beat....or MJ missed a word..can happen...always happens..even with great singers....No problem, they're just rehhearsals.
So its quite obvious that the best of those versions were included in the movie but the footage included was from all the rehearsals including the faulty ones....So maybe the words didnt match the lips al the time...Not reason enough to get paranoid....And this can hppen irrespective of wether doublees were used or not.
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Wait a minute! where is this 3. picture from? it is not in TII as i remember, so it could be edited.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
and all Michael btw
Well if that 3rd one is Mike, then these 3 must all be impostors:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
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Look at the eyes
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2009/6/26/1246024286818/Michael-Jackson-002.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3949)
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Don't tell me that the first picture is an imposter :roll:
BTW..
I know we're in 2010, but not everything is possible like..
*Surgeries from already 1980's, to look like Michael 100%.
*Use 4 identical imposters, that we haven't seen for the last 8 months,
Girls, try to go outside without make up.
You will ofcourse look different, don't fool yourselves. Michael either used stage make-up, or nothing.
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Look at the eyes
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2009/6/26/1246024286818/Michael-Jackson-002.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3949)
I did, and they don't match ToM. Mike's eyes are almond shaped, '? 2009''s eyes are much rounder.
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Let's face it, we're not all going to agree. The world would be a boring place if we all agreed with everything.
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Wait a minute! where is this 3. picture from? it is not in TII as i remember, so it could be edited.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
and all Michael btw
you are all confusing me...
I already agreed that no. 3 is NOT MJ..
I think this person needs a name. I will call him "froggy" because of this special eyes...
no. 3 is the same double like in the Smooth Criminal scene of TII....
same eyes....
but what's the conclusion...
there may be a lot of doubles...what does this mean for the hoax?
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Look at the eyes
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2009/6/26/1246024286818/Michael-Jackson-002.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3949)
(http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/michael-jackson-neverland11.jpg)
the neck is the same ;)
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Interesting you say that, since we have no problem with the fact he had doubles. What I just can't believe is that people say it's all Mike in TII, since mostly it doesn't even look like him. TII has mostly, or even maybe only doubles. The only footage that could be him IMO is the small low Q footage, but that's impossible to analyze since the quality is crap. This IS important because he hoaxed his death after that, why do we see doubles in the movie? Because we do...
Q - Why is the fact that he used a double at some time important to the hoax
A - because he hoaxed his death after that
That's not a good argument. Even if every public appearance of him was a double, and ALL in TII were doubles, it still does not proof he used one at 25th. He could have used thousands of doubles, millions even and still die himself at 25th june.
i agree with you raven
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Wait a minute! where is this 3. picture from? it is not in TII as i remember, so it could be edited.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
and all Michael btw
you are all confusing me...
I already agreed that no. 3 is NOT MJ..
I think this person needs a name. I will call him "froggy" because of this special eyes...
no. 3 is the same double like in the Smooth Criminal scene of TII....
same eyes....
but what's the conclusion...
there may be a lot of doubles...what does this mean for the hoax?
Stop calling names rather is Michael or a double.
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Look at the eyes
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2009/6/26/1246024286818/Michael-Jackson-002.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3949)
I did, and they don't match ToM. Mike's eyes are almond shaped, '? 2009''s eyes are much rounder.
Your eyes are getting more tired when you're getting older. My eyes has changed drastically the last three years. And this is time period on 20-30 years. Michael looks sad. But the eyes hasn't changed that much.
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Dear Souza, look at the cheeks, they are a perfect match.
Well, if all are imposters, how do we know how the real Michael is, when you think EVERYONE in This Is It are imposters. :lol:
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And also on the point of the doubles - what do you suppose they are doing now/were doing before TII?
Just sitting in a basement waiting for 3 months of rehearsal?
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Does anyone remember the footage/pictures of MJ when he was in London with Uri Geller. They were at the Houses of Parliament/Palace Of Westminster talking about Guy Fawkes. MJ's eyes looked similar to the eyes in the last photo on this thread.
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Different shape of eyes:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/eyes.jpg)
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Okay Souza, tell me that is not Michael after you compared the eyes and the neck.
we are won Tom:D
(http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/michael-jackson-neverland11.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3949)
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some one asked for the japan trip
here it is enjoy mikes so cool here
cant you see TII man here
they are both mike.
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=VVkuppQPxhg&v=OTyWsEjGDb0[/YouTube]
oops cant get it to work to day. sorry
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Different shape of eyes:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/eyes.jpg)
Well that's shocking. A 50 year old not looking the same as someone in their early 20s. I can barely comprehend it.
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(http://msxb-d7.vo.llnw.net/CONTENT/IMAGES//69/e7e7e2bc-d5e8-4c51-9cf4-5cc76f596269.jpg)
(http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9100000/This-Is-It-Smooth-Criminal-mjs-this-is-it-9109267-695-511.jpg)
Games Over, Souzzzzzzza! You're denying yourself. I said, MJ's eyes are more sad and tired. He can't have a perfect fit face when he just passed 50 years old, and is now 51.
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Here the 2001 Mike and '? 2009' next to each other. Still no match.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/2001_2009.jpg)
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Games Over, Souzzzzzzza!
Is this a GAME to you Tom...?! I'm shocked. To us it's not a game at all...
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Here the 2001 Mike and '? 2009' next to each other. Still no match.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/2001_2009.jpg)
I'm sorry, but if you don't think that those 2 are a match then you're either blind or seriously deluded.
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Games Over, Souzzzzzzza! You're denying yourself. I said, MJ's eyes are more sad and tired. He can't have a perfect fit face when he just passed 50 years old, and is now 51.
You can't have a fit face when you are 50? You must be kidding me!
I guess your life is over when you turn 50...
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Here the 2001 Mike and '? 2009' next to each other. Still no match.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/2001_2009.jpg)
I'm sorry, but if you don't think that those 2 are a match then you're either blind or seriously deluded.
I see a perfect match the eyes mouth nose just that he's more thinner in the recent one and the eyebrows are more thick
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it is really over, just look at my post on page 19...
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Here the 2001 Mike and '? 2009' next to each other. Still no match.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/2001_2009.jpg)
I'm sorry, but if you don't think that those 2 are a match then you're either blind or seriously deluded.
I dont know Souza, I really believe they used double in TII, but after seeing these pics, I am not sure anymore...
maybe MJ looked different in TII becuz his curly hair!
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Here the 2001 Mike and '? 2009' next to each other. Still no match.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/2001_2009.jpg)
I'm sorry, but if you don't think that those 2 are a match then you're either blind or seriously deluded.
Think if me whatever you want, but try to explain his changing of appearance to me...
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Here the 2001 Mike and '? 2009' next to each other. Still no match.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/2001_2009.jpg)
I'm sorry, but if you don't think that those 2 are a match then you're either blind or seriously deluded.
Think if me whatever you want, but try to explain his changing of appearance to me...
Hairstyle?
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The question is why did he used a double?the only reasson i can find is: maybe they didn't began filming the rehearsals on day 1 bacause then it was suposed to be a tour and when all the events that lead him to hoax his death happened there was not time enough to do the film so they used doubles because MJ was very busy doing other things ( preparing the hoax ).
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Here the 2001 Mike and '? 2009' next to each other. Still no match.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/2001_2009.jpg)
I'm sorry, but if you don't think that those 2 are a match then you're either blind or seriously deluded.
I dont know Souza, I really believe they used double in TII, but after seeing these pics, I am not sure anymore...
maybe MJ looked different in TII becuz his curly hair!
Would mean he altered his chin again? Come on, the faces still don't match.
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i suppose we will all have to wait for mike to straighten us out :lol:
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Well, I spent over 50 posts in this thread, showed enough comparisation pictures to show Mike didn't change as much as they'd like us to think. Michael Jackson's big optical illusion, I guess time will tell ;)
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(http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/8631/156yp.jpg)
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(http://noob.hu/2010/02/28/mj.png)
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MJ could have a DNA test and some people will not believe it. What would constitute definitive proof?
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it is really over, just look at my post on page 19...
It ain't over till it's over...
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MJ could have a DNA test and some people will not believe it. What would constitute definitive proof?
yeap - you said it :lol:
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Here the 2001 Mike and '? 2009' next to each other. Still no match.
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/2001_2009.jpg)
I'm sorry, but if you don't think that those 2 are a match then you're either blind or seriously deluded.
I dont know Souza, I really believe they used double in TII, but after seeing these pics, I am not sure anymore...
maybe MJ looked different in TII becuz his curly hair!
well, same here!!
but the chin is different! cosmetic surgery?
maybe this MJ is not an imposter but that doesnt prove the others werent
i want it to be all MJ in the movie but you cant always get what you want
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The question is why did he used a double?the only reasson i can find is: maybe they didn't began filming the rehearsals on day 1 bacause then it was suposed to be a tour and when all the events that lead him to hoax his death happened there was not time enough to do the film so they used doubles because MJ was very busy doing other things ( preparing the hoax ).
Thank you for that question...I asked that some pages ago...no one can answer..because no one knows
@souza: I think the nose of Mr. X matches perfectly to the MJ 2001 pic
the same for the lips....I can't compare eyebrows or ears..both not recognizable at the pics..
so I think the doubles may wore masks..
that would explain the nose..and lip similarity....
and although the difference of the eyes...
but I have no explanation for the different chin..
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The question is why did he used a double?the only reasson i can find is: maybe they didn't began filming the rehearsals on day 1 bacause then it was suposed to be a tour and when all the events that lead him to hoax his death happened there was not time enough to do the film so they used doubles because MJ was very busy doing other things ( preparing the hoax ).
Thank you for that question...I asked that some pages ago...no one can answer..because no one knows
@souza: I think the nose of Mr. X matches perfectly to the MJ 2001 pic
the same for the lips....I can't compare eyebrows or ears..both not recognizable at the pics..
so I think the doubles may wore masks..
that would explain the nose..and lip similarity....
and although the difference of the eyes...
but I have no explanation for the different chin..
And add to that fact that he looked like this in 2009 as well:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
Whatever he looked like back in 2001, he sure looked like his old self again in these 2005 & 2009 pictures.
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Not even here he looks like 2009 or 97 just look at the lips how thin they are....make-up does the tricks..and also the visits to Klein. :?
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6508/025tn.jpg)
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Maybe TII isnt from 2009?
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Not even here he looks like 2009 or 97 just look at the lips how thin they are....make-up does the tricks..and also the visits to Klein. :?
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6508/025tn.jpg)
he looks happy - it makes all the difference
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(http://noob.hu/2010/02/28/mj.png)
he looks the same to me :| i don't think we will ever agree on this doubles thing due to our varying opinions and the way we perceive things
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Maybe TII isnt from 2009?
Not a chance.
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Perhaps a little break from this thread would be helpful to everyone. And then it can be revisited with fresh eyes?
Here's something to break up the tension for those who need it.
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=6458 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=6458)
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Maybe TII isnt from 2009?
Well, since Sony already admitted the audio is from 2007, who knows how old some of the shots are.
But that still doesn't explain why he changed height, shoulders, bodyshape and facial structure all in one movie.
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=3949)
IMHO this is just Michael, but the photo is photoshopped to make him look more gorgious than he already is ... ;)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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Maybe TII isnt from 2009?
Well, since Sony already admitted the audio is from 2007, who knows how old some of the shots are.
But that still doesn't explain why he changed height, shoulders, bodyshape and facial structure all in one movie.
well even earlier the this is it song was done what 18 years ago- funny how you can make millions on old material :lol:
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Maybe TII isnt from 2009?
Well, since Sony already admitted the audio is from 2007, who knows how old some of the shots are.
But that still doesn't explain why he changed height, shoulders, bodyshape and facial structure all in one movie.
Well there are for sure doubles in TII, but we are comparing wrong picture!!
the 3rd MJ is MJ. It is not the double. doubles are the ''mj's'' with glasses on. To cover their eyes! U cant lie to the EYES!
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
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Maybe TII isnt from 2009?
Well, since Sony already admitted the audio is from 2007, who knows how old some of the shots are.
But that still doesn't explain why he changed height, shoulders, bodyshape and facial structure all in one movie.
Well there are for sure doubles in TII, but we are comparing wrong picture!!
the 3rd MJ is MJ. It is not the double. doubles are the ''mj's'' with glasses on. To cover their eyes! U cant lie to the EYES!
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009.jpg)
have you got any stills
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by iMJacksonfaN » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:01 pm
~Souza~ wrote:
iMJacksonfaN wrote:One picture is bended, one is straight in the legs.
And these pictures are from YouTube, the quality is not the same. A blind man could even see that.
No ToM, a even a blind man can see that those are not the same persons!
That's what YOU THINK AND SEE BECAUSE YOU THINK SO
I agree with Tom here, if you are wearing saggy jeans and ur knees are bended, then of course the jeans will appear tighter from the front, perhaps a view from the back will show that the jeans are still a tad bigger? Also of course someone will appear shorter if they are bending.
Dancing_Machine wrote:
misha86 wrote:
Dancing_Machine wrote:]
Do you have rock solid proof it's isn't Michael?
Unless you have that, you can't assume what appears to be Michael doesn't know how to dance.
do you have proof it is him? there are mulitple pictures of him with different facials structures and yet the only "reason" for this is lighting
For me the proof is that I see Michael Jackson on those pics. Common sense doesn't lie.
It's not realistic at all to claim it's somebody else.
Do you have proof that those are doubles?
It really disturbs me when you guys don't have proof those are doubles and then make fun off his appearance by saying it can't be Michael because the cleft "looks like an ass" and call it investigating. That really disrespectful to Michael.
I don't think there were any doubles but if you want to examine wether there were doubles it can be done with respect for Michael. There's no need to make fun off HIS features!
by ilprincipe » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:06 pm
KeepTheFaith wrote:Wait a minute! where is this 3. picture from? it is not in TII as i remember, so it could be edited.
and all Michael btw
you are all confusing me...
I already agreed that no. 3 is NOT MJ..
I think this person needs a name. I will call him "froggy" because of this special eyes...
no. 3 is the same double like in the Smooth Criminal scene of TII....
same eyes....
but what's the conclusion...
there may be a lot of doubles...what does this mean for the hoax?
I agree with DM here, whether or not these men are doubles, I don't think it is appropriate for anyone to make comments such as "looks like ass" or name calling such as "froggy" simply because one is of the impression that it is not Mike. Remember, that to show disrespect for anyone is to show disrespect for yourself.
I am not of the impression that Mike used doubles in the film, I think that many of the differences can be explained by lighting, angles, and weight fluctuations as well as make-up and hair style...as a person who experiences frequent fluctuations in weight, I have experienced these differences (apparent change in the shape of my face- yes I kno it sounds strange, but it is true. I generally have a heart- shaped face, but I have seen pictures where I appear to have an oval or EVEN an elongated shaped face!) Because of this, I have a fear of taking pictures because I think I never look like myself or even look the same from picture to picture. Another example is my nose, if my head is tilted down and to the left I appear to have a str8 nose, however, if I turn a little to the right with head tilted back...much broader...I say all of that to say that we should be careful in our "analysis", because you never know...those "doubles"/humans with feelings could be reading as well...and after all they would only have been doing their job...
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Maybe TII isnt from 2009?
Well, since Sony already admitted the audio is from 2007, who knows how old some of the shots are.
But that still doesn't explain why he changed height, shoulders, bodyshape and facial structure all in one movie.
Haven't heard of that - when was this?
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i totally agree with pyt777
there must not be anything better to investigate today
leave poor mike or the doubles alone - their all beautiful
we are just like the sun and the new of the world
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by iMJacksonfaN » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:01 pm
~Souza~ wrote:
iMJacksonfaN wrote:One picture is bended, one is straight in the legs.
And these pictures are from YouTube, the quality is not the same. A blind man could even see that.
No ToM, a even a blind man can see that those are not the same persons!
That's what YOU THINK AND SEE BECAUSE YOU THINK SO
I agree with Tom here, if you are wearing saggy jeans and ur knees are bended, then of course the jeans will appear tighter from the front, perhaps a view from the back will show that the jeans are still a tad bigger? Also of course someone will appear shorter if they are bending.
Dancing_Machine wrote:
misha86 wrote:
Dancing_Machine wrote:]
Do you have rock solid proof it's isn't Michael?
Unless you have that, you can't assume what appears to be Michael doesn't know how to dance.
do you have proof it is him? there are mulitple pictures of him with different facials structures and yet the only "reason" for this is lighting
For me the proof is that I see Michael Jackson on those pics. Common sense doesn't lie.
It's not realistic at all to claim it's somebody else.
Do you have proof that those are doubles?
It really disturbs me when you guys don't have proof those are doubles and then make fun off his appearance by saying it can't be Michael because the cleft "looks like an ass" and call it investigating. That really disrespectful to Michael.
I don't think there were any doubles but if you want to examine wether there were doubles it can be done with respect for Michael. There's no need to make fun off HIS features!
by ilprincipe » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:06 pm
KeepTheFaith wrote:Wait a minute! where is this 3. picture from? it is not in TII as i remember, so it could be edited.
and all Michael btw
you are all confusing me...
I already agreed that no. 3 is NOT MJ..
I think this person needs a name. I will call him "froggy" because of this special eyes...
no. 3 is the same double like in the Smooth Criminal scene of TII....
same eyes....
but what's the conclusion...
there may be a lot of doubles...what does this mean for the hoax?
I agree with DM here, whether or not these men are doubles, I don't think it is appropriate for anyone to make comments such as "looks like ass" or name calling such as "froggy" simply because one is of the impression that it is not Mike. Remember, that to show disrespect for anyone is to show disrespect for yourself.
I am not of the impression that Mike used doubles in the film, I think that many of the differences can be explained by lighting, angles, and weight fluctuations as well as make-up and hair style...as a person who experiences frequent fluctuations in weight, I have experienced these differences (apparent change in the shape of my face- yes I kno it sounds strange, but it is true. I generally have a heart- shaped face, but I have seen pictures where I appear to have an oval or EVEN an elongated shaped face!) Because of this, I have a fear of taking pictures because I think I never look like myself or even look the same from picture to picture. Another example is my nose, if my head is tilted down and to the left I appear to have a str8 nose, however, if I turn a little to the right with head tilted back...much broader...I say all of that to say that we should be careful in our "analysis", because you never know...those "doubles"/humans with feelings could be reading as well...and after all they would only have been doing their job...
Beautiful post pyt777
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I agree 100% with pyt777 ;) ;)
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Change in height is due to the different heels of the shoes he wore! OHHH For GOd's sake!
And the eyes look different because he had all the FAT removed from beneath his eyes...Usually these small deposits of are responsible for eye bags in oldage...he didnt have them......
Its quite logical.
Apart from that I dont see any remarkable difference....excuse my ignorance.
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I agree with DM here, whether or not these men are doubles, I don't think it is appropriate for anyone to make comments such as "looks like ass" or name calling such as "froggy" simply because one is of the impression that it is not Mike. Remember, that to show disrespect for anyone is to show disrespect for yourself.
I am not of the impression that Mike used doubles in the film, I think that many of the differences can be explained by lighting, angles, and weight fluctuations as well as make-up and hair style...as a person who experiences frequent fluctuations in weight, I have experienced these differences (apparent change in the shape of my face- yes I kno it sounds strange, but it is true. I generally have a heart- shaped face, but I have seen pictures where I appear to have an oval or EVEN an elongated shaped face!) Because of this, I have a fear of taking pictures because I think I never look like myself or even look the same from picture to picture. Another example is my nose, if my head is tilted down and to the left I appear to have a str8 nose, however, if I turn a little to the right with head tilted back...much broader...I say all of that to say that we should be careful in our "analysis", because you never know...those "doubles"/humans with feelings could be reading as well...and after all they would only have been doing their job...
I am not bashing the doubles, I am only saying they don't look like Mike. The cleft of '? 2009' is too long, so is the chin. If there wasn't another 2009 picture of him you could have said he altered the chin again, yet we have a pic of him in 2009 with the cleft he has had for years. And that was taken 1 day after we saw O2 dude with the long cleft, so after O2 he changed his cleft back to the old one (in one day) and after that he changed it again to the long cleft for TII? I find that very hard to believe. Too many differences in the face between the March 6 picture and the TII pictures.
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So in that case the question would be: WHY doubles in TII? Was that his choice, or is AEG playing a sick game here?
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This photo also from TII and also gorious, but 100% Michael.
Photoshopped to make him look better than he already looked.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/1z1xxkz.jpg)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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You might try the mirror image for starters.
Pay extra attention to upper lip, his left side: slightly larger than other side.
(http://newimages.fotopic.net/?iid=11t9j8&outx=600&noresize=1&nostamp=1)
MATCH.
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You might try the mirror image for starters.
Pay extra attention to upper lip, his left side: slightly larger than other side.
(http://newimages.fotopic.net/?iid=11t9j8&outx=600&noresize=1&nostamp=1)
MATCH.
Yep, and "cleft" is slightly disappearing.
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by iMJacksonfaN » Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:01 pm
~Souza~ wrote:
iMJacksonfaN wrote:One picture is bended, one is straight in the legs.
And these pictures are from YouTube, the quality is not the same. A blind man could even see that.
No ToM, a even a blind man can see that those are not the same persons!
That's what YOU THINK AND SEE BECAUSE YOU THINK SO
I agree with Tom here, if you are wearing saggy jeans and ur knees are bended, then of course the jeans will appear tighter from the front, perhaps a view from the back will show that the jeans are still a tad bigger? Also of course someone will appear shorter if they are bending.
Dancing_Machine wrote:
misha86 wrote:
Dancing_Machine wrote:]
Do you have rock solid proof it's isn't Michael?
Unless you have that, you can't assume what appears to be Michael doesn't know how to dance.
do you have proof it is him? there are mulitple pictures of him with different facials structures and yet the only "reason" for this is lighting
For me the proof is that I see Michael Jackson on those pics. Common sense doesn't lie.
It's not realistic at all to claim it's somebody else.
Do you have proof that those are doubles?
It really disturbs me when you guys don't have proof those are doubles and then make fun off his appearance by saying it can't be Michael because the cleft "looks like an ass" and call it investigating. That really disrespectful to Michael.
I don't think there were any doubles but if you want to examine wether there were doubles it can be done with respect for Michael. There's no need to make fun off HIS features!
by ilprincipe » Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:06 pm
KeepTheFaith wrote:Wait a minute! where is this 3. picture from? it is not in TII as i remember, so it could be edited.
and all Michael btw
you are all confusing me...
I already agreed that no. 3 is NOT MJ..
I think this person needs a name. I will call him "froggy" because of this special eyes...
no. 3 is the same double like in the Smooth Criminal scene of TII....
same eyes....
but what's the conclusion...
there may be a lot of doubles...what does this mean for the hoax?
I agree with DM here, whether or not these men are doubles, I don't think it is appropriate for anyone to make comments such as "looks like ass" or name calling such as "froggy" simply because one is of the impression that it is not Mike. Remember, that to show disrespect for anyone is to show disrespect for yourself.
I am not of the impression that Mike used doubles in the film, I think that many of the differences can be explained by lighting, angles, and weight fluctuations as well as make-up and hair style...as a person who experiences frequent fluctuations in weight, I have experienced these differences (apparent change in the shape of my face- yes I kno it sounds strange, but it is true. I generally have a heart- shaped face, but I have seen pictures where I appear to have an oval or EVEN an elongated shaped face!) Because of this, I have a fear of taking pictures because I think I never look like myself or even look the same from picture to picture. Another example is my nose, if my head is tilted down and to the left I appear to have a str8 nose, however, if I turn a little to the right with head tilted back...much broader...I say all of that to say that we should be careful in our "analysis", because you never know...those "doubles"/humans with feelings could be reading as well...and after all they would only have been doing their job...
Totally agree, pyt777 :D
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You might try the mirror image for starters.
Pay extra attention to upper lip, his left side: slightly larger than other side.
(http://newimages.fotopic.net/?iid=11t9j8&outx=600&noresize=1&nostamp=1)
MATCH.
Yep, and "cleft" is slightly disappearing.
Second picture the depth of cleft is accentuated because of black stubbles.
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Thanks, PYT.
This is not the important thing, wether there are doubles or not.
Maybe there is doubles, but none of the pictures here are doubles. A stunt man was most likely used when it came to jumping through a window, but that's not a double. That's just an actor, we never saw his face..
The truth will prevail..
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So in that case the question would be: WHY doubles in TII? Was that his choice, or is AEG playing a sick game here?
I know eh! the only reason I wasnt going mad because of the idea of him using doubles like some memebers here are is because I was thinking MJ is behind it all, its ok it has a purpose! but now I dont know... it could be AEG!!! but wouldnt they have used only one double?
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So I guess O2 dude was Mike then:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/377.jpg)
But then I am lost as to who these 3 guys are, can someone tell me who they are?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
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hm. I was always so sure, that in This is it are NO doubles except the stuntman for Smooth Criminal....But I'm really starting to have my doubts.....
But what does it mean, that he has this doubles? That he already disappeared before June 25th?
left and middle are the real Michael in my opinion! on the pictures under o2 mike
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So I guess O2 dude was Mike then:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/377.jpg)
But then I am lost as to who these 3 guys are, can someone tell me who they are?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Same person Souza.
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Et cette photos??
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I know the last pic is the real one cause I heard him speak in the movie and he was so cute bubbling his gum!
Without teeth?! Deffa cool moof....
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Et cette photos??
You can see the scar like feature at his lower lip very well on both pictures on the left
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Okay, I give up. Have fun with O2 dude, I'll stick with Mike 8-)
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Hey Souza en MO, Ik kan dit niet in het engels uitleggen, maar als je naar de lach van O2 MJ kijkt, op de foto hierboven... dan zie je de mondhoeken naar beneden komen! en die lach lijkt HEEEL ERG op die van MJ!
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Michael heeft een soort lidteken langs zn onderlip aan zijn linkerkant...kun je ook eens op letten
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Hey Souza en MO, Ik kan dit niet in het engels uitleggen, maar als je naar de lach van O2 MJ kijkt, op de foto hierboven... dan zie je de mondhoeken naar beneden komen! en die lach lijkt HEEEL ERG op die van MJ!
Hey Souza and MO, I can not explain in English, but if you look at the smile of O2 MJ looks at the photo above ... then you see the mouth corners to come! and that smile looks much like that of MJ!
True :D
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Michael heeft een soort lidteken langs zn onderlip aan zijn linkerkant...kun je ook eens op letten
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearan ... ss/006.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearances/o2press/006.jpg)
O2 dude has the scar as well, at least they put some effort into it. But do you think O2 dude is Mike?
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Même conferenceO2 Différentes, photographies Deux, deux nez??
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The o2 guy was him for sure.the only fake was the ambulance photo. :D
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The o2 guy was him for sure.the only fake was the ambulance photo. :D
Which O2 dude?
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1507 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1507)
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The o2 guy was him for sure.the only fake was the ambulance photo. :D
Which O2 dude?
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1507 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1507)
Maybe MJ took some PICs in a studio, with red curtain in the background... after he saw we knew MJ dude (outside) is fake..
thats why I often think O2 dude is fake, and in some pics, like the pic (with the laugh) its 100% MJ himself
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Michael heeft een soort lidteken langs zn onderlip aan zijn linkerkant...kun je ook eens op letten
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearan ... ss/006.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearances/o2press/006.jpg)
O2 dude has the scar as well, at least they put some effort into it. But do you think O2 dude is Mike?
Christ.
So you're even admitting the O2 guy has the SAME SCAR but is a different person?
I put the question to you again:
What the hell has this so called double been doing all his life? Has he existed for the 4 months when TII was announced and rehearsed?
What is he doing now? Locked in a basement? He wouldn't be able to be seen by ANYONE.
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The o2 guy was him for sure.the only fake was the ambulance photo. :D
Which O2 dude?
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1507 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1507)
There's only one in my opinion...slap me for thinking this way i'll turn the other cheek :|
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Michael heeft een soort lidteken langs zn onderlip aan zijn linkerkant...kun je ook eens op letten
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearan ... ss/006.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearances/o2press/006.jpg)
O2 dude has the scar as well, at least they put some effort into it. But do you think O2 dude is Mike?
Yes it's Michael, he does not look well, but it is him definately.
Another mark. His left nasal opening is pointy at the top.
SBS6 right now.. MJ docu
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Michael heeft een soort lidteken langs zn onderlip aan zijn linkerkant...kun je ook eens op letten
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearan ... ss/006.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearances/o2press/006.jpg)
O2 dude has the scar as well, at least they put some effort into it. But do you think O2 dude is Mike?
Yes it's Michael, he does not look well, but it is him definately.
Another mark. His left nasal opening is pointy at the top.
SBS6 right now.. MJ docu
watching..
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Seems like it's at least three marks/scars.
You can clearly see his lips has 'been through' a make-up.
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7949/threemarks.png)
I read that a vitiligo-victim's skin will turn gray. So if he don't use make up, he will look different. He have had vitiligo for like 22 years?
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The o2 guy was him for sure.the only fake was the ambulance photo. :D
And if the guy on stage was Mike, then who is the guy behind the curtain?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/O2_2.jpg)
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Seems like it's at least three marks/scars.
You can clearly see his lips has 'been through' a make-up.
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7949/threemarks.png)
THIS IS FOR SURE MJ!!!! IN A STUDIO!!! look his glasses, u see the reflection of something (LIGHTSS???)
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The o2 guy was him for sure.the only fake was the ambulance photo. :D
And if the guy on stage was Mike, then who is the guy behind the curtain?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/O2_2.jpg)
Yawn. Lighting. Plus, why on earth would he turn up to a press conference, appear in full view of cameras, and then have a double stand in for him?
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SOUZA n MO, watach SBS 6, they just claimed they used doubles in TII!!! JUST WATCH!!!
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The o2 guy was him for sure.the only fake was the ambulance photo. :D
And if the guy on stage was Mike, then who is the guy behind the curtain?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/O2_2.jpg)
It's him coming from the backstage on stage.or it's AEG trying to erase traces of something...(i'm going KarenFaye now) :lol:
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The o2 guy was him for sure.the only fake was the ambulance photo. :D
And if the guy on stage was Mike, then who is the guy behind the curtain?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/O2_2.jpg)
Yawn. Lighting. Plus, why on earth would he turn up to a press conference, appear in full view of cameras, and then have a double stand in for him?
I've seen that picture, but I've never seen this MJ while MJ was on-stage,
So I wonder why no one saw him, and why this guy that got this photo, didn't sell it to the media..
Photoshop is easy, if you know how to use it.
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SOUZA n MO, watach SBS 6, they just claimed they used doubles in TII!!! JUST WATCH!!!
Watching ;)
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Seems like it's at least three marks/scars.
You can clearly see his lips has 'been through' a make-up.
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7949/threemarks.png)
THIS IS FOR SURE MJ!!!! IN A STUDIO!!! look his glasses, u see the reflection of something (LIGHTSS???)
Lights?
At a press conference?
Never :o
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Michael heeft een soort lidteken langs zn onderlip aan zijn linkerkant...kun je ook eens op letten
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearan ... ss/006.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearances/o2press/006.jpg)
O2 dude has the scar as well, at least they put some effort into it. But do you think O2 dude is Mike?
Yes it's Michael, he does not look well, but it is him definately.
Another mark. His left nasal opening is pointy at the top.
SBS6 right now.. MJ docu
watching..
Wow, thanks for sharing this, didn't know about it, watching it right now!
p.s. I also believe dat O2 guy is Michael, no doubt about it!!!!
The Michael behind the curtain is the same one, only different lighting.
No plastic surgery can give someone such similarity.
I guess the only double in TII is the stuntman in Smooth Criminal.
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Seems like it's at least three marks/scars.
You can clearly see his lips has 'been through' a make-up.
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7949/threemarks.png)
THIS IS FOR SURE MJ!!!! IN A STUDIO!!! look his glasses, u see the reflection of something (LIGHTSS???)
Lights?
At a press conference?
Never :o
Really??than what are those ""creatures" in the corners of the stage? i think we should be more careful in investigating...before jumping in conclusions
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4954/395c.jpg)
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Seems like it's at least three marks/scars.
You can clearly see his lips has 'been through' a make-up.
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7949/threemarks.png)
THIS IS FOR SURE MJ!!!! IN A STUDIO!!! look his glasses, u see the reflection of something (LIGHTSS???)
Lights?
At a press conference?
Never :o
thats what i am sayin, THE REAL MJ WAS IN A STUDIO, save, from AEG!!!
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[youtube:1kkj2krg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5JulslECmo[/youtube:1kkj2krg]
1:00 :O !!!!!!! we was suppose to be on the this is it tour or something :S
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Seems like it's at least three marks/scars.
You can clearly see his lips has 'been through' a make-up.
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7949/threemarks.png)
THIS IS FOR SURE MJ!!!! IN A STUDIO!!! look his glasses, u see the reflection of something (LIGHTSS???)
Lights?
At a press conference?
Never :o
thats what i am sayin, THE REAL MJ WAS IN A STUDIO, save, from AEG!!!
Bloody hell. I was being sarcastic.
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The 02 mj looks like the mj that was at james brown`s funeral in 2006.Would mike send a double to jb`s funeral? to be honest i don`t think so as he loved him so much.
I am well confused over this, do we know what the real michael jackson looks like any more?
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Interesting Docu on Dutch TV, a lot is in English. Doubles in TII are mentioned: http://www.sbs6.nl/web/show/id=389059/l ... 537/page=1 (http://www.sbs6.nl/web/show/id=389059/langid=43/media=147537/page=1)
Thursday another one about the speculations surrounding his death (hoax?)
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The official O2 pics were all photoshopped - although it is so visible that it must have been done either by unprofessionals or in a real hurry. But if they would have been in a hurry, they would have released several pics and leaked the others later. So my conclusion is that the O2 pictures - despite so much effort was put into "making believe" it was a huge event - were photoshopped by people not knowing how to do it right or the miserable outcome was on purpose to draw attention to it.
The pics at the cinema one day later are not photoshopped as well as the one from behind the curtain.
O2 announcement was an "all bluff incorporated" show - check the pictures giving the full scene with camera, light, spectators - what a miserable location, what a miserable tiny curtain for the King of Pop. They tried with as little effort as necessary to achieve a publicity take for the world tour announcement. Cheap and ugly if you ask me.
I have no doubt from the parts of the pictures that they forgot to photoshop (they really did a very miserable job) that it was all Michael.
For the doubles there is no doubt they were used - but not at O2 announcement.
For a double you don't need all those hounds keeping a watching eye on Michael if he did it right or not. O2 was Michael in a goldfish bowl for which reason ever.
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Michael heeft een soort lidteken langs zn onderlip aan zijn linkerkant...kun je ook eens op letten
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearan ... ss/006.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearances/o2press/006.jpg)
O2 dude has the scar as well, at least they put some effort into it. But do you think O2 dude is Mike?
Yes it's Michael, he does not look well, but it is him definately.
Another mark. His left nasal opening is pointy at the top.
SBS6 right now.. MJ docu
Well Raven, did you hear what Navi said...? He is SURE doubles are used in This Is It...
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Michael heeft een soort lidteken langs zn onderlip aan zijn linkerkant...kun je ook eens op letten
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearan ... ss/006.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearances/o2press/006.jpg)
O2 dude has the scar as well, at least they put some effort into it. But do you think O2 dude is Mike?
Yes it's Michael, he does not look well, but it is him definately.
Another mark. His left nasal opening is pointy at the top.
SBS6 right now.. MJ docu
Well Raven, did you hear what Navi said...? He is SURE doubles are used in This Is It...
Navi knows Michael´s "body language" so WELL!
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The official O2 pics were all photoshopped - although it is so visible that it must have been done either by unprofessionals or in a real hurry. But if they would have been in a hurry, they would release several pics and leak the others later. So my conclusion is that the O2 pictures - despite so much effort was put into "making believe" it was a huge event - were photoshopped by people not knowing how to do it right or the miserable outcome was on purpose to draw attention to it.
The pics at the cinema one day later are not photoshopped as well as the one from behind the curtain.
O2 announcement was an "all bluff incorporated" show - check the pictures giving the full scene with camera, light, spectators - what a miserable location, what a miserable tiny curtain for the King of Pop. They tried with as little effort as necessary to achieve a publicity take for the world tour announcement. Cheap and ugly if you ask me.
I have no doubt from the parts of the pictures that they forgot to photoshop (they really did a very miserable job) that it was all Michael.
For the doubles there is no doubt they were used - but not at O2 announcement.
For a double you don't need all those hounds keeping a watching eye on Michael if he did it right or not. O2 was Michael in a goldfish bowl for which reason ever.
How do you explain that "the world press was present at the O2 conference" yet all the pics taken came from WENN?
In my opinion, O2 was staged as hell...
In all these months, have we found ONE SINGLE FAN who was present there? No! How do you explain all the pics showing the present 'fans' holding up cameras and cell phones, yet NO pics other then the ones from WENN have emerged yet..? Come on, MySpace and Facebook would have been flooded with those pics IF fans would have attended that press conference...
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Navi said " why fake your death when u can create your world"
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Games Over, Souzzzzzzza! You're denying yourself. I said, MJ's eyes are more sad and tired. He can't have a perfect fit face when he just passed 50 years old, and is now 51.
You can't have a fit face when you are 50? You must be kidding me!
I guess your life is over when you turn 50...
Ohhh maaaaan....I guess my life is about over. NOBODY TOLD ME!!! :) Actually, I've been finding this rather funny because I am 48 and the one thing that really hasn't changed much about me is my eyes.
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The official O2 pics were all photoshopped - although it is so visible that it must have been done either by unprofessionals or in a real hurry. But if they would have been in a hurry, they would release several pics and leak the others later. So my conclusion is that the O2 pictures - despite so much effort was put into "making believe" it was a huge event - were photoshopped by people not knowing how to do it right or the miserable outcome was on purpose to draw attention to it.
The pics at the cinema one day later are not photoshopped as well as the one from behind the curtain.
O2 announcement was an "all bluff incorporated" show - check the pictures giving the full scene with camera, light, spectators - what a miserable location, what a miserable tiny curtain for the King of Pop. They tried with as little effort as necessary to achieve a publicity take for the world tour announcement. Cheap and ugly if you ask me.
I have no doubt from the parts of the pictures that they forgot to photoshop (they really did a very miserable job) that it was all Michael.
For the doubles there is no doubt they were used - but not at O2 announcement.
For a double you don't need all those hounds keeping a watching eye on Michael if he did it right or not. O2 was Michael in a goldfish bowl for which reason ever.
How do you explain that "the world press was present at the O2 conference" yet all the pics taken came from WENN?
In my opinion, O2 was staged as hell...
In all these months, have we found ONE SINGLE FAN who was present there? No! How do you explain all the pics showing the present 'fans' holding up cameras and cell phones, yet NO pics other then the ones from WENN have emerged yet..? Come on, MySpace and Facebook would have been flooded with those pics IF fans would have attended that press conference...
There is a fan vid at the O2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnxqRdSX78E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnxqRdSX78E)
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Another fan vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mmqi7ppedk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mmqi7ppedk)
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What I find odd about the above fan video is that it supposedly was uploaded to YouTube eleven months ago but there are only twenty four comments. These comments date back just for the last four months. If we are to believe this video really was put onto YT back in March 09, why are there no comments from say March to September?
