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The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 01:25:05 PM


I posted this as a comment in the TIAI update #6, but it was kinda ignored, so that's why I gave it it's own thread, because I would like to know your thoughts on it. This article from TMZ has bugged me for months:


Michael Jackson's Body -- Hold the Plastic
Originally posted Jun 27th 2009 8:21 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

While it may seem like the kind of thing Michael Jackson would do, reports that the late singer made plans to have himself "plastinated" and put on display are exaggerated.



The director of publicity for Dr. Gunther von Hagens tells TMZ someone claiming to be from Jackson's management team did contact BODY WORLDS several months ago about Jackson's interest in being preserved in plastic.

But, she says, "We can further confirm that Mr. Jackson is not now a registered body donor in the Institute for Plastination's Body Donation Program."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/27/michael-j ... e-plastic/


What if Mike contacted Body Worlds for a body? I can imagine that someone who would donate his body to Gunther, would also be willing to play a dead Michael Jackson before he would be plastified by Gunther von Hagen. A sick old frail man that knew he was going to die, wanted his body plastified and also got the chance to participate in this hoax. It's possible he commited (assistent) suicide on or shortly before June 25.

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Body Donation for Plastination

All anatomical specimens on display in the BODY WORLDS exhibitions are authentic. They belonged to people who declared during their lifetime that their bodies should be made available after their deaths for the qualification of physicians and the instruction of laypersons. Many donors underscore that by donating their body, they want to be useful to others even after their death. Their selfless donations allow us to gain unique insights into human bodies, which have thus far been reserved for physicians at best. Therefore, we wish to thank the living and deceased body donors.
http://www.bodyworlds.com

There is also still that German name that was on the label of the hospital blood tube; Trauma, Gerschwin.[/color]
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 01:43:27 PM
remember that at one point someone say that he not need to be embalsamed because all the plastic surgeries... like he was perfect evena after two months??? :roll:
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 02:01:22 PM
this is very interesting

the news about MJ interested in "plastination" were already on Insider in April 2009

http://www.theinsider.com/news/2018248_ ... rtalized...

michael jackson wants to be immortalized...
...in plastic! good morning - and yes you heard me right - the former king of pop michael jackson is rumored to be interested in having his body donated to dr. gunther von hagens - who is in charge of that whole creepy & disturbing body worlds exhibit - apparently mr. jackson wants to be plastinated after his death and put on display for the whole world to see! it turns out that during his attempted comeback shows in london - the eerie exhibit will still be on display at the O2 arena - the same place mr. jackson happens to be playing! we all know he's a bit on the eccentric side but this seems way out of control! but at this point - we know when it comes to michael jackson to expect the unexpected - this would just be the final (everlasting) chapter in his very bizarre life (maybe he should get his nose plastinated now so it doesn't fall off!) popbytes over & out for now ... xoxo
A source said: "Michael has always been fascinated by new technologies which allow humans to cheat ageing, death and decomposition. Dr Von Hagens has found a way to avoid the last of these and Michael naturally regards it as one of the major scientific breakthroughs in recent history. He's definitely up for undergoing the procedure when the time comes. He's also convinced there is an uncanny affinity between the two men - both are regarded as eccentrics, both are famous for wearing fedoras and both are at the O2 at the same time."
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 02:21:19 PM
So the theory here would be that they managed to get a male body, with Michael's physical features and age. The body also had Vitiligo, the same tatoos, scars and signs of Arthritis in the same joints of the same fingers as Michael. That person had the same wood beads Michael had, that left these marks in his lower back...

The body they performed that report didn't have any terminal disease. He was not going to die because of natural causes any time soon.

I'm sure it's not like you go ask for a body, and they give it to you.
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 02:25:02 PM
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So the theory here would be that they managed to get a male body, with Michael's physical features and age. The body also had Vitiligo, the same tatoos, scars and signs of Arthritis in the same joints of the same fingers as Michael. That person had the same wood beads Michael had, that left these marks in his lower back...

The body they performed that report didn't have any terminal disease. He was not going to die because of natural causes any time soon.

I'm sure it's not like you go ask for a body, and they give it to you.

The autopsy report is a fake, remember? The real autopsy report must carry the name of the real person who died. If someone has donated his body for this, I don't see the problem.
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 02:36:08 PM
I´ve read about this some time ago.
What makes me wonder is... it could be any body, couldn´t it? When the body is plastinated, skin (like vitiligo) or something like that can´t be seen anymore.
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 02:55:11 PM
This is possible especially with this being leaked after we got to know that Lady Gaga was supposed to tour with Michael

viewtopic.php?f=49&t=11550

Lady Gaga to perform with corpses on stage

LONDON: Pop artist Lady Gaga plans to perform along with dead bodies in her upcoming concerts.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 085321.cms

The 24-year-old singer made a mark with her debut album, 'The Fame' and since then has always tried to come up with something eccentrically new.

