Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Talk => Topic started by: kingofmystery on March 28, 2010, 05:50:38 PM
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On another thread, someone asked if most of the world believes Michael is dead, then why is there not a bigger movement for justice (re. inconsistencies, apparent cover-up, and Murray only getting charged with Manslaughter, and not second-degree murder). Why isn't there a big wave of protest?
This got me thinking, and clearly on a tangent:
It is up to US to stand up, unite, and speak on behalf and support of Michael. The family has encouraged us to (Randy, Mr. Jackson). If not US, who will? The non-fans?? I don't think so. That is why I have been encouraging everyone on this forum to take also take a stand, and to "protest". We, the fans, are immobilized right now, because we are divided. We need to unify so that we can effectively and powerfully take a stand. That is the only way to make a difference. People need to stopped being distracted by focusing only on the hoax investigation, gold pants, etc., and get out from behind their computer screens, and start being vocal and taking action in their support of Michael. We need to stand up in support and solidarity behind the Jackson family and make a strong message that we need justice for Michael and his legacy. This is not justice about what may or may not have happened on June 25. Look at the big picture and at what is really important. We need to unite and mobilize. If there is not a bigger movement for justice and acts of solidarity, we only have ourselves to blame.
Get over the squabbling if he is dead or not, and unify to support the family and what they are up against!
Yes, this is a "call to action". It's up to us. We can't rely on the government, it is up to us, the people. We have the power to make this the biggest demonstration of freedom in the history of our nation.
To make a big difference, we must collaborate and join forces together. We have hundreds of people listed on this forum as part of the "army of love". viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1934 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1934)
Soldiers, what are you doing? Names on a forum does nothing. It's your actions that matter. We need to join together, and DO something.
http://www.justice4mj.com/
http://twitter.com/justice_4mj
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and what exactly are we supporting/protesting? be more precise please...
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and what exactly are we supporting/protesting? be more precise please...
Support and justice for Michael, as well as love and support for the entire Jackson family. An explanation of the inconsistencies and things that scream conspiracy in this case. Pure and simple.
As many of us that can should be present on April 5 at the courthouse, in support of the Jackson family. If you can't be there, where your T-shirt or arm bands.
Also, depending on how this case evolves, and what we learn from it, we should all consider taking part of the march to Washington,D.C. if we are able. ("One Million MJ Movement")
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=4 ... 201&ref=nf (http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=409117234201&ref=nf)
If Michael is really dead, and if Murray is really responsible, 2nd degree murder should be the charge, not manslaughter. This is what the family is outraged about...that Murray has only been charged with manslaughter, not 2nd degree murder.
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Uniting with other fans does not mean you have to believe Michael is dead. All it means is that you are willing to unite with other fans and supporters to help bring about awareness of the inconsistencies and support for the Jackson family. It is about our common ground. We share the same cause.
It's time to build bridges, not walls between MJ supporters.
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Is anybody listening??
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I'm listening loud and clear and I agree 100%. I, unfortunately live in Australia, but I like your plan, and think the same as you. We claim to be an army, but we choose to sit infront of a computer screen all day, and doing little else. Obviously, I cannot come to the USA and march with you, but I will continue to spread the word in Australia about JUSTICE FOR MJ and his family. I will continue to let everyone know about the movements that they can join. So yes, I am listening and I'm sorry that not many others are.............as always with L.O.V.E xox If there is something you would like me to do to help you, please let me know.....Cheers, from Downunder xoxoxoxo
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I'm in this forum that believe in the hoax, but ... When the Jackson family talks about justice for Michael I think they refer you to do justice, 1 - to clear his name so many slurs, 2 - to discover all those behind the conspiracy, I think Michael did all this for a very serious reason.
In another thread you discuss it we must help the Jackson family justice. I do not live in America, but I talk to people I know, and there are many who are Convinced of the injustice that was done with Michael, my only option on the internet. :geek:
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I'm in this forum that believe in the hoax, but ... When the Jackson family talks about justice for Michael I think they refer you to do justice, 1 - to clear his name so many slurs, 2 - to discover all those behind the conspiracy, I think Michael did all this for a very serious reason.
In another thread you discuss it we must help the Jackson family justice. I do not live in America, but I talk to people I know, and there are many who are Convinced of the injustice that was done with Michael, my only option on the internet. :geek:
okay... I see your 2 reasons... (1 what are these slurs and to what importance can fans effect change to a person who "is not here?") for instance: the country fought for MLK to be recognized with a holiday. what do fans/family want as an outcome?
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(1 what are these slurs and to what importance can fans effect change to a person who "is not here?")
... I do not understand when I say I mean libel cases of child abuse, and this issue Affect the image of Michael not only in America, also the affection throughout the world, and I think each person from their respective countries can help. ;)
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I'm in this forum that believe in the hoax, but ... When the Jackson family talks about justice for Michael I think they refer you to do justice, 1 - to clear his name so many slurs, 2 - to discover all those behind the conspiracy, I think Michael did all this for a very serious reason.
In another thread you discuss it we must help the Jackson family justice. I do not live in America, but I talk to people I know, and there are many who are Convinced of the injustice that was done with Michael, my only option on the internet. :geek:
Idem
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Where are all of your voices? What are you doing to support the family? How are we standing together to say enough is enough? How have you united with other fans to do something? Michael may or may not be in control of what is currently going on, but in either case, we need to show our solidarity with him. So far, we are not. We are failing miserably.
The family needs us, and the media needs to see us: A strong collaborative force who supports Michael. Who demands justice. How have you let them see this? How have you let them hear this?
You need to support the appropriate justice for Michael in all the ways he has needed it. The family is asking us to. Are you listening? Are you paying attention to what's really going on? Are you just going to sit back and let it happen?
Where are all the strong women and men on this forum? Please get out from behind your computer screens.
If you don't know what you are standing for, you will fall for anything. Do you know what you are standing for?
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kingofmystery, don´t you think it´s a little rude?
You´re posting here an iniciative that many people may or may not agree with, and not everyone can do something, anyone may have a reason, I guess...
Are you asking to do particulary something?
Joining that group?
Write something?
Sorry if I don´t understand...
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Where are all of your voices? What are you doing to support the family? How are we standing together to say enough is enough? How have you united with other fans to do something? Michael may or may not be in control of what is currently going on, but in either case, we need to show our solidarity with him. So far, we are not. We are failing miserably.
The family needs us, and the media needs to see us: A strong collaborative force who supports Michael. Who demands justice. How have you let them see this? How have you let them hear this?
You need to support the appropriate justice for Michael in all the ways he has needed it. The family is asking us to. Are you listening? Are you paying attention to what's really going on? Are you just going to sit back and let it happen?
Where are all the strong women and men on this forum? Please get out from behind your computer screens.
If you don't know what you are standing for, you will fall for anything. Do you know what you are standing for?
I understand what you are saying but in reality, but in order to gain support, it has to be specific, and not broad. Please narrow down exactly what we should be supporting... it would be easier
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I'm listening loud and clear and I agree 100%. I, unfortunately live in Australia, but I like your plan, and think the same as you. We claim to be an army, but we choose to sit infront of a computer screen all day, and doing little else. Obviously, I cannot come to the USA and march with you, but I will continue to spread the word in Australia about JUSTICE FOR MJ and his family. I will continue to let everyone know about the movements that they can join. So yes, I am listening and I'm sorry that not many others are.............as always with L.O.V.E xox If there is something you would like me to do to help you, please let me know.....Cheers, from Downunder xoxoxoxo
Somehow, based on the lack of response in this forum, people in my country are becoming lazy and unwilling to speak out and show their solidarity. This has always frustrated me, but I always thought those on this forum would be the ones we could rely on to make a difference. I am being proven wrong, and I am feeling pretty disillusioned right now.
Continue to be strong 2good2btrue, and standing up and doing what you believe in. Cheers.