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The official O2 pics were all photoshopped - although it is so visible that it must have been done either by unprofessionals or in a real hurry. But if they would have been in a hurry, they would release several pics and leak the others later. So my conclusion is that the O2 pictures - despite so much effort was put into "making believe" it was a huge event - were photoshopped by people not knowing how to do it right or the miserable outcome was on purpose to draw attention to it.
The pics at the cinema one day later are not photoshopped as well as the one from behind the curtain.
O2 announcement was an "all bluff incorporated" show - check the pictures giving the full scene with camera, light, spectators - what a miserable location, what a miserable tiny curtain for the King of Pop. They tried with as little effort as necessary to achieve a publicity take for the world tour announcement. Cheap and ugly if you ask me.
I have no doubt from the parts of the pictures that they forgot to photoshop (they really did a very miserable job) that it was all Michael.
For the doubles there is no doubt they were used - but not at O2 announcement.
For a double you don't need all those hounds keeping a watching eye on Michael if he did it right or not. O2 was Michael in a goldfish bowl for which reason ever.
How do you explain that "the world press was present at the O2 conference" yet all the pics taken came from WENN?
In my opinion, O2 was staged as hell...
In all these months, have we found ONE SINGLE FAN who was present there? No! How do you explain all the pics showing the present 'fans' holding up cameras and cell phones, yet NO pics other then the ones from WENN have emerged yet..? Come on, MySpace and Facebook would have been flooded with those pics IF fans would have attended that press conference...
Mo, the O2 may have been staged - I did not say anything about a "real" or "not real" announcement.
I said that it was all Michael IMO because I checked the pictures and they are of very bad quality of rework - just to make him look younger. They did work far too sloppy and that's why the result lets Michael appear so strange. They removed everything that looked like a wrinkle or scar or shadow or beard hair. The video has been reworked as well - the colour of the skin is terribly yellow. It hurts the eye.
Either they wanted it cheap as hell or it is done on purpose to draw attention to it.
Both does not contradict a staging of the whole thing. I cannot imagine a die-hard fan waiting for so-said 5 hours and then still screaming his lungs out (as we have seen from the two fan videos).
I have no explanation for the missing fan pictures either.
But if it was staged then it could have been possible that a) the cameras were fake as the hired screamers and the other staff, b) the camera contents were / had to be deleted at leaving the location (for copyright infringement reasons - Sony is getting tough on that as we know)
Watching the O2 announcement always gives me chills when I see not only Thome Thome cold as ice and like a panzer watching the scene and Michael papering over the cracks with some boyish smile and swaying like "it's all fine" despite nothing is fine at all. Look at the faces of the surrounding "staff". Not one glimpse of sympathy for Michael.
That's where I got the "drowned alive" impression of a fish bowl from where Michael was watched from all sides but could NOT move (and David Blaine's poster is one of the things stuck and unresolved in my mind.) Not to forget the "free Willy" motive in TII.
Maybe Michael was forced into O2 (staged yes or no).
But this does not mean that he is not fine now.
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So in that case the question would be: WHY doubles in TII? Was that his choice, or is AEG playing a sick game here?
I speculate that the doubles play the different Michael Jacksons that the media likes to report about and portray him as.
The drug addict.
The overgrown kid who never grew up.
The wacked out weirdo.
The effeminate gay man.
The emacited old man.
TII is Michael's statement that these guys are OBVIOUSLY not him... by appearing split screen right next to them.
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That's where I got the "drowned alive" impression of a fish bowl from where Michael was watched from all sides but could NOT move (and David Blaine's poster is one of the things stuck and unresolved in my mind.) Not to forget the "free Willy" motive in TII.
Grace,
Can you clarify what you mean by "free Willy" motive? Are you referring to anything more than the whale in Earth Song?
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That's where I got the "drowned alive" impression of a fish bowl from where Michael was watched from all sides but could NOT move (and David Blaine's poster is one of the things stuck and unresolved in my mind.) Not to forget the "free Willy" motive in TII.
Grace,
Can you clarify what you mean by "free Willy" motive? Are you referring to anything more than the whale in Earth Song?
That's what I am thinking of. This is a very strong motive just like the forest lawn. TII holds many story layers.
It is also about "Air to breath" - and for this the doubles were needed.
You cannot do everything alone in such a project. This is impossible.
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Make up and shadow can make features look different.
In the Smooth Criminal pic he is wearing a hat and heavy make up.
Thats true!! I had worked on a beauty salon and I know that the make up artist use some make up on peoples nose to make it look thiner or different and in pictures with the light and everything, the nose looks really different...
Well, i AM a make-up artist and i'm saying that you can change a lot of things with make up, but NOT the teeth, NOT the ears, and NOT the whole face... :roll:
:) I know that you cant change the whole face with make up.. ;) but the NOSE can look different in a picture with some make up, the lighting and the angle of the pic...
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This thread is getting ridiculous.
What some people in here are saying, is: "Michael Jackson doesn't exist!"
The reason is, whatever I post of pictures of Michael Joe Jackson, some people believe strongly it's an impersonator. You think Michael Joe Jackson isn't himself, because he is not allowed to change in your minds! Michael Jackson is so much more than just a media target. Some people believe it's not Michael Joe Jackson, because he for some reason change his look all the time.
You got to realize it, the lad became a man! This is an age difference from 1988 to 2009.. 21 Years!
(http://msxb-d7.vo.llnw.net/CONTENT/IMAGES//69/e7e7e2bc-d5e8-4c51-9cf4-5cc76f596269.jpg)
(http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9100000/This-Is-It-Smooth-Criminal-mjs-this-is-it-9109267-695-511.jpg)
I don't know if you know, but he looked like this.. :
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2009/6/26/1246024286818/Michael-Jackson-002.jpg)
But ended up like this..:
(http://blog.taragana.com/e/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/michael-jackson-memorial_service_over.jpg)
I don't know what you believe, or "know".. But Michael changed. Maybe he changed in This Is It,
but WE DON'T KNOW for how long they have been doing This Is It rehearsals..
Not all pictures look the same, you yourself know that. Michael Joe Jackson looks different each time he is going outside his house. Soon some people will believe in the theory: Michael Jackson died black, impersonators has been used since..
I don't know what you actually believe.. But once again.. Michael Joe Jackson is 50 years! He is not longer 42 from the Reunion with his brothers, Michael is not longer the lad from 1980's and 90's..
He is 50! It's limits for a 50 year old man with lupus, what he is capable to do. "His moves doesn't look good, he dance like an impersonator.." Yeah.. Maybe he does, he is not 20,30 or 40 years.. He is 50..
Now, the LAST thing for you believers of "Michael Jackson didn't really exist; Cause there were only impersonators of Michael.." Go to the mirror, or pick up your camera.
Try to look..
-Serious; Relaxed, Try to take in the cheeks..
-Exited; Happy, close your eyes to focus, try to bit your lips.
-Sad; Serious, Relaxed, Curious, Tired..
-Rough; Take your lips together, Focused on something, Slowly breath..
These four "try to look" are how Michael is on these pictures.. Good luck!
If you're still not convinced that all four are Michael.. Uhm.. Then you did never knew who MJ was, because all you saw was impersonators.. You're saying MJ is an imposter now, so how are you sure that Michael actually is alive? How can we know how he looks like then? Which health he is in or not..
Bravo...excellent post!
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Picture of MJ with no make up:
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^^^ he's so gorgeous.
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I know the last pic is the real one cause I heard him speak in the movie and he was so cute bubbling his gum!
Without teeth?! Deffa cool moof....
What do you mean I donrt understand sorry
how do you know he doesnt have teeth? were you his dentist for the day!!! he sounds funny because of the way hes chewing his gum, i do it all the time when i play around with my gum noone understands me, logic people logic!
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Picture of MJ with no make up:
Where did you get that photo?
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[youtube:baqfdb33]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5JulslECmo[/youtube:baqfdb33]
1:00 :O !!!!!!! we was suppose to be on the this is it tour or something :S
And now I have a crush on Earnest Valentino. Thanks.
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[quote="*Mo
How do you explain that "the world press was present at the O2 conference" yet all the pics taken came from WENN?
In my opinion, O2 was staged as hell...
In all these months, have we found ONE SINGLE FAN who was present there? No! How do you explain all the pics showing the present 'fans' holding up cameras and cell phones, yet NO pics other then the ones from WENN have emerged yet..? Come on, MySpace and Facebook would have been flooded with those pics IF fans would have attended that press conference...[/quote]
well werent there fan videos on youtube...and there was a member on here that said they were there, I dont remember who but I think it was a topic on a telepromter because they were saying he/she saw someone setting it up....
but that doesnt prove it wasnt a double though...
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Seems like it's at least three marks/scars.
You can clearly see his lips has 'been through' a make-up.
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7949/threemarks.png)
THIS IS FOR SURE MJ!!!! IN A STUDIO!!! look his glasses, u see the reflection of something (LIGHTSS???)
Lights?
At a press conference?
Never :o
Really??than what are those ""creatures" in the corners of the stage? i think we should be more careful in investigating...before jumping in conclusions
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4954/395c.jpg)
Because of the lights at O2, he wore sun glasses. Must be a 'pain in the ass' to take those glasses off. Cause the lights are STRONG!
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For me the proof is that I see Michael Jackson on those pics. Common sense doesn't lie.
It's not realistic at all to claim it's somebody else
. its not realistic to ignore the physical differences in these people and just assume they are mike. Your only seeing mike in all the pictures because thats what you want to see, there is plenty of photographic evidence that these are all not the same people...
Do you have proof that those are doubles? :roll:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/tii1.jpg)
please explain how his ears are bigger in the first picture and not in the 2nd? again you are only seeing what you want to see
It really disturbs me when you guys don't have proof those are doubles
you keep saying this and yet there are PLENTY of pictures that show the difference in facial features in 3months...you have not supplied 1 thing to show that IT IS mike other than "you see mike"
and then make fun off his appearance by saying it can't be Michael because the cleft "looks like an ass" and call it investigating. That really disrespectful to Michael.
lmao no its not disrepectful, mikes chin doesnt look like an ass, thats other guys does therefore i am not making fun of him, mike has had a cleft since what 1987 and it has never extended that far! but again you seem to ignore that shit its must be mike :roll:
I don't think there were any doubles but if you want to examine wether there were doubles it can be done with respect for Michael. There's no need to make fun off HIS features
and for the last time THAT IS NOT MIKE! you can go to his website and look at ALL the pictures from the bad era and on , even at the annoucement, and he has never ever ever had a cleft like that!
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Picture of MJ with no make up:
look at his chin and nose on this picture and then compare this to the 3rd and 4th pictures that were posted in first comment..how can you say that all 3 of them are the same person??? :lol:
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The official O2 pics were all photoshopped - although it is so visible that it must have been done either by unprofessionals or in a real hurry. But if they would have been in a hurry, they would release several pics and leak the others later. So my conclusion is that the O2 pictures - despite so much effort was put into "making believe" it was a huge event - were photoshopped by people not knowing how to do it right or the miserable outcome was on purpose to draw attention to it.
The pics at the cinema one day later are not photoshopped as well as the one from behind the curtain.
O2 announcement was an "all bluff incorporated" show - check the pictures giving the full scene with camera, light, spectators - what a miserable location, what a miserable tiny curtain for the King of Pop. They tried with as little effort as necessary to achieve a publicity take for the world tour announcement. Cheap and ugly if you ask me.
I have no doubt from the parts of the pictures that they forgot to photoshop (they really did a very miserable job) that it was all Michael.
For the doubles there is no doubt they were used - but not at O2 announcement.
For a double you don't need all those hounds keeping a watching eye on Michael if he did it right or not. O2 was Michael in a goldfish bowl for which reason ever.
How do you explain that "the world press was present at the O2 conference" yet all the pics taken came from WENN?
In my opinion, O2 was staged as hell...
In all these months, have we found ONE SINGLE FAN who was present there? No! How do you explain all the pics showing the present 'fans' holding up cameras and cell phones, yet NO pics other then the ones from WENN have emerged yet..? Come on, MySpace and Facebook would have been flooded with those pics IF fans would have attended that press conference...
I definitely agree with you, Mo, it was staged as all get out, but I remember last March that there were a couple of people who said that they were going and then came back and said they went and took pics.. If anyone could look at the back pages of Anything For News at MaxJax, I hafta go to sleepy now..
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found this one:
[youtube:1t1z0q9c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewE6CIGUyUM[/youtube:1t1z0q9c]
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and here's another one, a better one:
[youtube:3v4yjkq1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mmqi7ppedk[/youtube:3v4yjkq1]
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How do you explain the fact that the supposed double was singing in the film?
Orange pants MJ was singing (WBSS, Speechless, Human Nature, Smooth Criminal, TWYMMF
Red shirt MJ was singing (WBSS, Human Nature, TWYMMF, J5 medley
Shoulder-pads jacket MJ was singing (human nature, IJCSLY
Gold pants MJ was singing (Human Nature)
Gold Jacket MJ was singing (I'll be there)
Billie Jean + MITM also had live bits to them...
So unless there were MJ doubles who also shared the same ability to sing, then how do you explain that?
The close-ups appeared to be the real MJ - on several occasions, some further away shots of the red pants MJ did not appear to be the real MJ - IMHO.
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Navi was asked to do work in TII but could not make it - so if Navi was asked and couldn't make it, someone else must have done it.
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The official O2 pics were all photoshopped - although it is so visible that it must have been done either by unprofessionals or in a real hurry. But if they would have been in a hurry, they would release several pics and leak the others later. So my conclusion is that the O2 pictures - despite so much effort was put into "making believe" it was a huge event - were photoshopped by people not knowing how to do it right or the miserable outcome was on purpose to draw attention to it.
The pics at the cinema one day later are not photoshopped as well as the one from behind the curtain.
O2 announcement was an "all bluff incorporated" show - check the pictures giving the full scene with camera, light, spectators - what a miserable location, what a miserable tiny curtain for the King of Pop. They tried with as little effort as necessary to achieve a publicity take for the world tour announcement. Cheap and ugly if you ask me.
I have no doubt from the parts of the pictures that they forgot to photoshop (they really did a very miserable job) that it was all Michael.
For the doubles there is no doubt they were used - but not at O2 announcement.
For a double you don't need all those hounds keeping a watching eye on Michael if he did it right or not. O2 was Michael in a goldfish bowl for which reason ever.
How do you explain that "the world press was present at the O2 conference" yet all the pics taken came from WENN?
In my opinion, O2 was staged as hell...
In all these months, have we found ONE SINGLE FAN who was present there? No! How do you explain all the pics showing the present 'fans' holding up cameras and cell phones, yet NO pics other then the ones from WENN have emerged yet..? Come on, MySpace and Facebook would have been flooded with those pics IF fans would have attended that press conference...
My work colleague was at the 02 Press Conference so I know it wasn't staged but if you want to think it was staged you are obviously at liberty to do so - I only live 30 mins away from there and I know others who went also but my colleague was able to discuss it with me. She says she has never seen Michael looking so odd and is not sure whether it was actually him or not. I am not too sure about 02 guy myself but I definitely think there was a double in TII (not counting the stunt double).
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The official O2 pics were all photoshopped - although it is so visible that it must have been done either by unprofessionals or in a real hurry. But if they would have been in a hurry, they would release several pics and leak the others later. So my conclusion is that the O2 pictures - despite so much effort was put into "making believe" it was a huge event - were photoshopped by people not knowing how to do it right or the miserable outcome was on purpose to draw attention to it.
The pics at the cinema one day later are not photoshopped as well as the one from behind the curtain.
O2 announcement was an "all bluff incorporated" show - check the pictures giving the full scene with camera, light, spectators - what a miserable location, what a miserable tiny curtain for the King of Pop. They tried with as little effort as necessary to achieve a publicity take for the world tour announcement. Cheap and ugly if you ask me.
I have no doubt from the parts of the pictures that they forgot to photoshop (they really did a very miserable job) that it was all Michael.
For the doubles there is no doubt they were used - but not at O2 announcement.
For a double you don't need all those hounds keeping a watching eye on Michael if he did it right or not. O2 was Michael in a goldfish bowl for which reason ever.
How do you explain that "the world press was present at the O2 conference" yet all the pics taken came from WENN?
In my opinion, O2 was staged as hell...
In all these months, have we found ONE SINGLE FAN who was present there? No! How do you explain all the pics showing the present 'fans' holding up cameras and cell phones, yet NO pics other then the ones from WENN have emerged yet..? Come on, MySpace and Facebook would have been flooded with those pics IF fans would have attended that press conference...
Mo, the O2 may have been staged - I did not say anything about a "real" or "not real" announcement.
I said that it was all Michael IMO because I checked the pictures and they are of very bad quality of rework - just to make him look younger. They did work far too sloppy and that's why the result lets Michael appear so strange. They removed everything that looked like a wrinkle or scar or shadow or beard hair. The video has been reworked as well - the colour of the skin is terribly yellow. It hurts the eye.
Either they wanted it cheap as hell or it is done on purpose to draw attention to it.
Both does not contradict a staging of the whole thing. I cannot imagine a die-hard fan waiting for so-said 5 hours and then still screaming his lungs out (as we have seen from the two fan videos).
I have no explanation for the missing fan pictures either.
But if it was staged then it could have been possible that a) the cameras were fake as the hired screamers and the other staff, b) the camera contents were / had to be deleted at leaving the location (for copyright infringement reasons - Sony is getting tough on that as we know)
Watching the O2 announcement always gives me chills when I see not only Thome Thome cold as ice and like a panzer watching the scene and Michael papering over the cracks with some boyish smile and swaying like "it's all fine" despite nothing is fine at all. Look at the faces of the surrounding "staff". Not one glimpse of sympathy for Michael.
That's where I got the "drowned alive" impression of a fish bowl from where Michael was watched from all sides but could NOT move (and David Blaine's poster is one of the things stuck and unresolved in my mind.) Not to forget the "free Willy" motive in TII.
Maybe Michael was forced into O2 (staged yes or no).
But this does not mean that he is not fine now.
But he doesn't look YOUNGER in the O2, he looks like TOTTALY DIFFERENT. Someone posted the Ebony photoshoot about Mike well THERE is a lot of make-up, photoshop, whateva and THERE he looks still like Michael Jackson cause that's him.
And what's the point to make him 'younger' in a way like this (to change his whole face?). He looked GOOD! Check the photos what was taken on the next day. And you can clearly see that's a different person.
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GoOoF, I am sure Michael looked difference because of his hair.
His curly hair reminds me of the guy he was for 20-30 years ago.. He looks much different with his 'normal' hair, than a fat long hair, or probably a wig.
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GoOoF, I am sure Michael looked difference because of his hair.
His curly hair reminds me of the guy he was for 20-30 years ago.. He looks much different with his 'normal' hair, than a fat long hair, or probably a wig.
That's not just about the hair.
Check this altough i'm sure u've already seen this photos.
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/ ... er/048.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/london2009/oliver/048.jpg)
March 6. One day later. Nah... that's Michael Jackson. :)
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GoOoF, I am sure Michael looked difference because of his hair.
His curly hair reminds me of the guy he was for 20-30 years ago.. He looks much different with his 'normal' hair, than a fat long hair, or probably a wig.
That's not just about the hair.
Check this altough i'm sure u've already seen this photos.
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/ ... er/048.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/london2009/oliver/048.jpg)
March 6. One day later. Nah... that's Michael Jackson. :)
Bigger chance he used botox than doubles.
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GoOoF, I am sure Michael looked difference because of his hair.
His curly hair reminds me of the guy he was for 20-30 years ago.. He looks much different with his 'normal' hair, than a fat long hair, or probably a wig.
That's not just about the hair.
Check this altough i'm sure u've already seen this photos.
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/ ... er/048.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/london2009/oliver/048.jpg)
March 6. One day later. Nah... that's Michael Jackson. :)
Bigger chance he used botox than doubles.
When? Before the press conference? And next day he looked normal again?
Botox is not for one day..that would be too expensive.
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GoOoF, I am sure Michael looked difference because of his hair.
His curly hair reminds me of the guy he was for 20-30 years ago.. He looks much different with his 'normal' hair, than a fat long hair, or probably a wig.
That's not just about the hair.
Check this altough i'm sure u've already seen this photos.
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/ ... er/048.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/london2009/oliver/048.jpg)
March 6. One day later. Nah... that's Michael Jackson. :)
Bigger chance he used botox than doubles.
When? Before the press conference? And next day he looked normal again?
Botox is not for one day..that would be too expensive.
Not for him! :lol:
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GoOoF, I am sure Michael looked difference because of his hair.
His curly hair reminds me of the guy he was for 20-30 years ago.. He looks much different with his 'normal' hair, than a fat long hair, or probably a wig.
That's not just about the hair.
Check this altough i'm sure u've already seen this photos.
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/ ... er/048.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/london2009/oliver/048.jpg)
March 6. One day later. Nah... that's Michael Jackson. :)
Bigger chance he used botox than doubles.
And well..botox doesn't change your teeth, your bones your voice and your behaviour. For sure.
But who knows. ;)
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GoOoF, I am sure Michael looked difference because of his hair.
His curly hair reminds me of the guy he was for 20-30 years ago.. He looks much different with his 'normal' hair, than a fat long hair, or probably a wig.
That's not just about the hair.
Check this altough i'm sure u've already seen this photos.
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/ ... er/048.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/london2009/oliver/048.jpg)
March 6. One day later. Nah... that's Michael Jackson. :)
Bigger chance he used botox than doubles.
When? Before the press conference? And next day he looked normal again?
Botox is not for one day..that would be too expensive.
Not for him! :lol:
You must kidding me :D
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This is the same guy, Michael Joe Jackson. Picture is taken on the same location, as your picture. This is the most familiar to the O2 guy! Easier said, this is the O2 guy, Michael Joe Jackson.
(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4818/044jo.jpg)
Another one..
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6526/050bk.jpg)
Once again, same person? Look at his hands. The left hand(his right) Looks like the one from O2, and the right hand(his left) are grey; caused by vitiligo.
(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4334/039v.jpg)
Same person..?
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7949/threemarks.png)
Definitely! Or else there were two doubles at that "party" :lol:
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This is the same guy, Michael Joe Jackson. Picture is taken on the same location, as your picture.
(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4818/044jo.jpg)
Another one..
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6526/050bk.jpg)
Once again, same person? Look at his hands. The left hand(his right) Looks like the one from O2, and the right hand(his left) are grey; caused by vitligo.
(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4334/039v.jpg)
Same person..?
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7949/threemarks.png)
I've seen all of these photos but thank u for posting. My opinion just doesn't change. I see clearly Michael Jackson on the first three photos.
But i don't know that guy in the O2. That's not that guy who i adore since i was a child.
If you think that guy is him, that's fine with me. My opinion's not gonna change.
Definitely! Or else there were two doubles at that "party" :lol:
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GoOoF, I am sure Michael looked difference because of his hair.
His curly hair reminds me of the guy he was for 20-30 years ago.. He looks much different with his 'normal' hair, than a fat long hair, or probably a wig.
That's not just about the hair.
Check this altough i'm sure u've already seen this photos.
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/ ... er/048.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/london2009/oliver/048.jpg)
March 6. One day later. Nah... that's Michael Jackson. :)
Bigger chance he used botox than doubles.
And well..botox doesn't change your teeth, your bones your voice and your behaviour. For sure.
But who knows. ;)
have you seen mike in japan 2007[youtube:2uszwek5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTyWsEjGDb0[/youtube:2uszwek5]
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Dear Michael:
As you can see you don't have to worry about hiding yourself, we won't be able to recognaize you even if you scream your name while doing a moonwalk :lol: :lol: :lol:
I always think that the best disguise for Michael is being a double. He could even hang out with the kids and everyone will think he isnt the real deal.
I think the cleft looks darker on some days because maybe they use makeup to make it more pronounced. Makeup does a lot of things to your face. You can make your nose look tons thinner or your lips fuller. Your face can also change depending on your mood. Sadness makes your face really thin while being happy about something will fill your face out -like the second pic.
The last pic is the doubtful one - but that could be due to lack of sleep - and no makeup.
Even the scar can be concealed on some days like in the Neverland pic - only Michael's makeup artist would know.
This double thing is from all the negative publicity that Michael has been getting over the years. I remember they said that only doubles would do the history tour. It is just hype and sometimes fueled by his own family members. Maybe it helps Michael cos people watch the movie so often to find the non existent doubles.
BOW kept saying there were doubles in TII - but now she changed her story to their being just one at Culver City. She also said that O2 was the real MJ. I browsed through the MJ books available here with HQ pics of TII or O2 and they all are definitely him - because of the hands and the fingernails. There is no glove over them and you can see every mark on his hand. One very distinguishing feature is his protruded wrist bone.
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GoOoF, I am sure Michael looked difference because of his hair.
His curly hair reminds me of the guy he was for 20-30 years ago.. He looks much different with his 'normal' hair, than a fat long hair, or probably a wig.
That's not just about the hair.
Check this altough i'm sure u've already seen this photos.
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/ ... er/048.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/london2009/oliver/048.jpg)
March 6. One day later. Nah... that's Michael Jackson. :)
Bigger chance he used botox than doubles.
And well..botox doesn't change your teeth, your bones your voice and your behaviour. For sure.
But who knows. ;)
have you seen mike in japan 2007[youtube:1yj2qisy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTyWsEjGDb0[/youtube:1yj2qisy]
Definitely our king, Michael Joe Jackson, the King of Pop.
-I never thought we had to investigate doubles, and especially say that Michael is not Michael. Why the hell would MJ send his kids with an impersonator to Japan in 2007 :lol:
Sorry if this is not the trip with his kids, but I am sure it was. Since there was a video of him at the airport.
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So I guess O2 dude was Mike then:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/377.jpg)
But then I am lost as to who these 3 guys are, can someone tell me who they are?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
This post made me laugh SO hard! :mrgreen:
I think I'm stepping out of the doubles-discussion. For the last 30 minutes I have been watching video's of know MJ-impersonators (E'Cas, Navi, Christ'OF, Carlo, and so on) and even though all of these impersonators resemble MJ, none of them really looks like him. Christ'OF really has the moves and the voice, but his face... Nah, no MJ. Ditto for Navi. Other imposters can hardly move like him.
So all the known imposters CANNOT be used in TII. They are just not MJ enough. But how to find/create someone that has beLIEvers almost fighting eachother because he is SO similair to MJ, but just not quite it? I mean, we are looking at ears, at clefts, his hands, his nails...
It is really giving me a headache. I just hope for all of us that IF he returns, he will tell us if he used doubles and if so, when it was him and when not.
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This is Michael Jackson, we are all sure about it..
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/london2009/oliver/048.jpg)
The MJ-double believers think this isn't Michael, but a double..
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7949/threemarks.png)
There is difference, but next pictures will show the EXACT same person, as you claim to be real MJ. All pictures are taken on the same location as the first in this post, except the O2 Arena..
Let's take a look..
This is the most familiar to the O2 guy! * For those who believe in doubles..*
(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4818/044jo.jpg)
Another one..
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6526/050bk.jpg)
Once again, same person? Look at his hands. The left hand(his right) Looks like the one from O2, and the right hand(his left) are gray; caused by vitiligo.
(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4334/039v.jpg)
Same person..? Just leave your thoughts
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7949/threemarks.png)
Definitely! Or else there were two doubles at that "party" :lol:
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:shock:
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Is it me or that arm and hand looks like an extension? looks like a fake hand :shock:
Please, check it carefully. The "real" hand would stop in the red part of the shirt.
(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4818/044jo.jpg)
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Dear Michael:
As you can see you don't have to worry about hiding yourself, we won't be able to recognaize you even if you scream your name while doing a moonwalk :lol: :lol: :lol:
I always think that the best disguise for Michael is being a double. He could even hang out with the kids and everyone will think he isnt the real deal.
I think the cleft looks darker on some days because maybe they use makeup to make it more pronounced. Makeup does a lot of things to your face. You can make your nose look tons thinner or your lips fuller. Your face can also change depending on your mood. Sadness makes your face really thin while being happy about something will fill your face out -like the second pic.
The last pic is the doubtful one - but that could be due to lack of sleep - and no makeup.
Even the scar can be concealed on some days like in the Neverland pic - only Michael's makeup artist would know.
This double thing is from all the negative publicity that Michael has been getting over the years. I remember they said that only doubles would do the history tour. It is just hype and sometimes fueled by his own family members. Maybe it helps Michael cos people watch the movie so often to find the non existent doubles.
BOW kept saying there were doubles in TII - but now she changed her story to their being just one at Culver City. She also said that O2 was the real MJ. I browsed through the MJ books available here with HQ pics of TII or O2 and they all are definitely him - because of the hands and the fingernails. There is no glove over them and you can see every mark on his hand. One very distinguishing feature is his protruded wrist bone.
interesting point of view was thinking whether all of this is close to home
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Is it me or that arm and hand looks like an extension? looks like a fake hand :shock:
Please, check it carefully. The "real" hand would stop in the red part of the shirt.
(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4818/044jo.jpg)
I don't really think so..
(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4334/039v.jpg)
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6526/050bk.jpg)
Cause his arms are moving, and a fake hand can't move fingers, unless it's a new technology Michael Jackson robot made in China.
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the above pictures are all mike
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GoOoF, I am sure Michael looked difference because of his hair.
His curly hair reminds me of the guy he was for 20-30 years ago.. He looks much different with his 'normal' hair, than a fat long hair, or probably a wig.
That's not just about the hair.
Check this altough i'm sure u've already seen this photos.
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/ ... er/048.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/london2009/oliver/048.jpg)
March 6. One day later. Nah... that's Michael Jackson. :)
Bigger chance he used botox than doubles.
And well..botox doesn't change your teeth, your bones your voice and your behaviour. For sure.
But who knows. ;)
have you seen mike in japan 2007[youtube:8v7718bc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTyWsEjGDb0[/youtube:8v7718bc]
Yes i have. What's the similarity between Japan 2007 and O2? I don't really see what do u mean by this. Could you explain pls? ;)
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the above pictures are all mike
I agree ... ;)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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yes its mike in japan
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Still, to me something does not fit.
I am not a great photoshop artist :oops:
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GoOoF, I am sure Michael looked difference because of his hair.
His curly hair reminds me of the guy he was for 20-30 years ago.. He looks much different with his 'normal' hair, than a fat long hair, or probably a wig.
That's not just about the hair.
Check this altough i'm sure u've already seen this photos.
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/ ... er/048.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/london2009/oliver/048.jpg)
March 6. One day later. Nah... that's Michael Jackson. :)
Bigger chance he used botox than doubles.
And well..botox doesn't change your teeth, your bones your voice and your behaviour. For sure.
But who knows. ;)
have you seen mike in japan 2007[youtube:u42021re]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTyWsEjGDb0[/youtube:u42021re]
Yes i have. What's the similarity between Japan 2007 and O2? I don't really see what do u mean by this. Could you explain pls? ;)
We're going no where if you can't see that they are the same guy, Michael Joe Jackson.
Stop at 00:07 or 00:08, check his smile, teeths, face, glasses, hair. 1:45 as well.
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the similarity for me is the voice when he says "you" very deep (i think speaking from memory) and the walk the moves - there is more footage on YT type japan 2007 and mj full name
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Still, to me something does not fit.
I am not a great photoshop artist :oops:
No i don't think thats a fake hand. that dude that is holding Mike is probably pulling his arm you know to walk but i think he pulled to hard and now he pulled his jacket. yeah I am not english..
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not a fake or photoshop arm, mike will be laughing at us :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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not a fake or photoshop arm, mike will be laughing at us :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol:
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GoOoF, I am sure Michael looked difference because of his hair.
His curly hair reminds me of the guy he was for 20-30 years ago.. He looks much different with his 'normal' hair, than a fat long hair, or probably a wig.
That's not just about the hair.
Check this altough i'm sure u've already seen this photos.
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/ ... er/048.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/london2009/oliver/048.jpg)
March 6. One day later. Nah... that's Michael Jackson. :)
Bigger chance he used botox than doubles.
And well..botox doesn't change your teeth, your bones your voice and your behaviour. For sure.
But who knows. ;)
have you seen mike in japan 2007[youtube:lzoje1mo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTyWsEjGDb0[/youtube:lzoje1mo]
Yes i have. What's the similarity between Japan 2007 and O2? I don't really see what do u mean by this. Could you explain pls? ;)
We're going no where if you can't see that they are the same guy, Michael Joe Jackson.
Stop at 00:07 or 00:08, check his smile, teeths, face, glasses, hair. 1:45 as well.
Who said that's not Mike in Japan?
I've seen the whole video and i've never had any doubt about it, cause it's HIM.
All I'm saying that the O2 guy is not him no way and yes we are going nowhere if you cant see the differences. ;)
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearan ... ss/359.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearances/o2press/359.jpg)
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/ ... er/012.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/london2009/oliver/012.jpg)
Make-up. Lighting. Photoshop. Different hair. Different mood. Different angles. But these two r the same person. SURE.. :roll:
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(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7687/359r.jpg)
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6403/012pc.jpg)
GoOoF:
All I'm saying that the O2 guy is not him no way and yes we are going nowhere if you cant see the differences. ;)
Make-up. Lighting. Photoshop. Different hair. Different mood. Different angles. But these two r the same person. SURE.. :roll:
I don't think it's photoshop. Who would BOTHER to photoshop like 20 pictures, it takes time!
How come you didn't see that they're the same?
First check: his lips and the eyebrows. Where the glasses reaches on his cheeks and nose.
The first picture his head are more to the left than middle/right. The second is more to the right than middle/left. It's a shadow on the latest picture, which cover up his cheek-cleft.
Look at the first picture again, and look at his chest. It's white! His neck fades from his normal skin on the chest, up to his face. You clearly see he wear more make-up at O2 than the 'party'.
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yeap some mj no double
the thing is about this thread and the few that are the same is that some will say yes its him and others will say no its a double - it leads us no where, in a few weeks when things are slow - another official doubles thread or chin or ear thread will pop up and we will all repeat ourselves.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
the thing is that if mj is alive he may well find such threads truly upsetting, that his own fans would tear him apart, feature from feature
how would you feel?
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yeap some mj no double
the thing is about this thread and the few that are the same is that some will say yes its him and others will say no its a double - it leads us no where, in a few weeks when things are slow - another official doubles thread or chin or ear thread will pop up and we will all repeat ourselves.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
the thing is that if mj is alive he may well find such threads truly upsetting, that his own fans would tear him apart, feature from feature
how would you feel?
I would be PISSED. I am looking different almost each day. It depends on my mood, my hair. I have changed drastically the last 3 years. My eyes, cheeks, cleft..
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(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7687/359r.jpg)
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6403/012pc.jpg)
GoOoF:
All I'm saying that the O2 guy is not him no way and yes we are going nowhere if you cant see the differences. ;)
Make-up. Lighting. Photoshop. Different hair. Different mood. Different angles. But these two r the same person. SURE.. :roll:
I don't think it's photoshop. Who would BOTHER to photoshop like 20 pictures, it takes time!
How come you didn't see that they're the same?
First check: his lips and the eyebrows. Where the glasses reaches on his cheeks and nose.
The first picture his head are more to the left than middle/right. The second is more to the right than middle/left. It's a shadow on the latest picture, which cover up his cheek-cleft.
Look at the first picture again, and look at his chest. It's white! His neck fades from his normal skin on the chest, up to his face. You clearly see he wear more make-up at O2 than the 'party'.
Ok i give it up with you think whatever u want to think.
For me this is just so obviously.
The lips are not the same
the eyes you can't see
the shape of the face is NOT the same
the smile is not the same
the teeth r not the same
the cleft is absolutely not the same
the cheek is not the same
But these r the same persons.
U R RIGHT. ;)
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Is it me or that arm and hand looks like an extension? looks like a fake hand :shock:
Please, check it carefully. The "real" hand would stop in the red part of the shirt.
(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4818/044jo.jpg)
According to Barry Shaw, this is Barry and not Michael , his double since 1994...any thoughts? :?
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Is it me or that arm and hand looks like an extension? looks like a fake hand :shock:
Please, check it carefully. The "real" hand would stop in the red part of the shirt.
(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4818/044jo.jpg)
According to Barry Shaw, this is Barry and not Michael , his double since 1994...any thoughts? :?
I also thought that this is not MJ! is this double; Barry Shaw
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That's what he claims; I don't know if he's saying the truth though..
If he is, then I wanna meet him ASAP!!! LOL (soory for the OT!) :lol:
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Is it me or that arm and hand looks like an extension? looks like a fake hand :shock:
Please, check it carefully. The "real" hand would stop in the red part of the shirt.
(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4818/044jo.jpg)
According to Barry Shaw, this is Barry and not Michael , his double since 1994...any thoughts? :?
I also thought that this is not MJ! is this double; Barry Shaw
Check all of the photos about that event. Thats not a double.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEeUjYivVfc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEeUjYivVfc)
Here is a ridiculous video of "Barry Shaw." Check the comments.
Well, if that's Barry.. Then who is Michael Jackson? With all these 100% Michael Jackson looking like doubles, how can we know who Michael really is and look like?
I think you double believers should stick into the theory " Michael Jackson died black, since it's been doubles!"
These doubles seems to have the same talent, same moves. Some also hang around with MJ's family, or does MJ's family have doubles too?
This ridiculous double thing reminds me of Paul McCartney case. It was said Paul died at young age, and since there has been a double taking over for him. :lol:
-The world is insane.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEeUjYivVfc
Here is a ridiculous video of "Barry Shaw." Check the comments.
Well, if that's Barry.. Then who is Michael Jackson? With all these 100% Michael Jackson looking like doubles, how can we know who Michael really is and look like?
I think you double believers should stick into the theory " Michael Jackson died black, since it's been doubles!"
These doubles seems to have the same talent, same moves. Some also hang around with MJ's family, or does MJ's family have doubles too?
I also just watched that video and to me it is rubbish. I doesn't proof anything. If Barry Shaw is real, I would like to see him stating his name and talking about how it is to double for MJ. Just someone uploading random pics is and saying it is Barry Shaw is no proof.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEeUjYivVfc
Here is a ridiculous video of "Barry Shaw." Check the comments.
Well, if that's Barry.. Then who is Michael Jackson? With all these 100% Michael Jackson looking like doubles, how can we know who Michael really is and look like?
I think you double believers should stick into the theory " Michael Jackson died black, since it's been doubles!"
These doubles seems to have the same talent, same moves. Some also hang around with MJ's family, or does MJ's family have doubles too?
This video is just so ridiculous. Finally we agree. ;)
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Yep. I could upload a video about a double named Kenny Travis.
Post some pictures of Michael Jackson from age 27 to 50.. Claim that it's Kenny Travis. :lol: :lol:
-Good we finally agree on something at least.
I would be more convinced if he showed "Barry Shaw" without make-up, an interview etc. :lol:
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Yep. I could upload a video about a double named Kenny Travis.
Post some pictures of Michael Jackson from age 27 to 50.. Claim that it's Kenny Travis. :lol: :lol:
-Good we finally agree on something at least.
I would be more convinced if he showed "Barry Shaw" without make-up, an interview etc. :lol:
Wouldn't that be something? I mean, a double uploading a video.
It would also be something to upload a Kenny Travis video, I think some people will lose their mind. :mrgreen: Kenny Travis is my cousin by the way and he has been working for MJ since he was born. :mrgreen:
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im confused :shock: , please will the real MJ stand up :| :| :roll: :roll:
please post some pics of Barry Shaw waana compare.. :P
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im confused :shock: , please will the real MJ stand up :| :| :roll: :roll:
please post some pics of Barry Shaw waana compare.. :P
Did you get nothing? Barry Show doesn't exist..
