Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: DancingTheDream on March 13, 2010, 03:38:38 PM
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Does this article make any sense to anyone?
Can you tell me what it means.. they are saying the casting for the dancers was fake.. but i am confused to the evidence. If anyone can explain it to me i would be grateful
http://theresurrectionmj.wordpress.com/ ... e-casting/ (http://theresurrectionmj.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/fake-casting/)
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They are claiming the Dancers were already chosen ahead of time, since they all worked for the same agency before "This Is It". Some had worked in "High School Musical"(K.O's) together.
I wouldn't doubt it. :?
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I recognize some faces from HSM. Chucky Klapow, Tony Testa, and i believe Mekia Cox also
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Does this article make any sense to anyone?
Can you tell me what it means.. they are saying the casting for the dancers was fake.. but i am confused to the evidence. If anyone can explain it to me i would be grateful
http://theresurrectionmj.wordpress.com/ ... e-casting/ (http://theresurrectionmj.wordpress.com/2010/03/12/fake-casting/)
Funny that you post that 'cause yesterday night I was thinking about the audition for the dancers and was searching on the web and couldn't find anything about it ...so,to me, this would add to the theory that TII was meant to be a movie to begin with(I always believed that),hiring the
High School Musical dance crew.
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Of course it was always meant to be a movie. You can't put a live show like this together in three months....
THIS (below) was the FIRST PROMO PIC released for This Is It in May of 2009.....
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/ ... -is-it.jpg (http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/105/230x306/105761_michael-jackson-and-kenny-ortega-in-this-is-it.jpg)
Certainly, this is a picture promoting a MOVIE, not a concert! This has ALWAYS been CRYSTAL CLEAR! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Of course it was always meant to be a movie. You can't put a live show like this together in three months....
THIS (below) was the FIRST PROMO PIC released for This Is It in May of 2009.....
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/ ... -is-it.jpg (http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/105/230x306/105761_michael-jackson-and-kenny-ortega-in-this-is-it.jpg)
Certainly, this is a picture promoting a MOVIE, not a concert! This has ALWAYS been CRYSTAL CLEAR! :lol: :lol: :lol:
and it was registerd as a ''motion picture'' it would of been logical to list it as a ''music concert documentary'' or something.
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i didnt find mekia on the cast of the High school musical movies...and she doesnt mention it on her website neither
but Tyne Stecklein (the blonde girl) was definitely on the movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0810900/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0810900/fullcredits#cast)
she s listed as prinicpal dancer....
didnt check for the others yet
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Of course it was always meant to be a movie. You can't put a live show like this together in three months....
THIS (below) was the FIRST PROMO PIC released for This Is It in May of 2009.....
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/ ... -is-it.jpg (http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/105/230x306/105761_michael-jackson-and-kenny-ortega-in-this-is-it.jpg)
Certainly, this is a picture promoting a MOVIE, not a concert! This has ALWAYS been CRYSTAL CLEAR! :lol: :lol: :lol:
and it was registerd as a ''motion picture'' it would of been logical to list it as a ''music concert documentary'' or something.
Yes! And the audiovisual recordings from June 23rd and June 24th were PRE-REGISTERED in the United States Copyright Database as "Motion Picture/Soundtrack/Musical." ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS going to be a movie! This is the movie MJ contacted DiLeo about co-producing in 2007, the kind of movie that had never been done before! :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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i didnt find mekia on the cast of the High school musical movies...and she doesnt mention it on her website neither
but Tyne Stecklein (the blonde girl) was definitely on the movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0810900/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0810900/fullcredits#cast)
she s listed as prinicpal dancer....
didnt check for the others yet
yes i meant Tyne my mistake :oops:
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Of course it was always meant to be a movie. You can't put a live show like this together in three months....
THIS (below) was the FIRST PROMO PIC released for This Is It in May of 2009.....
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/ ... -is-it.jpg (http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/105/230x306/105761_michael-jackson-and-kenny-ortega-in-this-is-it.jpg)
Certainly, this is a picture promoting a MOVIE, not a concert! This has ALWAYS been CRYSTAL CLEAR! :lol: :lol: :lol:
and it was registerd as a ''motion picture'' it would of been logical to list it as a ''music concert documentary'' or something.
Yes! And the audiovisual recordings from June 23rd and June 24th were PRE-REGISTERED in the United States Copyright Database as "Motion Picture/Soundtrack/Musical." ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS going to be a movie! This is the movie MJ contacted DiLeo about co-producing in 2007, the kind of movie that had never been done before! :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
thats what confused me what does it mean audiovisual recordings from june 23-24th? i though this was filmed for 3 months?
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Of course it was always meant to be a movie. You can't put a live show like this together in three months....
THIS (below) was the FIRST PROMO PIC released for This Is It in May of 2009.....
