Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators

Hoax Theories => Michael's Reasons to hoax his death => Topic started by: GirlSaturday on March 01, 2010, 10:23:20 PM

Title: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: GirlSaturday on March 01, 2010, 10:23:20 PM
What if…??????? ;)

The hoax was created for publicity purposes only. How would you honestly react if MJ  and those around him did it simply to promote his career?

With this question, it might  be easy to get offtopic and provide answers discussing why or why not this reason is feasible. That is why I’d like to stress that the  question is not about why he would resort to doing this  or how media  would react or how the general public would react or what role XYZ people would play in it all.  

 I’m turning to hoax forum members for their  honest response. The question is strictly asked to gauge how you would  react if publicity  indeed were revealed as the sole reason for pulling the hoax.  Remember…anything is possible.  

I'll await your replies before sharing mine. It might surprise you. BAM...
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: NYMoonwalker on March 01, 2010, 10:35:11 PM
To say that I'd be surprised is an understatement lol. I'd be completely & utterly shocked. In my mind, that is the last thing I would expect of him. But in the end, I just want him back. I would be happy. More than happy  :D
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: PinkTopaz on March 02, 2010, 12:46:35 AM
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
What if…??????? ;)

The hoax was created for publicity purposes only. How would you honestly react if MJ  and those around him did it simply to promote his career?

With this question, it might  be easy to get offtopic and provide answers discussing why or why not this reason is feasible. That is why I’d like to stress that the  question is not about why he would resort to doing this  or how media  would react or how the general public would react or what role XYZ people would play in it all.  

 I’m turning to hoax forum members for their  honest response. The question is strictly asked to gauge how you would  react if publicity  indeed were revealed as the sole reason for pulling the hoax.  Remember…anything is possible.  

I'll await your replies before sharing mine. It might surprise you. BAM...
Oh. My. Gosh. Today, just today, not any time before, I was watching the Tyra Banks talkshow. She always does "social experiments" (like going out in a super-fat suit to see how peeps on the street treat her), and I thought, "What if the hoax is nothing more than Michael conducting a social experiment, to see how peeps react?"

I know that's not exactly what you've got in mind here, but it's so similar, especially because then I thought "It's so simple and that's what makes it such an unexpected reason, yet everyone down at the hoax board would lynch me for 'trivializing this important hoax'  What if I go on later and someone else has a thread about this?"

I swear, I really do, that I thought these things at 4 p.m. Pacific U.S.A time today!!! And look! Well, GS, as you might've guessed by now, I wouldn't give a frog's (I love frogs) stinkin' butt if that's why he did it- I wouldn't care AT ALL. In fact, I'd be very glad it was just that, very glad indeed, and I'd be even happier to see his face!
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: miss j on March 02, 2010, 12:56:24 AM
i'll be honestly happy that i will have the second chance to really appreciate him. i've been neglecting him (although i wouldn't resist to hear his songs) because i forgot the fact that he won't be here forever, that i would always have him. his death has taught me to appreciate the people i love, while i still have them. i don't mind whatever reasons of why he has to pull this hoax, but it is always great to be given a second chance.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: GirlInTheMirror on March 02, 2010, 12:59:12 AM
I thought about this possibility. I mean, of course this is something that could have happened. but then again..if this came out, those who participated would look pretty...well...publicity loving, let´s say it like this. so...not sure,..curious to hear your thoughts :)
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: badkolo on March 02, 2010, 01:00:50 AM
very possible, this could be an elaborate publicity stunt
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: AnnieIsNotOK on March 02, 2010, 01:09:19 AM
Very possible!
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Im_convincedmjalive on March 02, 2010, 03:00:50 AM
:geek:

First I would like to start off by saying I have not made a public introduction of myself on this forum. So many of you who have been participating in this forum and hoax longer than I have seem to have gotten to know each other and have built a rapore on this wonderful adventure.
And of course since you don't know me and my thoughts most of my info seems to get overlooked by many.

I see that you ALL seem to be forgetting the fact that MJ stated very clearly in his TII movie that this was an adventure for ALL of us. He wanted to take us places we've never been before and show us things we've never seen or experienced.

And it was stated very clearly this was ALL for L.O.V.E.

This is coming from a man who has given everything of himself for his fans and many other people throughout his entire life. It always is done from his heart.

He has given and given and continues to give unconditionally without asking of anything from any of his fans but, to trust in him.

MJ never needed to ever do a publicity stunt persay to boost his image or his career. His talents alone do that ALL by themselves. The man is a phenom with his singing and dancing abilities. He is an absolute genius. This is another part of him and his genius to get people interactively participating in a huge creative demonstration.

This demonstration has many facets to it beyond the hoax itself. There are many serious issues that MJ has been tapping the world on the shoulder about for years in his lyrics.

No one heard him when he sang them on stage or when they heard his music on the jukebox. You only heard an image of who you thought MJ was.

This was something he absolutely needed to do to shock the shit out of people and wake them up to more than just his music.

There are very serious issues happening in our world and if you continue to overlook it you will be taken way out of your comfort level more than just this hoax has done.

I suggest you seriously start paying attention to the issues presented during this hoax and learn what is going on before it is to late. Stop worrying about the why of the hoax and educate yourself.

MJ has exposed some very dangerous things while doing this hoax, things that put his life in danger. Do you honestly think MJ would sacrifice his LIFE if it wasn't a serious issue for the world to WAKE UP to what is going on around us being done by our GOVTS.?

Alot of my post go unread or responded to because it appears that many of you would rather continue to be in the dark and denial. This is a serious thing here not just a hoax or some publicity stunt for MJ's selfish reasons or a study group experience.

There is elements of a study being done for sure  but, we ALL need to play a role in it and REALLY STUDY the issues being presented that maybe a little uncomfortable to think about.

Now I do not post much and when I do it is usually on the lines of important things needing to be addressed. I enjoy the adventure but, I enjoy knowledge way more than petty threads about nonsense theories.

Peace
 :ugeek:
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: LavdHim on March 02, 2010, 03:17:47 AM
if it's really his reason .. as long as michael is happy, I don't mind about that ..  :)
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: GirlSaturday on March 02, 2010, 04:22:45 AM
I asked the  question to gain a better understanding of whether there are any conditions  placed on how members believe in the hoax. Is the hoax only   believable  if it is for a deep and meaningful purpose but less believable  if it is for something  such as publicity?  Sometimes things may be much simpler than  we think them to be.

 Personally I wouldn’t be mad at MJ if publicity were the reason. You sometimes have to do what you have to do.   Face it, the entertainment industry is tough and competitive. It’s one thing to reach the top yet another to consistently stay there.  MJ always raised the  bar not necessarily to compete with others but to compete with himself.

By MJ’s standards, his last recordings did not do well. Where has his fan base gone? Why didn't  they buy his music at the same levels as they did with Thriller? Yes Thriller  was his “Mona Lisa” masterpiece and some say that lightening seldom strikes twice. However each album release after Thriller showed lower and lower  sales numbers. For any random musician that would have been okay. For MJ, that drop-off in record sales was  unacceptable. Perfectionists don’t handle mediocrity too well.

I don’t know if publicity  is the reason for the hoax or not. For every reason that is given as to why this could never happen there are 5 others to demonstrate that this could have happened. It would be of no surprise to me if the world’s greatest performer  pulled off the world’s greatest  publicity stunt by using his greatest asset…himself.

Thanks for your replies.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: lilith on March 02, 2010, 04:42:22 AM
I want him back! Right now I becoming sad again and I am so so so scared that he could be dead. I don't let the idea sink in because I cannot handle it - but there is a sadness.

I want him back! I love him! He might decide things I don't understand fully, but no matter what, I know enough of him, to love him - whatever. I try not to judge the things about him I do not understand and just appreciate who he is.

I love him and I want him back!!! Please Michael come back!!!
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Tina K. on March 02, 2010, 04:50:33 AM
I really dont care why he did it, I just need to know, that he's allright. That will be enough for me.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: *Mo* on March 02, 2010, 11:17:52 AM
I got a bit confused when I read your post GirlSaturday...  When I saw the title of the thread I thought it would be about:

"What if Mike is dead, and all the persons who have been dropping clues and made slip ups over the past months only wanted to imply that Mike hoaxed his death while the opposite is the case, for i.e. financial gain".

Now to your question What if the hoax was created for publicity purposes only: Although I most certainly don't think that this is the reason, I would be perfectly fine with it.  I have learned so much since June 25th, and there's no one who can take that away from me.  With this newly gained knowledge I am able to face life with a much clearer view and act upon it.  My children will gain from what I have learned, their future will benefit from it.  IF, and I saw IF, it turns out to be a publicity stunt I will still be forever grateful for what Mike taught me.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Chamone on March 02, 2010, 11:32:22 AM
Too many things smell fishy for this all just to be a publicity stunt. Ofcourse, I don't KNOW, I'm just guessing, but to me it doesn't seem like something MJ would do. He would have know how many people would be upset and genuinly hurt by his 'death'.

I seriously think his life was in danger, real danger, and that is why he had to fake his death. This is a lot of work, too much work for just a social experiment.

