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Title: Neverland?
Post by: MeandMyShadow on March 04, 2010, 10:53:07 AM
I was going through my notebook on thoughts of things and maybe this has already been covered somewhere else, but...what was all the concrete for at Neverland, a while back.  Is there anything new, such as photos of the property since MJ's *death*?
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: deepu priyanka on March 04, 2010, 11:17:11 AM
HEY EVEN I FELL STRANGE ABOUT THE CONCRETE THING.  WHY THEY NEEDED CONCRETE ALL OF A    SUDDEN... WHAT FOR?
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: Disco on March 04, 2010, 12:37:11 PM
Yeah!!! I would love to know more of what is going on at "Neverland"   ;)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: Victor on March 04, 2010, 12:52:38 PM
get a mini helicopter or a rc car and put a cam on it xD !! ffs
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: Kirsche on March 04, 2010, 01:05:03 PM
Quote from: "deepu priyanka"
HEY EVEN I FELL STRANGE ABOUT THE CONCRETE THING.  WHY THEY NEEDED CONCRETE ALL OF A    SUDDEN... WHAT FOR?

Not only Concrete was delivered...they worked almost all night at neverland...delivered flowers etc.

But the video doesn't exixts anymore on that TMZ Page, and also not on Youtube  :evil:
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: XspeechlessX on March 04, 2010, 01:52:35 PM
Quote from: "Victor"
get a mini helicopter or a rc car and put a cam on it xD !! ffs


OMG !!!! Someone DOOO that!!!!!

Thats the best idea ever !!!!

Send a remote control helicopter in and video it!! Oh god I so wish I lived in america.. i have one of them!!  :evil:

(Im not joking.... I actually would)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: Disco on March 04, 2010, 02:00:38 PM
How about "Google Earth"?????????   :)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: tabloidburn on March 04, 2010, 02:37:22 PM
well, usually concrete is used to repair roads, isn't it? like they're expecting traffic anytime soon?  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: topsecretgirl on March 04, 2010, 02:41:18 PM
I'm going to ask TMZ live tonight, maybe they can answer us! :lol:
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: jill on March 04, 2010, 05:40:17 PM
Quote from: "Disco"
How about "Google Earth"?????????   :)

I tried google earth on another Neverland thread.  It will only give you an arial view.  I know...it sucks.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: MeandMyShadow on March 04, 2010, 05:49:13 PM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
well, usually concrete is used to repair roads, isn't it? like they're expecting traffic anytime soon?  :mrgreen:


That makes sense.  Considering, at first, they were thinking of having the memorial there, rather than Staples.  Perhaps all the concrete was to pave roads and all the flowers and stuff were for the memorial, but then was moved to Staples.  I mean the flowers , etc., obviously not the concrete (Iol)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: smoothcriminal on March 04, 2010, 06:49:38 PM
Maybe just a thought that Michael is actually laid to rest there.  
I'm on the fence on if he is alive or not, I have been.
Now don't go getting all in a tizzy on me. Its just a thought.
I like what I have read here and everyone has great ideas on what could of happened, and I
do hope Michael is alive, I really do, been a fan of his for 30 yrs.
Nothing would be more of a BAM then Michael coming back at some point and everyone with a look of  :o on their face.
But what if he is actually not alive and is laid to rest at Neverland, and Forest Lawn is just a decoy.
It would make sense not to have anyone but family know where he is.  Yes Michael did not want to go back there to live after his trial, if the fans and media knew he was there, can you imagine the chaos and traffic that would take place.   Its a peaceful place and he did love it there, but then again he could actually be alive and hiding out there, and that was another thought of mine, for some reason Neverland comes to play in this somehow, someway.
That is just my thought................

Next.....
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: MeandMyShadow on March 04, 2010, 07:37:55 PM
I have always thought that if he is alive (oh, God how I hope that is TRUE) he is hiding out at Neverland.  We haven't seen any new pics of the place, nor mention of it as far as that goes.  It's close to family, but not too close.  

On the other hand, wouldn't you think some zealous fans would have tried to scope that out by now?  I know if I lived out in California, I'd at least try.  Could have security out there keeping people out.  

I mean, who actually owns it now?  

 :?:
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: 2 Bad on March 04, 2010, 08:20:53 PM
Yes what did they need that concrete for?
Don't forget the mentioning of Michael's casket being incased in concrete yet he is "in" a crypt at Forest Lawn. No need for concrete.
I don't like where that is going since I believe HE IS ALIVE.
Darn bummer thoughts invading my happy place!!!!