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/ ... -is-it.jpg (http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/105/230x306/105761_michael-jackson-and-kenny-ortega-in-this-is-it.jpg)
Certainly, this is a picture promoting a MOVIE, not a concert! This has ALWAYS been CRYSTAL CLEAR! :lol: :lol: :lol:
and it was registerd as a ''motion picture'' it would of been logical to list it as a ''music concert documentary'' or something.
Yes! And the audiovisual recordings from June 23rd and June 24th were PRE-REGISTERED in the United States Copyright Database as "Motion Picture/Soundtrack/Musical." ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS going to be a movie! This is the movie MJ contacted DiLeo about co-producing in 2007, the kind of movie that had never been done before! :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
thats what confused me what does it mean audiovisual recordings from june 23-24th? i though this was filmed for 3 months?
Nope.. loads of other threads have investigated this and its crystal clear that the singing and dancing in TII.. the rehearsal footage was only taken over two days.
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Of course it was always meant to be a movie. You can't put a live show like this together in three months....
THIS (below) was the FIRST PROMO PIC released for This Is It in May of 2009.....
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/ ... -is-it.jpg (http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/105/230x306/105761_michael-jackson-and-kenny-ortega-in-this-is-it.jpg)
Certainly, this is a picture promoting a MOVIE, not a concert! This has ALWAYS been CRYSTAL CLEAR! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I beLIEve it too but it just proves it even more...you know,for thoses who are still wondering ;)
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Of course it was always meant to be a movie. You can't put a live show like this together in three months....
THIS (below) was the FIRST PROMO PIC released for This Is It in May of 2009.....
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/ ... -is-it.jpg (http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/105/230x306/105761_michael-jackson-and-kenny-ortega-in-this-is-it.jpg)
Certainly, this is a picture promoting a MOVIE, not a concert! This has ALWAYS been CRYSTAL CLEAR! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I agree...three monthe for such a live show is not possible...
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Of course it was always meant to be a movie. You can't put a live show like this together in three months....
THIS (below) was the FIRST PROMO PIC released for This Is It in May of 2009.....
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/ ... -is-it.jpg (http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/105/230x306/105761_michael-jackson-and-kenny-ortega-in-this-is-it.jpg)
Certainly, this is a picture promoting a MOVIE, not a concert! This has ALWAYS been CRYSTAL CLEAR! :lol: :lol: :lol:
and it was registerd as a ''motion picture'' it would of been logical to list it as a ''music concert documentary'' or something.
Yes! And the audiovisual recordings from June 23rd and June 24th were PRE-REGISTERED in the United States Copyright Database as "Motion Picture/Soundtrack/Musical." ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS going to be a movie! This is the movie MJ contacted DiLeo about co-producing in 2007, the kind of movie that had never been done before! :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
thats what confused me what does it mean audiovisual recordings from june 23-24th? i though this was filmed for 3 months?
Nope.. loads of other threads have investigated this and its crystal clear that the singing and dancing in TII.. the rehearsal footage was only taken over two days.
are you saying this is it was filmed in 2 days!??!?!?! :shock: :shock:
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Of course it was always meant to be a movie. You can't put a live show like this together in three months....
THIS (below) was the FIRST PROMO PIC released for This Is It in May of 2009.....
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/ ... -is-it.jpg (http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/105/230x306/105761_michael-jackson-and-kenny-ortega-in-this-is-it.jpg)
Certainly, this is a picture promoting a MOVIE, not a concert! This has ALWAYS been CRYSTAL CLEAR! :lol: :lol: :lol:
and it was registerd as a ''motion picture'' it would of been logical to list it as a ''music concert documentary'' or something.
Yes! And the audiovisual recordings from June 23rd and June 24th were PRE-REGISTERED in the United States Copyright Database as "Motion Picture/Soundtrack/Musical." ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS going to be a movie! This is the movie MJ contacted DiLeo about co-producing in 2007, the kind of movie that had never been done before! :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
thats what confused me what does it mean audiovisual recordings from june 23-24th? i though this was filmed for 3 months?
The people who were there, technical people, lighting people etc. who have spoken say Michael came for the "dancer auditions, many business/production meetings and was involved in all aspects of creative production." They say Michael was at Culver City from June 1st through June 10th for the DOME project and filming of the 3D and 2D films which included green screen. That explains why everyone was so excited for "And Michael's coming today. There's The Man. The Man is here." They say after that he did not return again until June 23rd which was the first rehearsal day at the Staples Center. So the 23rd and 24th were clearly planned to be the audiovisual/sound track recordings for the motion picture. That's the ONLY way that any of this makes any sense.
All of Michael's on-stage performances were shot in those two days, the 23rd and 24th, and he has several wardrobe changes to make it look like many different days, but the back-up singers and dancers' wardrobe changes do not coincide with Michael's. For instance Orianthi has on the silver dress and sparkling boots while Michael goes through 4 changes of clothes. Orianthi is the easiest one to keep up with because of the "sparkly" outfit but if one pays close attention, you will clearly see that Michael is changing clothes and no one else is. ;) Clearly, June 23rd and June 24th were shot for the "motion picture" and that is why it is 'PRE-REGISTERED IN THE COPYRIGHT DATABASE" as such. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Of course it was always meant to be a movie. You can't put a live show like this together in three months....