But who knows for sure?
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Truth_or_Dare on March 02, 2010, 12:03:06 PM
I think it could be both for publicity and for L.O.V.E. and spreading his message. And probably even more than that. It doesn't have to be for just one reason.
I don;t underestimate the importance of the reason behind this but I think publicity was a part of it, a necessary part. MJ hadn't been in the public eye for a very long time and when he did make headlines it was for all the wrong reasons. At least in the last 10 years.  And let's face it, to get his message out there he first needed our attention. And not just the fans attention, but the entire world's attention. And that is exact;y what he got. His message was heard by everyone, he got more fans, and people who weren;t so sure about his innocence in the past, are now and are also looking at the better side of him.
So yes I think publicity was the first necessary step in this.
IF it was just that I think I would understand from the artists point of view. Like GS said the entertainment business is tough and for someone like MJ the work is twice as hard. But I must admit I would be also very disappointed in him...probably by my own "mistake" of thinking too greatly of his soul. BUt to mess with people's emotions to such a degree just for fame and money is low. And it wouldn't make him any better than the people's he's been fighting against.
But as I said before, I don't think it was JUST about publicity  ;)
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: somekindofsign on March 02, 2010, 12:27:41 PM
The hoax perfetly can be a hoax... that´s always a possibility...
There´s even a possibility of the hoax being a hoax of the NWO messing with us and misleading us from important things happening (I mean beyond our awakeness).
Really winding, but still possible.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 02, 2010, 12:55:41 PM
That was the first thing I thought back in late June/July. As much as I don't believe that is the (only) reason today, I wouldn't care if it was. Whatever his reasons are, this hoax is brilliant and I will take off my hat for him and make a deep bow...
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: karen-ishealive on March 02, 2010, 01:12:59 PM
I love your post Girl Saturday and to be honest i've always thought this was MJ's reason. Since December 2008 it's been a rollercoaster MJ wise, MJ dies from a drug over dose then we're told no this was a hoax, then Ian Halperin says he has 6 months to live and then MJ announcing he was doing a comeback like no other performer with 50 shows and then 6 months after Ian Halperin announed MJ was dying guess what MJ "dies" which I find way too convienent. MJ never did anything average ever! and you're right he is a perfectionist and average just will not do.
MJ also liked to play games with the media, the oxygen chamber story, elephant man bones, MJ seen out in a wheel chair he played with the media and was a man of mystery. MJ knew mystery would give him a lasting career, the man isn't stupid he's a genius and knows how to keep himself in the news. Just like what's happening since June 25th, he's more in the news now than he has in past 5 years.
I personally could never imagine MJ doing an average comeback like alot of stars have done in the past 5 years.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: sbrowne on March 02, 2010, 06:42:37 PM
Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"
:geek:  I totally agree with you, people need to step away from the hoax and start looking around, they need to start looking at what is infront of them, step out of the box and see the truth. I personally stepped away from the hoax not totally because there is so much to learn yet but just a little to see what is going on. And I believe that's what people should now. Let Michael take us through what he wants to show us. So far he had shown me a lot. And I am spreading the word LOVE..
I just wish more people would start listening. But I am not giving up. I feel that Michael needs us to do this to help him. So that's what I am here to do, to help him to wake up the people and to spread the message. It's all for love. i just want Michael to know that You Are Not Alone......

First I would like to start off by saying I have not made a public introduction of myself on this forum. So many of you who have been participating in this forum and hoax longer than I have seem to have gotten to know each other and have built a rapore on this wonderful adventure.
And of course since you don't know me and my thoughts most of my info seems to get overlooked by many.

I see that you ALL seem to be forgetting the fact that MJ stated very clearly in his TII movie that this was an adventure for ALL of us. He wanted to take us places we've never been before and show us things we've never seen or experienced.

And it was stated very clearly this was ALL for L.O.V.E.

This is coming from a man who has given everything of himself for his fans and many other people throughout his entire life. It always is done from his heart.

He has given and given and continues to give unconditionally without asking of anything from any of his fans but, to trust in him.

MJ never needed to ever do a publicity stunt persay to boost his image or his career. His talents alone do that ALL by themselves. The man is a phenom with his singing and dancing abilities. He is an absolute genius. This is another part of him and his genius to get people interactively participating in a huge creative demonstration.

This demonstration has many facets to it beyond the hoax itself. There are many serious issues that MJ has been tapping the world on the shoulder about for years in his lyrics.

No one heard him when he sang them on stage or when they heard his music on the jukebox. You only heard an image of who you thought MJ was.

This was something he absolutely needed to do to shock the shit out of people and wake them up to more than just his music.

There are very serious issues happening in our world and if you continue to overlook it you will be taken way out of your comfort level more than just this hoax has done.

I suggest you seriously start paying attention to the issues presented during this hoax and learn what is going on before it is to late. Stop worrying about the why of the hoax and educate yourself.

MJ has exposed some very dangerous things while doing this hoax, things that put his life in danger. Do you honestly think MJ would sacrifice his LIFE if it wasn't a serious issue for the world to WAKE UP to what is going on around us being done by our GOVTS.?

Alot of my post go unread or responded to because it appears that many of you would rather continue to be in the dark and denial. This is a serious thing here not just a hoax or some publicity stunt for MJ's selfish reasons or a study group experience.

There is elements of a study being done for sure  but, we ALL need to play a role in it and REALLY STUDY the issues being presented that maybe a little uncomfortable to think about.

Now I do not post much and when I do it is usually on the lines of important things needing to be addressed. I enjoy the adventure but, I enjoy knowledge way more than petty threads about nonsense theories.

Peace
 :ugeek:
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: bluegurl201 on March 02, 2010, 07:01:38 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
That was the first thing I thought back in late June/July. As much as I don't believe that is the (only) reason today, I wouldn't care if it was. Whatever his reasons are, this hoax is brilliant and I will take off my hat for him and make a deep bow...
:lol:  :lol:  Opps sorry but that's true. L.O.V.E
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: PinkTopaz on March 02, 2010, 09:48:18 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
That was the first thing I thought back in late June/July. As much as I don't believe that is the (only) reason today, I wouldn't care if it was. Whatever his reasons are, this hoax is brilliant and I will take off my hat for him and make a deep bow...
That's exactly what I said, Sou! *applauds Michael*
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: misha86 on March 02, 2010, 10:30:36 PM
Great topic!

If this was just for publicity i actually wouldnt be mad at all and i would say that it worked and here is why:

I, being honest, had not paid mike much attention since the 90s everything they ever said about him was bad so i just stopped listening, i did watch bashit and made sure he was found not guilty but for the most part i didnt really follow him like that. when he "died" i couldnt get over it  and thats how i started to watch his interview  more and more....and learned more about him that i ever would,heard songs i never heard,interviews i hadnt seen and read the conspiricy book and the j.randy guys book...that alone makes this hoax worth it..realizing that he wasnt the person i thought he had became but much more! i can go on and on about what i have learned but im not...lol

reason number 2 why i wouldnt be mad is that it taught me to question EVERYTHING in the media, just like how we seen the BS in his death story i can see the BS in most stories printed now and words can not express how much that has changed my life..again another big thank you to mike

reason number 3 is the NWO rather you believe in it or not or that mike was MK ultra or not it is still worth looking into and again a life changer for me, i hadnt read a book in so long b4 this and now im constantly at the library and ordering books so i can be more aware

reason number 4 the whole thing about the clues, how genuis is that! there are clues going back to the 80s! who else could have thought of that! even when i thought this was only about a movie i thought that was hella tight how he had people and sources basicly speaking to US!

reason number 5 is the introduction to his family, being a huge janet and mike fan i actually enjoyed the jackson show and seeing his brothers and mikes neices and nephews!  to see a postive black family means alot to me!none of them in jail, they all seem to be good fathers, the neices and nephews seem to be doing good for them selfs, well spoken, attractive..lol  i enjoyed all of them! especially Siggy :lol: . I think there great and im glad they got some shine!

and with that said there is really no way that this is SOLELY about publiclicy because alot of things were brung up and brought to our attention that if you used it you could have grown as a person like i feel i did....and if mike is watching thank you, thank you, thank you
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: deepu priyanka on March 12, 2010, 02:00:30 PM
Quote from: "karen-ishealive"
I love your post Girl Saturday and to be honest i've always thought this was MJ's reason. Since December 2008 it's been a rollercoaster MJ wise, MJ dies from a drug over dose then we're told no this was a hoax, then Ian Halperin says he has 6 months to live and then MJ announcing he was doing a comeback like no other performer with 50 shows and then 6 months after Ian Halperin announed MJ was dying guess what MJ "dies" which I find way too convienent. MJ never did anything average ever! and you're right he is a perfectionist and average just will not do.
MJ also liked to play games with the media, the oxygen chamber story, elephant man bones, MJ seen out in a wheel chair he played with the media and was a man of mystery. MJ knew mystery would give him a lasting career, the man isn't stupid he's a genius and knows how to keep himself in the news. Just like what's happening since June 25th, he's more in the news now than he has in past 5 years.
I personally could never imagine MJ doing an average comeback like alot of stars have done in the past 5 years.
YES UR TOTALLY RIGHT MJ KNOWS VERY WELL HOW TO STAY IN LIMELIGHT...WELL HE IS ALSO KNOWN FOR HIS PUBLIC STUNTS N BEING A MYSTERIES MAN FOR DECADES. MAY BE  HIS COME BACK TOUR WOULD BE THE BIGGEST IN THE HISTORY OF MUSIC .. HE IS A MAGICIAN ,SHOWMAN N A GENIUS WHEN IT COMES TO HIS CAREER.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: LoriCStone on March 15, 2010, 10:31:20 PM
I think he may have many reasons for hoaxing his death. First I think he was in danger of somekind, Second they don't call him a genius for nothing. He has a performance art contract that he could do anything he wants in the name of art. I think he has a very creative imagination and that he may have wanted to raise social consicness and have people close to him debunk some of the junk so to speak in This is it the main trailor did  say discover the man you only thought you knew. Who knows I don't think it was for money or record sales I think it may be part of a movie  and him regaining his thrown as King of Pop  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: MJ_Bad on March 28, 2010, 01:46:02 PM
If that was the reason, I wouldn"t mind. It would be a great revenge to play with stupid media like that after everything they have been doing to him for decades, it would just be a bad-ass thing.
He doesn"t owe anything to anyone. He is simply THE KING !!!!!
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: the arabian nights on March 28, 2010, 02:18:57 PM
i know i will be standing alone here, but if this is just a publicity stunt - then i dont think this was his best move

i must admit i am starting to think he is gone.

