Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: ladylee1979 on March 31, 2010, 04:57:43 AM
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MICHAEL JACKSON was resuscitated by doctors an hour after he suffered the cardiac arrest which led to his death, according to the King of Pop's father JOE JACKSON.
The Thriller superstar's heart stopped after he was allegedly given a dose of powerful anaesthetic Propofol by his personal physician Dr. Conrad Murray last June (09).
The medic has pleaded not guilty to one count of involuntary manslaughter after Los Angeles prosecutors charged him with administering the drug to the singer.
Joe Jackson wants Murray held to account for medical malpractice and his lawyer Brian Oxman revealed last week (begs22Mar10) that he was preparing to file a wrongful death lawsuit against the doctor on behalf of the family patriarch.
In the legal documents, filed in Los Angeles County Superior Court and obtained by Britain's News of the World tabloid, it is alleged that Jackson was revived for 10 minutes after being admitted to the UCLA hospital on 25 June (09).
The papers state, "At 13:21 hours or 1:21pm, the nurses and physicians at UCLA detected a weak femoral pulse and cardiac activity for Michael Jackson. At 13:22 hours he showed cardiac activity. At 13.33 he showed a weak ventricular rhythm (contracting of the lower heart chambers).
"Dr. Richelle Cooper (head of the UCLA Medical Center Emergency Department) reported that when Michael Jackson was intubated with an endotrachial tube he had good breath sounds and, 'The initial cardiac rhythm appeared to be wide and slow in the 40s.' At 13.52 or 1.52pm he had a pulse of 53 beats per minute...
"Despite these efforts, Michael Jackson did not regain a spontaneous pulse or heartbeat. Michael was pronounced dead at 2:26 pm."
In the suit, Oxman alleges Murray lied to the doctors treating Jackson about the drugs the singer had been taking, and failed to mention the use of Propofol, a claim backed up by Cooper's report of the hospitalisation.
Her account states: "By report of Dr. Murray the patient had been working long hours but had not been ill. The only medications reported were Valium and Flomax. There is no history of drug use by the patient as reported by Dr. Murray."
Joe Jackson is convinced the medical timeline leading up to his son's death is enough to prove Murray was responsible for the superstar's passing.
He says, "This evidence is damning. They should lock him up and throw away the key. It's disgusting what happened here."
Jackson Sr. is seeking an unspecified amount of punitive damages, economic support, loss of companionship and loss of consortium.
Murray has 90 days to respond to the lawsuit
sorry if this has already been posted couldnt see it.
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Oh... Poor Michael ! He wanted to live ! It's very sad. And it's not good for hoax theory...
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This is getting so destorted. This makes me believe he is dead.. But you read and hear jermaine will the slip ups, and you feel he is alive. This is hard on all of us believers, I guess we shouldn't lose faith.
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I don't see anything wrong.. they saying he was Resuscitated After Cardiac Arrest.. ^.^
I can think only about ... "piece by piece by piece..." :lol:
and Joe saying this NOW. a few days before Easter.. :mrgreen: after all those months... 8-)
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The papers state, "At 13:21 hours or 1:21pm, the nurses and physicians at UCLA detected a weak femoral pulse and cardiac activity for Michael Jackson. At 13:22 hours he showed cardiac activity. At 13.33 he showed a weak ventricular rhythm (contracting of the lower heart chambers).
"Dr. Richelle Cooper (head of the UCLA Medical Center Emergency Department) reported that when Michael Jackson was intubated with an endotrachial tube he had good breath sounds and, 'The initial cardiac rhythm appeared to be wide and slow in the 40s.' At 13.52 or 1.52pm he had a pulse of 53 beats per minute...
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All those numbers.. Almost everyone can be assembled into 3 or 7 :lol:
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Yeahhhh ok I just don't understand why on earth this information would be surfacing NOW.....UNLESS this is a hoax. If these things were really true, it makes no sense for it to just come out not. It just doesn't. Why has UCLA been so quiet up until now? Do we even know if the people making these statements are real people?
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Guys,
PLEASE, Im begging you........PLEASE...I have done this and I advise you to do the same.
Prepare yourself for the very real fact that MJ may have actually died. I personally know he is alive,,,,Ive had doubts yes, but whenver news of this nature comes out, alot of you lose hope and say you will have to grieve all over again.
That is why you need to prepare yourself mentally that he COULD be dead...so that IF he IS dead, it wont come as a shock. I mean, werent we put through enough on June 25th? Do you really want to live that all over again? There are so many BS stories out there that we cant tell now what is true and what isnt.
Im not saying he's dead, but you just need to be prepared in case that is what actually happened. Of course we all know he is alive or we wouldnt be members of thsi board right?
Keep your heads up....I will have no frowning on here!!!
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Guys,
PLEASE, Im begging you........PLEASE...I have done this and I advise you to do the same.
Prepare yourself for the very real fact that MJ may have actually died. I personally know he is alive,,,,Ive had doubts yes, but whenver news of this nature comes out, alot of you lose hope and say you will have to grieve all over again.
That is why you need to prepare yourself mentally that he COULD be dead...so that IF he IS dead, it wont come as a shock. I mean, werent we put through enough on June 25th? Do you really want to live that all over again? There are so many BS stories out there that we cant tell now what is true and what isnt.
Im not saying he's dead, but you just need to be prepared in case that is what actually happened. Of course we all know he is alive or we wouldnt be members of thsi board right?
Keep your heads up....I will have no frowning on here!!!
how can i prepare myself for it?? IF he is dead when i don't think i can.. live.. normally.. It's too painful..