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im confused :shock: , please will the real MJ stand up :| :| :roll: :roll:
please post some pics of Barry Shaw waana compare.. :P
Did you get nothing? Barry Show doesn't exist..
ah... excuse me moi..
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im confused :shock: , please will the real MJ stand up :| :| :roll: :roll:
please post some pics of Barry Shaw waana compare.. :P
Barry Shaw posted those pics saying he was HIM and not Michael ;) I don't know if it's true thopugh, I'm just reporting ...
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im confused :shock: , please will the real MJ stand up :| :| :roll: :roll:
please post some pics of Barry Shaw waana compare.. :P
Barry Shaw posted those pics saying he was HIM and not Michael ;) I don't know if it's true thopugh, I'm just reporting ...
Where did Barry Shaw posted those pictures?
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I think you double believers should stick into the theory " Michael Jackson died black, since it's been doubles!"
Tom, that statement is pretty off.
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im confused :shock: , please will the real MJ stand up :| :| :roll: :roll:
please post some pics of Barry Shaw waana compare.. :P
Barry Shaw posted those pics saying he was HIM and not Michael ;) I don't know if it's true though, I'm just reporting ...
Where did Barry Shaw posted those pictures?
When he opened his account I guess, one month ago more or less..
IMO it's Michael in those pics, not him, but that's just what I think..I might be wrong
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AnyBody know which Michael are we supposed to be cheering for anymore? :lol: :lol:
No offense.
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Canyou post a Barry Shaw link?
I found nothing in google.
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Seems like it's at least three marks/scars.
You can clearly see his lips has 'been through' a make-up.
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7949/threemarks.png)
THIS IS FOR SURE MJ!!!! IN A STUDIO!!! look his glasses, u see the reflection of something (LIGHTSS???)
Lights?
At a press conference?
Never :o
Really??than what are those ""creatures" in the corners of the stage? i think we should be more careful in investigating...before jumping in conclusions
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4954/395c.jpg)
Oh my fucking God.
You're the second person to not realise I was being sarcastic, despite the fact I said it about 2 posts before. Jesus some people are thick.
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This thread is getting out of hand now that insults are being thrown. This is not a debate anymore it is a mud-slinging match.
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Hey fam,
I'm afraid that if Michael comes back his army of L.O.V.E will tear him to pieces! :o Since none of us can agree as to the real identity of the man. If no one has any ideas as to the connection between the "theory of doubles" and the reason for the hoax AND it's MESSAGE (perhaps as a commentary in the form of a performance piece or as an escape route)...which is why we are all here btw...maybe, we should give this topic a break and concentrate our combined efforts on other areas of the hoax and its unraveling?
It makes no sense going back and forth trying to prove the other camp wrong, because in this instance there is no way to be objective, all the evidence for either side is circumstantial @ best. For now, we are only stagnant in the preconceived ideas of what we think Michael really looks like...when in fact many of us have ever spent anytime in his personal space or in the case of a lucky few- spent any significant time with him...What we do know is that he was a kind human being who loved his family, fans...and art...what would drive such a man to undertake a death hoax?...
As someone once said "The trick to forgetting the big picture is to look at everything close-up."...and just as an aside Annie Leibovitz the famous portrait photographer said "I am impressed with what happens when someone stays in the same place and you took the same picture over and over and it would be different, every single frame." ...imagine what they would look like on different days! ;)
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Seems like it's at least three marks/scars.
You can clearly see his lips has 'been through' a make-up.
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7949/threemarks.png)
THIS IS FOR SURE MJ!!!! IN A STUDIO!!! look his glasses, u see the reflection of something (LIGHTSS???)
Lights?
At a press conference?
Never :o
Really??than what are those ""creatures" in the corners of the stage? i think we should be more careful in investigating...before jumping in conclusions
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4954/395c.jpg)
Oh my fucking God.
You're the second person to not realise I was being sarcastic, despite the fact I said it about 2 posts before. Jesus some people are thick.
really, internet is not the right place to be ''sarcastic'', I cant hear ur damn voice or I can not see ur damn face to know u r trying to be ''sarcastic''. Jesus some people are thick!!
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Seems like it's at least three marks/scars.
You can clearly see his lips has 'been through' a make-up.
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7949/threemarks.png)
THIS IS FOR SURE MJ!!!! IN A STUDIO!!! look his glasses, u see the reflection of something (LIGHTSS???)
Lights?
At a press conference?
Never :o
Really??than what are those ""creatures" in the corners of the stage? i think we should be more careful in investigating...before jumping in conclusions
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4954/395c.jpg)
Oh my fucking God.
You're the second person to not realise I was being sarcastic, despite the fact I said it about 2 posts before. Jesus some people are thick.
really, internet is not the right place to be ''sarcastic'', I cant hear ur damn voice or I can not see ur damn face to know u r trying to be ''sarcastic''. Jesus some people are thick!!
It couldn't have been much more obvious, to be fair.
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now people going to say things about eachother.. this is a threat about Michael or doubles right? not about eachother so please people don't say things about eachother.
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"This was definitely an act. A scene, lights, cameras! No, this is not a press conference, This Is It."
Now I were sarcastic..
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(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7687/359r.jpg)
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6403/012pc.jpg)
GoOoF:
All I'm saying that the O2 guy is not him no way and yes we are going nowhere if you cant see the differences. ;)
Make-up. Lighting. Photoshop. Different hair. Different mood. Different angles. But these two r the same person. SURE.. :roll:
I don't think it's photoshop. Who would BOTHER to photoshop like 20 pictures, it takes time!
How come you didn't see that they're the same?
First check: his lips and the eyebrows. Where the glasses reaches on his cheeks and nose.
The first picture his head are more to the left than middle/right. The second is more to the right than middle/left. It's a shadow on the latest picture, which cover up his cheek-cleft.
Look at the first picture again, and look at his chest. It's white! His neck fades from his normal skin on the chest, up to his face. You clearly see he wear more make-up at O2 than the 'party'.
Ok i give it up with you think whatever u want to think.
For me this is just so obviously.
The lips are not the same
the eyes you can't see
the shape of the face is NOT the same
the smile is not the same
the teeth r not the same
the cleft is absolutely not the same
the cheek is not the same
But these r the same persons.
U R RIGHT. ;)
There's no difference at all IMO, on the second photo he smiles and that's the only difference. Everbody's face look a little different while smiling.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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"This was definitely an act. A scene, lights, cameras! No, this is not a press conference, This Is It."
Now I were sarcastic..
Hey toM, sometimes I really think u r right about this! but u know, I watched a docu about MJ last night.. and they told that AEG wanted MJ dead more than Alive. becuz his money. So if MJ knew about this, that AEG wanted him dead. Will he ever do such a conference?
And MO told us why u see in TII sometimes bad.low quality footage and sometimes u see HQ footage. Well That is very strange. But I watched TII again, and the only differences about those footage is the quality, I mean u see the dancers, when the angle of the camera switches, dancing same place, walking same place. what u think about that?
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"This was definitely an act. A scene, lights, cameras! No, this is not a press conference, This Is It."
Now I were sarcastic..
Hey toM, sometimes I really think u r right about this! but u know, I watched a docu about MJ last night.. and they told that AEG wanted MJ dead more than Alive. becuz his money. So if MJ knew about this, that AEG wanted him dead. Will he ever do such a conference?
And MO told us why u see in TII sometimes bad.low quality footage and sometimes u see HQ footage. Well That is very strange. But I watched TII again, and the only differences about those footage is the quality, I mean u see the dancers, when the angle of the camera switches, dancing same place, walking same place. what u think about that?
I think Michael does what he feels he need to do in his own time. Mark his words "I'll be performing the songs my fans wanna hear.." What we see in This Is It is what he performs, and what he sings is what we want to hear.
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(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7687/359r.jpg)
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/6403/012pc.jpg)
GoOoF:
All I'm saying that the O2 guy is not him no way and yes we are going nowhere if you cant see the differences. ;)
Make-up. Lighting. Photoshop. Different hair. Different mood. Different angles. But these two r the same person. SURE.. :roll:
I don't think it's photoshop. Who would BOTHER to photoshop like 20 pictures, it takes time!
How come you didn't see that they're the same?
First check: his lips and the eyebrows. Where the glasses reaches on his cheeks and nose.
The first picture his head are more to the left than middle/right. The second is more to the right than middle/left. It's a shadow on the latest picture, which cover up his cheek-cleft.
Look at the first picture again, and look at his chest. It's white! His neck fades from his normal skin on the chest, up to his face. You clearly see he wear more make-up at O2 than the 'party'.
Ok i give it up with you think whatever u want to think.
For me this is just so obviously.
The lips are not the same
the eyes you can't see
the shape of the face is NOT the same
the smile is not the same
the teeth r not the same
the cleft is absolutely not the same
the cheek is not the same
But these r the same persons.
U R RIGHT. ;)
There's no difference at all IMO, on the second photo he smiles and that's the only difference. Everbody's face look a little different while smiling.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
Exactly. It really bothers me that people are getting so convinced by this. No plastic surgeon in the world could do that good a job.
And what are the doubles doing now? Locked in a basement, not allowed to see the light of day? It'd be bad enough having to keep one not-dead MJ a secret without having a whole army of them. Nobody's answered this question yet.
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The double(s) are paid to do a job, when the job is over, he/they go back to their normal lives. What makes you think they need to be locked away, they are only pretending to be MJ for as long as he needs them to. If indeed doubles were used at all. Its no big deal, lots of stars use doubles - its been going on for years.
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Whatever each of us may believe - the whole case is about "believe" or "nor believe".
I stick to what you cannot change so easily by surgery and what was often forgotten to manipulate on photos: the hands, the nails, the neck.
And this - check out all the pictures at mjjpictures.com - is all Mike.
Michael was said to spend quite some time with Arnie Klein who was reported to "rebuild" his face to make him appear younger. Could be propaganda, could be truth.
Whatever pictures we will compare - other than those of late June 2009 may show Michael not being comparable to the one we saw in TII movie. In all the heat of discussion please do not forget: we simply do not know what Michael looked like except from what he would let us see.
And if indeed the brand MJJ had to come to an end then we do not know at all what Michael looks like now.
Honestly, I don't care too much about his face or wigs or skin or whatever feature is on the outside. All this is not important to me.
I came to the conclusion that Michael did not want to continue as before because he was not loved for his person but for his money and his appearance only. No matter what he tried, the result was always the same. I think he suffered a lot from the projections into his life that just were not true and only reflections of what was missing in other people's lives.
From what I saw it was all Michael, from what I felt as aura in TII it was all Michael except for the double in Smooth Criminal. There were other "stand-ins" for light, sound, special effects, dancing rehearsals. That is just regular rehearsals and nothing outstanding or strange.
But would you believe Michael would produce and direct a movie as a gift for his fans in order to get to know him better that would live from doubles and where he would accept to place doubles and not himself? A teacher would say "missed the topic".
I do have the utmost respect for his bravery to put himself knowingly under the microscopes and scalpels of the world. Who would do alike? Who would dare walk in his shoes only one minute?
I don't care too much about the doubles. I do care about the man doing this for a reason. And most of all I do believe him first and doubt others. I doubt sinister persons dragging him around, twitching his arms, jerking his being, twisting his life. These are the ones not showing any mimic except nasty expressions while being with him. These are to be watched and examined. Not the doubles taking weight off his shoulders. Just MHO.
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Exactly. It really bothers me that people are getting so convinced by this. No plastic surgeon in the world could do that good a job.
And what are the doubles doing now? Locked in a basement, not allowed to see the light of day? It'd be bad enough having to keep one not-dead MJ a secret without having a whole army of them. Nobody's answered this question yet.
You get no answer on those questions, because noone has the answers to that ... ;)
It's a very good question! This double should hide himself too because everybody would think it's Michael when they see him ... :mrgreen:
I also asked the question about all the people who worked on TII (a lot) that would know about the doubles and why everybody can keep such a secret, .... well nobody gave me an answer too ... ;)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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This thread reminds me of the story of "The Man In The Iron Mask" :lol:
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The double(s) are paid to do a job, when the job is over, he/they go back to their normal lives. What makes you think they need to be locked away, they are only pretending to be MJ for as long as he needs them to. If indeed doubles were used at all. Its no big deal, lots of stars use doubles - its been going on for years.
Well they first have to go back to the operationtable to make their face look like it was before ... :mrgreen:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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The double(s) are paid to do a job, when the job is over, he/they go back to their normal lives. What makes you think they need to be locked away, they are only pretending to be MJ for as long as he needs them to. If indeed doubles were used at all. Its no big deal, lots of stars use doubles - its been going on for years.
Well they first have to go back to the operationtable to make their face look like it was before ... :mrgreen:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
I doubt they even had to have surgery, I believe doubles were only filmed from far back and all close-ups were MJ. I also think they were only used when MJ could actually be there himself in order not to disrupt filming. MJ probably had very good reasons to use doubles and I don't think he would have made those decisions lightly. Same as why he hoaxed his death in the first place - very good reasons.
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The double(s) are paid to do a job, when the job is over, he/they go back to their normal lives. What makes you think they need to be locked away, they are only pretending to be MJ for as long as he needs them to. If indeed doubles were used at all. Its no big deal, lots of stars use doubles - its been going on for years.
Datroot, when I read this, I get a feeling of.. Are you being serious?
This is the real world, not everything is possible in this world, even it might seem so.
Changing your look is VERY serious. It cost a lot of money, and looking like Michael so much as
'these doubles' does are impossible, especially with the thought of 4 different doubles looking 99% like Michael Jackson..
They have to be LOCKED inside, if they're looking like Michael. NO make-up can make your nose change drastically, your eyes and mouth. And the face shape itself.
Going outside is not even a thought, they have to disguise themselves with a mask or something, which will pay attention! The height on the 'doubles' are the same as Michael..
When you first are looking like Michael 100% with a surgery, you can't change your look back to the guy you once was. So people will be suspicious. Pretending to be Michael is as well hard; His voice, his dancing skills and his speech-tone.
It's a BIG DEAL! These people has a life, when they first look like Michael, dance like Michael, sing like Michael, as some believers claim, then I don't really think they considering being trapped inside, because Michael wants you to do so..
There is a HUGE difference between Michael and other stars.. Michael is on another level, that nobody will reach.
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If they were only used for TII, it wouldn't be a problem and btw, why wouldn't I be serious? How come you know so much about what goes on between MJ and his doubles anyway?
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If they were only used for TII, it wouldn't be a problem and btw, why wouldn't I be serious? How come you know so much about what goes on between MJ and his doubles anyway?
Because I am being realistic. Until something prove me that I'm not right.. I am waiting.
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The double(s) are paid to do a job, when the job is over, he/they go back to their normal lives. What makes you think they need to be locked away, they are only pretending to be MJ for as long as he needs them to. If indeed doubles were used at all. Its no big deal, lots of stars use doubles - its been going on for years.
Well they first have to go back to the operationtable to make their face look like it was before ... :mrgreen:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
I doubt they even had to have surgery, I believe doubles were only filmed from far back and all close-ups were MJ. I also think they were only used when MJ could actually be there himself in order not to disrupt filming. MJ probably had very good reasons to use doubles and I don't think he would have made those decisions lightly. Same as why he hoaxed his death in the first place - very good reasons.
Well then the O2-guy is really Michael for sure, because he's close-up ... ;)
(I never had a doubt it wasn't Michael).
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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I''m still on the fence there - possibly, I don't know.
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If they were only used for TII, it wouldn't be a problem and btw, why wouldn't I be serious? How come you know so much about what goes on between MJ and his doubles anyway?
Because I am being realistic. Until something prove me that I'm not right.. I am waiting.
I, too, am being realistic and, like you, I'm waiting for proof.
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*Mo* wrote:
Oh I see we have another "double" thread :lol:
Seriously, I can't believe some people even THINK that O2 dude is Mike. That guy looks NOTHING like Mike at all. Besides the cleft there are also so many other facial differences...
Looks NOTHING like Mike at all? Who is Mike then? We're talking about Michael Joe Jackson.
If this doesn't look like Michael, how do you expect him to look like? Show me Mo.. You say we can't THINK.. Well, in this case eyes are more important than thinking. Then my thinking made me come to this conclusion. I believed in doubles, but not anymore.
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Michael must have been cloned (it is possible, you know). That could very well explain the likeness between the impersonator and him and the cryptic message on the "This Is It" CD: "Always great to sing with my brother" And, perhaps Uri Gellar had a big part in the mind control portion of the clone.
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Michael must have been cloned (it is possible, you know). That could very well explain the likeness between the impersonator and him and the cryptic message on the "This Is It" CD: "Always great to sing with my brother" And, perhaps Uri Gellar had a big part in the mind control portion of the clone.
It could be, then he would be the first star. But I think it's "very impossible" still. Uri could be a big part of this hoax at least.
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If they were only used for TII, it wouldn't be a problem and btw, why wouldn't I be serious? How come you know so much about what goes on between MJ and his doubles anyway?
Of course it would be a problem - they've had so much surgery to look exactly like a man they're only impersonating for 4 months?
What exactly were they doing before TII? And what are they doing now?
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If they were only used for TII, it wouldn't be a problem and btw, why wouldn't I be serious? How come you know so much about what goes on between MJ and his doubles anyway?
Of course it would be a problem - they've had so much surgery to look exactly like a man they're only impersonating for 4 months?
What exactly were they doing before TII? And what are they doing now?
We got to think more, than just inside the four walls mixed with fantasy.
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Cloned???? are you guys serious??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Well,after watching some videos of Mike from different eras, and looking through some of his photos,i came to the conclusion that all the photos shown in this thread are michael, eyes are just the same, we know his eyes can never be dublicated, they are so special,yes he used some doubles in some sp. cases, but IMO in TII it's only Mike,except the Smooth Criminal stunt part, however everyone is entitled to his own opinion.
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If they were only used for TII, it wouldn't be a problem and btw, why wouldn't I be serious? How come you know so much about what goes on between MJ and his doubles anyway?
Of course it would be a problem - they've had so much surgery to look exactly like a man they're only impersonating for 4 months?
What exactly were they doing before TII? And what are they doing now?
Not if they were being filmed from far away (did you read my previous post?). They wouldn't need surgery for that and if they were only being paid to appear in TII - they could have been employed for this alone - who said anything about impersonating him for months? Now they are probably living their own lives until of course MJ may call upon them again in the future - who knows?
I don't see a problem at all.
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Well,after watching some videos of Mike from different eras, and looking through some of his photos,i came to the conclusion that all the photos shown in this thread are michael, eyes are just the same, we know his eyes can never be dublicated, they are so special,yes he used some doubles in some sp. cases, but IMO in TII it's only Mike,except the Smooth Criminal stunt part, however everyone is entitled to his own opinion.
You can't always see his eyes in TII.
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If they were only used for TII, it wouldn't be a problem and btw, why wouldn't I be serious? How come you know so much about what goes on between MJ and his doubles anyway?
Of course it would be a problem - they've had so much surgery to look exactly like a man they're only impersonating for 4 months?
What exactly were they doing before TII? And what are they doing now?
Not if they were being filmed from far away (did you read my previous post?). They wouldn't need surgery for that and if they were only being paid to appear in TII - they could have been employed for this alone - who said anything about impersonating him for months? Now they are probably living their own lives until of course MJ may call upon them again in the future - who knows?
I don't see a problem at all.
Well for a start, all the "Michaels" in TII were seen up close - and all looked pretty damn like Michael. Most of them also sung songs live.
And the rehearsals for TII took months...duh.
And living their own lives? Not possible if you look exactly like MJ.
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There were loads of scenes filmed from a distance - I'm not talking about the close-ups (please read my posts properly). The filmed rehearsals were done in two days not months. MJ was rehearsing by himself before he went to the Staples Centre. They only filmed certain parts of the rehearsals. If you did a bit more research, you would have known this.
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neverthelless just even forgetting about this eyes i think its him,IMO noone can be so identical,its out of my imagination,but who knows?everything is possible,noone can say anything for sure but Michael himself,it's just what i see,its just my opinion.
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neverthelless just even forgetting about this eyes i think its him,IMO noone can be so identical,its out of my imagination,but who knows?everything is possible,noone can say anything for sure but Michael himself,it's just what i see,its just my opinion.
Its all just opinions and thoughts - but I'm getting fed up with people getting rude and thinking they know everything when, in truth, none of us knows anything for sure. We just research and come up with certain things for debate without, hopefully, bullying others.
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Absolutely agree,people dont forget that we are here for findin' out the truth,we are a big family, we all love Michael,its normal that different people have different opinions,lets be more respectful to each other,shall we
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Well for a start, all the "Michaels" in TII were seen up close - and all looked pretty damn like Michael. Most of them also sung songs live.
And the rehearsals for TII took months...duh.
And living their own lives? Not possible if you look exactly like MJ.
Exactly! People would faint if one of these doubles go on te streets ... :D
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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CAN SOME EXPLAIN TO ME WHO THESE PPL ARE....KEEP IN MIND THE YEARS AND NOW THINK ABOUT ALL THE TV APPEARANCES, AWARD CEREMONIES, DANCES, REHEARSALS AND WORLD TOURS, ETC AND ASK YOUR SELF HOW WAS MICHAEL ABLE TO CHANGE SO MUCH AND IF IT WAS DUE TO SURGERY, HEAL SO FAST??? AND STILL BE ABLE TO DO ALL THE THINGS I JUST MENTIONED ABOVE....CAN SOME ONE PLEASE EXPLAIN IT TO ME LIKE IM A 5 YEARS OLD LOL :D
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I looked very good at those photo's above, but still to me it's all Michael.
It's just how he looked at that moment, smiling, serious etc. and the way his hair was and make-up.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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I looked very good at those photo's above, but still to me it's all Michael.
It's just how he looked at that moment, smiling, serious etc. and the way his hair was and make-up.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
they are all MJ, the first 2 pics is so different, becuz he is tired, sick, and becuz the glasses... U need to see the eyes!!
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You guys almost sound funny.
You're claiming that the doubles can look more like Michael, than Michael does himself :lol:
Oh give me a break! :lol:
The only thing that looks slightly different on Michael is the cleft, like that's enough to call him a double?
There is no such thing as doubles looking exactly like someone else. You want to have the proof? -> As long as I know we're still living on planet Earth in the year 2010 not a Si-Fi movie.
(http://thephotizo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/reality-check.jpg)
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CAN SOME EXPLAIN TO ME WHO THESE PPL ARE....
That's the most famous person on earth: Michael Joe Jackson. ;)
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CAN SOME EXPLAIN TO ME WHO THESE PPL ARE....KEEP IN MIND THE YEARS AND NOW THINK ABOUT ALL THE TV APPEARANCES, AWARD CEREMONIES, DANCES, REHEARSALS AND WORLD TOURS, ETC AND ASK YOUR SELF HOW WAS MICHAEL ABLE TO CHANGE SO MUCH AND IF IT WAS DUE TO SURGERY, HEAL SO FAST??? AND STILL BE ABLE TO DO ALL THE THINGS I JUST MENTIONED ABOVE....CAN SOME ONE PLEASE EXPLAIN IT TO ME LIKE IM A 5 YEARS OLD LOL :D
oh the 2002 picture brakes my heart. Look at his hand. I wanna hold it.. :(
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Whatever each of us may believe - the whole case is about "believe" or "nor believe".
I stick to what you cannot change so easily by surgery and what was often forgotten to manipulate on photos: the hands, the nails, the neck.
And this - check out all the pictures at mjjpictures.com - is all Mike.
Michael was said to spend quite some time with Arnie Klein who was reported to "rebuild" his face to make him appear younger. Could be propaganda, could be truth.
Whatever pictures we will compare - other than those of late June 2009 may show Michael not being comparable to the one we saw in TII movie. In all the heat of discussion please do not forget: we simply do not know what Michael looked like except from what he would let us see.
And if indeed the brand MJJ had to come to an end then we do not know at all what Michael looks like now.
Honestly, I don't care too much about his face or wigs or skin or whatever feature is on the outside. All this is not important to me.
I came to the conclusion that Michael did not want to continue as before because he was not loved for his person but for his money and his appearance only. No matter what he tried, the result was always the same. I think he suffered a lot from the projections into his life that just were not true and only reflections of what was missing in other people's lives.
From what I saw it was all Michael, from what I felt as aura in TII it was all Michael except for the double in Smooth Criminal. There were other "stand-ins" for light, sound, special effects, dancing rehearsals. That is just regular rehearsals and nothing outstanding or strange.
But would you believe Michael would produce and direct a movie as a gift for his fans in order to get to know him better that would live from doubles and where he would accept to place doubles and not himself? A teacher would say "missed the topic".
I do have the utmost respect for his bravery to put himself knowingly under the microscopes and scalpels of the world. Who would do alike? Who would dare walk in his shoes only one minute?
I don't care too much about the doubles. I do care about the man doing this for a reason. And most of all I do believe him first and doubt others. I doubt sinister persons dragging him around, twitching his arms, jerking his being, twisting his life. These are the ones not showing any mimic except nasty expressions while being with him. These are to be watched and examined. Not the doubles taking weight off his shoulders. Just MHO.
AMEN
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I think the first photo from 2009 on the collection there is not Michael. The one with the sunglasses and the mask.....He looks very strange on that photo.
And sometimes I think that, you can recognie the doubles in TII on if they sand live or not. Because some parts of song were playback...not every song was live
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Is it me or that arm and hand looks like an extension? looks like a fake hand :shock:
Please, check it carefully. The "real" hand would stop in the red part of the shirt.
(http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4818/044jo.jpg)
That Tohme shit is pulling Michael's hand too hard that the coat slipped (can't explain well) please stop the nonsense this is a real thing .
The thing that scares me is the way he's been manipulated those days..he wasn't himself....acted strange scared i think.... :(He was hiding behind the smile..Tohme is scary
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when he was with debbie rowe ,he didnt look so happy :( maybe he was a littele embarresd :oops: ...but when their children been born he looks very happy when he holds them :lol:
sorry thats just my thought ....
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You guys almost sound funny.
You're claiming that the doubles can look more like Michael, than Michael does himself :lol:
Oh give me a break! :lol:
The only thing that looks slightly different on Michael is the cleft, like that's enough to call him a double?
There is no such thing as doubles looking exactly like someone else. You want to have the proof? -> As long as I know we're still living on planet Earth in the year 2010 not a Si-Fi movie.
(http://thephotizo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/reality-check.jpg)
Have u ever heard of prostetic make up? Like mike wore in the ghost video? That's how u can look like someone
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You guys almost sound funny.
You're claiming that the doubles can look more like Michael, than Michael does himself :lol:
Oh give me a break! :lol:
The only thing that looks slightly different on Michael is the cleft, like that's enough to call him a double?
There is no such thing as doubles looking exactly like someone else. You want to have the proof? -> As long as I know we're still living on planet Earth in the year 2010 not a Si-Fi movie.
(http://thephotizo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/reality-check.jpg)
Have u ever heard of prostetic make up? Like mike wore in the ghost video? That's how u can look like someone
Now we're getting desperate.
You can't prosthetic make up your voice or eyes.
And besides, it would take a super-human to do a job good enough to make you look exactly like MJ.
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You guys almost sound funny.
You're claiming that the doubles can look more like Michael, than Michael does himself :lol:
Oh give me a break! :lol:
The only thing that looks slightly different on Michael is the cleft, like that's enough to call him a double?
There is no such thing as doubles looking exactly like someone else. You want to have the proof? -> As long as I know we're still living on planet Earth in the year 2010 not a Si-Fi movie.
(http://thephotizo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/reality-check.jpg)
Have u ever heard of prostetic make up? Like mike wore in the ghost video? That's how u can look like someone
Now we're getting desperate.
You can't prosthetic make up your voice or eyes.
And besides, it would take a super-human to do a job good enough to make you look exactly like MJ.
You would be amazed what can be done with prostetic make up + camera angle/lighting. They can make me look like Mike as well. I think you are underestimating our master of disguise here.
As for the voice, you should really ask people in the music industry about a harmonizer, it's very possible to make one sound like Mike, especially with the $$$ he has to spend.
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You guys almost sound funny.
You're claiming that the doubles can look more like Michael, than Michael does himself :lol:
Oh give me a break! :lol:
The only thing that looks slightly different on Michael is the cleft, like that's enough to call him a double?
There is no such thing as doubles looking exactly like someone else. You want to have the proof? -> As long as I know we're still living on planet Earth in the year 2010 not a Si-Fi movie.
(http://thephotizo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/reality-check.jpg)
Have u ever heard of prostetic make up? Like mike wore in the ghost video? That's how u can look like someone
Now we're getting desperate.
You can't prosthetic make up your voice or eyes.
And besides, it would take a super-human to do a job good enough to make you look exactly like MJ.
I think people need to realize that ANYTHING is possible, especially when there's a lot of $$$$$$$$$$ involved.
As to voices - Voices can be manipulated for many many years already. I have already mentioned the possibility of the use of a harmonizer. I had a nice talk at the recording studio today, and my friend played some mind blowing examples for me. Now he already has some pretty extraordinary equipment, so imagine what can be done when there's no limit when it comes to spending $$$$$$$ on the best of the best.
As to prosthetic make up - Google before you reject...
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Found this pic
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3643/drkleinadmitsherebuiltm.jpg)
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Sorry guys but I still think there is no double at all.
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Found this pic
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3643/drkleinadmitsherebuiltm.jpg)
Look at this:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/double2mj1.jpg)
The left one (for us) has a different nose and cleft comparing to the right one (Mike).
Also the right one has a LOT op lipstick and lipliner to make his lips look bigger. The O2 dude on stage differs a lot from the one off stage.
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Preety wierd !!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Found this pic
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3643/drkleinadmitsherebuiltm.jpg)
Look at this:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/double2mj1.jpg)
The left one (for us) has a different nose and cleft comparing to the right one (Mike).
Also the right one has a LOT op lipstick and lipliner to make his lips look bigger. The O2 dude on stage differs a lot from the one off stage.
well he looks the same and I'm sure it's Michael all of them.
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Found this pic
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3643/drkleinadmitsherebuiltm.jpg)
Look at this:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/double2mj1.jpg)
The left one (for us) has a different nose and cleft comparing to the right one (Mike).
Also the right one has a LOT op lipstick and lipliner to make his lips look bigger. The O2 dude on stage differs a lot from the one off stage.
well he looks the same and I'm sure it's Michael all of them.
The same? Look at the smile! They are not the same. the lips are not the same, the noses don't match, the chin doesn't match.
Is it that some people are afraid to say it's not him because they are afraid to 'hurt' him, or do you really don't see any difference?
Mikes smile and facial expression is way softer than O2 dude's.
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Nope no difference. U have the consider the light is different in both pictures maybe that's why u guys saw some difference in the pics.
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So, I will post another comparisation. O2 dude and soft faced Mike:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/303.jpg)
So I will stick to my question that if O2 dude (ON stage) was Mike, then who are these 3 dudes?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
And I really don't want to go "OMG :o MMS FR/MS Mikaeel me angel maree me" here, but Mike is way better looking than O2 dude... Give the guy some credit!
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So, I will post another comparisation. O2 dude and soft faced Mike:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/303.jpg)
So I will stick to my question that if O2 dude (ON stage) was Mike, then who are these 3 dudes?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
And I really don't want to go "OMG :o MMS FR/MS Mikaeel me angel maree me" here, but Mike is way better looking than O2 dude... Give the guy some credit!
There are all Michael. He looks great on all 5 pics. :)
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Found this pic
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3643/drkleinadmitsherebuiltm.jpg)
Look at this:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/double2mj1.jpg)
The left one (for us) has a different nose and cleft comparing to the right one (Mike).
Also the right one has a LOT op lipstick and lipliner to make his lips look bigger. The O2 dude on stage differs a lot from the one off stage.
well he looks the same and I'm sure it's Michael all of them.
The same? Look at the smile! They are not the same. the lips are not the same, the noses don't match, the chin doesn't match.
Is it that some people are afraid to say it's not him because they are afraid to 'hurt' him, or do you really don't see any difference?
Mikes smile and facial expression is way softer than O2 dude's.
I am not sure if one of them is the real MJ, but I think they two are the same person: look at the teeth and both have the same kind of scar( a little line) in the right side of the nose.
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So, I will post another comparisation. O2 dude and soft faced Mike:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/303.jpg)
So I will stick to my question that if O2 dude (ON stage) was Mike, then who are these 3 dudes?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
And I really don't want to go "OMG :o MMS FR/MS Mikaeel me angel maree me" here, but Mike is way better looking than O2 dude... Give the guy some credit!
There are all Michael. He looks great on all 5 pics. :)
4... ;)
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Found this pic
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3643/drkleinadmitsherebuiltm.jpg)
Look at this:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/double2mj1.jpg)
The left one (for us) has a different nose and cleft comparing to the right one (Mike).
Also the right one has a LOT op lipstick and lipliner to make his lips look bigger. The O2 dude on stage differs a lot from the one off stage.
well he looks the same and I'm sure it's Michael all of them.
The same? Look at the smile! They are not the same. the lips are not the same, the noses don't match, the chin doesn't match.
Is it that some people are afraid to say it's not him because they are afraid to 'hurt' him, or do you really don't see any difference?
Mikes smile and facial expression is way softer than O2 dude's.
I am not sure if one of them is the real MJ, but I think they two are the same person: look at the teeth and both have the same kind of scar( a little line) in the right side of the nose.
You guys need to see ghosts again, or other movies with prostetic make-up and false teeth...
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So, I will post another comparisation. O2 dude and soft faced Mike:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/303.jpg)
So I will stick to my question that if O2 dude (ON stage) was Mike, then who are these 3 dudes?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
And I really don't want to go "OMG :o MMS FR/MS Mikaeel me angel maree me" here, but Mike is way better looking than O2 dude... Give the guy some credit!
There are all Michael. He looks great on all 5 pics. :)
4... ;)
ok 4 if you say it lol I still think the «o2 guys» is Michael.
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Hahaha, it's still all Michael IMHO.
The photo's of 02-Arena are photoshopped to let his skin look more smooth I think.
Michael himself was in London, so why should he let a double do the conference? Doesn't make sense to me.
I sure will look into prostetic make-up just to surprise myself. But I know it takes many many hours to transform somebody to look so similar to be a perfect double. Then another person (at least 1) must also be in the hoax, the make-up artist.
The only doubles Michael maybe ushed sometimes are doubles we don't see close-up.
Rollercoaster .... :mrgreen:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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Hahaha, it's still all Michael IMHO.
The photo's of 02-Arena are photoshopped to let his skin look more smooth I think.
Photoshop normally makes you more handsome and does not sharpen your smile, if you get what I am trying to say. The smile is off, so is the long chin and the lines in the face.
Michael himself was in London, so why should he let a double do the conference? Doesn't make sense to me.
Because it is staged, he was about to hoax his death.
I sure will look into prostetic make-up just to surprise myself. But I know it takes many many hours to transform somebody to look so similar to be a perfect double. Then another person (at least 1) must also be in the hoax, the make-up artist.
The only doubles Michael maybe ushed sometimes are doubles we don't see close-up.
Rollercoaster .... :mrgreen:
Like you say, it will take hours, but that doesn't mean it's not possible ;)
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MJ face changes every month for years.
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Found this pic
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3643/drkleinadmitsherebuiltm.jpg)
in one image he has lipstick on, there is no v shape in his lip on the left pic, and on the right pic that looks like a double or a sickly extra skinny michael. and i doubt michael went from healthy to sickly in 2 months.
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Photoshop normally makes you more handsome and does not sharpen your smile, if you get what I am trying to say. The smile is off, so is the long chin and the lines in the face.
My theory about O2 is that Michael on purpose wore a very ugly wig and acted very strange, like he was on drugs (sometimes quite angry with his fist to the public).
It was IMO the beginning of the hoax to confuse people on purpose, so they could say later that he was high on the conference (the drugsproblem).
Still Michael to me and I think he looked pretty when he smiled.
But who knows, the future hopefully tells everything .. ;)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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look at the spot where the bottom of the nostrils start to where the top of the lip is, and you can clearly see a size difference, also the noses shaped differently, and the chin is different from pic to pic.
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look at the spot where the bottom of the nostrils start to where the top of the lip is, and you can clearly see a size difference, also the noses shaped differently, and the chin is different from pic to pic.
On the left photo he looks above and wears to much lipstick IMO ... ;)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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DUDE!!!!!!
5-21-09 is so NOT Michael Jackson!!!!!! I can't believe some don't see it!! It's blows my mind seriously.
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i think they are used to seeing him change that they think he can change daily, but you cant change your cleft back and fourth like the wind, and your eyes and face shape doesnt change like that either.
on the rich and famous it was said he has many many doubles
he has doubles and we all know this, why fight it. its on video, he has double that are not ecasanova and others, its how he rolls.
SOMETIMES I DONT KNOW WHO IS CRAZIER, US FOR THINKING HE HAS DOUBLES OR YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK HE DOESNT.
i FIND IT HARD TO BELEIVE THAT MICHAEL JACKSON WITH ALL HIS ISSUES DOESNT HAVE A DOUBLE THAT IS CLOSER TO HIS LOOK THEN YOU ALL EXPECT.
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The first picture is NOT Michael. It's a photoshopped picture, I think to show he has had plastic surgery or that his face has changed, I don't like that picture, notice how the left side of his face is very different from the right.
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Doubles have been used for high profile people for centuries, it's an established historical fact. They are called "dopplegangers" you can look it up. For example, Sadaam Hussein had one that fooled the US military on at least one ocassion.
Can't deny facts.
Ps. It's interesting people accept the concept of photoshopping pics of Michael to not look like Michael more readily then they accept the concept of a double.
Why would you have a pic photoshopped to make you look differently and be less flattering? Not logical.
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Found this pic
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3643/drkleinadmitsherebuiltm.jpg)
in one image he has lipstick on, there is no v shape in his lip on the left pic, and on the right pic that looks like a double or a sickly extra skinny michael. and i doubt michael went from healthy to sickly in 2 months.
Michael's never had the v shape in his lip, he would make it with lipstick ;)
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Doubles have been used for high profile people for centuries, it's an established historical fact. They are called "dopplegangers" you can look it up. For example, Sadaam Hussein had one that fooled the US military on at least one ocassion.
Can't deny facts.
Ps. It's interesting people accept the concept of photoshopping pics of Michael to not look like Michael more readily then they accept the concept of a double.
Why would you have a pic photoshopped to make you look differently and be less flattering? Not logical.
agreed
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Michael's never had the v shape in his lip, he would make it with lipstick ;)
I the "v" is natural
i doubt he made it when he was younger, as you can see in the pictures above.
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You guys almost sound funny.
You're claiming that the doubles can look more like Michael, than Michael does himself :lol:
Oh give me a break! :lol:
The only thing that looks slightly different on Michael is the cleft, like that's enough to call him a double?
There is no such thing as doubles looking exactly like someone else. You want to have the proof? -> As long as I know we're still living on planet Earth in the year 2010 not a Si-Fi movie.
(http://thephotizo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/reality-check.jpg)
Thank you!
You guys are watching many movies.
i am so sorry, I don't want to sound rude but ... longtime fans are sure: NO double.
where did they live all this time?
below the soil?? oh nooo nooo come on!