i have felt that he didnt or couldnt do the world tour that aeg had planned for him - i thought fair enough.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: IBelieveInMiracles on March 28, 2010, 02:23:49 PM
In all honesty, I hope to God this isn't a publicity stunt. If it is, I don't think I would ever see Michael the same way again. It would show that he cares very little about his fans to put them through this hell and that he doesn't care about making his family live a lie. I seriously think that there are more serious reasons for why he did this.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Emily Hutjes on April 02, 2010, 08:14:08 AM
If Michael Jackson would have given 10 or 50 concerts in London, he would have earned enough and would have been admired more than ever before. So why would a hoax the hoax have been neccesary? Unless he really died and others than MJJ himself made it look like a hoax to make a profit. In that case I would think he was killed and not by a dr. C. Murray and the ones who killed him planned this for a long time and got assistance from officials who , for convenience's sake, put the blame on C. Murray.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: LoveYaMJ on April 14, 2010, 11:24:33 PM
Could've been. Very possible !!
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: GINAFELICIA on May 06, 2010, 04:17:56 AM
If this is for publicity I can only say amazing job Michael  :D !!!

But I don't think this is the reason
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: loveumj88 on May 06, 2010, 04:21:12 AM
Quote from: "Tina K."
I really dont care why he did it, I just need to know, that he's allright. That will be enough for me.

agree..
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: the arabian nights on May 06, 2010, 08:44:51 AM
i think the 3/4 year tour was not something that he could really do, he had family to care for -

- could the children really travel for 3/4 years around the globe - they are at an age when they need stability - just think how old prince and paris would be at the end - what about their home schooling and exams?
- he hated to tour - the time zones etc and uprooting the kids like that for 6 months at a time would be difficult and very demanding on him
- i think very emotionally as well as physcially demanding and then having to deal with wonderful- but they are still kids who need attention need to be played with need their father - need dad time - which from what i can see he never wanted to miss out on
- woud he hoax his death - i think if the pressure was too much - yes the pressure from randy phillips, thome, and even KO and Travis
- yes the show would have been amazing - he is a top quality performer, so anything he was minded to do would have been good - even him one standing on stage without the extras - he was the real deal
- i do think he could have been placed in the position in which there demands could not be done
- but i am also coming round to the fact and some pp have discussed this with me that - pp do just die
- he could be dead - it could be murray's bad work, it could be that taking medication of that nature over time was very dangerous and if it was not murray it would have been some other doctor - ticking bomb
- if this is a hoax i do not think it was done for money - i think mike could find or negotiate deals - since 2005 he did not disapear - he was working .
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: the arabian nights on May 06, 2010, 08:58:25 AM
sorry i could not write anymore on the previous post - it would not let me

yes well i think he could have raised funds, but not by selling his possessions, that is clear, i think it is a sin that his possessions and that what should be his kids are being sold
- i do not think mike would want to profit at the expense of his fans, i think history shows that he is not inclined that way - giving away half his earnings, the time spent with kids and ill/needly pp. setting up the foundation, giving speeches on children in oxford etc - so no
- i personally feel that the money i have spent buying this and that going to see the exhibition and thriller live have been worth it and i would not feel robbed if he came back - but glad that he decided to give of himself again
- i think it is amazing having seen him embrace his fans, touch them, carry them, save them etc, he was not a recluse, he was not frightened to be close to pp or even pp with illnesses
- but i do think that he could have been placed back in the positon where death was a predictable outcome
- i dont know if he was taking meds before his rehearsals - or at least the iv meds, i would have thought if he had been taking the iv meds previously he would have had it organised properly had all the equipment, it seems to me that it was a new routine, may be one that he had in the past, but from april to june - a new routine - that went so wrong
- i wonder if all the strangeness is just that, the inappropriate behaviour, the strange comments, possible decoy bodies etc.
- what will the trial throw up - excuses, as to why there is a reasonable doubt, i should think that would not be that hard the longest sentence is only 4 years, so its not regarded as that grave an offence is it?
- who wil come
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Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: the arabian nights on May 06, 2010, 09:00:34 AM
sorry again i am having problems

so who will be there - pp discussing his routine, pp involved in his routine, it is bound to be murky

i would like to hope he comes back - if not dead before the true trial - so that not again will his name be put through the gutter - even though he is the official victim in this case
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: suspicious mind on May 06, 2010, 09:24:11 AM
ok maybe this isn't the right place for this . but wasn't the whole thing supposed to take place in on arean for the intire time?
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: jill on May 06, 2010, 09:33:43 AM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
ok maybe this isn't the right place for this . but wasn't the whole thing supposed to take place in on arean for the intire time?

Not sure about that.  There was talk of this turning into a world tour after the 02 shows.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: the arabian nights on May 06, 2010, 09:36:04 AM
yes randy phillips, frank - there are lots of threads i contributed to - there are copies of news articles and vid - please search my post - sorry there are so many and i get abit moody somethings so sorry again
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: suspicious mind on May 06, 2010, 09:39:35 AM
ok , so he's start out in one place for part of it and the other part would be moving around? don't mean to be so thick headed i just haven't been her the whole time and need to catch up.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: somekindofsign on May 06, 2010, 10:09:02 AM
The leaked AEG contract talks about a two branches worldwide tour.
Arabian is sooo right. There are many signs about that unfortunately
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: suspicious mind on May 06, 2010, 10:18:38 AM
i guess maybe in all the little snippits they made it  sound like it was all at the arena.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: the arabian nights on May 06, 2010, 10:22:07 AM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
i guess maybe in all the little snippits they made it  sound like it was all at the arena.

they want to mislead you

just think if there wasnt any footage

what would you think then

so it was 10 then it was 31 then it was 38(?) i think, then 50 then what hey world tour - but it was always there, look up randy phillips

no shock mike disliked him
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: somekindofsign on May 06, 2010, 10:23:46 AM
It should be... if there´s some common sense in it.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: the arabian nights on May 06, 2010, 10:24:59 AM
yes there is the common sense of  they want the money
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: suspicious mind on May 06, 2010, 10:32:23 AM
almost sounds like once you get into that business death is the only way out from under it.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: the arabian nights on May 06, 2010, 10:36:28 AM
i think they got him -  others wanted him to do this for so long what 12 years out of touring, and he was in good shape, he could deliver, they gave him cash up front, a house, furnishings, sweetners, but then the bite back - what they wanted, what he had to do, how many shows,

i read a new item early on - some guy quoted - a friend - he said that mike begged them to do a one night televised show like allgood wanted him to do - then refused him he was very upset

remember he begged - mike begged
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: mirandacnc on May 06, 2010, 10:38:24 AM
ive kinda thought that this might all be a hoax within a hoax..thats why noone will say "believers stop saying hes alive" (family). it benefits everyone..as weve seen.....i just hope im wrong :(
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: the arabian nights on May 06, 2010, 10:43:19 AM
well the family have spoken - they have said he has passed, he died, he is not with us

but we look and listen to other things - i do

i have avoided it - dismissed it because of the wriggle, and all the rest of it

so how many times, some one told me - that someone suggested a press conference

well hoax believer as a small set - so why and what for - wouldnt we pull it apart - wouldnt we say its part of the master plan

guys i have been all over the place - i am not trying to convince you - because i cant even convince myself
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: suspicious mind on May 06, 2010, 10:58:04 AM
you know that hoaxers have to be the miority so why would anyone benefit from feeding it.tabloids maybe but we are anti tabloid.the nwo thing maybe but not everyone is on board with that.unless it"s the ultimate scheme to drive us to the looney bin .if so i think it's working.!
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: the arabian nights on May 06, 2010, 11:06:04 AM
its amazing - us hoaxer believer or am i an ex?