THIS (below) was the FIRST PROMO PIC released for This Is It in May of 2009.....
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/ ... -is-it.jpg (http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/105/230x306/105761_michael-jackson-and-kenny-ortega-in-this-is-it.jpg)
Certainly, this is a picture promoting a MOVIE, not a concert! This has ALWAYS been CRYSTAL CLEAR! :lol: :lol: :lol:
and it was registerd as a ''motion picture'' it would of been logical to list it as a ''music concert documentary'' or something.
Yes! And the audiovisual recordings from June 23rd and June 24th were PRE-REGISTERED in the United States Copyright Database as "Motion Picture/Soundtrack/Musical." ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS going to be a movie! This is the movie MJ contacted DiLeo about co-producing in 2007, the kind of movie that had never been done before! :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
thats what confused me what does it mean audiovisual recordings from june 23-24th? i though this was filmed for 3 months?
I know you keep up very well and I pay close attention to your posts. The ones who were there, technical people, lighting people etc. who have spoken say Michael came for the "dancer auditions, many business/production meetings and was involved in all aspects of creative production." They say Michael was at Culver City from June 1st through June 10th for the DOME project and filming of the 3D and 2D films which included green screen. That explains why everyone was so excited for "And Michael's coming today. There's The Man. The Man is here." They say after that he did not return again until June 23rd which was the first rehearsal day at the Staples Center. So the 23rd and 24th were clearly planned to be the audiovisual/sound track recordings for the motion picture. That's the ONLY way that any of this makes any sense.
All of Michael's on-stage performances were shot in those two days, the 23rd and 24th, and he has several wardrobe changes to make it look like many different days, but the back-up singers and dancers' wardrobe changes do not coincide with Michael's. For instance Orianthi has on the silver dress and sparkling boots while Michael goes through 4 changes of clothes. Orianthi is the easiest one to keep up with because of the "sparkly" outfit but if one pays close attention, you will clearly see that Michael is changing clothes and no one else is. ;) Clearly, June 23rd and June 24th were shot for the "motion picture" and that is why it is 'PRE-REGISTERED IN THE COPYRIGHT DATABASE" as such. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Thanks for the info! some of those ''costume changes'' were actually Doubles ;) So michael had very short appearances in This Is It
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They are talking just about the rehersal footage, not the rehersals themselves, and other thing is the show prodution and TII back screen footage.
Even though, I still doubt that the whole rehersal footage was filmed just in 2 days.
Despite it´s a EPK recording without travellings, dollies nor cranes (so it "seems" to be justified to be for MJ private movies), we have to take into account that there are a lot of stage mechanisms that must be moved for the whole show. We have the day of the pirotechnnics, MJ´s crane, the toasters, the spider... I´ve worked in EPK and documentaries and I don´t know if it just matchs with just 2 days for the rehersals footage.
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Thanks for the info! some of those ''costume changes'' were actually Doubles ;) So michael had very short appearances in This Is It[/quote]
YES! Those are the shots when Michael was BEHIND the camera and not in front of it! That is when the "kids got to see Michael as film-maker" according to Kenny! :lol: :lol:
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i didnt find mekia on the cast of the High school musical movies...and she doesnt mention it on her website neither
but Tyne Stecklein (the blonde girl) was definitely on the movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0810900/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0810900/fullcredits#cast)
she s listed as prinicpal dancer....
didnt check for the others yet
yes i meant Tyne my mistake :oops:
lol no problem...wasnt against u...
but u r right tony testa was working as assistant choreographer on high school and TII
and chucky kaplow was a dancer on both too:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1484099/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1484099/)
and according to a MJ french forum (http://forum.mjdreams.net/viewthread.php?tid=2357 (http://forum.mjdreams.net/viewthread.php?tid=2357)) in a post dated from 29 mai 2009, most of the dancers knew each other or where connected to mj or ortega b4 the casting:
Devin Jamieson danced with Tony Testa b4 TII
Ricardo "Dres" Reid danced on the so exited video of janet jackson
Misha Gabriel Hamilton (the one crying at the beginning of TII) toured with janet jackson..
Nick Baas and Misha knew each other: they give dance lessons together at the Dance Millenium Complex. Nick toured with Janet too on "Rock witchu" and worked on the video "All Nite Don't Stop"
Timor Steffens met Misha and Nick on many occasions: he took dance lessons in their class at the Dance Millenium Complex
and well Tyne was on High School musical as said b4
The world is smaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall and full of coincidences....really
on 11 dancers casted, 7 at least where already known by them or connected to them b4 the casting.......