I Love you  Michael!
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: MeandMyShadow on March 04, 2010, 09:47:24 PM
Interesting find on Neverland.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... unity.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/man-who-controls-neverland-sends-open-letter-to-community.html)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: andy1andy2 on March 04, 2010, 11:49:36 PM
I mentioned on another post about Neverland how I went there in January and how you can only go up to the gate and no further.Yes there are security guards keeping an eye on everyone that shows up through a security camera. And believe me that security camera is pointed right at you the whole time you are there.You cannot see the guards  but you can hear them,they sit in a small guard house right inside the gate. I thought they would come out an ask us to leave when we started picking flowers,but they didn't.   We hung around there for about one hour reading the messages that fans wrote on the walls and taking pictures.    Finding Neverland was an adventure in itself.(to long of a story to get into).  But I can say that the residents that we came in contact with were all very friendly and cordial.     Also there were no signs reading Neverland where they used to be. There was a sign reading welcome to Sycamore Valley ranch.        Being there did make me feel close to Michael its an experience that I will cherish in my heart forever.   I would post pictures if I knew how.    :)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: MeandMyShadow on March 05, 2010, 08:31:14 AM
Quote from: "andy1andy2"
I mentioned on another post about Neverland how I went there in January and how you can only go up to the gate and no further.Yes there are security guards keeping an eye on everyone that shows up through a security camera. And believe me that security camera is pointed right at you the whole time you are there.You cannot see the guards  but you can hear them,they sit in a small guard house right inside the gate. I thought they would come out an ask us to leave when we started picking flowers,but they didn't.   We hung around there for about one hour reading the messages that fans wrote on the walls and taking pictures.    Finding Neverland was an adventure in itself.(to long of a story to get into).  But I can say that the residents that we came in contact with were all very friendly and cordial.     Also there were no signs reading Neverland where they used to be. There was a sign reading welcome to Sycamore Valley ranch.        Being there did make me feel close to Michael its an experience that I will cherish in my heart forever.   I would post pictures if I knew how.    :)


I went there about 17 years ago.  I know what you mean about being an adventure to find (lol)  Back then, there was no signs or anything showing the way there.  We had to stop in a video store in town and they told us how to get there.  As I recall, you pass a lot of pasture land and then there is a school back there on the road leading to Neverland.  If you keep going on the road and it leads you up to the top of a hill, you can look down and see it.  But the road gets really windy and narrow.  

Anyway, I will treasure my trip there as well.  Didn't get to go in, but at least I sensed where he lived :-)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: techdiva on March 05, 2010, 08:54:53 AM
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "deepu priyanka"
HEY EVEN I FELL STRANGE ABOUT THE CONCRETE THING.  WHY THEY NEEDED CONCRETE ALL OF A    SUDDEN... WHAT FOR?

Not only Concrete was delivered...they worked almost all night at neverland...delivered flowers etc.

But the video doesn't exixts anymore on that TMZ Page, and also not on Youtube  :evil:
I found an article on the old forum about the 32,000 tons of concrete delivered at Neverland
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/why-was-32000-tons-of-concrete-delivered-to-neverland-on-30th-june-t3783.htm?highlight=neverland
Here's TMZ's article
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/concrete-evidence-found-at-neverland/

I have been thinking about that lately.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: MFFreedom on March 05, 2010, 09:33:27 AM
OOh, exciting to read from some of you having been there! :D
I've been there myself just last December with my friend and it really helped feeling close to Michael. It was around 4 PM when we got there, kind of cold and cloudy, yet as we arrived there, the sun came out. I never forget how beautyfully quiet is was. A real wonderful spot to live.

Anyways, as I got there with my friend, we stopped our car right in front of the gate thinking that nobody lived there ANYway, when suddenly 2 young guards got out of the littel house inside on the right and asked through the gate, if they could be of help. We told them we were just looking around, remembering Michael. They were absolutely OK, nice and KIND of outgoing - yet not too much - and just asked us to move the car away from the entrance (duh!) due to  a lot of coming and going   :shock:  So I casually said, of course we'd move our car away and then I asked them in a yet again casually mode: ''So there's a new owner then, huh? And they answered, 'No'.  :shock: Of course I wanted to know why then there was supposedly so much coming and going when there was no new owner. They just said, they were not allowed to talk about it.  Go figure ...  :? My friend and I just looked at each other like, HUH?!
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: tabloidburn on March 05, 2010, 09:41:04 AM
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
well, usually concrete is used to repair roads, isn't it? like they're expecting traffic anytime soon?  :mrgreen:


That makes sense.  Considering, at first, they were thinking of having the memorial there, rather than Staples.  Perhaps all the concrete was to pave roads and all the flowers and stuff were for the memorial, but then was moved to Staples.  I mean the flowers , etc., obviously not the concrete (Iol)


i also got to think that concrete might also be used for 'protecting' in terms of any rays and stuff. cell phones or any radio waves or whatever cannot be detected through concrete. you would have to use landlines then or internet (skype etc.). concrete makes tracking very difficult.  that could support the theory of michael hiding there...since he said himself, he wouldn't go back there to live, it would be a place where people wouldn't suspect him...just an idea that came to my head... :?
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: MeandMyShadow on March 05, 2010, 09:55:06 AM
Quote from: "MFFreedom"
OOh, exciting to read from some of you having been there! :D
I've been there myself just last December with my friend and it really helped feeling close to Michael. It was around 4 PM when we got there, kind of cold and cloudy, yet as we arrived there, the sun came out. I never forget how beautyfully quiet is was. A real wonderful spot to live.