but we are all fine minded - reasonable and intelligent pp - professional, schooled etc etc

we are not fools

but there is strangeness in all of  things - that cant be denied
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: jill on May 06, 2010, 11:44:34 AM
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
sorry again i am having problems

so who will be there - pp discussing his routine, pp involved in his routine, it is bound to be murky

i would like to hope he comes back - if not dead before the true trial - so that not again will his name be put through the gutter - even though he is the official victim in this case

The same thought has crossed my mind, especially with the death of Peter Lopez.  It certainly doesn't seem like suicide to me.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: suspicious mind on May 06, 2010, 11:48:43 AM
Quote from: "jill"
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
sorry again i am having problems

so who will be there - pp discussing his routine, pp involved in his routine, it is bound to be murky

i would like to hope he comes back - if not dead before the true trial - so that not again will his name be put through the gutter - even though he is the official victim in this case

The same thought has crossed my mind, especially with the death of Peter Lopez.  It certainly doesn't seem like suicide to me.

thought the chandler thing was suspect also
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: jill on May 06, 2010, 11:52:03 AM
That happened so early on I didn't connect the two.  Who knows.  This whole mess is confusing.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: suspicious mind on May 06, 2010, 12:00:01 PM
seems like he was shot in the head but the gun was on his chest or something like that.guess i don't really know much about that kind of stuff but my bells went off.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: somekindofsign on May 06, 2010, 12:05:06 PM
Please read this Minamai posted about López:
Another mysterious death about Michael Jackson
(...) Peter Lee, one of the most sought after lawyers in the entertainment industry in the United States and Latin America, reportedly was close to granting a very revealing interview about the killing of the King of Pop (...)
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9485&p=158820#p158815 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9485&p=158820#p158815)
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: thebella1961 on September 06, 2010, 11:30:34 AM
I DONT THINK MJ WOULD DO THAT BUT IF IT WERE TRUE HOW BAD WOULD ALL OF THE ARMY OF L.O.V.E FEEL GUTTED WE CAN ONLY HOPE AND PRAY THATS NOT TRUE
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: suspicious mind on September 06, 2010, 07:46:11 PM
the way that it  could be just for the sake of a hoax and be to michaels advantage is if he was totally fed up and this would be michaels way of giving the world the finger.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Its her on October 10, 2010, 08:03:11 PM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
the way that it  could be just for the sake of a hoax and be to michaels advantage is if he was totally fed up and this would be michaels way of giving the world the finger.

But---

he's been giving the World the finger since Bad... ;) This would be overkill; a poke in the eye; an overachievement. :o  He doesn't do stuff like that. Naw.:lol:
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: suspicious mind on October 10, 2010, 08:58:39 PM
where you been girl?
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Its her on October 10, 2010, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
where you been girl?
Hi YOU!

Oh...Fightin' the Good Fight... ;) Not a casualty...Reading more, flapping off at the lip, less. :oops:  :P  :roll:

There are places on this Forum I have NEVER been!!  8-)  :lol:  :o  
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: suspicious mind on October 10, 2010, 11:04:54 PM
Quote from: "Its her"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
where you been girl?
Hi YOU!

Oh...Fightin' the Good Fight... ;) Not a casualty...Reading more, flapping off at the lip, less. :oops:  :P  :roll:

There are places on this Forum I have NEVER been!!  8-)  :lol:  :o  
learn anything you didn't already know.?
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Its her on October 11, 2010, 03:36:54 AM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "Its her"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
where you been girl?
Hi YOU!

Oh...Fightin' the Good Fight... ;) Not a casualty...Reading more, flapping off at the lip, less. :oops:  :P  :roll:

There are places on this Forum I have NEVER been!!  8-)  :lol:  :o  
learn anything you didn't already know.?

Oh, YEAH :!:  You bet :mrgreen: Some things weren't adding up, and I thought my instincts were misfiring, from inside my straightjacket. :shock:  :?  Nothing to blow apart the hoax, though :roll: . Batman is still the ONLY one who KNOWs when he will return...I am just seeing new depth to the ride. Oh, my!  :o  THIS (OP) very question was nagging at me. To SEE it was a shock! I may or may not :| , have more to say here, in a day...or two, if Mr. Wonderful hasn't come back overnite. Still ruminating.

Gotta find me a cozy place to share some other things. But, first, still looking to make sure I am up to speed at my usual haunts...

You got eyes like a HAWK, there, girl :!:   I've only been "silent running", for a minute! :lol:  :D
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Its her on October 22, 2010, 01:01:41 AM
Quote from: "thebella1961"
I DONT THINK MJ WOULD DO THAT BUT IF IT WERE TRUE HOW BAD WOULD ALL OF THE ARMY OF L.O.V.E FEEL GUTTED WE CAN ONLY HOPE AND PRAY THATS NOT TRUE

This is a GREAT point, right here, I would be SO disappointed, because I expected more of him. :roll:  :|  I thought he was trying to outdo P.T. Barnum, with not just publicity, but Love, his major theme... Many many people have said, as if they didn't bawl their eyes out, 16 months ago that, "oh, ok, doesn't matter; whatever you wanna do, baby" which REALLY translates into: "Disrespect my affection and devotion to you--hurt me more. WAIT----Tie me up--all my time-- for almost two years, on your hoax/fan sites, like some bondage player you keep asking people about". :shock:  

ALL THIS TIME... was he saying "I LOVE you more" or "I SHOVE you more" ?? :?  The Army of L.O.V.E. would be proven to stand for, Leave Others Virtually Empty. Very clever. Thanx. :cry:

You know "they" say that people who were abused as children, are compelled to hurt others, because they haven't the wherewithall to resist and overcome(must be evolved from carnivores). Yeah, he HATES it when people say that, but thank God this is America for a few more minutes, and we can say whatever we want for those minutes. If MJ did something simply as a stunt to promote his career to even greater heights, without regard to his fans, it would also mean that all he has done is grow older, not UP. It would be the prank of a young teenager, without the emotional understanding to realize how ICILY, deathly cold such a thing would be. This is what you are agreeing to being ok, if you really believe inside your HEART that this "wouldn't matter"...Well, it DOES matter.
And what would be really CREEPY is, that if he WERE such a cold, cold man, HE wouldn't care if you were STILL crying. (Sorry, Amazon chicks. :oops:  :oops:)
 
I happen to have a song for you and him, in that case: anyone remember THIS?

(I)Don't beLIEve my heart can STAND another YOU :x .
I need someone who is gentle, kind and true. :D
Go away, I've had enough :evil:
the GAME you play is just TOO rough. :twisted:
Don't BeLIEve my heart can stand another YOU. :twisted:


However---GOOD NEWS  :D  He is intelligent enough to realize he cannot save us from the NWO--that was never his intention. It IS an ARG; a game. But there is no crying in games, (unless you are gambling with your money :shock:  :cry: ), so I think THAT REALLY threw him for a loop! I saw the look on his face at the O2 press conference. Even if that was NOT MJ---THAT guy there REALIZED that MJ's death was going to KILL these ecstatic fans, just right in this room... :?  :?  :shock: Oh...holy crap...

But the wheels were in motion... :?  You can't stop the moonlight, and you can't stop Operation LIGHTMAN. :D  8-) MJ has been planning this Adventure for decades.  It got put off once...it's NOW OR NEVER; THIS IS IT.

LOOK :!: ---before the "body" was even cold, his people had orders to crank   :!:  :!: out the clues to STAVE off the alarm in folks who would actually seriously CARE for him... I think it FLOORED him, all the genuine love. I think he said a few choice words he said once, he NEVER says, and then he CRIED...because he did not really know he mattered SO much to us still ...

GEEZE :!: TWO hugely famous, for their compassion, ministers of the Gospel came out on (supposed to be taken )seriously, cable news TV to implore people to calm down and not do any harm to themselves over this!!!  :?  :o  Michael Jackson cares more deeply about perfect strangers than many of us will ever know, but it is the truth. His life speaks VOLUMES about his secret passionate care of strangers. Ok, just pretend you KNOW it is the truth(read the thread here, later). Could he care LESS, for the billions of little girls who've grown up into women, with him as a soft spot in their hearts for ever--and shared him with THEIR kids??? :P
 
Have you been paying attention? :) However bogus you think the Bashir interviews were, I heard him say he was MARRIED to us.
 :!: Either it is the way he FEELs: devoted to us as a loving spouse would be---or it was stated as clue for such a time as this! 8-)  Now THAT is something to THINK about :!: Did anyone see all those bride zombie/ghost puppets in TII, or was I seeing things?? NO grooms.
Am I wrong? I think I'll watch that when I finish here. Got an idea...But, NO, that Heartbreaker is NOT on some sick trip to hurt us. It is a game. It is a game. We are playing a game with someone who loves us. He's TRIED to include everybody--but some don't want to take the time, or really can't take the time. Many don't care to play. It is all in the plan.

DON'T get all paranoid and double minded :roll:  NOW :!: I am still thinking it is some kind of Major Love. Love doesn't hurt. It heals.

Now :| ...he could come back this month, laughing and saying,  "ok, it was only to last 16 months, (1+ 6 =7 :P ) Ta DA! Halloween-Thriller. Here I am. I fooled everyone. Game Over. There is no prize. No one wins, except me. Na... na-na... NA- na!... :P

But if he does that,

what do all his Propaganda Films mean??????????????????????????????

