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[MissG]

But you are assuming that MJ had DID, and that patients with DID gets worst with therapy before the alters emerged.

The change in behavior and appearance between 2000 and 2004 is not that strange

Meaning? strange from which perspective? the psychological one points more towards dismorphia, not DID.

[~Souza~]

But you are assuming that MJ had DID, and that patients with DID gets worst with therapy before the alters emerged.

The change in behavior and appearance between 2000 and 2004 is not that strange

Meaning? strange from which perspective? the psychological one points more towards dismorphia, not DID.

I'm sorry, but dysmorphia does not have different personalities or time loss as a result. It's like anorexia or boulimia, where the patient is never pleased with the way he looks. These patients will change in mood and in appearance, but will not show multiple personalities.

I am assuming that MJ has DID, because it makes the most sense looking at his past, medical issuess, behavior etc. He might have had a form of dysmorphia as well, I don't know, but that doesn't explain the different personalities.

[Jude]

I want to know where and when the brothers made the statement that Mike was schizophrnic, it's obvious that something was off, and souza some of that research was earily true, like the change in signatures, the change in voice pitch, etc. it's all there.

I think we've hit the nail on the head, and that there is way more to it to be learnt.

[Glinda]

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[MissG]

But you are assuming that MJ had DID, and that patients with DID gets worst with therapy before the alters emerged.

The change in behavior and appearance between 2000 and 2004 is not that strange

Meaning? strange from which perspective? the psychological one points more towards dismorphia, not DID.

I'm sorry, but dysmorphia does not have different personalities or time loss as a result. It's like anorexia or boulimia, where the patient is never pleased with the way he looks. These patients will change in mood and in appearance, but will not show multiple personalities.

I am assuming that MJ has DID, because it makes the most sense looking at his past, medical issuess, behavior etc. He might have had a form of dysmorphia as well, I don't know, but that doesn't explain the different personalities.

The only time i saw a hint of "different personality" and also looks, was in the Bashir documentary and i emailed Mo or you (don´t remember) about that, but after watching a second time those footages, i can see that MJ was with his guard up the second time.

Another behaviour but not another personality clinically diagnosed as DID.

On the other hand, I understand the why of your point of view.

To be certain about labeling someone with a diagnose,  one must be face to face with the person subject of the discussion, interact for a while and determinate the man as the whole in order to approach a future diagnosis, if any. And have the proper studies, tools, experience and, of course, competence to do it.

[Aintnosunshine]

Okay, since we already went this far discussing MJ`s psychological / mental state I`d like to recommend to read the following books as well:

1. "The Secret - The Story of brilliant, beautiful, handicapped Michael Jackson" (Patricia Eddington, 2009) - a profound, insightful and - IMO - convincing analysis from a loving point of view; here is a website with comments    You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

2. "Backdoor to Neverland - Exposing the King of Pop`s secret mindsets" (Yves Gautier, 2010) - another profound analysis  and a website You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Both books are dealing with lots of facts and an overall respectful approach to his person / personaliy. Definitely worth reading (available on Amazon, with more comments on there).

What we should keep in mind is that there is absolutely NO person on this planet that ever experienced anything similar to such an extraordinary upbringing and life like MJ, so much a "public persona" and at the same time so extremely sheltered from the real world and so reclusive from early childhood on, i. e.  never ever any "regular" socialisation (like interaction with friends, at school, among peer groups) but every step, every move, every appearance so well documented over four decades - almost like public property.

MJ himself explaines it right to the point in his speech accepting the Grammy living legend award in 1993: "When you grow up in the eyes of the public you are automatically different."  Worth to watch again ...

[MissG]

I will start reading the 1st one. Thanks for the tip!

[CC]

I am assuming that MJ has DID, because it makes the most sense looking at his past, medical issuess, behavior etc. He might have had a form of dysmorphia as well, I don't know, but that doesn't explain the different personalities.

