George Michael "Michael lost potential."

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George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 11, 2009, 11:45:35 AM
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 11, 2009, 12:28:02 PM
Who is George Michael to pass judgement on Michael like this? There was clearly nothing hampering Michaels creativity enough to prevent him from being the "King of Pop". At least our Michael didn't try to pick up individuals of the same gender for sex in a public toilet or roll and smoke a wacky baccy joint in his car in a public road in full sight. George is a has been whose days of fame are clearing in the history books. He knows nothing-is jealousy!
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 11, 2009, 12:36:01 PM
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Who is George Michael to pass judgement on Michael like this? There was clearly nothing hampering Michaels creativity enough to prevent him from being the "King of Pop". At least our Michael didn't try to pick up individuals of the same gender for sex in a public toilet or roll and smoke a wacky baccy joint in his car in a public road in full sight. George is a has been whose days of fame are clearing in the history books. He knows nothing-is jealousy!

LOL  :lol:
absolutely right.
this is coming from a guy who couldn't keep his hormones to himself & his privates in his pants in a public bathroom...
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 11, 2009, 12:37:30 PM
Puhleese.  Who is GM trying to kid?
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 11, 2009, 01:24:48 PM
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[Puhleese. Who is GM trying to kid?/quote]

He should just zip his lips and get his own life on a handle.
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 11, 2009, 06:36:45 PM
George Michael, really?  

Am I the only one who feels that MJ's music got better over the years?  Everybody talks about his early music and Thriller.  Although I like it all, I really think his music and lyrics only got better as he grew older.  Invincible and HIStory happen to be my favorite.  
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 11, 2009, 07:02:30 PM
That's the pot calling the kettle BLACK, IMO.  :roll:

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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 11, 2009, 07:08:26 PM
Michaels music got better  but gm is right about it being surreal though
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 11, 2009, 07:47:48 PM
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George Michael, really?  

Am I the only one who feels that MJ's music got better over the years?  Everybody talks about his early music and Thriller.  Although I like it all, I really think his music and lyrics only got better as he grew older.  Invincible and HIStory happen to be my favorite.  

I couldn't agree with you more! I mean, Invincible and HIStory are my favourite but together with the other ones too, lol, but indeed many of the songs in these two albums are amongst his best ever! GM is really talking nonsense. Not only did MJ got better and better with every new project (and not just in the creation process, but as a singer/performer too), every new album presented a complete new sound, style, and message, a brand new Michael Jackson every time -plus the one he already was! How many popular artists are able to reinvent themselves in this way? None, to my knowledge! If i didn't know who G Michael was, i would have never thought that he was a musician...because his words reveal an extreme ignorance as regards musical understanding!
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 11, 2009, 08:20:20 PM
I actually place some validity to GM's comments. Thriller was MJ's Mona Lisa. Every piece of work that Mj touched would forever be compared with that standard bearer. MJ would forever be competing with himself to top himself. Subsequent works  were good but never matched the greatness of Thriller.

The  litmus test is record sales and how the record buying public supports the finished product. To an ordinary performer the sales of Invincible would have been cause for celebration. To MJ, that was a disappointment hence the fallout and ongoing battle with SONY. During a 2002 Vibe magazine interview, MJ stated that he believed that the creativity on Invincible matched that of Thriller. However he saw the writing on the wall with the slower and lower record sales.

A perfectionist expects... at worst to match and ...at best to exceed... what has been done previously. MJ was faced with the inability to do either. Why it happened is a mystery. The fickle  taste of music fans may be one reason. The growing popularity of other competing musical genres is another to consider.

After Thriller MJ was no longer just a regular musician who could live life and make music. He was Mj  King of Pop  and a superstar. He had more distractions following  Thriller. Those distractions may or may not have contributed to his inability to raise his bar and move beyond Thriller's level of success.
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 12, 2009, 12:36:46 AM
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George Michael, really?  

Am I the only one who feels that MJ's music got better over the years?  Everybody talks about his early music and Thriller.  Although I like it all, I really think his music and lyrics only got better as he grew older.  Invincible and HIStory happen to be my favorite.  

Yes, yes. As Michael matured, so did his music & you could hear that. Thriller, yes...pure excitement, innocent type of love story. I love it, don't get me wrong. But albums like Invincible seriously put the cherry on top. Love (such as Butterflies, the amazing Whatever Happens), frustration on the media (such as Privacy), superiority (such as Threatened), family (such as You Are My Love)...that album was a masterpiece. it upsets me the album didn't get the attention it deserved because of Phony Sony. but it captured Michael's mentality as a person...not just any entertainer (like in Thriller).

i hope i worded everything out. please don't get the idea that Thriller isn't one of my favorites, because it is.
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 12, 2009, 01:16:30 AM
Having had the honor and blessing to come up in the Thriller phenomenon, I have to say that for me it was truly a magical experience - one that I have yet to encounter again! Thriller is an anomaly which has never and likely never will be matched. In my heart I feel this is GOD's work through our angel Michael. It propelled him to the very top and has solidified him as the King of MUSIC!!! But it's not just the music, it's the heart and soul behind it which is pure gold - THAT  is what makes the difference! Michael is able to spread his message of love all over the world like no other person and that began with the success of Thriller! No potential nor anything else was lost! I think you had to be there to know what exactly what I'm feeling! He is truly magical  :D
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 12, 2009, 01:35:33 AM
@Wilds:  I completely agree with you.  I was  9 years old when I was sitting at the dinner table watching MJ Moonwalk for the first time on Motown 25.  He was already a star and that night made him a phenomenon: A phenomenon that transcended and withstood the test of time.  GM couldn't manage to accomplish a fraction of this in the "sporadic" 10 year stretch that he should call "The Best Years of HIS Life" because he is pretty much NON-existent at this point.
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 12, 2009, 02:45:24 AM
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Having had the honor and blessing to come up in the Thriller phenomenon, I have to say that for me it was truly a magical experience - one that I have yet to encounter again! Thriller is an anomaly which has never and likely never will be matched.  

Yes, I agree...the word magical is the first thing that comes to my mind when I think of the Thriller era as well.  I feel so incredibly lucky to have been a kid during those years...it was an amazing time!!  As much as I love his other albums, I don't see how he could have ever topped the excitement and awe that Thriller inspired.  But that doesn't mean his talent faded by any stretch.  I'm not sure GM meant what he said to come across as negative as it did, he probably just meant that MJ hadn't put out an album in almost a decade because of all the crap he had to endure with his celebrity...at least that's how I took it.
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 12, 2009, 02:54:19 AM
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George Michael, really?  

Am I the only one who feels that MJ's music got better over the years?  Everybody talks about his early music and Thriller.  Although I like it all, I really think his music and lyrics only got better as he grew older.  Invincible and HIStory happen to be my favorite.  

I agree with you I deff LOVE his earlier works, but his more resent stuff I listin to more, I fill this is coming from him and his outlook on things in his life and life in general. I can't wait to hear the stuff that is on lock down. :D
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 12, 2009, 11:53:03 AM
I just wanted to add that anything Michael makes I love, I really do :D There are many songs on all of the albums from the Jackson 5 and on that I cherish <333 I discovered Off The Wall AFTER Thriller because I wasn't born when OTW was released but some of my all-time favs are from OTW. Thriller just put the mack-zap on me LOL!
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 12, 2009, 03:44:22 PM
i am a huge george michael fan aswell as michael...i dont think he lost potential, but because thriller was as huge as it was, michael was always wanting to raise the bar and do better again..

but with the internet came the record sales slowing and the internet determines sales....

personally, even though i do love all michael's work, one of my favourites is the invincible album...

and with that album coming after the charges against him and lack of promotion by sony....the sales would have been alot more..

i will say though....george michael did endure a 3 year messy court battle with sony also   :(

this goes off subject a bit, but mj 'died' on gm's birthday.....
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 12, 2009, 03:46:07 PM
Who is George Michael?? :lol:
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 12, 2009, 03:48:52 PM
I understand what he meant, but "lost potential" was not exactly the right way to express it.
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 12, 2009, 06:21:23 PM
Is he trying to get back in the spotlight? It seems to me he is the one who lost potential  :roll: I just read yesterday his friend Elton John released a statement saying he was very concerned about George Michael cos he admitted to use crack and cocaine, so he is not in the best position to talk about Michael I think  :roll:
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 12, 2009, 06:27:33 PM
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Who is George Michael to pass judgement on Michael like this? There was clearly nothing hampering Michaels creativity enough to prevent him from being the "King of Pop". At least our Michael didn't try to pick up individuals of the same gender for sex in a public toilet or roll and smoke a wacky baccy joint in his car in a public road in full sight. George is a has been whose days of fame are clearing in the history books. He knows nothing-is jealousy!

I think we ought to cut George Michael some slack.  He kept his sexuality secret for many years under pressure from the music industry...  this must have caused him a lot of emotional stress and the "public toilet" incident was a police entrapment procedure.  I think it was awful how he went through that public humiliation... and as MJ fans we know how the press potray and hound and humiliate people for entertainment.
Yes George has had drug issues, but so has MJ which he has admitted to himself.

Just wanted to say that we shouldnt judge,.. and as MJ said himself "dont believe what the press print"

George certainly shouldnt be judged for his homosexuality.  He was very brave to come out publicly and i applaud him for that.  I dont think his homosexuality should come into the argument.
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 12, 2009, 06:45:41 PM
I've always admired George Michael's voice and I can't believe he's already retired. He's too young.  Probably he didn't express himself properly about MJ.  Thriller was out of this world.  I remember how it was constantly played whenever you went shopping. But Michael Jackson has written so many other songs, including the ones on the Invincible album, which I just discovered and really liked.  The music industry has really changed.  Today I asked a high school student I was tutoring (here in Italy) who her favorite artist was. She thought a good minute and couldn't tell me--she said that she liked pop music, that's all.
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 12, 2009, 06:51:49 PM
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Who is George Michael to pass judgement on Michael like this? There was clearly nothing hampering Michaels creativity enough to prevent him from being the "King of Pop". At least our Michael didn't try to pick up individuals of the same gender for sex in a public toilet or roll and smoke a wacky baccy joint in his car in a public road in full sight. George is a has been whose days of fame are clearing in the history books. He knows nothing-is jealousy!

I think we ought to cut George Michael some slack.  He kept his sexuality secret for many years under pressure from the music industry...  this must have caused him a lot of emotional stress and the "public toilet" incident was a police entrapment procedure.  I think it was awful how he went through that public humiliation... and as MJ fans we know how the press potray and hound and humiliate people for entertainment.
Yes George has had drug issues, but so has MJ which he has admitted to himself.

Just wanted to say that we shouldnt judge,.. and as MJ said himself "dont believe what the press print" Cut him some slack? Sorry but to try to pick up a guy in a public place and to cut slack for it-well you know the old saying that if you give someone enough rope they will hang themselves with it! I have nothing against his sexuality at all, in fact two of my dearest friends are gay guys who live together. But they are very discreet and faithful and value thier principles. What I think people find sickening is the morals (or lack of them) as indeed our British actor Hugh Grant was publicly slammed for picking up a Lady (I use this term loosely) of a certain proffession, and what about President Clinton and Monica Lawinsky? It is not the sexuality that people object to but the morals of people who are very much in the public eye and should set an example to all youngsters. They are willing to spend and live a lavish lifestyle and live in extreme luxury and enjoy fame but they cannot even behave in a dignified way. His homosexuality has nothing to do with it-it would be equally disgusting if he tried touching up a female in this manner. Also I think the very brave were those who did not lie and publicly admitted they were gay when it was less accepted and was in fact a criminal offence, take Quentin Crisp for example, he stood up and changed the whole outlook on gay rights. Watch the true story of him starring John Hurt-it is so very moving. -Quentin Crisp is the sort who should be applauded. And he was a true gent who always behaved in an impeccable manner.[/color]

George certainly shouldnt be judged for his homosexuality.  He was very brave to come out publicly and i applaud him for that.  I dont think his homosexuality should come into the argument.
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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 12, 2009, 07:04:23 PM
So sorry guys but he's right musically mj was done! He conquered the music circuit what did he have left to prove? Believe me guys im defending mj because really mj is and will always wow people with his music from the 70's 80's 90's to invincible! I was in vegas and "the way you make me feel" with mike on the flat screens the crowd was crazy like he was there?>??> Michaels creativity moved on from music from the controlling and crappy music companies.. michael wanted to do movies because michael could do michael not michael could do sony or motown, george michael cant hold anything to mike...he's a hater and of course he gets attention from bashing michael when mj cant reply.

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Re: George Michael "Michael lost potential."

  • on: December 12, 2009, 08:21:12 PM
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I think we ought to cut George Michael some slack. He kept his sexuality secret for many years under pressure from the music industry... this must have caused him a lot of emotional stress and the "public toilet" incident was a police entrapment procedure. I think it was awful how he went through that public humiliation... and as MJ fans we know how the press potray and hound and humiliate people for entertainment.
Yes George has had drug issues, but so has MJ which he has admitted to himself.

Just wanted to say that we shouldnt judge,.. and as MJ said himself "dont believe what the press print"

George certainly shouldnt be judged for his homosexuality. He was very brave to come out publicly and i applaud him for that. I dont think his homosexuality should come into the argument.
not all of us mentioned anything on his homosexuality...? we talked about what he did, not whom he did.

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So sorry guys but he's right musically mj was done! He conquered the music circuit what did he have left to prove? Believe me guys im defending mj because really mj is and will always wow people with his music from the 70's 80's 90's to invincible! I was in vegas and "the way you make me feel" with mike on the flat screens the crowd was crazy like he was there?>??> Michaels creativity moved on from music from the controlling and crappy music companies.. michael wanted to do movies because michael could do michael not michael could do sony or motown, george michael cant hold anything to mike...he's a hater and of course he gets attention from bashing michael when mj cant reply.

beLIEve.

your statement seems contradictory...
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