Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Investigation => After June 25, 2009 => The Memorial => Topic started by: mjboogie on December 03, 2009, 11:08:44 AM

Title: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: mjboogie on December 03, 2009, 11:08:44 AM
Hi. DId anyone (besides me) notice how Lionel was acting on stage during the memorial? When everyone was on stage at the end singing Heal the World and Lionel looked up , he had a very sour look on his face! His arms were folded!! OMG! He looked ticked off ! Ok Jackie was standing next to him and I forget which other Jackson brother. He was kinda rolling his eyes!!! What do u guys think about Lionel during the Memorial??? Is it a clue??? What was the significance of him and MJ's relationship? Can anyone research this a bit, and upload what you find. U know, like interviews Lionel has given since June 25th maybe we might find something right? I saw one interview with him and he says "MJ was not the person people think he was? " maybe I am wrong but I couldv'e have sworn I viewed this somewhere on T.V. LEt's go team!!! ;)
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: tinker_bell on December 03, 2009, 11:42:49 AM
I've seen one short interview of his prior to June 25. He's speaking of MJ's coming tour and seems very positive. Then i found this:

[youtube:2rtpl8qx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm9iXvuMsOk&feature=related[/youtube:2rtpl8qx]

from 0:38

... he probably was just p*ssed with paparazzi, but gave me a bad feeling...
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: Whitesocks on December 03, 2009, 01:27:48 PM
seems to me he doesnt want to talk about Michael at all.

this song from Lionel was released on july 27 2008
Wonderful wonderful song !! and HOW much coincidence
He sings it with one of our Dutch greates zingers Trrijntje Oosterhuis.


[youtube:2j9uj7uo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8g46sywajs[/youtube:2j9uj7uo]
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: mjboogie on December 04, 2009, 03:25:15 PM
OK I need someone to upload the memorial at the part where Lionel is clearly agitated he glances up rolls his eyes arms folded (i think) he kinda shakes his head. Is this grief, maybe he just angry over MJ's death or is it something more to it. You guys have got to see this. We need to dig more!!!! more on Lionel because I feel there is a reason for his behavior on stage at the end of memorial!! More interviews surley there is more. :o
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: mumof3 on December 04, 2009, 03:31:40 PM
this sounds interesting would like to see the part you are talking about as i did not see all of it in the uk it cut off as it ran over time.
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: mjboogie on December 04, 2009, 03:47:14 PM
ok Im telling u guys if you see Lionel 's behavior on stage while everyone was singing heal the world you will say "WTF? is wrong with him! he seemed pissed!! I forget who uploaded the video from the memorial at the part where they were on stage singing heal the world!!!! Someone please.... help.  Then we can try to link Lionel's behavior,, u know? figure it out. :shock:
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: tinker_bell on December 04, 2009, 04:11:24 PM
Here it is:

[youtube:ok0twkhg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-ToznKNe6U[/youtube:ok0twkhg]

starts on 4:27-ish
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: joyaboya on December 04, 2009, 04:12:17 PM
here is the link of the video...it start's after 6 minuts... but my opinion is different, i do not think that lionel acts strange...but look for yourselve...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-ToznKNe6U&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-ToznKNe6U&NR=1)
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: DontBelieveTheHype on December 04, 2009, 04:20:33 PM
I dont know what to make of it. His family seemed happy, his former managers seemed unaffected and all the celebrities acted like it was an award show and nothing else. Its a mixture of bad vibes. And Paris fake tears did not help either.

This has nothing to do with Lionel but I think Marlon cried because he was emotional FOR Michael, that they even had to arrange a fake memorial. Even I would cry even if I knew it was a hoax. I think Marlons tears were real, but for very different reasons than we were supposed to believe.