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Guys,
PLEASE, Im begging you........PLEASE...I have done this and I advise you to do the same.
Prepare yourself for the very real fact that MJ may have actually died. I personally know he is alive,,,,Ive had doubts yes, but whenver news of this nature comes out, alot of you lose hope and say you will have to grieve all over again.
That is why you need to prepare yourself mentally that he COULD be dead...so that IF he IS dead, it wont come as a shock. I mean, werent we put through enough on June 25th? Do you really want to live that all over again? There are so many BS stories out there that we cant tell now what is true and what isnt.
Im not saying he's dead, but you just need to be prepared in case that is what actually happened. Of course we all know he is alive or we wouldnt be members of thsi board right?
Keep your heads up....I will have no frowning on here!!!
how can i prepare myself for it?? IF he is dead when i don't think i can.. live.. normally.. It's too painful..
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Well, you already thought he was dead on June 25th right?
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yes.. I thought he is dead for 1month.. and i didn't eat, i couldn't sleep without sleeping-draught, I was crying all the time.. i didin't want to see anyone or talk... I was in depression..
I don't think it would be that bad... but not easier...
and I'm sure he's alive... ^.^
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Guys,
PLEASE, Im begging you........PLEASE...I have done this and I advise you to do the same.
Prepare yourself for the very real fact that MJ may have actually died. I personally know he is alive,,,,Ive had doubts yes, but whenver news of this nature comes out, alot of you lose hope and say you will have to grieve all over again.
That is why you need to prepare yourself mentally that he COULD be dead...so that IF he IS dead, it wont come as a shock. I mean, werent we put through enough on June 25th? Do you really want to live that all over again? There are so many BS stories out there that we cant tell now what is true and what isnt.
Im not saying he's dead, but you just need to be prepared in case that is what actually happened. Of course we all know he is alive or we wouldnt be members of thsi board right?
Keep your heads up....I will have no frowning on here!!!
how can i prepare myself for it?? IF he is dead when i don't think i can.. live.. normally.. It's too painful..
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Well, you already thought he was dead on June 25th right?
I DIDN'T!!! honestly, it struck me but i had doubts from the very beginning, they lasted for as long as it took the ambulance pic to show. then i went like...>phew<...thank god, this MUST be bs then... :mrgreen:
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Guys,
PLEASE, Im begging you........PLEASE...I have done this and I advise you to do the same.
Prepare yourself for the very real fact that MJ may have actually died. I personally know he is alive,,,,Ive had doubts yes, but whenver news of this nature comes out, alot of you lose hope and say you will have to grieve all over again.
That is why you need to prepare yourself mentally that he COULD be dead...so that IF he IS dead, it wont come as a shock. I mean, werent we put through enough on June 25th? Do you really want to live that all over again? There are so many BS stories out there that we cant tell now what is true and what isnt.
Im not saying he's dead, but you just need to be prepared in case that is what actually happened. Of course we all know he is alive or we wouldnt be members of thsi board right?
Keep your heads up....I will have no frowning on here!!!
how can i prepare myself for it?? IF he is dead when i don't think i can.. live.. normally.. It's too painful..
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You say the you personally know he is alive.... is that your gut instinct telling you that? To me that means you know that for sure. Sorry to question you but that statement took my breath away, and that has happened to me a lot on here so I was just wondering, we all want him to be alive and find out that this was a Great Adventure, but sometimes I just can not get past the negative things that have come out, and we all know how good the press is for stuff like that.....now I have to tell myself to breath again, I'm getting restless...........
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THERE R MORE CHANCES FOR THE WHOLE THING TO BE A HOAX THAN A MURDER.. OK IF THIS IS A MURDER THEN Y THE HELL THE FAMILY R DIVIDED IN THEIR BEHAVIOR, I MEAN THE SLIP UPS N HINTS BY THEM....THESE R NOT ACCIDENTAL SLIP UPS N ANYONE WITH COMMON SENSE CAN ANALYZE THAT. IF HE WAS MURDERED REALLY THEN THE REACTION WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT , I MEAN ONE SIDED, BUT NOT LIKE THIS. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PUBLIC CAMPAIGNING FOR JUSTICE... BUT NOT THIS KIND OF CLOWNISH BEHAVIOR...... IF THIS IS A HOAX HE WILL SURELY COME BACK ,MY POINT IS HOW LONG CAN HE HIDE IN DISGUISES... FOR HIS WHOLE LIFE ,SOMEONE WILL LEAK THE WHOLE THING N EXPOSE HIM.... N HOAX.
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The last couple of weeks we've gone from MJ being dead a few hours before the paramedics arrived to MJ being alive in UCLA, it seems the truth is slowly being trickled out... imo we're heading towards something big.
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may be they drag the issue for 6 more months... that is what i feel.
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rasyte, you're right. Well now we're going to see and hear things in the media, so get ready. Analyze everything you say. ;) 8-) :lol:
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THE JACKSONOLOGIST ยป Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:43 pm
rasyte wrote:
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
Guys,
PLEASE, Im begging you........PLEASE...I have done this and I advise you to do the same.
Prepare yourself for the very real fact that MJ may have actually died. I personally know he is alive,,,,Ive had doubts yes, but whenver news of this nature comes out, alot of you lose hope and say you will have to grieve all over again.
That is why you need to prepare yourself mentally that he COULD be dead...so that IF he IS dead, it wont come as a shock. I mean, werent we put through enough on June 25th? Do you really want to live that all over again? There are so many BS stories out there that we cant tell now what is true and what isnt.
Im not saying he's dead, but you just need to be prepared in case that is what actually happened. Of course we all know he is alive or we wouldnt be members of thsi board right?
Keep your heads up....I will have no frowning on here!!!
how can i prepare myself for it?? IF he is dead when i don't think i can.. live.. normally.. It's too painful..
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Well, you already thought he was dead on June 25th right?
Jacksonologist,
I agree with you. We should be prepared. No need for getting all depressed over again over something that happened June 25th. Not trying to be mean. But why go through it all over again. We have been around this circle long enough.
I really hope he is not but if so then I have come to terms to accept it. It's nothing that I or noone else can do. People do die. MJ is as human as all of us on this board. If he is gone, then realize this is part of life. If he is alive and I really hope so, okay.
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Everyone asks why this info just come out?
#1 the hospital CANNOT disclose a persons medical files, HIPPA Laws. PRIVACY ACT.
#2 Joe did fight for the hospital records and just recently got them.
#3 It takes a bit for Joe and Oxman, to decide what to do and move forward with the case, that's why they are now releasing this info. Joe's doing it, not the hospital.
I hope MJ is still alive, but .........
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The last couple of weeks we've gone from MJ being dead a few hours before the paramedics arrived to MJ being alive in UCLA, it seems the truth is slowly being trickled out... imo we're heading towards something big.
My sentiments exactly. My gut tells me that MJ is alive. I go by my gut instincts. I just love how the media changes the story as they please.
Tired of injustice
Tired of the schemes
The lies are disgusting
So what does it mean
Kicking me down
I got to get up
As jacked as it sounds
The whole system sucks
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I have the following possibility thought about this:
1. Joe does not aware of hoax or he knows, but because MJ left in his fake will Joe without money, he is trying to get money from wrongful death case, or
2. "MICHAEL JACKSON was resuscitated by doctors an hour after he suffered the cardiac arrest"- if this is possible at all to gain paulse after cardiac arrest, he was resuscitated and suddenly and right at the hospital decides to move on with hoax and be announced dead.
But then the whole autopcy report is fake or it was done on somebody else.
Remember the Pianogames was writing what makes him beleive that MJ is alive, because there is no possibility to have low paulse along with cardiac arrest.
I think we should read about cardiac arrest, coma conditions at some medical site.
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well i feel by reading this that they are preparing us to the final.. that he is stil alive..
im sorry i can't help feeling that this hole thing did happen. but mj survived but has the need for allot of rest and the fam only said that he was dead so that he could have peace and they could make some money :?
so in my head he is feeling better now and they are preparing us for the truth.
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I am not bashing anyone in his family and I don't want anyone to bash me for saying this but I fill I need to say it. So, here goes.
Why in the world is Joe sueing for money. He knows that Murray does not have any money. And why is he sueing for money for his own gain. IMO, if he sues and wins he should give the money to a charity that Michael was passionate about. Joe has already tried to get money from the estate for his own use and now he is suing Murray. Katherine had already been asked if she was going to file a wrongful death suit and she said that there would be no point, it would be like trying to get blood from a turnip. I fully understand that Joe is hurt and wants Murray to hurt as well, but there is no point trying to take something that he doesnt have. If Murray is not convicted and it turns out that Michael really did pass, Murray will get his. Not only will he be answering to God but he will also be answering to Michaels fans.
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Very easy dragonflylilies.
He wants to prove a conspiracy with Murray and the State (Branca) involved together to kill MJ...
So the Will could be revoqued.
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tmz:
Furthermore, sources tell TMZ Dr. Conrad Murray insists he was able to restart Jackson's heart at the singer's home before paramedics arrived and then maintained heart activity in the ambulance.
Dr. Murray's evaluation contradicts paramedics at the scene who wanted to take Jackson to the morgue, not UCLA, because they believed he was dead.
It also contradicts Joe Jackson's lawyer, Brian Oxman, who tells TMZ he believes Jackson was dead even before paramedics arrived at the house. Oxman says the weak pulse detected at UCLA was in reaction to resuscitation efforts.
We're told the criminal case is shaping up as a legal war between medical experts, who will be interpreting medical tests and charts in various ways -- always confusing for a jury.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/30/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-heart-ekg-paramedics-ucla-medical-center-wrongful-death/
I dont understand if he was resucitaded why we know that now and not after :?: :? :(
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tmz:
Furthermore, sources tell TMZ Dr. Conrad Murray insists he was able to restart Jackson's heart at the singer's home before paramedics arrived and then maintained heart activity in the ambulance.
Dr. Murray's evaluation contradicts paramedics at the scene who wanted to take Jackson to the morgue, not UCLA, because they believed he was dead.
It also contradicts Joe Jackson's lawyer, Brian Oxman, who tells TMZ he believes Jackson was dead even before paramedics arrived at the house. Oxman says the weak pulse detected at UCLA was in reaction to resuscitation efforts.
We're told the criminal case is shaping up as a legal war between medical experts, who will be interpreting medical tests and charts in various ways -- always confusing for a jury.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/30/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-heart-ekg-paramedics-ucla-medical-center-wrongful-death/
I dont understand if he was resucitaded why we know that now and not after :?: :? :(
And what about the ambulance ? Do the ambulances drive so slowly when they have someone with weak pulse or heart activity and they are hoping to save his life ? From the ambulance, it looked it was not an emergency anymore.
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tmz:
Furthermore, sources tell TMZ Dr. Conrad Murray insists he was able to restart Jackson's heart at the singer's home before paramedics arrived and then maintained heart activity in the ambulance.
Dr. Murray's evaluation contradicts paramedics at the scene who wanted to take Jackson to the morgue, not UCLA, because they believed he was dead.
It also contradicts Joe Jackson's lawyer, Brian Oxman, who tells TMZ he believes Jackson was dead even before paramedics arrived at the house. Oxman says the weak pulse detected at UCLA was in reaction to resuscitation efforts.
We're told the criminal case is shaping up as a legal war between medical experts, who will be interpreting medical tests and charts in various ways -- always confusing for a jury.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/30/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-heart-ekg-paramedics-ucla-medical-center-wrongful-death/
I dont understand if he was resucitaded why we know that now and not after :?: :? :(
And what about the ambulance ? Do the ambulances drive so slowly when they have someone with weak pulse or heart activity and they are hoping to save his life ? From the ambulance, it looked it was not an emergency anymore.
When someone is in cardiac arrest, the ambulance transport lights and sirens. It would have been very irresponsible for the driver to have flown out of the driveway as the medics in the back were actually working on the patient. I know a lot of people don't understand that. And just because this may come up, it was totally appropriate to not have sirens on at the time they were leaving the residence (they DID have lights on). And to argue that further, it took them 6 minutes to get from the house to the hospital. That time is very quick, so they definitely didn't just cruise there, ya know?
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tmz:
Furthermore, sources tell TMZ Dr. Conrad Murray insists he was able to restart Jackson's heart at the singer's home before paramedics arrived and then maintained heart activity in the ambulance.
Dr. Murray's evaluation contradicts paramedics at the scene who wanted to take Jackson to the morgue, not UCLA, because they believed he was dead.
It also contradicts Joe Jackson's lawyer, Brian Oxman, who tells TMZ he believes Jackson was dead even before paramedics arrived at the house. Oxman says the weak pulse detected at UCLA was in reaction to resuscitation efforts.
We're told the criminal case is shaping up as a legal war between medical experts, who will be interpreting medical tests and charts in various ways -- always confusing for a jury.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/30/conrad-murray-michael-jackson-heart-ekg-paramedics-ucla-medical-center-wrongful-death/
I dont understand if he was resucitaded why we know that now and not after :?: :? :(
And what about the ambulance ? Do the ambulances drive so slowly when they have someone with weak pulse or heart activity and they are hoping to save his life ? From the ambulance, it looked it was not an emergency anymore.
When someone is in cardiac arrest, the ambulance transport lights and sirens. It would have been very irresponsible for the driver to have flown out of the driveway as the medics in the back were actually working on the patient. I know a lot of people don't understand that. And just because this may come up, it was totally appropriate to not have sirens on at the time they were leaving the residence (they DID have lights on). And to argue that further, it took them 6 minutes to get from the house to the hospital. That time is very quick, so they definitely didn't just cruise there, ya know?
i thought i read somewhere it takes 5 minutes from michael's house to UCLA- he was that close. so the 6 minute drive isn't really that rushed, in my opinion (if that "5 minute drive"evidence is valid).
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And what about the ambulance ? Do the ambulances drive so slowly when they have someone with weak pulse or heart activity and they are hoping to save his life ? From the ambulance, it looked it was not an emergency anymore.
When someone is in cardiac arrest, the ambulance transport lights and sirens. It would have been very irresponsible for the driver to have flown out of the driveway as the medics in the back were actually working on the patient. I know a lot of people don't understand that. And just because this may come up, it was totally appropriate to not have sirens on at the time they were leaving the residence (they DID have lights on). And to argue that further, it took them 6 minutes to get from the house to the hospital. That time is very quick, so they definitely didn't just cruise there, ya know?
i thought i read somewhere it takes 5 minutes from michael's house to UCLA- he was that close. so the 6 minute drive isn't really that rushed, in my opinion (if that "5 minute drive"evidence is valid).
Mapquest says 7 minutes. Now here's the thing, we don't know if the driver told dispatch he was transporting when he began backing out, while he was backing out, or as he was leaving the residence. So if he did it when he began to back out, that means it took only 3 minutes. Regardless, 3-6 minutes is an awesome transport time. We don't know what traffic was like, so I can't speculate, but I would not complain about a 6 minute transport.
And again, the driver cannot just fly at top speeds. The medics are working on the patient and you can't get anything done if you're being thrown around in the back. I've told my driver to slow down many times. In 100% honesty, in a cardiac arrest I prefer they don't drive as fast as they could because I need to be able to interpret the rhythm, do compressions, make sure my tube doesn't come out, administer medications, etc. All of that requires you to not be thrown around.
When I will tell my partner to stand on it is when I have a really, really sick patient that I know I can't do much for but they need to get to the hospital FAST. A cardiac arrest that's been worked for over 42 minutes is not something that you would need to stand on it for. Lights and sirens yes. But not flying at top speeds.
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What I am seeing here are some people starting to doubt because
of this article but to me, it screams out HOAX. Every time the news
dies down to the point we barely hear anything on MJ, something
new gets brought up in the media, why's that? Why not deliver us
the news all at once? They need to keep the popularity of his supposed
death alive. It's all about financial gain. Everybody wants a piece of
the pie. I don't see much MJ merchandise at the store. They need
to keep the money flowing. I am convinced that he is alive & if it
can be proved beyond a shadow of a doupt that he is dead, I refuse
to believe so. I think he is hiding out & people are taking advantage
of that for finacial gain & I'm sorry if I upset anyone but Joe Jackson
included because the stories keep changing or more keeps getting
added on. Don't loose faith & stay away from the what ifs.
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billyjean're right every time there is a story about MJ contradicts what was said before, I'm at the point, to believe that Michael died I have to really look at the body. 8-)
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"Michael WAS RESUSCITATED after cardiac arrest" do we need more explaination about it
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8-)
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Mapquest says 7 minutes. Now here's the thing, we don't know if the driver told dispatch he was transporting when he began backing out, while he was backing out, or as he was leaving the residence. So if he did it when he began to back out, that means it took only 3 minutes. Regardless, 3-6 minutes is an awesome transport time. We don't know what traffic was like, so I can't speculate, but I would not complain about a 6 minute transport.
And again, the driver cannot just fly at top speeds. The medics are working on the patient and you can't get anything done if you're being thrown around in the back. I've told my driver to slow down many times. In 100% honesty, in a cardiac arrest I prefer they don't drive as fast as they could because I need to be able to interpret the rhythm, do compressions, make sure my tube doesn't come out, administer medications, etc. All of that requires you to not be thrown around.
When I will tell my partner to stand on it is when I have a really, really sick patient that I know I can't do much for but they need to get to the hospital FAST. A cardiac arrest that's been worked for over 42 minutes is not something that you would need to stand on it for. Lights and sirens yes. But not flying at top speeds.
So, is your last sentence related to the chances of make someone "revive" or get back any vital sign after almost one hour of resuscitative efforts?
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This should blow it all out of the water for you all.
Listen to what Oxman is saying...He got a call a little before noon saying Randy's assistant had taken Michael FROM the Hospital...taken him where?..does that coincide with Jermaine saying Michael was not with them when he arrived at the AIRPORT?....oops he meant hospital...yeah right...!!
So if Michael was taken FROM the hospital a little before noon....what the heck is up with the 911 call at 12:21....cause we know THAT is so accurate....Oxman is really SO heart broken, it is just all he can do to keep from bursting out laughing..OH yeah we know MR Oxman that the abulance photo is fake
http://www.youtube.com/user/CBS#p/search/0/k3Izi-tS5Kk (http://www.youtube.com/user/CBS#p/search/0/k3Izi-tS5Kk)
The list goes on and on and on and on
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Mapquest says 7 minutes. Now here's the thing, we don't know if the driver told dispatch he was transporting when he began backing out, while he was backing out, or as he was leaving the residence. So if he did it when he began to back out, that means it took only 3 minutes. Regardless, 3-6 minutes is an awesome transport time. We don't know what traffic was like, so I can't speculate, but I would not complain about a 6 minute transport.
And again, the driver cannot just fly at top speeds. The medics are working on the patient and you can't get anything done if you're being thrown around in the back. I've told my driver to slow down many times. In 100% honesty, in a cardiac arrest I prefer they don't drive as fast as they could because I need to be able to interpret the rhythm, do compressions, make sure my tube doesn't come out, administer medications, etc. All of that requires you to not be thrown around.
When I will tell my partner to stand on it is when I have a really, really sick patient that I know I can't do much for but they need to get to the hospital FAST. A cardiac arrest that's been worked for over 42 minutes is not something that you would need to stand on it for. Lights and sirens yes. But not flying at top speeds.
So, is your last sentence related to the chances of make someone "revive" or get back any vital sign after almost one hour of resuscitative efforts?
I'm not sure I entirely understand your question. Please feel free to reask it if I'm not giving the answer you intended.
I think you're referring to "A cardiac arrest that's been worked for over 42 minutes is not something that you would need to stand on it for."? If you are, yes. It is related to the chances of someone surviving after 42+ minutes (which we know was closer to, and could be even more than, an hour). They medics attempted CPR for 20 minutes with no rhythm change. At that point in time, a person is more than likely to have permanent brain damage if they were ever able to actually live. It is in their protocols (and many other ambulance company protocols) to stop resuscitative measures after 20 minutes with thourough attempts and no response from the patient. This is because the patients chances of surviving are so little.
I do understand that they say Michael regained a pulse at the hospital. I'm sure that even the doctors knew that it wasn't going to last, and even if it did, it would have just been enough time for the family to come and say goodbye to the patient.
Again, if you were referring to a different sentence, or I didn't quite answer what you were asking, please let me know and I'll try my best to answer your question :)
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This is getting so destorted. This makes me believe he is dead.. But you read and hear jermaine will the slip ups, and you feel he is alive. This is hard on all of us believers, I guess we shouldn't lose faith.
Never lose faith! Keep the faith!
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This should blow it all out of the water for you all.
Listen to what Oxman is saying...He got a call a little before noon saying Randy's assistant had taken Michael FROM the Hospital...taken him where?..does that coincide with Jermaine saying Michael was not with them when he arrived at the AIRPORT?....oops he meant hospital...yeah right...!!
So if Michael was taken FROM the hospital a little before noon....what the heck is up with the 911 call at 12:21....cause we know THAT is so accurate....Oxman is really SO heart broken, it is just all he can do to keep from bursting out laughing..OH yeah we know MR Oxman that the abulance photo is fake
http://www.youtube.com/user/CBS#p/search/0/k3Izi-tS5Kk (http://www.youtube.com/user/CBS#p/search/0/k3Izi-tS5Kk)
The list goes on and on and on and on
You're absolutely right, he says taken FROM the hospital JUST BEFORE noon. When the call was not even made before 12:22
Also about the smile on his face after he says "it is a very sad day for me, I am heartbroken": -SMILE-. However it does often happen when people are being interviewed and talking about something emotional they have been through, to be smiling. It's a very strange phenomenon, without audio it would seem as if they were talking about something very nice that had happened to them.
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I'm not sure I entirely understand your question. Please feel free to reask it if I'm not giving the answer you intended.
I think you're referring to "A cardiac arrest that's been worked for over 42 minutes is not something that you would need to stand on it for."? If you are, yes. It is related to the chances of someone surviving after 42+ minutes (which we know was closer to, and could be even more than, an hour). They medics attempted CPR for 20 minutes with no rhythm change. At that point in time, a person is more than likely to have permanent brain damage if they were ever able to actually live. It is in their protocols (and many other ambulance company protocols) to stop resuscitative measures after 20 minutes with thourough attempts and no response from the patient. This is because the patients chances of surviving are so little.
I do understand that they say Michael regained a pulse at the hospital. I'm sure that even the doctors knew that it wasn't going to last, and even if it did, it would have just been enough time for the family to come and say goodbye to the patient.
Again, if you were referring to a different sentence, or I didn't quite answer what you were asking, please let me know and I'll try my best to answer your question :)
I'm sorry, I know I was not clear enough, but yes that's exactly what I meant, thank you.
You say that you have a couple of mins till your neurological functions gets a non- reversible damage, so revive a patient after such a long time wouldn't have been the best news ever, right? :?
LadyMedic, did you read the Autopsy Report?
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8-) I think I agree with you peasant ... :lol:
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MYLOVELYONE , I mean you :lol:
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In this blog do a bit of an analysis of the report of the paramedics, the public that all these things have to do with each other, a series of absurd and full of errors, from elaboracon of this report, through all statements we have been listening to the autopsy report. ;)
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Why is Joe coming out with this information now?!...Okay they resuscitated him after an hour, so what happened next?! I'm no doctor nor do I have any kind of medical background...but how is it possible to resuscitate someone an hour after they supposedly had an heart attack caused by an anesthetic drug?! Think about it, propofol knocks you completely out and causes respiratory problems, that's why doctors use breathing devices cause the drug impairs breathing. So how could they have revived him especially when Murray initially didn't tell them what he had given MJ?..Don't they have to use some type of other drug to wake someone up after they took an anesthetic drug? And how does the EMT"s know he had an heart attack? Cause it could have been respiratory failure or whatever the term is. Ay yai yai I have a freakin headache. Lies lies and more stupid lies. These Jackson's are starting to really piss me off! I don't know what's going on but none of it makes any sense. :twisted:
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Why is Joe coming out with this information now?!...Okay they resuscitated him after an hour, so what happened next?! I'm no doctor nor do I have any kind of medical background...but how is it possible to resuscitate someone an hour after they supposedly had an heart attack caused by an anesthetic drug?! Think about it, propofol knocks you completely out and causes respiratory problems, that's why doctors use breathing devices cause the drug impairs breathing. So how could they have revived him especially when Murray initially didn't tell them what he had given MJ?..Don't they have to use some type of other drug to wake someone up after they took an anesthetic drug? And how does the EMT"s know he had an heart attack? Cause it could have been respiratory failure or whatever the term is. Ay yai yai I have a freakin headache. Lies lies and more stupid lies. These Jackson's are starting to really piss me off! I don't know what's going on but none of it makes any sense. :twisted:
He did not have a heart attack. The paramedics never said he had a heart attack. No medical personnel ever said he had a heart attack.
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In this blog do a bit of an analysis of the report of the paramedics, the public that all these things have to do with each other, a series of absurd and full of errors, from elaboracon of this report, through all statements we have been listening to the autopsy report. ;)
I read your blog, and I think you're confusing a pulse ox with ETCO2. And the EKG you have doesn't really fit into what you're talking about. If you have questions about it, I'd be more than willing to answer them, because your information is very misconstrued.
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LadyMedic, this blog is not mine, you post to know if someone can get us to all doubts, I'm no doctor. But not to be a doctor tell me that all these reports, the paramedics as the autopsy are full of errors and contradictions. ;)
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LadyMedic, this blog is not mine, you post to know if someone can get us to all doubts, I'm no doctor. But not to be a doctor tell me that all these reports, the paramedics as the autopsy are full of errors and contradictions. ;)
Ah! I'm sorry, I thought it was yours. But the writer seems confused about what they're writing about. But everything I've seen from the medics so far has seemed very legit.
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'Michael Was Resuscitated After Cardiac Arrest'
I agree. This supports the preparation for a return. It already has put thoughts in non-believers minds that MJ could still possibly be alive :!: :!:
All these news reports are fake and are only being released to keep up with the hoax. It seems real, but it's all bullshit :!: :!: :!:
These are my thoughts about any new article released in the press. It's all part of this wonderful "adventure". Keep the faith and trust in GOD. As always. with L.O.V.E xox
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LadyMedic , it seems strange that if the 911 call took place at 12:21 in the image of the oximeter was another hour before I could look 11:51?.... ;)
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LadyMedic , it seems strange that if the 911 call took place at 12:21 in the image of the oximeter was another hour before I could look 11:51?.... ;)
That's not the pulse ox.
And you have to manually set the time on the monitors. It's not automatic. Honest to God, when I checked my monitor yesterday and checked the defib, the time was an hour off. I did it at 9:10-ish and it said 8 something when it printed out.
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Why is Joe coming out with this information now?!...Okay they resuscitated him after an hour, so what happened next?! I'm no doctor nor do I have any kind of medical background...but how is it possible to resuscitate someone an hour after they supposedly had an heart attack caused by an anesthetic drug?! Think about it, propofol knocks you completely out and causes respiratory problems, that's why doctors use breathing devices cause the drug impairs breathing. So how could they have revived him especially when Murray initially didn't tell them what he had given MJ?..Don't they have to use some type of other drug to wake someone up after they took an anesthetic drug? And how does the EMT"s know he had an heart attack? Cause it could have been respiratory failure or whatever the term is. Ay yai yai I have a freakin headache. Lies lies and more stupid lies. These Jackson's are starting to really piss me off! I don't know what's going on but none of it makes any sense. :twisted:
He did not have a heart attack. The paramedics never said he had a heart attack. No medical personnel ever said he had a heart attack.
Well according to these articles, he died of a heart attack. I know the day he "died", I kept hearing heart attack or either cardiac arrest and correct me if I'm wrong but I thought heart attack was another word for cardiac arrest. So I know I wasn't living in La La Land at the time, cause I know what I heard...Read the following articles:
Heart Attack (a.k.a cardiac arrest)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/25/AR2009062503127.html
Cardiac Arrest
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-_n_221104.html
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Why is Joe coming out with this information now?!...Okay they resuscitated him after an hour, so what happened next?! I'm no doctor nor do I have any kind of medical background...but how is it possible to resuscitate someone an hour after they supposedly had an heart attack caused by an anesthetic drug?! Think about it, propofol knocks you completely out and causes respiratory problems, that's why doctors use breathing devices cause the drug impairs breathing. So how could they have revived him especially when Murray initially didn't tell them what he had given MJ?..Don't they have to use some type of other drug to wake someone up after they took an anesthetic drug? And how does the EMT"s know he had an heart attack? Cause it could have been respiratory failure or whatever the term is. Ay yai yai I have a freakin headache. Lies lies and more stupid lies. These Jackson's are starting to really piss me off! I don't know what's going on but none of it makes any sense. :twisted:
He did not have a heart attack. The paramedics never said he had a heart attack. No medical personnel ever said he had a heart attack.
Well according to these articles, he died of a heart attack. I know the day he "died", I kept hearing heart attack or either cardiac arrest and correct me if I'm wrong but I thought heart attack was another word for cardiac arrest. So I know I wasn't living in La La Land at the time, cause I know what I heard...Read the following articles:
Heart Attack (a.k.a cardiac arrest)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/25/AR2009062503127.html
Cardiac Arrest
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-_n_221104.html
You are actually wrong. Cardiac arrest and heart attack are two different things. Cardiac arrest is what everyone will experience. When you die, regardless of what it is from, you are in cardiac arrest. So someone who dies from organ failure, a gun shot, a car accident, suffocating, drowning, etc, they ALL go into cardiac arrest. You can go into cardiac arrest as the result of a heart attack, but not the other way around.
A heart attack is when a vessel is the heart becomes blocked (usually from atherosclerosis) and it causes part of the heart tissue to die. Some people can have heart attacks and never even know because it was so minute. Depending on where the heart attack is and many other factors, the patient could die very quickly. (Like in the movies when they grasp their chest and drop dead. It really can and does happen).
Cardiac arrest is cessation of the heart beating. So literally everyone who dies is in cardiac arrest. When the newspapers post "he died of cardiac arrest", that's about as broad as you can get. You're looking at WHY they went into cardiac arrest. It's a pet peeve of mine 1) when newspapers post that someone died of a heart attack when it had nothing to do with the heart or 2) they say someone died of a cardiac arrest... because EVERYONE who dies is in cardiac arrest.
Does that make sense?
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Why is Joe coming out with this information now?!...Okay they resuscitated him after an hour, so what happened next?! I'm no doctor nor do I have any kind of medical background...but how is it possible to resuscitate someone an hour after they supposedly had an heart attack caused by an anesthetic drug?! Think about it, propofol knocks you completely out and causes respiratory problems, that's why doctors use breathing devices cause the drug impairs breathing. So how could they have revived him especially when Murray initially didn't tell them what he had given MJ?..Don't they have to use some type of other drug to wake someone up after they took an anesthetic drug? And how does the EMT"s know he had an heart attack? Cause it could have been respiratory failure or whatever the term is. Ay yai yai I have a freakin headache. Lies lies and more stupid lies. These Jackson's are starting to really piss me off! I don't know what's going on but none of it makes any sense. :twisted:
He did not have a heart attack. The paramedics never said he had a heart attack. No medical personnel ever said he had a heart attack.
Well according to these articles, he died of a heart attack. I know the day he "died", I kept hearing heart attack or either cardiac arrest and correct me if I'm wrong but I thought heart attack was another word for cardiac arrest. So I know I wasn't living in La La Land at the time, cause I know what I heard...Read the following articles:
Heart Attack (a.k.a cardiac arrest)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/25/AR2009062503127.html
Cardiac Arrest
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-_n_221104.html
You are actually wrong. Cardiac arrest and heart attack are two different things. Cardiac arrest is what everyone will experience. When you die, regardless of what it is from, you are in cardiac arrest. So someone who dies from organ failure, a gun shot, a car accident, suffocating, drowning, etc, they ALL go into cardiac arrest. You can go into cardiac arrest as the result of a heart attack, but not the other way around.
A heart attack is when a vessel is the heart becomes blocked (usually from atherosclerosis) and it causes part of the heart tissue to die. Some people can have heart attacks and never even know because it was so minute. Depending on where the heart attack is and many other factors, the patient could die very quickly. (Like in the movies when they grasp their chest and drop dead. It really can and does happen).