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It is all Mike
teeth are the same and NO YOU CANNOT DUPICATE THOSE TEETH.. I worked with special effect make up and you cannot duplicate teeth like that... no way
You can come close but when the camera and the lights are so bright you would see they are fake
I know Michael for years.. and his look has changed..
Also you can see his fingers... he has arthritis... the dark skin under his nails are because of Vitiligo.. he could not lighten the skin there
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The double(s) are paid to do a job, when the job is over, he/they go back to their normal lives. What makes you think they need to be locked away, they are only pretending to be MJ for as long as he needs them to. If indeed doubles were used at all. Its no big deal, lots of stars use doubles - its been going on for years.
I don't want to get into this, but how exactly would these guys be able to go around with a face that looks just like MJ's? They would alter their face forever just for this? I'm not doubting or agreeing to anything, I just wonder..
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let me see how to answer this, his impersantors have said on video they would get even more surgery if need be.
So now if those guys would do that to look as much like him as possible then why is it absurd for michael to find someone who is willing to do this and do it for millions living at his estate or wherever at all times. ITS A JOB.
secret service have no life and neither do doubles
now its not like everyone pays to have a double but sadam has, bush has, obama does and michael does and few others in history.
AND ONE MORE THING. BEFORE YOU PEOPLE START WITH THE "" IM NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE ......" FOLLOWED BY WHATEVER YOU TYPE
YOUR ACTUALLY BEING RUDE AND ILL TELL YOU WHY
IF YOU BELIEVE MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE AND THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH, THEN OBVIOUSLY ALOT HAS GONE INTO MAKING THAT HAPPEN, NOW IF THE IDEA OF MICHAEL JACKSON HOAXING HIS DEATH ISNT FAR FETCHED THEN I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD JUST NOT POST.
IF ITS NOT CRAZY THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH THEN NO ONES THEORY,IDEA IS CRAZY. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.
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let me see how to answer this, his impersantors have said on video they would get even more surgery if need be.
So now if those guys would do that to look as much like him as possible then why is it absurd for michael to find someone who is willing to do this and do it for millions living at his estate or wherever at all times. ITS A JOB.
secret service have no life and neither do doubles
now its not like everyone pays to have a double but sadam has, bush has, obama does and michael does and few others in history.
AND ONE MORE THING. BEFORE YOU PEOPLE START WITH THE "" IM NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE ......" FOLLOWED BY WHATEVER YOU TYPE
YOUR ACTUALLY BEING RUDE AND ILL TELL YOU WHY
IF YOU BELIEVE MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE AND THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH, THEN OBVIOUSLY ALOT HAS GONE INTO MAKING THAT HAPPEN, NOW IF THE IDEA OF MICHAEL JACKSON HOAXING HIS DEATH ISNT FAR FETCHED THEN I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD JUST NOT POST.
IF ITS NOT CRAZY THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH THEN NO ONES THEORY,IDEA IS CRAZY. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.
A-FUCKING-MEN.
And if I see one more post about "long time fans" or "real fans" I swear to god it'll be too soon. I'm so so so so SO sick of that shit.
long time fans, real fans, blah blah blah... maybe this is the problem, no? "Long time" fans and "real" fans are so blind by emotion they can no longer SEE.
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The 8 months i spent staring at my pc,investigating, chatting, reading forums, talking to others, doing tons of research and watching every video out there isnt enough, now i have to own every record and have gone to every concert in order for me to be accepted.
Im not a fan enough maybe. maybe i should be punished for not owning michael memorabilia and knowing every word to every song. God forgive me for not wearing my white glove.
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Good points and insight. Please keep in mind that to the average "Joe" or "Jane" that hiring body doubles is a unique concept. It is not something that most people readily think about other than stunt doubles or under studies for theater plays or movies. It is something that many, including myself, are finally opening our eyes to. There is a whole world out there that many people are just now learning about. It takes time to digest and deal with. For those of you who have done the research to open our eyes...thanks for filling us in on what may have really been happening with MJ.
BTW- your avatar is scary as (fill in the blank). :lol:
let me see how to answer this, his impersantors have said on video they would get even more surgery if need be.
So now if those guys would do that to look as much like him as possible then why is it absurd for michael to find someone who is willing to do this and do it for millions living at his estate or wherever at all times. ITS A JOB.
secret service have no life and neither do doubles
now its not like everyone pays to have a double but sadam has, bush has, obama does and michael does and few others in history.
AND ONE MORE THING. BEFORE YOU PEOPLE START WITH THE "" IM NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE ......" FOLLOWED BY WHATEVER YOU TYPE
YOUR ACTUALLY BEING RUDE AND ILL TELL YOU WHY
IF YOU BELIEVE MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE AND THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH, THEN OBVIOUSLY ALOT HAS GONE INTO MAKING THAT HAPPEN, NOW IF THE IDEA OF MICHAEL JACKSON HOAXING HIS DEATH ISNT FAR FETCHED THEN I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD JUST NOT POST.
IF ITS NOT CRAZY THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH THEN NO ONES THEORY,IDEA IS CRAZY. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.
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The 8 months i spent staring at my pc,investigating, chatting, reading forums, talking to others, doing tons of research and watching every video out there isnt enough, now i have to own every record and have gone to every concert in order for me to be accepted.
Im not a fan enough maybe. maybe i should be punished for not owning michael memorabilia and knowing every word to every song. God forgive me for not wearing my white glove.
Damnit you totally stole my glove comment. Ok fine, i see MY glove comment and raise you a "where the fuck is your fedora you poser?"
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And if I see one more post about "long time fans" or "real fans" I swear to god it'll be too soon. I'm so so so so SO sick of that shit.
The 8 months i spent staring at my pc,investigating, chatting, reading forums, talking to others, doing tons of research and watching every video out there isnt enough, now i have to own every record and have gone to every concert in order for me to be accepted.
Im not a fan enough maybe. maybe i should be punished for not owning michael memorabilia and knowing every word to every song. God forgive me for not wearing my white glove.
I know, you two, I've only been a fan for a year and a half and I'm so poor I can't afford anything, and I've seen so many people before (not here) that try to assert that they are more "valuable" or that they "know Michael better than me" because they've "been fans since the J5 days, I'll never understand how it feels to ____" It's not really fair at all to say that you are a "real fan" because not everyone can have the exact same life circumstances as you..
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let me see how to answer this, his impersantors have said on video they would get even more surgery if need be.
So now if those guys would do that to look as much like him as possible then why is it absurd for michael to find someone who is willing to do this and do it for millions living at his estate or wherever at all times. ITS A JOB.
secret service have no life and neither do doubles
now its not like everyone pays to have a double but sadam has, bush has, obama does and michael does and few others in history.
AND ONE MORE THING. BEFORE YOU PEOPLE START WITH THE "" IM NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE ......" FOLLOWED BY WHATEVER YOU TYPE
YOUR ACTUALLY BEING RUDE AND ILL TELL YOU WHY
IF YOU BELIEVE MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE AND THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH, THEN OBVIOUSLY ALOT HAS GONE INTO MAKING THAT HAPPEN, NOW IF THE IDEA OF MICHAEL JACKSON HOAXING HIS DEATH ISNT FAR FETCHED THEN I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD JUST NOT POST.
IF ITS NOT CRAZY THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH THEN NO ONES THEORY,IDEA IS CRAZY. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.
A-FUCKING-MEN.
And if I see one more post about "long time fans" or "real fans" I swear to god it'll be too soon. I'm so so so so SO sick of that shit.
long time fans, real fans, blah blah blah... maybe this is the problem, no? "Long time" fans and "real" fans are so blind by emotion they can no longer SEE.
did u read the coments here?
people are sheeps, they are not really seeing anything ''oh its a double 'coz his hair is different'' my balls!
That is my opinion!
long time friends, don't believe in double(this is a Common Belief NOT an insult)! ( i don't care if u know MJ since 1958, or past month. you need to know me first. Anyone who knows me is aware that i hate this ''i am better than u 'coz i am fan since blablabla'' it doens't matter)
this is NOT A COMPETITION, i just said that I think the fans know who is MJ.
now this ''i just can believe peope still think the dude at O2 is MJ'' sorry this is disrespectful!
Now, i believe that is michael (until July I had my doubts). what am i? stupid?
No drama, ok?
( and please don't use caps lock)
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another thing to add to the non believers..this thread is not to see whos more of a fan of michael or who knows michael better than the other person...this site is an INVESTIGATION and we are INVESTIGATING the hoax as well as the high possibility that michael jackson has been using prominent decoys or doubles through out his career and some of you have call this "sci-Fi" and "crazy" but remember its just a theory just like any other theories on this forum that others may even find crazy or sci-fi..we all love michael and i get the feeling that those that love him feel as though if they buy into the fact that he has been using doubles will feel hurt by it or disrespecting michael, my question is why and how and this too "IF MICHAEL JACKSON THE KING OF POP/ILLUSIONIST CAN PULL OFF THE GREATEST HOAX OF ALL TIME THAT WASNT PLANNED MONTHS AGO OR EVEN A YEAR BUT FOR SOMETIME CAN GET US TO BELIEVE HE'S ALIVE!! YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT HE CANT GET PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU AND ME THAT LOVE AND ADMIRE HIM TO GET THEM TO BE A DOUBLE OR A DECOY FOR HIM?? SERIOUSLY ASK YOURSELF IF MICHAEL JACKSON OFFERED ME A CHANCE OF A LIFETIME TO BE LIKE HIM AND LOOK LIKE HIM FOR A DAY OR AT ANYTIME, YOU MEAN TO TELL ME YOU YOU WOULD SAY NO TO THAT!!???? 8-)
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let me see how to answer this, his impersantors have said on video they would get even more surgery if need be.
So now if those guys would do that to look as much like him as possible then why is it absurd for michael to find someone who is willing to do this and do it for millions living at his estate or wherever at all times. ITS A JOB.
secret service have no life and neither do doubles
now its not like everyone pays to have a double but sadam has, bush has, obama does and michael does and few others in history.
AND ONE MORE THING. BEFORE YOU PEOPLE START WITH THE "" IM NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE ......" FOLLOWED BY WHATEVER YOU TYPE
YOUR ACTUALLY BEING RUDE AND ILL TELL YOU WHY
IF YOU BELIEVE MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE AND THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH, THEN OBVIOUSLY ALOT HAS GONE INTO MAKING THAT HAPPEN, NOW IF THE IDEA OF MICHAEL JACKSON HOAXING HIS DEATH ISNT FAR FETCHED THEN I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD JUST NOT POST.
IF ITS NOT CRAZY THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH THEN NO ONES THEORY,IDEA IS CRAZY. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.
A-FUCKING-MEN.
And if I see one more post about "long time fans" or "real fans" I swear to god it'll be too soon. I'm so so so so SO sick of that shit.
long time fans, real fans, blah blah blah... maybe this is the problem, no? "Long time" fans and "real" fans are so blind by emotion they can no longer SEE.
did u read the coments here?
people are sheeps, they are not really seeing anything ''oh its a double 'coz his hair is different'' my balls!
That is my opinion!
long time friends, don't believe in double(this is a Common Belief NOT an insult)! ( i don't care if u know MJ since 1958, or past month. you need to know me first. Anyone who knows me is aware that i hate this ''i am better than u 'coz i am fan since blablabla'' it doens't matter)
this is NOT A COMPETITION
, i just said that I think the fans know who is MJ. now this ''i just can believe peope still think the dude at O2 is MJ'' sorry this is disrespectful!
Now, i believe that is michael (until July I had my doubts). what am i? stupid?
No drama, ok?
( and please don't use caps lock)
lol
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let me see how to answer this, his impersantors have said on video they would get even more surgery if need be.
So now if those guys would do that to look as much like him as possible then why is it absurd for michael to find someone who is willing to do this and do it for millions living at his estate or wherever at all times. ITS A JOB.
secret service have no life and neither do doubles
now its not like everyone pays to have a double but sadam has, bush has, obama does and michael does and few others in history.
AND ONE MORE THING. BEFORE YOU PEOPLE START WITH THE "" IM NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE ......" FOLLOWED BY WHATEVER YOU TYPE
YOUR ACTUALLY BEING RUDE AND ILL TELL YOU WHY
IF YOU BELIEVE MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE AND THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH, THEN OBVIOUSLY ALOT HAS GONE INTO MAKING THAT HAPPEN, NOW IF THE IDEA OF MICHAEL JACKSON HOAXING HIS DEATH ISNT FAR FETCHED THEN I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD JUST NOT POST.
IF ITS NOT CRAZY THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH THEN NO ONES THEORY,IDEA IS CRAZY. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.
A-FUCKING-MEN.
And if I see one more post about "long time fans" or "real fans" I swear to god it'll be too soon. I'm so so so so SO sick of that shit.
long time fans, real fans, blah blah blah... maybe this is the problem, no? "Long time" fans and "real" fans are so blind by emotion they can no longer SEE.
did u read the coments here?
people are sheeps, they are not really seeing anything ''oh its a double 'coz his hair is different'' my balls!
That is my opinion!
long time friends, don't believe in double(this is a Common Belief NOT an insult)! ( i don't care if u know MJ since 1958, or past month. you need to know me first. Anyone who knows me is aware that i hate this ''i am better than u 'coz i am fan since blablabla'' it doens't matter)
this is NOT A COMPETITION
, i just said that I think the fans know who is MJ. now this ''i just can believe peope still think the dude at O2 is MJ'' sorry this is disrespectful!
Now, i believe that is michael (until July I had my doubts). what am i? stupid?
No drama, ok?
( and please don't use caps lock)
lol
''When Argument Fails''
There is a big difference between full text and a sentence (btw, that was for badkolo, not for u)
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I'll just put all them in a line. The best "hee hee!" it's OMG! It's Michael! :o :lol: :lol:
C'mon, guys! Calm down... ;)
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I'll just put all them in a line. The best "hee hee!" it's OMG! It's Michael! :o :lol: :lol:
C'mon, guys! Calm down... ;)
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let me see how to answer this, his impersantors have said on video they would get even more surgery if need be.
So now if those guys would do that to look as much like him as possible then why is it absurd for michael to find someone who is willing to do this and do it for millions living at his estate or wherever at all times. ITS A JOB.
secret service have no life and neither do doubles
now its not like everyone pays to have a double but sadam has, bush has, obama does and michael does and few others in history.
AND ONE MORE THING. BEFORE YOU PEOPLE START WITH THE "" IM NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE ......" FOLLOWED BY WHATEVER YOU TYPE
YOUR ACTUALLY BEING RUDE AND ILL TELL YOU WHY
IF YOU BELIEVE MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE AND THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH, THEN OBVIOUSLY ALOT HAS GONE INTO MAKING THAT HAPPEN, NOW IF THE IDEA OF MICHAEL JACKSON HOAXING HIS DEATH ISNT FAR FETCHED THEN I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD JUST NOT POST.
IF ITS NOT CRAZY THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH THEN NO ONES THEORY,IDEA IS CRAZY. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.
A-FUCKING-MEN.
And if I see one more post about "long time fans" or "real fans" I swear to god it'll be too soon. I'm so so so so SO sick of that shit.
long time fans, real fans, blah blah blah... maybe this is the problem, no? "Long time" fans and "real" fans are so blind by emotion they can no longer SEE.
did u read the comments here?
people are sheeps, they are not really seeing anything ''oh its a double 'coz his hair is different'' my balls!
That is my opinion!
long time friends, don't believe in double(this is a Common Belief NOT an insult)! ( i don't care if u know MJ since 1958, or past month. you need to know me first. Anyone who knows me is aware that i hate this ''i am better than u 'coz i am fan since blablabla'' it doens't matter)
this is NOT A COMPETITION
, i just said that I think the fans know who is MJ. now this ''i just can believe peope still think the dude at O2 is MJ'' sorry this is disrespectful!
Now, i believe that is michael (until July I had my doubts). what am i? stupid?
No drama, ok?
( and please don't use caps lock)
lol
''When Argument Fails''
There is a big difference between full text and a sentence (btw, that was for badkolo, not for u)
HUH, what just happened, towards me, why?? The whole point is everyone can believe what they want, just dont poke fun at others for thinking differently, im sick of hearing the implication the we are crazy for thinking there are doubles, now if the ones like you mentioned, THE SHEEP, those people arent my problem. Everyone has thier own brain, its sad to see that this thread has been hijacked by pages and pages worth of snide remarks, THIS IS A HOAX SITE, ,, if someone doesnt agree there is a double somewhere ein michaels life then great, and they can even say that, but thats not whats happening, its not just this thread, its many threads , its the blogs, its been a issue and i want it to stop and thats that. As I stated this is a hoax site that deals with the possibility that michael jackson hoaxed his death, that in itself is shocking, im ok that he hoaxed his death and inturn im ok with any idea, theory, thought regarding anything that deals with michael jackson.
That goes for twins, doubles, look a likes, tons of surgeries, fake court dates(hoaxed), kids not being his, kids being kliens, joe is bad, joe is good, illuminati, obama is involved, this was planned last year, this was planned this year. this was planned 20 years ago, paris cried, no she didnt. shes in on it, this is a movie, theres 2 movies.
all of that is what this is about, its all open and its all allowed, if your pretentious and so worried about people offending michaels name then leave this site and dont come back.
If you are bothered by how far a theory can go, then leave that thread, dont go crying to the whole world about it.
The same way i change the channel when my kid sis is watching something she shouldnt.
I dont get how anyone here has the nerve to judge anyone ESPECIALLY ON A HOAX SITE, as i said 10 times, If your not bothered by michael hoaxing his death then how dare anyone judge any other theory that we come up with including this thread.
OH and while your post was directed at me mjalive999 this post is not directed towards you.
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well ,well , well chill people , im just wondering why some people who disagree with those pics , being of doubles , just try to convince other members they are RIGHT , and you suggest adms and mods in this forum , to let us THINK for ourselves , well ure just doing the opposite my dear friends , if u believe in the double theories thats fine , if u dont , pass by drop a respectful opinion and go to another section in this lovely forum , no biggie.
remember , this is HOAX ,(of course if u really really believe it) we are discussing here something with thousand of possibilities , maybe you just have to post the theory " michael hoaxed his death , he just hold his breath , nobody helped him , he did it all byhimself" so there u can debunk , illuminaty , doubles , authopsy , etc etc theories, why we just dont face the many possibilities of this hoax , prostetic make up , doubles , goverment agency help , etc , anything s possible and as MO said with $$$$$ u can do anything , just think before you post and disrespect other people`s opinion,.
ok you dont agree , you dont believe in doubles thats your opinion , you say u need proof , well there is no proof of doubles in this hoax ,neither proof of not doubles in this hoax.
be nice
p.d : u owe me a headache lmao
gold pants and fingers (as a request by my personal doc ...not murray btw)
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I just think it's really annoying that if one day He turns back there will be a fight - IS IT HIM OR NOT??
How would he feels if we begin to claim the REAL ONE as a double? :?
I'm not here to fight.
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well ,well , well chill people , im just wondering why some people who disagree with those pics , being of doubles , just try to convince other members they are RIGHT , and you suggest adms and mods in this forum , to let us THINK for ourselves , well ure just doing the opposite my dear friends , if u believe in the double theories thats fine , if u dont , pass by drop a respectful opinion and go to another section in this lovely forum , no biggie.
remember , this is HOAX ,(of course if u really really believe it) we are discussing here something with thousand of possibilities , maybe you just have to post the theory " michael hoaxed his death , he just hold his breath , nobody helped him , he did it all byhimself" so there u can debunk , illuminaty , doubles , authopsy , etc etc theories, why we just dont face the many possibilities of this hoax , prostetic make up , doubles , goverment agency help , etc , anything s possible and as MO said with $$$$$ u can do anything , just think before you post and disrespect other people`s opinion,.
ok you dont agree , you dont believe in doubles thats your opinion , you say u need proof , well there is no proof of doubles in this hoax ,neither proof of not doubles in this hoax.
be nice
p.d : u owe me a headache lmao
gold pants
LMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.......mary you will have to come visit me and have talk with my boot.
I was thinking about the issue of money and how money can get you pretty much anything. A friend of mine shared a proverb with me (I believe it is a Chinese proverb and sounds cooler in Chinese-someone please correct me if I am wrong):
If a problem can be solved by money then it's not a problem:)
Peace/Love/Hoax/Michael
LovetheGlove (KL/klhayes)
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amen,
$$$$$$$$$$$
gold pants and fingers
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let me see how to answer this, his impersantors have said on video they would get even more surgery if need be.
So now if those guys would do that to look as much like him as possible then why is it absurd for michael to find someone who is willing to do this and do it for millions living at his estate or wherever at all times. ITS A JOB.
secret service have no life and neither do doubles
now its not like everyone pays to have a double but sadam has, bush has, obama does and michael does and few others in history.
AND ONE MORE THING. BEFORE YOU PEOPLE START WITH THE "" IM NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE ......" FOLLOWED BY WHATEVER YOU TYPE
YOUR ACTUALLY BEING RUDE AND ILL TELL YOU WHY
IF YOU BELIEVE MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE AND THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH, THEN OBVIOUSLY ALOT HAS GONE INTO MAKING THAT HAPPEN, NOW IF THE IDEA OF MICHAEL JACKSON HOAXING HIS DEATH ISNT FAR FETCHED THEN I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD JUST NOT POST.
IF ITS NOT CRAZY THAT HE HOAXED HIS DEATH THEN NO ONES THEORY,IDEA IS CRAZY. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.
A-FUCKING-MEN.
And if I see one more post about "long time fans" or "real fans" I swear to god it'll be too soon. I'm so so so so SO sick of that shit.
long time fans, real fans, blah blah blah... maybe this is the problem, no? "Long time" fans and "real" fans are so blind by emotion they can no longer SEE.
did u read the comments here?
people are sheeps, they are not really seeing anything ''oh its a double 'coz his hair is different'' my balls!
That is my opinion!
long time friends, don't believe in double(this is a Common Belief NOT an insult)! ( i don't care if u know MJ since 1958, or past month. you need to know me first. Anyone who knows me is aware that i hate this ''i am better than u 'coz i am fan since blablabla'' it doens't matter)
this is NOT A COMPETITION
, i just said that I think the fans know who is MJ. now this ''i just can believe peope still think the dude at O2 is MJ'' sorry this is disrespectful!
Now, i believe that is michael (until July I had my doubts). what am i? stupid?
No drama, ok?
( and please don't use caps lock)
lol
''When Argument Fails''
There is a big difference between full text and a sentence (btw, that was for badkolo, not for u)
HUH, what just happened, towards me, why?? The whole point is everyone can believe what they want, just dont poke fun at others for thinking differently, im sick of hearing the implication the we are crazy for thinking there are doubles, now if the ones like you mentioned, THE SHEEP, those people arent my problem. Everyone has thier own brain, its sad to see that this thread has been hijacked by pages and pages worth of snide remarks, THIS IS A HOAX SITE, ,, if someone doesnt agree there is a double somewhere ein michaels life then great, and they can even say that, but thats not whats happening, its not just this thread, its many threads , its the blogs, its been a issue and i want it to stop and thats that. As I stated this is a hoax site that deals with the possibility that michael jackson hoaxed his death, that in itself is shocking, im ok that he hoaxed his death and inturn im ok with any idea, theory, thought regarding anything that deals with michael jackson.
That goes for twins, doubles, look a likes, tons of surgeries, fake court dates(hoaxed), kids not being his, kids being kliens, joe is bad, joe is good, illuminati, obama is involved, this was planned last year, this was planned this year. this was planned 20 years ago, paris cried, no she didnt. shes in on it, this is a movie, theres 2 movies.
all of that is what this is about, its all open and its all allowed, if your pretentious and so worried about people offending michaels name then leave this site and dont come back.
If you are bothered by how far a theory can go, then leave that thread, dont go crying to the whole world about it.
The same way i change the channel when my kid sis is watching something she shouldnt.
I dont get how anyone here has the nerve to judge anyone ESPECIALLY ON A HOAX SITE, as i said 10 times, If your not bothered by michael hoaxing his death then how dare anyone judge any other theory that we come up with including this thread.
OH and while your post was directed at me mjalive999 this post is not directed towards you.
Good post. And yet again badkolo, this proves why you the boss.
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And Mary, just for you (and me too like one of those lame Christmas presents you get for your roommate even though it's really for yourself)
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1514/86753526.gif)
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And Mary, just for you (and me too like one of those lame Christmas presents you get for your roommate even though it's really for yourself)
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1514/86753526.gif)
:oops:
thanks bec from usa , but where is the happy squirrel???? :lol: :lol:
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Mary, this a family board, lol.
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Thirsty fish - don't look for bread. It's water.
The microscopes are badly and in detail needed for the entourage and what happened.
Not for Michael. He had that for forever and a day and it never helped him.
JMHO
P.E.A.C.E.
We are one and not many.
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I am totally blown away by some statements I came across while catching up on this thread.
Let me explain something. I'd say that the majority of people on this board have no experience whatsoever with the music industry. Now I'm not saying I know it all because I don't, but at least I have been around in the business long enough to know what things are going on behind the scenes.
The entertainment industry is one big illusion. Artists, producers, managers and agencies will show you want they want you to see, and will let you listen to what they want you to hear. Publicity campaigns are put together to target audiences in different age groups, and an enormous strategy is involved in order to accomplish this. It's like one big movie script.
Have you ever been to a recording studio? Have you ever been present at a set where they record music videos? Have you ever been present at an artist's photo shoot for a promotional campaign? Do you have any idea what is done to create that big illusion you see and hear? If the answer to all these questions is NO, I'd really like you to think twice before you make comments which are not based on any knowledge nor experience...
Huge amounts of money are involved and invested in the entertainment industry, and money can buy ANYTHING. Google ProTools, harmonizers, compressors, equalizers and other related recording studio equipment, listen to samples. A song is not "ready to go" after simply recording the voice and the instruments. If that was the case, all these major label producers would be out of a job today. Go on youtube and watch "the making of" just anything in order to see what can and is done to manipulate any sort of film and video footage.
Now as for the use of doubles and I'd rather call them doppelgangers - the use of doppelgangers among the high profile celebrities, royalties, presidents etcetera is common knowledge to those surrounding them. People are paid big bucks to provide a service of being the double for the person they're being employed by. It's done for security reasons and diversion. There's nothing new about that.
If there shouldn't have been doubt about the use of doubles in This Is It, there would have been perfect doubles in the movie, looking and moving exactly like Mike. Since (in my opinion, as I see many differences) that wasn't done, to me it shows that we are to investigate these doubles and find out as to WHY they were used.
This has nothing to do with discrediting Mike, were here to investigate a hoax, and every single stone should be turned in order to get to the bottom of this.
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Doubles have been used for high profile people for centuries, it's an established historical fact. They are called "dopplegangers" you can look it up. For example, Sadaam Hussein had one that fooled the US military on at least one ocassion.
Can't deny facts.
Ps. It's interesting people accept the concept of photoshopping pics of Michael to not look like Michael more readily then they accept the concept of a double.
Why would you have a pic photoshopped to make you look differently and be less flattering? Not logical.
It is not a new thing - and MJ has admitted to having doubles he uses as decoys anyway.
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You guys almost sound funny.
You're claiming that the doubles can look more like Michael, than Michael does himself :lol:
Oh give me a break! :lol:
The only thing that looks slightly different on Michael is the cleft, like that's enough to call him a double?
There is no such thing as doubles looking exactly like someone else. You want to have the proof? -> As long as I know we're still living on planet Earth in the year 2010 not a Si-Fi movie.
(http://thephotizo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/reality-check.jpg)
Have u ever heard of prostetic make up? Like mike wore in the ghost video? That's how u can look like someone
Now we're getting desperate.
You can't prosthetic make up your voice or eyes.
And besides, it would take a super-human to do a job good enough to make you look exactly like MJ.
Have u seen the eyes of the O2 guy? Or have you seen the eyes of the red pants guy, or any other doubles in te TII? Well u must have an eagle-eye because they had sunglasses on them.
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The 8 months i spent staring at my pc,investigating, chatting, reading forums, talking to others, doing tons of research and watching every video out there isnt enough, now i have to own every record and have gone to every concert in order for me to be accepted.
Im not a fan enough maybe. maybe i should be punished for not owning michael memorabilia and knowing every word to every song. God forgive me for not wearing my white glove.
:lol: Yeah maybe that's the problem with me also...I'll go ASAP and fix this problem. Maybe in the white glove I'll understand that Mike doesn't have any doubles and better to watch TII again maybe that's ALLLL him
Am i a fan enough now? Oh no wait, guys....i'm getting blind..i can't see the differences between my brother and my coffee-machine... :shock:
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I think this whole thread is getting ridiculous :roll:
Why aren't you able to respect each others opinions? It is fact, that Michael used doubles, just look for an Interview with E'Cas on youtube....
If he used them for TII, I'm still not sure, but I really wonder, why parts of songs in TII are Playback and not live..
But okay....go continue attack each other and diss each other....really respectful
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please lock this thread, no more fightning :cry: be respectful to each other, Michael dont wanna see us FIGHT..
HEAL THE WORLD, L.O.V.E!
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Yes, get rid of this thread - people obviously can't discuss the subject sensibly.
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I found some very nice...."Adventures magazine for kids "1993 June.Michael Jackson with (guess)..Pinocchio !And on the cover appears 25 and june and Pinocchio !...What you think ? 8-)
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Yes Michael used doubles but look at Navi or ecasanova... Do they really look like Michael??? NO !! you can see the difference, right? and these people are the ones Michael was using as decoy
Michael is at O2 the lighting is different in the pictures
And yes Mo and Souza.. I have been in the business for 28 years, I have been in studio recordings, photoshoots, movie sets, special effetcs (computerized and non computerized)...yes you can alter the voice and change the look but not like this....
Of course we edit to show only what the public is supposed to see
BTW I have been in one of your studios in Holland back in 85.. that is where i met Van Verhoven (good director)
If what your claim is true why ECasasano and Navi do not look EXACTLY like Michael???
This thread is becoming ridiculous
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There were loads of scenes filmed from a distance - I'm not talking about the close-ups (please read my posts properly). The filmed rehearsals were done in two days not months. MJ was rehearsing by himself before he went to the Staples Centre. They only filmed certain parts of the rehearsals. If you did a bit more research, you would have known this.
I think I see what youre saying also. I just got my copy of TII today(Aus release date) and I saw two instances where I could not see the facial features at all of MJ while performing. It wasn't for whole songs but was within the songs, like the segments were spliced in. I am convinced that these instances are the real doubles in TII. From the fleeting impressions, I got a sense of the person being possibly Navi Because exact likeness wasn't necessary as the features were indistinguishable . Couldn't rewatch it as I had to leave for work. I also noticed that MJ mixed and matched a lot of his clothing wearing a different shirt with same undershirt and black pants. Made me realize that His parts weren't filmed over a longer period of time. The rest of the cast were probably rehearsing for the full period. Now I need sleep and I will examine further tomorrow.
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please lock this thread, no more fightning :cry: be respectful to each other, Michael dont wanna see us FIGHT..
Yes, get rid of this thread - people obviously can't discuss the subject sensibly.
No, this thread will not be locked nor get deleted. This is an important discussion to which people must be able to post.
Every poster is responsible for its own behavior. Rude posts can be individually removed, so there is no need to lock or delete this thread for that.
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by *Mo* » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:02 pm
Victor wrote:please lock this thread, no more fightning :cry: be respectful to each other, Michael dont wanna see us FIGHT..
Datroot wrote:Yes, get rid of this thread - people obviously can't discuss the subject sensibly.
No, this thread will not be locked nor get deleted. This is an important discussion to which people must be able to post.
Every poster is responsible for its own behavior. Rude posts can be individually removed, so there is no need to lock or delete this thread for that.
Mo (and I dn't mean anything offensive) what about other threads that have been locked/deleted? Weren't those people also responsible for their own behaviour? And couldn't rude posts have been deleted in those instances?
I think that this thread is causing a great divide among those on either side, not just a simple disagreement. With some people being openly rude and hostile towards other members and even Michael- or in some people's opinion- a double. I am not saying that the thread should be deleted. But certainly locked. The investigation isn't moving forward with this topic, and may even be holding us back...especially since it cannot be, for the time being, confirmed by the man himself @ the most. Besides, imo other threads have been locked for lesser reasons.
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by *Mo* » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:02 pm
Victor wrote:please lock this thread, no more fightning :cry: be respectful to each other, Michael dont wanna see us FIGHT..
Datroot wrote:Yes, get rid of this thread - people obviously can't discuss the subject sensibly.
No, this thread will not be locked nor get deleted. This is an important discussion to which people must be able to post.
Every poster is responsible for its own behavior. Rude posts can be individually removed, so there is no need to lock or delete this thread for that.
Mo (and I dn't mean anything offensive) what about other threads that have been locked/deleted? Weren't those people also responsible for their own behaviour? And couldn't rude posts have been deleted in those instances?
I think that this thread is causing a great divide among those on either side, not just a simple disagreement. With some people being openly rude and hostile towards other members and even Michael- or in some people's opinion- a double. I am not saying that the thread should be deleted. But certainly locked. The investigation isn't moving forward with this topic, and may even be holding us back...especially since it cannot be, for the time being, confirmed by the man himself @ the most. Besides, imo other threads have been locked for lesser reasons.
First of all, this is the OFFICIAL double thread and for that reason alone it won't be locked. Second: As for your other questions/remarks - I don't think this thread is the appropriate place to discuss those. I'd rather see that appear in the Forum FAQ,...
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This is so sad. :( I don't understand why people can't just respect each other and debate like a tennis game. There have been other threads locked that I came across and wanted to post something but couldn't. If we value certain topics why spoil it for others. Maybe deleting certain mudslinging posts would be more fair than locking.
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To my humble opinion, people choose to be devided. I disagree with a lot of people on the board, but I respect their opinions and I don't try to force my opinion upon them.
Closing this thread doesn't change anyting. Changing your attitude and the way you response to people does. Don't feed the trolls! L.O.V.E.! Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and has the right to use it. :lol:
Back on topic;
I've still not made up my mind about the doubles used in TII. I'm still on cleftwatch though, even though the thread is locked. ;)
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To my humble opinion, people choose to be devided. I disagree with a lot of people on the board, but I respect their opinions and I don't try to force my opinion upon them.
Closing this thread doesn't change anyting. Changing your attitude and the way you response to people does. Don't feed the trolls! L.O.V.E.! Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and has the right to use it. :lol:
Back on topic;
I've still not made up my mind about the doubles used in TII. I'm still on cleftwatch though, even though the thread is locked. ;)
I agree, people don't have to be divided because they don't agree on every single thing. And yes, attitude matters, a lot!
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look what Navi is saying
[youtube:1x5y3uu5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agt88jDQ9s8[/youtube:1x5y3uu5]
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Hahaha, it's still all Michael IMHO.
The photo's of 02-Arena are photoshopped to let his skin look more smooth I think.
Photoshop normally makes you more handsome and does not sharpen your smile, if you get what I am trying to say. The smile is off, so is the long chin and the lines in the face.
Michael himself was in London, so why should he let a double do the conference? Doesn't make sense to me.
Because it is staged, he was about to hoax his death.
I sure will look into prostetic make-up just to surprise myself. But I know it takes many many hours to transform somebody to look so similar to be a perfect double. Then another person (at least 1) must also be in the hoax, the make-up artist.
The only doubles Michael maybe ushed sometimes are doubles we don't see close-up.
Rollercoaster .... :mrgreen:
Like you say, it will take hours, but that doesn't mean it's not possible ;)
have you ever used photoshop? i use it all the time and you can do EVERYTHING on it, you can sharpen or smooth whatever you want, i suggest you try it.
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look what Navi is saying
I just KNEW you were going to do that, so I just sticked with uploading the documentary, hahahaha!
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Hahaha, it's still all Michael IMHO.
The photo's of 02-Arena are photoshopped to let his skin look more smooth I think.
Photoshop normally makes you more handsome and does not sharpen your smile, if you get what I am trying to say. The smile is off, so is the long chin and the lines in the face.
Michael himself was in London, so why should he let a double do the conference? Doesn't make sense to me.
Because it is staged, he was about to hoax his death.
I sure will look into prostetic make-up just to surprise myself. But I know it takes many many hours to transform somebody to look so similar to be a perfect double. Then another person (at least 1) must also be in the hoax, the make-up artist.
The only doubles Michael maybe ushed sometimes are doubles we don't see close-up.
Rollercoaster .... :mrgreen:
Like you say, it will take hours, but that doesn't mean it's not possible ;)
have you ever used photoshop? i use it all the time and you can do EVERYTHING on it, you can sharpen or smooth whatever you want, i suggest you try it.
You really don't have to ask me to try out Photoshop or any other Adobe programs, I know them all very well.
Clearly you don't understand my point, by softer face I mean expression, shape of the mouth when he smiles and the lines and structure of the face, as well as its form.
The corners of the mouth of O2 guy are going up, while Mike's are going down and he has a rounder and more genuine smile.
Don't petronize me Jacksongirl, I'm not a moron.
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look what Navi is saying
I just KNEW you were going to do that, so I just sticked with uploading the documentary, hahahaha!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Let's not forget, theres a VAST difference between a double and an impersonator.
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Hahaha, it's still all Michael IMHO.
The photo's of 02-Arena are photoshopped to let his skin look more smooth I think.
Photoshop normally makes you more handsome and does not sharpen your smile, if you get what I am trying to say. The smile is off, so is the long chin and the lines in the face.
Michael himself was in London, so why should he let a double do the conference? Doesn't make sense to me.
Because it is staged, he was about to hoax his death.
I sure will look into prostetic make-up just to surprise myself. But I know it takes many many hours to transform somebody to look so similar to be a perfect double. Then another person (at least 1) must also be in the hoax, the make-up artist.
The only doubles Michael maybe ushed sometimes are doubles we don't see close-up.
Rollercoaster .... :mrgreen:
Like you say, it will take hours, but that doesn't mean it's not possible ;)
have you ever used photoshop? i use it all the time and you can do EVERYTHING on it, you can sharpen or smooth whatever you want, i suggest you try it.
You really don't have to ask me to try out Photoshop or any other Adobe programs, I know them all very well.
Clearly you don't understand my point, by softer face I mean expression, shape of the mouth when he smiles and the lines and structure of the face, as well as its form.
The corners of the mouth of O2 guy are going up, while Mike's are going down and he has a rounder and more genuine smile.
Don't petronize me Jacksongirl, I'm not a moron.
i'm not calling you a moron, im stating that it is possible to do many things on photoshop if you really know how to use it. simple.
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Hahaha, it's still all Michael IMHO.
The photo's of 02-Arena are photoshopped to let his skin look more smooth I think.
Photoshop normally makes you more handsome and does not sharpen your smile, if you get what I am trying to say. The smile is off, so is the long chin and the lines in the face.
Michael himself was in London, so why should he let a double do the conference? Doesn't make sense to me.
Because it is staged, he was about to hoax his death.
I sure will look into prostetic make-up just to surprise myself. But I know it takes many many hours to transform somebody to look so similar to be a perfect double. Then another person (at least 1) must also be in the hoax, the make-up artist.
The only doubles Michael maybe ushed sometimes are doubles we don't see close-up.
Rollercoaster .... :mrgreen:
Like you say, it will take hours, but that doesn't mean it's not possible ;)
have you ever used photoshop? i use it all the time and you can do EVERYTHING on it, you can sharpen or smooth whatever you want, i suggest you try it.