I noticed that alot of family members kept staring up while being on stage, was there a screen above them so they were watching themselves? I think maybe Lionel was emotional, wanted to cry but hid his emotions or he was pissed over something. I saw someone give him a tap on the shoulder.
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on December 04, 2009, 04:31:10 PM
Why was paris all smiles if her Dad was lying in coffin infront of her? Too many smiling faces!!
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: MJSmile4Us on December 04, 2009, 04:50:01 PM
I remember watching ET shortly after June 25th where ET showed a brief segment of the interview they had with Rionel Ritchie prior to Michael's 'death'. there, Ritchie said that Michael told him he [MJ] was nervous about the O2 tour and Ritchie said that it was expected as Mikey hasn't toured for a long time. also  Lionel seemed very upbeat and said nothing bad about MIchael and finished the interview by saying he wished he could do more duets with Mike as 'Heal The World was the only one they did 2gether
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: SPAKKLE29FUL on December 04, 2009, 05:34:38 PM
i no what pissed off looks like and lionel looks pissed off,and i dont think it had anything to do with jermaine being near him,
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: letstalkagain on December 04, 2009, 06:16:06 PM
I agree, I saw that too, and I had thought I was the only one.  He was almost ready to blow up from anger.
The only thing i thought was at the memorial they gave credit for we are the world only writer as Michael.
Lionel Ritchie and Michael both wrote the song together, and Lionel at the memorial was not acknowledged as having any part in the writing of the song.
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: Lavinia on December 04, 2009, 06:32:50 PM
Well, he doesn't looked pissed of to me; he even smiles at some point. But I see the happy kids' faces  :?
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: TheKingWillReturn on December 04, 2009, 07:23:26 PM
To me it seemed like one big party to the family.
The only one who looked totally natural to me, who's look was like wth is going on? was Blanket!!
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: neverlandprincess on December 04, 2009, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: "letstalkagain"
I agree, I saw that too, and I had thought I was the only one.  He was almost ready to blow up from anger.
The only thing i thought was at the memorial they gave credit for we are the world only writer as Michael.
Lionel Ritchie and Michael both wrote the song together, and Lionel at the memorial was not acknowledged as having any part in the writing of the song.

I'm sorry-but that would just be the dumbest thing to me-for one EVERYONE knows Ritchie and Michael wrote it together and if any new fans don't they will find out when they read anything about Michaels music or look up WATW-I so hope that is not what its about.
 I saw the small interview with him before MJs comeback and he was looking forward to him coming back-very positive but said that it had been so long and he knew Michael would fel the pressure just from being nervous..basically.
 I think it was in Maurras last vid (MJforeverandaDay) where she combined two short vids of him after June 25th..one he is very happy looking,assuring everyone that "the kids would be fine" and the next was like a few seconds long where they ask if he thinks there was foul play-I think someone posted it above me lol-he is so short and non chalant "no I think it was jsut a sad day you know" (did I get it right?) that just is sooooo weird. Somethin aint right -Lionel Ritchie have a good working history-I don't know how it has been recently..as far as I know there was no falling out like with McCartney. Is Michael not one of Ritchies kids godfather?
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: Loes on December 04, 2009, 07:40:29 PM
I noticed Prince again, chewing his gum.
Never understood why Prince looked so bored all the time ...  :roll:

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2ebaamu.jpg)
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: Whitesocks on December 05, 2009, 04:21:41 AM
I noticed Lionel and he looked quit bored to me. Maybe because he may not sing his part in the original song.

More i think is strange that Paris and kenny (and the rest) seems very happy to me.

I also noticed all the simbols wich came through during the song We are the world...
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: DontBelieveTheHype on December 05, 2009, 04:40:56 AM
Haha, this thought just crossed my mind but what if someone just wispered to him:

''Hey Lionel.. dont get pissed now OK.. but.. this is a hoax... Mike is not really dead.. So.. play along OK?''