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Where are all of your voices? What are you doing to support the family? How are we standing together to say enough is enough? How have you united with other fans to do something? Michael may or may not be in control of what is currently going on, but in either case, we need to show our solidarity with him. So far, we are not. We are failing miserably.
The family needs us, and the media needs to see us: A strong collaborative force who supports Michael. Who demands justice. How have you let them see this? How have you let them hear this?
You need to support the appropriate justice for Michael in all the ways he has needed it. The family is asking us to. Are you listening? Are you paying attention to what's really going on? Are you just going to sit back and let it happen?
Where are all the strong women and men on this forum? Please get out from behind your computer screens.
If you don't know what you are standing for, you will fall for anything. Do you know what you are standing for?
I understand what you are saying but in reality, but in order to gain support, it has to be specific, and not broad. Please narrow down exactly what we should be supporting... it would be easier
I'm not sure how this is unclear. What do you need specifics about? The bottom line: 1) You support Michael and his family and want to show solidarity with fans all over the world. 2) You want to show support of justice in this case with how it will be handled through the legal system. Nothing more, nothing less. This is NOT about taking sides of whether MJ is dead or not. It's much simpler than that. We need to COME TOGETHER in unity to show our support.
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I think the fact that most people here believe Murray didn't do anything wrong, causes this (as you call it) laziness.
I do not agree with certain threats some of those non-believers made against certain people and I will not stand for that. Posters on this forum support him and his family as well, yet in a different way. They are spreading his message and they post intelligent things for others to read.
I don't think many of them will join a march where an innocent man will be accused of something he did not do, it's called trial by media and that is exactly what happened to Mike.
Please don't judge the members of this forum, you left me desillusioned now.
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Where are all of your voices? What are you doing to support the family? How are we standing together to say enough is enough? How have you united with other fans to do something? Michael may or may not be in control of what is currently going on, but in either case, we need to show our solidarity with him. So far, we are not. We are failing miserably.
The family needs us, and the media needs to see us: A strong collaborative force who supports Michael. Who demands justice. How have you let them see this? How have you let them hear this?
You need to support the appropriate justice for Michael in all the ways he has needed it. The family is asking us to. Are you listening? Are you paying attention to what's really going on? Are you just going to sit back and let it happen?
Where are all the strong women and men on this forum? Please get out from behind your computer screens.
If you don't know what you are standing for, you will fall for anything. Do you know what you are standing for?
I understand what you are saying but in reality, but in order to gain support, it has to be specific, and not broad. Please narrow down exactly what we should be supporting... it would be easier
I'm not sure how this is unclear. What do you need specifics about? The bottom line: 1) You support Michael and his family and want to show solidarity with fans all over the world. 2) You want to show support of justice in this case with how it will be handled through the legal system. Nothing more, nothing less. This is NOT about taking sides of whether MJ is dead or not. It's much simpler than that. We need to COME TOGETHER in unity to show our support.
you can not just say come out and support MJ... it only makes half a point. It's like an incomplete sentence. how the case will be handled? it has to start first!! :)
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And realize we´re from around the world, what can we do in this way?
Take a plane?
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somekindofsign wrote; And realize we´re from around the world, what can we do in this way?
Take a plane?
I agree with what you say, all of us since our countries can do things, actually doing, we are in solidarity with the Jackson family, whenever there are more people actually reading the research being done in this and other forums What about Souza's research and Mo?
Propose something and we can discuss. :geek:
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I think the fact that most people here believe Murray didn't do anything wrong, causes this (as you call it) laziness.
I do not agree with certain threats some of those non-believers made against certain people and I will not stand for that. Posters on this forum support him and his family as well, yet in a different way. They are spreading his message and they post intelligent things for others to read.
I don't think many of them will join a march where an innocent man will be accused of something he did not do, it's called trial by media and that is exactly what happened to Mike.
Please don't judge the members of this forum, you left me desillusioned now.
Please re-read all my posts on this thread. Clearly, I am not supporting any certain threats or negatively. My gosh, NOT AT ALL. I am calling for the EXACT opposite. That's why I brought this up in the first place. What should be happening is for all of us to get over our ideas about what happened on June 25, and stand in solidarity with the Jackson family. We are collectively not doing that. So many "fans" are all over the board right now, completely immobilized, and can't/aren't doing anything because of it. I will say it again and again, we need to stop marginalizing and judging others...and start building bridges to all the others. It's the right thing to do. This forum has been brewing with negativity lately, and it's been heart-breaking to watch. Somehow and someway we need to bring all sides together. We need to build a network and coalition of support. Admittedly, Justice4mj may not be the specific solution. I don't care what it is, but something needs to be done to achieve solidarity and create positive change. Call me an eternal optimist, incredibly naive, a visionary, or whatever you like, but I don't think sitting on the sidelines is the best way to participate in life. Perhaps I'm just seeing things through a completely different viewpoint and angle, but I just want to find an effective solution for this issue.
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We live together, we are like room mates, it´s normal to argue about passionate issues.
But I see bridges between us here everyday, everywhere.
I still don´t understand what I am supossed to do to be considered an acting person in this adventure?
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I think the fact that most people here believe Murray didn't do anything wrong, causes this (as you call it) laziness.
I do not agree with certain threats some of those non-believers made against certain people and I will not stand for that. Posters on this forum support him and his family as well, yet in a different way. They are spreading his message and they post intelligent things for others to read.
I don't think many of them will join a march where an innocent man will be accused of something he did not do, it's called trial by media and that is exactly what happened to Mike.
Please don't judge the members of this forum, you left me desillusioned now.
Please re-read all my posts on this thread. Clearly, I am not supporting any certain threats or negatively. My gosh, NOT AT ALL. I am calling for the EXACT opposite. That's why I brought this up in the first place. What should be happening is for all of us to get over our ideas about what happened on June 25, and stand in solidarity with the Jackson family. We are collectively not doing that. So many "fans" are all over the board right now, completely immobilized, and can't/aren't doing anything because of it. I will say it again and again, we need to stop marginalizing and judging others...and start building bridges to all the others. It's the right thing to do. This forum has been brewing with negativity lately, and it's been heart-breaking to watch. Somehow and someway we need to bring all sides together. We need to build a network and coalition of support. Admittedly, Justice4mj may not be the specific solution. I don't care what it is, but something needs to be done to achieve solidarity and create positive change. Call me an eternal optimist, incredibly naive, a visionary, or whatever you like, but I don't think sitting on the sidelines is the best way to participate in life. Perhaps I'm just seeing things through a completely different viewpoint and angle, but I just want to find an effective solution for this issue.
A lot of people are past the hoax clues, others will never get past it. Believe me, I have NOT been on the sideline, I tried to show people, so did Mo and many members on this forum. I think you are insulting members here that are trying their best to do whatever is in their power to get the message out.
Again, do not judge all members because of the snipers we have on this forum lately, we do out best to get rid of them.
And if you want to do something, you really need to explain what you want to do, this is all a bit vague. I mean do you have an idea other than marching the streets accusing Murray?
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Somehow, I am not expressing this clearly enough. :? Sorry. I will try again:
I have been very inspired by effectiveness in which certain groups have been communicating their message...they are clearly sending a strong message of support by wearing the same T-shirts, stickers, ribbons, etc. (You see this with other causes, whether it be cancer support, world issues, soldiers, etc.) If all the MJ supporters could wear the same T-shirt, for example, can you imagine what a statement that would make?
Because many people do not believe MJ is alive, in order find common ground with supporters/fans, we can't use that as the common message. It would need to remain hoax-neutral, allowing for us to find common ground with what we DO agree with: support of the Jackson family. And also to allow for a fair and just trial in the Murphy case (again, staying neutral...we all can agree to a fair trial and proceedings).