Anyways, as I got there with my friend, we stopped our car right in front of the gate thinking that nobody lived there ANYway, when suddenly 2 young guards got out of the littel house inside on the right and asked through the gate, if they could be of help. We told them we were just looking around, remembering Michael. They were absolutely OK, nice and KIND of outgoing - yet not too much - and just asked us to move the car away from the entrance (duh!) due to  a lot of coming and going   :shock:  So I casually said, of course we'd move our car away and then I asked them in a yet again casually mode: ''So there's a new owner then, huh? And they answered, 'No'.  :shock: Of course I wanted to know why then there was supposedly so much coming and going when there was no new owner. They just said, they were not allowed to talk about it.  Go figure ...  :? My friend and I just looked at each other like, HUH?!


Oh, this sounds interesting!  Why would they not be allowed to talk about anything, if there was a new owner?  Could the new owner have bought the property, but somehow, it is still MJ's as well?  Or, perhaps it never really was sold after all?  It's a all lies of the media and MJ really still owns it?  

I have always thought, if he is alive, what better place to hide.  A place where it's thought that he doesn't own, never wants to live there again anyway.  

Just seems like Neverland is gonig to figure into a big piece of this puzzle.  Or maybe I am just hoping out loud :-)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: andy1andy2 on March 05, 2010, 10:06:13 AM
OH NO! I didn't know about that hill  where you can go up and look down into Neverland I will have to go again soon and this time I will bring my binoculars and look around for clues. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: deepu priyanka on March 05, 2010, 12:36:06 PM
Quote from: "techdiva"
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "deepu priyanka"
HEY EVEN I FELL STRANGE ABOUT THE CONCRETE THING.  WHY THEY NEEDED CONCRETE ALL OF A    SUDDEN... WHAT FOR?

Not only Concrete was delivered...they worked almost all night at neverland...delivered flowers etc.

But the video doesn't exixts anymore on that TMZ Page, and also not on Youtube  :evil:
I found an article on the old forum about the 32,000 tons of concrete delivered at Neverland
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/why-was-32000-tons-of-concrete-delivered-to-neverland-on-30th-june-t3783.htm?highlight=neverland
Here's TMZ's article
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/concrete-evidence-found-at-neverland/

I have been thinking about that lately.
hey ialso read somewhere that concrete was delivered to NL BEFORE M J DEATH N ALSO N.L WAS SUDDENLY GUSSIED UP WHICH WAS NOT MAINTAINED FOR LONG TIME. WHAT R...... MAY BE MJ IS HIDING THERE. THOUGHT SO.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: Kirsche on March 05, 2010, 04:35:35 PM
Quote from: "techdiva"
Quote from: "Kirsche"
Quote from: "deepu priyanka"
HEY EVEN I FELL STRANGE ABOUT THE CONCRETE THING.  WHY THEY NEEDED CONCRETE ALL OF A    SUDDEN... WHAT FOR?

Not only Concrete was delivered...they worked almost all night at neverland...delivered flowers etc.

But the video doesn't exixts anymore on that TMZ Page, and also not on Youtube  :evil:
I found an article on the old forum about the 32,000 tons of concrete delivered at Neverland
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/why-was-32000-tons-of-concrete-delivered-to-neverland-on-30th-june-t3783.htm?highlight=neverland
Here's TMZ's article
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/concrete-evidence-found-at-neverland/

I have been thinking about that lately.

thank you for finding it. but the videos is still missing, wonder why
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: XspeechlessX on March 05, 2010, 04:48:12 PM
Please someone do the helicopter thing... someone here has to have an rc helicopter.. come onnn !!!!

 :D

I will beg...

 :!:
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 05, 2010, 07:58:47 PM
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
Interesting find on Neverland.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... unity.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/man-who-controls-neverland-sends-open-letter-to-community.html)

Thankyou so much for posting this. Tom Barrack is a shrewd businessman, and this is his next project. His first project was Michael Jackson Live......so this will have to do. The letter is fast work considering it's been only 5 days since MJ died. You just have to wonder why Jermaine really wanted MJ buried at Neverland. Is Thome Thome still around? Perhaps Jermaine had already mooted this idea with Thome and Barrack? Jermaine is the link, no?
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: word on March 05, 2010, 09:48:15 PM
It really doesn't matter,Michael is not there and he said he would never go back and he kept his word.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: loma on March 05, 2010, 11:44:56 PM
^  :roll:
And Michael told you this?
Please watch your wording.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: Jennie on March 05, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Quote from: "Victor"
get a mini helicopter or a rc car and put a cam on it xD !! ffs

Funny you brought up the idea of a helicopter. I already posted this on another thread in regards to neverland... I was reading the Rabbi's book and he said in there in a question directed at Michael that Michael had helicopter. :roll:  Just really made me wonder about the helicopter's we've seen so far in regards to june 25th and all that medical coroner stuff.