There is a picture of the fourth one right on this page, or there was, as I started this post. I believe it is in Mo's Avatar. If not, I'll post the correction. P4 Right in Plain sight. It is the video he showed during the interview with Diane Sawyer and LMP.

Naw, this is no mere "publicity" stunt. :oops:  We are dealing with a real THINKER, 8-)  and a serious LOVER... ;)  This is the Mother of stunts, with a twist. He can't come back until we get at least MOST of the clues figured out---even if he plays like Mom & Dad, :P  and GIVES them to us, to hurry up the game! :!:  :roll:  :oops:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  ;)  :mrgreen: I BeLIEve he's actually going to DO it--Fly this thing up someones' nosey unbeLIEving noses!  Go Batman :!:  :o
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: PinkTopaz on October 22, 2010, 01:36:47 AM
Quote from: "Its her"
Quote from: "thebella1961"
I DONT THINK MJ WOULD DO THAT BUT IF IT WERE TRUE HOW BAD WOULD ALL OF THE ARMY OF L.O.V.E FEEL GUTTED WE CAN ONLY HOPE AND PRAY THATS NOT TRUE

This is a GREAT point, right here, I would be SO disappointed, because I expected more of him. :roll:  :|  I thought he was trying to outdo P.T. Barnum, with not just publicity, but Love, his major theme... Many many people have said, as if they didn't bawl their eyes out, 16 months ago that, "oh, ok, doesn't matter; whatever you wanna do, baby" which REALLY translates into: "Disrespect my affection and devotion to you--hurt me more. WAIT----Tie me up--all my time-- for almost two years, on your hoax/fan sites, like some bondage player you keep asking people about". :shock:  

ALL THIS TIME... was he saying "I LOVE you more" or "I SHOVE you more" ?? :?  The Army of L.O.V.E. would be proven to stand for, Leave Others Virtually Empty. Very clever. Thanx. :cry:

You know "they" say that people who were abused as children, are compelled to hurt others, because they haven't the wherewithall to resist and overcome(must be evolved from carnivores). Yeah, he HATES it when people say that, but thank God this is America for a few more minutes, and we can say whatever we want for those minutes. If MJ did something simply as a stunt to promote his career to even greater heights, without regard to his fans, it would also mean that all he has done is grow older, not UP. It would be the prank of a young teenager, without the emotional understanding to realize how ICILY, deathly cold such a thing would be. This is what you are agreeing to being ok, if you really believe inside your HEART that this "wouldn't matter"...Well, it DOES matter.
And what would be really CREEPY is, that if he WERE such a cold, cold man, HE wouldn't care if you were STILL crying. (Sorry, Amazon chicks. :oops:  :oops:)
 
I happen to have a song for you and him, in that case: anyone remember THIS?

(I)Don't beLIEve my heart can STAND another YOU :x .
I need someone who is gentle, kind and true. :D
Go away, I've had enough :evil:
the GAME you play is just TOO rough. :twisted:
Don't BeLIEve my heart can stand another YOU. :twisted:


However---GOOD NEWS  :D  He is intelligent enough to realize he cannot save us from the NWO--that was never his intention. It IS an ARG; a game. But there is no crying in games, (unless you are gambling with your money[/u] :shock:  :cry: ), so I think THAT REALLY threw him for a loop! I saw the look on his face at the O2 press conference. Even if that was NOT MJ---THAT guy there REALIZED that MJ's death was going to KILL these ecstatic fans, just right in this room... :?  :?  :shock: Oh...holy crap...

But the wheels were in motion... :?  You can't stop the moonlight, and you can't stop Operation LIGHTMAN. :D  8-) MJ has been planning this Adventure for decades.  It got put off once...it's NOW OR NEVER; THIS IS IT.

LOOK :!: ---before the "body" was even cold, his people had orders to crank   :!:  :!: out the clues to STAVE off the alarm in folks who would actually seriously CARE for him... I think it FLOORED him, all the genuine love. I think he said a few choice words he said once, he NEVER says, and then he CRIED...because he did not really know he mattered SO much to us still ...

GEEZE :!: TWO hugely famous, for their compassion, ministers of the Gospel came out on (supposed to be taken )seriously, cable news TV to implore people to calm down and not do any harm to themselves over this!!!  :?  :o  Michael Jackson cares more deeply about perfect strangers than many of us will ever know, but it is the truth. His life speaks VOLUMES about his secret passionate care of strangers. Ok, just pretend you KNOW it is the truth(read the thread here, later). Could he care LESS, for the billions of little girls who've grown up into women, with him as a soft spot in their hearts for ever--and shared him with THEIR kids??? :P
 
Have you been paying attention? :) However bogus you think the Bashir interviews were, I heard him say he was MARRIED to us.[/u]
 :!: Either it is the way he FEELs: devoted to us as a loving spouse would be---or it was stated as clue for such a time as this! 8-)  Now THAT is something to THINK about :!: Did anyone see all those bride zombie/ghost puppets in TII, or was I seeing things?? NO grooms.
Am I wrong? I think I'll watch that when I finish here. Got an idea...But, NO, that Heartbreaker is NOT on some sick trip to hurt us. It is a game. It is a game. We are playing a game with someone who loves us. He's TRIED to include everybody--but some don't want to take the time, or really can't take the time. Many don't care to play. It is all in the plan.

DON'T get all paranoid and double minded :roll:  NOW :!: I am still thinking it is some kind of Major Love. Love doesn't hurt. It heals.

Now :| ...he could come back this month, laughing and saying,  "ok, it was only to last 16 months, (1+ 6 =7 :P ) Ta DA! Halloween-Thriller. Here I am. I fooled everyone. Game Over. There is no prize. No one wins, except me. Na... na-na... NA- na!... :P

But if he does that,

what do all his Propaganda Films mean??????????????????????????????

There is a picture of the fourth one right on this page, or there was, as I started this post. I believe it is in Mo's Avatar. If not, I'll post the correction. P4 Right in Plain sight. It is the video he showed during the interview with Diane Sawyer and LMP.

Naw, this is no mere "publicity" stunt. :oops:  We are dealing with a real THINKER, 8-)  and a serious LOVER... ;)  This is the Mother of stunts, with a twist. He can't come back until we get at least MOST of the clues figured out---even if he plays like Mom & Dad, :P  and GIVES them to us, to hurry up the game! :!:  :roll:  :oops:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  ;)  :mrgreen: I BeLIEve he's actually going to DO it--Fly this thing up someones' nosey unbeLIEving noses!  Go Batman :!:  :o
First thing I put in bold and underlined, I don't know if you meant it to or not but I laughed because I thought of some snotty rich guy in Vegas going "N-O-O-O!"  
This was another gorgeous post from you, IH- never underestimate his kindness and heart. But, the second bold and underlined statement, the whole "married" bit, I really don't care for. A lot of the time it's hair-pulling-ly frustrating to me to look back at all of the times he just let hordes of obsessive fans walk all over him, and how he never said any nay about them no matter how much they screamed and harassed him. He should never have taken to fans the way he did, they ate him up and spat him out and I [i[know[//i] there were times he hated it. And yet he felt pressured into not saying anything to "hurt" them. And I hate that. I really do. I hate to think of him suffering, and I 've seen it pointed out here on this board before how oftentimes fans pushed him around as much as the media, though there was no malicious (though very selfish) intent, though. It wasn't right, he should have said something to them, it didn't even have to be harsh or sharp at all.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: curls on October 22, 2010, 02:53:53 AM
Its her, You had me worried there for a moment reading about this cold, cold man - I thought you'd turned! Lovely to see you're back to your colourful, thoroughly thought through posts! (That looks weird, but I think it's grammatically correct!)

In a nutshell, when I strip everything back to basics, this isn't a man we've only recently met and might well have doubts about. MJ is a man who has shown his sensitive, honest, loving heart consistently, all his 50 or so years of life, pretty much all of which was in the full glare of the public eye. And even the media's attempts to break him and present the world with a totally distorted image, could not hide this heart from those who felt it's power. The Power of Love! Hope that doesn't sound too gushing - but it's true! We know we can trust him.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Its her on October 23, 2010, 09:11:31 AM
Quote from: "curls"
Its her, You had me worried there for a moment reading about this cold, cold man - I thought you'd turned! Lovely to see you're back to your colourful, thoroughly thought through posts! (That looks weird, but I think it's grammatically correct!)

