Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Welcome! => Info for new members => Topic started by: *Mo* on November 23, 2009, 12:43:35 PM
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The Weird List
Credit goes to mjtruth at http://mjtruth.wordpress.com (http://mjtruth.wordpress.com) for this list. This list is reprinted with permission from the author.
This is the page (which will be updated frequently as mjtruth finds new stuff or think of new stuff), is where they ’ll keep a running list of all the weird shit associated with all this. Some of these weird things will point to one theory, some will point to another. Some of them may contradict based on the fact that not every single piece of info we have may be true. Which is part of why pieces are hard to fit together on this. Some of them are next to meaningless by themselves, but when combined with other things form a pattern. Many posts on this blog will come from exploring one or more of the things from this list:
If any of my facts are wrong, please let mjturth know so they can fix and update the list
In no particular order:
The 911 call didn’t sound overly panicked and Michael Jackson was not mentioned by name. (It’s possible he didn’t mention the name because 911 might think it was a hoax and not respond.)
Some have stated the oldest son discovered the father, but later the Dr. claimed that the reason it took so long to call 911 is that he couldn’t find anyone to make the call. (wouldn’t the son be able to make the call, he is 12 after all.) It took 30 minutes to call 911. Hasn’t Dr. Murray ever heard of a cell phone? (this point gets addressed farther down this list.)
Dr. Conrad Murray, who is supposed to be a cardiologist was doing CPR on the bed. (It’s supposed to be done on a flat hard surface…floor. Murray claimed that it was done on the bed cause MJ was frail, but several people have contradicted the report of MJ being “frail.”)
TMZ, a tabloid media source was the FIRST to report MJ had died. They reported it before the coroner and before Jermaine Jackson made his public statement. (While we’re on the topic, isn’t that weird too? Is it normal for a family member to make a public statement instead of the doctor in charge?)
Though he was taken to the hospital and they tried to revive him for an hour, he was pronounced dead at UCLA. However, despite this, almost no one had any kind of comment regarding it. No official doctor’s statements, no nurses being interviewed, no second cousins of neighboring patients coming out to gawk and report what they saw or heard. The only comments reported was someone who worked there said something strange was going on with regards to MJ, and someone else claimed the fire alarm went off while MJ was there. (In the CNN transcripts they mention the fire alarms in passing.)
Dr. Conrad Murray refused to sign the death certificate. No physician at UCLA in charge would sign either. In fact no UCLA doctor has made any kind of statement confirming the death of Michael Jackson or even that he was on the premises.
Cause of death was listed as “deferred” until after the autopsy. The DC states that it is only valid if signed in purple ink. At the bottom it’s signed in BLUE ink. There are also many irregularities of the document which indicate it possibly isn’t legitimate.
The autopsy results have been held, pending a toxicology report, which was due but is now expected to be two more weeks. (at time of posting this). A total of 3 autopsies have been ordered. One official, one by the family who for some reason wanted their own autopsy performed, and a third reportedly requested by Joe Jackson, MJ’s father. (ETA: Later the autopsy and tox reports have been stated to be delayed “indefinitely.”)
There is, in existence a SINGLE photo of MJ dead (or dying.) Taken by a tabloid reporter through a DARK tinted window of the ambulance. No other photos of him got taken, no photos at the hospital, no photos anywhere. (ETA: Upon further research there appear to be three photos taken in close succession, but how was the photo so clear and not blurred? And why does MJ look so healthy, alive, and young? It looks like it could be a wax dummy from the Ghosts set.)
There were several security cameras at the mansion in LA where MJ collapsed, but there is missing time from them. No video footage of the events in question.
MJ’s personal physician Dr. Tohme claimed MJ had no heart problems, that he danced 4 hours a day and it was more likely that he (Dr. Tohme) would have a heart attack than MJ. (Dr. Tohme was mistakenly reported as MJ’s personal physician, turns out he was his business manager and this point about what he said or didn’t say and whether or not it’s accurate, cannot be confirmed.)
Though there have been several people who have come forward suddenly talking about MJ having a drug problem and them trying to have an intervention for him, many other credible sources have come forward to say the opposite, among them: Mark Lester, and Tom Meserau. Many people at the last rehearsal claimed he was energetic and on top of his game and in no way seemed sickly or drugged. Supposedly family members wanted to have an intervention in 2007. But in 2007 MJ was in Ireland or Bahrain, how would his family know he had a drug problem if he’s halfway across the world? (A commenter here states is was in the US, but I’m really not sure about that.) Further, Jermaine has claimed on Larry King that he was not aware of any kind of drug problem on MJ’s part. If the family was “staging an intervention” wouldn’t Jermaine have been made aware of the situation?
Why are we just now hearing about MJ’s drug problem now? While it is true he had an RX drug dependency in 1993 (because he admitted it in an interview), and he may have had problems with RX drugs at various points and even at the end, why… with all the freaking out about hyperbaric chambers, chimpanzees, plastic surgery etc, did no Tabloid reporter ever think to jump all over the “Wacko Jacko on Drugs” bandwagon?
Why are there contradictory stories about MJ’s health? Some have said he seemed frail and weak. He was underweight. He couldn’t possibly do 50 concerts. Others said he was vibrant, energetic, healthy, on top of his game. And these were all people who had seen him recently.
Is it convenient that AEG just happens to do all this footage, the day before he drops dead?
How does a man with a supposed long-term RX drug problem pass a 4-5 hour physical a few months prior to his death in order to have his concerts insured by Lloyd’s of London? That is something that would show up on a 4-5 hour physical. Either some insurance fraud is going on, or someone isn’t reporting the whole truth regarding MJ and drugs. Or he wasn’t on drugs.
Why did so many of MJ’s longterm friends not show up at the memorial at all, but those who ended up speaking and performing either never met MJ or hadn’t spoken to him in years? (Queen Latifah had never met him, Brooke Shields hadn’t spoken to him in years. Liz Taylor, Mac Culkin, Diana Ross, all declined showing up to name a few.)
While I don’t want to disrespect Liz Taylor, why would she mourn on Twitter only? She couldn’t go to the memorial, but she could tweet about it?
Dr. Conrad Murray fled the scene. He’s supposedly cooperating with investigators, but then he goes back to the bat cave and even tabloid reporters can’t seem to find him.
And just out of curiosity… why does it seem like only one picture of this doctor exists on the planet? Every article I see about him shows the same freaking picture. Now here is a test to try. Go to Google, click the link for “News” Then type: “Dr. Conrad Murray” in parenthesis. To the left there should be an archive. Archives generally go for YEARS, up to ten years or more. But there are only archives for 2009. Did he not exist before then? Whoops! now search his name in parenthesis under images… find me ONE image that isn’t the same exact one. In his entire life he only got his picture made that one time?
Dr. Murray has been described by some patients as a “holistic doctor” who didn’t like to prescribe medications, especially stronger medications like painkillers. If this is true, it’s unlikely MJ would have brought him on board if he was looking for an “enabling doctor.” And it’s unlikely Murray would have enabled him.
Up to a year ago all kinds of crazy tabloid stories were being leaked about MJ’s failing health and all kinds of crazy diseases he supposedly had.
He was visiting a medical center close by several times prior to his death.
A tabloid reporter predicted that MJ had six months to live, and six months later he died. (this is also the same time that the next thing in this list happened.)
Someone called a radio station and hoaxed MJ’s death several months ago. It was reported that the pop star had died, but later this report was retracted. (You can youtube search this. There is a video about it. The hoax even mentions a drug overdose.)
Several long-term and diehard MJ fans have expressed doubt that the person giving the O2 announcement at the London theatre was actually Michael Jackson. Many (including myself on this point) believe that it was an impersonator based on the way he walked (totally unlike MJ), the weird mannerisms and gestures and almost bragging manner (MJ was always humble with his fans, and everybody else, ALWAYS), and his accent is just OFF. This isn’t a matter of voice tone or pitch which alternated with him depending on how shy he was feeling, or if he needed to project his voice, this was ACCENT, totally wrong. Here is the video if you want to judge for yourself. Fast forward to about 4:32 if you want to skip past the advertisement to the MJ announcement. That is totally not MJ. His smile is also wrong.
ETA: I now think it’s possible that MJ was at the O2 but that he was acting weird, talking in a funny accent, and walking like 50 cent on purpose to create controversy. (i.e. he was punking us.)
Dr. Murray’s excuse (delivered in an interview through his attorney, since he vanished into the bat cave), for why he didn’t call 911 sooner is that there was no landline hooked up for some security reason or another. When asked why he didn’t use his cell phone, the attorney said that the doctor didn’t have Michael’s address. Oh really? His attending physician who was at his house didn’t know the address? Well here is a wacky concept: CELL PHONES HAVE GPS. They didn’t NEED him to know the address. Further, he could have just said: “It’s Michael Jackson.” I’m sure someone would have figured it out. It wasn’t like MJ didn’t live practically down the street from UCLA.
How could investigators rule out foul play before they had an autopsy or a tox screen? Isn’t that a little weird and presumptuous? Then they later said they weren’t ruling out homicide. Then they came back and said probably no one will be charged with anything… all of these statements BEFORE the toxicology report came back, which is what they are supposed to be waiting on before making any judgments in these matters.
If Dr. Murray is a cardiologist, and MJ is too weak to move off the bed, why wouldn’t he have had with him and used a defibrillator?
Supposedly MJ insisted on hiring Dr. Murray, a doctor who had treated his sick daughter once in 2006 and apparently the two became friends. MJ claimed he was comfortable with him and wanted AEG to hire him on for the tour. We have no way of knowing if MJ insisted on this doctor or not, since most people hadn’t met him and the people claiming this are AEG and Dr. Murray’s attorney, people who have a vested interest in MJ having a prior friendship with Murray to keep suspicion off them.
Cherilynn Lee went on CNN after MJ’s death to claim that MJ wanted an IV drip of Diprivan to sleep. She was a NUTRITIONIST. Why on EARTH would MJ go to a holistic nutritionist to ask for Diprivan? Or any other drug? She was let go previously. Why would he call someone he hadn’t talked to for 3 months to ask for this drug? If MJ had all these enabling doctors, WHY would he go to this woman he hadn’t spoken to in three months? Not only that, she claims in the interview that MJ didn’t want pills, he wanted an IV. However others have said MJ was afraid of needles. Why would he be chasing needle drugs? She claimed it was important to come out and set the record straight and she didn’t want her 15 minutes of fame. Um, okay. Which is what all former Jackson employees said right before their mouths started flapping bullshit. She also said he owed her money. So why would he call her if he owed her money? She claims in interviews that it’s “not the drugs they’re saying” (Demerol), but it’s Diprivan… on her say so. Well does she need to save the truth of MJ? I mean this is why we have the tox screen going on. It will reveal whatever drugs were going on. On the PLUS side, she portrays MJ as someone absolutely convinced it was safe and that his doctor said it was safe, which isn’t the behavior of a ‘drug addict’ but someone who trusted doctors who lied. (But I find even THAT kind of hard to believe considering MJ read and researched everything.)