My uncle is PSYCHOLOGIST, I will ask him about DID. And I work with a girl, she and her family are evangelical Christians, his brother was diagnosed psychotic. They have great faith in God, pray constantly, the brother is improving, he is leaving the medication and reinserting socially and occupationally. we know that MJ has a lot of faith in God and we know he reads the Bible daily, could this be his searching in God support for his DID?

[*Mo*]

But you are assuming that MJ had DID, and that patients with DID gets worst with therapy before the alters emerged.

The change in behavior and appearance between 2000 and 2004 is not that strange

Meaning? strange from which perspective? the psychological one points more towards dismorphia, not DID.

I'm sorry, but dysmorphia does not have different personalities or time loss as a result. It's like anorexia or boulimia, where the patient is never pleased with the way he looks. These patients will change in mood and in appearance, but will not show multiple personalities.

I am assuming that MJ has DID, because it makes the most sense looking at his past, medical issuess, behavior etc. He might have had a form of dysmorphia as well, I don't know, but that doesn't explain the different personalities.

The only time i saw a hint of "different personality" and also looks, was in the Bashir documentary and i emailed Mo or you (don´t remember) about that, but after watching a second time those footages, i can see that MJ was with his guard up the second time.

Another behaviour but not another personality clinically diagnosed as DID.

On the other hand, I understand the why of your point of view.

To be certain about labeling someone with a diagnose,  one must be face to face with the person subject of the discussion, interact for a while and determinate the man as the whole in order to approach a future diagnosis, if any. And have the proper studies, tools, experience and, of course, competence to do it.

I'm sorry Gema, but ALL the signs for DID are right in front of your eyes.  Same goes for the signs of MK Ultra, which goes hand in hand with DID.  

Here's a video for you.  Start at 1:10.  Listen to what happens when Mike says the word "slave".  Look at what happens to him when the alarm goes off.  Look at his face...  He's triggered into another alter ego.

[youtube:1cl7nhvz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGigBvtr5IE[/youtube:1cl7nhvz]

[MissG]

I'm sorry Gema, but ALL the signs for DID are right in front of your eyes.  Same goes for the signs of MK Ultra, which goes hand in hand with DID.  

Here's a video for you.  Start at 1:10.  Listen to what happens when Mike says the word "slave".  Look at what happens to him when the alarm goes off.  Look at his face...  He's triggered into another alter ego.

I don´t see signs of DID in that video at all. MJ does not lose contact with him. He is MJ all the time, talks about the same subjects and reminds being MJ answering the questions.

If the alarm would be the trigger, another personality would surface. That did not happen.

I see the same face and the same Michael.

[*Mo*]

I'm sorry Gema, but ALL the signs for DID are right in front of your eyes.  Same goes for the signs of MK Ultra, which goes hand in hand with DID.  

Here's a video for you.  Start at 1:10.  Listen to what happens when Mike says the word "slave".  Look at what happens to him when the alarm goes off.  Look at his face...  He's triggered into another alter ego.

I don´t see signs of DID in that video at all. MJ does not lose contact with him. He is MJ all the time, talks about the same subjects and reminds being MJ answering the questions.

If the alarm would be the trigger, another personality would surface. That did not happen.

I see the same face and the same Michael.

Then again we agree to disagree, because I CLEARLY see what's happening right there.

[MissG]

could this be his searching in God support for his DID?

Do you mean that MJ search for god made him "lose it" or?

[Aintnosunshine]

Mo, did you read the books I mentioned above?

[Puff]

I'm sorry Gema, but ALL the signs for DID are right in front of your eyes.  Same goes for the signs of MK Ultra, which goes hand in hand with DID.  

Here's a video for you.  Start at 1:10.  Listen to what happens when Mike says the word "slave".  Look at what happens to him when the alarm goes off.  Look at his face...  He's triggered into another alter ego.

I don´t see signs of DID in that video at all. MJ does not lose contact with him. He is MJ all the time, talks about the same subjects and reminds being MJ answering the questions.

If the alarm would be the trigger, another personality would surface. That did not happen.

I see the same face and the same Michael.

I advise you to WATCH it again... carefully.... you didn't see anything or you just refused to see....?

[MissG]

I did not see DID, that´s for sure.