In a nutshell, when I strip everything back to basics, this isn't a man we've only recently met and might well have doubts about. MJ is a man who has shown his sensitive, honest, loving heart consistently, all his 50 or so years of life, pretty much all of which was in the full glare of the public eye. And even the media's attempts to break him and present the world with a totally distorted image, could not hide this heart from those who felt it's power. The Power of Love! Hope that doesn't sound too gushing - but it's true! We know we can trust him.
GREAT! I was going for shock value--sorry if it was TOO much. When I see gals (and guys) just take all kinds of disrespectful behaviour "in the name of love" just so they can be on the good side of a bully-boyfriend/girlfriend, I want to scream. I love how you said that("...thought you'd turned...") like sour milk! HA!
You're right, too, no one could hide an evil side for 50 years from billions of eyes. MJ is plotting Magic, not punking his devotees.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Its her on October 23, 2010, 11:27:17 AM
Quote from: "PinkTopaz"
Quote from: "Its her"
Quote from: "thebella1961"
I DONT THINK MJ WOULD DO THAT BUT IF IT WERE TRUE HOW BAD WOULD ALL OF THE ARMY OF L.O.V.E FEEL GUTTED WE CAN ONLY HOPE AND PRAY THATS NOT TRUE

This is a GREAT point, right here, I would be SO disappointed, because I expected more of him. :roll:  :|  I thought he was trying to outdo P.T. Barnum, with not just publicity, but Love, his major theme... Many many people have said, as if they didn't bawl their eyes out, 16 months ago that, "oh, ok, doesn't matter; whatever you wanna do, baby" which REALLY translates into: "Disrespect my affection and devotion to you--hurt me more. WAIT----Tie me up--all my time-- for almost two years, on your hoax/fan sites, like some bondage player you keep asking people about". :shock:  

ALL THIS TIME... was he saying "I LOVE you more" or "I SHOVE you more" ?? :?  The Army of L.O.V.E. would be proven to stand for, Leave Others Virtually Empty. Very clever. Thanx. :cry:

You know "they" say that people who were abused as children, are compelled to hurt others, because they haven't the wherewithall to resist and overcome(must be evolved from carnivores). Yeah, he HATES it when people say that, but thank God this is America for a few more minutes, and we can say whatever we want for those minutes. If MJ did something simply as a stunt to promote his career to even greater heights, without regard to his fans, it would also mean that all he has done is grow older, not UP. It would be the prank of a young teenager, without the emotional understanding to realize how ICILY, deathly cold such a thing would be. This is what you are agreeing to being ok, if you really believe inside your HEART that this "wouldn't matter"...Well, it DOES matter.
And what would be really CREEPY is, that if he WERE such a cold, cold man, HE wouldn't care if you were STILL crying. (Sorry, Amazon chicks. :oops:  :oops:)
 
I happen to have a song for you and him, in that case: anyone remember THIS?

(I)Don't beLIEve my heart can STAND another YOU :x .
I need someone who is gentle, kind and true. :D
Go away, I've had enough :evil:
the GAME you play is just TOO rough. :twisted:
Don't BeLIEve my heart can stand another YOU. :twisted:


However---GOOD NEWS  :D  He is intelligent enough to realize he cannot save us from the NWO--that was never his intention. It IS an ARG; a game. But there is no crying in games, (unless you are gambling with your money[/u] :shock:  :cry: ), so I think THAT REALLY threw him for a loop! I saw the look on his face at the O2 press conference. Even if that was NOT MJ---THAT guy there REALIZED that MJ's death was going to KILL these ecstatic fans, just right in this room... :?  :?  :shock: Oh...holy crap...

But the wheels were in motion... :?  You can't stop the moonlight, and you can't stop Operation LIGHTMAN. :D  8-) MJ has been planning this Adventure for decades.  It got put off once...it's NOW OR NEVER; THIS IS IT.

LOOK :!: ---before the "body" was even cold, his people had orders to crank   :!:  :!: out the clues to STAVE off the alarm in folks who would actually seriously CARE for him... I think it FLOORED him, all the genuine love. I think he said a few choice words he said once, he NEVER says, and then he CRIED...because he did not really know he mattered SO much to us still ...

GEEZE :!: TWO hugely famous, for their compassion, ministers of the Gospel came out on (supposed to be taken )seriously, cable news TV to implore people to calm down and not do any harm to themselves over this!!!  :?  :o  Michael Jackson cares more deeply about perfect strangers than many of us will ever know, but it is the truth. His life speaks VOLUMES about his secret passionate care of strangers. Ok, just pretend you KNOW it is the truth(read the thread here, later). Could he care LESS, for the billions of little girls who've grown up into women, with him as a soft spot in their hearts for ever--and shared him with THEIR kids??? :P
 
Have you been paying attention? :) However bogus you think the Bashir interviews were,  I [/color]heard him say he was MARRIED to us.[/b]
 :!: Either it is the way he FEELs: devoted to us as a loving spouse would be---or it was stated as clue for such a time as this! 8-)  Now THAT is something to THINK about :!: Did anyone see all those bride zombie/ghost puppets in TII, or was I seeing things?? NO grooms.
Am I wrong? I think I'll watch that when I finish here. Got an idea...But, NO, that Heartbreaker is NOT on some sick trip to hurt us. It is a game. It is a game. We are playing a game with someone who loves us. He's TRIED to include everybody--but some don't want to take the time, or really can't take the time. Many don't care to play. It is all in the plan.

DON'T get all paranoid and double minded :roll:  NOW :!: I am still thinking it is some kind of Major Love. Love doesn't hurt. It heals.

Now :| ...he could come back this month, laughing and saying,  "ok, it was only to last 16 months, (1+ 6 =7 :P ) Ta DA! Halloween-Thriller. Here I am. I fooled everyone. Game Over. There is no prize. No one wins, except me. Na... na-na... NA- na!... :P

But if he does that,

what do all his Propaganda Films mean??????????????????????????????

There is a picture of the fourth one right on this page, or there was, as I started this post. I believe it is in Mo's Avatar. If not, I'll post the correction. P4 Right in Plain sight. It is the video he showed during the interview with Diane Sawyer and LMP.

Naw, this is no mere "publicity" stunt. :oops:  We are dealing with a real THINKER, 8-)  and a serious LOVER... ;)  This is the Mother of stunts, with a twist. He can't come back until we get at least MOST of the clues figured out---even if he plays like Mom & Dad, :P  and GIVES them to us, to hurry up the game! :!:  :roll:  :oops:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  ;)  :mrgreen: I BeLIEve he's actually going to DO it--Fly this thing up someones' nosey unbeLIEving noses!  Go Batman :!:  :o
First thing I put in bold and underlined, I don't know if you meant it to or not but I laughed because I thought of some snotty rich guy in Vegas going "N-O-O-O!"  
This was another gorgeous post from you, IH- never underestimate his kindness and heart. But, the second bold and underlined statement, the whole "married" bit, I really don't care for.  A lot of the time it's hair-pulling-ly frustrating to me to look back at all of the times he just let hordes of obsessive fans walk all over him, and how he never said any nay about them no matter how much they screamed and harassed him. He should never have taken to fans the way he did, they ate him up and spat him out and I know there were times he hated it. And yet he felt pressured into not saying anything to "hurt" them. And I hate that. I really do. I hate to think of him suffering, and I 've seen it pointed out here on this board before how oftentimes fans pushed him around as much as the media, though there was no malicious (though very selfish) intent, though. It wasn't right, he should have said something to them, it didn't even have to be harsh or sharp at all.

Thanx, PT, I hear you, it doesn't set well with you; but he's said he loves his fans at least a million times in 45 years. And, he did say he was married to us, to Bashir, on film...

HE, actually gets it, that the over-zealous, overly exuberant ones, "know not what they are doing", and forgives the terror!  Everyone is at the mercy of some extreme emotion at one time or another.  It is TRAINING from one's youth; from teachers, parents, clergy, which takes over when the brain shuts down from over-stimulation. If one's parents didn't train one in self discipline (i.e., how to act like a lady in public), they really CAN'T help it. For sure, the little 15 year old girl with a handful of his hair would cry her eyes out, at the realization, looking at it later,  that she had hurt her "beloved" so...

There is NOTHING scarier than a crowd out of control.  MJ very wisely keeps himself out of harm's way. He knows one can be loved to death, and demonstrates his concern for the fans (besides wisdom for his own safety)  by never letting it come to something like this.

He loves his fans. Don't believe any one who tells you he didn't, or that he felt they were in his way or irritated him, at all.  Even if he thought it, at times---heck, some were--you never heard him say it.  He was never one to dwell on any negative.  He's said he loved each and every one.  ALL of us.  At the beginning of his childhood fame, I think he said it out of respect--maybe not deeply heartfelt, yet, because he appreciated that we, millions, valued his talent. And, he probably secretly, got a serious kick out of his being so hot we couldn't stand it(!).  But, as he grew up, and looked into each little face, some, out of their minds with joy at his presence in front of them, I think he started to FEEL the love and joy back, and it became like the warmth of the Sun, to him.  

This is not off topic, btw; it is the HEART of the matter.  If the Hoax is a hoax, then so was his love. And that is just not the truth. You know it. Even though he is probably tired of it,(he is doing most of the work)  it is LOVE which keeps him from copping out, coming back, and just saying it was a publicity stunt only. Here is something, too: if he does come out of exile and says it was all for publicity--not for love--NO one will beLIEve even him! People who have found all the complex work he's put into it will NOT just drop it. Clever Boy has just painted himself into a corner.... :)
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: MissG on October 23, 2010, 01:33:44 PM
@Its her, I like your point of view.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: PinkTopaz on October 23, 2010, 10:09:43 PM
Quote from: "Its Her"
Thanx, PT, I hear you, it doesn't set well with you; but he's said he loves his fans at least a million times in 45 years. And, he did say he was married to us, to Bashir, on film...