You really don't have to ask me to try out Photoshop or any other Adobe programs, I know them all very well.
Clearly you don't understand my point, by softer face I mean expression, shape of the mouth when he smiles and the lines and structure of the face, as well as its form.
The corners of the mouth of O2 guy are going up, while Mike's are going down and he has a rounder and more genuine smile.
Don't petronize me Jacksongirl, I'm not a moron.
i'm not calling you a moron, im stating that it is possible to do many things on photoshop if you really know how to use it. simple.
Like I said, I know what photoshop can do, but they are not altering almost 400 pictures of the O2 conference to make the smile and the shape of the face look different from Mike's, there is no use to that.
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Yeah, the first one is definitely him.
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*Mo* » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:29 am
I am totally blown away by some statements I came across while catching up on this thread.
Let me explain something. I'd say that the majority of people on this board have no experience whatsoever with the music industry. Now I'm not saying I know it all because I don't, but at least I have been around in the business long enough to know what things are going on behind the scenes.
The entertainment industry is one big illusion. Artists, producers, managers and agencies will show you want they want you to see, and will let you listen to what they want you to hear. Publicity campaigns are put together to target audiences in different age groups, and an enormous strategy is involved in order to accomplish this. It's like one big movie script.
Have you ever been to a recording studio? Have you ever been present at a set where they record music videos? Have you ever been present at an artist's photo shoot for a promotional campaign? Do you have any idea what is done to create that big illusion you see and hear? If the answer to all these questions is NO, I'd really like you to think twice before you make comments which are not based on any knowledge nor experience...
Huge amounts of money are involved and invested in the entertainment industry, and money can buy ANYTHING. Google ProTools, harmonizers, compressors, equalizers and other related recording studio equipment, listen to samples. A song is not "ready to go" after simply recording the voice and the instruments. If that was the case, all these major label producers would be out of a job today. Go on youtube and watch "the making of" just anything in order to see what can and is done to manipulate any sort of film and video footage.
Now as for the use of doubles and I'd rather call them doppelgangers - the use of doppelgangers among the high profile celebrities, royalties, presidents etcetera is common knowledge to those surrounding them. People are paid big bucks to provide a service of being the double for the person they're being employed by. It's done for security reasons and diversion. There's nothing new about that.
If there shouldn't have been doubt about the use of doubles in This Is It, there would have been perfect doubles in the movie, looking and moving exactly like Mike. Since (in my opinion, as I see many differences) that wasn't done, to me it shows that we are to investigate these doubles and find out as to WHY they were used.
This has nothing to do with discrediting Mike, were here to investigate a hoax, and every single stone should be turned in order to get to the bottom of this.
Mo, Well said.
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Let me explain something. I'd say that the majority of people on this board have no experience whatsoever with the music industry. Now I'm not saying I know it all because I don't, but at least I have been around in the business long enough to know what things are going on behind the scenes.
Have you ever been to a recording studio? Have you ever been present at a set where they record music videos? Have you ever been present at an artist's photo shoot for a promotional campaign? Do you have any idea what is done to create that big illusion you see and hear? If the answer to all these questions is NO, I'd really like you to think twice before you make comments which are not based on any knowledge nor experience...
Huge amounts of money are involved and invested in the entertainment industry, and money can buy ANYTHING. Google ProTools, harmonizers, compressors, equalizers and other related recording studio equipment, listen to samples. A song is not "ready to go" after simply recording the voice and the instruments. If that was the case, all these major label producers would be out of a job today. Go on youtube and watch "the making of" just anything in order to see what can and is done to manipulate any sort of film and video footage.
Now as for the use of doubles and I'd rather call them doppelgangers - the use of doppelgangers among the high profile celebrities, royalties, presidents etcetera is common knowledge to those surrounding them. People are paid big bucks to provide a service of being the double for the person they're being employed by. It's done for security reasons and diversion. There's nothing new about that.
Hello Mo,
Sorry to question on my first post...
I just wanted to ask firstly..Do you mean not to post if we don't have experience in the music industry? That only leaves you that can make a post about it? Do we not post our opinions?
And also...Do you think the O2 press conference was filmed before it was put out, or was it live? Can you use those tools on live footage?
Sorry if these have been answered before, I'm new and need to look around. :)
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Let me explain something. I'd say that the majority of people on this board have no experience whatsoever with the music industry. Now I'm not saying I know it all because I don't, but at least I have been around in the business long enough to know what things are going on behind the scenes.
Have you ever been to a recording studio? Have you ever been present at a set where they record music videos? Have you ever been present at an artist's photo shoot for a promotional campaign? Do you have any idea what is done to create that big illusion you see and hear? If the answer to all these questions is NO, I'd really like you to think twice before you make comments which are not based on any knowledge nor experience...
Huge amounts of money are involved and invested in the entertainment industry, and money can buy ANYTHING. Google ProTools, harmonizers, compressors, equalizers and other related recording studio equipment, listen to samples. A song is not "ready to go" after simply recording the voice and the instruments. If that was the case, all these major label producers would be out of a job today. Go on youtube and watch "the making of" just anything in order to see what can and is done to manipulate any sort of film and video footage.
Now as for the use of doubles and I'd rather call them doppelgangers - the use of doppelgangers among the high profile celebrities, royalties, presidents etcetera is common knowledge to those surrounding them. People are paid big bucks to provide a service of being the double for the person they're being employed by. It's done for security reasons and diversion. There's nothing new about that.
Hello Mo,
Sorry to question on my first post...
I just wanted to ask firstly..Do you mean not to post if we don't have experience in the music industry? That only leaves you that can make a post about it? Do we not post our opinions?
No, that is not what I said. I said THINK TWICE. It would be nice if people research the examples giving in this thread before rejecting everything which is suggested just because they think it's not true or it can't be done.
And also...Do you think the O2 press conference was filmed before it was put out, or was it live? Can you use those tools on live footage?
Sorry if these have been answered before, I'm new and need to look around. :)
In my opinion, O2 could have been prerecorded. I can't tell if it was live or not, because I wasn't there. I still think it's very strange that no fan photos have popped up while we see all these fans holding their cameras and cell phones up in the air. Only 2 or 3 low quality youtubes popped up, and that happened months after the conference took place.
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Oh, okay :)
I can't work out what I think about the O2 guy, but I don't think it was Michael. Possibly someone we've been seeing for a while, his nose tip looks longer than normal. Do we know when we saw the real Michael last for sure?
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I keep on saying that my work colleage was at the 02 conference - it was not pre-recorded or fake.
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I keep on saying that my work colleage was at the 02 conference - it was not pre-recorded or fake.
:shock: ... :?
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I keep on saying that my work colleage was at the 02 conference - it was not pre-recorded or fake.
honestly hun you can speak till you blue in the face - pp have fixed ideas
im becoming suspicious about some of the posts
wonder if some of the posters are hoax or trouble making
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I keep on saying that my work colleage was at the 02 conference - it was not pre-recorded or fake.
honestly hun you can speak till you blue in the face - pp have fixed ideas
im becoming suspicious about some of the posts
wonder if some of the posters are hoax or trouble making
Well then how do you explain the normal fans that were there at the press conference?
I can't quite believe people think it was fake.
P.s. sorry if I'm getting the wrong end of the stick with your post.
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I keep on saying that my work colleage was at the 02 conference - it was not pre-recorded or fake.
honestly hun you can speak till you blue in the face - pp have fixed ideas
im becoming suspicious about some of the posts
wonder if some of the posters are hoax or trouble making
Well then how do you explain the normal fans that were there at the press conference?
I can't quite believe people think it was fake.
P.s. sorry if I'm getting the wrong end of the stick with your post.
think you are getting me wrong here
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Cridits go to: The_gloved_one
hey guys i spotted something interesting while i was watching my TII DVD. Everything red pants Michael was on the screen he seemed to be a using autocue. anyone else think thats odd? Maybe Michael just needed reminding of his lyrics. Apologies if this has already been discussed. x
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=4109)
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I keep on saying that my work colleage was at the 02 conference - it was not pre-recorded or fake.
Apologies Datroot, I didn't see your post.
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(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5525/002mwcl.jpg)
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by *Mo* » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:00 pm
pyt777 wrote:
by *Mo* » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:02 pm
Victor wrote:please lock this thread, no more fightning be respectful to each other, Michael dont wanna see us FIGHT..
Datroot wrote:Yes, get rid of this thread - people obviously can't discuss the subject sensibly.
No, this thread will not be locked nor get deleted. This is an important discussion to which people must be able to post.
Every poster is responsible for its own behavior. Rude posts can be individually removed, so there is no need to lock or delete this thread for that.
Mo (and I dn't mean anything offensive) what about other threads that have been locked/deleted? Weren't those people also responsible for their own behaviour? And couldn't rude posts have been deleted in those instances?
I think that this thread is causing a great divide among those on either side, not just a simple disagreement. With some people being openly rude and hostile towards other members and even Michael- or in some people's opinion- a double. I am not saying that the thread should be deleted. But certainly locked. The investigation isn't moving forward with this topic, and may even be holding us back...especially since it cannot be, for the time being, confirmed by the man himself @ the most. Besides, imo other threads have been locked for lesser reasons.
First of all, this is the OFFICIAL double thread and for that reason alone it won't be locked. Second: As for your other questions/remarks - I don't think this thread is the appropriate place to discuss those. I'd rather see that appear in the Forum FAQ,...
My apologies, I did not realize that because something has been labelled OFFICIAL it is right. Of course I shall concede the matter.
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Cridits go to: The_gloved_one
hey guys i spotted something interesting while i was watching my TII DVD. Everything red pants Michael was on the screen he seemed to be a using autocue. anyone else think thats odd? Maybe Michael just needed reminding of his lyrics. Apologies if this has already been discussed. x
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=4109)
nicee one
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(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6928/003dwf.jpg)
THIS IS the MJ I know!!! And some ''mjs'' in TII just dont look like the REAL MJ!!!!!
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(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6928/003dwf.jpg)
its a shame he wore shades most of the time - eyes are the windows of the soul
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he is ''hiding'' behind those shades!
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he is ''hiding'' behind those shades!
yeap i know
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he is ''hiding'' behind those shades!
Oh yes.
"Oh my God he has sunglasses on.....HE MUST BE A DOUBLE!!!!!!"
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You can't have it both ways. Point is, like I mentioned numerous times before in this thread, it is the overall picture you need to look at, not 1 characteristic. I'll repeat myself again, some people are just very badly capable of recognizing people from a photograph.
Doubles can fool you on a distance, partially masked or remote on video, but not up close. It is not possible to make a double that similar. It is surgically NOT possible. If it were, Michael would also have been able to reconstruct the plastic surgery on his nose and have the perfect face again. It is complete, and utter NONSENSE.
Even when it is clearly Michael, they do not want to believe it is and start looking with a magnifying glass for differences. As soon as they think they have 1 characteristic in a picture that does not look like on another picture, they believe it MUST be a double. But as soon as 1 characteristic is shown that is the same in both pictures, for instance a scar like theone on his cheek or the one under his lip, THEN it is explained 'ow that is surgically altered to look like MJ'.
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You can't have it both ways. Point is, like I mentioned numerous times before in this thread, it is the overall picture you need to look at, not 1 characteristic. I'll repeat myself again, some people are just very badly capable of recognizing people from a photograph.
Doubles can fool you on a distance, partially masked or remote on video, but not up close. It is not possible to make a double that similar. It is surgically NOT possible. If it were, Michael would also have been able to reconstruct the plastic surgery on his nose and have the perfect face again. It is complete, and utter NONSENSE.
Even when it is clearly Michael, they do not want to believe it is and start looking with a magnifying glass for differences. As soon as they think they have 1 characteristic in a picture that does not look like on another picture, they believe it MUST be a double. But as soon as 1 characteristic is shown that is the same in both pictures, for instance a scar like the one on his cheek or the one under his lip, THEN it is explained 'ow that is surgically altered to look like MJ'.
The same way you clearly believe they are all michael, we clearly believe it isnt.
So are you going to keep trying to convince us that there isnt doubles, im not trying to convince you or anyone they used doubles, im stating my own opinions with the others in this thread that i clearly see doubles.
Its ok for you to disagree but AS I STATED BEFORE THIS IS A HOAX SITE, IF US DISCUSSING THE POSSIBILITY THAT MICHAEL USED DOUBLES IS TO FAR OUT THERE THEN WHY ARE YOU AT A HOAX SITE WHERE WE DISCUSS ALL POSSIBILITIES THAT SURROUND A HOAX AS CRAZY AS SOME THEORIES MAY SOUND.
It would be alot more respectful if you just sate your disagreement without trying to make us or our members come off as crazy.
As I have stated a thousand times, this is a HOAX site, and no idea or thought is crazy.
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About the doubles. Just take a loo at the splitted screens on TII at the end of Human Nature. 3 Mj´s. One real and 2 doubles. Crazy? may be, but is a possibility ;)
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*Mo* » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:29 am
I am totally blown away by some statements I came across while catching up on this thread.
Let me explain something. I'd say that the majority of people on this board have no experience whatsoever with the music industry. Now I'm not saying I know it all because I don't, but at least I have been around in the business long enough to know what things are going on behind the scenes.
The entertainment industry is one big illusion. Artists, producers, managers and agencies will show you want they want you to see, and will let you listen to what they want you to hear. Publicity campaigns are put together to target audiences in different age groups, and an enormous strategy is involved in order to accomplish this. It's like one big movie script.
Have you ever been to a recording studio? Have you ever been present at a set where they record music videos? Have you ever been present at an artist's photo shoot for a promotional campaign? Do you have any idea what is done to create that big illusion you see and hear? If the answer to all these questions is NO, I'd really like you to think twice before you make comments which are not based on any knowledge nor experience...
Huge amounts of money are involved and invested in the entertainment industry, and money can buy ANYTHING. Google ProTools, harmonizers, compressors, equalizers and other related recording studio equipment, listen to samples. A song is not "ready to go" after simply recording the voice and the instruments. If that was the case, all these major label producers would be out of a job today. Go on youtube and watch "the making of" just anything in order to see what can and is done to manipulate any sort of film and video footage.
Now as for the use of doubles and I'd rather call them doppelgangers - the use of doppelgangers among the high profile celebrities, royalties, presidents etcetera is common knowledge to those surrounding them. People are paid big bucks to provide a service of being the double for the person they're being employed by. It's done for security reasons and diversion. There's nothing new about that.
If there shouldn't have been doubt about the use of doubles in This Is It, there would have been perfect doubles in the movie, looking and moving exactly like Mike. Since (in my opinion, as I see many differences) that wasn't done, to me it shows that we are to investigate these doubles and find out as to WHY they were used.
This has nothing to do with discrediting Mike, were here to investigate a hoax, and every single stone should be turned in order to get to the bottom of this.
I totally agree with you Mo, well said (:
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ok guys I'll make a deal with u. As u know I don't believe at all into the double theory. But u can try to convince me, it will be hard though.
To convince me, try to find a pic of the «double» without make up and disguise.
Good luck guys!! lol ;P
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ok guys I'll make a deal with u. As u know I don't believe at all into the double theory. But u can try to convince me, it will be hard though.
To convince me, try to find a pic of the «double» without make up and disguise.
Good luck guys!! lol ;P
Well if we would be able to find that and recognize him, that wouldn't make him a very good double don't you think?
I don't care if you believe it or not, if you're not convinced now after 32 pages, you will never be until Mike will say so himself.
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ok guys I'll make a deal with u. As u know I don't believe at all into the double theory. But u can try to convince me, it will be hard though.
To convince me, try to find a pic of the «double» without make up and disguise.
Good luck guys!! lol ;P
Well if we would be able to find that and recognize him, that wouldn't make him a very good double don't you think?
I don't care if you believe it or not, if you're not convinced now after 32 pages, you will never be until Mike will say so himself.
U say it :) Until now, I'm sure at 100% it was really Michael at the O2 :)
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Hmmmm...It could may well be that he use doubles...as certain times,and even in TII,I aknownledge the possibility,because you have to be open-minded and look at every possibilities.
But the pictures you advanced...most of them are not really convincing you know...
Like the Third one on the very first page,posted by Badkolo
You say it's possible to surgically or with help of prothesis to look like just like Michael Jackson..but it's impossible to have exactly the same bone structure right ? I think it have to be Michael on this picture...do you really think that someone can have his exact face like this ??
I agree some shots doesn't look like him-but close-up seem to be far-fetched to be considered as potential close-up...wouldn't have this kind of things found out before if it was true ??
I well want to change my opinion(I don't mind at all,it would be really interesting to find one startling double,amazing)someone would have a credible picture ??
And I find that this topic is turning into a War and sometimes I read post that were simply mean...if you don't agree with someone why not just move on ??Why continue to argue...Just read the post,wait,make your opinion,if you're not still convinced why fight it out like this ??
Look like kindergarden to me this thread sometimes...
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;) very well said , grenat , IMO , That`s how a DISCUSSION should be followed , post your opinion and respect each other , no matter what , no matter how much wrong or right you thing the others are....... ;)
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To be honest, perhaps we are losing site of the BIGGEST proof of all..........
the FACT that the doubles in TII DO NOT MOVE OR DANCE LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON EVER HAS IN ALL THE 45 YEARS HE HAS HAD IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA.
Forget pics. Look at the BODY LANGUAGE. So clearly, obviously, NOT Michael Jackson in so many many many scenes. Once I got past the emotion of the situation, and sat and watched with a clear mind and a clear set of eyes (and an OPEN mind), it was shockingly obvious.
Thanks to everyone who have produced pics, they are great supporting evidence to the real clear proof, the body language of the doubles in TII is totally off.
All you folks who staunchly say no doubles.........
CAN YOU SERIOUSLY SAY WITH A STRAIGHT FACE THAT WAS MICHAEL JOE JACKSON REHEARSING I JUST CAN'T STOP LOVING YOU IN TII??????
Because that was so awkward and uncomfortable and embarassing I about had to walk out.
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he is ''hiding'' behind those shades!
yeap i know
probably tired of pp staring him in the face to check if he is a double or not
having a good laugh at the fools????? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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You can't have it both ways. Point is, like I mentioned numerous times before in this thread, it is the overall picture you need to look at, not 1 characteristic. I'll repeat myself again, some people are just very badly capable of recognizing people from a photograph.
Doubles can fool you on a distance, partially masked or remote on video, but not up close. It is not possible to make a double that similar. It is surgically NOT possible. If it were, Michael would also have been able to reconstruct the plastic surgery on his nose and have the perfect face again. It is complete, and utter NONSENSE.
Even when it is clearly Michael, they do not want to believe it is and start looking with a magnifying glass for differences. As soon as they think they have 1 characteristic in a picture that does not look like on another picture, they believe it MUST be a double. But as soon as 1 characteristic is shown that is the same in both pictures, for instance a scar like theone on his cheek or the one under his lip, THEN it is explained 'ow that is surgically altered to look like MJ'.
Raven your absolutely right
BLESS your heart for saying it so well :D
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You can't have it both ways. Point is, like I mentioned numerous times before in this thread, it is the overall picture you need to look at, not 1 characteristic. I'll repeat myself again, some people are just very badly capable of recognizing people from a photograph.
Doubles can fool you on a distance, partially masked or remote on video, but not up close. It is not possible to make a double that similar. It is surgically NOT possible. If it were, Michael would also have been able to reconstruct the plastic surgery on his nose and have the perfect face again. It is complete, and utter NONSENSE.
Even when it is clearly Michael, they do not want to believe it is and start looking with a magnifying glass for differences. As soon as they think they have 1 characteristic in a picture that does not look like on another picture, they believe it MUST be a double. But as soon as 1 characteristic is shown that is the same in both pictures, for instance a scar like the one on his cheek or the one under his lip, THEN it is explained 'ow that is surgically altered to look like MJ'.
The same way you clearly believe they are all michael, we clearly believe it isnt.
So are you going to keep trying to convince us that there isnt doubles, im not trying to convince you or anyone they used doubles, im stating my own opinions with the others in this thread that i clearly see doubles.
Its ok for you to disagree but AS I STATED BEFORE THIS IS A HOAX SITE, IF US DISCUSSING THE POSSIBILITY THAT MICHAEL USED DOUBLES IS TO FAR OUT THERE THEN WHY ARE YOU AT A HOAX SITE WHERE WE DISCUSS ALL POSSIBILITIES THAT SURROUND A HOAX AS CRAZY AS SOME THEORIES MAY SOUND.
It would be alot more respectful if you just sate your disagreement without trying to make us or our members come off as crazy.
As I have stated a thousand times, this is a HOAX site, and no idea or thought is crazy.
but surely this is a death hoax investigators site - what has unproven doubles in photo's got to do with the death hoax?
**edited by badkolo** you mean no offense yet you spew crap and make judgments. I never have banned one member on our sites forum so honestly i have no idea where you got that notion. Secondly have you seen my posts, I have said you can all speak your minds and not to judge people for having any idea or theory.
BUT im not going to have people decide how we will run this site.
We will do as we wish , we run,own and pay for this site and while you might not like threads like this one you have the option of leaving the thread or the site all together, you also have the option to disagree in a polite way, if you or other members dont like that the door is right behind you. Now if you thing thats a little tough or rude then so be it, i wont lose any sleep over it, trust me. **
Think of this site as your home when you where living with your parents. Now we dont want to be like your parents but you get my point. where you allowed to do everything you wanted and be rude to your family members without any consequences??? I DOUBT IT.
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:lol: Mike is probably having a good laugh about the official doubles thread, then checking the mirror looking at this nose, his ears, chin and his glasses - great disguise to go out and about - no one would notice him - because all the hoaxers believe he is a double :lol:
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Cridits go to: The_gloved_one
hey guys i spotted something interesting while i was watching my TII DVD. Everything red pants Michael was on the screen he seemed to be a using autocue. anyone else think thats odd? Maybe Michael just needed reminding of his lyrics. Apologies if this has already been discussed. x
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=4109)
Good find! (http://i49.tinypic.com/5zksc6.gif) For me it's odd too. I really don't think MJ needs "to have some help" with lyrics of his songs..
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but surely this is a death hoax investigators site - what has unproven doubles in photo's got to do with the death hoax?
Others are clearly on a different view. If something seems unproven to you, it doesn't mean other people share your opinion.
I said it before and I will say it again: Has it ever occurred to you that Mike at one point might not have had a choice BUT to use doubles..? This can be one of the reasons for hoaxing his death, and therefor we investigate this issue.
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I'm one of those who do believe there were used doubles in TII and in the hoax in general. Even i have not posted too much i'm here with you , reading everything. Speaking about doubles have you ever seen this one? His name is Micah and i think he's one of the best impersonators .
(http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy323/tiida11/Michael%20Jackson/special/Mika.jpg)
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So, I will post another comparisation. O2 dude and soft faced Mike:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/303.jpg)
So I will stick to my question that if O2 dude (ON stage) was Mike, then who are these 3 dudes?
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/images/1989_2005_2009_2.jpg)
And I really don't want to go "OMG :o MMS FR/MS Mikaeel me angel maree me" here, but Mike is way better looking than O2 dude... Give the guy some credit!
The guy from the O2 arena is an imposter. Just look at the real Michael's lower lip...the smile is a little different from the left guy's. This difference is one of Michael's distinctive marks.
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It looks as if the O2 man's lips are thinner and not as wide. Surely, there must be a way of measuring these things. I think the photos of him coming out of his family home are of him and also at the Christian Audigier party. He had such an angelic way about him, slightly startled it seems. The 02 man is completely different.
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I'm one of those who do believe there were used doubles in TII and in the hoax in general. Even i have not posted too much i'm here with you , reading everything. Speaking about doubles have you ever seen this one? His name is Micah and i think he's one of the best impersonators .
(http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy323/tiida11/Michael%20Jackson/special/Mika.jpg)
This guy, to me, looks so much like an impersonator. I would know it immediately when seeing him. Have to say he is kinda cute though.....but not gorgeous like MJ.
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You can't have it both ways. Point is, like I mentioned numerous times before in this thread, it is the overall picture you need to look at, not 1 characteristic. I'll repeat myself again, some people are just very badly capable of recognizing people from a photograph.
Doubles can fool you on a distance, partially masked or remote on video, but not up close. It is not possible to make a double that similar. It is surgically NOT possible. If it were, Michael would also have been able to reconstruct the plastic surgery on his nose and have the perfect face again. It is complete, and utter NONSENSE.
Even when it is clearly Michael, they do not want to believe it is and start looking with a magnifying glass for differences. As soon as they think they have 1 characteristic in a picture that does not look like on another picture, they believe it MUST be a double. But as soon as 1 characteristic is shown that is the same in both pictures, for instance a scar like theone on his cheek or the one under his lip, THEN it is explained 'ow that is surgically altered to look like MJ'.
Raven your absolutely right
BLESS your heart for saying it so well :D
I agree!!! :D
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You can't have it both ways. Point is, like I mentioned numerous times before in this thread, it is the overall picture you need to look at, not 1 characteristic. I'll repeat myself again, some people are just very badly capable of recognizing people from a photograph.
Doubles can fool you on a distance, partially masked or remote on video, but not up close. It is not possible to make a double that similar. It is surgically NOT possible. If it were, Michael would also have been able to reconstruct the plastic surgery on his nose and have the perfect face again. It is complete, and utter NONSENSE.
Even when it is clearly Michael, they do not want to believe it is and start looking with a magnifying glass for differences. As soon as they think they have 1 characteristic in a picture that does not look like on another picture, they believe it MUST be a double. But as soon as 1 characteristic is shown that is the same in both pictures, for instance a scar like theone on his cheek or the one under his lip, THEN it is explained 'ow that is surgically altered to look like MJ'.
Raven your absolutely right
BLESS your heart for saying it so well :D
I agree!!! :D
Thx
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i agree with bec. michaels body language should be the tell tell sign that its obviously doubles in tii. as bec mentioned in i just cant stop loving you i saw a person being very aggressive not gentle like the michael we all love. i personally have never seen michael be agressive towards a woman.
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i agree with bec. michaels body language should be the tell tell sign that its obviously doubles in tii. as bec mentioned in i just cant stop loving you i saw a person being very aggressive not gentle like the michael we all love. i personally have never seen michael be agressive towards a woman.
And he fluffed up the first verse of that song in TII and looked kind of awkward when he did. Would Michael REALLY fluff up like that? I know it was only rehearsals BUT to fluff up the first verse of a song you have sung a zillion times??? :? Just my opinion.
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i agree with bec. michaels body language should be the tell tell sign that its obviously doubles in tii. as bec mentioned in i just cant stop loving you i saw a person being very aggressive not gentle like the michael we all love. i personally have never seen michael be agressive towards a woman.
And he fluffed up the first verse of that song in TII and looked kind of awkward when he did. Would Michael REALLY fluff up like that? I know it was only rehearsals BUT to fluff up the first verse of a song you have sung a zillion times??? :? Just my opinion.
But how do you explain the voice? No double can sing like MJ, nowhere near.
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You can't have it both ways. Point is, like I mentioned numerous times before in this thread, it is the overall picture you need to look at, not 1 characteristic. I'll repeat myself again, some people are just very badly capable of recognizing people from a photograph.
Doubles can fool you on a distance, partially masked or remote on video, but not up close. It is not possible to make a double that similar. It is surgically NOT possible. If it were, Michael would also have been able to reconstruct the plastic surgery on his nose and have the perfect face again. It is complete, and utter NONSENSE.
Even when it is clearly Michael, they do not want to believe it is and start looking with a magnifying glass for differences. As soon as they think they have 1 characteristic in a picture that does not look like on another picture, they believe it MUST be a double. But as soon as 1 characteristic is shown that is the same in both pictures, for instance a scar like theone on his cheek or the one under his lip, THEN it is explained 'ow that is surgically altered to look like MJ'.
Raven your absolutely right
BLESS your heart for saying it so well :D
I agree!!! :D
Thx
So do I agree, thx for making that perspective clear!
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i agree with bec. michaels body language should be the tell tell sign that its obviously doubles in tii. as bec mentioned in i just cant stop loving you i saw a person being very aggressive not gentle like the michael we all love. i personally have never seen michael be agressive towards a woman.
And he fluffed up the first verse of that song in TII and looked kind of awkward when he did. Would Michael REALLY fluff up like that? I know it was only rehearsals BUT to fluff up the first verse of a song you have sung a zillion times??? :? Just my opinion.
But how do you explain the voice? No double can sing like MJ, nowhere near.
people do sound like sound like other artist. jamie foxx sounds exactly like ray charles. so imo people having voices like someone else is not unusual.
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This looks like MJ from a vid that I saw of him at the Virgin record store cd signing. It's the one where he was flirting with some women including Joanna Thome. He was acting a little "off" during the signing. There was a lot of head bobbing, odd comments and strange looks toward his security guards as he signed autographs.
I'm one of those who do believe there were used doubles in TII and in the hoax in general. Even i have not posted too much i'm here with you , reading everything. Speaking about doubles have you ever seen this one? His name is Micah and i think he's one of the best impersonators .
(http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy323/tiida11/Michael%20Jackson/special/Mika.jpg)
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wow...I can't believe they do all these surgeries to look like him.... :?
But his lip looks a little bit numb I think
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I wonder how he looks without makeup...
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i agree with bec. michaels body language should be the tell tell sign that its obviously doubles in tii. as bec mentioned in i just cant stop loving you i saw a person being very aggressive not gentle like the michael we all love. i personally have never seen michael be agressive towards a woman.
And he fluffed up the first verse of that song in TII and looked kind of awkward when he did. Would Michael REALLY fluff up like that? I know it was only rehearsals BUT to fluff up the first verse of a song you have sung a zillion times??? :? Just my opinion.
But how do you explain the voice? No double can sing like MJ, nowhere near.
people do sound like sound like other artist. jamie foxx sounds exactly like ray charles. so imo people having voices like someone else is not unusual.
Still people were confused about Nick Jonas in WATW 2010. But a harmonizer can do the job, and with recorded footage you can let them lipsync. It's really not that impossible.
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i agree with bec. michaels body language should be the tell tell sign that its obviously doubles in tii. as bec mentioned in i just cant stop loving you i saw a person being very aggressive not gentle like the michael we all love. i personally have never seen michael be agressive towards a woman.
And he fluffed up the first verse of that song in TII and looked kind of awkward when he did. Would Michael REALLY fluff up like that? I know it was only rehearsals BUT to fluff up the first verse of a song you have sung a zillion times??? :? Just my opinion.
But how do you explain the voice? No double can sing like MJ, nowhere near.
people do sound like sound like other artist. jamie foxx sounds exactly like ray charles. so imo people having voices like someone else is not unusual.
Still people were confused about Nick Jonas in WATW 2010. But a harmonizer can do the job, and with recorded footage you can let them lipsync. It's really not that impossible.
Did I miss something? What happened with Nick Jonas at WATW? Sorry for asking.. :?
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Harmonizer info: http://www.tweakheadz.com/harmonizers_and_more.htm (http://www.tweakheadz.com/harmonizers_and_more.htm)
Using Harmonizers
Define your signature vocal sound and more
The harmonizer is one of the less understood studio processors. They are less likely to show up in a typical home studio rack. I think that is an oversight, though it's easy to see why. Harmonizers are expensive, at least the really good ones, like the famous Eventides, certainly are. Nowadays, like with other gear, you can get great sound under a grand. With harmonizers, unlike other effects, you have to go the hardware route. While there are some pseudo-harmonizers in expensive software bundles these do not hold a candle to the real thing. So to play the game you have to ante up for hardware.
What is a Harmonizer?
A Harmonizer is a device that samples incoming audio material and automatically creates several time stretched versions at different pitches and combines them all to an audio output. All of this happens on the fly in real time. You hear this device all the time on the radio. Whenever you hear ultra tight vocal harmonies that sound "too perfect" you are listening to a harmonizer at work. There's also a lot of times where it is at work where it's not obvious. Harmonizers can be used to thicken, detune and add effects to instruments and can, for the creative, make very strange effects out of any audio material. You can hear some audio before/after demos at the TCHelicon site.
Types of effects
The main effect, naturally, is the harmonies. The typical use is to record your chorus tracks through the harmonizer and lay this track under the main vocal.
One cool ability of my unit, the TC VoiceWorks, is "gender shifting" as well as pitch shifting. I can make my voice really low or really high. Of course it can do Darth Vader and munchkins effects, but that's all old hat. With the gender features you can add more maleness or femaleness to your voice. Ever wanted to sound like a chick, you macho dudes? Sure you have. Ok forget that then, turn yourself into a 12 foot 600 lb blues singer with a really deep voice. Basso Profundo!
Another effect easily achieved is thickening, doubling (or tripling and quadrupling), detuning. This not only sounds good on vocals, but one other instruments too.
Many harmonizers have effects like delay and reverb. If you wanted to you could just use the box for these and bypass all the rest, so if you are working live there won't be any reverb hiccup as a preset changes and you can hit a footswitch and go from harmonies to straight vocals.
And now imagine what kind of high-tec harmonizer Mike could buy...[/color]
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The teeth from the first 3 Michaels are the same and very regular. The theeth from the O2 Michael are a little bit different. Look at the thooth between the front-tooth and the eye-tooth.
front-tooth and tooth next to it are the same height, eye- tooth is lower than front-tooth
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/shortfilms/bow/050.jpg)
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/appearances/htw/048.jpg)
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6928/003dwf.jpg)
His teeth are not so regular
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2474/phpuma9kxpm.jpg)
front tooth does not have the same height as tooth next to it. Eye-tooth is not lower than front-tooth.
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9292/php5q87fopm.jpg)
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I have always thought 02 Michael was Michael but looking again i think the teeth are not the same. i am getting confused again..It seems to be about the eye tooth.
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This looks like MJ from a vid that I saw of him at the Virgin record store cd signing. It's the one where he was flirting with some women including Joanna Thome. He was acting a little "off" during the signing. There was a lot of head bobbing, odd comments and strange looks toward his security guards as he signed autographs.
I'm one of those who do believe there were used doubles in TII and in the hoax in general. Even i have not posted too much i'm here with you , reading everything. Speaking about doubles have you ever seen this one? His name is Micah and i think he's one of the best impersonators .
(http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy323/tiida11/Michael%20Jackson/special/Mika.jpg)
To me he does not look like Michael
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double or not...
i just like looking at all these pictures of michael....
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Yes, I agree. You can see the difference.
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I think 1 and 3 are Michael. Number 4's cheeks are too flabby. :lol:
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Oh, God...
What you guys are doing here is a true autopsy... Autopsy performed on a living body...
At least you could find similar photos - I mean with M's face turned in the same direction... when you try to compare his face turned left with his face turned rigt - that makes no sense. Also comparing faces with different glasses on - is also ridiculous.
The shape of the glasses DOES change the whole facial expression...
Just my 2 cents and I shut up. :?
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This looks like MJ from a vid that I saw of him at the Virgin record store cd signing. It's the one where he was flirting with some women including Joanna Thome. He was acting a little "off" during the signing. There was a lot of head bobbing, odd comments and strange looks toward his security guards as he signed autographs.
I'm one of those who do believe there were used doubles in TII and in the hoax in general. Even i have not posted too much i'm here with you , reading everything. Speaking about doubles have you ever seen this one? His name is Micah and i think he's one of the best impersonators .
(http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy323/tiida11/Michael%20Jackson/special/Mika.jpg)
To me he does not look like Michael
I agree, also he looks way too young. His name is Carlo Riley.
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i think they are used to seeing him change that they think he can change daily, but you cant change your cleft back and fourth like the wind, and your eyes and face shape doesnt change like that either.
on the rich and famous it was said he has many many doubles
he has doubles and we all know this, why fight it. its on video, he has double that are not ecasanova and others, its how he rolls.
SOMETIMES I DONT KNOW WHO IS CRAZIER, US FOR THINKING HE HAS DOUBLES OR YOU PEOPLE WHO THINK HE DOESNT.
i FIND IT HARD TO BELEIVE THAT MICHAEL JACKSON WITH ALL HIS ISSUES DOESNT HAVE A DOUBLE THAT IS CLOSER TO HIS LOOK THEN YOU ALL EXPECT.
It's obvious that many, many people do get confused. We've all seen it on the Internet and even in some tabloids where they've posted pictures of "Michael" but in reality it was one of his doubles. One of his doubles has said there were about a dozen "elite" impersonators but many, many more that impersonated Michael but weren't among the elite. I'm sure Michael was aware of many of these people. I have never been fully convinced that 02 guy is Michael but I still struggle with it.
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Oh no
The lower TII pic is Michael - the eye tooth is pointed. The TII pic above that is also Michael as the angle is different.
To debunk doubles - try using a software like picasa - where it scans the pics and lets you autotag the person depending on the facial features - Michael and all those supposed double pics will all be recognized as Michael.
The teeth from the first 3 Michaels are the same and very regular. The theeth from the O2 Michael are a little bit different. Look at the thooth between the front-tooth and the eye-tooth.
front-tooth and tooth next to it are the same height, eye- tooth is lower than front-tooth
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/shortfilms/bow/050.jpg)
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/appearances/htw/048.jpg)
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6928/003dwf.jpg)
His teeth are not so regular
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2474/phpuma9kxpm.jpg)
front tooth does not have the same height as tooth next to it. Eye-tooth is not lower than front-tooth.
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9292/php5q87fopm.jpg)
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Oh, God...
What you guys are doing here is a true autopsy... Autopsy performed on a living body...
At least you could find similar photos - I mean with M's face turned in the same direction... when you try to compare his face turned left with his face turned rigt - that makes no sense. Also comparing faces with different glasses on - is also ridiculous.
The shape of the glasses DOES change the whole facial expression...
Just my 2 cents and I shut up. :?
true - it is disgusting
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Oh no
The lower TII pic is Michael - the eye tooth is pointed. The TII pic above that is also Michael as the angle is different.
To debunk doubles - try using a software like picasa - where it scans the pics and lets you autotag the person depending on the facial features - Michael and all those supposed double pics will all be recognized as Michael.
The teeth from the first 3 Michaels are the same and very regular. The theeth from the O2 Michael are a little bit different. Look at the thooth between the front-tooth and the eye-tooth.
front-tooth and tooth next to it are the same height, eye- tooth is lower than front-tooth
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/shortfilms/bow/050.jpg)
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/appearances/htw/048.jpg)
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6928/003dwf.jpg)
His teeth are not so regular
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2474/phpuma9kxpm.jpg)
front tooth does not have the same height as tooth next to it. Eye-tooth is not lower than front-tooth.
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9292/php5q87fopm.jpg)
maybe there will be some sanity on the page now - thank you.
All mike
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The teeth from the first 3 Michaels are the same and very regular. The theeth from the O2 Michael are a little bit different. Look at the thooth between the front-tooth and the eye-tooth.
front-tooth and tooth next to it are the same height, eye- tooth is lower than front-tooth
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/shortfilms/bow/050.jpg)
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/appearances/htw/048.jpg)
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6928/003dwf.jpg)
His teeth are not so regular
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2474/phpuma9kxpm.jpg)
front tooth does not have the same height as tooth next to it. Eye-tooth is not lower than front-tooth.
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9292/php5q87fopm.jpg)
Exactly.
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Sorry, but teeth do change throughout the years, and you can also influence the shape of them by using caps,veneers and stuff.
It is not correct IMO to compare pictures with 25 years in between.
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And dont forget that the angle and the lighting do play a big role, too.