Grace Rwaramba refuted claims that she’d said she “pumped MJ’s stomach” from the drugs. She never said this, but the stories circulated everywhere with her name on it soon after MJ’s death.
Dr. Conrad Murray after disappearing off the face of the planet where mysteriously even tabloid reporters can’t find him to snap a candid shot (despite supposedly him surfacing to cooperate with police), hires an attorney. Police repeatedly said Dr. Murray was NOT a suspect, just a witness. Why on earth does a man who is only a witness, hire an attorney? Why does he further have that attorney give interviews in his name and on his behalf, instead of doing interviews himself?
Even though they weren’t giving up on MJ yet (since they worked on him for an hour at the hospital), the ambulance that left his house had no sirens or lights. An ambulance in an emergency medical situation, always has sirens and lights.
During the memorial Kenny Ortega said MJ had been there dancing less than a week ago. But at the memorial MJ had been dead for two weeks. Now clearly this could be him misspeaking, but no stone unturned.
Dr. Murray was slated to accompany MJ to London, but he’s not licensed to practice medicine there.
The LAFD fire chief in an interview with a BBC reporter kept referring to MJ as “the patient” from the 911 call. He refused to name him because of “HIPPA” violations. Well by this time the ENTIRE WORLD knew it was Michael Jackson. There is no harm in him stating “Michael Jackson” but he repeated “the patient” over and over and said he couldn’t even confirm his identity because of HIPPA violations. WTFever. The woman interviewing him also repeatedly said something about them picking up Jackson from the place he was practicing instead of his rented home (which is the official story) and he never corrected her. (Later he did mention Michael Jackson by name in an interview with CNN. HIPPA laws extend into death, so why exactly is he breaking HIPPA now when he was so paranoid about it before?)
In interviews the entire family continues to refer to MJ in present tense. One of the most striking examples is La Toya rolling down her car window and saying something about how they all appreciate the fan support, and Michael does too. Oh does he? What an odd statement to make. Even Paris’ speech at the memorial, moving as it was, is in present tense. “I just wanted to say that ever since I was born, Daddy has been the best daddy you could possibly imagine. And I just want to say that I love him so much.” That’s all present tense. Paris isn’t lying. She also is probably genuinely emotional considering how she worries about her daddy.
AFTER many people, including a site getting a lot of media attention called Michael Jackson Hoax death, whines and complains for weeks about how there only seems to be one photograph of Dr. Murray and no video… only THEN does TMZ and a couple of other places conveniently start to show new photographs and even a video (which there is no way to tell is Dr. Murray at all.) Are they responding to our suspicions? Why are they just now all of a sudden producing a few extra photos and videos? Even so, why are papparazzi not camped out at this man’s house if they know the location? Why don’t get get more photographs and video of him? Does this seem very likely?
Diprivan is not a common drug for recreational drug use. It’s a rather bizarre drug to abuse. Nor is it a drug that makes you feel at all rested (as you dont’ get REM) It is a completely pointless drug for anyone with an “addiction” or “need for sleep” to take. Further, a story has been floating around about how MJ had an anasthesiologist on tour with him years ago. This makes NO sense given what is factually true about these drugs… namely that you CANNOT get rest. he wouldn’t have been able to perform. This sounds to me like another hyperbaric chamber or elephant man bones story. Also, people who take Diprivan long term develop amnesia and motor coordination problems. MJ researched everything,which is probably why he was so into organic foods. Why would he not research something more dangerous he was putting into his body? And why would he put it into his body if it could affect his ability to dance? How could MJ have done the tours where supposedly he was on Diprivan, if he didn’t get rest PLUS was going to have motor coordination problems? Has anyone SEEN MJ dance? It’s not like Ozzy jumping around on stage.
The LAPD didn’t mark the house off as a crime scene and the family was in and out of the house for FOUR days before the LAPD thought “hey maybe we’ve got a crime scene here.” It is said that the family took things out, but they just as easily could have planted things. (such as drugs and such that were later found.) If the family was taking a bunch of things out… why would they leave the drugs in? If they suspected foul play why would they compromise the crime scene?
Dr. Murray’s office and home were only RECENTLY raided, after a MONTH from the death. Shouldn’t that have been done sooner? Won’t all evidence be gone?
Supposedly files were removed from Dr. Murray’s office on the day of MJ’s death 3 hours before the hospital was called, which calls into question how long Dr. Murray waited to call the paramedics… but…
The picture in the ambulance doesn’t look like a long-dead MJ. It doesn’t even look like a dead MJ (he’s got a popping vein in his forehead. You don’t get that on a dead body.) In fact… the MJ in the ambulance doesn’t even look like MJ circa 2009, but rather like MJ circa 1995 which is another time when he had a collapse and was rushed to the doctor. Could the photograph be photoshopped with earlier images not used by the same tabloid reporter?
The tabloid reporter from TMZ who got the “last photo” of Michael Jackson, just happens to be a licensed EMT and wants to quit the paps and go to medical school. That photo sure would pay the way for that.
After the death Joe Jackson in an interview pimped his new record label and said the kids were doing “great.” A little odd, no? How would these kids be doing great? He also claimed Omer Bhatti was MJ’s son and that he knew MJ had a secret son. Omer Bhatti has denied he is MJ’s kid. Even though admitting to such a thing would help his music career. (Omer’s)
TMZ seems to be the first on the scene for EVERY story. They scoop all other major news outlets. Who is feeding them?
There are MANY conflicting reports about MJ’s death. He died in the bedroom, he died in the doctor’s room. Prince witnessed it, not one witnessed it. MJ was already dead when the paramedics got there, MJ was revived and was in a coma, MJ was “worked on” for over an hour, MJ’s body was warm (incidentally a medical fact about cardiac arrest is his body would have been cold), MJ’s body was cold, MJ looked peaceful like he was sleeping, MJ’s face had been battered by CPR (huh?), The casket was closed at the memorial because the face had been battered by CPR… but the kids saw him in the private memorial, he’s been cremated, no he hasn’t, the body is missing, the body hasn’t been released to the family yet, the body has been released, the body is in a secret location, and on and on and on and on. There is not ONE fact about MJ’s “death” that anyone can agree on. (And yes, at this point I”m putting “death” in parenthesis until any two people on the face of the planet can get their story straight.)
On July 6th, 2002 MJ gave a speech that was basically about bringing Sony and especially Tommy Mottolla down, who MJ described as an evil man, the devil, and a racist. (Mottolla reportedly did some scary shit to Mariah Carey his ex-wife.) The very NEXT DAY, July 7th, 2002 is the date of the will that has been brought up as MJ’s will. Clearly the man feared for his life then. Is there any reason to suspect that fear was unfounded or died away? He also believed Sony was in some way involved with the child molestation trial. After all, how could MJ defend his 50% stake in the Sony catalog if he was in prison? (People have claimed MJ was broke, but he made hundreds of millions of dollars a year from his holdings in the Sony catalog. How can he be broke or in debt?)
The custody case is being settled out of court after many delays. (This may or may not have anything to do with anything. But there is a lot of suspicion surrounding the many delays in many areas of this situation.) It’s been reported that the custody to Katherine Jackson is temporary. many believe custody will eventually be transferred over to Rowe. But why would it? If MJ is alive, the custody to Katherine is temporary for obvious reasons.
MJ rehired attorney John Branca three weeks before his “death.” He also rehired several others like Frank Dileo and Karen Faye.
The 911 operator HUNG UP on the caller saying to call back if they needed anymore help. That is 100% against 911 policy. They have to stay on the line until the paramedics get there.
Within a few hours of the cardiac arrest, all of Jackson’s staff was fired. (Why wouldn’t they keep them on for security detail for the house instead of ransacking it and screwing up a possible crime scene?) In fact, most of the staff doesn’t seem to have seen much of anything and firing them would be a good way to keep them FROM seeing anything. They were removed from the premises immediately and then fired very soon after that.
La Toya has been interviewed by Tabloids (for money) where she’s said MJ was murdered and she will reveal by who if the police don’t. Joe and Katherine have also stated they believe there is foul play. Why wouldn’t La Toya just go to the police?
There were no drugs found in MJ’s home until the second search. (after family members have been there.)
Conrad Murray had been Jackson’s doctor for 11 days.
At the end of the memorial: “I’m here and I’m alive forever” flashed on the screen with a picture of MJ. As well as the end picture from Liberian Girl where MJ was directing a video unseen by the participants.
A mysterious source has released the pepsi footage of MJ’s burn accident from 1984. Pepsi is reportedly outraged by the leak. Michael Jackson had the only footage. Who released this footage and why? And oh hey… it supports the drug theory!
TMZ released the 911 call first. How did they get it? They also released the “place with no name” unreleased song clip.
In yet another “contradictory story” MJ’s chef, after a FULL MONTH comes out with her story of the day of MJ’s death. Supposedly Prince was called in to witness the CPR. Now one could say this is very suspicious and maybe Dr. Murray was trying to build a defense showing he tried to save MJ. But… if this kid really witnessed this, wouldn’t he have been traumatized? And is there any evidence he was traumatized at the memorial? And what about Joe Jackson a few days after the death saying the kids were doing “great.” Would Prince be “doing great” if he’d witnessed such a traumatizing scene? So then why is the chef lying about this? To the Associated Press of all places (If you’re going to lie, why not lie to the Tabloids and make money?) On top of all this, we have yet another witness (the chef), saying there was no evidence of MJ abusing RX drugs. hmmmm. So many conflicting stories.
The Michael Jackson Memorial is listed on IMDB.com and not only the singers and speakers but the family and Michael Jackson himself is listed as “Cast” A bit of an odd way to classify it.
When Jermaine sang “Smile” at the memorial, he mixed some lyrics up… instead of “Hide any trace of sadness” he sang “Hide any trace of gladness.” and “light up your face with sadness.” If it’s just a slip of the tongue, then how did he slip on BOTH lyrics? And completely reverse them? This can clearly be heard in the Memorial footage.
This Is It is listed in IMDB for release date October 30th, but the page was created on July 6th, 2009, one day before the memorial. This was before they had supposedly spoken to a judge to get permission to do it, before they’d supposedly sold the rights. The reality is, they moved on this deal IMMEDIATELY when MJ “died.” They did not wait and mourn. The wheels are already set in motion and the deal is already done at least one day before the memorial.