HE, actually gets it, that the over-zealous, overly exuberant ones, "know not what they are doing", and forgives the terror! Everyone is at the mercy of some extreme emotion at one time or another. It is TRAINING from one's youth; from teachers, parents, clergy, which takes over when the brain shuts down from over-stimulation. If one's parents didn't train one in self discipline (i.e., how to act like a lady in public), they really CAN'T help it. For sure, the little 15 year old girl with a handful of his hair would cry her eyes out, at the realization, looking at it later, that she had hurt her "beloved" so...

There is NOTHING scarier than a crowd out of control. MJ very wisely keeps himself out of harm's way. He knows one can be loved to death, and demonstrates his concern for the fans (besides wisdom for his own safety) by never letting it come to something like this.

He loves his fans. Don't believe any one who tells you he didn't, or that he felt they were in his way or irritated him, at all. Even if he thought it, at times---heck, some were--you never heard him say it. He was never one to dwell on any negative. He's said he loved each and every one. ALL of us. At the beginning of his childhood fame, I think he said it out of respect--maybe not deeply heartfelt, yet, because he appreciated that we, millions, valued his talent. And, he probably secretly, got a serious kick out of his being so hot we couldn't stand it(!). But, as he grew up, and looked into each little face, some, out of their minds with joy at his presence in front of them, I think he started to FEEL the love and joy back, and it became like the warmth of the Sun, to him.

This is not off topic, btw; it is the HEART of the matter. If the Hoax is a hoax, then so was his love. And that is just not the truth. You know it. Even though he is probably tired of it,(he is doing most of the work) it is LOVE which keeps him from copping out, coming back, and just saying it was a publicity stunt only. Here is something, too: if he does come out of exile and says it was all for publicity--not for love--NO one will beLIEve even him! People who have found all the complex work he's put into it will NOT just drop it. Clever Boy has just painted himself into a corner.... :)
See, again there, you never heard him say it. Exactly! I just watched the part of that new documentary on YT, (not that I'll get to see the whole thing because that money-grubbing Marc Schaffel had the rest pulled down) it was a part where the narration- which includes his own voice- says how difficult it could be to go anywhere because of the crowds, even a small mall, and how "they follow you everywhere, no matter how far you go." He shouldn't have to speak as if it's some kind of natural disaster following that can't be helped!! He's talking about people! And yet he just can't seem to insert any kind of anything about how frustrating or frightening it is, making it seem like osmething you sigh and shake your head about, but is ultimately unavoidable and okay! That wasn't the first time either, he's said it before years ago, but apparently his basic right to go where he needs and wants in the world doesn't matter all that much, does it?? Saying that he's "married" to them, especially in "Living" right along with all of the horribly depressing things he says about what fan behavior does to his life, to me sounds as if he's saying that after all of this time, their relentless pursuing that won't stop, he's given up on forming any.. I'm sorry, I'm crying, I have to stop for a moment..
I hate watching those parts of the interview, it's just so wrong.. but I also hate to be dramatic and I just hope and pray his life hasn't been as empty as a lot of people, journalists and even some fans would say..
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: MJonmind on October 24, 2010, 01:38:52 AM
I believe that in a certain way it is true that he did the hoax for a publicity stunt, but everything's for good reasons. He said when he was young that after reading PT Barnum, he wanted his whole life to be the Greatest show on earth. Entertaining is all he's ever known, and since his father pushed him so relentlessly with so little love, he grew passionately to perform giving his all, he said, for one reason only, to receive love from people. I was thinking of starting a thread about whether and how you guys think Michael has grown and matured over the years. Very few people have had model loving home lives, and I've always heard it said, that your negative experiences either make you bitter or better. We learn that out of our own despair and pain that it feels good to help someone else feel better. Becoming bitter is taking you down a spiralling hellhole, becoming a person people pity and despise.

From 16 months of learning all I can about MJ, I sense this maturing in him, that desire to make the world a better place, that it's not just about the show, but it's about people needing escape from boring lives, love where they've been hurt, fun where they've been taking life too seriously, and passion in seeing ways they can heal the planet. Absolutely I think he is a different man after experiencing the 2 times of horrible allegations of child abuse, of having loved Diana and Lisa Marie very deeply and lost, of having serious skin problems and on and on. He's read and observed so much in the high places with top people of the world, that he moves amongst.

In the Glenda tapes he tells Glenda at one point that he doesn't really love the fans and is looking for a special person to love. But what he really means is a comparison thing, that by comparison, the passion he would put into the relationship (which we totally saw as he dove in 150% head over heels with Lisa Marie for all the world to see) would make the love for the fans look like nothing, but it still is very powerful. In this hoax I think he is thinking of the end result. This hoax will make us wiser to what is going on, we'll have had a crazy wonderful time figuring out the clues, befriending each other here, all while examining the heart of this man--digging deeper than we have into the heart of any other person. Michael is the ONLY person I want to dig this deep into. Sounds like journey to the centre of the earth. Ha! I know this sounds dumb, but some lovers like to do weird things to spice up their love life, and MJ's relationship with his fans/friends/admirers is including some of the most "intoxicating" (LMP's choice of words) exillerating mind-blowing creative interactive time spent together. I hope some of this rambling makes sense.  :?  :)

You mentioned the clip from History that is shown in the Diane Sawyer with Lisa Marie and MJ, where Diane accuses him of being vain and political, and MJ says it was all about pure love--fans giving their love and him gladly receiving it. A symbiotic relationship. I get an immensely wonderful feeling and joy out of loving Michael and seeing him celebrated around the world. And I think he gets wonderful joy out of hearing and seeing our love for him. That is part of the healing for our planet. He embodies love with his songs, dance, this hoax, his laughter, his words of wisdom to children and people, and his example of forgiveness, sensitivity to people's needs, enjoying the ordinary things of life.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Its her on January 15, 2011, 04:03:04 PM
If the Hoax is a hoax, that's a double negative, which makes it a positive.

If I tell you a lie and tell you I am lying, am I redeeming myself, or causing more suspicion?

If my circumstances and messengers tell the world and my enemies, that I died, and you, my loved ones, by the same circumstances and messengers perceive that I am secretly alive, am I a liar or not?  Even if I am outside of Time for a while? ;) Think about THAT. 8-)  

If some other agent or entity hoaxes my death (for personal financial or other gain), how would this possibly work if I am actually alive, unless I am "in" on the deal; i.e., hoaxing my own death?

If someone else is hoaxing my death, without either my input or protest, then it is not a hoaxed death, as I AM dead, or at the very least, soon to be, after they have gotten all they need from me while imprisoned by them, where I CAN'T protest. It would be actually, someone hoaxing my life, i.e., that I am being rumored to return to life some time, when in truth, I cannnot, or will not be able to.

All emotion and personal familiarity or investment aside, WHY would an average rational person of logical persuasion believe anything complicated about this situation at all?  After all, MJ has thought of everything and set us up pretty darn good! Why WOULD anyone who wasn't a fan, take the time to delve into the possibility that they were not being given the truth in their daily news?? There are many subjects on the news which make you go "Hmm", without questioning the measure of truth in the story. I do see that many people are actually asleep at the wheel (the remote :lol: ), but is it fair to blame them? Really? My grandPa used to scream "Lying Bastards  :twisted: " at the TV regularly. Do we want to make ourselves like that? full of mistrust about every single thing?  I think this Hoax is for common sense education. MJ knew we weren't getting this from our schools or life.

I do think MJ is at the helm here with this Hoax. It is not for nothing; he has a point.  8-) He is making it to be quite a ride, so as not to lose his audience, but even though it can be gaming, it is not just a stunt for publicity. He likes to do things like that, even though he knows he doesn't need to (in his position as King of the Hill) but, if you notice, there is ALWAYS method to the madness, and it almost NEVER is about Michael Jackson. People always "tsk tsk" at his (presumed massive :lol: ) ego, but it is not his own importance which motivates him.  It is always others. The ignored, the oppressed ,the unloved, the endangered, those left out of rightful dreams.

Right now, he (yeah, it is he) has jostled awake the old rumors that he was murdered for his catalog. (That catalog, truthfully, is safer than if it were being guarded by rabid dogs, deep underground, at Fort Knox.  :roll:   8-) ) It is all "part of the game", even though it is not all "game". A Master Storyteller, he is whipping up the Frenzy, again. :o  :?

It is good to be involved and get in there and care. But I think he is trying to show us things, about maybe, how we can be TOO easily mislead (and paralyzed) by our "emotions on fiction", instead of simply sniffing out and following the truth--if any, in a media release.  

He is not a victim. This is Fiction. He is coming back. Just enjoy MJ's new spinetingling Thriller.

Get hold of yourself and don't let creepy things rattle you until you fall apart in real life. We can do this. We need to. TPTB love to keep us in a state of low-grade panic, in real life, so we will buy everything we see, and serve no one who needs us---only ourselves...I beLIEve MJ's genius interactive Fiction is an experiment in, amongst other things, terror, to desensitize us to TPTB lies!!