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The teeth from the first 3 Michaels are the same and very regular. The theeth from the O2 Michael are a little bit different. Look at the thooth between the front-tooth and the eye-tooth.
front-tooth and tooth next to it are the same height, eye- tooth is lower than front-tooth
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/shortfilms/bow/050.jpg)
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/appearances/htw/048.jpg)
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6928/003dwf.jpg)
His teeth are not so regular
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2474/phpuma9kxpm.jpg)
front tooth does not have the same height as tooth next to it. Eye-tooth is not lower than front-tooth.
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9292/php5q87fopm.jpg)
Exactly.
agreed. All Mike IMO ;)
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I believe this is Michael, no doubt in my mind:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ah8qqw.jpg)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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Here a nice quote from Michael on this subject.I ran into it whilst reading this interview with a sony executive, you can read the full interview in the link. Makes a great read.
http://thesportsinterview.com/mjackson.htm (http://thesportsinterview.com/mjackson.htm)
CR: “So David Blaine buried himself alive in the city over by the Trump building.”
CY: Trump National Towers.
CR: “Right. When I told Michael that was going on, he was like, ‘You gotta be kidding?’ I said, I’m telling you. He didn’t even know who David Blaine was. I started like sending for like video footage and everything because we didn’t have YouTube then. I started sending for footage to explain to him who David Blaine was. He was so fascinated. We got in a van that night and we went to see David Blaine late at night. We went over there.
We jumped out the van and he like a kinda partial disguise and no one really knew it was him. He jumped out and walked right over there and we sat there and he was fascinated by it. It was funny. Then we were laughing because sometimes he said, ‘You know what? Half the time someone is going to think it’s an impersonator and not me anyway. Sometimes I can just jump out.”
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I am sorry for posting photos for us to investigate...but they are very important : and the teeth thing got me:
(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7407/006phqm.jpg) this is the link for the bigger picture http://mjjgallery.free.fr/20062008/appe ... se/006.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/20062008/appearances/jesse/006.jpg) http://mjjgallery.free.fr/20062008/appe ... se/007.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/20062008/appearances/jesse/007.jpg)
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The picture in the middle is made in may 2006. It looks to me that the thooth between the front-tooth and the eye-tooth is different in height. I saw that on sililar O2 pictures on mjjpictures.com . you can watch them there much larger as here. All eye-tooth are pointed.
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Dear Friends, This is all so impossible to unravel. Of course there are doubles, trying to catch this ones tooth or chin here and there is truly is trying to catch the wind! me thinks fans need to brush up on cosmetic dinistry(joke) and cosmetic fille (aka Arnie Klien's speciality) Amazing changes can happen in the blink of an eye! meow 4 now
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Firstly MJJPictures has many photoshopped pictures so I would not believe all that is there.
Secondly Orange Pants is the King HIMSELF. Here are my reasons why.
1) The first glimpse of Michael in the movie would have to be the original - you can't have the first frame with a double.
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Y5hUG7vFXJU/S5EuFYGcJII/AAAAAAAAAUY/RR-t4XO0O2c/s128/vlcsnap-2010-03-05-21h04m37s103.jpg)
2) Only Michael can prance up and down on stage - have you seen him run by jumping up in the air - that is his trademark and I am awe everytime he does that to get to the other side of the stage fast.
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Y5hUG7vFXJU/S5EuLmjj_0I/AAAAAAAAAU0/GT2Hw1vkoPA/s128/vlcsnap-2010-03-05-21h12m46s144.jpg)
3) Someone said he did not have the ear monitor equipment on but you can clearly see it here.
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Y5hUG7vFXJU/S5EuGZbm0tI/AAAAAAAAAUc/HpBbRgZjQZo/s128/vlcsnap-2010-03-05-21h06m47s66.jpg)
4) Speechless sung by a double???
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I NEW LONG AGO THAT THEY USED DOUBLES IN THIS IS IT. JOE ALSO STATED THAT THEY USED BODY DOUBLES IN THIS IS IT........ IT IS HARD TO SAY WHICH IS REAL MJ. LU MJ.
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You can't have it both ways. Point is, like I mentioned numerous times before in this thread, it is the overall picture you need to look at, not 1 characteristic. I'll repeat myself again, some people are just very badly capable of recognizing people from a photograph.
Doubles can fool you on a distance, partially masked or remote on video, but not up close. It is not possible to make a double that similar. It is surgically NOT possible. If it were, Michael would also have been able to reconstruct the plastic surgery on his nose and have the perfect face again. It is complete, and utter NONSENSE.
Even when it is clearly Michael, they do not want to believe it is and start looking with a magnifying glass for differences. As soon as they think they have 1 characteristic in a picture that does not look like on another picture, they believe it MUST be a double. But as soon as 1 characteristic is shown that is the same in both pictures, for instance a scar like theone on his cheek or the one under his lip, THEN it is explained 'ow that is surgically altered to look like MJ'.
I totally agree!
I am (and I have always been) seriously opened to change my mind as many times as necessary through this investigation. I can assure you I'm not interested on "be right", say "I told you so", change your minds or such.
It’s fine to me if you believe there were doubles in TII/ Arena O2 PC, but every new thread on this issue, and new post in this thread just show me how much (unintentionally) blind & sticked to your beliefs/wishes for this man not being Michael Jackson are some of you, that make you defend your points with arguments and proofs barely believables and less solid every time. Sometimes your statements sounds kind of desperate (“Michael has a clone”, “in TII has been used 4 doubles” and so on ... Geez). Come on, let’s be unbiased. Don’t make things fit into your theories: make a theory of things.
The problem is that some of you are comparing pictures that can not/should not be compared.
Similar conditions in both pictures are needed in order to have a valid conclusion, I mean come on, how can you compare ears when one of the pics you posted has a big ear piece in it?.
You need similar positions, “age” of the pic, lightening, angles, facial expressions: I've seen comparations of his chins cleft and of the space from the nose to the upper lip using one pic of him smiling vs. a "serious face" pic, that is not right, those features change when you, me, or anyone smiles, simple.
Also variations of the weight, the shape of the sunglasses, hairstyle and clothes makes a person look way too different from pic to pic, that is a fact.
Plus he had surgeries, so we cannot pretend he still looks like in 80’s or in 1994, no way.
As you can see, there are too many factors to have in mind at the time to compare pictures or make a conclusion.
Now, these are the ones I know (and always knew) as MJ’s eyes at pic 3 in the OP: some of you said that the man in green is Michael because you “saw Michael’s eyes through that outfit”, you saw that “it’s his “body structure”, come on, this person has not even the height of an adult, but “he was Michael, no doubts about it”, and the man in the third pic is not him? Give me a break...
Regarding Michael’s cleft on his chin, yes it does look different than before, it has become “deep” through the years, no by itself but because his whole face has changed with the age (like everyone does), and with the weight loss (look at the pics from 80’s to 2009, and you’ll see it pretty clear).
I know this is a hoax site, and I agree it’s good to think outside the box, but this is real world too. Anything is possible, but the "reality" is the limit. Yes, even for Michael Jackson. JMHO though, I hope you get what I mean.
Peace guys! :D
PS: I wanted to attach some pics, but it says "Sorry, the board attachment quota has been reached" when I try to do it.
Edit** to add the pics
Ok, I know is annoying go back to the same topics over and over again, but I just wanted to share this. I didn’t want to do this at all and I’m sure you will find some differences, but here I go.
Now, take a look at the following pics, please. (These will be the last ones, I promise!)
a) Look at this one carefully. Same position, same lightening. Look at the whole picture, then look his face from his cheek to his chin. Look at his smile, lips and cleft. You can tell it is almost the same picture, don’t you?
[attachment=0:1fucjsow]'s 01.jpg[/attachment:1fucjsow]
b) Same facial expression, nose, lips, smile, chin, cleft. I can’t rotate the first one, but I hope you can see my point anyway.
(http://i69.servimg.com/u/f69/14/19/93/11/mj_s_011.jpg)
c) What about this one? Please, look at the same features I posted above. Almost the same picture again…
(http://i69.servimg.com/u/f69/14/19/93/11/mj_s_012.jpg)
d) Ok, here you go some more. My conclusions on this? Or a man is living Michael’s life, or it was Michael at O2. Guess wich one I did choose…
(http://i69.servimg.com/u/f69/14/19/93/11/mj_s_013.jpg)
(http://i69.servimg.com/u/f69/14/19/93/11/mj_s_014.jpg)
(http://i69.servimg.com/u/f69/14/19/93/11/mj_s_015.jpg)
Are you able to keep disrespecting Michael at O2, calling “ass” to his chin, and other things I’ve seen through this thread? Even if it was not Michael, that is not good at all, don’t you think?
JMO. Peace, and thanks for reading! :D
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All of them Michael jackson to me .....nothing more nothing less.....
And what the hell?
Are ye all certified dentists?
The teeth are just fine they are all the same.....They look different coz of the extra collagen that MJ had inserted into his lips to make them look thicker...or plumpier or whatever the word you wanna use...thats it. :roll:
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I agree DD - even the cleft - it can look deeper with different kind of make up or even dehydration.
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Is this the pic?[attachment=0:2m6saxfy]MJ at rehearsal.jpg[/attachment:2m6saxfy]
No it was one taken quite a way away from the stage and you could see 'MJ' on stage with the dancers and also a silhouette of MJ (from behind) watching the stage. I'm trying to find it but not having any luck. I can't remember which thread it was in.
Well it took a while but I found that pic I was talking about but only because someone just posted it on Twitter!! (thanks TugbaMJackson!!)
Here it is:
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a151/rowdy_angel/MJ/2mikes.jpg)
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In TII, where Michael is speaking with Kenny (was it the green screen scene?) where Michael says, "yeah, that's a cool move..." I thought there was something about his face that looked different. It made his face look really wide...can't put my finger on exactly what it was. Did anybody else catch that?
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Yes, I thought this was suspect too.
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35 pages of this debate about Michael's face :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: /color]
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As we all know, there are a bunch of parallels between this hoax and V for Vendetta.
What I found very interesting, next to the already known parallels, is that there's a scene in V for Vendetta in which doubles appear! I made a screenshot of the scene:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/v02.jpg)
Gordon Deitrich is hosting a show which features a double of Adam Sutler. During the show "Sutler" is offered a glass of milk, because he likes to drink some milk before he goes to bed. The "V" shows up, but "V" appears to be another Sutler double when the mask is removed from his face. De scene ends with a shot from behind of the real Sutler, sitting in a chair watching TV, while squeezing his glass of milk.
Summery: Two doubles of Adam Sutler appear on TV, while the real Adam Sutler is enjoying an evening at home in front of his TV.
Food for thought for the ones that say that Mike never used doubles and that there are no doubles in This Is It ;)
Oh and...Sutler happens to like drinking MILK before he goes to sleep........
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More than he used doubles in TII I believe that we haven't seen the real Michael since 2005 at the time of the 2nd trial . The most dramatic and controversial changes in his appearance have been noticed after this year and maybe this was the time when he began to prepare his disappearance from the public eyes. It's just an opinion but i'd like to know your thoughts .
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(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/shortfilms/bow/050.jpg)
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/appearances/htw/048.jpg)
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6928/003dwf.jpg)
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2474/phpuma9kxpm.jpg)
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9292/php5q87fopm.jpg)
I think only the first one is real Michael and all others including all TII is doubles or doppelganger.
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(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/shortfilms/bow/050.jpg)
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/dangerous/appearances/htw/048.jpg)
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6928/003dwf.jpg)
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2474/phpuma9kxpm.jpg)
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9292/php5q87fopm.jpg)
I think only the first one is real Michael and all others including all TII is doubles or doppelganger.
Why? Because all others're with sunglasses? 8-)
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I see only Michael ... :D
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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The teeth and the ear are different.
You may alter teeth but never a complete ear.
Didn't you notice that some time ago the ear was not shown anymore to the public and that wigs started to cover almost all of the face? The picture in spring 2009 when the decoy was leaving the medical center in Beverly Hills showing the mangled ear was either a hint or an accident that should never have happened.
Didn't you notice that even the eye shape was different?
The guy that we were sold since many many years is NOT Michael Jackson from the BAD era.
They did a good job in explaining why the face of Michael Jackson had to be altered in many ways. I know that the discussions whether yes or no there were doubles, doppelgangers and decoys will be a never ending story. We had very interesting threads in the old forums. Read them if you are searching for truth. But be aware that the truth may also hurt you. So dig into this only if you could bear the truth.
I for one am absolutely convinced now that Joe Jackson said the truth more than one time.
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The teeth and the ear are different.
You may alter teeth but never a complete ear.
Didn't you notice that some time ago the ear was not shown anymore to the public and that wigs started to cover almost all of the face? The picture in spring 2009 when the decoy was leaving the medical center in Beverly Hills showing the mangled ear was either a hint or an accident that should never have happened.
Didn't you notice that even the eye shape was different?
The guy that we were sold since many many years is NOT Michael Jackson from the BAD era.
They did a good job in explaining why the face of Michael Jackson had to be altered in many ways. I know that the discussions whether yes or no there were doubles, doppelgangers and decoys will be a never ending story. We had very interesting threads in the old forums. Read them if you are searching for truth. But be aware that the truth may also hurt you. So dig into this only if you could bear the truth.
I for one am absolutely convinced now that Joe Jackson said the truth more than one time.
Thank you so much for your detailed explanations but as for me the truth is very clear, i dont even need to search that, just to take a look at these pics is enough for me...I see only his adorable face and nobody's else...And I love it so much, I am sorry) 8-)
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More than he used doubles in TII I believe that we haven't seen the real Michael since 2005 at the time of the 2nd trial . The most dramatic and controversial changes in his appearance have been noticed after this year and maybe this was the time when he began to prepare his disappearance from the public eyes. It's just an opinion but i'd like to know your thoughts .
This is not impossible.
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Hello guys, good morning!
This is my comparison:
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4847/michaeljacksongetty5209.jpg)(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1051/261vd.jpg)
THE DETAIL:
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4479/48006302.jpg)(http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/4817/68305383.jpg)
1) the first black arrow in the bottom left, shows a small bump on his lower lip, which is easily visible in both photos.
2) His lower teeth are the same. Look at the line that they have inside the mouth: it's the same.
3) The same goes for the teeth of the upper. Please take into consideration the different inclination of the mouth, which makes less visible some teeth...
4) Last but not least, his nose is the same in both photos.
I hope I've helped. It's always Michael to me!
I apologize for this VIVISECTION, MICHAEL! I'm sorry :roll:
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It was MJ himself @O2 I believe... :?
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What if we would compare not apple to apple but apple to pear?
Of course the teeth compared are the same since it's the same guy.
This is not what I am talking about.
Go back to the roots and the old threads. It's all there.
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Who was the man we saw with the children then?
Not Michael???? :o :roll:
(I don't believe in doubles, maybe only in the background but certainly not close-up.)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
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Of course the teeth compared are the same since it's the same guy.
Dear Grace, I don't think everyone here has your same opinion. Many have said that the O2 guy isn't Michael. That's why I made that comparison of mine ;)
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You can fake teeths, you can make latex masks, everything is possible.
Sorry, the O2-dude is not MJ...MJ was proplaby behind the curtain but not on the O2-stage.
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always was mike at the o2
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I want see your faces when the O2-double revealed himself!!!
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I want see your faces when the O2-double revealed himself!!!
And I want that Michael will never read this :lol:
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I want see your faces when the O2-double revealed himself!!!
And I want that Michael will never read this :lol:
Me too :lol:
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I want see your faces when the O2-double revealed himself!!!
And I want that Michael will never read this :lol:
Me too :lol:
LoL Michael don't must read this. :lol:
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I want see your faces when the O2-double revealed himself!!!
Oh me too! :D
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but its neveer going to happen - hes not a double but the original
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I want see your faces when the O2-double revealed himself!!!
Oh me too! :D
Me too, me too!! :lol:
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I think it's about time I post. :D
After seeing TNZ's comparisons (and a couple very convincing ones...)
I speculate that O2 guy may be Michael.
but there's something strange going on with his chin and nose IMO..
Maybe he did something different with his makeup, or he got touch-up surgery,
But when I see close-up pictures, he's definitely doing something different. (Make-up wise.)
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I think it's about time I post. :D
After seeing TNZ's comparisons (and a couple very convincing ones...)
I speculate that O2 guy may be Michael.
but there's something strange going on with his chin and nose IMO..
Maybe he did something different with his makeup, or he got touch-up surgery,
But when I see close-up pictures, he's definitely doing something different. (Make-up wise.)
he doesnt look like he has makeup on apart from fade lip liner
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I think it's about time I post. :D
After seeing TNZ's comparisons (and a couple very convincing ones...)
I speculate that O2 guy may be Michael.
but there's something strange going on with his chin and nose IMO..
Maybe he did something different with his makeup, or he got touch-up surgery,
But when I see close-up pictures, he's definitely doing something different. (Make-up wise.)
TNZ are just russian fans :) No need to pay attention to their comparisons)
They should go to a doctor first and compare if they are normal or not :)
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LOOK AT THE NOSE BRIDgE ON THE SMOOTH CRIMINAL PHOTO
its totaly different, so is the shape of the face and the cleft, hows does michael change his nose, chin shape and jaw shape and chin cleft and eyes , there is something odd going on. this aint plastic surgery this is DOUBLERY....
:roll: I know you are correct! This is exactly why he's been covering his eyes and wearing pretty much "characteristic" (or, should I say, "in character")uniform make-up all these years: so when we see IT, we assume it is him , even thought "HE" hasn't looked like himself for YEARS!!!! But I've been reading all over, and I can't seem to find your theory on why (why "doublery").
I believe it is to 8-) get clues TO us FANSthrough the "code" his fans should KNOW: that if it is not MJ actually saying something ---as he said a BAZILLION times---then it is not the truth---EVEN IF (no matter WHAT or how many "even if"s!!)they look and kinda-sorta seem just like him.
Is this your theory? It seems pretty consistent, that the staged events were also, coincidentally (NO SUCH THING), full of lies, such as "This Is It"; "Final curtain call", and ALL things smacking of MJ attempting to kiss us off and retire. :roll:
If this is not your point/ theory, where are your ideas explained, please? I am starting to SEE things and want to hold them up against someone's who has had more time to delve into things, to see if I'm even on track at all.. :o :) Thanx LOTS :!: :D
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Hello guys, good morning!
This is my comparison:
(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4847/michaeljacksongetty5209.jpg)(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1051/261vd.jpg)
THE DETAIL:
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4479/48006302.jpg)(http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/4817/68305383.jpg)
1) the first black arrow in the bottom left, shows a small bump on his lower lip, which is easily visible in both photos.
2) His lower teeth are the same. Look at the line that they have inside the mouth: it's the same.
3) The same goes for the teeth of the upper. Please take into consideration the different inclination of the mouth, which makes less visible some teeth...
4) Last but not least, his nose is the same in both photos.
I hope I've helped. It's always Michael to me!
I apologize for this VIVISECTION, MICHAEL! I'm sorry :roll:
I completely agree! thanks!
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Hey Mo,
So what do u think about TII? what is the whole point. Where is the real MJ?
and can someone plz post the last REAL MJ pic? (ALIVE) way before the hoax and everything!
Here's some photos of MJ at Christian Audigar's 50th birthday party in 2008
http://community.livejournal.com/mjfans/97744.html
He is wearing the same blue shirt that he did when he sung Billie Jean.
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the last one is not MJ . his face is shorter than MJ 's
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http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5207/mj1.png
This is Mike... always
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Just food for thought. We all agree that MJ is a master of disguises. Why is it not possible for another person to be made to look like him. With the use of prosthesis and make up artists it would be quite simple (especially in TII a movie) to have a look-a-like (double) transformed into an almost identical Michael and then afterward just take off the makeup and walk out the door. False noses, hairpieces etc are the norm for moviemaking - there's no need for operations or anything radical to make someone look like Michael. He would just need to be able to dance and move like him.
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Just food for thought. We all agree that MJ is a master of disguises. Why is it not possible for another person to be made to look like him. With the use of prosthesis and make up artists it would be quite simple (especially in TII a movie) to have a look-a-like (double) transformed into an almost identical Michael and then afterward just take off the makeup and walk out the door. False noses, hairpieces etc are the norm for moviemaking - there's no need for operations or anything radical to make someone look like Michael. He would just need to be able to dance and move like him.
Well that's what we have been saying all throughout this thread, but to quite a lot of people that seems unimaginable. They have all seen Ghost so they know what can be achieved by using prosthetic make-up, yet it seems impossible to them to make someone look like Mike by using the very same concept.
Just the thought of Mike using doubles seems to cause a lot of resistance among the fans, and I still don't understand why. In my opinion the use of doubles has to be accepted in order to fully understand the reasons for hoaxing his death. The best way to protect "the real deal" is to plant copies everywhere.
By the way: some of the TII doubles are not able to dance and move like him, and in my opinion that was done to make people aware of the use of doubles.
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I agree about the double not being able to move like him. Mike is so relaxed when he moves, the double is much more rigid.
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Just the thought of Mike using doubles seems to cause a lot of resistance among the fans, and I still don't understand why. In my opinion the use of doubles has to be accepted in order to fully understand the reasons for hoaxing his death. The best way to protect "the real deal" is to plant copies everywhere.
By the way: some of the TII doubles are not able to dance and move like him, and in my opinion that was done to make people aware of the use of doubles.[/b]
Michael is still seen as superhero and saint - and you just cannot multiply a superhero or saint.
I bet if we knew whether Michael would squeeze his toothpaste from the top or not screw the cap on it, it would be easier to be grounded and accept a normal life for that man.
It's loving from afar that makes the man invisible.
Of course Michael had doubles or even doppelganger - if only for his safety or for satisfying the ever demanding fans that he did not want to disappoint.
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note the swagger in this news clip
[youtube:2wq6s4vf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGeUTTIRGV4&NR=1&feature=fvwp[/youtube:2wq6s4vf]
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I promise I won't show you pictures of the various faces in the Batshit tapes, as I already know what kind of excuses I will read about the differences of those.
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What is wrong with MJ using doubles(decoys) to give himself a breather? We really don't know exactly what MJ looked like at the time of his supposed death. The only visual pictures were conveniently supplied and the stage set for why they appear to look different from year to year. So, we can't all say definitively what MJ looked like. Don't take my head off; this is just my humble opinion. With sincerity, one love.
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Michael is still seen as superhero and saint - and you just cannot multiply a superhero or saint.
I bet if we knew whether Michael would squeeze his toothpaste from the top or not screw the cap on it, it would be easier to be grounded and accept a normal life for that man.
It's loving from afar that makes the man invisible.
Of course Michael had doubles or even doppelganger - if only for his safety or for satisfying the ever demanding fans that he did not want to disappoint.
Amen...
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Michael is still seen as superhero and saint - and you just cannot multiply a superhero or saint.
I bet if we knew whether Michael would squeeze his toothpaste from the top or not screw the cap on it, it would be easier to be grounded and accept a normal life for that man.
It's loving from afar that makes the man invisible.
Of course Michael had doubles or even doppelganger - if only for his safety or for satisfying the ever demanding fans that he did not want to disappoint.
Amen...
I so agree with you two, that's why I made the fab apology thread in Messages to Michael. I get so angry with fans sometimes for ALWAYS expecting so much out of him, and wanting him to be EXACTLY like that perfect PR image they have in their head.. the moment I became so fascinated with him was BECAUSE I found it so fascinating to know and love the real person WITHIN the PR- the normal guy MJ with 5 O'clock shadow that drinks and swears and scolds his kids and stuff.. I love him for who he is, and not what he does, and that's why I accept doubles, even though I really don't like them.. I think Michael needs to stop letting people- including fans- walk on him and make him feel like everything he does has to be in their favor.. I'm not addressing anyone specific, I just mean over-zealous, over-demanding fans in general..
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i think this is a germany news report
1/2 way through a piece about mikes doubles and surgery he has had
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTI2NDgzMDE2.html (http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTI2NDgzMDE2.html)
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Earnest Valentino
[youtube:1dhuzjmk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc9AWpD30MY[/youtube:1dhuzjmk]
(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2034/earnestvalentinoanother.jpg)
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Earnest Valentino
[youtube:913z8mo7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc9AWpD30MY[/youtube:913z8mo7]
(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2034/earnestvalentinoanother.jpg)
(http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5269/namnlszv.jpg) ???
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On an unrelated note, I lost my "I believe in MJ doubles" Virginity when I was 12, and I REALLY regret that
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On an unrelated note, I lost my "I believe in MJ doubles" Virginity when I was 12, and I REALLY regret that
your sick - why did you bother come on the site
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On an unrelated note, I lost my "I believe in MJ doubles" Virginity when I was 12, and I REALLY regret that
your sick - why did you bother come on the site
I wasn't talking about my SEXUAL virginity. You sicko. Although now i wanna see how Murray dresses when he's nekkid
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i think something is wrong and its you
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Cut it out, back to topic :!:
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Ok. Sorry.
That impersonator above is pretty cool. What was that movie he was in where he sang in a giant concert?
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I missed something. Were doubles in the Bashit documentary too?
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I think it's about time I post. :D
After seeing TNZ's comparisons (and a couple very convincing ones...)
I speculate that O2 guy may be Michael.
but there's something strange going on with his chin and nose IMO..
Maybe he did something different with his makeup, or he got touch-up surgery,
But when I see close-up pictures, he's definitely doing something different. (Make-up wise.)
he doesnt look like he has makeup on apart from fade lip liner
Just a point of clarification, this was not lipliner. Remember Mike had his lips tattooed, as a treatment option for progression of Vitiligo on his lips. This is a common treatment for Vitiligo.
Karen Faye (http://twitter.com/wingheart (http://twitter.com/wingheart)) has also addressed this issue recently:
@jcanin it wasn't lipstick, it was his decision (do your research before you criticize someone) be smart, be kind. Happy Holiday.
8:37 AM Apr 2nd via web in reply to jcanin
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I think it's about time I post. :D
After seeing TNZ's comparisons (and a couple very convincing ones...)
I speculate that O2 guy may be Michael.
but there's something strange going on with his chin and nose IMO..
Maybe he did something different with his makeup, or he got touch-up surgery,
But when I see close-up pictures, he's definitely doing something different. (Make-up wise.)
he doesnt look like he has makeup on apart from fade lip liner
Just a point of clarification, this was not lipliner. Remember Mike had his lips tattooed, as a treatment option for progression of Vitiligo on his lips. This is a common treatment for Vitiligo.
Karen Faye (http://twitter.com/wingheart (http://twitter.com/wingheart)) has also addressed this issue recently:
@jcanin it wasn't lipstick, it was his decision (do your research before you criticize someone) be smart, be kind. Happy Holiday.
8:37 AM Apr 2nd via web in reply to jcanin
OR because the upper lip of the double was bigger....
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he had work done - it was on going during the rehearsals
more botox
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he had work done - it was on going during the rehearsals
more botox
The question here is: WHO had work done.
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Just to underline WHO had work done I ask you to look at the following pictures. Who are these people..? Could have been anyone. Why is the face covered time after time? And no, this is not because "work had been done", as there are also photos of appearances in between the doctors visits without masks and sunglasses, showing nothing that leads to the thought of "work has been done".
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/app_2009_01.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/app_2009_02.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/app_2009_03.jpg)
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I promise I won't show you pictures of the various faces in the Batshit tapes, as I already know what kind of excuses I will read about the differences of those.
Please Mo I want to compare the different faces in the batshit tapes cause I noticed how different MJ looked sometimes way before this hoax started. Please Mo, do it please.
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I promise I won't show you pictures of the various faces in the Batshit tapes, as I already know what kind of excuses I will read about the differences of those.
Please Mo I want to compare the different faces in the batshit tapes cause I noticed how different MJ looked sometimes way before this hoax started. Please Mo, do it please.
You can find the Batshit interview and the rebuttal tapes on youtube. Just watch them again and you will see what I mean. I am not prepared to go into an endless discussion again by posting screen shots.
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[youtube:28gotspw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY0_nMtKkIM[/youtube:28gotspw]
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I'm sorry, but the dancers have confidentiality agreements. Breach of that agreement would mean the rest of their live is totally ruined financially. So no, they will not say anything besides the things they are allowed to say.
Doubles were used in TII, not only can you tell by seeing different faces, but Mike can't change hight and shape back and forth either.
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[youtube:bk7c090a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY0_nMtKkIM[/youtube:bk7c090a]
So... is Michael Jackson magical? he can change height, weight and shape...
Oh and of course he lost all his moves, because red pants HADN'T the moves... and Billie Jean without moonwalk? :shock: :o
I think Joe was right, and I can see 4 doubles at least in TII
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Michael did'nt do a moonwalk in the rehershals for the dangerous tour either.
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I haven't posted in quite awhile, but I do think doubles have been used for quite some time. E'Cas was used in the video "Who Is It" . He may not have sang and dance, but point is, Michael DID use him to finish the video.
I also came across an article, where people in Barnstaple, Devon swore up and down that Michael performed there in 1999. But Sony DENIED that Michael was even in England at the time and that he was in LA and couldn't not have performed as the people claimed.
The article uses the usual offensive way to talk about Michael, but I'll post the link and a quote from the article.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/479112.stm
Tuesday, October 19, 1999 Published at 13:43 GMT 14:43 UK
Pop fans in a sleepy UK town are bewildered after a visit from the King of Pop turns out to be the great sting of pop.
The excited audience had insisted that Jackson played at an awards ceremony for children at a martial arts club in Barnstaple, Devon.
They had been watching the Matt Fiddes Black Belt Academy extravaganza, when a previously unnamed "special guest" arrived in a white stretch limousine with 10 bodyguards.
He took to the stage with a troupe of dancers and performed four Jackson routines leaving the audience, theatre staff and sound engineers in no doubt that it was the real thing.
But on Tuesday, Jackson's record company, Sony Music, burst the Barnstaple bubble and denied the superstar had been in Devon at the weekend
"Michael has been in Los Angeles since last week and sends his love to all his British fans," it said in a statement.
"Who Is It" video:
[youtube:3gfpuhgf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQwFHoLMti8[/youtube:3gfpuhgf]
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Guys,
The taped fingers!! I know Michael has discoloured fingers but i dont see a reason why he needed to tape it in shows/interviews..
Unless..to hide that it was actually double that did the interviews not the real Michael since discoloured fingers is a feature that cant easily changed.
What do you think about it?
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Guys,
The taped fingers!! I know Michael has discoloured fingers but i dont see a reason why he needed to tape it in shows/interviews..
Unless..to hide that it was actually double that did the interviews not the real Michael since discoloured fingers is a feature that cant easily changed.
What do you think about it?
The tape on his fingers are one of his "trademarks", so are the white socks, Fedora's hat and the sun glasses. I don't find that weird, he did use them in interviews, awards...
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Guys,
The taped fingers!! I know Michael has discoloured fingers but i dont see a reason why he needed to tape it in shows/interviews..
Unless..to hide that it was actually double that did the interviews not the real Michael since discoloured fingers is a feature that cant easily changed.
What do you think about it?
The tape on his fingers are one of his "trademarks", so are the white socks, Fedora's hat and the sun glasses. I don't find that weird, he did use them in interviews, awards...
I've heard that they were to draw your attention to his hand movements (like the sox and glove). I remember him saying something about it in the rabbi tapes I think.
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I haven't posted in quite awhile, but I do think doubles have been used for quite some time. E'Cas was used in the video "Who Is It" . He may not have sang and dance, but point is, Michael DID use him to finish the video.
That rumor has been circulating way too long, and it was stated numerous times before: It's not true. The Who Is It video was released in 1993. E'Cas was just a kid back then.
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I haven't posted in quite awhile, but I do think doubles have been used for quite some time. E'Cas was used in the video "Who Is It" . He may not have sang and dance, but point is, Michael DID use him to finish the video.
That rumor has been circulating way too long, and it was stated numerous times before: It's not true. The Who Is It video was released in 1993. E'Cas was just a kid back then.
Hmm, I saw some vids on you tube of E'cas from the late 80's and he is not a kid there.
I bet that guy in his mid 30s now.
But I dont really care if he was in Who Is It or not.... Its not important at this point.
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E'cas was an MJ imperonator even in 1988 so he was'nt a kid in 1993, just look att the blossom episode and Back to the future 2.
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Just to underline WHO had work done I ask you to look at the following pictures. Who are these people..? Could have been anyone. Why is the face covered time after time? And no, this is not because "work had been done", as there are also photos of appearances in between the doctors visits without masks and sunglasses, showing nothing that leads to the thought of "work has been done".
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/app_2009_01.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/app_2009_02.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/app_2009_03.jpg)
I think one of them are Michael. but some of them are doubles. maybe he wanted to create a illusion.
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hi! I'm glad to read I'm not the only one who is confused! I used to watch to a lots of mj's pictures when I was younger and when mj was younger... then I just listened to his music or watched his videos, and he has changed during the years. but my impression after reading and watching videos on youtube is there are too many "mj" out there!!! I personally find hard sometimes to say in which picture there's michael... and as for THIS IS IT, I noticed a big difference between mj without sunglasses (the real one?) and the one with sunglasses (fake?).
BUT ON THIS IS IT POSTER'S PICTURES YOU CAN ONLY SEE MJ WITHOUT SUNGLASSES... why? since it was more common to see him with glasses on in pictures than to see him sing with glasses...
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MJ didnt use doubles.. i am convinced. He only used them certain times in the shows for stunts (like the flying spaceman at the end, etc)
I have pictures. First teeth
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Next up is the hands... this is what had me 100 percent convinced with hard evidence.
Michael had arthiritis in his hands and fingers. This can change the shape of the hands.
View this article: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/arthriti ... ngers.html (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/arthritis-symptoms-in-fingers.html)
The bumps on his wrist and little pinky finger are arthiritis.. this is also, sadly, in the autopsy report. This cannot be faked. My mother has this in her fingers too so i know what it looks like.
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Look at the arthiritis bump on his wrists:
and also look at TII MJ to O2 mj.. same guy, all Michael.
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Teeth: ever heard of false teeth?
And how do you know you are comparing the hands with the real deal? I see a lot of sunglasses and masks...
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In the photos there is a mixture of hats, sunglasses and masks.. in some he has them and others not.. but the hands always match up.
Michael liked to wear sunglasses and masks.. cant help that, sorry. Most pics have him wearing them in some combination.
The court photo is Michael... and he isnt wearing sunglasses or a mask.. and his hands match to all the other photos.
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We have a program here in Holland where 2 people are playing multiple Dutch celebrities. They don't even look like some of the celebrities, but still come close enough with false teeth and prostetic make up.
[youtube:1x9u081q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOwk_03zc3s[/youtube:1x9u081q]
This is how they normally look like:
http://www.freewebs.com/carloenirenefan ... 6%20(WinCE (http://www.freewebs.com/carloenirenefansite/Carlo&Irene26%20(WinCE)).jpg
I have the feeling some don't realize what is possible nowadays. Imagine what can be done with people that already do look like each other...
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please look at these two pictures and tell if you can see the same breathtaking, almond-shaped eyes in both
to me these two do not match at all
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please look at these two pictures and tell if you can see the same breathtaking, almond-shaped eyes in both
to me these two do not match at all
I wonder if this was his disguise! u know what I mean..
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Its hard to compare eyes when he is wearing sunglasses.. but they look the same to me.
Ive found another one to show the arthiritis in the fingers.
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Its hard to compare eyes when he is wearing sunglasses.. but they look the same to me.
Ive found another one to show the arthiritis in the fingers.
OK, and now I would like to see a picture of Mike (the real deal I mean) without sunglasses, masks or any doubt in my head with that hand...
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Its hard to compare eyes when he is wearing sunglasses.. but they look the same to me.
Ive found another one to show the arthiritis in the fingers.
OK, and now I would like to see a picture of Mike (the real deal I mean) without sunglasses, masks or any doubt in my head with that hand...
I can give you the wrist one, here: (ive already posted it.. but here it is again) It seems the arthiritis in the fingers developed in the last years.
I will keep searching for a clear pinky finger without sunglasses.
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i have just been looking at your comments and pix and i still think its mike - the little pinky tells me so - the little pinky on his left
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i have just been looking at your comments and pix and i still think its mike - the little pinky tells me so - the little pinky on his left
maybe this is exactly why there is a little pinky - for you to see it
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Its hard to compare eyes when he is wearing sunglasses.. but they look the same to me.
Ive found another one to show the arthiritis in the fingers.
OK, and now I would like to see a picture of Mike (the real deal I mean) without sunglasses, masks or any doubt in my head with that hand...
I can give you the wrist one, here: (ive already posted it.. but here it is again) It seems the arthiritis in the fingers developed in the last years.
I will keep searching for a clear pinky finger without sunglasses.
Now where is the bump on his pink? Hmmmmm.
Funny as well is that we have searched for the 'bump' on the wrist. Some have it right, some left and some on both wrists....If I don't forget I'll see if I can post those pics later on.
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but some pix are flipped
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Its hard to compare eyes when he is wearing sunglasses.. but they look the same to me.
Ive found another one to show the arthiritis in the fingers.
OK, and now I would like to see a picture of Mike (the real deal I mean) without sunglasses, masks or any doubt in my head with that hand...
I can give you the wrist one, here: (ive already posted it.. but here it is again) It seems the arthiritis in the fingers developed in the last years.
I will keep searching for a clear pinky finger without sunglasses.
Now where is the bump on his pink? Hmmmmm.
Funny as well is that we have searched for the 'bump' on the wrist. Some have it right, some left and some on both wrists....If I don't forget I'll see if I can post those pics later on.
Because the arthiritis in his pinky finger was a new development... it only appears in the later photos on his left hand pinky. Arthiritis develops with age, so it wont be on the earlier photos such as those in the courts. The bump on his wrist, however, did develop earlier and can clearly be seen.
Im not going to search for a non-sunglasses one, as is very difficult to find pics of MJ without sunglasses and a clear shot of his hands in a certain position. If i ever stumble across one i will post. :D Often these things are found without looking. :D
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It's all illusion.... ;)
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@Souza since you and Mo believe that it's all prosthetic make-up, this whole doubles discussion is pointless since you're labelling everything as "prosthetic mask".
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please dont hate me but i am just waiting for someone to suggest that mike never existed
that would be a good one - a good theory
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Ive found another one... its fun looking at pics of my gorgeous Mature Mike!
If you look closely you can see his bumpy pinky finger in this one, on his left hand.. although it is hard to see as far away.
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looks like the 02 hair as well
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Wrist again... (no sunglasses or mask)
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DancingTheDream, I just think you see other MJ's than I do. This will never end. The first one you posted is not Mike IMO, the second one,,,, well shoot me if you'd like, but I'm not sure either.
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please dont hate me but i am just waiting for someone to suggest that mike never existed
that would be a good one - a good theory
Well I have to disappoint you, you will not hear ME say that, I can assure you that.
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Did anyone compare the gold pants and how the bulge is different in some photos.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ok that was a joke....
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Did anyone compare the gold pants and how the bulge is different in some photos.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ok that was a joke....
Actually you have a point cause on MJ has a totally different build that other and its not just about being bulked up.
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Did anyone compare the gold pants and how the bulge is different in some photos.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ok that was a joke....
Actually you have a point cause on MJ has a totally different build that other and its not just about being bulked up.
Mm, mm, mm, than I guess we'd better get started on THAT investigation right away, eh?? ASAP!
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As I said on the other thread. I am also wondering about the shoes.