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viewtopic.php?f=45&t=5924 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=5924)
i posed this vid that was taken by the people in the vid outside the staples, now the first time i saw this a while back.... i think July/August, but the Vid was uploaded in that period and they said that thie vid was taken at the Staples on the 3rd of June !!!!
so mike was in rehersal and TII was not all done in 2 days, maybe there were a few somgs done during the 2 dates, but there is obviously more to this than meets the eye. i strongly believe that TII was intended to be a series of Concerts, and that michael had fully intended to do all the dates ( call me crazy :lol: ), but i think that a hoax wasnt planned, i think that maybe something was "haunting" mike and that he had decided last minute to pull this off, which is why i think all these irregularities with his "death". i jjust cant find a reason to think that he planned this over time, i would probably say that it may have been planned within a Week .
so call me Crazy ! :lol: :lol:
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http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=5924
i posed this vid that was taken by the people in the vid outside the staples, now the first time i saw this a while back.... i think July/August, but the Vid was uploaded in that period and they said that thie vid was taken at the Staples on the 3rd of June !!!!
so mike was in rehersal and TII was not all done in 2 days, maybe there were a few somgs done during the 2 dates, but there is obviously more to this than meets the eye. i strongly believe that TII was intended to be a series of Concerts, and that michael had fully intended to do all the dates ( call me crazy :lol: ), but i think that a hoax wasnt planned, i think that maybe something was "haunting" mike and that he had decided last minute to pull this off, which is why i think all these irregularities with his "death". i jjust cant find a reason to think that he planned this over time, i would probably say that it may have been planned within a Week .
so call me Crazy ! :lol: :lol:
IMHO, This is it was meant to be a film from the get go
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http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=5924
i posed this vid that was taken by the people in the vid outside the staples, now the first time i saw this a while back.... i think July/August, but the Vid was uploaded in that period and they said that thie vid was taken at the Staples on the 3rd of June !!!!
so mike was in rehersal and TII was not all done in 2 days, maybe there were a few somgs done during the 2 dates, but there is obviously more to this than meets the eye. i strongly believe that TII was intended to be a series of Concerts, and that michael had fully intended to do all the dates ( call me crazy :lol: ), but i think that a hoax wasnt planned, i think that maybe something was "haunting" mike and that he had decided last minute to pull this off, which is why i think all these irregularities with his "death". i jjust cant find a reason to think that he planned this over time, i would probably say that it may have been planned within a Week .
so call me Crazy ! :lol: :lol:
IMHO, This is it was meant to be a film from the get go
well its a highly .. well i wouldnt say controversial subject, but its a difficult one to come to a definate conclusion.
but hey there are some things that people are going to have different views on and the more opinions, the better the investigation :)
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he probably rehearsed for the FILM B4 the 23rd but the footage was taken on the 23rd and 24th LOL!
I agree, it was meant to be a movie and not a concert.
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I don't fully get the "it was supposed to be a film" theory. I mean yes I know the facts but that does not necesssarily rule out the concerts. Even if it was meant to be a film it does not definitelt mean there weren't gonna be any concerts. They might have wanted to do both which is not impossible at all since it's a "concert documentry2 kind of. Also for those who think there were doubles (still not sure myself) why would Michael even want to use doubles for some of those scenes? He's a perfectionist and that just does not make sense.
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They are claiming the Dancers were already chosen ahead of time, since they all worked for the same agency before "This Is It". Some had worked in "High School Musical"(K.O's) together.
I wouldn't doubt it. :?
To me it is not a suprise that the dancers were chosen before the casting. It is an usual procedure! And somehow obvious. I wonder that it is mentioned now...because it is really abvious nothing to wonder about.
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I don't fully get the "it was supposed to be a film" theory. I mean yes I know the facts but that does not necesssarily rule out the concerts. Even if it was meant to be a film it does not definitelt mean there weren't gonna be any concerts. They might have wanted to do both which is not impossible at all since it's a "concert documentry2 kind of. Also for those who think there were doubles (still not sure myself) why would Michael even want to use doubles for some of those scenes? He's a perfectionist and that just does not make sense.
You are right, I remember the interview on a radio station where it was mentioned that they wanted to make a movie because of promotional reasons. So I think you are right to say that making a film and the concerts is planed.
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I don't fully get the "it was supposed to be a film" theory. I mean yes I know the facts but that does not necesssarily rule out the concerts. Even if it was meant to be a film it does not definitelt mean there weren't gonna be any concerts. They might have wanted to do both which is not impossible at all since it's a "concert documentry2 kind of. Also for those who think there were doubles (still not sure myself) why would Michael even want to use doubles for some of those scenes? He's a perfectionist and that just does not make sense.
You are right, I remember the interview on a radio station where it was mentioned that they wanted to make a movie because of promotional reasons. So I think you are right to say that making a film and the concerts is planed.
Maybe he used doubles for a illusion? like beLIEve poster... ''promotional'' :lol: :lol: :lol:
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:lol: i was reading and my daughter is watching HSM... :lol:
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I think the substitute MJ. the one in the orange pants, was hired to fill in for MJ, so the dancers could still rehearse even when MJ couldn't be there..(He was too busy working on his hoax death plan with the family) Just a thought !!!! And I agree with the fact that it was filmed over 2 days as I also examined closely all the wardrobe changes, which weren't many. Cheers xox
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It's fishy either way.