 :lol:
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: badloving on December 05, 2009, 05:13:01 AM
the more i watch the memorial the more i think this has to be a hoax, it has to be! all those smiling faces, the children smiling and chewing gum, the family hiding under the sun glasses, no no no, this is not normal...i cried my eyes off watching that memorial on TV and i admire MJ, i love him although i never met him...but they knew him, some of them their entire life, he was their family, their friend, all those people on stage...they can't be so peacefull at such a short time after an unexpected death...and they look happy...i cannot believe it...just the thought of never seing him around, never talking to him again...i think he did it for a very good reason and they know it!!!
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: SPAKKLE29FUL on December 05, 2009, 07:21:53 AM
maybe lionel is not comfortable with the hoax,it is a huge thing :?:
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: steph on December 05, 2009, 02:18:48 PM
I did notice a few months ago Lionel shaking his head while on stage but i can`t find it now.I thought it looked strange at the time,maybe he got a view of blondie or hatman!
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: angel on December 06, 2009, 08:00:43 AM
This brought back memories for me.  I remember at the time of the memorial I was barely functioning in my grief and I couldn't get out of my mind the images of Joe and Katherine's faces, his nonchalant remarks and the video of her shopping and gum chewing in Target.  I remember thinking how incredibly consumed with grief I am, in such a deep depression I can't eat or sleep, never even met Michael or saw a concert, yet had never cried this much in my life over anyone, and I couldn't understand the mild nonreactions from his own family members.
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: DontBelieveTheHype on December 06, 2009, 08:15:40 AM
Quote from: "angel"
This brought back memories for me.  I remember at the time of the memorial I was barely functioning in my grief and I couldn't get out of my mind the images of Joe and Katherine's faces, his nonchalant remarks and the video of her shopping and gum chewing in Target.  I remember thinking how incredibly consumed with grief I am, in such a deep depression I can't eat or sleep, never even met Michael or saw a concert, yet had never cried this much in my life over anyone, and I couldn't understand the mild nonreactions from his own family members.

Amen. When Michael ''died'' the world stood still and my world came crashing down on me. I dont think Ive ever been this stricken with grief and sadness and depression, I couldnt even see my TV screen from all the crying and I even cried so hard I was screaming. On top of that, I was using a towel and not paper tissues to wipe off all the snot and tears. I didnt eat and sleep properly for weeks and I was put on perscription sleeping meds to get some rest. Fans all over the world committed suicide one after one. And the family? Not even ONE TEAR. Not one genuine remark of saddness or sorrow. They're up promoting themselves, laughing, smiling, shopping... Its hard to understand. I will say its because they know he is alive, but if he is not, those people have no feelings whatsoever. At first I thought they're just in shock, thats why they cant show their sadness. But come on, a memorial or funeral can make anyone cry, Ive cried at memorials when not even knowing the deceased in person!
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: badloving on December 06, 2009, 08:40:52 AM
Quote from: "DontBelieveTheHype"
Quote from: "angel"
This brought back memories for me.  I remember at the time of the memorial I was barely functioning in my grief and I couldn't get out of my mind the images of Joe and Katherine's faces, his nonchalant remarks and the video of her shopping and gum chewing in Target.  I remember thinking how incredibly consumed with grief I am, in such a deep depression I can't eat or sleep, never even met Michael or saw a concert, yet had never cried this much in my life over anyone, and I couldn't understand the mild nonreactions from his own family members.

Amen. When Michael ''died'' the world stood still and my world came crashing down on me. I dont think Ive ever been this stricken with grief and sadness and depression, I couldnt even see my TV screen from all the crying and I even cried so hard I was screaming. On top of that, I was using a towel and not paper tissues to wipe off all the snot and tears. I didnt eat and sleep properly for weeks and I was put on perscription sleeping meds to get some rest. Fans all over the world committed suicide one after one. And the family? Not even ONE TEAR. Not one genuine remark of saddness or sorrow. They're up promoting themselves, laughing, smiling, shopping... Its hard to understand. I will say its because they know he is alive, but if he is not, those people have no feelings whatsoever. At first I thought they're just in shock, thats why they cant show their sadness. But come on, a memorial or funeral can make anyone cry, Ive cried at memorials when not even knowing the deceased in person!

yap!!!!
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: MJFOREVER on December 06, 2009, 02:13:53 PM
Quote from: "tinker_bell"
Here it is:

[youtube:s7y57pqx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-ToznKNe6U[/youtube:s7y57pqx]

starts on 4:27-ish



SSSSSSHHHHHHHHHTTTTT this video makes me cry and feel sad again :(  I dont understand nothing about the JACKSON family  dammit :|
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: foralltime on December 06, 2009, 07:29:30 PM
Quote from: "tinker_bell"
Here it is:

[youtube:107ve254]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-ToznKNe6U[/youtube:107ve254]

starts on 4:27-ish

Can't make much of Lionel,but look at the the video around 3:00 what is Latoya saying to Paris ??? And what are they looking at and even laughin about. :?
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: tinker_bell on December 06, 2009, 08:50:11 PM
I can't make any sense of it either. For a long period of time i was convincing myself that grief is something so personal and was reluctant to even try judging someone for not grieving hard enough. But my brain just couldn't process the images of devastated fans and neutral family members in the same frame... and kids... I lost my father at the age of 19 and i still recall that whole year as a nightmare...

Today i've seen an interview with Quincy Jones on some Czech TV channel (my aunt had to translate for me). The interview was taken on the next day following the Memorial. Quincy didn't attend it and stayed for the cinema festival in Czech Republic. The interview is about 1 hour long and he only speaks of MJ for probably 15 minutes at max somewhere closer to the end. The rest is just all about him and his incredible career (which is a fact, the man is a living legend). But for Christ's sake he was almost like a father to MJ, maybe even closer than Joe was at a time... He was smily and everything.... woah.. i think i will never understand. My aunt was in shock just like me.
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: badloving on December 07, 2009, 10:13:26 AM
Quote from: "tinker_bell"
I can't make any sense of it either. For a long period of time i was convincing myself that grief is something so personal and was reluctant to even try judging someone for not grieving hard enough. But my brain just couldn't process the images of devastated fans and neutral family members in the same frame... and kids... I lost my father at the age of 19 and i still recall that whole year as a nightmare...

Today i've seen an interview with Quincy Jones on some Czech TV channel (my aunt had to translate for me). The interview was taken on the next day following the Memorial. Quincy didn't attend it and stayed for the cinema festival in Czech Republic. The interview is about 1 hour long and he only speaks of MJ for probably 15 minutes at max somewhere closer to the end. The rest is just all about him and his incredible career (which is a fact, the man is a living legend). But for Christ's sake he was almost like a father to MJ, maybe even closer than Joe was at a time... He was smily and everything.... woah.. i think i will never understand. My aunt was in shock just like me.


wow...Quincy too?? :o HOAX
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: Whitesocks on December 08, 2009, 07:54:04 AM
Yeah Lionel is just pissed because Michael dindn't allowed him to start opening the song (just as in the original) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmYlCrECj2Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmYlCrECj2Q)
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: Mish1981 on December 08, 2009, 08:22:55 AM
Quote from: "Oetoort"
Yeah Lionel is just pissed because Michael dindn't allowed him to start opening the song (just as in the original) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmYlCrECj2Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmYlCrECj2Q)


Part of me has to agree with you, and for some odd reason I remember it being said on one of the many channels I watched that morning before the memorial that Lionel was going to be singing his part in that song. For a second I thought, ok maybe that's why he's mad he didn't get to sing his part. Then I came back to reality and the truth is, while there were some wonderful entertainers on that stage IT WASN'T ABOUT THEM! Hopefully if Lionel was mad about that, he's gotten over it and has realized that.  Just my thought of course. I watched the little clip further up in this thread and I have to say, on that day I was at my weakest point, shedding tears that I didn't know I had bottled up inside of me. Now watching the video, I didn't tear up once! The songs always get to me, that is nothing new, but watching their expressions and everything it seems more of a show the more I watch it.

Just my thought.
Title: Re: Lionel Ritchie
Post by: Whitesocks on December 08, 2009, 10:38:47 AM
Yes, i have the same thoughts.

This complete memorial is bothering me from the first day i saw it.

I don't know if anyone is very handy with computers, but i like to have some things checked. Like it has mentioned before..the coffin would be too small for MJ.

WE have to check hight Michael comparing to a familymember with the length of the coffin...
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