German anatomist and creator of Body Worlds, Gunther Von Hagens, who is well known for depicting preserved human corpses in various poses, has fascinated Gaga this time, The Sun online reported.

Gaga's new vision for her upcoming concert is inspired from the life-story and works of Hagens.

"She is fascinated by Gunther's work and life and he has the kind of past she is drawn to. Gaga sees a kindred spirit and is hoping to meet him in New York," a source told newspaper.

Amidst these future plans, Gaga startled the onlookers at New York strip joint HeadQuarters on Monday, by giving a lap dance to her current boyfriend Matt Williams.

The audiences were left aghast at the barely dressed appearance of the pop-artist.
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 03:18:34 PM
Remember how the body changed from round to flat in the helicopter between leaving UCLA and arriving at the coroner. (Thome Thome was in the heli.)

[youtube:14cjb3nt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jModUKEKww[/youtube:14cjb3nt]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jModUKEKww

[youtube:14cjb3nt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPvDlZlDUvo[/youtube:14cjb3nt]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPvDlZlDUvo

Here's the UCLA body donation program
http://http://donatedbodyprogram.ucla.edu/body.cfm?id=23

So they may well have changed the body in the heli. There were 2 stretchers inside - one visible from the door and one on the other side not visible.

Interestingly there is some more speculations as to van Hagens, London and O2 in March 2009:
" 03/18/2009
 
Star Considering 'Body Worlds' Treatment
Michael Jackson Wants to Be Plastinated

According to media reports, Michael Jackson is considering having his body "plastinated" by Body Worlds founder Gunther von Hagens. The controversial doctor says he could give the wacky pop star "the gift of immortality."

In the music video for his 1983 hit "Thriller," Michael Jackson famously appears as a zombie. Now the eccentric music star could join the ranks of the undead for real: According to media reports, he is considering having his body posthumously preserved by plastination pioneer Gunther von Hagens.

The British tabloid the Daily Star reported that Michael Jackson was planning to have his body "plastinated" by von Hagens, who has himself achieved considerable fame through his successful -- and highly controversial -- "Body Worlds" exhibitions. The paper quoted a source close to the pop star as saying that the singer was "definitely up for undergoing the procedure when the time comes."

In an interview published in the Wednesday edition of the mass circulation German daily Bild, von Hagens lent weight to the report. "I am not allowed to divulge the names of the people who donate their bodies to me due to patient-doctor confidentiality," said the doctor, who shares the pop star's fondness for black hats. "I will only say this -- one of Michael's Jackson's employees has made contact with us."

Von Hagens said that his patented plastination process could continue the process of reshaping Jackson's body that the self-styled King of Pop has pursued through multiple plastic surgery operations. "I could give Michael the gift of physical immortality -- he has already achieved this with his music." Bild speculated that Jackson's nose, which has famously received a series of surgical interventions, was already plastinated enough to not require any further work.

The Plastination inventor offered to show Jackson around his Body Worlds show which will be on at London's O2 arena at the same time as Jackson's recently announced comeback concert series, which begins in July. "I would happily walk Mr. Jackson through my exhibition," von Hagens told the newspaper. "We could talk about a possible pose for him as a plastinate."

Von Hagens' Body Worlds exhibitions show bodies which have been given to his Institute for Plastination by donors who signed up for the process while they were alive and have been visited by more than 26 million people to date, according to the Body Worlds Web site.
dgs"
http://http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,614006,00.html

I don't think Hagens is the direct link, I think UCLA is key.
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 04:04:20 PM
Well, I simply can not bring myself to believe such trash. This theory is way out there.
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 04:16:20 PM
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Well, I simply can not bring myself to believe such trash. This theory is way out there.

So come up with your own. How did Mike get the body if we assume there was one?
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 04:35:18 PM
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Well, I simply can not bring myself to believe such trash. This theory is way out there.

So come up with your own. How did Mike get the body if we assume there was one?

Souza...Im not saying you came up with this trash because you posted it, im saying I cant believe any article that talks about being turned into plastic. Its just crazy in my opinion, therefore my criticism is about the procedure, not about you nor your posting. I share your intrest in MJ of course.
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 05:12:26 PM
If there is any truth to the story that MIchael seriously contacted this Doctor..I am the more afraid, that Michael may have been told that he does not have long to live. Due...something wrong with him on his brain.

Please don't shoot the messenger, poor me, I am just going by me vivid vision that Michael was due to undergo brain surgery.
I have stated , that , I hope to God , I am wrong , and it was just a nightmare of sorts, but, If he indeed do the contacting, that could very well be the reason why, and also, the reason for his HOaxing his death, before the time comes to set everything straight, including his finances and clearing his name for his legacy...and so on.
Otherwise...the theory,seems far fetched and too elaborate to me for him to need to do that , to hoax his death.
 I mean,if it is reported that MIke is dead , just like it was by all media,it would be enough for most of the world, and it begs the question, what contribution would a  plastination on a fake body do..except, maybe for all to continue to believe that is Michael Jackson's body,If Michael never comes back to say otherwise. Just my opinion.
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 05:14:28 PM
Brain? His brain was not damaged where did you get that from?
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 05:29:35 PM
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So the theory here would be that they managed to get a male body, with Michael's physical features and age. The body also had Vitiligo, the same tatoos, scars and signs of Arthritis in the same joints of the same fingers as Michael. That person had the same wood beads Michael had, that left these marks in his lower back...