If they were filming Michael "in case" he didn't make it to do the concerts because...
or...
If in reverse Michael was orchestrating this as a movie never intending to perform any of it on stage.
Lets face it, "This Is It" wasn't Michael's best work. I don't believe that he would ever have released 'practice' sessions at all, or at the very least this whole thing was cut very very short.
IMO he would have had to be very very sure that he would be seen in a positive light based on past negative footage. Do you guys think this movie does that? Is it up to his usual standards? Do you honestly think he would have wanted us to see this patchwork that was so haphazardly put together?
Here are some facts about Michael that I have never seen disputed.
1. Michael the perfectionist.
2. Michael taking great pains to keep as much privacy in his life as possible.
3. Michael not giving a crap about money in the sense of how much any of this will cost.
4. Michael being all about a polished finished product when it comes to his craft.
All of what we know about him makes it terribly hard for me to believe that he would have been in any way sloppy about this or any other venture.
Leading me to believe that someone else was pulling the strings...
Leaving Michael looking for a way out, because in this scenario he most certainly would want out...
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It's fishy either way.
If they were filming Michael "in case" he didn't make it to do the concerts because...
or...
If in reverse Michael was orchestrating this as a movie never intending to perform any of it on stage.
Lets face it, "This Is It" wasn't Michael's best work. I don't believe that he would ever have released 'practice' sessions at all, or at the very least this whole thing was cut very very short.
IMO he would have had to be very very sure that he would be seen in a positive light based on past negative footage. Do you guys think this movie does that? Is it up to his usual standards? Do you honestly think he would have wanted us to see this patchwork that was so haphazardly put together?
Here are some facts about Michael that I have never seen disputed.
1. Michael the perfectionist.
2. Michael taking great pains to keep as much privacy in his life as possible.
3. Michael not giving a crap about money in the sense of how much any of this will cost.
4. Michael being all about a polished finished product when it comes to his craft.
All of what we know about him makes it terribly hard for me to believe that he would have been in any way sloppy about this or any other venture.
Leading me to believe that someone else was pulling the strings...
Leaving Michael looking for a way out, because in this scenario he most certainly would want out...
I very much agree with you. And yeah, it's fishy either way. :?
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It's fishy either way.
If they were filming Michael "in case" he didn't make it to do the concerts because...
or...
If in reverse Michael was orchestrating this as a movie never intending to perform any of it on stage.
Lets face it, "This Is It" wasn't Michael's best work. I don't believe that he would ever have released 'practice' sessions at all, or at the very least this whole thing was cut very very short.
IMO he would have had to be very very sure that he would be seen in a positive light based on past negative footage. Do you guys think this movie does that? Is it up to his usual standards? Do you honestly think he would have wanted us to see this patchwork that was so haphazardly put together?
Here are some facts about Michael that I have never seen disputed.
1. Michael the perfectionist.
2. Michael taking great pains to keep as much privacy in his life as possible.
3. Michael not giving a crap about money in the sense of how much any of this will cost.
4. Michael being all about a polished finished product when it comes to his craft.
All of what we know about him makes it terribly hard for me to believe that he would have been in any way sloppy about this or any other venture.
Leading me to believe that someone else was pulling the strings...
Leaving Michael looking for a way out, because in this scenario he most certainly would want out...
I find very interesting what you just mentionned here. From my msn.ca homepage I did a search to see if there was anything new out there circulating about mj and I came a across an article dated march 13th in wich the 1st had picked dancer by mj a year ago day to day was being interviewed. His name is Kyiss Grant and I found 2 things very interesting that fit in very well with what you are saying.
1. He claimed that he questionned what was going on as to wether Michael was being takin advantage of and being told what to do.
2. Grant says he is bemused about what was included in TII and what wasnt. He says there is a lot of stuff that was not shown in TII and he really dont know why.
And there is one more thing he said that I fouund intriguing. He said that for the last 2 rehearsals Michael was different, he was really into it and open minded. He says MJ's vibe was just really different. :?
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There were dancer auditions way back in April 2009. The link below is from dancers who auditioned and either made it or not or those that wished they could of auditioned. The thread is long, but it does exist regarding dancer auditions. One of the members on MJHD.NET is a dancer herself and said "stuff like this is advertised through agencies and stage school magazines or MJs promoter/agent will let stage schools know where they are holding open auditions.. Its not a tv show so that is how its done.."
http://www.maximum-jackson.com/discussi ... -8611.html (http://www.maximum-jackson.com/discussion/archive/index.php/t-8611.html)
Here's just a couple of posts that might interest you:-
[b]Marni17th April 2009, 07:20 AM
DI- I posted that list on the first page [/b]
MJrock, apparently it was a private audition and according to sources and bloggers, some dancers came from other parts of the US and "all over the world". Sounds to me like people were actually invited personally after they were chosen from agencies.