MJ is not so much Hoaxer as HERO. Like Superman, he is attempting to reverse the direction of the planet. (With his"dying" instead of flying ;) .) He can't do it by himself. Or with a disheartened army. Cheer up Love never fails, it always wins!  :D
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Emily Hutjes on January 16, 2011, 05:10:19 AM
I agree with Badkolo that this hoax might be a publicity stunt. MJJ's alleged death most certainly was uniquely wrapped up in mysteries, that much has become clear. I hope this hoax was set in motion by those who would financially benefit by his death. If MJJ set this up himself I would be disappointed, because how many fans suffered from his death?! How much work did the people that run this site put into trying to figure out what could have happened to MJJ?!  All sadness, all research, work and all this because of a publicity stunt?!  Michael the genius, the next Jezus saving this world, the lovable man etc. needs this kind of a publicity stunt? I hope, if this is a publicity stunt, that TMZ, Sony etc. pulled this off and not MJJ himself. I would not be able to appreciate any person who pulls such a publicity stunt just to get attention and money.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Its her on January 17, 2011, 01:00:02 AM
Quote from: "Emily Hutjes"
I agree with Badkolo that this hoax might be a publicity stunt. MJJ's alleged death most certainly was uniquely wrapped up in mysteries, that much has become clear. I hope this hoax was set in motion by those who would financially benefit by his death. If MJJ set this up himself I would be disappointed, because how many fans suffered from his death?! How much work did the people that run this site put into trying to figure out what could have happened to MJJ?!  All sadness, all research, work and all this because of a publicity stunt?!  Michael the genius, the next Jezus saving this world, the lovable man etc. needs this kind of a publicity stunt? I hope, if this is a publicity stunt, that TMZ, Sony etc. pulled this off and not MJJ himself. I would not be able to appreciate any person who pulls such a publicity stunt just to get attention and money.

Well...

I cried, like everyone else. I have spent hours and hours, adding up to months of my life, examining his puzzle, without injury. It was my choice to jump in. If it all comes to naught as a great mind and ego's self indulgent whim, at least we can all thank him that, as exercizing one's brains keep them working years and years longer than those who do not work them as hard, we have all staved off senility for a decade!

MJ has done us NO wrong, even if it was all a profitable trick. And, even if some kind of sadistic payback joke (which, it is not), for years of fans keeping him trapped indoors, the joke would be on him. We came together over him and found some things in many directions, which we needed to know, desperately. We profit daily, hourly, from our contact with each other, and all the education and exchange of ideas, here. We may seriously have gotten a grip on our own future Freedom, after decades of sleeping through oppression and lies.

I just want to say that none of his fans are actually seriously suffering. Come on... :) We can have compassion on people we have never met, but suffering is reserved for people who actually are aquainted with and know personally, the "deceased". Those who have realized actual loss. We, who did not know him, haven't lost anything. We still have his pictures, short films, and he "left" years of music to be released. We never would have spoken with or touched him, r e a l l y, anyway, right?

He has a completely private life which we were never a part of. And, he has grown older, as have we all. (Now, there is something to cry about :x , but on second thought, don't waste the time; it will not change anything.)
 
If fans would simply read the information on this site, there is more than anyone needs to become a BeLIEver that he did not even die. Fan suffering isn't even a part of this adventure. It doesn't even make sense that he would create more suffering in a world he always lamented there was already too much of. If anything, he may be trying to open our eyes to real true suffering, outside of ourselves.

Not to put any burden on anyone, just for perspective's sake, this is suffering: in the people of Haiti, that a whole year after the earthquake, the world news simply marked the day as the "Anniversary", and mentioned that in a whole year, not too much progress has been made with recovery efforts. I have no answers for this. I do not know what to do, miles and miles out of it. It just brings home to me, that people in that earthquake probably cried over Michael Jackson, too, at least on June 25 2009, and now don't even have the luxury of giving him a single tear----too busy burying their dead and crying over the real suffering of each new day.

Don't be so quick to get mad at MJ for this Hoax. He's a literal saint, but he's not, "the next savior of the world" . He never said he was---just because he appears to be that fearless...(We already have the One---Jesus, and He hasn't retired or been replaced!). MJ said he can't do it by himself. It could be a man's cry for help...

However, MJ IS The Greatest Entertainer Who Ever Lived. Admit it---you cannot beat this Adventure/Thriller, 8-)  for pure entertainment value, no matter how many doubts you have :!:  
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: trustno1 on January 17, 2011, 07:09:19 AM
Well said, I cried a lot too but the niggling doubts started very soon after the reports started contradicting themselves.  After a short while of trying to convince myself I was in denial I realised that common sense had to win out.  I'm not upset with MJ for doing this, after all, it's MJ we're talking about and that was one of my first thoughts after considering this might be a hoax.  It is MJ we're talking about.  If it was anyone else I'd say unlikely but that fact together with all the evidence tells me this is his hoax, planned by him, with good reason.  Those who didn't start to doubt it was true but remained steeped in grief either didn't realise just who they were mourning and what he was capable of on a world stage or were blinded by their loss and oblivious to the blatant clues.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: GINAFELICIA on January 17, 2011, 07:55:12 AM
it's a hoax within a hoax within a hoax..... hoaxes all around...
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Its her on January 17, 2011, 08:24:31 AM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
it's a hoax within a hoax within a hoax..... hoaxes all around...
Yeah it is, thank you for saying it just like that :!: Now... :?

"Brace yourself" :o  8-) (as Michael, himself said to!)
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: letstalkagain on January 17, 2011, 02:08:04 PM
it is entirely possible!   The more you keep his name out there, the more money you can make!  The always said there is no good or bad publicity, only publicity!!    Since Branca was the one who helped Michael achieve monumental fame status, perhaps we are just seeing Brancas work again, which is what we thought was Michales style.  Maybe Branca and MJ styles are one in the same.]
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: GINAFELICIA on January 17, 2011, 11:46:05 PM
Quote from: "Its her"
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
it's a hoax within a hoax within a hoax..... hoaxes all around...
Yeah it is, thank you for saying it just like that :!: Now... :?

"Brace yourself" :o  8-) (as Michael, himself said to!)

Brace yourself....I am not quite sure about the meaning but sounds like a good advice and I guess from time to time we must remember to brace ourselves....
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Its her on January 18, 2011, 05:09:07 AM
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
Quote from: "Its her"
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
it's a hoax within a hoax within a hoax..... hoaxes all around...
Yeah it is, thank you for saying it just like that :!: Now... :?

"Brace yourself" :o  8-) (as Michael, himself said to!)

Brace yourself....I am not quite sure about the meaning but sounds like a good advice and I guess from time to time we must remember to brace ourselves....

You know? I'm not so sure about the meaning either, but, MJ has it on two videos, right before a giant fist throws a punch right between the eyes of anyone watching these :!:  :o . One was at the beginning of the HIStory [/u]video set, so I thought he meant, "Brace yourself to be wildly entertained, by these short films.", but the one with the punch is at the very end of the second HIStory on Film video set, after everything(?? :?  :shock: ) is over.

I am beLIEving that he meant "Brace yourselves for the coming Hoaxed death!!"; remember, once he said we ain't seen NOthing, YET! For some reason, this calls to mind the picture of MJ holding on for dear life, to those snags in the Earth Song film...I hope things don't get THAT wild. :?   :)  
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@Letstalkagain,  

Branca is a very clever attorney, possibly a genius (and a similar nut) in his own right.

But...MJ is the promotional genius. MJ is the Showman. MJ is the Sparkle, Bells and Whistles :!:  :!: And MJ was the Innovator of music and dance, as a child prodigy, years before Branca was out of college.

Michael Jackson is the gift we can't get enough of! 8-)
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: For All Time on January 18, 2011, 06:03:07 AM
I don't care about  the reasons as long as Michael and his children are well & happy.Hope he will come back soon, cos we miss him like crazy, don't we ? Love you Mike  :)
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: Datroot on January 18, 2011, 06:13:41 AM
We've seen the kids looking well and happy so all we need now is to see MJ :mrgreen:
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: mmz on January 18, 2011, 03:26:36 PM
this is the main question for me also...The hoax should be a hoax.
The clues in TII editing can have been studied on purpose ... for creating the legend. And family also is possible is working on that.
TMZ also, gets more attention now that it seems involved in the hoax.
We must consider also this chance,I agree.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: GINAFELICIA on January 19, 2011, 12:51:19 PM
Quote from: "mmz"
this is the main question for me also...The hoax should be a hoax.
The clues in TII editing can have been studied on purpose ... for creating the legend. And family also is possible is working on that.
TMZ also, gets more attention now that it seems involved in the hoax.
We must consider also this chance,I agree.

everything is possible.... in case he is dead Jermaine is big liar.... it's him who said this is really not it!! not to mention the airport ...
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: MJonmind on April 11, 2011, 02:53:37 PM
Like someone else already said I would be happy even if he did it for recognition, because I'd be happy just to have him back again. I unfortunately wasn't paying any attention to him the first 50 years of his life (out of ignorance), and now only after he's "gone". It would be a second chance for many millions around the world to enjoy him and his genius.
Title: Re: What If The Hoax Is A Hoax?
Post by: heartphantom on April 29, 2011, 05:55:51 PM
I have thought of every possibility, including this one. And i believe there is an original hoax and other faked ones :lol: The original is Michael's of course and the false paths of the hoax belong to others. That's why at some moments i got stucked and things didn't match. Now i don't connect everything with the ORIGINAL hoax anymore. The perspective should be clean.
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