The body they performed that report didn't have any terminal disease. He was not going to die because of natural causes any time soon.

I'm sure it's not like you go ask for a body, and they give it to you.

The autopsy report is a fake, remember? The real autopsy report must carry the name of the real person who died. If someone has donated his body for this, I don't see the problem.

ok honestly, if theres a possibility of the report being fake which it is, why cant the info on it be made up to match mj's in some way or not?? this isnt an official report so maybe whoever wrote it tried to put in points so it becomes more believable.
if i wanted to make up a report for myself, why wouldnt i write stuff i know about me even if its not my body?? making sense??
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 05:30:25 PM
and honestly, making stuff up is more probable and easy than finding a matching body in my opinion.
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 05:32:10 PM
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and honestly, making stuff up is more probable and easy than finding a matching body in my opinion.

In that case more people should be in on it. Possible, but not likely.
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 05:39:10 PM
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and honestly, making stuff up is more probable and easy than finding a matching body in my opinion.

In that case more people should be in on it. Possible, but not likely.


how would making up a report include more people?? who really released this report?? whoever worked on the 'autopsy' could have just been sitting on a desk and typin this up behind closed doors. lol
we all know this report isnt official coz a lot of info is missing (according to some who debunked it) and many things match and dont match Mj (according to people who debunked it again). we talked about that in this forum
i'ts just a thought coz imagine trying to find a body with similar features ?? i'm not sayin its impossible, i'm just sayin maybe we are paying too much attention to the wrong detail of the clue. maybe it was just made up. :) they knew that no one gonna re-chk the body to prove the points on the autopsy wrong.
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 09:42:04 PM
Yes, I do not think that is rubbish, we must remember that the paramedics said they arrived at the house of Michael did not recognize that what they saw was an old man.
Follow this link look at the news of TMZ, attorney Brian Oxman said Michael Murray supply polypharmacy (multiple medications).

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=11366


If you look at google which is polypharmacy, you will see that in most cases it refers to older people. According to the World Health Organization, the term polypharmacy is to consume more than 3 medicamnetos at a time, secondary reactions occur in the elderly aged 65 and 70.

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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 09:56:47 PM
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Yes, I do not think that is rubbish, we must remember that the paramedics said they arrived at the house of Michael did not recognize that what they saw was an old man.
Follow this link look at the news of TMZ, attorney Brian Oxman said Michael Murray supply polypharmacy (multiple medications).

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=11366


If you look at google which is polypharmacy, you will see that in most cases it refers to older people. According to the World Health Organization, the term polypharmacy is to consume more than 3 medicamnetos at a time, secondary reactions occur in the elderly aged 65 and 70.


very interesting!!
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 10:03:43 PM
didn't he have people find a liver for the little boy . why would  it would be so hard to find someone who was near death .this has got to end soon or i really am gonna need that jacket.
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Re: The body

  • on: June 28, 2010, 11:31:31 PM
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didn't he have people find a liver for the little boy . why would  it would be so hard to find someone who was near death .this has got to end soon or i really am gonna need that jacket.

it probably wasnt hard to find a dying old man but  the odds of finding an old man with similar things wrongs with his body as mj's :S
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Re: The body

  • on: June 29, 2010, 12:00:33 AM
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and honestly, making stuff up is more probable and easy than finding a matching body in my opinion.

In that case more people should be in on it. Possible, but not likely.

So, my question is: To whom did they want to fool with that body, if they were going to make up the Report anyway? The Paramedics? The doctors at UCLA?
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Re: The body

  • on: June 29, 2010, 01:23:04 AM
What if the real focus was on the burial and all other elements before and after were just ornament to underline (more or less) the "so said"?

What if the king's burial was meant to honor a complete other person (that was officially not living anymore or not officially important enough to receive such a burial - but important to MJ)?

Who is Daddy and in his 70s in 2009?
A love Grand-Daddy? Elvis?

Just asking.
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Re: The body

  • on: June 29, 2010, 01:56:42 AM
Here's one scenario that can be a possibilty.
They needed a body to prove a death. Who cares who's body it would be when they weren't planning on giving the details or showing it. And then they created this autopsy report and gave some details to prove it was MJ.. That's all

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and honestly, making stuff up is more probable and easy than finding a matching body in my opinion.

In that case more people should be in on it. Possible, but not likely.

So, my question is: To whom did they want to fool with that body, if they were going to make up the Report anyway? The Paramedics? The doctors at UCLA?
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Re: The body

  • on: June 29, 2010, 01:59:34 AM
See topic:
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=10537

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