Super J18th April 2009, 01:00 PMPete Carter (who had MJ do his autograph on his back - see Anything For News) speaks about the auditions a little more...[/b]
I wasn't inside the auditions. I am a dancer- but I don't have an agent or anything and you had to be submitted and chosen to even audition. A good friend of mine auditioned and was 2 people away from making it. Travis Payne taught the Dangerous routine- with some added steps- Michael sat in the audience and pointed out dancers he liked. Seven guys and 2 girls were chosen. I watched as each person came out either completely freaking out that they just made the tour- or just very excited that they even got the chance to audition for Michael. A couple girls came out and were falling to their knees saying they were SO close. He just had the girls freestyle for him. I saw Prince's twin dancers from 3121 there.
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I find very interesting what you just mentionned here. From my msn.ca homepage I did a search to see if there was anything new out there circulating about mj and I came a across an article dated march 13th in wich the 1st had picked dancer by mj a year ago day to day was being interviewed. His name is Kyiss Grant and I found 2 things very interesting that fit in very well with what you are saying.
1. He claimed that he questionned what was going on as to wether Michael was being takin advantage of and being told what to do.
2. Grant says he is bemused about what was included in TII and what wasnt. He says there is a lot of stuff that was not shown in TII and he really dont know why.
And there is one more thing he said that I fouund intriguing. He said that for the last 2 rehearsals Michael was different, he was really into it and open minded. He says MJ's vibe was just really different. :?
I saw him being told what to do in some of those scenes... I attributed that to doubles who simply didn't know what they were doing...
Editing is an interesting thing. I would be very interested in seeing unedited footage for sure!
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From a video editor/producer stand point, shooting Michael for only two days for a documentary just doesn't cut it. It takes hours of footage just to make a decent 30 minute show let alone an entire put together documentary.
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It's fishy either way.
If they were filming Michael "in case" he didn't make it to do the concerts because...
or...
If in reverse Michael was orchestrating this as a movie never intending to perform any of it on stage.
Lets face it, "This Is It" wasn't Michael's best work. I don't believe that he would ever have released 'practice' sessions at all, or at the very least this whole thing was cut very very short.
IMO he would have had to be very very sure that he would be seen in a positive light based on past negative footage. Do you guys think this movie does that? Is it up to his usual standards? Do you honestly think he would have wanted us to see this patchwork that was so haphazardly put together?
Here are some facts about Michael that I have never seen disputed.
1. Michael the perfectionist.
2. Michael taking great pains to keep as much privacy in his life as possible.
3. Michael not giving a crap about money in the sense of how much any of this will cost.
4. Michael being all about a polished finished product when it comes to his craft.
All of what we know about him makes it terribly hard for me to believe that he would have been in any way sloppy about this or any other venture.
Leading me to believe that someone else was pulling the strings...
Leaving Michael looking for a way out, because in this scenario he most certainly would want out...
I find very interesting what you just mentionned here. From my msn.ca homepage I did a search to see if there was anything new out there circulating about mj and I came a across an article dated march 13th in wich the 1st had picked dancer by mj a year ago day to day was being interviewed. His name is Kyiss Grant and I found 2 things very interesting that fit in very well with what you are saying.
1. He claimed that he questionned what was going on as to wether Michael was being takin advantage of and being told what to do.
2. Grant says he is bemused about what was included in TII and what wasnt. He says there is a lot of stuff that was not shown in TII and he really dont know why.
And there is one more thing he said that I fouund intriguing. He said that for the last 2 rehearsals Michael was different, he was really into it and open minded. He says MJ's vibe was just really different. :?
because it was REALLY michael not a Double ;)
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I think the substitute MJ. the one in the orange pants, was hired to fill in for MJ, so the dancers could still rehearse even when MJ couldn't be there..(He was too busy working on his hoax death plan with the family) Just a thought !!!! And I agree with the fact that it was filmed over 2 days as I also examined closely all the wardrobe changes, which weren't many. Cheers xox
Nice theory! ;)
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Of course it was always meant to be a movie. You can't put a live show like this together in three months....
THIS (below) was the FIRST PROMO PIC released for This Is It in May of 2009.....