I think if Michael did have helicopters, they we're involved somehow on that day...Just cant quite figure out how or why or what exacly yet. :lol:  

Anyone have thoughts on this????? :roll:
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: Jennie on March 06, 2010, 12:17:44 AM
MeandmyShadow
wrote :

Quote
Oh, this sounds interesting! Why would they not be allowed to talk about anything, if there was a new owner? Could the new owner have bought the property, but somehow, it is still MJ's as well? Or, perhaps it never really was sold after all? It's a all lies of the media and MJ really still owns it?

If there was a new owner, I really dont see how this person could resist bragging about it or for that matter how the story of the sale would have not been sold out to a media source. Especially at a time where the topic is so hot. :?

There is also a hunch I have that is very strong but I have nothing really to back it but I'll share it anyway with you guys. I think there could have been secret rooms that have been built underground right under the living part of Neverland Ranch. I watch a lot of history shows on the history channel and the Freemasons, during the period where they we're freeing black people from slavery, we're building underground secret rooms and tunnels to hide the slaves until they could safely get them out so they could escape. The show also explained how free masons had a secret code of language wich every member could understand. Like : If there is a house with a white cheminee and a clothes line in such a place it's safe to come in.... I dont think that was the exact meaning of it, I really cant remember cause I was still in AWE at the small underground hideout's and tunnels when they we're briefly giving details of their secret language code. And the last detail I remember about the show was that the Masons ans escaped/saved slaves would be on the move through the night. Correct me if I'm wrong please but isn't Michael said to be a freemason? And didn't he like to read up on such stories of our history?
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: MJonmind on March 06, 2010, 01:16:20 AM
Just remembering the Bel Aire mansion (very ritzy posh with online slide show) that the news article said MJ was considering buying, and there was a underground "bat cave" that really appealed to the 3 kids. Then there was a news artlcle on a home MJ supposed bought in Dubai that also had an underground bat cave or system of living area. Just like the hero in V for Vendetta he lives in an underground large apartment, like Batman. Maybe these articles were hinting instead that Michael was really living somewhere-- in an underground place (like maybe NL?)  Also remember the video posted a while back (maybe on the old MJHD) of these german girls visiting Neverland shortly after his death, and someone delivered a horse -- for Michael to ride around maybe??  MJ owning his own helicopter, could very well be. It would come in handy getting to and from Neverland to places quickly without fans and paps bothering him. There's no runway at NL is there for a jet? Someone said MJ had his own firetruck that he used for things and now helicopter--he has everything for the hoax, coroner van??
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: steffmaster1 on March 06, 2010, 05:40:52 AM
my friends went there after he died and stayed in a car outside over night they said things were happening there in early hours of the morning trucks going in work going on etc they thougt that was strange i reckon thats when they started restoring it i heard somehwhere the family wanted it back the way it was before wonder why!!
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: teine21 on March 06, 2010, 06:19:59 AM
I know it sucks to think like this, I believe he is alive.
But the only thing I thought when I first heard about this with the concrete & flowers is he is buried there  :(
But then I got to thinking & burying someone & making a mausoleum or something wouldn't take 32, 000 TONS of concrete, that's a heck of a lot of concrete!! I got my faith back with that thought :mrgreen: & the security guards, what are they guarding? Better yet who & why?? It's not like anyone can get in, so why are they there all the time? I still flashback to Jermaine saying they had plans to "Bring Neverland back to life." & another brother said they had plans for Neverland too.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 06, 2010, 09:26:37 AM
But why would you want to bury your brother on a property owned by someone else?
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: Kirsche on March 06, 2010, 10:09:33 AM
Wasn't this Landing helicopter story at Neverland brought up by TMZ ??

Copters Land at Neverland -- Not Jackson's Body

Posted Jul 7th 2009 9:50PM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson Neverland RanchA helicopter landed at Neverland Ranch just a short while ago -- and another just hovered -- but Michael Jackson's body wasn't in either of them.

Here's what we do know: it was part of some kind of interview about the ownership of Neverland, done by a media outlet that will air tomorrow. They requested to use Neverland as the backdrop and permission was granted.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/07/copters-l ... z0hPgj2r0L (http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/07/copters-land-at-neverland-not-jacksons-body/8#ixzz0hPgj2r0L)


so..does anyone had seen this interview? It wasn't the LK interview with Jermain, that was earlier? So anyone knows?  