I always thought that Michael wore the same black loafers all the time. But recently, after seeing the Tim Hill book, I have found all the pics of him in concert with a white piece on the top - so that makes it black and white shoes.
These shoes are in the TMZ picture with the RIP or alive poll? Did the different MJs use different shoes? Zaldy said he had only one kind of shoe and even in the exhibition there are plain black shoes. So where did the new ones come from?
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As I said on the other thread. I am also wondering about the shoes.
I always thought that Michael wore the same black loafers all the time. But recently, after seeing the Tim Hill book, I have found all the pics of him in concert with a white piece on the top - so that makes it black and white shoes.
These shoes are in the TMZ picture with the RIP or alive poll? Did the different MJs use different shoes? Zaldy said he had only one kind of shoe and even in the exhibition there are plain black shoes. So where did the new ones come from?
He was wearing these same styled shoes during the 1995 MTV awards show.
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This may be out there - but since we are looking at a family member acting as a decoy - my first thought would be Taryll.
I remember alwaysbelieveMj's video about Taryll being Michael at the Grammys.
[youtube:1z2o6e3p]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukSJpqsmL0M[/youtube:1z2o6e3p]
At that time I left a comment for her video that it is possible.
This ties in with the clue. I always wondered why the pic of DCM's uncle was released and what the connection was - but the LKL clue giver brought? our attention to how a nephew could look like the uncle. Why couldn't that be reversed too
I was referring to the comment on the LKL blog about this article from http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/ ... -doctor.do (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23802770-conrad-did-not-kill-michael-jackson-says-uncle-of-accused-doctor.do) The picture here is obviously a photo-shopped Murray.
(http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2010/02/conrad-uncle415.jpg)
But what if the clue giver was right and the nephew was actually made to look like the uncle. Do you think Taryll played Micheal during TII. Remember Michael had also wanted 3T to help him in his future projects which is all about movies - It was featured in the dynasty series. I also wondered why Taryll left abruptly in that episode when they mentioned his uncle's passing.
This is scary cos I wonder who is stringing us along. Say it was Taryll and MJ really died. Then wouldn't it be so inhuman if they made us believe Michael was alive just to get the bucks in.
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In Taryll's favor - He is 5' 11" and has the side smile that shows more teeth on the left hand side
(http://meetthefamily.online.fr/images/tar.gif)
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Also did you know this about his will
However, a separate clause insists that if any of Michael's beneficiaries had passed away, then his assets would be divided between six additional relatives. These six people include his brother Tito's three sons. Looks like Michael liked to play favourites with his family, eh?!!
http://www.johnnyikon.com/articles/5174 ... amily.html (http://www.johnnyikon.com/articles/5174-Michael-Jackson-played-favourites-with-his-family.html)
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As I said on the other thread. I am also wondering about the shoes.
I always thought that Michael wore the same black loafers all the time. But recently, after seeing the Tim Hill book, I have found all the pics of him in concert with a white piece on the top - so that makes it black and white shoes.
These shoes are in the TMZ picture with the RIP or alive poll? Did the different MJs use different shoes? Zaldy said he had only one kind of shoe and even in the exhibition there are plain black shoes. So where did the new ones come from?
During the later years, he also seemed to wear heeled boots a lot.
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As I said on the other thread. I am also wondering about the shoes.
I always thought that Michael wore the same black loafers all the time. But recently, after seeing the Tim Hill book, I have found all the pics of him in concert with a white piece on the top - so that makes it black and white shoes.
These shoes are in the TMZ picture with the RIP or alive poll? Did the different MJs use different shoes? Zaldy said he had only one kind of shoe and even in the exhibition there are plain black shoes. So where did the new ones come from?
During the later years, he also seemed to wear heeled boots a lot.
Yeah he wears the white piece shoes even in the Zaldy concert that I talked about.
So why did Zaldy say Michael had only one type of shoe (even if the was for concerts) and he had so many pairs of them.
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[youtube:19d9dbz8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukSJpqsmL0M[/youtube:19d9dbz8]
Taryll looked very good, I guess I was to distracted to even think of the possibility, but after seeing this it might as well be. :lol:
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I am very reluctant to believe any twitter account.
There is this one and his last tweet on June 24.
I found this a little odd.
MJJackson1958
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HI to my lovely 3 nephews 3T !!! 7:21 PM Jun 24th, 2009 via web
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I don't have time! very busy!!! 7:18 PM Jun 24th, 2009 via web
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The dates are fast approaching 3:17 PM Jun 19th, 2009 via web
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Doing the MoonWalk 2:06 AM Jun 13th, 2009 via web
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These will be my final shows performances in London. be performing the songs my fans want to hear! 7:51 PM Jun 10th, 2009 via web
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wants to find six marching snare drummers to take part in the shows , don't want any to have beards or stubble 7:45 PM Jun 10th, 2009 via web
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wants to assemble a children's choir for the shows, made up of "exactly equal" numbers of black, white, Asian and mixed-raced kids. 7:43 PM Jun 10th, 2009 via web
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I love you dearly elizabeth , you're a true friend! you have been my constant with your support, your caring and love! love you always 8:16 PM Jun 9th, 2009 via web
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To all of my fans , be prepared for a big suprise that i'm working on! don't forget i love you all! 7:03 PM Jun 9th, 2009 via web
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set to turn the Kent house in london to a replica of Neverland Ranch. 11:23 AM Jun 9th, 2009 via web
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Working at the studio! I would like to say to all my fans that i love you all, thank you so much for your support and love! 7:31 PM Jun 8th, 2009 via web
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@Grace.. i think you have posted that on the wrong thread, my dear! x
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Taryll at the Grammies. That is a big possibility.
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Taryll at the Grammies. That is a big possibility.
Agreed.
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Wow , I never clicked on any double thread cos I was sure it was always MJ , but the pics badkolo posted are very different , ok i was wrong , I think there are doubles .. I'm convinced now..lmao
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I posted this in the other thread on the doppleganger but I am going to post it here as well because I feel it is an important concept and another twist on the idea of "Double".
I realize that a lot of time and effort has been put in to the idea of doubles or a doppleganger but I honestly and firmly believe that it is all Michael. I did an experiment and took pictures of myself and in each picture I look very different. These pictures where taken indoors, outdoors, in the sun, in the shade etc. I did nothing unusual at all. Depending on the light, how I held myself, the angle at which the camera was held etc. I do look different. In some pictures I almost look like a different person yet these pictures where only taken seconds and minutes apart. I had a friend look at them, without telling them why, and their comment was "WOW! You sure look different in each pic ...lol". So yes, it is possible for Michael to appear "different" in each and every picture ever taken of him.
As far as doubles go, I don't think Michael used them beyond stunt work, illusions/distractions and decoys.
I do think there is something going on with the concept of DUALITY and it has become confused with the idea of doubles having a greater role than intended.
I am currently researching this:
Dualism is the doctrine that the world (or reality) consists of two basic, opposed, and irreducible principles that account for all that exists. It has played an important role in the history of thought and of religion.
http://www.cyberspacei.com/jesusi/inlight/religion/belief/dualism.htm
Dualism
Dualism denotes a state of two parts. The word's origin is the Latin duo, "two" . The term 'dualism' was originally coined to denote co-eternal binary opposition, a meaning that is preserved in metaphysical and philosophical duality discourse but has been diluted in general or common usages.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism
Anyways, that is my position on this and I will continue researching this philosophy but I thought I would share as it seems relevant to me with all the "Two's" of everything and maybe we are looking in the wrong place concerning this.
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Wow , Ive never clicked on any double thread cos I was sure it was always MJ , but the pics badkolo posted are very different , ok i was wrong , I think there are doubles .. I'm convinced now..lmao
Welcome to the confusion. :?:
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I did run all those pictures through the face recognition software from google, and it always matches as the same person. They do not match ecas or any other doubles pics. I wish I could understand how they come to that conclusion. Even O2 guy gets matched.
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I did run all those pictures through the face recognition software from google, and it always matches as the same person. They do not match ecas or any other doubles pics. I wish I could understand how they come to that conclusion. Even O2 guy gets matched.
because it's MJ... it doesn't matter though because everyone will have an excuse why that software didn't work...
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I did run all those pictures through the face recognition software from google, and it always matches as the same person. They do not match ecas or any other doubles pics. I wish I could understand how they come to that conclusion. Even O2 guy gets matched.
Do you have a link to that software?
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look who's who!!!!!!
http://twitpic.com/1n8xj0 (http://twitpic.com/1n8xj0)
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look who's who!!!!!!
http://twitpic.com/1n8xj0 (http://twitpic.com/1n8xj0)
and who is who? left Michael or right Michael?
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looks like both real mike to me. just different angles. some face lines just cannot be doubled, imo.
:mrgreen:
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Since we are all supposed to back our claims regarding a person with some or the other evidence, so I'll believe in the O2 "double" only when I hear it from his mouth.....not because of mere speculations.....
And the point here is not taht people are unready to accept that MJ used doubles...all celebrities do..all of 'em.....I say this because I had this classmate once....And recently on a flight back home, I saw an Airhostess who looked a lot like her (95%) .....For a moment I thought that it was really her...But I soon realised that she was a lookalike, because her name was different.....
If you happen to be an eye candy or Icon of some sort...the kind whom people love to feast their eyes upon, you have to have doubles....for the sake of your own sanity..... ;)
And we all know that. Nobody's denying the existence of doubles....we're not delusional and mad......
Its just that ONE particular SCENE ( ie the O2) is causing all the trouble and confusion.
And as far as the eyes go, theres ths operation by which you can remove the fatty layer from beneath your eyes....That same fatty layer taht causes EYEBAGS when you are old....MJ had them done..Its evident from the pics and how his eyes shaped over the years...They didnt change drastically....He jsut had the fatty layer reoved and so they looked a little bigger during the dangerous era and onwards. I have seen a lady with such a procedure...So I just wanted to share my experience.
The point is wether there was a double there or not at the O2....we're not saying taht doubles never existed........ ;)
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2 Michaels. The ears are different, and that has nothing to do with light or perspective.
One picture is the right ear, and one pichture are the left ear, but two Michaels.
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3562/aaact.jpg (http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3562/aaact.jpg)
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8946/aaaabdp.jpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8946/aaaabdp.jpg)
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Can we have some coherent photos please? For a change? Instead of those that cant be compared??
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2 Michaels. The ears are different, and that has nothing to do with light or perspective.
One picture is the right ear, and one pichture are the left ear, but two Michaels.
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3562/aaact.jpg (http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3562/aaact.jpg)
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8946/aaaabdp.jpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8946/aaaabdp.jpg)
well, there is also the fact that ears grow during your whole life. what was done there was a comparison between mike as a kid and mike as a young adult with recent pics. plus he allegedly had some cartilage from the ears removed to reconstruct his nose. that could be two different reasons for different ears...just sayin'...
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Like I said...I'll accept it whole heartedly that O2 was MJ double when HE says it from his own mouth.....Not meaning to complain..I like that the Admins have often stressed on a "tape" or a "video" or any other "hardcore" evidence instead of hearsay....Thats a good trend and it should apply to all issues including this one. Lets be fair.
And I'll say it again: The issue is not wether doubles existed....the issue is wether there was a double at the O2 .....ONLY THAT is the issue.
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well, there is also the fact that ears grow during your whole life. what was done there was a comparison between mike as a kid and mike as a young adult with recent pics. plus he allegedly had some cartilage from the ears removed to reconstruct his nose. that could be two different reasons for different ears...just sayin'...
The ears of the two MJ are the same all the time, without missing the cartilage. The paintings are each made nearly the same time. And that is also at TII.
The picture are from child, teeny and as a man.
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Hello every1. I have litteraly just found out about this website, and i found it from a link about barry shaw. i am somewhat new the mj hoax theories, and not sure if i believe it or not... but i am also new to barry shaw... and i have some interesting things to tell you all that may shock some of u.
anyways, first i want to say this..... you are all making a big huge deal about how stupid and crazy it is that barry shaw could be michaels personal body double. you ridicule this man for that. do you not all see that YOU ARE SPENDING LOTS OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE BIGGEST TRICK EVER PLAYED IN HISTORY? (Mj hoax) if you think barry shaw is stupid and funny and all that, then shouldnt u be the ones sayin that this hoax is not really a hoax? i mean do u get my point?
but anyways, like i said i wasnt reaaly into the hoax, or into barry , BUTTT , i was one of the people that barry picked to do the live webcam showing with. in fact i was the one who took the photo in which you are displaying here of him..
sure you can laugh about my photo.. but it was real. and as posted in the photo, he went on with glasses, and without glasses. he look just like michael jackson.
i quick snapped a snap shot with my phone cam as he said he was about to get off. so luckily i got a picture...
i mean this was concrete proof. I SAW HIM ON CAM. and more than that i took a picture (depite him telling us not to) and showed it to all of you.. yet you still ridicule him.. why?
im telling u.. i dont think mj is alive, and i thought barry was a joke.. but he proved me wrong...
maybe mj is dead, maybe alive.. i tell u this tho.. him going on cam scared the sh*t out of me, because i thought / think i talked to michael..
so there is now two questions.. 1. Do I believe Barry Shaw that he was Michael's body double? or 2. Is barry shaw in fact michael jackson, and I spoke to michael jackson? ... to me #1 seems much more realistic.
Thats just my opinions.
im sure i will be ridiculed by many of you here, as ive learned many of mj fans are really rude and love to spread hatred to people who disagree with them... but i tell you this much... who is more weird, a guy who looks like someone else, and proved it, or a guy who believes Michael Jackson fooled every news caster, every cop, every pathologist, in the world? think about that..
by the way, i am the one who posted that pic on facebook... u can find me on there if u wish to confirm that this is me... name is John Harrison.
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To the above.. what photo are you talking about?
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Hi MJJ272.....welcome to our forum. I think we like to look at all possibilities here. Hopefully you won't find us rude or hatemongers. Give us time to examine this and nut it out. We would be silly to dismiss something before at least taking a look.
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Ok, StoryTime. Once upon a time, there was a little girl with a mouthfull of pointy teeth.
Her mom laughed every time SHE did, and when the little girl asked "why?" The Mommy said, "Because you look just like a little fox when you smile." And Daddy laughed, too. The little girl asked if pointy teeth were a bad thing. Mother said "Oh, no...the better to tear meat with."
The little girl could tell the Mommy loved her very much, having given such a compliment.
One day, when she was grown, she went to a dentist who said "Here, let me take care of that for you", meaning her lovely pointy, meat-tearing teeth, as the ONLY one who found this fashionable WAS the Mommy. Though she protested that she needed the points for tearing meat, the dentist and his helper laughed harder than Mommy did as they gleefully filed them to nice even pearls, stating that this was what steak knives were for, because teeth were to prettily light up a girl's face, in a gentler, less fierce way. So, the young lady looked way less fierce, and won the heart of of a different fox she'd had her eye on for a while...well...that was the plan.[BTW, don't you HATE what happens teeth, early on, :mad: in the hands of these people?! ] Anyway:
The only points in this story now are these: there are 4 kinds of "foxes". There are hot foxes, there are animal foxes. There are those who look like animal foxes to their mothers, and there are sly foxes, like MJ, juggling more doubles than he even has had baby teeth, probably...
Just because one picture of him that you like (so much you've memorized the teeth), matches kinda-sorta with another one, doesn't mean either one of them are really HIM, or his "teefe". His real teeth have probably all been redone, so his own self, let alone his mother, wouldn't know them! So...you can't count on teeth.
All this just shows me how panicked we all are, to think :oops: we have been following a decoy ALL this time, to go to such detailed examination and scrutiny of the poor man's person. [Yeah, it creeped me out, too, this kind of live autopsy,
but, HEY ---
He STARTED this ride, now he can just hop up on the table and let us examine the EVIDENCE!!! :lol: :wink: :!: ]
Not a criticism, though. I looked, too. Just to see if any of you all picked "MY" guy out.
I think a lesson for "NOT getting lost in The Forest", would be helpful, here. :)
If you want to not get lost in a forest (when you are there), you MUST always keep an eye on the first tree you step away from(knowing where you ARE!), by marking it, and lining ALL subsequent trees you pass, up with IT---NOT only with each other, or you'll get turned around, and LOST.
I think Souza said something about starting with the last KNOWN pix of MJ from the Bad era, and I would say even a few years before that. That's when he REALLY took the first jump in looking differently, although it is probably just natural growth.
Line THOSE up, and then match all others to THOSE, not to anything else. Line 3, 4, 5, 10, of THOSE up---sans glasses :? with those from later, which you can see his entire face w/o any hiding behind his curls (Dude :wink: ), and then see if you can see MJ in there somewhere.
If you line EVERY picture up with at least three of the first ones, you should not go wrong. (It would help to view them all in B+W, too.) The personality changes SO much from 20s to 50s, I wouldn't EXPECT to see the same "look in his eyes", but I still like to look for it; that whimsical MJ spark. You KNOW we haven't seen THAT in years---and you know what we've told ourselves about it.
When ever he "had his d'ruthers", he seemed to POSE looking left, with his right cheek front. I don't know if, later, he just gave up his preference or it never WAS him after a certain point, and THAT's why "He" didn't care about it! Maybe he simply realized he was too hot from both sides, and got over it! Well...
Just "Food for Thought" (and a bedtime story!)...
I am :? not good at posting pix, but if I find some revealing ones, I'll ask for help.
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Hello every1. I have litteraly just found out about this website, and i found it from a link about barry shaw. i am somewhat new the mj hoax theories, and not sure if i believe it or not... but i am also new to barry shaw... and i have some interesting things to tell you all that may shock some of u.
anyways, first i want to say this..... you are all making a big huge deal about how stupid and crazy it is that barry shaw could be michaels personal body double. you ridicule this man for that. do you not all see that YOU ARE SPENDING LOTS OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE BIGGEST TRICK EVER PLAYED IN HISTORY? (Mj hoax) if you think barry shaw is stupid and funny and all that, then shouldnt u be the ones sayin that this hoax is not really a hoax? i mean do u get my point?
but anyways, like i said i wasnt reaaly into the hoax, or into barry , BUTTT , i was one of the people that barry picked to do the live webcam showing with. in fact i was the one who took the photo in which you are displaying here of him..
sure you can laugh about my photo.. but it was real. and as posted in the photo, he went on with glasses, and without glasses. he look just like michael jackson.
i quick snapped a snap shot with my phone cam as he said he was about to get off. so luckily i got a picture...
i mean this was concrete proof. I SAW HIM ON CAM. and more than that i took a picture (depite him telling us not to) and showed it to all of you.. yet you still ridicule him.. why?
im telling u.. i dont think mj is alive, and i thought barry was a joke.. but he proved me wrong...
maybe mj is dead, maybe alive.. i tell u this tho.. him going on cam scared the sh*t out of me, because i thought / think i talked to michael..
so there is now two questions.. 1. Do I believe Barry Shaw that he was Michael's body double? or 2. Is barry shaw in fact michael jackson, and I spoke to michael jackson? ... to me #1 seems much more realistic.
Thats just my opinions.
im sure i will be ridiculed by many of you here, as ive learned many of mj fans are really rude and love to spread hatred to people who disagree with them... but i tell you this much... who is more weird, a guy who looks like someone else, and proved it, or a guy who believes Michael Jackson fooled every news caster, every cop, every pathologist, in the world? think about that..
by the way, i am the one who posted that pic on facebook... u can find me on there if u wish to confirm that this is me... name is John Harrison.
The picture you claim to have been taken belongs to another person who is not "Barry Shaw" ;)
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.c ... 494&page=1 (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=497541917&albumId=760494&page=1)
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look at that pic...is the best double i ever seen yet
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Is that double even breathing? looks like a dummy
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Hello everybody. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one to believe there is something very weird going on, and there are doubles involved in it.
The problem is not that MJ has some doubles, as lot of you said, this is normal and we all knew that.
The point is: why Michael has used the double to appear in public instead of him and even to talk to people and media? Like the O2 guy.....if it's an impersonator (and I think he is, not because I've read about it, I thought that from the very first time I saw the interview!) can you imagine how far he can go with that?? His voice is almost the same....he could have even done interviews before!
(And by they way, I'm SURE there are two Michaels in This is it)
Actually my doubts go much farer than the O2 guy...but please, don't think I'm crazy here! :D
Maybe I'm the only one who has doubts, but even during some old interview, he looked so different from one scene to another, it's scary.....You know the interview with Bashir, can somebody tell me how long was between the part Michael was with Gavin and the very last part when he wears a purple shirt?
don't you think he looks very very different??? Like, much more like him in the last part?
The difference betwen the two look like the 2 differents photos you posted at the beginning of this thread....people, I'm very confused!
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Ok people, I've being watching this interview with Bashir for long.....when Michael is with Gavin (with the black shirt for instance) he has a very crispy face, very tense, and in other scene, like the last part with the purple shirt, he's got a different face. Please, before telling me I'm crazy (I know I'm surely wrong), take a look at the scenes....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqOc6LnG ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqOc6LnGPls&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN58GQwR ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN58GQwRoF4&feature=related)
A part from his nose (he could have modified it quickly) his chin is longer in the first one, his theeth look different, he closes his mouth in a different way because of the chin, the cheeks....I'm sorry that I haven't the program to compare you the 2 images!
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Is that double even breathing? looks like a dummy
LOL!
Looks like wax to me also :S
EDIT: Why blue eyes? :shock:
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The pic is blurred, but the color of his eyes look photoshopped.
@Popisdead, where and how did you get that pic? it is an impersonator, and you know about it.
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well is an impersonator....and i have to remember his name...a person gave me that pic on my msn account....i will be more exact i have to do some research...to find his name and other pics about him
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Thank you Luv.
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this is another one
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third one
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Just saw your request. I see you have managed to upload the pics.
All I can say on the 1st one is :shock: that impersonator could have fooled me if I see him on cam to cam.
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yes me too....i dont be succesfull to find his name is like laarson or some like that
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I need to see one pic of that impersonator smiling.
May I ask you? who sent you the pics?
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Larsson? sounds Skandinavian to me.
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Ok people, I've being watching this interview with Bashir for long.....when Michael is with Gavin (with the black shirt for instance) he has a very crispy face, very tense, and in other scene, like the last part with the purple shirt, he's got a different face. Please, before telling me I'm crazy (I know I'm surely wrong), take a look at the scenes....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqOc6LnG ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqOc6LnGPls&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN58GQwR ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN58GQwRoF4&feature=related)
A part from his nose (he could have modified it quickly) his chin is longer in the first one, his theeth look different, he closes his mouth in a different way because of the chin, the cheeks....I'm sorry that I haven't the program to compare you the 2 images!
I think the same as you ,i have watched them over and over and somethings different.
The two mj`s seem the same but different , if that makes any sense .I know this sounds crazy but there`s something not right between the two.They are so similar but not quite the same.
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The two mj`s seem the same but different , if that makes any sense .I know this sounds crazy but there`s something not right between the two.They are so similar but not quite the same.
Not only the looks, but the aura and the personality as well :?
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It's Lane Lassiter working in Las Vegas ...
Here is myspace link : http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter
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I think the same as you ,i have watched them over and over and somethings different.
The two mj`s seem the same but different , if that makes any sense .I know this sounds crazy but there`s something not right between the two.They are so similar but not quite the same.
Thank you, you look me seem less twisted! lol
Look, he has really another face, now the explication would be that, in the meantime, he had other surgeries that reshaped (better) his nose and cheeks....but still, what about the mouth and the chin? I don't know what to think.....I guess nobody noticed cause we all were used to his face changes, so we just said, ok he had other surgeries again....but in this case, in the final part , which was made LATER (for sure), he looks more "like before"... if you know what I mean.
It's really weird...
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I dont get how some people think its so far fetched and rediculous that Michael used/uses doubles and are adamant its all him but then they definatly believe he faked his death and dont see this as far fetched?
I'm not saying he is dead as I am more leaned towards that he did fake his death
it has been stated that Michael used doubles so why does it seem so unlikely to some people that he may have used doubles for this is it and/or 02?
I myself am open minded to every possibility in this hoax if i find it possible he faked his death then why not think he may have used doubles when it has been stated he did in his life, and If you dont agree on the double theory state your opinion in a nice manner why stay on the thread and be rude to people that do believe in this theory leave them alone to discuss it and go to another thread you believe in i cannot believe some of the rude and mean comments i have read from people that just dont want to think about the possibilty of doubles.
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It's Lane Lassiter working in Las Vegas ...
Here is myspace link : http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter
:shock: eeww, in some pics one can get fooled
After disecting MJ for over a year, we can spot the differences may be but the random user can get confused!.
I hope the artist does not mind about the pics being posted here.
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=100894307&albumID=3044421&imageID=53342491
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=100894307&albumID=836588&imageID=16100193
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I found a youtube Lane Lassiter... paragraph 0.47 Lane's youthful image :shock: really looks like the same as MJ as a young :roll: Lane sings this song and also sounds like MJ? :roll: :shock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG3QUaU4b6Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG3QUaU4b6Y)
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He does not sound that alike, does he?
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I dont get how some people think its so far fetched and rediculous that Michael used/uses doubles and are adamant its all him but then they definatly believe he faked his death and dont see this as far fetched?
I'm not saying he is dead as I am more leaned towards that he did fake his death
it has been stated that Michael used doubles so why does it seem so unlikely to some people that he may have used doubles for this is it and/or 02?
I myself am open minded to every possibility in this hoax if i find it possible he faked his death then why not think he may have used doubles when it has been stated he did in his life, and If you dont agree on the double theory state your opinion in a nice manner why stay on the thread and be rude to people that do believe in this theory leave them alone to discuss it and go to another thread you believe in i cannot believe some of the rude and mean comments i have read from people that just dont want to think about the possibilty of doubles.
The only double THEY used is this
(http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/8367/sfsd.png) (http://img295.imageshack.us/i/sfsd.png/)
after Michael "died" to finish the clip. The rest is Michael himself, including 02
That's why you can't see his face in that part of the video
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He does not sound that alike, does he?
Not totally sound like MJ, but some of the same tone shades of sounds.. that will surprise.
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Just one quick statement. I do believe he used doubles from time to time, yes. But something puzzles me about this whole "operation". If there are as many doubles as we think (that actually LOOK like Michael) how come we haven't seen them after June 25th? I mean, there are some that genuinely look like Michael... Where have they been?
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IMO, the "best double" would be Carlo Riley. He looks so much like MJ it's scary. :o
View his photos, you'll be shocked!
http://www.myspace.com/carloriley/photo ... otos/54029 (http://www.myspace.com/carloriley/photos/albums/my-photos/54029)
Here's a couple random ones:
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/84/l_1b7977665db0b65d665e0871a575c024.jpg)
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/124/l_0657d095c796725c7a763000da4dbab0.jpg)
(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/7/l_5cadb2dbfebbeca8e786b64ae69ad695.jpg)
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/115/l_e55f63d0063eca8069086e164aae9fcc.jpg)
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I dont get how some people think its so far fetched and rediculous that Michael used/uses doubles and are adamant its all him but then they definatly believe he faked his death and dont see this as far fetched?
I'm not saying he is dead as I am more leaned towards that he did fake his death
it has been stated that Michael used doubles so why does it seem so unlikely to some people that he may have used doubles for this is it and/or 02?
I myself am open minded to every possibility in this hoax if i find it possible he faked his death then why not think he may have used doubles when it has been stated he did in his life, and If you dont agree on the double theory state your opinion in a nice manner why stay on the thread and be rude to people that do believe in this theory leave them alone to discuss it and go to another thread you believe in i cannot believe some of the rude and mean comments i have read from people that just dont want to think about the possibilty of doubles.
The only double THEY used is this
(http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/8367/sfsd.png) (http://img295.imageshack.us/i/sfsd.png/)
after Michael "died" to finish the clip. The rest is Michael himself, including 02
That's why you can't see his face in that part of the video
How can you so sure about that?
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IMO, the "best double" would be Carlo Riley. He looks so much like MJ it's scary. :o
View his photos, you'll be shocked!
http://www.myspace.com/carloriley/photo ... otos/54029 (http://www.myspace.com/carloriley/photos/albums/my-photos/54029)
Here's a couple random ones:
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/84/l_1b7977665db0b65d665e0871a575c024.jpg)
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/124/l_0657d095c796725c7a763000da4dbab0.jpg)
(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/7/l_5cadb2dbfebbeca8e786b64ae69ad695.jpg)
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/115/l_e55f63d0063eca8069086e164aae9fcc.jpg)
Sorry, but his eyes don't look anything like Mike's. He might be able to fool fans while wearing shades, but not without shades.
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Sorry, but his eyes don't look anything like Mike's. He might be able to fool fans while wearing shades, but not without shades.
Really? I thought they looked very similar. :? :shock:
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ARE PEOPLE HERE LOSING THEIR MIND ?
Its MJ in all those pic, believe it or not.
I agree. The pics OP posted...it's all the same person.
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He used a double. At least one, it's obvious to me. Just my opinion.
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Next up is the hands... this is what had me 100 percent convinced with hard evidence.
Michael had arthiritis in his hands and fingers. This can change the shape of the hands.
View this article: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/arthriti ... ngers.html (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/arthritis-symptoms-in-fingers.html)
The bumps on his wrist and little pinky finger are arthiritis.. this is also, sadly, in the autopsy report. This cannot be faked. My mother has this in her fingers too so i know what it looks like.
why in the 3rd pic his right hands looks like hes wearing glove and on the left it looks like Michael real hand
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Y'all, I was checking another board (I never visit non-hoax boards, but in this case it paid off, and look what I saw them saying:
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Originally Posted by MYQ View Post
That's coming from the moderator herself!...so I rest my case. hey, goodmusic! I miss you!
Hey MYQ! Nice to see you!
MJFC has quite a history with the Jackson family and MJ himself. I'm proud to be here that's for sure.
He had an account that's for sure, because the thread of his hair was made into a subforum where you needed an account for to acces that part of the board.
But the mods, which is understandable, do not want to give out his screenname because of his privacy. So it's kind of a mystery wether he posted or just lurked. About the clothing, we had so much fun around that time! People would open threads with ''Michael if you read this...please wear'' and everybody started to get nervous, because we knew Michael was reading our comments.
It all started when new pictures surfaced and then someone would be like ''Oh, I just wish he would drop the sunglasses for once. I miss his eyes.'' and then everybody would agree and then the next day new pictures would be posted of him wearing no sunglasses. At first we all thought it was just coincidence. But then we were like ''I wonder how he would look like in plain ordinary jeans'' and then the next day, new pictures of him wearing normal grey jeans (while he into those crazy Ed Hardy sweatpants around that time) would hit the board. Then we started to get a little bit suspicious and were like ''Hhm, would love to see him in a cartoon shirt'' and again everyone would agree and then pictures of him wearing that Smurf t shirt were posted.
We all went nuts, and someone opened a thread with ''Michael...if you are really reading this..wear a peter pan shirt tomorrow'' and the next day, he went shopping wearing that hidious green Peter-Panish jacket he borrowed from Arnie Klein lol.
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Originally Posted by cougar286 View Post
This reminds me of this one thread a few months before he died. We were all saying that we wanted the curls back, and next thing we knew there was a picture of him wearing the curls again and we were all excited! And then the fact that he planned to wear Gold Pants for his TII costume confirmed in my mind that he (or someone close to him) read his fan forums.
If I'm correctly Raymone Bain told him about our love for the Gold Pants and Karen Faye actually showed him a few comments lol.
Isn't that weird? I never knew that that was going on a board with the outfits. Early last year was a time loaded with doubles, going in and out to that Klein's office so often. What do you suppose this "interactive outfit" thing had to do with it?
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Er, I have to go to bed now, so could someone be so kind as to see if there was a comparison of those 2009 Klein-office pictures to pictures of the real him? My dial-up is so slow, and then pictures take so so long..!
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Here is a comparison for you guys to discuss and please note, I may be off with these. Sometimes, it's hard to tell if there are doubles or if he looks different due to makeup, hair, weight, etc. but all of these videos are from the same year.
What I believe to be the real MJ @ Disney 2002 and Bambi Awards 2002 (off-topic funny note...notice how he is trying to get Halle Berry in the picture next to him...that's totally Mike. :lol:
Disney
[youtube:ugfqeoul]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElTFXtP9mws[/youtube:ugfqeoul]
Bambi
[youtube:ugfqeoul]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev8WS87Ix7M[/youtube:ugfqeoul]
[youtube:ugfqeoul]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZnDWvgLZ3s[/youtube:ugfqeoul]
What I believe to be a possible double of MJ @ World Music Awards 2002
[youtube:ugfqeoul]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuNRJv9p8GA[/youtube:ugfqeoul]
Also, this same year, he made his speech about Sony and Tommy Mottola. He looks different but that could be due to lighting and hair and makeup.
[youtube:ugfqeoul]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx4NwrMtgw8&feature=related[/youtube:ugfqeoul]
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All Michael. But he was not doing well.
In the Bambi videos, Michael was extremely unsettled and nervous on stage and backstage and I just wonder about the reasons.
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early on in this thing i would not even consider the possibilty. but now i have to wonder. it is something about the mouth. the teeth in particular. trouble is if there are two or more then you have to ask yourself who exactly are you drawn to in this thing.does that make any sense?
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All Michael.
I agree because there are many things that have been "doubled", two of things, an example 2 mangers the "good" manger Frank Dileo and the "bad" manger Thome Thome. There are numerous other things too. I firmly believe that this is not referring to literal doubles but instead pointing us towards Dualism. That there are corresponding complimentary opposites in all of creation, Good/Bad, Light/Dark Male/Female etc and in Michael's natures.
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another question...is blowing my mind...im italian and im able to recognize if italian people have origin from southern o northern italy...you know my country is full of differents accents and dialects...so if i think about the o2 guy some of us here posted that he used a strange accent compared to the mj usual accent...well if there are amercan people here i would like to know which origin could have the o2 guy? from wich part of the usa? and another question is...do mj used that accent before the arena appereance?
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another question...is blowing my mind...im italian and im able to recognize if italian people have origin from southern o northern italy...you know my country is full of differents accents and dialects...so if i think about the o2 guy some of us here posted that he used a strange accent compared to the mj usual accent...well if there are amercan people here i would like to know which origin could have the o2 guy? from wich part of the usa? and another question is...do mj used that accent before the arena appereance?
Good questions.
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Something just occurred to me when I saw the two pictures of Michael alongside his casket at the Burial--the ones where he is wearing a yellow shirt. One shows him with lilies and the other one highlights his hand with bandages. If you look at them closely, it seems they are two different Michaels. They are very similar, but in one of the photos his face looks flatter and fuller; in the other one his face is more chiselled and his jaw is squarer. Could this be why these particular photos were chosen?
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Have you tried comparing MJ's hands to the double's?
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Have you tried comparing MJ's hands to the double's?
Yes, months ago. ;)
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DOUBLES ARE TAKING VOICE CLASSES TO SOUND LIKE MICHAEL ! :roll: :roll: In TII there was THREE doubles used.. TII is not a documentary. There is not MJ at all... :roll: :roll: :roll:
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DOUBLES ARE TAKING VOICE CLASSES TO SOUND LIKE MICHAEL ! :roll: :roll: In TII there was THREE doubles used.. TII is not a documentary. There is not MJ at all... :roll: :roll: :roll:
This is funny, :lol: :lol: that you can make a statement like your last one here, NOW, and months ago when :P I
said it, the ENTIRE topic, NOT just my post, was immediately vaporized.
NOT LOCKED.
It is NO more; gone without a trace. :o
The thing is, I was being funny, taking a poke at Sony losing $$$ over this, and you seem serious. :shock:
I am totally on board with using doubles---it would have been IMPOSSIBLE to be Michael Jackson without this kind of help. But, the sound which made MJ a bazillionaire, would require much more than voice lessons, to reproduce. 8-)
Even if one could or would undertake the task of cataloging all of the words in English, which he pronounces SO uniquely, I can't imagine someone being able to learn this list and repeat them with ANY finesse. He 8-) has always had a very specific half-roll of the tongue, and other ;) characteristic touches on certain words, which I have never heard ANY one ace--even that guy who when he sings, sounds eerily just alike MJ...
Every person I've heard try to imitate him only attempt a tongue-in-cheek falsetto-like pitch, NEVER the finer points, BECAUSE it would be too much work, to still not get it right or come even close!! :D
Even the perfectionist that MJ is, it would be impossible to find lookalike people whom he could surgically "tweak" to get "The LOOK" exactly right, with ALSO, the quality of their pipes being even close to fooling anyone. Even with training, the chances of this are :o astronomical. It is amazing that these people could be trained to dance remotely like him, unless they were perfectionistic dancers aready, which FURTHER widens the odds :!: :lol:
Anyway, with digital technology, Mike's authentic voice can be creatively dubbed into any film.
I am not really certain WHEN MJ began using doubles, so I am not certain which ones ARE the doubles, yet. All I KNOW, is, I recognized the sweet doll of my childhood, in one of the Smooth Criminal scenes, and was surprised to see he hadn't changed :) --- didn't even look at all like the MJs we've seen lately(prior to June 25), especially, in the rest of the film... :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :o
Couldn't ONE plan for TII be a vehicle for introducing and crediting the doubles for THEIR contribution to the
Lifetime Michael Jackson Show? 8-)
I mean, don't we WANT to have them all come out and take a bow? :D 8-) 8-) :?:
I DO :!: :mrgreen:
Just curious... :arrow: do you have some substantiating link to this idea, or are you just throwing ideas out for initial examination? :geek:
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early on in this thing i would not even consider the possibilty. but now i have to wonder. it is something about the mouth. the teeth in particular. trouble is if there are two or more then you have to ask yourself who exactly are you drawn to in this thing.does that make any sense?
Perfect sense! Of the two or three MJ lookalikes I have seen, simply investigating the early solo years, one is a tad "prettier"--a more innocent, wide eyed, friendly, sweet look (not feminine, though), and one looks so very serious, deep, and scholarly, like someone you would have to explain a joke to, because he has the weight of the world on his mind; and one just looks like a wiseguy, a prankster; a delinquent, a teasing NUT.
It boggles my mind that even a perfectionist like MJ would be able to search the earth and FIND strangers who look so much like him, they fooled everyone. Or, even transform them into his likeness enough to fool billions.
It's all been said and said, that, perhaps they are near relatives or the nearest of all, twins. I think this theory works best, IF there really is more than one person that we have been seeing all these years.
If he put BOTH of them in his act/videos, as the magician in the movie The Prestige did, a second apart, we'd NEVER get it. We would see the same exact person, even if there were subtle differences, because, just like in the movie, the clock in our brains wouldn't be able to grasp a substitute person in only a second. And, we would be so accustomed to seeing "all his personalities", it would never occur to us that he looks different because he IS different--a different person! This makes his King of Pop personality a composite of all these guys' expressions of theirs.
:arrow: I have looked at all the photos together, where MJ is wearing the jacket with the buckles he wore in Moonwalker/Speed Demon, and I realized it was the clothes which made me think they were all him. Neat trick. ;) The three personality types mentioned above are all wearing that suit of clothes, yet together, they look so different, side by side, I would say they are triplets! (Time to put on our straightjackets!) One is very handsome, innocent looking, friendly. One is very somber and deep, very hotly handsome. One is just dangerous! A heartbreaker, a "punker"(if that's a word). And he seems to be a thicker, more mature man. A wiseguy, as I said. This one, actually gave me a "start" (you know how your tongue turns to paper and your heart stops, because he is intimidating?). He was so much more :shock: "worldly" than I had ever seen Mike...Now...