Everyone is speaking of MJ in present tense that is being interviewed. Anyone who didn’t know MJ was dead certainly wouldn’t know it after most of these interviews either.
In the 911 call, the caller says that they are calling from 100 North Carolwood drive, Los Angeles California, 90077. Now if you go to googlemaps and check that out… there is a business at that address called RNA construction. The number listed with it is disconnected.
Remember how none of the friends of MJ, the real close friends, showed up at the memorial? All making excuses about how sad they were or whatever? Quincy Jones couldn’t go because it was so sad after James Brown. Well James Brown died three years ago. I mean come on. Then Macaulay Culkin has been pretty radio silent and didn’t even attend the memorial. He hasn’t even said anything about MJ. (Neither has Oprah.) Culkin’s sister recently died so we could cut him some slack. That’s gotta be tragic… but.. John Hughes… director of Home Alone recently passed, Culkin is paying tribute to him… yet he has pretty much ignored MJ’s death. WHY? That’s a little on the strange side. They were friends for over nearly 20 years.
Kenny Ortega and several of the dancers from the This Is It tour have made bizarre and cryptic comments on their Twitter accounts, obliquely referencing this project after MJ’s death. They are a little too giddy. The dancers still have their contracts (2 year contracts, which indicate whatever was being planned was more than just 50 shows.) The dancers are also under special agreements where they can’t talk about certain things. One of the dancers named Timor, talked about MJ on a dutch television program after the death. He kept speaking about MJ in present tense saying things like: “He loves life” Even the host noticed all this present tense talk, got a puzzled look on his face and asked WHY he was speaking about him in present tense… he said something like MJ was in his heart or something. He also has a twitter account in which he mentions getting on a plane and going to LA and about it being a small step for him, but a big step for the world. Oh really? Don’t you have to be a meglomaniac to think anything you’re doing in LA is a big step for the world? Timor didn’t strike me as a meglomaniac.
During a Larry King Live interview (another one), Jermaine continues to talk about MJ in present tense, saying things like “he reads everything.” Oh really? Does he? It’s been 6 weeks, and Jermaine and everyone else talks about MJ as if he’s still alive. Anyone who didn’t know MJ had died, wouldn’t know it now either.
There was no insurance on MJ with AEG for death supposedly, it was only for non-performance.
MJ supposedly had a 3 million dollar life insurance policy. (Why for so little when Heath Ledgers was for 10 million and MJ is WAY bigger than Heath Ledger. Isn’t 3 million dollars about like a roll of quarters to MJ?) We’ve heard stories in legitimate newspapers that someone let the life insurance lapse… in which case it wouldn’t be paid out. But then we hear other reports that the life insurance has paid out… due to the apparently supernatural powers of Branca and McLain to make it happen. In a situation like this, an insurance company will do everything they can not to have to pay out. There is no way they paid out before things are all settled. Not buying it. Sorry. Not only this, but supposedly the reports where the life insurance was paid is in SEALED court documents that no one can read. IF Life insurance paid 3 million, isn’t it MORE likely the life insurance was just cashed out… the money that was paid into it? You can cash out your life insurance if you’re still alive. And NO insurance company is going to pay out with so many questions swirling around about the death. They have big time attorneys too. John Branca is brilliant, but he wouldn’t intimidate an insurance company.
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I saw that one already but good job posting this!
This is meaningfull information for all of us :mrgreen:
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Just a point. If youve read "The Magic and the Madness" it says that Michael himself put out the rumors about the Elephant Man bones and the Hyperberic Chamber...that fooled the media.
So this is just on a MUCH larger scale. Maybe?
L.O.V.E
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Just a point. If youve read "The Magic and the Madness" it says that Michael himself put out the rumors about the Elephant Man bones and the Hyperberic Chamber...that fooled the media.
So this is just on a MUCH larger scale. Maybe?
L.O.V.E
True! I've seen the movie "Michael Jackson - Man in the mirror" And in that movie it's explained that Mikey never went to rehab either! He had to get away from all the pressure of all the lawsuits against him (during his child molestation stuff *still those people who did that to him make me sick*) It was Elizabeth Taylor who was worried about him, because he didn't eat well, didn't sleep well and she said you've got to get away for a while let us solve this for you " I know something, you're in "rehab" " Don't know if any of you saw this movie and knows what I'm talking about?
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Just a point. If youve read "The Magic and the Madness" it says that Michael himself put out the rumors about the Elephant Man bones and the Hyperberic Chamber...that fooled the media.
So this is just on a MUCH larger scale. Maybe?
L.O.V.E
True! I've seen the movie "Michael Jackson - Man in the mirror" And in that movie it's explained that Mikey never went to rehab either! He had to get away from all the pressure of all the lawsuits against him (during his child molestation stuff *still those people who did that to him make me sick*) It was Elizabeth Taylor who was worried about him, because he didn't eat well, didn't sleep well and she said you've got to get away for a while let us solve this for you " I know something, you're in "rehab" " Don't know if any of you saw this movie and knows what I'm talking about?
Yes, that's what I always believed.
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Ooh I do like a good recap. It gets me all fired up again!
Earlier today I had a 'wobble'. I just thought OMG what IF?!?!
Now I've read that I'm back to my normal self. If he is dead then it was murder and we will seek justice. :evil:
Thanks for that it makes really good reading.
xxx melanie xxx
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Thanks for posting this! It helps when all the facts are written in one place... Even people who don't believe in hoax couldn't deny this..
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Wow, I didn't know there is a movie called Man in the Mirror.
I didn't even know he played in Men in black part 2
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Isn't that the movie with Flex as MJ? If so, I've got that one! Didn't really notice the part you mentioned but now, I'll definitely rewatch it so I can find it. MIB 2...don't remember seeing that one either. Guess I'll be going to the library to check that one out :lol:
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LOL! HE SO ISNT DEAD LMAO.
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Add this to the weird list!
This is a strange statement to make especially from a physician:
"His personal physician, Conrad Murray, stated he found Jackson in his room, not breathing but with a faint pulse, and administered CPR to no avail."
What is Cardiac Arrest?
Cardiac arrest is the sudden, abrupt loss of heart function.
http://www.americanheart.org/presenter (http://www.americanheart.org/presenter). ... ifier=4481
It is not possible to have a faint pulse if your heart has suddenly and completely stopped!
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Thanks for sharing this! This is awesome. Now I finally have something to show to someone who wants to know why I believe he is alive.
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@Serenitys_Dream take a look at your sig pic...there appears to be a face in the middle of that black t-shirt. Talk about weird. Nice sig btw. Thought my eyes were playing tricks w/ me when I saw this "pop up" in the vid during Janet's VMA performance. :lol: Good to know someone got a still shot of it :)
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Thankyou for this, makes life a lot easier lol
:)
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@Serenitys_Dream take a look at your sig pic...there appears to be a face in the middle of that black t-shirt. Talk about weird. Nice sig btw. Thought my eyes were playing tricks w/ me when I saw this "pop up" in the vid during Janet's VMA performance. :lol: Good to know someone got a still shot of it :)
I know right...that's the whole point of the picture! :lol:
By the way that is my face you see on his chest ;) 8-)
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@Serenitys_Dream take a look at your sig pic...there appears to be a face in the middle of that black t-shirt. Talk about weird. Nice sig btw. Thought my eyes were playing tricks w/ me when I saw this "pop up" in the vid during Janet's VMA performance. :lol: Good to know someone got a still shot of it :)
I know right...that's the whole point of the picture! :lol:
By the way that is my face you see on his chest ;) 8-)
Aahhh...got'cha...veerrryyy clever :mrgreen:
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@Serenitys_Dream take a look at your sig pic...there appears to be a face in the middle of that black t-shirt. Talk about weird. Nice sig btw. Thought my eyes were playing tricks w/ me when I saw this "pop up" in the vid during Janet's VMA performance. :lol: Good to know someone got a still shot of it :)
I know right...that's the whole point of the picture! :lol:
By the way that is my face you see on his chest ;) 8-)
Aahhh...got'cha...veerrryyy clever :mrgreen:
Really it is a screen shot from I took off a youtube video...I am only joking! :lol:
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Really it is a screen shot from I took off a youtube video...I am only joking! :lol:
:lol: 8-)
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Isn't that the movie with Flex as MJ? If so, I've got that one! Didn't really notice the part you mentioned but now, I'll definitely rewatch it so I can find it. MIB 2...don't remember seeing that one either. Guess I'll be going to the library to check that one out :lol:
uh yes i believe so! it wasnt played by mj himself, but its a very interesting movie!
It's called: Michael jackson the movie man in the mirror its on youtube ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTX-Ndy0810&feature=PlayList&p=4A56BC933CEA01D7&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KItSNUQ ... 7&index=24 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KItSNUQNHU&feature=PlayList&p=4A56BC933CEA01D7&index=24) this is the part of liz taylor i've mentioned
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Thanks for posting
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Thanks for posting this! I feel renewed! :D
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Thanks for posting, GREAT SUMMARY...
To add to list - No landlines at house (security) but they had landlines at Neverland (why change)
Voice in the background during 911 call (says 1 minute left I think)
Contradictory reports of what Michael looked like "frail old man", veins completely collapsed, couldn't get an IV site, riddled with injection marks - versus ambulance photo (hardly frail old man - even though it's not real :lol: ), evidence of our own eyes during TII when we saw parts of his arms, his neck etc., no marks.
Contradictory and increasingly doubtful/discredited claims from doctors approached by Michael for drugs eg Susan Etok....
I am trying to convince a friend at work - the ambulance footage reeled him in!!- this should do the trick THANKS :D :D
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Michael Jackson Fakes Death, Goes Into Hiding written on the day, as a joke, but why does it resemble what we finding out?
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm? ... e=s3i55169 (http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i55169)
It all sounds stupid, but how much FACT is in there?
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Michael Jackson Buys Coffin For Neverland Ranch
The Sun reports Michael Jackson has splashed out $34,000 on a gold-plated coffin. Jacko picked the ornate design from a catalogue after visiting an undertaker in Las Vegas. He then asked shocked workers to ship the box to his Neverland Ranch in California, and many speculate it was purchased for his own funeral.
http://popdirt.com/michael-jackson-buys ... anch/7886/ (http://popdirt.com/michael-jackson-buys-coffin-for-neverland-ranch/7886/)
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Michael Jackson Buys Coffin For Neverland Ranch
The Sun reports Michael Jackson has splashed out $34,000 on a gold-plated coffin. Jacko picked the ornate design from a catalogue after visiting an undertaker in Las Vegas. He then asked shocked workers to ship the box to his Neverland Ranch in California, and many speculate it was purchased for his own funeral.
http://popdirt.com/michael-jackson-buys ... anch/7886/ (http://popdirt.com/michael-jackson-buys-coffin-for-neverland-ranch/7886/)
thats a funny one cos in the bashit interview he said he didnt want to die so why buy a coffin and keep it in your home
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Was that proof that he was planning the hoax back then?
It does sound like the one at the Memorial and funeral...
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Isn't that the movie with Flex as MJ? If so, I've got that one! Didn't really notice the part you mentioned but now, I'll definitely rewatch it so I can find it. MIB 2...don't remember seeing that one either. Guess I'll be going to the library to check that one out :lol:
uh yes i believe so! it wasnt played by mj himself, but its a very interesting movie!
It's called: Michael jackson the movie man in the mirror its on youtube ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTX-Ndy0810&feature=PlayList&p=4A56BC933CEA01D7&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KItSNUQ ... 7&index=24 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KItSNUQNHU&feature=PlayList&p=4A56BC933CEA01D7&index=24) this is the part of liz taylor i've mentioned
Yep! The very same one I have. Thanks for posting. Much appreciated :)
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Michael Jackson Buys Coffin For Neverland Ranch
The Sun reports Michael Jackson has splashed out $34,000 on a gold-plated coffin. Jacko picked the ornate design from a catalogue after visiting an undertaker in Las Vegas. He then asked shocked workers to ship the box to his Neverland Ranch in California, and many speculate it was purchased for his own funeral.
http://popdirt.com/michael-jackson-buys ... anch/7886/ (http://popdirt.com/michael-jackson-buys-coffin-for-neverland-ranch/7886/)
thats a funny one cos in the bashit interview he said he didnt want to die so why buy a coffin and keep it in your home
Well, I think it was the best answer from him in a situation like that. And, if he really did buy a coffin... Well, no-one can escape the reality.
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About weird things, i received this message on my youtube channel
Michael jackson died at 11:00
Dr murray called to Las Vegas at 11:18 to 11:49
Then he called again in Las Vegas from 11:49 - 11:51
Then he called Houston from 11:51 - 12:12
Then he called to a Jackson associate from 12:12 - 12:14
Then a bodyguard said that he saw murray running at 12:15 from house
Dr murray found michael dead at 11:00
Then he chatted with friends for a full hour to tell them about this?
waht do you think? :?:
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what? :shock:
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Just to use this weird list thread ;)
Today I was inspecting my system for viruses, cleaned all the cache and cookies and went ot the bookmark bar.
I had there this site bookmarked :michaeljacksonvictimorgenius.com
Now days is gone, but I know it was registered July 24th.
I remember that site being shown up in a chat. The content was "weird". Was a dark site, little odd, and had the song "little Susie".I remember it said something like we inform you that you not part of us or something similar.
That site was stored in my caché up to a couple of months later, time when i decided to re-check it. And then, surprise, the same site was full of content from a parazzi MJ hater who talked terribly bad about MJ followers as well, mocking on us.
I got very upset of that "sick game" and started back then questioning: why would any paparazzi hater be in a MJ chat room pretending to be a kind guy?
That was the time I realized that some people have different agendas than us and that we are being pulled here and there with clues and riddles by some cruel minds who can see us as a bite to get laugh at and also get money from, since the same day that link was posted to me, many others from a domain called Godaddy was posted as well and we were told to start donating.
Does anybody remember that site? do you remember who posted the site?
Thanks :)
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since the same day that link was posted to me, many others from a domain called Godaddy was posted as well and we were told to start donating.
Does anybody remember that site? do you remember who posted the site?
Thanks :)
Go Daddy is an Internet domain registrar and web hosting company that also sells e-business related software and services. In 2009, it reached more than 36 million domain names under management. Go Daddy is currently the largest ICANN-accredited registrar in the world, and is three times the size of its closest competitor. GoDaddy's domain reseller division is Wild West Domains (wildwestdomains.com), and Wild West uses the secureserver.net domain for many of their webhosting servers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoDaddy
So saying that you are getting something from Godaddy, really doesn't mean a lot...
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Yes it means to get something from godaddy, an I explain to you why. That chat uses private messages as well and by pm I was told that godaddy belongs to MJ. I don´t know if this is true or not.
Anyway, I was asking if someone remembered those sites, where and when the sites were posted that´s all. I was not asking to know about Godaddy ;)
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Add this to the weird list!
This is a strange statement to make especially from a physician:
"His personal physician, Conrad Murray, stated he found Jackson in his room, not breathing but with a faint pulse, and administered CPR to no avail."
What is Cardiac Arrest?
Cardiac arrest is the sudden, abrupt loss of heart function.
http://www.americanheart.org/presenter (http://www.americanheart.org/presenter). ... ifier=4481
It is not possible to have a faint pulse if your heart has suddenly and completely stopped!
Your sig picture was taken during the VMA awards?!? WOW...I didn't even notice! :shock:
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Great! Thanks for this! :)
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Michael Jackson Buys Coffin For Neverland Ranch
The Sun reports Michael Jackson has splashed out $34,000 on a gold-plated coffin. Jacko picked the ornate design from a catalogue after visiting an undertaker in Las Vegas. He then asked shocked workers to ship the box to his Neverland Ranch in California, and many speculate it was purchased for his own funeral.
http://popdirt.com/michael-jackson-buys ... anch/7886/ (http://popdirt.com/michael-jackson-buys-coffin-for-neverland-ranch/7886/)
thats a funny one cos in the bashit interview he said he didnt want to die so why buy a coffin and keep it in your home
Well, I think it was the best answer from him in a situation like that. And, if he really did buy a coffin... Well, no-one can escape the reality.
"Just because you read it in a magazine or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual"
- Michael Jackson
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I was watching "The Michael Jackson Story - Man in the Mirror." and it does mention MJ going to rehab in London. Also J. Randy mention about MJ going to rehab for awhile and then he heard that MJ stayed in different peoples houses. Go to 5:06 and you will see the name of the rehab.
[youtube:1w7sjnxr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJStI3nJuHQ[/youtube:1w7sjnxr]
This is a movie that MJ did not approve of. I see why.
I did hear that MJ had passed around 11:00am.
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Ahhh yes, the Weird List. This is what turned me into a hoax believer. I often read mjtruth's blog, it's great. Thank you for posting the list here, it's very useful! :D
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What do you make of this...?
http://gonzogeek.wordpress.com/2009/06/ ... own-death/ (http://gonzogeek.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/did-michael-jackson-fake-his-own-death/)
And this Also..
http://www.javno.com/en-celebrities/mic ... nce_253230 (http://www.javno.com/en-celebrities/michael-jacksons-car-crashed-into-ambulance_253230)
does the guy on the left look like he doesn't believe Mike is there, he looks confused.
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Just a point. If youve read "The Magic and the Madness" it says that Michael himself put out the rumors about the Elephant Man bones and the Hyperberic Chamber...that fooled the media.
So this is just on a MUCH larger scale. Maybe?
L.O.V.E
True! I've seen the movie "Michael Jackson - Man in the mirror" And in that movie it's explained that Mikey never went to rehab either! He had to get away from all the pressure of all the lawsuits against him (during his child molestation stuff *still those people who did that to him make me sick*) It was Elizabeth Taylor who was worried about him, because he didn't eat well, didn't sleep well and she said you've got to get away for a while let us solve this for you " I know something, you're in "rehab" " Don't know if any of you saw this movie and knows what I'm talking about?
Yes, that's what I always believed.
Just sayin-Man in the Mirror IMO was the possibly the worst and un credible movie ever trying to portray Mike-look the timeline on events were not even correct. It made him look like a true weirdo who thought of the dollar first in all things. It made it also look like "Dangerous" was a failing sell...it was'nt and the Dangerous era was his highest point until the tainting of the first allegations. I also pick and choose what I belive from Torebelli...he acts like he was a super close friend but in reality he was as "close" as the "friends" who came out after June 25th. True some of his book could be backed up and some of it,again,was only "sources".
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:idea:
I see MAGIC on the umbrella at 4.24
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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1129499/filmokey (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1129499/filmokey)
joe jackson listed as actor on larry king live, The Memorial.
Jermaine listed on chat shows as an actor? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0413659/filmoyear (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0413659/filmoyear)
notice though that janet not listed as an actress at memorial
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001390/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001390/)
Michael Listed as performer at his own memorial on will you be there?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/) How??? :?: :?: :?:
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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1129499/filmokey
joe jackson listed as actor on larry king live, The Memorial.
Jermaine listed on chat shows as an actor? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0413659/filmoyear (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0413659/filmoyear)
notice though that janet not listed as an actress at memorial
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001390/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001390/)
Michael Listed as performer at his own memorial on will you be there?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/) How??? :?: :?: :?:
Ok IMDB confuses me-are they like wikipedi-you can take them or leave them? Why is the memorial even on there?
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Michael Listed as performer at his own memorial on will you be there?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/) How??? :?: :?: :?:
he was there and did the spoken word part :mrgreen:
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Michael Listed as performer at his own memorial on will you be there?
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/) How??? :?: :?: :?:
he was there and did the spoken word part :mrgreen:
That spoken word part sounded eerily crisp and live. It had me looking over my shoulder while I was watching it. LOL
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I was just sat thinking how things can have other meanings, i got to thinking about R.I.P, we see that as Rest In Peace, as in Dying, But could just people in on the hoax, actually be just wishing him a peaceful break? Or maybe it could stand for "Resides In Paris" "Resides In Prague."
It's like those Kenny O tweets, TOY - Thinking of you, why when he is using an abreviation is he writing the words out too, I don't think it actually means thinking of you, but something else, i don't know what yet though? :?:
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Isn't SUN like the National Enquire? Also when I looked it up on the TMZ list of all who died past and present, Michael Jackson is not mentioned among the deceased. Patrick Swayze is and so is Martha Stewert's dog but not Michael. To me, that's weird.
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OMG thank you soo much for posting this...from now on if i feel my doubts i am going to come here and read... i am like renewed all over again.. im PUMPED!!!! i feel good again....MICHAEL WE ARE TRUE FANS HERE AND WE WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU!!! I MISS YOU SOOOO MUCH!! Love you more ;)
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I have been looking into how magic illusions are done, i found this one, and though it isn't exactly like Mike, doesn't some things add up to how he has managed to get away.
Magic and Illusion - disappear/re-appear
Question
hello,
i'm looking for an inexpensive and fairly simple way to make someone disappear and re-appear. i'll start by explaining that my daughter is in the high school marching band and i'm the guy that builds all the props and fixes the equipment,etc. well this season the show is about magic and illusion and they've asked me to make a box or something to make someone disappear.i can tell you that the location for the illusion would be out in the middle of a football field and the audience is seated in the grandstand i'm guessing 70 to 100 feet away. there would be nothing near the box like walls or anything,like i said in the middle of the field. low cost is probably the most important thing. the illusion doesn't have to be perfect,we're just adding effect to our show. any ideas you have would be greatly appreciated,the kids our counting on me.
thanks,
Answer
Joe
Hi
No problem. Here's a GREAT method that also allows you to make it as big, simple or complex as you want. But it gives an easy to understand method ... so you can be flexible. Otherwise we'll get into all kinds of problems with me describing mecahnics of things that may not work!
==> Firstly ... how it will look.
I'll describe it as if there are a team of helpers (perhaps dressed in overalls or similar), a girl who will disappear, and someone fronting it as the magician.
==> There's a platform of some kind. It ascts as a focal point. Something like a small set of steps up and down like an Olympic thing ... 3 steps up and 3 down. This would be trotted on and positioned by the crew... dressed the same in say bright color with caps etc.
==> Now the 'magician' enters, claps once and the crew bring on the box or bag (see later) she will vanish from. This is placed on the top step and they form an arc around the steps.
==> Another gesture and the girl arrives. She goes up the steps and the crew assist her climbing into the box, getting in the bag etc.
==> Once done, it is left there in full view and the crew exit.
==> The magician does some build up ... mime or verbal ...ie walks up the steps, bangs the box etc ... dramatic effect ... then revelas she's gone. This can be simply opening, or exploding, burning, picking up and discarding ....anything.
==> At that moment the audience may think shes even hiding in the steps. But wait .... there's a loud "Helloooooo" and she appears behind them running down through and onto the pitch where she and the magician take their applause!
==> The Method
Costuming is vital here. She must wear something that's a total contrast to the overalls the crew wear. What actually happens is that she gets into the container, changes into an overall .... exits and leaves the arena with them! Cheeky huh?!!!!!
So ... she simply puts the overalls (hidden in the box or bag) on top of her other clothes, puts on a cap and sneaks out whilst they are surrounding and jopins the melee / scrum. As this suggests, the more in the crew, the easier and more deceptive this will be.
Obviously just 4 in the crew won't give enough cover and a fifth would be noticed. It's essential that there are around a dozen .... and they all have roles and jobs to do. It must (at the moment of 'escape') be a buzz of activity.
==> The simplest method would be to use a giant cardboard box ... like a washing machine delivery box. Get several of these free! All you then need to do is cut a door in the rear side she sneaks out of (when surrounded) and immediately carries on helping the others.
==> You could adapt the box by slitting the sides and refixing with velcro fasteners etc so that, to show she's gone .... the box can be flattened out.
==> Another possibility is to put her in something like a mail sack. A large canvas bag. Changing clothes will be harder and hiding a slit in the back will be harder. Making it look like there is someone in it when empty is harder ... but it is another possibility.
==> You copuld of course build a special box (ask if you need to) but it isn't necessary and to be honest, a card box looks more innocent!
==> What can a crew do that justifies so many and requires them to surround the sides and provide cover? THIS is KEY!
1) Make it a BIG box and have 4 carry it on.
2)A previous 4 or more could have carried on the steps (on a trolley perhaps) and have set that ... and still be finishing as the box arrives.
3) Use a large ribbon. Have 2 in charge of this. It's laid down first, the centre across the steps, and the box placed on top. Once the box is closed, it's tied around like a giant parcel. Perhaps a double ribbon (cross wise) will give 4 a job of gathering, crossing and tying.
4) Others can have flags, banners and stuff, and they decorate the box with these once it's closed. ie shove them in holes in it, stick them on via velcro etc etc.
Basically, as a crew, they get active ... all of them, keep active, all with a job especially covering the left and right sides with a few at the rear so that, as she gets out ... if there are say 6 bending over and 7 stand up and 4 from each side all IMMEDIATELY trot off .....
==> Performance Tips
> Put one crew member in charge with ciomminicating with the girl. They can work out a code of taps on the box when a) she's changed ready (must be very fast) and b) a return thump when she should come out.
> When the crew exit (with one extra) they should run in a giggling laughing trotting waving bunch .... not in a line. It'll hide the extra person.
> At that same moment the magician should hold stage attention by doing something or saying something important. This can be as simple as unfurling a banner or a big flag to use as a wand ... anything that focuses primary attention on him / her.
> the magician must now kill (fill) enough time for the girl to get round the back, overalls off and ready. The timing is important and can seem like an instant vanish and reappearance.
> Once you've got this working smoothly ... you MUST (repeat MUST) perfrom it several time in situ, with you in the grandstand ... to check timing, angles etc etc. Do this 25 times! Really .....! (NOTICE THEY SAY 25)
Finally .... swear everyone to secrecy. it's a simple method and you don't want anyone spreading this around. As them to be responsible and the new owners of a valuable secret they can use again one day. Once the secret is shared .... it's totally devalued.
Taken a bit to describe this but I think you'll agree ... it's cheap and chearful ... but very effective. It's about timing rather than any magical or building expertise. IF you go ahead .... you may well have issues ... just ask and I can offer ideas. Rehearsal is the key. IF you can, video it ... and look at the results to fine tune.
Let me know and I'd LOVE some feedback on this site.
Good luck
John
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Interesting. (Now think back to 25th, put one person in charge... Jermaine!!??!!!)
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Or it could be Kenny.
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Check This Link out, anyone seen or got a clue what this movie is?? :?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1475354/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1475354/)
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Check This Link out, anyone seen or got a clue what this movie is??
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1475354/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1475354/)
Actually it's not a movie it's a documentary that aired in August (it was the 4th or 5th I remember because I've missed it :twisted: ) on RTL ( German and French)
It was a documentary on Prince and Michael Jackson
talking about their "rivalry" and similarities .
I've seen it , as I like Michael and Prince it was a great treat but it doesn't offer something really interesting .
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Didn't Mike convert to Islam?
Regulations Relating to Shrouding
1. After the body has been dried, it should be shrouded.
2. It is obligatory to shroud the body well.
3. The expenditure on shrouding is to be incurred by those who supported the deceased person during lifetime ; but if there was no supporter and the deceased has left no property, either, it becomes the collective responsibility of the Muslims to bear the shrouding expenses.
4. The minor and the major, the one who has put on the pilgrim's garments and the one who has put them aside have to be shrouded in the same way.
5. The cloth used in shrouding should be of the same quality as the deceased person was permitted to use during life ; for instance, women may be shrouded in silken and coloured cloth, but silken and yellow-coloured shroud is forbidden for men.
6. It is undesirable to use a costly and superior cloth in shrouding, nor a very cheap and inferior cloth, but it should be of moderate quality generally used by the deceased during life.
7. It is preferable to shroud the body in white sheets of cloth, whether old or new.
8. There is no harm if shrouding arrangements are made by the deceased person during life, but it is undesirable to have the grave dug already during one's lifetime.
9. Garments have been prescribed for shrouding the males :
(a) A loose sleeveless shirt (kafni) reaching to the feet,
(b) the lower garment, from head to feet, and
(c) a sheet about two feet longer than the lower garment so that it may be fastened at the head and feet.
10. For the females, the following five garments have been prescribed :
(a) A loose sleeveless shirt,
(b) a lower garment
(c) A head-wrapper, which should cover the head and face, and should not be fastened,
(d) a breast-wrapper, which should vover the head and face, and should not be fastened,
(e) a sheet as for the male.
11. If cloth for the prescribed shroud is not available, only two garments, viz. The sheet and the lower garment, may be used for the male, and three garments, viz. The sheet, the lower garment and the head-wrapper, for the female. If even this is not available, the body may be shrouded in any length of cloth available, and the open portion covered with hay and straw.
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I found all this info on tours that never happened, What do you make of it?
Michael Jackson / Janet Jackson Tour
Janet and Michael Jackson to tour together
Posted on 15 May 2007 (EST)
La Toya Jackson has confirmed the buzz that Janet and Michael will tour together saying there is a "strong, strong
15 May 2007 (Sawf News) - At the recent celebrity launch of Cove Atlantis hotel in the Bahamas, where Janet gave a feisty performance, Extra TV asked La Toya, "Will we ever see Janet and Michael together on tour?"
"I don't want to spill the beans too much but there is a strong, strong, strong possibility…the whole family is a possibility," La Toya responded.
Extra TV: "A Jackson tour again?"
La Toya: "Possibly yes"
There have been rumors that the Janet's family has been shopping a reality TV show and Janet may team up with Michael on stage.
The former King of Pop reportedly approached Simon Fuller, the man who gave the world the Spice Girls and the Beckhams for help with the reality show. However, after several meetings the proposal fell through.
The singer then turned to American Idol judge Simon Cowell, only to be turned down with a firm "No thanks".
"Both Simons are busy with TV and music projects so are unable to commit to him," The Sun quoted a source as saying.
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WORLD TOUR 2007
Michael Jackson To Tour The World in 2007
Michael Jacksons first musical world tour in 10 years will kick of in London at the new build Wembley Stadium and after that continue to The Netherlands, Germany & Spain before he for the first time since the 80's will tour America.
Las Vegas based magician David Blaine is rumored to join Jackson on the tour and designer
Roberto Cavalli is confirmed as the outfit designer for the tour. The tour will start on June 8 2007 in London and Michael Jackson will after that be on tour until December 31 2007. He will do 58 concerts in 47 cities and visiting 31 countries on 6 continent. Approximately 3.5 million fans will have the opportunity to see the king of pop during the 207 days long tour.
The rumored setlist contains all of Jacksons hits but also some newer songs from his latest Studio album Invincible and the song One More Chance from 2003.
More details will be revealed on New Years Eve 2007 by Jacksons spokesperson and manager Raymone Bain
Confirmed Dates:
Wembley Stadium, London, 8th June, 90 000
Wembley Stadium, London, 10th June, 90 000
Amsterdam Arena, Amsterdam, 13th June, 50 000
Weserstadion, Bremen, 16th June, 40 000
Olympia Stadion, Münich, 19th June, 70 000
Olympia Stadion, Münich, 22nd June, 70 000
Commerzbank Arena, Frankfort, 24th June, 50 000
Camp Nou, Barcelona, 30th June, 100 000
Estadio La Cartuja, Sevilla, 4th July, 70 000
Estadio De Gran Canaria, Las Palmas, 6th July, 30 000
Holiodoro Rodriguez Lopez, Santa Cruz, 8th July, 20 000
Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid, 11th July, 80 000
Giants Stadium, New Jersey, 17th July, 80 000
Rose Bowl, Los Angeles, 22nd July, 90 000
Monster Park, San Francisco, 24th July, 70 000
Aloha Stadium, Honolulu, 29th July, 50 000
Rose Bowl, Los Angeles, 1st August, 90 000
Estadio Azteca, Mexico City, 4th August, 110 000
Estadio Azteca, Mexico City, 5th August, 110 000
Estadio Jonalista Mario Eilho, Rio De Janeiro, 10th August, 100 000
Estadio Antonio Vespucio Liberti, Buenos Aires, 15th August, 70 000
Olympic Stadium, Montréal, 18th August, 65 000
National Stadium, Hamilton, 22nd August, 9000
Nya Ullevi, Gothenburg, 1st September, 40 000
Olympia Stadion, Helsinki, 7th September, 40 000
Parken Stadion, Copenhagen, 9th September, 40 000
Luzhniki Stadion, Moscow, 12th September, 80 000
Veltins Arena, Gelsenkirchen, 14th September, 60 000
Müngersdofen Stadium, Cologne, 16th September, 50 000
Wembley Stadion, London, 20th September, 90 000
Corke Park, Dublin, 22nd September, 40 000
Stade De France, Saint-Denis, 25th September, 80 000
Stadio Olimpico, Rome, 28th September, 80 000
Stadionul Lia Manollu, Bucharest, 30th September, 60 000
Jeque Zayed Stadium, Abu Dhabi, 5th October, 50 000
Jawaharlal Nehru Stadium, New Delhi, 12th October, 100 000
Rajamangala Stadium, Bangkok, 14th October, 65 000
National Stadium, Kuala Lumpor, 19th October, 100 000
National Stadium, Kuala Lumpor, 21st October, 100 000
Stadium Of Singapore, Singapore, 26th October, 55 000
Memorial Stadium, Manila, 28th October, 30 000
Olympic Stadium, Tokyo, 2nd November, 60 000
Olympic Stadium, Tokyo, 3rd November, 60 000
Olympic Stadium, Tokyo, 4th November, 60 000
Yokohoma Stadium, Yokohoma, 10th November, 70 000
Olympic Stadium, Seoul, 16th November, 70 000
Olympic Stadium, Seoul, 18th November, 70 000
Hongkong Stadium, Hongkong, 24th November, 40 000
Hongkong Stadium, Hongkong, 27th November, 40 000
Chungshan Soccer Stadium, Taipei, 30th November, 40 000
Chungshan Soccer Stadium, Taipei, 2nd December. 40 000
Telsta Stadium, Sydney, 8th December, 80 000
Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane, 12th December, 50 000
Perry Lakes Stadium, Perth, 15th December, 30 000
Melbourne Cricket Ground, Melbourne, 18th December, 80 000
Eden Park, Auckland, 22nd December, 45 000
Stade Des Martyrs, Kinshasa, 25th December, 80 000
FNB Stadium, Johannesburg, 31st December, 80 000
Press information:
Michael Jackson Company Int
Contact person:
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Phone: 115-05-789-789-12
Email: http://www.pr-inside.com/ccontact300251457.htm (http://www.pr-inside.com/ccontact300251457.htm)
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WORLD TOUR 2007
Michael Jackson To Tour The World in 2007
2006-12-29 Source
Recent tour details released by PR Inside have been put down as a hoax according to the King of Pop's general manager Raymone Bain. Details released yesterday claimed the singer would tour in 2007, given details of venues, dates and management contact details.
Raymone Bain
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NEW WORLD TOUR 2008
Michael Jackson to tour next year? Brother Jermaine hints at new world tour for 2008
November 26, 2007
Michael Jackson is set to rejoin The Jackson Five for a world tour next year, according to his brother Jermaine.
The brothers – Tito, Jermaine, Michael, Jackie, Marlon and Randy – last toured together as a six-piece in 1984 before Michael left, in between his massive-selling 'Thriller' and 'Bad' albums.
Jermaine said: “We feel we have to do it one more time. We owe that to the fans and to the public.”
Asked whether Michael would be involved, Jermaine told BBC 6Music: “He has to be, he is a Jackson. He was at the meetings. Michael will be involved.”
The reunion had been delayed by Michael’s infamous 2005 court case, but the brothers are currently recording some new material as well as finalising details for their tour.
Michael Jackson was being lured to Australia for 2011 tour Cameron Adams June 27, 2009 12:00AM
MICHAEL Jackson was being lured to tour Australia in 2011.
Promoter Paul Dainty, who brought Jackson Down Under in 1996, was in negotiations for a return visit.
"We were looking at bringing him back, but it was in the very early stages," Dainty said.
"Australia was definitely on the list of countries he wanted to go to. They were going to do Japan then Australia."
He was due to go to London next month to see Jackson's live show and continue discussions about the Australian leg of what was to be the superstar's farewell concert.
The promoter revealed Jackson next week was due to announce a string of extra London shows for 2010.
The initial 50 shows sold out, with the first concert scheduled for July 13 at the 23,000-seat 02 Arena.
"It just shows you what a powerhouse he was, despite all the negative press he gets.
"They were about to announce a bunch more shows in London in 10 days.
"They had 300,000 to 400,000 people just on a waiting list for tickets, and they'd already sold 600,000 tickets. Even U2 and the Stones don't even come close. That's phenomenal demand."
Dainty said no one expressed concerns over his health during negotiations for an Australian tour.
The singer had passed a physical his promoters required for insurance purposes.
Jackson's international promoter, AEG, now has to return close to $100 million for the London shows.
Billboard magazine said the company already had paid Jackson a $12 million advance and had already spent close to $40 million on production costs.
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WORLD TOUR 2008
Michael Jackson Plotting 2008 World Tour
To pay off his debts...
Michael Jackson is reportedly planning a 2008 world tour to help pay off his mounting debts.
Us columnist Roger Friedman has broke the story, claiming that the King of Pop is in talks with concert promoters AEG to do a three month stint around the globe beginning in March.
Although Jackson or his people are yet to confirm the news, Friedman seems convinced, saying: "He is so deeply in debt and at such a crisis point in his finances, that he and (publicist Raymone) Bain may be using potential proceeds from a tour as a leverage for refinancing his $325million in loans.
”The refinancing was due on December 1. Not only did it not happen, but Jackson is now in default on $300million secured on his Neverland Ranch.”
Michael Jackson String Of Shows At London’s O2 Arena In 2008?
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Wow....a lot of touring was planned..... Let's see what will happen on 2010 ;)
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That was a lot of tours, your right, we will have to see what 2011 holds?
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That was a lot of tours, your right, we will have to see what 2011 holds?
Maybe a Jackson 5 reunion, like they said...
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I have just noticed something with Pepsi...
I was daydreaming looking at the name on a can, and i noticed something, it actually jumped out at me...
PEPSI upside down reads isded.
A little off topic,but still linked to Mike as he was in their commercial, i just thought, everything we see is saying "Dead" or "Hoax" in someway.
Sony... Make.Belieive, Pepsi... isded.
Make.Believe.is.ded. :P
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This is very Prophetic or maybe laying the 1st clue??
Stacy Brown: 'Michael Jackson will not be alive in 10 years'The author of Michael Jackson's biography "Michael Jackson: The Man Behind The Mask", Stacy Brown, predicts that Michael will not be alive in 10 years. By Entertainment News Staff, -
15th of July 2005, 21:01 GMT
The author of Michael Jackson's biography "Michael Jackson: The Man Behind The Mask", Stacy Brown, predicts that Michael will not be alive in 10 years. Brown says the mega-star singer will "crash and burn" within the next decade.
She writes: "I don't think Michael Jackson will be alive in 10 years time.
It's amazing to me that what happened to Elvis hasn't happened to him. He lives on the edge. He's bound to crash and burn. He's 87 pounds and six foot tall - that's unhealthy.
I don't think he has it in him to take his own life. I don't see him putting a gun to his head. It'll be an accidental overdose - something like that.
It's the most tragic story in pop music history - and he's not dead yet."
A few days ago, Stacy declared that a black jury would have sent Michael in prison. Stacy believes the superstar is not so popular among African-Americans, because of the way he has snubbed his own kind - and only turned to them when he needed their support.
If she makes this prediction so precise, maybe she should look at being a horoscope writer. :P
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Stacey Brown is a man. He's the guy who supposedly was going to write a tell all trashy MJ book with Jermaine.
The dude is a straight up hater.
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There are several other oddities.
To name a few.
For some weeks, security are said to have been increased gradually untill the place was crawling with guards around 25 th June. Fans have mentioned that they were being kept away from Michael and that they sent him letters in which they expressed their concern for his savety and health, some even given to him the same night. Why was security increased, was a threat anticipated? Was it an issue of someone getting IN or someone getting OUT?
With security literally all over the place, and in state of 'alert' how was it possible that
- Michael was given a lethal injection?
- Security recordings have been rumoured to have gone missing
- It took so long to call 911, security has detailed protocols on how to deal in such scenario's. 911 should have been called ASAP.
The version of the death certificate that was publically distributed on the internet has red letters across 'INFORMATIONAL, NOT A VALID DOCUMENT FOR IDENTIFICATION'. That is clear.
The signature is not only blanked out on this version, there is no trace of it, not even one single pen stroke.
Personal belongings he likely would like to have with him were rumoured to have been taken out of the house by the family such as his bedsheets and his computer with his songs on it.
There are several issues in the summary of the autopsy report as given by the Associated Press, such as height, weight, tattoos, hairdo of which the validity may be argued
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According to several reports by fans, they were kept away from Michael because one of the fans had leaked to the press telling them that Michael said he only agreed to do 10 shows, not 50. Apparently the fans also noticed his weight declining and were worried for him even though he told them he was fine. They contacted everyone they thought was close to Michael and also gave him letters telling him of their concern. Most of the letters were given to him the night before he "died". It's said that when the report was leaked that security no longer allowed the fans inside or even near Michael. I'm not sure what to believe but is it possible that it wasn't really Michael near the end and that is why security kept the fans at a distance? They would know if that was truly Michael, right? One dancers account from the inside said that Michael started to show up at meetings with his security.
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According to several reports by fans, they were kept away from Michael because one of the fans had leaked to the press telling them that Michael said he only agreed to do 10 shows, not 50. Apparently the fans also noticed his weight declining and were worried for him even though he told them he was fine. They contacted everyone they thought was close to Michael and also gave him letters telling him of their concern. Most of the letters were given to him the night before he "died". It's said that when the report was leaked that security no longer allowed the fans inside or even near Michael. I'm not sure what to believe but is it possible that it wasn't really Michael near the end and that is why security kept the fans at a distance? They would know if that was truly Michael, right? One dancers account from the inside said that Michael started to show up at meetings with his security.
So Michael was already "Gone"or disappeared at that short time before June 25th?
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According to several reports by fans, they were kept away from Michael because one of the fans had leaked to the press telling them that Michael said he only agreed to do 10 shows, not 50. Apparently the fans also noticed his weight declining and were worried for him even though he told them he was fine. They contacted everyone they thought was close to Michael and also gave him letters telling him of their concern. Most of the letters were given to him the night before he "died". It's said that when the report was leaked that security no longer allowed the fans inside or even near Michael. I'm not sure what to believe but is it possible that it wasn't really Michael near the end and that is why security kept the fans at a distance? They would know if that was truly Michael, right? One dancers account from the inside said that Michael started to show up at meetings with his security.
I don't know, find it hard to believe that that would be a reason to keep fans away from him. He also skipped a few rehearsals right before 25th, also strange. And as you say, he even received letters the very night before he disappeared, gives reason for thought.
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Thanks for the posting. I wonder when mjtruth is gonna update, alot of things have happened since Dec. 2009 :|
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According to several reports by fans, they were kept away from Michael because one of the fans had leaked to the press telling them that Michael said he only agreed to do 10 shows, not 50. Apparently the fans also noticed his weight declining and were worried for him even though he told them he was fine. They contacted everyone they thought was close to Michael and also gave him letters telling him of their concern. Most of the letters were given to him the night before he "died". It's said that when the report was leaked that security no longer allowed the fans inside or even near Michael. I'm not sure what to believe but is it possible that it wasn't really Michael near the end and that is why security kept the fans at a distance? They would know if that was truly Michael, right? One dancers account from the inside said that Michael started to show up at meetings with his security.
I don't know, find it hard to believe that that would be a reason to keep fans away from him. He also skipped a few rehearsals right before 25th, also strange. And as you say, he even received letters the very night before he disappeared, gives reason for thought.
I actually heard differently lol I heard that after it got leaked that MJ was upset bout how they bumped him from 10 to 50 shows. They raised security to KEEP MJ AWAY FROM THE FANS. I heard he was no longer allowed to discuss to the fans about the concert because of what he told the fan :( ...maybe thats why security was raised but either way...poor michael they controlled everything he did...now its his turn to control the ropes
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a new weird to add onto the weird List:
Michael was not in the "Memoriam List" at the grammys
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:!: 8-) :!:
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This video is strange. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiFT4BDR0iA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiFT4BDR0iA)
If it was already posted, sorry for the repeat.
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Yes I know this video....
I would really like to know who's in there...
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I remembered another weird thing that was discussed months a go...
Remember this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4j9_lR-pkw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4j9_lR-pkw)
It was released as a preview of Michael watching his dancers rehearse for This is It.
Notice the black spot covering someone up? We never found out who exactly they are trying to hide.
It's so strange, why would they release something like this and blur someone out?
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The weirdest thing to me is still the bodybag.
- Why was it white?
- Why when they were taking it to the helicopter it looked normal, with straps
- Why were the straps removed when they took him off the helicopter?
- Why was the bodybag almost flat when they took him off te helicopter?
- Why can you still see the other bodybag (with straps!) in the helicopter?
And the weirdest one;
- Why is it clearly visible that the bodybag is MOVING?
I know he is alive, but I don't know which theory is true. If he DID go to the hospital, why would they (?) put him in a bodybag and transport him with a helicopter and a fake bodybag? Wouldn't it just be easy to put a fake bodybag in the helicopter (which is followed by the paps) and let MJ escape the hospital in disguise?
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The weirdest thing to me is still the bodybag.
- Why was it white?
- Why when they were taking it to the helicopter it looked normal, with straps
- Why were the straps removed when they took him off the helicopter?
- Why was the bodybag almost flat when they took him off te helicopter?
- Why can you still see the other bodybag (with straps!) in the helicopter?
And the weirdest one;
- Why is it clearly visible that the bodybag is MOVING?
I know he is alive, but I don't know which theory is true. If he DID go to the hospital, why would they (?) put him in a bodybag and transport him with a helicopter and a fake bodybag? Wouldn't it just be easy to put a fake bodybag in the helicopter (which is followed by the paps) and let MJ escape the hospital in disguise?
I still think there were two MJs in the ambulande/helicopter - one being a double so they could switch bodies
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I still think there were two MJs in the ambulande/helicopter - one being a double so they could switch bodies
I think so too. But why put 2 MJ's in there when they could have just used the body double?
So many questions...
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I still think there were two MJs in the ambulande/helicopter - one being a double so they could switch bodies
I think so too. But why put 2 MJ's in there when they could have just used the body double?
So many questions...
When I say two MJs, I meant one was the body double - impersonator/lookalike - whatever you want to call it
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When I say two MJs, I meant one was the body double - impersonator/lookalike - whatever you want to call it
That's what I meant as wel. ;) . So my question is, why would they put the real MJ and the body double in the same helicopter, when they just could have used the body double?
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Jennifer Hudson singing the "Free Willy" Theme song at the Memorial. About an orca in captivity that was given back it's freedom
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When I say two MJs, I meant one was the body double - impersonator/lookalike - whatever you want to call it
That's what I meant as wel. ;) . So my question is, why would they put the real MJ and the body double in the same helicopter, when they just could have used the body double?
Depends where and when they wanted to make the switch.
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SO, MICHAEL JOE JACKSON IS "DEAD" AND WON'T BE BACK AS MICHAEL JACKSON.
BUT HE WILL BE BACK UNDER THE IDENTIFICATION HE USES NOW OR ANOTHER?
THIS REMINDS ME ALEXANDRE DUMAS' NOVEL "THE COUNT OF MONTE CRISTO":EDMOND DANTES WAS CONSIDERED DEAD BY PEOPLE WHO PUT HIM IN THE LIFE PRISON ON THE ISLAND OF MONTE CRISTO TO DIE. HOWEVER, in TEN years Dantès debuts in public as the Count of Monte Cristo, a mysterious and fabulously rich aristocrat TO TAKE REVENGE FROM PEOPLE WHO TOOK HIS YOUTH AND HAPPINESS TO MARRY HER FIANCE MERCEDES PUTTING HIM IN THE PRISON BECAUSE OF POLITICAL ISSUES RELATED TO PROSECUTOR .
I have read this book 2 times when I was 15 years old. I was in love with this book as I am in love with Michael. I really hope that Michael will be our Monte Cristo hero. But with 1 condition, not in 10 years Michael please.
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I'm not sure if you already said this in the list but I was reading up on my facts EVERYWHERE! I've been everywhere and I recently found this website and i was SO happy! :D
Anyway...I was reading and there was a fact that said:
A couple in 1995 went to a Michael concert and in a drawing (or something, im not quite sure, I cant remember that part) the couple won the Smooth Criminal Fedora, and later on when they were getting it signed by Michael he signed it "With all my love, 1998" when they asked him why he had signed it 1998 he replied "Because that is when I will die"
I just got confused as to how any one person EVEN MICHAEL JACKSON would know this...I'm thinking that possibly 1998 is the original year he planned his fake death but maybe something (the birth of his child in 1997) came up and he couldnt do it... I dont know..just a thought, let me know what you think :)
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Oh, I also wanted to bring up just one more thing, Joe Jackson even said HIMSELF that there was a body double in This is it, if Michael was rehearsing for HIS BIG COMEBACK TOUR! - would HE need to do the rehersals and not the body double. I can assure you, the body double is not gonna be the one doing the tour. And another thing about this is it, somewhere in there, the band messed up and Michael said "We have four years to work on this" how could they have 4 years when on June 25th (the day MJ "died") they were 8 days away from going to London for their first show :?: so..I'm not quite sure what this is but...something weird is going on here
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Oh, I also wanted to bring up just one more thing, Joe Jackson even said HIMSELF that there was a body double in This is it, if Michael was rehearsing for HIS BIG COMEBACK TOUR! - would HE need to do the rehersals and not the body double. I can assure you, the body double is not gonna be the one doing the tour. And another thing about this is it, somewhere in there, the band messed up and Michael said "We have four years to work on this" how could they have 4 years when on June 25th (the day MJ "died") they were 8 days away from going to London for their first show :?: so..I'm not quite sure what this is but...something weird is going on here
I think you might understand a little more if you have the This is It DVD to watch it again, when Michael says "we have 4 years to get it right or its irriversible (spelling) he is talking about saving the planet our environment" hope this helps your understanding.
With the L.O.V.E.
;)
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The Weird List in VIDEOS : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NJPIYDJAVQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NJPIYDJAVQ)
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I didn't really take the time to see if this has already been posted on this thread but... don't you think its WEIRD that Michael Jackson co wrote a comic book along with Gotham Chopra about a pop star (!!?!?) who felt isolated in his fame and decides to suicide but fails and says nothing to the world?
It was reportedly finished on Spring 2009... That is to say months or even weeks or days before Michael "died".
Yes, weird as it may sound, the book (or whatever it is) is called "Fated" and its coming out on June. Which, by the way, is starting to be a very significant month. A lot of things regarding Michael Jackson happened/are going to happen in June i.e Murray's next hearing, Michael's "death" last year, etc.
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I still cannot swallow the Cirque De Soleil thing!! Its not like they said they are teaming up with IMAGES of MJ, or MJ's PEOPLE, they are saying they are teaming up with HIM.
WTF?!
this if anything screams he is alive. I never saw the video on his official website until now and I am speechless.
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That video made me upset. For heavens sake! people believes MJ is dead!! how do they come with such an ambiguous intro as MJ and cirque du soleil together :evil:
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That video made me upset. For heavens sake! people believes MJ is dead!! how do they come with such an ambiguous intro as MJ and cirque du soleil together :evil:
Maybe that's the way they wanna make fans go :?: :?: :?:
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When I say people believe MJ is dead I mean every person who is not in to hoax theories, fans or not fans. The promo makes me wonder :?
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HERE ARE SOME VERYYYYYYY STRANGE THINGS THAT I DONT KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN MENTIONED OR NOT
1. first of all you guys remember when Janet performed Scream at the VMAs?! (yes the kanye taylor vmas)
Did any of you guys think her voice sounded weird? was it her or was it Michael?! listen to this without the music and TELL me this does not sound like Michael changing his voice :!:
[youtube:3r8l3nxe]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGed4hwuNIM[/youtube:3r8l3nxe]
2. I don't remember the exact date, but I found this out the night of the Grammys.
TMZ made a list of everybody that had passed in 2009, and michael was NOT on that list!!! And the admins were even approached and asked about it and they were just like "hmm...go figure." WTF?!
3. At the end of this is it, Michael blows a kiss to the audience and his image freezes. Then the title spells out "Michael Jackson, King Of Pop" I dont know exactly what it says but then it says underneath "Love Lives Forever" and THATS IT.
Come on, THIS IS IT Michaels final production days before his "Death" and NO R.I.P 1958-2009 or anything?!?!
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Me dizzy! I do not know what to think ...
And as Michael said in TII with: "We have only four years to save the planet" (or something like that)??? What does he mean? Can someone explain to me?
He was definitely a political statement, and such a suggestion is explosive ... What do you think?
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I still cannot swallow the Cirque De Soleil thing!! Its not like they said they are teaming up with IMAGES of MJ, or MJ's PEOPLE, they are saying they are teaming up with HIM.
WTF?!
this if anything screams he is alive. I never saw the video on his official website until now and I am speechless.
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The male voiceover for the MJ/Cirque Du Soleil show is Don LaFontaine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_LaFontaine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_LaFontaine)
http://www.donlafontaine.com/Index.html (http://www.donlafontaine.com/Index.html)
As you can clearly see....Don LaFontaine DIED in Sept. 2008....this piece had to have been recorded before his death...therefore, this MJ/CDS collaboration had been in place LONG before his "Death" in June 2009.
Hmmmmmmm.......
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I still cannot swallow the Cirque De Soleil thing!! Its not like they said they are teaming up with IMAGES of MJ, or MJ's PEOPLE, they are saying they are teaming up with HIM.
WTF?!
this if anything screams he is alive. I never saw the video on his official website until now and I am speechless.
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The male voiceover for the MJ/Cirque Du Soleil show is Don LaFontaine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_LaFontaine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_LaFontaine)
http://www.donlafontaine.com/Index.html (http://www.donlafontaine.com/Index.html)
As you can clearly see....Don LaFontaine DIED in Sept. 2008....this piece had to have been recorded before his death...therefore, this MJ/CDS collaboration had been in place LONG before his "Death" in June 2009.
Hmmmmmmm.......
Do you mean the voice that we hear in the video promotion?
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I still cannot swallow the Cirque De Soleil thing!! Its not like they said they are teaming up with IMAGES of MJ, or MJ's PEOPLE, they are saying they are teaming up with HIM.
WTF?!
this if anything screams he is alive. I never saw the video on his official website until now and I am speechless.
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The male voiceover for the MJ/Cirque Du Soleil show is Don LaFontaine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_LaFontaine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_LaFontaine)
http://www.donlafontaine.com/Index.html (http://www.donlafontaine.com/Index.html)
As you can clearly see....Don LaFontaine DIED in Sept. 2008....this piece had to have been recorded before his death...therefore, this MJ/CDS collaboration had been in place LONG before his "Death" in June 2009.
Hmmmmmmm.......
Do you mean the voice that we hear in the video promotion?
yhea he means that voice and that is :shock: . So yeah, when he died in September, they prerecorded this and this means this idea is more then 2 years old :). Or is it possible to digitally edit this voice so this voice says the thing that you write in a computer or something like that??
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Eeewww, that´s bizarre. Editing the voice of a dead person? what´s the need for?
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To clarify, yes....I meant that the male voiceover voice on the new MJ/CDS promo piece released in the last couple of months is that of Don LaFontaine....who died in Sept. 2008....this indicates to me that the MJ/CDS collaboration was in place well before MJ's "Death" in June of 2009.
I don't believe for one second that his voice was digitally altered from previous recordings to make this promo piece. Why not simply use another voiceover talent then? Even though Don LaFontaine was probably the most well known voiceover voice ever, he certainly wasn't the only person to ever do it....unless there is someone out there that is impersonating him after his death...which I also highly doubt....
No....this is a very subtle clue that most people wouldn't pick up on....I just happened to put it together because it caught my attention in Sept. 2008 when Don died and then 18 months later, when I heard his voice in the MJ/CDS promo piece, I remembered his death....if you listen to his voice, it is quite distinctive...we've all heard it a thousand times....but certain things stick in my mind, like this and other things that SHOULD stick in my mind, don't....the tragedy of growing older!
:lol:
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To clarify, yes....I meant that the male voiceover voice on the new MJ/CDS promo piece released in the last couple of months is that of Don LaFontaine....who died in Sept. 2008....this indicates to me that the MJ/CDS collaboration was in place well before MJ's "Death" in June of 2009.
I don't believe for one second that his voice was digitally altered from previous recordings to make this promo piece. Why not simply use another voiceover talent then? Even though Don LaFontaine was probably the most well known voiceover voice ever, he certainly wasn't the only person to ever do it....unless there is someone out there that is impersonating him after his death...which I also highly doubt....
No....this is a very subtle clue that most people wouldn't pick up on....I just happened to put it together because it caught my attention in Sept. 2008 when Don died and then 18 months later, when I heard his voice in the MJ/CDS promo piece, I remembered his death....if you listen to his voice, it is quite distinctive...we've all heard it a thousand times....but certain things stick in my mind, like this and other things that SHOULD stick in my mind, don't....the tragedy of growing older!
:lol:
Okay, yes you're right. I mean there are enough talented Voice to use I think. Just watch all the new cinema trailers with the voiceover. YES, there are enough other talented Voices to use for Voiceovers!.
Thank you very much for this research! Great Job, really! :)
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Why would Michael Jackson come back to America if his life was in danger. Mike had a list of people who were trying to kill him. I would not come back. He had money, places to live, everything he needed to make his escape . But he chose to came back to go through with this hoax that he has been planning for someitme.
WHY WOULD YOU KNOWINGLY GO INTO THE FIRE WITH NO PLAN OF ESCAPE.
HE WAS SMARTER THAN THAT.
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That video made me upset. For heavens sake! people believes MJ is dead!! how do they come with such an ambiguous intro as MJ and cirque du soleil together :evil:
the voice we hear in that video (the same voice that we find in the tii advertisement...) says:"well'make history again" :shock: is it referring to HIStory?? it makes me think about mj's album,don't you?? and then:"cirque du soleil and mj coming together".....can't they use other words??
*LUNA*
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I don't know if this is the right thread but look:
(http://www.img-teufel.de/uploads/OmerTwitter25101029482dc1JPG.jpg) (http://www.IMG-Teufel.de/img_OmerTwitter25101029482dc1JPG.jpg.html) :o
Twitpic from oct. 17 (watch Omer's necklace)
(http://www.img-teufel.de/uploads/1790099798449f637jpg.jpg) (http://www.IMG-Teufel.de/img_1790099798449f637jpg.jpg.html)
And some days before Omer posted this pic, he twitterred:
King Tut.
Nothing else, just these two words. Hmmm...very strange. Shortly after he deleted his post.
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I don't know if this is the right thread but look:
(http://www.img-teufel.de/uploads/OmerTwitter25101029482dc1JPG.jpg) (http://www.IMG-Teufel.de/img_OmerTwitter25101029482dc1JPG.jpg.html) :o
Twitpic from oct. 17 (watch Omer's necklace)
(http://www.img-teufel.de/uploads/1790099798449f637jpg.jpg) (http://www.IMG-Teufel.de/img_1790099798449f637jpg.jpg.html)
And some days before Omer posted this pic, he twitterred:
King Tut.
Nothing else, just these two words. Hmmm...very strange. Shortly after he deleted his post.
:?: :?:
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:shock: :shock:
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hi
you know what is weird too.
on myspace i get a friend request from omar bahatti never asked for one i just get one.
of course i accepted
they say its his real site just freaky!
mjfjei7777
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I've been thinking of number 7...
Just counting BAM day... If you add 777 days to his date of "death"... He would "return" August 11th 2011?
Hahah... Just funny scenario but why not? I would keep my eyes with that Soleil tour and court case. If Murray gets sentenced... Then we are screwed...
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Well those facts really makes sense........ mj_bad/
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I studied to be a magician, and used to hang out with an awful lot of them. To pull off something of this scale? If the Holmby home was similar to Neverland, then it had: tunnels and weight controlled safe rooms. One house I've looked at, you absolutely could NOT open it, as long as there was a person inside the safe room, because their weight kept it from being opened from the outside. Look into the companies that install this stuff.
When Chris Angel is allegedly disappearing from the center of the stage? That's his double, lip-synching him, as he does the real talking from the side of the stage, before he re-appears.
It was an old Madam Tusaurd Dummy head from a casting of Michael in the ambulance, with his mouth open. A resuscitation state-of-the-art dummy was used, in that you can run I.V.s only on certain areas of it. They are made by Hollywood SFX people, but the eyes don't open and close!
Also, the gurney photo was a dead give-away: upper body was larger than lower body. I've had several surgeries over the past few months, and I've been on the correct style of gurney by Stryker, that UCLA uses (I don't go there, different city). Michael's only 5 inches taller than me, and the bloody thing was swallowing me, even with the head up.
Biggest thing I noticed wrong about Michael's alleged death photo? Everyone, when they die - Eyes WIDE OPEN. It's horrifying, you want to forget. They must stitch the eyes closed at the funeral parlor.
Jermaine & Latoya give awsome clues, I shan't say a thing bad about anyone. Of course he didn't see Michael in there, he couldn't get the eye open, because it was a dummy.
I have lots of information, partly because I've been on Propofol 3X in two months. Definitely NOT a sleep drug for insomnia, I was intubated each and every time, because I stopped breathing each and every time.
THAT is when I realized that Michael is the CHESS MASTER, while laying there in the hospital.
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Not sure where to post this so it's going here....
Anyone see the movie Party Monster with Macaulay Culkin? I saw it on TV the other night. He plays a makeup wearing drug addict named Michael, nicknamed "the KING of club kids". His roommate asks him if he thinks he's Peter Pan at Neverland. Then they talk about Janet Jackson. There's also a murder and rehab. Just found it to be an "odd" movie choice (to say the least) for Mac and wanted your thoughts on it, if you've seen it.
Here's a link for the movie. I thought his character was gay but this write up says otherwise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_Monster_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_Monster_)(2003_film)
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hmm in the link mention of it showing a these film festivals. hasn't there been a fair amount of items bout joe going to these things over the last while?
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can someone please post the link for janets performane and the link of the memoriam
sorry guys i cant see it im rushing and reading this
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Have you tried to you tube it? There are thousands of videos. Just search for it....
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I typed in memoriam list in music 2009 in the youtube search.it showed me emmys memoriam and so I opened it.in their they had mainly actors,directors,writers,farah fawcett and mike!isn't it weird that he was put in the emmys memoriam?isn't that based in actors-i know he done a few roles like man in black but it was like an appearance.funny how they show it in their but not in the music memoriam or am I wrong
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Gorjus here you have:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhXim1UdKco[/youtube]
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@ sweetsunset thank you so much will check it out
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I could never find a picture of Michael on a stretcher from the 1995 incident, does anyone know of one?