I am a strong advocate for creating awareness and support for different causes. I do this kind of thing all the time with other issues that are important to me. Why not come together and make a strong statement of support for the Jackson family? Raise our voices as one.
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We are here for a specific reason. We believe this to be a hoax and for some of us expect Michael to come back for a specific reason too. Taking this into account I don't see myself demonstrating and showing support to the family as I truly believe that Michael is well alive and that consequently Conrad Murray is innocent.
I just don't understand what you exactly want. Demonstrating ok but for what ? And take also into account that we're from all over the world. I only can express myself about the hoax in this forum. On this subject I feel all alone here in France, in my small village. So to me this forum is very important and a very good beggining as to show interest, love and support to Michael and his family because I'm sure they monitor the web.
Note also that several tv shows have already mentionned the hoax websites and sure will continue as soon as we keep working.
We are here together talking about a lot of subjects, we're united in the name of MJ. What more do we have to do ? I 'll do it with pleasure if it can help but it has to be more concrete as it seems I'm not the only one who needs more details.
God bless you
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We are here for a specific reason. We believe this to be a hoax and for some of us expect Michael to come back for a specific reason too. Taking this into account I don't see myself demonstrating and showing support to the family as I truly believe that Michael is well alive and that consequently Conrad Murray is innocent.
I just don't understand what you exactly want. Demonstrating ok but for what ? And take also into account that we're from all over the world. I only can express myself about the hoax in this forum. On this subject I feel all alone here in France, in my small village. So to me this forum is very important and a very good beggining as to show interest, love and support to Michael and his family because I'm sure they monitor the web.
Note also that several tv shows have already mentionned the hoax websites and sure will continue as soon as we keep working.
We are here together talking about a lot of subjects, we're united in the name of MJ. What more do we have to do ? I 'll do it with pleasure if it can help but it has to be more concrete as it seems I'm not the only one who needs more details.
God bless you
After thinking your response through, I think you asked a very important question that I think is causing the confusion: "Demonstrating is ok but for what?" That is the question I have been asking myself lately: For what? I think each person needs to answer that for themselves, and it might mean different things to different people.
For me, it means standing up against all the injustice, slander, and conspiracy Michael has had to go through. It's about civil rights. It's about fighting against ignorance. It's about loving your neighbors around the globe. It's about the media mayhem. It's about corruption. It's about family. It's about love. It's about all of the things that Mike stands for, or has had to fight against. It's about creating solidarity with those who feel strongly about the above issues.
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A lot of people are past the hoax clues, others will never get past it. Believe me, I have NOT been on the sideline, I tried to show people, so did Mo and many members on this forum. I think you are insulting members here that are trying their best to do whatever is in their power to get the message out.
Again, do not judge all members because of the snipers we have on this forum lately, we do out best to get rid of them.
And if you want to do something, you really need to explain what you want to do, this is all a bit vague. I mean do you have an idea ither than marching the streets accusing Murray?
I know there are people NOT sitting on the sidelines, and I know you (as well as Mo) are not one of them. I would never deny that or deny my appreciation for anyone else who is "engaged". But let's face it, we could be doing a better job "collectively" as a whole. This post was meant to be a challenge for those who are sitting--sitting comfortably behind their computers and doing little else. The outcome of this dialogue encourages me to do just the same, and I may even take a "computer break" and put these thoughts into action myself. I would like to begin reaching out to the fan clubs initially, dialogue with them and see if they want to come on board, and then on to the next group, etc. This post was also meant to challenge our thinking about how to reach out and build bridges to other MJ groups. We can get a whole lot more accomplished if we come together and unify.
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We are here for a specific reason. We believe this to be a hoax and for some of us expect Michael to come back for a specific reason too. Taking this into account I don't see myself demonstrating and showing support to the family as I truly believe that Michael is well alive and that consequently Conrad Murray is innocent.
I just don't understand what you exactly want. Demonstrating ok but for what ? And take also into account that we're from all over the world. I only can express myself about the hoax in this forum. On this subject I feel all alone here in France, in my small village. So to me this forum is very important and a very good beggining as to show interest, love and support to Michael and his family because I'm sure they monitor the web.
Note also that several tv shows have already mentionned the hoax websites and sure will continue as soon as we keep working.
We are here together talking about a lot of subjects, we're united in the name of MJ. What more do we have to do ? I 'll do it with pleasure if it can help but it has to be more concrete as it seems I'm not the only one who needs more details.
God bless you
After thinking your response through, I think you asked a very important question that I think is causing the confusion: "Demonstrating is ok but for what?" That is the question I have been asking myself lately: For what? I think each person needs to answer that for themselves, and it might mean different things to different people.
For me, it means standing up against all the injustice, slander, and conspiracy Michael has had to go through. It's about civil rights. It's about fighting against ignorance. It's about loving your neighbors around the globe. It's about the media mayhem. It's about corruption. It's about family. It's about love. It's about all of the things that Mike stands for, or has had to fight against. It's about creating solidarity with those who feel strongly about the above issues.
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Ok I totally agree with you on that we have to fight for this world to be a better place and be a true soldier of love.
Now we must think on how we're going to do it ? All suggestions are welcome...
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Kingofmyster I'm understanding, it seems that the only thing I can think of is to send our support to the Jackson family in writing, on behalf of all members of this forum and let them know we support them.
If someone has another idea ..
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by ~Souza~ » Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:39 pm
I think the fact that most people here believe Murray didn't do anything wrong, causes this (as you call it) laziness.
I do not agree with certain threats some of those non-believers made against certain people and I will not stand for that. Posters on this forum support him and his family as well, yet in a different way. They are spreading his message and they post intelligent things for others to read.
I don't think many of them will join a march where an innocent man will be accused of something he did not do, it's called trial by media and that is exactly what happened to Mike.
Please don't judge the members of this forum, you left me desillusioned now.
I agree with you! I do not read the rest of this thread, because this one says it all to me.
For one, I am not so sure first of all that Michael is dead, or if so, has been murdered at the
hands on ONE person. Dr. Murray would NOT have purposely set himself up as the
sole suspect and only one with Michael Jackson on the morning he "died". There is more
to it, and we don't have all the information yet and I will not rally or unite if I never get the
truth, on emotions alone. :geek:
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I can sense a frustration coming from everyone who wishes for 'something' - 'anything' to happen...it's as though we are reaching the one year mark soon - since MJ has 'disappeared'. I say 'disappeared' because I myself still have hope he is alive, although I cannot come to a 100% certainty - believe me it has nothing to do with my faith in the hoax theory. I am just trying to maintain a sanity.
Now, I think this approaching the one year mark, is making alot of people edgy - needing, wanting more yet finding it harder to hang on, yet again wanting to hang on.
I'm wondering how fans can "approach" the Jacksons and unite for the cry against injustice - when we don't even really know where the Jacksons themselves really stand on whether MJ is alive or not? We still have not heard them ask us to stop "this nonsense" if it is what they might think? How can you approach someone or a group of people when you know that the biggest issue HERE, in this website, is FOR the people who believe in the hoax theory? Meaning - how can we approach the Jacksons, when we don't really know if they are hiding something or not? It would be odd to go up and say "Hey Jackson family - you know, we really are with you - we support you - we want to help change the world - get justice going in the name of MJ and those like MJ who have suffered mass media's twisted games and strong hold ---but----um...are we on the same level here, regarding our belief in the hoax? OR not??"
I mean it is an issue that CANNOT be separated or dismissed or even set aside for awhile. I mean, either you believe MJ is dead or not. In order to go forth and support the family, you need to be on common grounds with THAT SINGLE fact, either he's dead or alive. It's like going to a funeral and giving your condolences to the deceased person's survivors, but there's that unspoken unfamiliar ground - of whether or not the deceased really is deceased or not. What's that? That is so weird. There HAS TO BE clarity on that one area. I mean after all, we're not discussing with MJ's family what his biggest hits were in the past. That's something that can be pulled out from the books of facts. No one can argue which of his songs were the hit makers and which weren't. It's in the charts, in the files...but we're dealing with a PERSON who HAD or STILL HAS a life...We don't even KNOW that for sure, either way.
Unless we're willing to just drop that whole subject of the hoax. Unless we're just willing to say that whether or not he is alive or not - is not as important as changing the world. Now, who is willing to really say they don't care anymore if he's alive or not? Call me selfish, call me ignorant, call me whatever...but I am on this website because it is a deal breaker for me. A deal breaker. To find out or try to at least, figure out whether the hoax will turn out to be true - or not. If I wasn't a fan that cared about the issue - if my sole purpose was to carry through with the MJ legacy of world change, perhaps I'd be out there physically, doing something to push that change. But that's not my sole purpose here. Sorry if it sounds bad, but that's the truth.
Yeah, MJ wanted/wants change - but I'm not letting go of the hunt and wait to see what happens from now. Look - I can't even decide whether I want to speak in present or past tense when it comes to MJ's desire for change in our universe. I'm still NOT THERE - not ready to just toss this issue out. If anything, to say the least, if anything I'd like to see - is at least have the Jackson family say straight to the camera, "Please stop this hoax theory nonsense...let Michael's dream prosper - please help us stop the injustice with your first small step...unite...don't divide." But they haven't come up with anything close to that - they KNOW about the theory...but where are their opinions? Their voices to us? Maybe that might be the first step here - to try and get the Jacksons to say SOMETHING. ANYTHING...about all of us who are trying to find some closure to MJ's disappearance? True they can't MAKE US believe something we don't want to - but they can at least dish out their card, the one that they hold in their hand...the one that they believe is to be true...dead or alive? Which one is it, Jackson family? We need to know where YOU stand. Tell us Jackson family, are we being disrespectful to you and Michael, for continuing this saga? Or are we getting warmer and warmer by the month, the week, the day, the hour? I need to know..so that then, I can find a PLACE to stand and start thinking what my next move might be - towards a better world...what MJ wanted...or wants...you see what I mean? Our leader in the army - is missing. His own family has not cleared up inconsistencies, slip ups, missing pieces to the puzzle...those that were closer to Michael physically than we fans ever got...And if THEY can't make a statement...how can we conclude anything???
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there is a movement ,with clout Los Angeles civil Rights Ass. just go to u-tube and type LACRASPEAKS OUT ,or you can see it under the same name on u-stream ,twitter , & face book . The presidents name is Eddie Jones and he has had Oxman ,Geraldine Hughs author of "Redemption" Joe Jackson , Cheryln Lee , Michael Kiss {MJ impersonator } Facebook Mj justice people. And they are being given exclusive rts to news about the case from Joe J . Mr Jones is planing to do a million man/ women march to Washington on behalf Of MJ .I think ,in June . They also have a girl selling some really cool MJ justice t-shirts ! Mr Jones is trying to get a meeting with Obama ,or a conference call to address the really bad corruption In LAPD . For More info on Lapd & court corruption see " A special Message to MJ fans " on U-tube .It is a man named William Wagner and he is an independent news reporter AND HE HATES TOM SNEDDON with a passion . He lives in Santa Maria and He covered some of the 04 trial ,he has also interviewed Tom M. & Aphrodite Jones ,Author of "The MJ Conspiracy . he is a great Guy .tell him Kelly sent YOU ! Please spread the word ,we need some help !! Some hoaxers are suppressing this info because it don't exactly fit the Hoax theory .It just wouldn't be right to ignore it .Nobody that runs this place has suppressed it .I am talking about u-tubers mostly . :D peace .
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there is a movement ,with clout Los Angeles civil Rights Ass. just go to u-tube and type LACRASPEAKS OUT ,or you can see it under the same name on u-stream ,twitter , & face book . The presidents name is Eddie Jones and he has had Oxman ,Geraldine Hughs author of "Redemption" Joe Jackson , Cheryln Lee , Michael Kiss {MJ impersonator } Facebook Mj justice people. And they are being given exclusive rts to news about the case from Joe J . Mr Jones is planing to do a million man/ women march to Washington on behalf Of MJ .I think ,in June . They also have a girl selling some really cool MJ justice t-shirts ! Mr Jones is trying to get a meeting with Obama ,or a conference call to address the really bad corruption In LAPD . For More info on Lapd & court corruption see " A special Message to MJ fans " on U-tube .It is a man named William Wagner and he is an independent news reporter AND HE HATES TOM SNEDDON with a passion . He lives in Santa Maria and He covered some of the 04 trial ,he has also interviewed Tom M. & Aphrodite Jones ,Author of "The MJ Conspiracy . he is a great Guy .tell him Kelly sent YOU ! Please spread the word ,we need some help !! Some hoaxers are suppressing this info because it don't exactly fit the Hoax theory .It just wouldn't be right to ignore it .Nobody that runs this place has suppressed it .I am talking about u-tubers mostly . :D peace .
I agree with you, 1000%. What those around the world may not realize is that the Civil Rights Associations are getting involved in this case. There is a whole movement going on that people who don't live in the States don't seem to be or may not be aware of. That is why I have been banging my head saying over and over again mentioning this. Those who do not live in the US may not realize and understand what is taking place. This has the potential to be as big as the Martin Luther King, Jr. March in Washington, D.C. This is what Michael's own father has encouraged the fans to do...to take it all the way to Washington, D.C.
Please refer to the LACRA interviews and threads to hear for yourself:
[youtube:20yjx4zz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbHWNnbdCBs[/youtube:20yjx4zz]
[youtube:20yjx4zz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1blUwfPf3w&feature=related[/youtube:20yjx4zz]
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/5672410 (http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/5672410)
viewtopic.php?f=49&t=7938&start=0&hilit=lacra (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=7938&start=0&hilit=lacra)
viewtopic.phpf=48&t=7658&p=124858&hilit=lacra#p124858 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.phpf=48&t=7658&p=124858&hilit=lacra#p124858)
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=7482&hilit=lacra (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=7482&hilit=lacra)
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This is why I have been adamant about the need for all of us to stand together. This could change history.
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I can´t find anything in my country about all that.
If this is a domestic USA afair, what can we do?
and what do we have to do with it? :?:
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I can´t find anything in my country about all that.
Yes, that's what I kind of thought. I'm realizing that because so many members are not from the US, people may not understand what's going on. This is why I've been trying hard to educate others in this forum who may not be as connected to all the political-social happenings over here. To look beyond this "hoax forum" and really hear what we have been encouraged to do.
Some people on hoax forum boards (in general) are not getting involved, and as a consequence, not taking part and getting left out in what seems could be a very big deal. Hopefully this whole thread and my posts within it are now beginning to make some sense by this explanation and context.
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I understand but still...
If this is a domestic USA afair, what can we do?
and what do we have to do with it? :?:
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I understand but still...
If this is a domestic USA afair, what can we do?
and what do we have to do with it? :?:
Each country and each individual has to determine that for him/herself. And each forum has to decide. My personal observations overall based on some of the responses within this thread, or lacktherof, tells me that this forum overall does not seem that interested in reaching out to other forums and groups, etc. So I guess it has to be a personal decision. I, as well as many others here, have linked arms with Justice4mj because they seem to be most active and most closely connected to LACRA. Do I agree with all of their harsh judgments and/or tactics? No. But so far, it is the best organized group that I see that is making a difference in the issues at hand and are making a strong statement of solidarity and support of the Jackson family. And so far, it is a group that seems to most closely support the Jacksons' families wishes: Justice for Michael.
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Here is the information for the "One Million MJ Movement". This global "march" will be taking place in the US as well as in other countries at the US embassies. Please refer to this facebook page for more information:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/ONE-MILLI ... &ref=share (http://www.facebook.com/pages/ONE-MILLION-MJ-MOVEMENT-FOR-JUSTICE-WHITEHOUSE-AND-AROUND-THE-WORLD/381243392296?v=wall&ref=share#!/pages/ONE-MILLION-MJ-MOVEMENT-FOR-JUSTICE-WHITEHOUSE-AND-AROUND-THE-WORLD/381243392296?v=info&ref=share)
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But that people is putting the face of Murray in the twitter.
Are they going against him?
Are they going to put preassure under Murray before a fair trial is made?
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But that people is putting the face of Murray in the twitter.
Are they going against him?
Are they going to put preassure under Murray before a fair trial is made?
Perhaps, but that is what the Jackson family is doing as well. Since I don't know the absolute truth in this case, I will follow their lead on how they'd like us to handle it. Anything different than that seems risky and irresponsible. I have been listening hard for any "direction" and guidance from the family these past months, and now we are getting some. I can't close my ears, even if it's not what's convenient or not agreeable to my pre-conceived theories. I have to put my theories aside and listen. And act.
I have had to keep in mind a couple of premises and facts:
1) We have to go on the published facts and confirmed information as we know them. One is that Michael died from acute propfol intoxication. Two is that Murray administered it. The rest of the information is speculation.
2) Michael's family is supporting the efforts of LACRA. LACRA wants justice. LACRA and the family want Murray's charges bumped up to 2nd degree murder.
Anything beyond these facts are mere speculation on our part. I have no idea how this is all going to resolve, but I will not err on the side of supporting Michael's family and their wishes. I don't want to be so caught up in the hoax theory that I cannot see or hear what the family is telling us and needing us to do.
JMO.
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The rest of the information is speculation.
And perhaps part of the stated there too.
I´m a thinking person and I just ´can´t put my theories aside.
Sorry, I don´t like this initiative as far as I´ve seen.
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The rest of the information is speculation.
And perhaps part of the stated there too.
I´m a thinking person and I just ´can´t put my theories aside.
Sorry, I don´t like this initiative as far as I´ve seen.
Well, this seems what the Jackson family is calling for. You can either decide to agree or disagree with them. If you're not sure, ask them directly what you as a fan/supporter should do. The Jackson bros. are pretty accessible via their Twitter account.
I'm not sure where you live, but in the US, this is clearly becoming a pretty big civil rights and justice issue. This seems to be where this is headed. A lot of leaders here are getting involved. Most fans here are getting involved, as well. I can't speak about what's going on in other countries because I don't know.
You have to do what you are comfortable with.
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Of course, everybody decides...
Look, I can´t found a manifiesto here to see what this people is asking to do.
I go to FAQ and there are payment methods ???
I see an initiative to stop the book.
I see some news that support the murder aspects.
I see a petition to increase CM charges.
In facebook I see people you have already judged Murray, that´s all the information I can get from there.
I can purchase a t-shirt, I can join twiters and facebooks.
If I felt comfortable with all that, which I don´t, the only thing I can do from here is to buy a T-shirt.
That´s all I have to say.
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Of course, everybody decides...
Look, I can´t found a manifiesto here to see what this people is asking to do.
I go to FAQ and there are payment methods ???
I see an initiative to stop the book.
I see some news that support the murder aspects.
I see a petition to increase CM charges.
In facebook I see people you have already judged Murray, that´s all the information I can get from there.
I can purchase a t-shirt, I can join twiters and facebooks.
If I felt comfortable with all that, which I don´t, the only thing I can do from here is to buy a T-shirt.
That´s all I have to say.
May I ask what you are looking at/referring to? Because I am NOT specifically talking about the Justice4mj site. Sigh... :roll: They are a part of this, yes, but a very small part. This is SO, SO much bigger than that...
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Then I´m lost, I guess it´s a domestic issue that I don´t understand...
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This is where you can leave a message of support for #Justice4MJ. You might have to sign in first, but every little bit helps. Let the Jackson family know that we care and are supporting them. Cheers
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/lacraspeaksout (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/lacraspeaksout)
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Sorry, I don´t know if I´m slept these days, but I still don´t get it.
Who is this LACRA man?
What does he exactly propound?
I hear justice for Michael (1) and going to the supreme court (2)...
How (1) and what for (2) exactly?
Did I miss any other statement here?
Where can I see the petitions?
Where can I found Katherine involved?
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I have just understood that LACRA is Los Angeles Civil Rights Association.
But I don´t know it nor its nature.
Who is the black man speaking then?
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Now I found this:
This is not a platform forTHIS IS NOT IT! Just to be clear. We all want Justice for MJ but here we will NOT damage his legacy to do it.
here: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=324254322849
Is this an accusation to us about damaging his legacy?
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Now I found this:
This is not a platform forTHIS IS NOT IT! Just to be clear. We all want Justice for MJ but here we will NOT damage his legacy to do it.
here: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=324254322849
Is this an accusation to us about damaging his legacy?
No, this is not an accusation to us, per se. This is specifically referencing to the "This Is Not It" group which clearly feels Mike was not doing well during the concert rehearsals and months leading up to it (they think he was skinny, not eating, under chemical influences, etc.)
However, I would assume they might see the hoaxers as damaging his legacy, as well, because some of the hoaxers have decided to assume what's going on and have put a lot of words in his mouth by assuming Michael's intentions. I would hate for this to be the case, because I can only imagine what's going on in the family's head about everyone who has an opinion about what Mike's intentions are. And we have all heard every conceivable theory under the sun so far, such as Mike is the Archangel, or the leader of the Anti-Illuminati movement, or Mike wants to be the king of entertainment/film, etc., etc, etc. So I could definitely see where others might think this as damaging his legacy, if none of those things are actually true.
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I have just understood that LACRA is Los Angeles Civil Rights Association.
But I don´t know it nor its nature.
Who is the black man speaking then?
Eddie Jones, Jr. is the president of LACRA. I encourage you to read more about about this. I have provided other information/links in my posts within this thread.
He also has a Twitter account:
http://twitter.com/comactwin (http://twitter.com/comactwin)
With you being in another country, I know it must be difficult to not know about all of these details. I made the assumption that everyone knew about this, because there have been threads about this for months. Sorry for making the wrong assumption. :oops:
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Sorry but this just seems like a non-believer trying to 'convert' believers to me.
Why would we want to go and meet up with other MJ fans who have labelled us as crazy idiots and protest for justice for Michael with them?? Are they struggling for numbers now or something? :lol:
Trying to unite people who have totally different opinions is not easy AND it's a two-way street.
Remember, 'Justice 4 Michael' means 2 entirely different things for believers and non-believers. In the same way a non-believer would not want to be associated with a believer, I do not want to be associated with non-believers.
I've just got over a personal, scathing and very hurtful attack via Facebook from a non-believer who was a FRIEND of mine, not just an acquaintance. Therefore, I prefer to distance myself from non-believers as much as possible from now on.
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Thank you kingofmystery for your answers.
But there where more questions...
I agree with rowdyangel and I´m even starting to believe that Joe is taking advantage of the fans strength to get his part of the pie. What a petty! So sad!
And also want to add that I´m not going to support a group that is asking for charges of a man who still is innocent. OMG, what a huge paradox!
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Believers- Non believers... Why the division? What are we doing?
Seriously, I thought we were here to find out the truth... Well, at least that's why I'm here for...
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Believers- Non believers... Why the division? What are we doing?
Seriously, I thought we were here to find out the truth... Well, at least that's why I'm here for...
This thread explains it. They are not looking for the truth, they have already condemned a man.
We, believers, don´t believe a particular thing and handle all the possibilities, that´s what can separate us.
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Believers- Non believers... Why the division? What are we doing?
Seriously, I thought we were here to find out the truth... Well, at least that's why I'm here for...
I don't think there should be a division between believers and non-believers. The non-believers are creating that with their hateful posts to the believers in my opinion. Also I would like to distance from those that are sending Karen Faye and Kenny Ortega hate-mails and death threads, I will simply not stand for that. Nor will I stand for people trying to put down a man that is innocent in my eyes, those fans should be educated about the inconsistencies in this case before they judge.
And KoM, even if our theory about the NWO is not what Mike's intention is, which I find hard to believe, it opened up my eyes and changed my point of view to certain things forever, so that is never a bad thing. This is a hoax forum and I am pretty sure most of the 3000+ members want justice for Mike, but not over an innocent man's back.
If there is another plan, a better one, I guess there will be more people willing to cooperate.
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somekindofsign, You are right, we should not condemn an innocent man should not be divisions, much less verbal violence.
If they do not agree with these theories, all right I will respect him, nor forced anyone to believe .. but do not have to insult others. :geek:
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Are you talking about that kind of things ? New article from TMZ
Michael Jackson's most loyal fans are taking to the skies in order to send a message to Doc Murray -- and the plan is set to take flight the next time Murray is set to appear in court.
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2010/03/0330_mj_banner_ex.jpg)
A group of fans have raised $1,250 to fly an airplane banner over the L.A. County Superior Courthouse between 1-2pm on April 5 ... when Dr. Murray is next scheduled to show his face.
The sign will read "We demand justice for Michael Jackson" -- and the group is so fired up about it, they've already sent out a press release with a Photoshopped image of what they think the scene will look like (see above).
The same group of fans are also raising money to buy Katherine Jackson a bouquet of 100 roses for additional support ... as well as a locket for Paris Jackson's birthday on April 3. Sorry if that ruined the surprise.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jac ... z0jmgxoVQw (http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jackson/#ixzz0jmgxoVQw)
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Michael Jackson's most loyal fans are taking to the skies in order to send a message to Doc Murray -- and the plan is set to take flight the next time Murray is set to appear in court.
most loyal fans .. most loyal fans ,.... sometimes do not understand the shit he writes TMZ :?:
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Michael Jackson's most loyal fans are taking to the skies in order to send a message to Doc Murray -- and the plan is set to take flight the next time Murray is set to appear in court.
most loyal fans .. most loyal fans ,.... sometimes do not understand the shit he writes TMZ :?:
Yes I also don't like it. It's unfair.
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Thank you kingofmystery for your answers.
But there where more questions...
I agree with rowdyangel and I´m even starting to believe that Joe is taking advantage of the fans strength to get his part of the pie. What a petty! So sad!
And also want to add that I´m not going to support a group that is asking for charges of a man who still is innocent. OMG, what a huge paradox!
Asking for justice is NOT, I repeat NOT, indicating Murray is guilty. Justice means the right thing, due process, fair trial. Please look beyond the hoax... Please look at the BIG PICTURE.
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Thank you so much for the many people who have communicated ideas and have been brainstorming with me so far. I think you guys are on the right track, and are becoming a strong voice of support for the family. I am making more calls for help with this, and I'm hoping we can begin to make some significant changes and create awareness in Michael's case. So many people remain uniformed about all the crazy inconsistencies since June 25. :? The one thing that keeps me on focused and motivate is remembering this is about building bridges and not walls between us to help us make positive change in the world.
L.O.V.E. and thanks to all! Keep the ideas coming!
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Asking for justice is NOT, I repeat NOT, indicating Murray is guilty. Justice means the right thing, due process, fair trial. Please look beyond the hoax... Please look at the BIG PICTURE.
I look beyond the hoax, I always look beyond the hoax and the big PICTURE.
But they are ACTUALLY asking for a second degree murder charge... no more to look, that´s the wall.
And if I look beyond I may find Joe´s ambition.
And I can´t still see a link about Katherine involved.
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Asking for justice is NOT, I repeat NOT, indicating Murray is guilty. Justice means the right thing, due process, fair trial. Please look beyond the hoax... Please look at the BIG PICTURE.
I look beyond the hoax, I always look beyond the hoax and the big PICTURE.
But they are ACTUALLY asking for a second degree murder charge... no more to look, that´s the wall.
Remember, it's the Jackson family who are asking a second degree murder charge. You can either choose to agree or disagree with them. But that's what THEY want.
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Sorry, I was editting my previous post.
I added a question that answers to your´s.
Where can I see that Katherine is involved?
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Believers- Non believers... Why the division? What are we doing?
Seriously, I thought we were here to find out the truth... Well, at least that's why I'm here for...
Very well said. That's why I don't understand the "I'm only going to focus on the hoax" mentality.
This isn't about that. This is about supporting the Jackson family, your love and support of MJ, and wanting justice (whatever the end result ends up being). It's NOT about if you are hoax-believer or not. People are getting hung up on that point, and are wanting to stay divided. That seems counter-productive to me.
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Are you listening to me? :?
That's why I don't understand the "I'm only going to focus on the hoax" mentality.
Who´s that?
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Believers- Non believers... Why the division? What are we doing?
Seriously, I thought we were here to find out the truth... Well, at least that's why I'm here for...
Very well said. That's why I don't understand the "I'm only going to focus on the hoax" mentality.
This isn't about that. This is about supporting the Jackson family, your love and support of MJ, and wanting justice (whatever the end result ends up being). It's NOT about if you are hoax-believer or not. People are getting hung up on that point, and are wanting to stay divided. That seems counter-productive to me.
KofM - I applaud your enthusiasm, I really do but please let people make their own choice and don't try to force people into doing something they are not comfortable with. In a way we are all doing our bit for justice already - and most of us have been for the last 9 months.
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No katherine?
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somekindofsign , I Do Not know, dead or alive But I think Mrs. Michael katherine is the person most Concerned with this. :geek:
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Sorry, I was editting my previous post.
I added a question that answers to your´s.
Where can I see that Katherine is involved?
The news about Katherine wanting a 2nd degree murder charge was heavily publicized last week:
LOS ANGELES - Michael Jackson's mom is furious over new allegations that her son's doctor was more worried about hiding the drugs he was giving the King of Pop than saving his life.
Katherine Jackson, 79, is demanding an upgraded charge of second degree murder, her lawyer told the Daily News, after a report claiming Dr. Conrad Murray interrupted CPR to conceal drug evidence from paramedics.
"Mrs. Jackson never doubted that this man murdered her son, and these new revelations, if true, mean we need additional charges to fit the severity of his crimes," attorney Adam Streisand said.
"Second degree murder requires malice aforethought, which can be implied by the conduct of the defendant," he said yesterday. "The actions alleged suggest that Dr. Murray abandoned his duties as a physician or an ordinary human being to save himself rather than his patient."
It was because of this news that California Attorney General Jerry Brown has asked a court to suspend Murray's medical license in the state pending the outcome of the criminal prosecution.
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/ ... ons_d.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/03/23/2010-03-23_katherine_jackson_demands_upgraded_charge_of_second_degree_murder_against_sons_d.html)
The Justice4mj group is only reflecting and representing what the Jackson family have themselves said they want. Nothing more. Nothing less. They are there to support the family and their wishes.
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Thank you kingofmystery!
LOS ANGELES - Michael Jackson's mom is furious over new allegations that her son's doctor was more worried about hiding the drugs he was giving the King of Pop than saving his life.
Katherine Jackson, 79, is demanding an upgraded charge of second degree murder, her lawyer told the Daily News, after a report claiming Dr. Conrad Murray interrupted CPR to conceal drug evidence from paramedics.
"Mrs. Jackson never doubted that this man murdered her son, and these new revelations, if true, mean we need additional charges to fit the severity of his crimes," attorney Adam Streisand said.
"Second degree murder requires malice aforethought, which can be implied by the conduct of the defendant," he said yesterday. "The actions alleged suggest that Dr. Murray abandoned his duties as a physician or an ordinary human being to save himself rather than his patient."
Then I guess also Katherine is rushing...
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Believers- Non believers... Why the division? What are we doing?
Seriously, I thought we were here to find out the truth... Well, at least that's why I'm here for...
Very well said. That's why I don't understand the "I'm only going to focus on the hoax" mentality.
This isn't about that. This is about supporting the Jackson family, your love and support of MJ, and wanting justice (whatever the end result ends up being). It's NOT about if you are hoax-believer or not. People are getting hung up on that point, and are wanting to stay divided. That seems counter-productive to me.
KofM - I applaud your enthusiasm, I really do but please let people make their own choice and don't try to force people into doing something they are not comfortable with. In a way we are all doing our bit for justice already - and most of us have been for the last 9 months.
I have clearly stated the exact same thing myself. (See below). It's a personal decision. I can only express my opinion, and the reasons for having it. For me personally, I just can't turn my back on the family and not do what they said they want and need help with. It just doesn't sit well with me. I have to do what's seems right for me.
I am just hoping to create dialogue and awareness to this subject because it clearly needed to be addressed. People are talking about this to each other anyway. Might as well as make an "official" post about it. ;)
Well, this seems what the Jackson family is calling for. You can either decide to agree or disagree with them. If you're not sure, ask them directly what you as a fan/supporter should do. The Jackson bros. are pretty accessible via their Twitter account...
You have to do what you are comfortable with.
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Look kingofmystery I appreciate your effort sending this information, and I´m glad you have the things so clear. You say you base it on the "fact" that this is what the family wants, which is perfectly right.
But many other people need to come to that conclusion by their own, whatever the family, the Pope, or even MJ himself say (I don´t think him would disagree with me)... and this forum is full of that kind of people.
And I say this knowing that the only thing that I could do is reggister on facebook and send a message...
Which is another thing, if they want to get something, they should be more clear, have a manifest...
All this seems to be on a cloud full of big word such as This could change the history :? but I can´t see anything of that. If it´s really so, they are not explaining themselves right.
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Are we sure Katherine is demanding this?
I ask because I´ve googled Katherine Jackson second degree murder in the news section and I can´t find many sources. Nobody else has published it?
Sorrr for the questions, I´m a socratic person ;)
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Are we sure Katherine is demanding this?
I ask because I´ve googled Katherine Jackson second degree murder in the news section and I can´t find many sources. Nobody else has published it?
Sorrr for the questions, I´m a socratic person ;)
No need to apologize. You have good questions. ;)
Yes, this was published everywhere in the US last week. All over the web, print newspaper, and on TV news stations (US).
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Sorry if I´m clumsy but I can´t found it.
I´d like to see what big newspapers say about this, how they tell the story, the quotations...
Is it on newspapers like NY Times, W Post or similar?
I just find about Joe´s petition.
Only nydailynews, thestarnews... and I can´t read between the lines of those media because I don´t know them.
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NY Times:
Michael Jackson's Father Plans Wrongful Death Suit (http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/03/30/arts/entertainment-us-jackson.html)
By REUTERS
Published: March 30, 2010
Oxman said it was not yet clear if other Jackson family members, including mother Katherine Jackson who is a beneficiary of her son's multimillion dollar estate, will join in the lawsuit.
Washington Post´s is also from Reuters so the words are the same.
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One thing is sure we will never give up on searching the truth to know what really happened to Michael (I believe in the hoax and him being alive). I mean that whatever happens we will do our job of "real fans". Maybe that today we're too much glued on the clues and on finding evidences.
Nevertheless this hoax has permitted to gather people together and talk about what our world has become and raise awareness and hope for the future admiting that we put what we've learned into practice in our everyday life.
I think we need events of a larger scale but it may take time (and money) to organize that kind of things...I've always dreamt of a big change, of something huge that could change the world forever. I know that it cannot be done in one day and that it's rather a long-drawn-out job but we need, the world needs a slap on his face to get awakened, sorry to say it like that but it's the idea. That's the only way I see it. And for a second when I "knew" that Michael faked his death I said to myself maybe, maybe this is it, this HUGE event that I dreamt for.
Just wanted to share.
God bless you
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All this seems to be on a cloud full of big word such as This could change the history :? but I can´t see anything of that. If it´s really so, they are not explaining themselves right.
This is what I expressed that I am observing in my own country. You may not be observing the same thing in yours.
What those around the world may not realize is that the Civil Rights Associations are getting involved in this case. There is a whole movement going on that people who don't live in the States don't seem to be or may not be aware of. That is why I have been banging my head saying over and over again mentioning this. Those who do not live in the US may not realize and understand what is taking place. This has the potential to be as big as the Martin Luther King, Jr. March in Washington, D.C. This is what Michael's own father has encouraged the fans to do...to take it all the way to Washington, D.C.
I was specifically referring to the One Million MJ Movement that is being planned for August. (Please refer to the facebook page for more info.) This "march" is hoping to draw a million people to Washington, D.C. The lead participants are so far are: EDDIE JONES, PRESIDENT LOS ANGELES CIVIL RIGHTS ASSOCIATION, BRIAN OXMAN, and Majestik Magnificent.
Also, depending on how this case evolves, , and what we learn from it (meaning, if he really is dead and/or there really is a conspiracy, etc.) we should consider taking part of the march to Washington,D.C. if we are able. ("One Million MJ Movement")
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=4 ... 201&ref=nf (http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=409117234201&ref=nf)
If Michael is really dead, and Murray is responsible, 2nd degree murder should be the charge, not manslaughter. This is what the family is outraged about...that Murray has only been charged with manslaughter, not 2nd degree murder.
Cheers, and peace to you.
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No, there´s no One Million MJ Movement in Spain by now.
As well as no hoax forum.
And no, in my country noway it´s perceived the world is going to change because of this, other things maybe, but not this (we have different problems). As well as MJ trials were not a big deal either, as in many other countries.
I hope it achieves things in the USA though.
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No, there´s no One Million MJ Movement in Spain.
And no, in my country noway it´s perceived the world is going to change because of this, other things maybe, but not this (we have different problems). As well as MJ trials were not a big deal either, as in many other countries.
I hope it achieves things in the USA though.
They are currently being planned all over the world. :)
This is from the facebook page:
IF YOU WANT TO HELP WITH RALLY IN YOUR COUNTRY, OPEN NEW DISCUSSION ON HERE
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic ... 9810000346 (http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=13315&uid=10150089810000346)
AUSTRALIA
UK
HONG KONG
FRANCE
ITALY
DENMARK
SWEDEN
CANADA
IRELAND
GERMANY
RUSSIA
MORE TO COME
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Sorry I edited my post again and I added by now... ;)
And I still hope MJ BAMS before of course.
Maybe that´s BAM´s day :)
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Cherilyn Lee, MJ's nurse/nutritionist, has also committed to attend the One Million MJ Movement in August in Washigton, D.C. on August 30.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/lacraspeaksout (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/lacraspeaksout)
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The Letter Campaign is another way to get involved, specifically for those in the US.
Quote from the website:
"After hearing the news on Fox on the evening of March 22, 2010, I believe it is imperative that we get as many officials on this investigation as possible. This isn't just about Michael anymore. This is about his children, it is about anyone that is killed in the name of money and corporate interest.
Michael is not the only one this has happened to. He is just the most globally prominent human being this has ever happened to. Michael was one of the artists to fight the hardest to stop it, while other artists have stuck their heads in the sand while he was fighting to expose companies like Sony for what they are doing."
People across the country are writing letters to US State Senators and Representatives about the inconsistencies and apparent conspiracies related to this case. There are "model" form letters you can use, as well as mailing addresses.
The model letters clearly state all the inconsistencies that we have also discovered through our research.
http://www.michaeljacksonjustice.com/MJ ... mpaign.htm (http://www.michaeljacksonjustice.com/MJlettercampaign.htm)
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Here is the speech from Eddie Jones, Jr., President of Los Angeles Civil Rights Association (LACRA), at the courthouse on April 5.
[youtube:3dc88uag]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4SH5AlHSaM&feature[/youtube:3dc88uag]
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I have to say I agree with Mr. Jones (see above vid.) There is strength (of support and power) in numbers.
Will your voice be heard? How?
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I can sense a frustration coming from everyone who wishes for 'something' - 'anything' to happen...it's as though we are reaching the one year mark soon - since MJ has 'disappeared'. I say 'disappeared' because I myself still have hope he is alive, although I cannot come to a 100% certainty - believe me it has nothing to do with my faith in the hoax theory. I am just trying to maintain a sanity.
Now, I think this approaching the one year mark, is making alot of people edgy - needing, wanting more yet finding it harder to hang on, yet again wanting to hang on.
I'm wondering how fans can "approach" the Jacksons and unite for the cry against injustice - when we don't even really know where the Jacksons themselves really stand on whether MJ is alive or not? We still have not heard them ask us to stop "this nonsense" if it is what they might think? How can you approach someone or a group of people when you know that the biggest issue HERE, in this website, is FOR the people who believe in the hoax theory? Meaning - how can we approach the Jacksons, when we don't really know if they are hiding something or not? It would be odd to go up and say "Hey Jackson family - you know, we really are with you - we support you - we want to help change the world - get justice going in the name of MJ and those like MJ who have suffered mass media's twisted games and strong hold ---but----um...are we on the same level here, regarding our belief in the hoax? OR not??"
I mean it is an issue that CANNOT be separated or dismissed or even set aside for awhile. I mean, either you believe MJ is dead or not. In order to go forth and support the family, you need to be on common grounds with THAT SINGLE fact, either he's dead or alive. It's like going to a funeral and giving your condolences to the deceased person's survivors, but there's that unspoken unfamiliar ground - of whether or not the deceased really is deceased or not. What's that? That is so weird. There HAS TO BE clarity on that one area. I mean after all, we're not discussing with MJ's family what his biggest hits were in the past. That's something that can be pulled out from the books of facts. No one can argue which of his songs were the hit makers and which weren't. It's in the charts, in the files...but we're dealing with a PERSON who HAD or STILL HAS a life...We don't even KNOW that for sure, either way.
Unless we're willing to just drop that whole subject of the hoax. Unless we're just willing to say that whether or not he is alive or not - is not as important as changing the world. Now, who is willing to really say they don't care anymore if he's alive or not? Call me selfish, call me ignorant, call me whatever...but I am on this website because it is a deal breaker for me. A deal breaker. To find out or try to at least, figure out whether the hoax will turn out to be true - or not. If I wasn't a fan that cared about the issue - if my sole purpose was to carry through with the MJ legacy of world change, perhaps I'd be out there physically, doing something to push that change. But that's not my sole purpose here. Sorry if it sounds bad, but that's the truth.
Yeah, MJ wanted/wants change - but I'm not letting go of the hunt and wait to see what happens from now. Look - I can't even decide whether I want to speak in present or past tense when it comes to MJ's desire for change in our universe. I'm still NOT THERE - not ready to just toss this issue out. If anything, to say the least, if anything I'd like to see - is at least have the Jackson family say straight to the camera, "Please stop this hoax theory nonsense...let Michael's dream prosper - please help us stop the injustice with your first small step...unite...don't divide." But they haven't come up with anything close to that - they KNOW about the theory...but where are their opinions? Their voices to us? Maybe that might be the first step here - to try and get the Jacksons to say SOMETHING. ANYTHING...about all of us who are trying to find some closure to MJ's disappearance? True they can't MAKE US believe something we don't want to - but they can at least dish out their card, the one that they hold in their hand...the one that they believe is to be true...dead or alive? Which one is it, Jackson family? We need to know where YOU stand. Tell us Jackson family, are we being disrespectful to you and Michael, for continuing this saga? Or are we getting warmer and warmer by the month, the week, the day, the hour? I need to know..so that then, I can find a PLACE to stand and start thinking what my next move might be - towards a better world...what MJ wanted...or wants...you see what I mean? Our leader in the army - is missing. His own family has not cleared up inconsistencies, slip ups, missing pieces to the puzzle...those that were closer to Michael physically than we fans ever got...And if THEY can't make a statement...how can we conclude anything???
I agree with most you've said. Especially the part with the Jackson family. Plus we dont have the least notion of what really happened on June 25th and afterwards. Most informations we got from it are tabloid stuff. I still believe this is a hoax. They try to make us believe that MJ was murdered and Murray is meant to be the scapegoat. Nevertheless we can do something for Michael: We can defend him whenever its necessary. For example when we see a disrespectful article online or in a magazine we can send an email or write back to comlplain against it. Also those who think this could be murder can write to the court or even to Obama or what all else. As long as we raise our voice for him and are proud of being his fans (and show it) it would be alright. I think theres no need for everybody to march, especially when its not very easy for everybody to do it (distance).
By the way Iam german so my english is not perfect ;)
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50thstatebeliever, I agree that we are people on this forum is because we believe and we hope that Michael is alive. And my support would be to clear his name so many of the unfair things were said, so that people know who were those who denigrated, insulted, abused morally, mentally and even financially. I actually could have made it their total destruction, but did not. The suffering that this causes you did I'm sure most sensitive and must be understood even more the human imperfection (that's why I think Michael was put in the hands of a doctor to inject her drugs).
My support is to spread the genius, the man humanitarian and an excellent father, the eternal child who has a spiritual wealth far beyond material wealth that genre with his talent. :)
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50thstatebeliever, I agree that we are people on this forum is because we believe and we hope that Michael is alive.
We are here to investigate if he faked his death. It is an overstatement and false assumption to think that everyone here 100% thinks or knows he did. I would suspect most people here are all across the spectrum in their personal thoughts and beliefs, ranging anywhere from 5% beLIEving to 100% beLIEving. We're here because we are suspicious and open-minded that this could be the case.
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Especially let us not lower(dim) arms! Let us not loose courage! If M.J is very alive then it is has we to discover him(it)! I am French and I know quite a lot of people who do not believe either that M.J died... Why? And indeed because too many indications and incoherence proves us the opposite! I make myself look for quite as we all I hope for it! And I find very mysterious that the ambulance comes to look for Michael and that it puts a great deal of time(weather) moving back and in more than sirens is not to light(to switch on)! If she(it) puts so much time(weather) and what sirens was not on the march his(her,its) probably means that he had already died has this moment and that its heart did not beat any more! But recently we learnt(taught) that his(her,its) heart always beat but that he died has sound to arrive has the hospital! Thus if it was good professionals who were in this ambulance then them to serer really in a mess now nobody do not know which(who) was in this ambulance!! And besides
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kingofmystery, of course it is investigating, that if you had 100% certainty what happened, the forum would have no reason to exist. You said in another thread as everyone has their opinion, and everyone is free to believe what they want. In my post I'm writing my personal opinion, at no time I wrote that here everyone thinks one way.
at no time asserting that here everyone thinks one way, suppose is not to say, besides this is hoax forum
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kingofmystery, of course it is investigating, that if you had 100% certainty what happened, the forum would have no reason to exist. You said in another thread as everyone has their opinion, and everyone is free to believe what they want. In my post I'm writing my personal opinion, at no time I wrote that here everyone thinks one way.
at no time asserting that here everyone thinks one way, suppose is not to say, besides this is hoax forum
paula-c,
I was responding specifically to:
I agree that we are people on this forum is because we believe and we hope that Michael is alive.
Thank you for the clarification and acknowledgment that not on all people on this forum believe (100%) that he is alive. Cheers and peace to you.