There are people who have such a chameleon type of face, they do look different every time you see them. I have met only one person like this in my life, but this phemomenon is undeniable and amazing! This is my sister's kid. I've known her all her life, and I still do not know her, when I see her. She looks THAT different. And it can't be attributed to growth or hairstyle. The very musculature in her face takes on a new personality. I can't tell you how many times I get pix of the kids out with their friends, and when I ask, "Who's this?" they laugh at me. My sister doesn't see anything different, because she sees her every day. This young lady is also somewhat more of a thinker, than the rest of the pack. Maybe it has to do with having more going on in one's brain, which incidentally shows up on the countenance? So, I am back to where I started last year, not knowing if there are twins, all the time, or just doubles here and there, standing in...
It IS a dilemma, to figure out which one you have been drawn to all this time! :o I know that identical twins like to fool people. And it only REALLY matters, if it comes down to marrying one of them; otherwise, we can just double or triple our pleasure, and let them entertain us. But, if you were to marry one---how would you decide between them? Sometimes you feel like a nut; sometimes you don't... :lol: :roll:
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early on in this thing i would not even consider the possibilty. but now i have to wonder. it is something about the mouth. the teeth in particular. trouble is if there are two or more then you have to ask yourself who exactly are you drawn to in this thing.does that make any sense?
Perfect sense! Of the two or three MJ lookalikes I have seen, simply investigating the early solo years, one is a tad "prettier"--a more innocent, wide eyed, friendly, sweet look (not feminine, though), and one looks so very serious, deep, and scholarly, like someone you would have to explain a joke to, because he has the weight of the world on his mind; and one just looks like a wiseguy, a prankster; a delinquent, a teasing NUT.
It boggles my mind that even a perfectionist like MJ would be able to search the earth and FIND strangers who look so much like him, they fooled everyone. Or, even transform them into his likeness enough to fool billions.
It's all been said and said, that, perhaps they are near relatives or the nearest of all, twins. I think this theory works best, IF there really is more than one person that we have been seeing all these years.
If he put BOTH of them in his act/videos, as the magician in the movie The Prestige did, a second apart, we'd NEVER get it. We would see the same exact person, even if there were subtle differences, because, just like in the movie, the clock in our brains wouldn't be able to grasp a substitute person in only a second. And, we would be so accustomed to seeing "all his personalities", it would never occur to us that he looks different because he IS different--a different person! This makes his King of Pop personality a composite of all these guys' expressions of theirs.
:arrow: I have looked at all the photos together, where MJ is wearing the jacket with the buckles he wore in Moonwalker/Speed Demon, and I realized it was the clothes which made me think they were all him. Neat trick. ;) The three personality types mentioned above are all wearing that suit of clothes, yet together, they look so different, side by side, I would say they are triplets! (Time to put on our straightjackets!) One is very handsome, innocent looking, friendly. One is very somber and deep, very hotly handsome. One is just dangerous! A heartbreaker, a "punker"(if that's a word). And he seems to be a thicker, more mature man. A wiseguy, as I said. This one, actually gave me a "start" (you know how your tongue turns to paper and your heart stops, because he is intimidating?). He was so much more :shock: "worldly" than I had ever seen Mike...Now...
There are people who have such a chameleon type of face, they do look different every time you see them. I have met only one person like this in my life, but this phemomenon is undeniable and amazing! This is my sister's kid. I've known her all her life, and I still do not know her, when I see her. She looks THAT different. And it can't be attributed to growth or hairstyle. The very musculature in her face takes on a new personality. I can't tell you how many times I get pix of the kids out with their friends, and when I ask, "Who's this?" they laugh at me. My sister doesn't see anything different, because she sees her every day. This young lady is also somewhat more of a thinker, than the rest of the pack. Maybe it has to do with having more going on in one's brain, which incidentally shows up on the countenance? So, I am back to where I started last year, not knowing if there are twins, all the time, or just doubles here and there, standing in...
It IS a dilemma, to figure out which one you have been drawn to all this time! :o I know that identical twins like to fool people. And it only REALLY matters, if it comes down to marrying one of them; otherwise, we can just double or triple our pleasure, and let them entertain us. But, if you were to marry one---how would you decide between them? Sometimes you feel like a nut; sometimes you don't... :lol: :roll:
great! like michael hasn't played with my mind enough now you have to come along and play with it some more :lol: luv ya it's her :D actually i feel like a nut more and more all the time these days :o my brain hurts :( i hope by the time he is done with us we have enough brain left to use it do something :lol:
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All Michael. But he was not doing well.
In the Bambi videos, Michael was extremely unsettled and nervous on stage and backstage and I just wonder about the reasons.
Looks like if he would have a different personality, a childish one.
In the Bashir documentary I also got the impression that MJ showed many shades of his supossed personality.
I saw 3 so far, A femenine one, a childish shy one and a manly adult no hanky panky one.
I am not saying that he had DID, but that he used different personalities, as an actor would do, Imo.
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I would be nervous too, in front of a German-speaking audience with Bashir hanging around. Remember he said that Michael was manic when he showed Blanket. As I recall, that was not a good period for Michael. He seemed to improve afterwards, though. Something must have happened.
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I would be nervous too, in front of a German-speaking audience with Bashir hanging around. Remember he said that Michael was manic when he showed Blanket. As I recall, that was not a good period for Michael. He seemed to improve afterwards, though. Something must have happened.
i have just always had the impression here that he was not able to know what was being said and that he should have been wearing some type of device to translate and that someone in his team failed him (or set him up to fail) in this instance.
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You know you're right. What kind of staff did he have? Of course he was nervous. I would have been too. With that Bashir....
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early on in this thing i would not even consider the possibilty. but now i have to wonder. it is something about the mouth. the teeth in particular. trouble is if there are two or more then you have to ask yourself who exactly are you drawn to in this thing.does that make any sense?
Perfect sense! Of the two or three MJ lookalikes I have seen, simply investigating the early solo years, one is a tad "prettier"--a more innocent, wide eyed, friendly, sweet look (not feminine, though), and one looks so very serious, deep, and scholarly, like someone you would have to explain a joke to, because he has the weight of the world on his mind; and one just looks like a wiseguy, a prankster; a delinquent, a teasing NUT.
It boggles my mind that even a perfectionist like MJ would be able to search the earth and FIND strangers who look so much like him, they fooled everyone. Or, even transform them into his likeness enough to fool billions.
It's all been said and said, that, perhaps they are near relatives or the nearest of all, twins. I think this theory works best, IF there really is more than one person that we have been seeing all these years.
If he put BOTH of them in his act/videos, as the magician in the movie The Prestige did, a second apart, we'd NEVER get it. We would see the same exact person, even if there were subtle differences, because, just like in the movie, the clock in our brains wouldn't be able to grasp a substitute person in only a second. And, we would be so accustomed to seeing "all his personalities", it would never occur to us that he looks different because he IS different--a different person! This makes his King of Pop personality a composite of all these guys' expressions of theirs.
:arrow: I have looked at all the photos together, where MJ is wearing the jacket with the buckles he wore in Moonwalker/Speed Demon, and I realized it was the clothes which made me think they were all him. Neat trick. ;) The three personality types mentioned above are all wearing that suit of clothes, yet together, they look so different, side by side, I would say they are triplets! (Time to put on our straightjackets!) One is very handsome, innocent looking, friendly. One is very somber and deep, very hotly handsome. One is just dangerous! A heartbreaker, a "punker"(if that's a word). And he seems to be a thicker, more mature man. A wiseguy, as I said. This one, actually gave me a "start" (you know how your tongue turns to paper and your heart stops, because he is intimidating?). He was so much more :shock: "worldly" than I had ever seen Mike...Now...
There are people who have such a chameleon type of face, they do look different every time you see them. I have met only one person like this in my life, but this phemomenon is undeniable and amazing! This is my sister's kid. I've known her all her life, and I still do not know her, when I see her. She looks THAT different. And it can't be attributed to growth or hairstyle. The very musculature in her face takes on a new personality. I can't tell you how many times I get pix of the kids out with their friends, and when I ask, "Who's this?" they laugh at me. My sister doesn't see anything different, because she sees her every day. This young lady is also somewhat more of a thinker, than the rest of the pack. Maybe it has to do with having more going on in one's brain, which incidentally shows up on the countenance? So, I am back to where I started last year, not knowing if there are twins, all the time, or just doubles here and there, standing in...
It IS a dilemma, to figure out which one you have been drawn to all this time! :o I know that identical twins like to fool people. And it only REALLY matters, if it comes down to marrying one of them; otherwise, we can just double or triple our pleasure, and let them entertain us. But, if you were to marry one---how would you decide between them? Sometimes you feel like a nut; sometimes you don't... :lol: :roll:
great! like michael hasn't played with my mind enough now you have to come along and play with it some more :lol: luv ya it's her :D actually i feel like a nut more and more all the time these days :o my brain hurts :( i hope by the time he is done with us we have enough brain left to use it do something :lol:
Me too. It DOES make your brain hurt! (Juggling all these men!) I remember MJ saying once that the brain loves a puzzle and can't turn loose of it until it is solved.
I just hope he really is one of those "chameleon people"(with the 7 faces). Then, I wouldn't have to be en guarde everytime I see him. I would just know it is him doing his chameleon thang. It feels like that Star Trek episode, where the android girl Ray-na falls for two men, Captain Kirk and the guy who built her, and can't decide between them, so she blows a gasket, and bites the dust...
:lol: :lol:
Also, it could be true that there are NO doubles--just decoys to divert crowd attention, and a little smoke and mirrors.
Or, it could be that EVERY "MJ" past Thriller, was a boyishly cute actor/dancer, hired and tutored by the Master, himself, to take his place in his road shows, while his real features changed into a more mature look, too manly hot for little girls. I always thought it unlikely that he would still be so "cute" into his forties. It is CUTE that sells. Look how they doctored the Bad Album cover. He's wearing tough clothes, but he's all baby-faced-"hug me"-harmless, with contacts in, too.
He doesn't even look at all like the guy on "Off the Wall" or "Thriller"!
I want to see what THAT guy looks like today. :) I bet he doesn't look like Michael Jackson, King of Pop...
And here is something else: no album covers after this have his PHOTO on them; just drawings.! EVEN "Invincible", which is a puzzle all by its lonesome self. :o
Since we have been looking for clues, dissecting everything, and never before this, I have been wondering why the drawing goes "pixelated" (breaking up--dissolving into tiny pixels-- I think that's what I mean) from one half to the other? What does this mean? That he has gone from a real human, to a fictional character, who must be DRAWN, as there are no photos of a fictional being; to a digital entity--behind the scenes, maybe singing, but from now on, ONLY existing faceless, in digital media, such as music discs and dvds of movies he makes?
He's been trying to tell us something for years...but, what?
Ooooh, my brain parts... :roll: Mercy!
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hey its her
i am right with you on this one i think like your mind.no you do not need a straight jacket your mind works fine!
yeah it was either doubles or twins or triplets.
just look at mike in bad video then go ahead to black and white yeah some features still look same or similiar but others makes you say mmmm i wonder.
i love the mike from bad the best of all he just was so gorgeous and manly !
he just made your body tremble all over!
oh god did i step out of bounds i hope i didnt express my self in a wrong manner.
its just mike was hot no way around that one!
i know all of you are with me on that one!
god bless mjfjei7777
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I love all of your posts. I love Michael dearly now that I have gotten to know him. The other part drawing me hear though is the mystery or the puzzle. He is right my brain won't put it down. What do you guys think of the Micheal that was with Liz Taylor at Liza's wedding. He was so feminine there. Was that actually him. I have trouble believing he could be so manly and then so feminine. The same with the mug shot. I have not been able to reconcile that picture as Michael. (as well as the fact that guy was 2 inches taller than the other Michael.We will figure this out some day if that is what he wants.
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is this one of the official mj's double?
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(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9692/thisisitdouble.jpg)
http://img137.imageshack.us/i/thisisitdouble.jpg/
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(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9692/thisisitdouble.jpg)
http://img137.imageshack.us/i/thisisitdouble.jpg/
Jummm...definitively it's gotta be the patient (left) of an excellent plastic surgeon!!! I mean, somebody gave his life just to be a MJ decoy! WOW! I love this planet!! :lol:
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(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9692/thisisitdouble.jpg)
http://img137.imageshack.us/i/thisisitdouble.jpg/
Jummm...definitively it's gotta be the patient (left) of an excellent plastic surgeon!!! I mean, somebody gave his life just to be a MJ decoy! WOW! I love this planet!! :lol:
Is this the same ANDROMEDA who had a forum, chat, youtube etc and was uploading LeahciMNoskcaJ's videos claiming that she received them from an informer. Is the same Andromeda who was manipulating old videos of Michael, uploading them and claiming they were recent? Is this the same ANDROMEDA who was uploading photos that had been photoshopped, claiming they were of Michael and/or a double. Is this the same ANDROMEDA who downloaded audio of Michael from 2005, from a website that sold bracelets in support of Michael during the trial, uploaded the audio to youtube and claimed it was recent and sent to her by an informer? Is this the same ANDROMEDA who told people that an informer was in contact with her and was revealing things to her on Micheal's behalf? Is this the same ANDROMEDA, that when confronted about all of these deceptions, deleted all of her accounts including the forum?
Before I believe that this is authentic:
1. Who is ANDROMEDA? Because if it is the woman described above, then this is not credible evidence.
2. The website that is credited in this still http://www.mjhd.bplaced.net/ is not functioning.
"bplaced.net Diese Seite ist leider nicht mehr verfügbar, Fehler 404. Sorry, this page is not available any more, error 404."
3.Where are the original photographs, that have been cropped and used in the comparison?
4. Without the original photographs, we can not verify that one or both of the photos hasn't be altered, is from the same day and taken around the same time.
5. Both pictures are taken from completely different angles, the lighting may be different, Michael's head is at a completely different angel in the two photos. As for facial hair growth, photo #1 could be from late in a day and #2 could have been taken in the morning.
6. I am no expert on photos but photo #2 looks like it has been altered to me. I could be wrong and maybe it is just the angle/lighting but it just doesn't look right.
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I love all of your posts. I love Michael dearly now that I have gotten to know him. The other part drawing me hear though is the mystery or the puzzle. He is right my brain won't put it down. What do you guys think of the Micheal that was with Liz Taylor at Liza's wedding. He was so feminine there. Was that actually him. I have trouble believing he could be so manly and then so feminine. The same with the mug shot. I have not been able to reconcile that picture as Michael. (as well as the fact that guy was 2 inches taller than the other Michael.We will figure this out some day if that is what he wants.
I didn't see the way MJ looked at Liza's wedding, I guess, but I have seen pix of what looked to be MJ very thin and fragile looking. And the only thing I know which can change appearance SO drasticly, as to feminize or masculanize someone, more so than usual, is hormones, either a natural imbalance disorder, or taking them on purpose to bulk up or to thin muscle.
These substances can quickly alter appearance, unless under the guidance of an expert, (i.e., one who has actually experienced these), and I don't mean a physician, either. (If you want to have a bad reaction of side effects from any drug, take it as prescribed by a physician. They ALWAYS prescribe TOO much.)
(Hormones can do other scary things, like grow a young miss a fine strappin mustache, or cause a guy to gain 30 pounds and bigger bones in a few months----and thank GOD these effects can be reversible!)
It can't be plastic surgery, either, because it fluctuates, back and forth. My guess would be that these are stand ins or doubles or MJ losing lots of weight on purpose, to fool people. Maybe I am mistaken, but, I thought MJ was actually a lot thicker in frame when his first kids were born. I NEVER felt the pix with Debbie and the babies were actually our (familiar) MJ. He was so made up, and make up can change feature's shape so much.
But, something else...this puzzles me EVERY time I see this. Sometimes MJ poses for pictures partially turned from a straight-on pose, and the look on his face is exactly like the expression of a person apprehensive of being "discovered". Someone with a SECRET, like the Mona Lisa...I don't know how else to describe it!! He looks guilty and wary of being busted. :lol: Some of the pix with Debbie have this "look" in the eyes, in my view... :?
I haven't really seen this guy for years, but THERE HE WAS, :o SUDDENLY, IN TII!!
That's what brought him to mind, the fact that I hadn't seen MJ do this for ages. I recognized him instantly, and realized HE was not the same guy in the rest of TII, or EVEN the rest of the "Smooth Criminal/ Gilda" segment of the film!!
So...who knows who is who, any more. :? Heck, MJ could be walking the streets NOW, :shock: completely undisturbed, because he's left us so many "looks", no one could be certain enough to approach him, any more :!: :roll:
I must admit, though, that the mystery is kind of interesting. I mean, I have a theory...but, we'll all just have to wait and see which one HE reveals as true. He's already revealed his heart, I think, and for me that is the BEST part of this whole thing. :D 8-)
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I been looking at this thread, but I did not really see any names of Michael Jackson's Body Doubles. Can someone tell me the names of almost all of his body doubles? :D
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I been looking at this thread, but I did not really see any names of Michael Jackson's Body Doubles. Can someone tell me the names of almost all of his body doubles? :D
I don't think we know the names. We are just speculating that he has some body doubles. If there are body doubles, I'm assuming Michael made them sign a confidentiality agreement so no one would know who they are.
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I think I found a match! :o
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the nose is different , and there's no cleft.
Plus, if he really was the double, do you think he would wear the exact same outfit out in public? Wouldn't that kind of give it away? :?
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the nose is different , and there's no cleft.
Plus, if he really was the double, do you think he would wear the exact same outfit out in public? Wouldn't that kind of give it away? :?
Impersonators put make-up on their nose so it looks like Michael Jackson's. Impersonators wear make-up to give their chin a cleft look. Plus anything is possible when it comes to Michael Jackson.
E'casanova wore the same outfit as Michael Jackson.
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the nose is different , and there's no cleft.
Plus, if he really was the double, do you think he would wear the exact same outfit out in public? Wouldn't that kind of give it away? :?
Regarding the above doubles/impersonators, it's not the same same guy or the same outfit (no military bars, etc.).
But, what is interesting to me is that the two guys in your two sig pictures are not the same guy either! Very close, but nope. :shock:
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the nose is different , and there's no cleft.
Plus, if he really was the double, do you think he would wear the exact same outfit out in public? Wouldn't that kind of give it away? :?
Regarding the above doubles/impersonators, it's not the same same guy or the same outfit (no military bars, etc.).
But, what is interesting to me is that the two guys in your two sig pictures are not the same guy either! Very close, but nope. :shock:
i also noticed the other day this one useing left hand for autograph when we have video of him useing his right. doesn't mean he can't use both but i wonder if it has even been mentioned?
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I watched a video with E'casanova (looking for it..) He said that he is the mirror image to MJ. One is left handed and the other right handed.
Do any of you know if MJ was able to use both hands?
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the nose is different , and there's no cleft.
Plus, if he really was the double, do you think he would wear the exact same outfit out in public? Wouldn't that kind of give it away? :?
Regarding the above doubles/impersonators, it's not the same same guy or the same outfit (no military bars, etc.).
But, what is interesting to me is that the two guys in your two sig pictures are not the same guy either! Very close, but nope. :shock:
Well it's two different decades, one is early 80s the other is mid 90s, Michael changed a lot between that time period, so you can't really compare those two photos.
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Here is a photo of a photo double for Michael Jackson :!:
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Nikki Goulart :shock:
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Some doubles/ impersonators can fool you for a second
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQaMjFjk2Vxn2q6-tqZqtJlZuLNADujv4YLcM21IqZqqhFsVQbJEg)
But others can´t
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdIUO-r5_dIyUPsx9lQHPGNdr8coBpjJEogCfa7IWRyCF8ILm6aA)
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the nose is different , and there's no cleft.
Plus, if he really was the double, do you think he would wear the exact same outfit out in public? Wouldn't that kind of give it away? :?
Regarding the above doubles/impersonators, it's not the same same guy or the same outfit (no military bars, etc.).
But, what is interesting to me is that the two guys in your two sig pictures are not the same guy either! Very close, but nope. :shock:
Well it's two different decades, one is early 80s the other is mid 90s, Michael changed a lot between that time period, so you can't really compare those two photos.
Still I would expect the ears and jawline to stay the same.
I still think there are possibly two masters to the brand.
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I hold that opinion 2 Grace.
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I don't think the known impersonators are the real doubles. Some may have appeared somewhere with masks and sunglasses, but there is one real double we probably don't know because he looks a lot like MJ and appears without glasses and masks. There are tiny differences in the ears and the nose and the overall expression, but he is very close. Ears don't change, Mike has round ears, the double has longer and smaller ears. The smile is different too, Mike's mouth corners point down when he smiles, the double's point upwards. The shape of the eyes are different too. But he looks so much like him that I assume that they must be related.
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the nose is different , and there's no cleft.
Plus, if he really was the double, do you think he would wear the exact same outfit out in public? Wouldn't that kind of give it away? :?
Regarding the above doubles/impersonators, it's not the same same guy or the same outfit (no military bars, etc.).
But, what is interesting to me is that the two guys in your two sig pictures are not the same guy either! Very close, but nope. <!-- s:shock: :shock:
Well it's two different decades, one is early 80s the other is mid 90s, Michael changed a lot between that time period, so you can't really compare those two photos.
Still I would expect the ears and jawline to stay the same.
I still think there are possibly two masters to the brand.
Same jaw line from the sides and cheek bones. At 2:17 is clear to me.
All Michael in this video, but, MJ with LMP I have my doubts.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hw1nEYUFIY[/youtube]
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Here is a photo of a photo double for Michael Jackson :!:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=12100)
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
OMG! Who is that?? :o
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Here is a photo of a photo double for Michael Jackson :!:
I assume the guy on our left is the double? Because the other one doesn't look like him at all.
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Here is a photo of a photo double for Michael Jackson :!:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=12100)
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
OMG! Who is that?? :o
His name is Craig Parks. Does anybody know his Email or Facebook? :?:
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Here is a photo of a photo double for Michael Jackson :!:
I assume the guy on our left is the double? Because the other one doesn't look like him at all.
it says that on the pic: craig and michael jackson ,so the double is on the right :? strange isnt it :mrgreen: so no souza hes not the 1 on the left ;) and i agree he doesnt look like michael at all...
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Here is a photo of a photo double for Michael Jackson :!:
I assume the guy on our left is the double? Because the other one doesn't look like him at all.
it says that on the pic: craig and michael jackson ,so the double is on the right :? strange isnt it :mrgreen: so no souza hes not the 1 on the left ;) and i agree he doesnt look like michael at all...
The guy on the right can't be a photo double IMO, he looks nothing like Mike.
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exactly , he doesnt look like michael ,but his name is Graig ??? Can somebody find out info about him?
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Here is a photo of a photo double for Michael Jackson :!:
I assume the guy on our left is the double? Because the other one doesn't look like him at all.
it says that on the pic: craig and michael jackson ,so the double is on the right :? strange isnt it :mrgreen: so no souza hes not the 1 on the left ;) and i agree he doesnt look like michael at all...
The guy on the right can't be a photo double IMO, he looks nothing like Mike.
That's what I thought but maybe he was used for a far distance shot so it looks like Michael Jackson in the music video.
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Here is a photo of a photo double for Michael Jackson :!:
I assume the guy on our left is the double? Because the other one doesn't look like him at all.
it says that on the pic: craig and michael jackson ,so the double is on the right :? strange isnt it :mrgreen: so no souza hes not the 1 on the left ;) and i agree he doesnt look like michael at all...
The guy on the right can't be a photo double IMO, he looks nothing like Mike.
That's what I thought but maybe he was used for a far distance shot so it looks like Michael Jackson in the music video.
With what reason? There are no dangerous or nude shots, just dancing and walking. Why would he need a stand-in for that?
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Here is a photo of a photo double for Michael Jackson :!:
I assume the guy on our left is the double? Because the other one doesn't look like him at all.
it says that on the pic: craig and michael jackson ,so the double is on the right :? strange isnt it :mrgreen: so no souza hes not the 1 on the left ;) and i agree he doesnt look like michael at all...
The guy on the right can't be a photo double IMO, he looks nothing like Mike.
That's what I thought but maybe he was used for a far distance shot so it looks like Michael Jackson in the music video.
With what reason? There are no dangerous or nude shots, just dancing and walking. Why would he need a stand-in for that?
I have no idea, but why would Craig Parks lie about being a Photo Double? :?:
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Here is a photo of a photo double for Michael Jackson :!:
I assume the guy on our left is the double? Because the other one doesn't look like him at all.
it says that on the pic: craig and michael jackson ,so the double is on the right :? strange isnt it :mrgreen: so no souza hes not the 1 on the left ;) and i agree he doesnt look like michael at all...
The guy on the right can't be a photo double IMO, he looks nothing like Mike.
That's what I thought but maybe he was used for a far distance shot so it looks like Michael Jackson in the music video.
With what reason? There are no dangerous or nude shots, just dancing and walking. Why would he need a stand-in for that?
I have no idea, but why would Craig Parks lie about being a Photo Double? :?:
Not saying he is, just asking which of the two he is in the pic. I he is a photo double, I assume he is the one actually looking like MJ.
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Here is a photo of a photo double for Michael Jackson :!:
I assume the guy on our left is the double? Because the other one doesn't look like him at all.
it says that on the pic: craig and michael jackson ,so the double is on the right :? strange isnt it :mrgreen: so no souza hes not the 1 on the left ;) and i agree he doesnt look like michael at all...
The guy on the right can't be a photo double IMO, he looks nothing like Mike.
That's what I thought but maybe he was used for a far distance shot so it looks like Michael Jackson in the music video.
With what reason? There are no dangerous or nude shots, just dancing and walking. Why would he need a stand-in for that?
I have no idea, but why would Craig Parks lie about being a Photo Double? :?:
Not saying he is, just asking which of the two he is in the pic. I he is a photo double, I assume he is the one actually looking like MJ.
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He can't be a photo double, they look nothing alike. What kind of photos would they use him for? Doesn't make sense.
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I found some information on this website on Craig Parks http://articles.latimes.com/1992-03-13/ ... as-vegas/3 (http://articles.latimes.com/1992-03-13/local/me-3678_1_las-vegas/3)
"Craig Parks stood on his toes and gyrated across the stage like the real Michael Jackson."
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTvFygxYDcU[/youtube]
This is Sandy Ortiz
Very close to Michael Jackson :shock:
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OMG, okay. At first I thought you were trying to say the one on the left was the double, I was like :shock: no way! *phew* im okay now :)
The one on the right would not fool me though :? I honestly didn't even notice him :lol:
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This is William Bostick. Does anybody have any contact with him (Facebook or Email)? Here is some information I found on him:
William Bostick has been a Michael Jackson impersonator for 18 years. He is currently performing at Atlantic City's Bally's Park Place as part of the "Legends in Concert" show.
In a recent New York Times article, William Bostick is quoted as saying: "Michael Jackson watched me impersonate him in 1997 in 'Beyond Belief,' a show in Sun City, South Africa. Michael told me that he's seen a lot of Michael Jacksons all over the world, and I was by far the most talented he'd ever seen. He was on his HIStory Tour and he showed his appreciation by flying me to his concert in Johannesburg."
And then I found this :o
Impersonators Joseph Roig, 40 of Brigantine, N.J. and William Bostick of Las Vegas, were convicted of petty harassment and each fined $500 for groping a cocktail waitress. The incident took place Jan 11 at Bally's Park Place Casino Hotel in Atlantic City.The 37-year-old victim testified that the two ganged up on her in a hallway during a rehearsal of the Legends in Concert show in which both defendants appear. A waitress passing by witnessed the scene and called security. The defendants claimed they were just flirting. Judge H. Robert Switzer told them that any more trouble would result in them singing Jailhouse Rock.
But I still want an autograph from William Bostick :D
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Who is the REAL Edward Moss on Facebook?
http://tinylink.in/BWL (http://tinylink.in/BWL)
or
http://tinylink.in/BWM (http://tinylink.in/BWM)
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At times I think that MJ didn´t change since Bad era, that he just used different silicon "masks" to recreate part of his face when he wanted, to hide behind or "be someone else".
Even at the O2 press conference, he looked unfamiliar to some of us leading to question if could be MJ or a double.
When was the last time people saw "MJ" in the streets?
February 2009?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX6zXeOtH7w&feature=related[/youtube]
I have no idea how he looked.
Michael?
(http://http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThyT59Z92R20cpLAhj2sCijX_wB_a0LCLYm6V939PtZ1YNjZWzpQ)
Michael?
(http://http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQY_qnkapebEzrq_QhlbBdJ47FvtR1MOpawJvhKKZ5mvpdeO3V1MA)
Michael?
(http://http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3ROA5yV6zooP878zwe4Fg4dycE25nBn8e-xFtXMT6oG7w73SN)
To me, this is Michael, and i can´t see his eyes.
(http://http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTH-eE-CG41O_xdLc_taKnCr5EYjMDYRqJtbqXalzs6QxtQfLvhmw)
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I can't find this Michael Jackson Impersonator's name. Please help me.
;)
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Michael?
Yes.
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThyT59Z92R20cpLAhj2sCijX_wB_a0LCLYm6V939PtZ1YNjZWzpQ)
Michael?
Hmm...I must check the pictures from that day.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQY_qnkapebEzrq_QhlbBdJ47FvtR1MOpawJvhKKZ5mvpdeO3V1MA)
Michael?
No.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3ROA5yV6zooP878zwe4Fg4dycE25nBn8e-xFtXMT6oG7w73SN)
To me, this is Michael, and i can´t see his eyes.
Yes this is Michael.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTH-eE-CG41O_xdLc_taKnCr5EYjMDYRqJtbqXalzs6QxtQfLvhmw)
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEThtyXqKAA[/youtube]
WOW!!!!! :shock:
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEThtyXqKAA[/youtube]
WOW!!!!! :shock:
:o :shock: :o :shock:
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEThtyXqKAA[/youtube]
WOW!!!!! :shock:
:o :shock: :o :shock:
Seriously?? Not even close IMO...
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No way Jose!
(http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/129/020b2cef01fe4c8c91d3c09afd3aefcd/l.jpg)
http://www.myspace.com/relivethethrille ... s/5170977# (http://www.myspace.com/relivethethriller/photos/5170977#){%22ImageId%22%3A5170977}
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But the eyes looks a bit like Michaels.
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No way Jose!
(http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/129/020b2cef01fe4c8c91d3c09afd3aefcd/l.jpg)
http://www.myspace.com/relivethethrille ... s/5170977# (http://www.myspace.com/relivethethriller/photos/5170977#){%22ImageId%22%3A5170977}
A lot of Michael Jackson Impersonators have bad makeup days. Not ever photo is going to look perfect. :D
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No way Jose!
(http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/129/020b2cef01fe4c8c91d3c09afd3aefcd/l.jpg)
http://www.myspace.com/relivethethrille ... s/5170977# (http://www.myspace.com/relivethethriller/photos/5170977#){%22ImageId%22%3A5170977}
Omg how scary! :shock:
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No way Jose!
(http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/129/020b2cef01fe4c8c91d3c09afd3aefcd/l.jpg)
http://www.myspace.com/relivethethrille ... s/5170977# (http://www.myspace.com/relivethethriller/photos/5170977#){%22ImageId%22%3A5170977}
Omg how scary! :shock:
That doesn't look like make-up....surgery my opinion....bleahhhhh :lol: and some call that a good impersonator? :o
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No way Jose!
(http://http://a4.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/129/020b2cef01fe4c8c91d3c09afd3aefcd/l.jpg)
http://www.myspace.com/relivethethrille ... s/5170977# (http://www.myspace.com/relivethethriller/photos/5170977#)
Omg how scary! :shock:
That doesn't look like make-up....surgery my opinion....bleahhhhh :lol: and some call that a good impersonator? :o
Imagine the "not so good" or the "bad" categories. 8-)
And the world called Mike "weird"?
What abt these dudes? :)
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On Michael the looks fits perfect and looks natural. To me is a little scary to see people who has operated their faces to look as Michael.
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On Michael the looks fits perfect and looks natural. To me is a little scary to see people who has operated their faces to look as Michael.
True [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz_D-greh8Q&feature=related[/youtube]
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I found these two photographs online, but who is this? What is his name? confused/
Please Reply bow/
Thanks,
ilovemj123
moonwalk_/
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There are definately doubles in this is it no doubt about it, but who are these doubles any ideas?
But even though we can point out the differences in the pics how can we tell which is which???
I am going to watch this is it and look for the parts where those pics were from. Sure there are people that can look like mj but no one will ever come close to the amazing and electrifying talent that is Michael Jackson!!!
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hey guys i ran into this really weird song called "michael jackson". i dont get what it's about, but the lookalike is amazing!
he comes out 3 minutes into the song
here's the link..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUxLlXikwZU
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amazing how this double looks like Michael :o
Who is he suspicious// suspicious// suspicious//?
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he's a very good double of MJ.
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amazing how this double looks like Michael :o
Who is he suspicious// suspicious// suspicious//?
it's michael kiss. he has pictures of this show on his facebook page
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How is the name of this double? is quite similar, at least from afar.
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his official page I think:
http://www.michaelkiss.com/
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he's a very good double of MJ.
I don't think he looks enough like him. This guy looks like Navi, E'Casanova & every other impersonator to me, and they all don't look/talk/act/sing like Michael enough to where I would be convinced it was him. :?
See, in the video you can really tell hes not Michael. :lol:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc__3nsfxwA[/youtube]
P.S. What does this song even mean? suspicious//
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he's a very good double of MJ.
I don't think he looks enough like him. This guy looks like Navi, E'Casanova & every other impersonator to me, and they all don't look/talk/act/sing like Michael enough to where I would be convinced it was him. :?
P.S. What does this song even mean? suspicious//
Nobody can look exactly like him and has his moves like him.
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he's a very good double of MJ.
I don't think he looks enough like him. This guy looks like Navi, E'Casanova & every other impersonator to me, and they all don't look/talk/act/sing like Michael enough to where I would be convinced it was him. :?
P.S. What does this song even mean? suspicious//
Nobody can look exactly like him and has his moves like him.
Well, if Michael has used doubles, then there has to be some that looks enough like him.
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he's a very good double of MJ.
I don't think he looks enough like him. This guy looks like Navi, E'Casanova & every other impersonator to me, and they all don't look/talk/act/sing like Michael enough to where I would be convinced it was him. :?
P.S. What does this song even mean? suspicious//
Nobody can look exactly like him and has his moves like him.
Well, if Michael has used doubles, then there has to be some that looks enough like him.
Wylie Draper came closest in my opinion. And his whole attitude and moves were exactly Michael. The circumstances surrounding his death keep intrigueging me, especially the date of his death.
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he's a very good double of MJ.
I don't think he looks enough like him. This guy looks like Navi, E'Casanova & every other impersonator to me, and they all don't look/talk/act/sing like Michael enough to where I would be convinced it was him. :?
See, in the video you can really tell hes not Michael. :lol:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc__3nsfxwA[/youtube]
P.S. What does this song even mean? suspicious//
um do you not see that it's a totally different impersonator in the music video?
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Souza, I cant see the difference in this thread and the one I posted about the 02 Michael. Yes it has been discussed heaps, but so have a million other subjects. I came across this u tube video, and thought it would prove that Michael really was there on stage that day. Sorry for joining in and sharing something I feel very passionate about.
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annie, the O2 announcement has it's own section in the index, with dozens of threads! Try this for starters:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=17429.0
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Thank you Curls, I posted a u tube vid on another section and Souza locked it cause she says it has been spoken about enough. I know it has been done to death so to speak, but thought it was worth showing. I wont worry about it anymore.
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he's a very good double of MJ.
I don't think he looks enough like him. This guy looks like Navi, E'Casanova & every other impersonator to me, and they all don't look/talk/act/sing like Michael enough to where I would be convinced it was him. :?
P.S. What does this song even mean? suspicious//
Nobody can look exactly like him and has his moves like him.
Well, if Michael has used doubles, then there has to be some that looks enough like him.
Wylie Draper came closest in my opinion. And his whole attitude and moves were exactly Michael. The circumstances surrounding his death keep intrigueging me, especially the date of his death.
Me too! ;)
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he's a very good double of MJ.
I don't think he looks enough like him. This guy looks like Navi, E'Casanova & every other impersonator to me, and they all don't look/talk/act/sing like Michael enough to where I would be convinced it was him. :?
P.S. What does this song even mean? suspicious//
Nobody can look exactly like him and has his moves like him.
Well, if Michael has used doubles, then there has to be some that looks enough like him.
Wylie Draper came closest in my opinion. And his whole attitude and moves were exactly Michael. The circumstances surrounding his death keep intrigueging me, especially the date of his death.
Me too! ;)
I agree he looks like Michael.. but there's still some pretty distinct differences. Like his nose, his lips, his eyes are all quite different. There has to be some people that we don't know about... if it's true that he's used doubles.
And IMO, im mostly supsicious of him using doubles in the 90s and 00s, so Wylie doesn't fit that criteria :?
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he's a very good double of MJ.
I don't think he looks enough like him. This guy looks like Navi, E'Casanova & every other impersonator to me, and they all don't look/talk/act/sing like Michael enough to where I would be convinced it was him. :?
P.S. What does this song even mean? suspicious//
Nobody can look exactly like him and has his moves like him.
Well, if Michael has used doubles, then there has to be some that looks enough like him.
Wylie Draper came closest in my opinion. And his whole attitude and moves were exactly Michael. The circumstances surrounding his death keep intrigueging me, especially the date of his death.
Me too! ;)
I agree he looks like Michael.. but there's still some pretty distinct differences. Like his nose, his lips, his eyes are all quite different. There has to be some people that we don't know about... if it's true that he's used doubles.
And IMO, im mostly supsicious of him using doubles in the 90s and 00s, so Wylie doesn't fit that criteria :?
I was thinking that maybe he had one or two "special" doubles who had surgery to be really like him, and who trained in dance and song.. although lip sych could be used.. they would be kept away fromt he public and may have been there for years? Just another angle..I really don't know! moonwalk_/
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Wylie Draper as a "double" for movies or far distance look passess ok, but never as a real life double, not even going under surgery. His jaw is more prominent than Michaels.
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Guys, not sure if you caught it, but I definitely saw what appeared to be Michael in the Parade of Nations in the Olympics opening ceremonies. The thing is- he was with the Ukrainian athletes! This goes hand-in-hand with the Ukrainian double theory from earlier. Definitely worth investigating IMO :th_bravo:
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Guys, not sure if you caught it, but I definitely saw what appeared to be Michael in the Parade of Nations in the Olympics opening ceremonies. The thing is- he was with the Ukrainian athletes! This goes hand-in-hand with the Ukrainian double theory from earlier. Definitely worth investigating IMO :th_bravo:
Sure! He just walked amongst all those thousands of people and no one noticed! :icon_e_confused: :computer-losy-smiley:
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Guys, not sure if you caught it, but I definitely saw what appeared to be Michael in the Parade of Nations in the Olympics opening ceremonies. The thing is- he was with the Ukrainian athletes! This goes hand-in-hand with the Ukrainian double theory from earlier. Definitely worth investigating IMO :th_bravo:
Sure! He just walked amongst all those thousands of people and no one noticed! :icon_e_confused: :computer-losy-smiley:
And by "appeared to be Michael", are you saying that he was out in public without disguise?