Remember: It's TMZ who brought up the story ;)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: MeandMyShadow on March 06, 2010, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: "loma"
^  :roll:
And Michael told you this?
Please watch your wording.
Exactly, I agree  :)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: Kirsche on March 06, 2010, 12:51:18 PM
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
Quote from: "loma"
^  :roll:
And Michael told you this?
Please watch your wording.
Exactly, I agree  :)

agree!

I've never heard him sayin that himself...
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: steffmaster1 on March 06, 2010, 01:11:43 PM
threatened - never neverland thats the place

the ghost was at neverland cnn witth brandon mj was there is his ghosts outfit too!! 8-)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: Raven on March 06, 2010, 02:37:39 PM
Quote from: "teine21"
I know it sucks to think like this, I believe he is alive.
But the only thing I thought when I first heard about this with the concrete & flowers is he is buried there  :(
But then I got to thinking & burying someone & making a mausoleum or something wouldn't take 32, 000 TONS of concrete, that's a heck of a lot of concrete!! I got my faith back with that thought :mrgreen: & the security guards, what are they guarding? Better yet who & why?? It's not like anyone can get in, so why are they there all the time? I still flashback to Jermaine saying they had plans to "Bring Neverland back to life." & another brother said they had plans for Neverland too.
Maybe it's visible on recent satellite pictures, via Google Earth for instance
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: the arabian nights on March 06, 2010, 02:39:30 PM
Quote from: "word"
It really doesn't matter,Michael is not there and he said he would never go back and he kept his word.

wasnt mike there during the trial

i read that somewhere - i thought that was strange
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: tabloidburn on March 06, 2010, 06:03:47 PM
what did i say?  :mrgreen:  they're doin' the roads! neverland is getting a polish-up!  :mrgreen: total overhaul!

can't post the pic here (board full!), but there was a recent photo on elusiveshadow.com which is not listed within their neverland photgraphs, i can't seem to find it anymore. it popped up on the side where they show a different pic each time you change the page and i clicked on it without seeing where they stored it. i saved it to my comp, though. it was clearly visible that they had machinery out there to fix the roads, including those concrete delivery trucks. and there were some more pics where you could see that the grounds were recently cleaned and further work is being done. re-opening soon?  :mrgreen: i think it would be great if it stayed an amusement park for deprived kids. maybe turn the main house into a 'hotel' for the kids, with theme rooms, kiddie menus, nannies and everything else fun. keep michaeling...:mrgreen:
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: MeandMyShadow on March 06, 2010, 08:38:05 PM
Quote from: "QuirkyDiana"
But why would you want to bury your brother on a property owned by someone else?

Bingo, as we Americans would say!  WHY indeed, would  you want to bury him there if the property is somebody elses.  Either that was just a sham about burying him there, or the property still belongs to MJ or his family some how.

This makes me think all the more that he is still alive.  

"Can ya feel it?  Can ya fell it?  CAN YOU FEEL IT?    :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: LoveShyMichael on March 06, 2010, 08:52:21 PM
I know Michael had said that Neverland was "tainted", because of the child molestation charges. He was advised from his lawyer to vacate Neverland because of the "attraction it has for children" that he would be opening himself up to future allegations. And I do recall him saying in interviews that he wouldn't return to Neverland. That with the cops searching it, it took away his feeling of being secured, and innosense of the whole home.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: MeandMyShadow on March 06, 2010, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: "LoveShyMichael"
I know Michael had said that Neverland was "tainted", because of the child molestation charges. He was advised from his lawyer to vacate Neverland because of the "attraction it has for children" that he would be opening himself up to future allegations. And I do recall him saying in interviews that he wouldn't return to Neverland. That with the cops searching it, it took away his feeling of being secured, and innosense of the whole home.


Could have been said as part of the hoax, even back then.  What better place to hide?  He stated that he never would return there.   It makes perfect sense to hide out there.   Just to hideout, not to make his permanent home.   Just a thought, nothing to back up the idea.

Or, perhaps the Jacksons are fixing it up as it was before, to make it like a Graceland?  I hope that is not the case.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: StargazerMJ11 on March 06, 2010, 09:19:07 PM
I've been wondering about the concrete for months now & there was also the video of Katherine Jackson buying camping gear just after that - anyone remember ?
Could be connected - or I'm reaching - worth a thought though :D
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: loma on March 06, 2010, 09:43:18 PM
Google hasn't made a satellite image of Neverland in a while..
 :(
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: mykidsmum on March 06, 2010, 10:04:34 PM
Hey guys, just a couple things to add, and I don't remember where I got this info, if I remember I will update.  The first is that MJ was told to leave Neverland by Mesaro and others of his team because LAPD and Tom Sneddon would NEVER let him rest and would be on his case looking at him with a magnifying glass.  This is why he left.  MJ said he would never LIVE there again but WOULD visit and he also said he would never sell it.  OK, now for the weird thing.  Someone said that you have to be careful of what you say or what you do around neverland because you may think MJ is not around but he has a hiding place (NOT HIS GIVING TREE...LOL) that he can be in the open but hidden and know everything and see everything that is going on...  When I heard that, I thought of some sort of control room, microphones or something.  Video cameras that are in the "open" but concealed...I'm sure he had some way of seeing how his fans were having fun on his property without having to be with them all the time.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: MeandMyShadow on March 07, 2010, 01:09:42 AM
This is sort of old, but I googled this to see if there is anything going on at Neverland and it came up with this thread.  Unfortunately, the website is down for maintenance, but I will copy in what google came up with.  Maybe the site will be up later to get the full story.

Shocker: Neverland to open as Graceland-type theme park
Sep 9, 2009 ... the J ackson clan and the owners of Neverland Ranch will be going in together to revamp the place as a Graceland-esque amusement park.
[url]www.examiner.com/x-1994-LA-Celebrity-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m9d9-Shocker-Neverland-to-open-as-Gracelandtype-theme-park - [url]

Sounds like another Graceland  :roll:
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: tabloidburn on March 07, 2010, 04:38:25 AM
here's the pic i found on 'elusiveshadows.com', obvious roadwork. on other pics, everything looked really clean and polished, not like someone hasn't been there for years... :mrgreen: :

[attachment=0:2v87tfs8]michael-jackson-neverland-11[1].jpg[/attachment:2v87tfs8]
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: Michaelangela on March 07, 2010, 04:48:39 AM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
what did i say?  :mrgreen:  they're doin' the roads! neverland is getting a polish-up!  :mrgreen: total overhaul!

can't post the pic here (board full!), but there was a recent photo on elusiveshadow.com which is not listed within their neverland photgraphs, i can't seem to find it anymore. it popped up on the side where they show a different pic each time you change the page and i clicked on it without seeing where they stored it. i saved it to my comp, though. it was clearly visible that they had machinery out there to fix the roads, including those concrete delivery trucks. and there were some more pics where you could see that the grounds were recently cleaned and further work is being done. re-opening soon?  :mrgreen: i think it would be great if it stayed an amusement park for deprived kids. maybe turn the main house into a 'hotel' for the kids, with theme rooms, kiddie menus, nannies and everything else fun. keep michaeling...:mrgreen:


Great idea! You know ''when the cat is not home, the mouses are dancing'' :lol:
My son would love that, although it's far from Europe, I would take him there....
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 07, 2010, 08:06:44 AM
Who can deny the development going on at Neverland if it really is going on? But Tom Barrack owns this place and was charged with developing it. It could easily be that Barrack is doing just this - developing it?
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: word on March 07, 2010, 08:12:03 AM
Quote from: "loma"
^  :roll:
And Michael told you this?
Please watch your wording.




And Michael told you this,Neverland  was not his home anymore and he would never return,if you call yourself a Michael Jackson fan ,then you would know this,so maybe you need to watch your wording.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: word on March 07, 2010, 08:15:48 AM
Quote from: "word"
Quote from: "loma"
^  :roll:
And Michael told you this?
Please watch your wording.




And Michael told you this,Neverland  was not his home anymore and he would never return,he said this during the 60 minute TV special that aired during the trial,I don't have to put words in Michael's mouth,if you call yourself a Michael Jackson fan,then you would know this,so maybe you need to watch your wording and do more research.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: MeandMyShadow on March 07, 2010, 09:30:06 AM
Ah, come on guys, lets not get catty about it.  We are all fans (unless you are just trolling the site) so lets get along.  Remember the L.O.V.E.  

None of us know for a fact, what is going on at Neverland.  All we can go by is...guess what... the media  :o   Some are more legit than others, but all in all, it's the media.

If people want to think he's at Neverland, what's the harm?  He could be.  Hasn't anyone ever heard of changing their minds?  Maybe he said what he said about not living there to throw people off the trail.  Or, maybe he really meant it and he isn't there.  Like somebody else pointed out on here, he said he would never live there, he also said he would still come visit.  Staying there and hiding out could be considered a visit, since it isn't going to be his permanent home.  

Hell, he might even really be dead.  I pray not, but there is that dreaded possibility.  

So, let's get along.  We are all in the same boat.  We all love him and miss him.  Let's take the adventure as one  :)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: steffmaster1 on March 07, 2010, 09:51:56 AM
michaels 45th bday speech he said hes gona make neverland more accessible to the fans that wasnt so long ago he may not have hated it that much after all!!! ;)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: XspeechlessX on March 07, 2010, 10:00:26 AM
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
here's the pic i found on 'elusiveshadows.com', obvious roadwork. on other pics, everything looked really clean and polished, not like someone hasn't been there for years... :mrgreen: :

[attachment=0:d3uby2ns]michael-jackson-neverland-11[1].jpg[/attachment:d3uby2ns]

When was this picture taken??

If im not mistaken at the bottom left is the bumper car tent... a recent picture showed this falling apart.. so if this is recent then it is being done up on a large scale.

All the records sold following his "death" sure would free up a bit of money to do that..!

 :D
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: MeandMyShadow on March 07, 2010, 10:09:54 AM
http://www.neverland4tc.com/index.php (http://www.neverland4tc.com/index.php)  If this doesn't show up as a clickable link, just type it into your browser and check it out.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: techdiva on March 07, 2010, 11:13:07 AM
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
http://www.neverland4tc.com/index.php  If this doesn't show up as a clickable link, just type it into your browser and check it out.
Thank you for the link. Neverland is so beautiful.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: youngatheart on March 07, 2010, 12:23:12 PM
hey guys I just found this.  I did a google search for Sycamore Valley Ranch and came across this article.  It seems that while Michael did transfer the deed to Neverland to cover his debt which means the property is no longer in his name, technically he still does own it since he is part owner of the company that bought it.

Here is the link
[urlhttp://nciblogs.com/bloguniquehomes/category/celebrities/][/url]
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: youngatheart on March 07, 2010, 12:24:36 PM
If the link doesn't work just copy and paste.  

Scroll all the way down for article
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: Datroot on March 07, 2010, 12:25:31 PM
Quote from: "youngatheart"
hey guys I just found this.  I did a google search for Sycamore Valley Ranch and came across this article.  It seems that while Michael did transfer the deed to Neverland to cover his debt which means the property is no longer in his name, technically he still does own it since he is part owner of the company that bought it.

Here is the link
[urlhttp://nciblogs.com/bloguniquehomes/category/celebrities/][/url]

Thank you - I did read that he part-owned Neverland last year.  He did say he would always have it - I think, if he's not there now, he will return there one day.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: MeandMyShadow on March 07, 2010, 12:29:16 PM
Thank you, Youngatheart.  Very informative article.  Guess he still owns it, or is part owner in any case  :)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: word on March 07, 2010, 12:48:38 PM
Quote from: "steffmaster1"
michaels 45th bday speech he said hes gona make neverland more accessible to the fans that wasnt so long ago he may not have hated it that much after all!!! ;)



I know, I was there,but that was before the LAPD  came to  his home and trashed it.By the time the trial was over,Michael had lost that loving feeling for Neverland and said he  would never return and he didn't,but it would have been nice for us fans  to have a place of fantasy created by Michael,peace.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: rasyte on March 07, 2010, 01:18:08 PM
I remember Michael saying   "Neverland is my house now, but not home.."  :roll:
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: 2 Bad on March 07, 2010, 03:11:34 PM
On the link of Haefner's photos, the 2nd photo titled "King of Pop" has a cash register below a painting. The cash register says 'cash'  $4.04. Why would it show an amount? The photo was taken Jan 20,2008.
4.04, maybe April 4th?? Just a thought!

http://scotthaefner.com/photos/place/Ne ... anch/2752/ (http://scotthaefner.com/photos/place/Neverland+Ranch/2752/)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: QuirkyDiana on March 07, 2010, 03:13:18 PM
MJ has a stake in Neverland, how much we don't know. But that fact doesn't really lead us anywhere.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: loma on March 07, 2010, 04:17:53 PM
Quote from: "word"
And Michael told you this,Neverland  was not his home anymore and he would never return,if you call yourself a Michael Jackson fan ,then you would know this,so maybe you need to watch your wording.

*sigh*  :roll:
There's no reason to get flippant.
Quote
It really doesn't matter,Michael is not there and he said he would never go back and he kept his word.
How do you know? Have you checked?
Also, I am a Michael Jackson fan, and I have seen the interview.
I know exactly what I'm saying, thank you.
Let's just be nice, mkay?
 ;)
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: tabloidburn on March 07, 2010, 05:01:19 PM
Quote from: "XspeechlessX"
Quote from: "tabloidburn"
here's the pic i found on 'elusiveshadows.com', obvious roadwork. on other pics, everything looked really clean and polished, not like someone hasn't been there for years... :mrgreen: :

[attachment=0:2s42gq5l]michael-jackson-neverland-11[1].jpg[/attachment:2s42gq5l]

When was this picture taken??

If im not mistaken at the bottom left is the bumper car tent... a recent picture showed this falling apart.. so if this is recent then it is being done up on a large scale.

All the records sold following his "death" sure would free up a bit of money to do that..!

 :D

like i said, the pic just popped up  as a 'recent' or new picture in terms of recently posted on that site. i havent't looked at the date it was made and i can't seem to find it there anymore. i just clicked on it and remembered that it was a topic here, so i saved that one. on the other one i saw there, you could see the merry-go-round (covered) and that all the paths around that were very clean, like renovated or newly done. weird... :? it looked to me that they were seriously fixing it up for something...maybe it has something to do with that disney movie 'return to neverland' and they'll use it for some festivity in connection with the movie.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: Believe 777 on March 07, 2010, 05:23:46 PM
Quote from: "2 Bad"
On the link of Haefner's photos, the 2nd photo titled "King of Pop" has a cash register below a painting. The cash register says 'cash'  $4.04. Why would it show an amount? The photo was taken Jan 20,2008.
4.04, maybe April 4th?? Just a thought!

http://scotthaefner.com/photos/place/Ne ... anch/2752/ (http://scotthaefner.com/photos/place/Neverland+Ranch/2752/)

Good find, there is something about this photo. The $4.04 cash and that painting is intriguing, I haven't seen this before. If anyone can enlarge it, that would be good. Finally it was taken in Neverland, which again seems significant.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: Believe 777 on March 07, 2010, 05:30:59 PM
This picture says 'lit in flashlight' underneath.
Edit, I don't think this is anything about the picture but how it was taken, sorry not connected.  :oops:
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: teine21 on March 07, 2010, 09:00:11 PM
Didn't someone say an anonymous buyer bought Neverland? Maybe MJ bought it back so that he OWNS all of it again & it's "anonymous" so that nobody will know it's his? He could have easily done that, it would be a great place to hideout, nobody (but us) would suspect it & it is so private nobody would know he's there.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: MeandMyShadow on March 07, 2010, 10:36:15 PM
Quote from: "teine21"
Didn't someone say an anonymous buyer bought Neverland? Maybe MJ bought it back so that he OWNS all of it again & it's "anonymous" so that nobody will know it's his? He could have easily done that, it would be a great place to hideout, nobody (but us) would suspect it & it is so private nobody would know he's there.

I agree, that would be the perfect hiding place.  Maybe BAM would take place there, down the road  :D What a comeback that would be.  Right in Sneddons face.  I doubt he is in office anymore, but I bet he's still in the county.

Anybody know of any word on Sneddon?  Has anyone interviewed him about the *passing* of MJ?  Just curious how he feels considering all the harassment he has done in the past.
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: hesouttamylife on March 29, 2011, 04:23:01 PM
Was there ever a follow-up to this article detailing what the concrete was actually used for?  
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/concrete-evidence-found-at-neverland/
Title: Re: Neverland?
Post by: clea on April 02, 2011, 04:44:11 AM
Quote from: "MeandMyShadow"
Quote from: "teine21"
Didn't someone say an anonymous buyer bought Neverland? Maybe MJ bought it back so that he OWNS all of it again & it's "anonymous" so that nobody will know it's his? He could have easily done that, it would be a great place to hideout, nobody (but us) would suspect it & it is so private nobody would know he's there.

I agree, that would be the perfect hiding place.  Maybe BAM would take place there, down the road  :D What a comeback that would be.  Right in Sneddons face.  I doubt he is in office anymore, but I bet he's still in the county.

Anybody know of any word on Sneddon?  Has anyone interviewed him about the *passing* of MJ?  Just curious how he feels considering all the harassment he has done in the past.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/200 ... -21480457/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/06/29/michael-jackson-s-sworn-enemy-over-child-abuse-investigation-tells-of-sadness-at-his-death-115875-21480457/)
Michael Jackson's 'sworn enemy' over child abuse investigation tells of sadness at his death
Exclusive By Martin Fricker in Santa Barbara 29/06/2009

The man described as Michael Jackson's sworn enemy said yesterday he was saddened by the superstar's death.

Santa Barbara District Attorney Tom Sneddon, 68, twice investigated the singer over child abuse claims - by Jordy Chandler then Gavin Arvizo - and was the main prosecutor in his 2005 trial.

Jackson made no secret of his hatred for Sneddon and accused him of a personal crusade to see him in jail.

The prosecutor got death threats from Jackson fans and was mocked on the HIStory album. The track DS has the lyric: "Dom Sheldon is a cold man" - which sounds like "Tom Sneddon is a cold man".

But yesterday Sneddon told the Mirror: "I'm trying to keep a dignified silence, but obviously it's sad. It's tragic. That's all I want to say."


Tom Sneddon SLAMMED on LIVE TV
Totally agree!  Sneddon should be brought to justice for falsifying evidence!

http://gracemj.wordpress.com/2010/05/20 ... n-live-tv/ (http://gracemj.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/tom-sneddon-slammed-on-live-tv/)
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