Cardiac arrest is cessation of the heart beating. So literally everyone who dies is in cardiac arrest. When the newspapers post "he died of cardiac arrest", that's about as broad as you can get. You're looking at WHY they went into cardiac arrest. It's a pet peeve of mine 1) when newspapers post that someone died of a heart attack when it had nothing to do with the heart or 2) they say someone died of a cardiac arrest... because EVERYONE who dies is in cardiac arrest.
Does that make sense?
Thanks for clearing that up for me. So why didn't they just say he died instead of getting all fancy with the wording? Were they trying to confuse the public or something? Cause I've been going around thinking that the official story was that he had a heart attack, which didn't make any sense to me...Are you in the medical profession? Cause I've noticed the 'medic' in your username. If so...What's up doc?! Glad to have your expertise. :D
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He did not have a heart attack. The paramedics never said he had a heart attack. No medical personnel ever said he had a heart attack.
Well according to these articles, he died of a heart attack. I know the day he "died", I kept hearing heart attack or either cardiac arrest and correct me if I'm wrong but I thought heart attack was another word for cardiac arrest. So I know I wasn't living in La La Land at the time, cause I know what I heard...Read the following articles:
Heart Attack (a.k.a cardiac arrest)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/25/AR2009062503127.html
Cardiac Arrest
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-_n_221104.html
You are actually wrong. Cardiac arrest and heart attack are two different things. Cardiac arrest is what everyone will experience. When you die, regardless of what it is from, you are in cardiac arrest. So someone who dies from organ failure, a gun shot, a car accident, suffocating, drowning, etc, they ALL go into cardiac arrest. You can go into cardiac arrest as the result of a heart attack, but not the other way around.
A heart attack is when a vessel is the heart becomes blocked (usually from atherosclerosis) and it causes part of the heart tissue to die. Some people can have heart attacks and never even know because it was so minute. Depending on where the heart attack is and many other factors, the patient could die very quickly. (Like in the movies when they grasp their chest and drop dead. It really can and does happen).
Cardiac arrest is cessation of the heart beating. So literally everyone who dies is in cardiac arrest. When the newspapers post "he died of cardiac arrest", that's about as broad as you can get. You're looking at WHY they went into cardiac arrest. It's a pet peeve of mine 1) when newspapers post that someone died of a heart attack when it had nothing to do with the heart or 2) they say someone died of a cardiac arrest... because EVERYONE who dies is in cardiac arrest.
Does that make sense?
Thanks for clearing that up for me. So why didn't they just say he died instead of getting all fancy with the wording? Were they trying to confuse the public or something? Cause I've been going around thinking that the official story was that he had a heart attack, which didn't make any sense to me...Are you in the medical profession? Cause I've noticed the 'medic' in your username. If so...What's up doc?! Glad to have your expertise. :D
Haha, I'm just a paramedic. And the news always does that. Like you, many people do not realize the difference between a heart attack and cardiac arrest. I suppose they just assume they both have something to do with the heart, so they're one in the same. I see it ALL the time in the news. Headlines say "...dies of cardiac arrest" - duh!! It's unfortunately common and doesn't help the public learn the difference. :)
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LadyMedic , please could give his opinion of the report of the paramedics. ;)
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He did not have a heart attack. The paramedics never said he had a heart attack. No medical personnel ever said he had a heart attack.
Well according to these articles, he died of a heart attack. I know the day he "died", I kept hearing heart attack or either cardiac arrest and correct me if I'm wrong but I thought heart attack was another word for cardiac arrest. So I know I wasn't living in La La Land at the time, cause I know what I heard...Read the following articles:
Heart Attack (a.k.a cardiac arrest)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/25/AR2009062503127.html
Cardiac Arrest
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-_n_221104.html
You are actually wrong. Cardiac arrest and heart attack are two different things. Cardiac arrest is what everyone will experience. When you die, regardless of what it is from, you are in cardiac arrest. So someone who dies from organ failure, a gun shot, a car accident, suffocating, drowning, etc, they ALL go into cardiac arrest. You can go into cardiac arrest as the result of a heart attack, but not the other way around.
A heart attack is when a vessel is the heart becomes blocked (usually from atherosclerosis) and it causes part of the heart tissue to die. Some people can have heart attacks and never even know because it was so minute. Depending on where the heart attack is and many other factors, the patient could die very quickly. (Like in the movies when they grasp their chest and drop dead. It really can and does happen).
Cardiac arrest is cessation of the heart beating. So literally everyone who dies is in cardiac arrest. When the newspapers post "he died of cardiac arrest", that's about as broad as you can get. You're looking at WHY they went into cardiac arrest. It's a pet peeve of mine 1) when newspapers post that someone died of a heart attack when it had nothing to do with the heart or 2) they say someone died of a cardiac arrest... because EVERYONE who dies is in cardiac arrest.
Does that make sense?
Thanks for clearing that up for me. So why didn't they just say he died instead of getting all fancy with the wording? Were they trying to confuse the public or something? Cause I've been going around thinking that the official story was that he had a heart attack, which didn't make any sense to me...Are you in the medical profession? Cause I've noticed the 'medic' in your username. If so...What's up doc?! Glad to have your expertise. :D
Haha, I'm just a paramedic. And the news always does that. Like you, many people do not realize the difference between a heart attack and cardiac arrest. I suppose they just assume they both have something to do with the heart, so they're one in the same. I see it ALL the time in the news. Headlines say "...dies of cardiac arrest" - duh!! It's unfortunately common and doesn't help the public learn the difference. :)
LOL...Yeah, it doesn't help at all, especially when they are throwing around the word heart attack when there not the same. Thanks again.