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/ ... -is-it.jpg (http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/105/230x306/105761_michael-jackson-and-kenny-ortega-in-this-is-it.jpg)
Certainly, this is a picture promoting a MOVIE, not a concert! This has ALWAYS been CRYSTAL CLEAR! :lol: :lol: :lol:
and it was registerd as a ''motion picture'' it would of been logical to list it as a ''music concert documentary'' or something.
if it had been rehearsal footage for 'michael's private archives', like they were trying to tell people, there would have even been no reason to list it anywhere at all. only commercial productions are listed, right? if the movie shows up as 'documentary' in any next movie award nominations (whichever one...), it'll be the last proof that 'this is it' was a movie from the beginning and never 'private footage'. well, kenny already gave that away enough times, especially when he said that michael 'personally supervised', which clips were going to be used in the final movie. now, when was that supposed to be? :mrgreen:
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if it had been rehearsal footage for 'michael's private archives', like they were trying to tell people, there would have even been no reason to list it anywhere at all. only commercial productions are listed, right? if the movie shows up as 'documentary' in any next movie award nominations (whichever one...), it'll be the last proof that 'this is it' was a movie from the beginning and never 'private footage'. well, kenny already gave that away enough times, especially when he said that michael 'personally supervised', which clips were going to be used in the final movie. now, when was that supposed to be? :mrgreen:[/quote]
Good point
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Of course it was always meant to be a movie. You can't put a live show like this together in three months....
THIS (below) was the FIRST PROMO PIC released for This Is It in May of 2009.....
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/ ... -is-it.jpg (http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/105/230x306/105761_michael-jackson-and-kenny-ortega-in-this-is-it.jpg)
Certainly, this is a picture promoting a MOVIE, not a concert! This has ALWAYS been CRYSTAL CLEAR! :lol: :lol: :lol:
and it was registerd as a ''motion picture'' it would of been logical to list it as a ''music concert documentary'' or something.
Yes! And the audiovisual recordings from June 23rd and June 24th were PRE-REGISTERED in the United States Copyright Database as "Motion Picture/Soundtrack/Musical." ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS going to be a movie! This is the movie MJ contacted DiLeo about co-producing in 2007, the kind of movie that had never been done before! :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
thats what confused me what does it mean audiovisual recordings from june 23-24th? i though this was filmed for 3 months?
I know you keep up very well and I pay close attention to your posts. The ones who were there, technical people, lighting people etc. who have spoken say Michael came for the "dancer auditions, many business/production meetings and was involved in all aspects of creative production." They say Michael was at Culver City from June 1st through June 10th for the DOME project and filming of the 3D and 2D films which included green screen. That explains why everyone was so excited for "And Michael's coming today. There's The Man. The Man is here." They say after that he did not return again until June 23rd which was the first rehearsal day at the Staples Center. So the 23rd and 24th were clearly planned to be the audiovisual/sound track recordings for the motion picture. That's the ONLY way that any of this makes any sense.
All of Michael's on-stage performances were shot in those two days, the 23rd and 24th, and he has several wardrobe changes to make it look like many different days, but the back-up singers and dancers' wardrobe changes do not coincide with Michael's. For instance Orianthi has on the silver dress and sparkling boots while Michael goes through 4 changes of clothes. Orianthi is the easiest one to keep up with because of the "sparkly" outfit but if one pays close attention, you will clearly see that Michael is changing clothes and no one else is. ;) Clearly, June 23rd and June 24th were shot for the "motion picture" and that is why it is 'PRE-REGISTERED IN THE COPYRIGHT DATABASE" as such. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Ohhhh, Gotcha ;)
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adjust the reference to the author's blog http://arvenru.wordpress.com/ (http://arvenru.wordpress.com/). I hope for further fruitful cooperation. :!:
what does this have to do with the topic??
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lol nothing has to do with the topic on this thread anyway...it was supposed to be about the fake casting of the dancers and everybody talks bout sth else....so........welcome Olgeya...lol
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It dosent surprice me, that it was filmed over 2 days only, and Michael wore only 2 pair of pants. The orange and the black with the dirty spot on, right ? But that about the dancers, wow! Lies all the time :o
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WELCAME! REALLY HARD WORK!!! IT´S SO INTERESTING THIS BLOG!!! ;)
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i posed this vid that was taken by the people in the vid outside the staples, now the first time i saw this a while back.... i think July/August, but the Vid was uploaded in that period and they said that thie vid was taken at the Staples on the 3rd of June !!!!
so mike was in rehersal and TII was not all done in 2 days, maybe there were a few somgs done during the 2 dates, but there is obviously more to this than meets the eye. i strongly believe that TII was intended to be a series of Concerts, and that michael had fully intended to do all the dates ( call me crazy :lol: ), but i think that a hoax wasnt planned, i think that maybe something was "haunting" mike and that he had decided last minute to pull this off, which is why i think all these irregularities with his "death". i jjust cant find a reason to think that he planned this over time, i would probably say that it may have been planned within a Week .
so call me Crazy ! :lol: :lol:
We are both crazy !!!! :lol: I totally agreec :x with u!!! :mrgreen:
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he probably rehearsed for the FILM B4 the 23rd but the footage was taken on the 23rd and 24th LOL!
I agree, it was meant to be a movie and not a concert.
Me too...Michael had this all planned out
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he probably rehearsed for the FILM B4 the 23rd but the footage was taken on the 23rd and 24th LOL!
I agree, it was meant to be a movie and not a concert.
So true - just because the footage was shot in two days doesn't mean they didn't rehearse a few days longer. I know nothing about making movies or doing concerts but it just seems like it would take so much longer to rehearse for something this big. IDK.
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I think this article is fake to be honest with you. I actually had the opportunity of meeting Daniel Celebre. He taught me the Thriller dance! And the stories he told my friend and I were unbelievable how he made it. I honestly don't think the casting was fake.
Plus, Michael is such a great, great artist and no doubt a perfectionist. He would want and need the best of the best to back him up, and the only way to do this would be to have auditions for people all around the world. ;)
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Michael rehearsed more than two days. There was supposed to be a tour. You cannot prepare without the main attraction. The auditions were not fake. Those kids didn't fly from all over the world for nothing. There were bound to be some of the same dancers chosen that had been in other projects. Travis himself was once Michael's dancers before he became his choreographer. Kenny has know Michael for years. This was an immense amount of work and no doubt Michael did choose certain cuts that he was happy with. That makes sense.
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This girl on twitter told me he wanted to do 10 shows and make a dvd about them and cancel the other 40.
She says he knew he couldn't do 50 concerts.
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I don't fully get the "it was supposed to be a film" theory. I mean yes I know the facts but that does not necesssarily rule out the concerts. Even if it was meant to be a film it does not definitelt mean there weren't gonna be any concerts. They might have wanted to do both which is not impossible at all since it's a "concert documentry2 kind of. Also for those who think there were doubles (still not sure myself) why would Michael even want to use doubles for some of those scenes? He's a perfectionist and that just does not make sense.
I've said it before and I say it again, he may have had to leave in a hurry (maybe catch a plane to an undisclosed destination) therefore, he couldn't finish all the film, hence the use of doubles.
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The people who were there, technical people, lighting people etc. who have spoken say Michael came for the "dancer auditions, many business/production meetings and was involved in all aspects of creative production." They say Michael was at Culver City from June 1st through June 10th for the DOME project and filming of the 3D and 2D films which included green screen. That explains why everyone was so excited for "And Michael's coming today. There's The Man. The Man is here." They say after that he did not return again until June 23rd which was the first rehearsal day at the Staples Center. So the 23rd and 24th were clearly planned to be the audiovisual/sound track recordings for the motion picture. That's the ONLY way that any of this makes any sense.
All of Michael's on-stage performances were shot in those two days, the 23rd and 24th, and he has several wardrobe changes to make it look like many different days, but the back-up singers and dancers' wardrobe changes do not coincide with Michael's. For instance Orianthi has on the silver dress and sparkling boots while Michael goes through 4 changes of clothes. Orianthi is the easiest one to keep up with because of the "sparkly" outfit but if one pays close attention, you will clearly see that Michael is changing clothes and no one else is. Clearly, June 23rd and June 24th were shot for the "motion picture" and that is why it is 'PRE-REGISTERED IN THE COPYRIGHT DATABASE" as such.
can you show me this - with orianthi - please - very interesting
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can some one either do a back to back still of the dancers from both film/rehearsal footage?
or show the dancers names from both movies/rehearsal footage?
just because some of the dancers are the same does not mean that it was all fake, the dancers could have been just good
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If all the onstage rehearsals were from two days at the Staples Centre when did Orianthi have time to have a hairdresser do the colour change and hair extensions?
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If all the onstage rehearsals were from two days at the Staples Centre when did Orianthi have time to have a hairdresser do the colour change and hair extensions?
pixs pls
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Hmmm... Do I detect the same outfit for Orianthi while Michael's clothes have changed... ?
(http://avanttrash.com/images//OrianthiMJ.jpg)
(http://totallychrislim.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/jacko-gitarristin-1369134a-mfbqtemplateidrenderscaledpropertybildheight349.jpg)
Regarding the dancers... If you go to MJFanForeverAndADay's youtube account, she has a made a wonderful video that provides some great evidence proving that they were all infact chosen before the "Auditions" we were shown.
While we're speaking of the dancers has anyone been paying any attention to Timor's facebook status lately? (and yes, it's his legit facebook). Apparently the This Is It dancers have all started rehearsing together again, but for what?! They started rehearsing again not too long ago and they go from 11 to 7pm! Then he had one status that read, and I quote:
"When miracles happen they do for a reason....so when u see or feel it make shure u know how 2 act."
Are they rehearsing for "BAMs day" possibly? And is that what he's referencing in this status? Anyway, just found that interesting.
They're actually in rehearsal today... His current status is "In rehearsal...in Creating Process!!!...Love"
Hmmm.
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but was it just the mj's jacket, maybe he spilled something on the other, just playing devils advocate here.
he is wearing the faded black pants that we see on the 23rd said the be the last day of footage, when it was 24th.
it is suspicious. lets look into this - very interesting.
any others?
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All the tickets they sold,people qued up for hours,i wonder how many people working on THIS IS IT(if it was a film all along,which i think it was),new that was all going to be for nothing,not sure what im trying to say really,just thinking out loud...... :? :oops: