Dr Ratner - Did he Administer Propofol During HIStory Tour?

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Check this video out.

Dr Neil Ratner, he supposedly gave MJ Propofol to MJ during the History Tour.

Notice how he dodges the question, but doesnt DENY it either.

Im sorry i cant put the video on here, cant embed it.. but click on this link to see it:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Mus ... nnSTCVideo
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how does that work when they go on tour. i mean is it solid time or is there a break in between.the reason i ask is because prince was born during that tour time. when debbie testified in the 2005 trial appartently when she was ask a question about something she turned to michael and asked something like what tours did we go on. (luna jo 67 wdhtmj # 42, 44 something like that). makes me wonder if the whole thing wasn't more about debbie and prince being there .of course i am delusional.
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"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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how does that work when they go on tour. i mean is it solid time or is there a break in between.the reason i ask is because prince was born during that tour time. when debbie testified in the 2005 trial appartently when she was ask a question about something she turned to michael and asked something like what tours did we go on. (luna jo 67 wdhtmj # 42, 44 something like that). makes me wonder if the whole thing wasn't more about debbie and prince being there .of course i am delusional.

There was a break during the HIStory tour:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIStory_Wo ... Tour_dates

January 3, 1997 Honolulu United States Aloha Stadium 35,000
January 4, 1997

This was the end of the first leg and then leg 2 started:

May 31, 1997
June 3, 1997
June 6, 1997
June 8, 1997
June 10, 1997  
June 13, 1997
June 15, 1997
June 18, 1997
June 20, 1997
June 22, 1997
June 25, 1997

So yes, there was a break when Prince was born.

Love you Michael!
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Not really the most reliable source. Mike denied this doc ever put him under.


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Doc crocked for 10 years Stoned even while in O.R.
BY GREG B. SMITH DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Friday, February 4th 2000, 2:12AM

An upper East Side doctor yesterday admitted he was stoned on illegal drugs for nearly a decade while administering anesthesia to patients.
Dr. Neil Ratner - who used to work with such rock acts as Pink Floyd and Peter Frampton before becoming a physician - made the stunning admission while testifying against a former colleague at an insurance fraud trial in Manhattan Federal Court.
"In retrospect, I was pretty stoned a lot of the times I was giving anesthesia," Ratner said, recalling how he once passed out during an operation after mistakenly injecting himself with a drug that causes temporary paralysis.
Ratner, 48, dressed in a conservative black suit, testified that he and prominent fertility specialist Dr. Niels Lauersen routinely lied on insurance forms to get coverage for treatments not covered by insurers. Ratner, who has pleaded guilty to insurance fraud, is cooperating with prosecutors.
But before he could help Assistant U.S. Attorney Christine Chung make her case, he admitted he'd been addicted to a variety of drugs while practicing medicine in the 1980s.
"There are very few drugs that I didn't do at one time or another," he said, sparking laughter from a courtroom audience that included many of Lauersen's patients.
Ratner - who earned his medical degree in Mexico - testified that in the 1970s he tried his hand managing such rock stars as Edgar Winter, Peter Frampton, and Emerson Lake and Palmer, and co-producing albums by Pink Floyd and Three Dog Night.
But his music industry work led to increased involvement in drugs. When he quit the music business in 1975, he didn't give up drugs.
"I started smoking marijuana, and it progressed from there to pills to cocaine, psychedelics," he said, recalling that he smoked pot and snorted coke daily during medical school.
When Ratner opened his own anesthesia practice, he dropped cocaine but continued with marijuana and LSD.
"But not in the office," he said. "That was a weekend sort of thing."
Soon, however, his addictions invaded his professional life. Ratner began ingesting pills and injecting narcotics, often writing for himself the kind of bulk prescriptions that only anesthesiologists are allowed to write.
Before long, he was stealing drugs from doctors' offices and replacing the narcotics with water. He said he sometimes used the watered-down drugs during operations, "compensating," he said, by "adjusting the levels" of anesthesia.
By 1989, he said, he was injecting himself with drugs "every few hours or so."
That May, during an operation, Ratner said, he was so high that he mistakenly injected himself with a syringe he thought had morphine but actually was filled with a paralyzing agent. "I ended up on the floor paralyzed and barely able to breathe," he said. "The people around were horrified. They thought I had a heart attack."
After that, Ratner said, he entered a rehabilitation program for doctors and told people he was going on vacation at an Arizona ranch.
Thirty days later, he was back practicing anesthesia at New York clinics, which he continues to do today. Ratner was never disciplined for his actions. State health officials said he has a spotless record.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/new ... s_sto.html

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STATE TO PROBE O.R.DOC
BY GREG B. SMITH DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Saturday, February 5th 2000, 2:12AM

The state health commissioner yesterday launched a probe into an upper East Side anesthesiologist who admitted being stoned during surgery for most of the 1980s.
Dr. Neil Ratner testified in a Manhattan insurance fraud case that his drug addiction got so bad he passed out during surgery after injecting himself with a paralytic substance in 1989.
"I was pretty stoned a lot of the time I was giving anesthesia," Ratner testified Thursday during the trial of his former colleague, prominent fertility expert Dr. Niels Lauersen.
After Ratner's testimony appeared in the Daily News yesterday, Commissioner Antonia Novello ordered a thorough investigation of why the state was never informed of Ratner's drug problems.
"We're going to take swift and decisive action," said spokesman John Signor. The investigation came as one of the three New York doctors who employs Ratner expressed shock at his drug history.
"He never mentioned a word to us," said Dr. Brad Jacobs, a Park Ave. plastic surgeon. "I will have to make a decision about his potential position here shortly . . . I don't want my patients to run away thinking, 'Oh, my God!' "
Jacobs said Ratner handled anesthesia on a case yesterday morning. When the operation was done, Ratner confessed his past to Jacobs.
Jacobs said he was extremely upset that there was no record with state health officials of Ratner's problem when he checked Ratner's background before contracting with him.
"There was no way of telling," he said. "I always check out everybody who works here."
During a plastic surgery operation at an upper East Side doctor's office in May 1989, at a time when Ratner said he was injecting himself with narcotics "every few hours," he mistakenly picked up a syringe filled with a paralytic agent.
He collapsed in the middle of the operation. Ratner testified that those present were "horrified," but they thought he was having a heart attack.
Ratner - who said he once managed rock stars such as Peter Frampton and Edgar Winter and co-produced a Pink Floyd album - pleaded guilty in May 1998 to insurance fraud and agreed to testify against Lauersen.

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CROCKED DOC WON'T SAY IF HE GAVE DRUGS TO JAX
BY GREG B. SMITH DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, February 9th 2000, 2:12AM

An upper East Side doctor who shot himself up with morphine while treating patients said yesterday that he was pop star Michael Jackson's tour doctor in 1997.
Dr. Neil Ratner, testifying yesterday in the insurance fraud trial of high-profile infertility expert Dr. Niels Lauersen, was evasive when asked if he had administered drugs to the Gloved One.
"Would you give Michael Jackson drugs?" Lauersen's demanded attorney, Theodore Wells.
"I'm not going to discuss a patient's personal medical condition," Ratner replied.
In a telephone interview from Los Angeles, Jackson's attorney, Brian Wolf, said the singer "denies that Dr. Ratner ever prescribed any inappropriate medications or treatments."
Wolf insisted that any medical treatment is confidential and said Ratner was correct not to disclose it.
Ratner, a 49-year-old ex-rock 'n' roll drummer and manager of Peter Frampton and Edgar Winter, has been on the stand for days, admitting he repeatedly took drugs while caring for patients during the 1980s.
In May 1989, he collapsed after shooting himself up with a paralytic agent during cosmetic surgery on the upper East Side.
Ratner, who still practices in Manhattan, pleaded guilty to insurance fraud and is cooperating with Manhattan U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White in the case against Lauersen in hopes of reducing his prison sentence.
Lauersen is accused of lying to insurers to make them pay for $2.2 million in infertility treatments the companies traditionally don't cover. Ratner was Lauersen's chief anesthesiologist for the past decade.
Ratner, who graduated from a medical school in Mexico and cut his ponytail two weeks before trial, said he traveled with Jackson as paid tour doctor during the African leg of the singer's 1997 world tour.
When Wells pressed Ratner about giving drugs to Jackson, prosecutor Christine Chung asked to discuss the matter outside the presence of the jury.
At Manhattan Federal Judge William Pauley's bench, Wells insisted that Ratner had, in fact, given Jackson unnamed drugs.
"I want to explore the implication, and I think what he is doing is illegal," Wells added.
But prosecutor Chung argued that the mention of Jackson was distracting jurors from the case at hand. Pauley warned Wells to avoid further references to the Gloved One.
During cross-examination, Ratner then repeatedly dodged Wells' questions about whether he administered drugs to anyone on the tour.
"In the course of performing your job as tour doctor, did you have occasion to administer narcotics to persons on the tour?" Wells asked.
Ratner: "No."
Wells: "Drugs?"
Ratner: "What is your definition of drugs?"
Wells fired back, "You're the anesthesiologist, you define it."
Pauley instructed the jury to ignore Wells' comment.

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souza : what were the circumstances of michael being ask if this doctor put him under, this case or something else?
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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souza : what were the circumstances of michael being ask if this doctor put him under, this case or something else?

This case. Actually, his attorney did:

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An upper East Side doctor who shot himself up with morphine while treating patients said yesterday that he was pop star Michael Jackson's tour doctor in 1997.
Dr. Neil Ratner, testifying yesterday in the insurance fraud trial of high-profile infertility expert Dr. Niels Lauersen, was evasive when asked if he had administered drugs to the Gloved One.
"Would you give Michael Jackson drugs?" Lauersen's demanded attorney, Theodore Wells.
"I'm not going to discuss a patient's personal medical condition," Ratner replied.
In a telephone interview from Los Angeles, Jackson's attorney, Brian Wolf, said the singer "denies that Dr. Ratner ever prescribed any inappropriate medications or treatments."
Wolf insisted that any medical treatment is confidential and said Ratner was correct not to disclose it.
He talks about inappropriate medications and treatment, I guess putting him under with Diprivan or Propofol to get sleep is inappropriate, since it doesn't make you sleep.  
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ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES

Michael Jackson Traveled with Mini Clinic; Debbie Rowe Might Seek Custody; Two Plane Crashes, One Survivor; Missing U.S. Service Member Believed Held in Pakistan

Aired July 2, 2009 - 23:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Tonight, a number of major developments in the Michael Jackson investigation to tell you about. Let's get started.

We're going to show you video we first obtained of Michael Jackson's last full rehearsal. As well as my interview with the men who saw him last the night before he died at the Staples Center.

Also, confirmation Debbie Rowe may fight for custody of two of Jackson's children. We'll have all the developments on that.

But we begin with potentially significant breaking news, news you'll only see here on 360. As you know a registered nurse who had worked for Jackson three months ago has claimed he asked her for a powerful intravenous sedative drug three months before his death.

Tonight, new information on Jackson's history with potent sleep drugs -- 360 M.D. Sanjay Gupta has been on the trail of a doctor who we've learned worked for Jackson on tour in the late 1990s, an anesthesiologist himself with a checkered medical past. Sanjay what have you learned?

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, I'll tell you. We know several things now. Sources close to Michael Jackson tell us that during the "History" tour back in '96 and '97 Jackson was actually traveling with what looked like a mini clinic, including an IV pole, drips and what looked like a rack with lights and monitors and such.

Sources who had the opportunity to see Jackson at various points during the tour say Jackson was traveling with at least two doctors and one of whom was anesthesiologist Dr. Neil Ratner.

Now, one source said he asked Ratner about all this elaborate equipment, and Ratner said he was there because Michael simply couldn't sleep. Now Ratner went on to say, according to the source, "I take him down at night" -- referring to Jackson -- "and I bring him back up in the morning."

Now, a source said Michael Jackson often appeared groggy. And when the source asked Jackson about all of this equipment, he just said he needed sleep. So, it was pretty remarkable, Anderson, to just hear that so clearly. COOPER: Well Sanjay, I mean, over the past couple of nights we've talked to each other about how dangerous powerful anesthetics can be. Do we know anything about precautions taken to protect Jackson on this tour?

GUPTA: Yes, we do. Sources say that Ratner would keep the equipment in his hotel room, which would be next to Jackson's. And he would use that for monitoring Jackson's vital signs when he was asleep, or under, as the source put it.

Now, there was a "Vanity Fair" article that said a former business associate of Jackson's said the singer had a quote, "sleep disorder," and then Ratner confirmed that to us today on the phone.

But I really want to talk to him some more, so we tracked him down, Anderson, today at the Woodstock, New York, where he now lives with his wife. Here's what he had to say.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUPTA (on camera): We've come here because your name was obviously associated with Michael Jackson. And people said that there was a question of whether or not you gave anesthesia to him while he was on tour. And we just wanted to come to the source, you, and hear and find out if that had happened.

DR. NEIL RATNER, FORMER PHYSICIAN OF MICHAEL JACKSON'S: I'm very upset. I'm distraught. Michael was a good person.

I can't talk about it right now. It's really something I don't want to talk about right now. I've lost a friend and I feel very badly about that.

GUPTA: There were two people, and I just want to allow you to respond to this. And you can or you don't have to. But I think it's important that you hear this. We have a couple of different sources have said they would see IV equipment, what sounded like probably pumps, they described as sort of an audio rack sort of looking thing in a hotel room with Michael. And they made it sound like that was your stuff. Are they wrong? I was really...

RATNER: I don't want to talk about this topic at all now. I really have nothing to say about it right now. You know? The man hasn't had a funeral, and the man hasn't been buried. It's inappropriate. I don't want to talk about it right now. And I appreciate it if we could end this now.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUPTA: So, who is Dr. Neil Ratner? Well, he's a board-certified doctor who, as we mentioned, served as one of Jackson's doctors on that "History" tour that spanned '96-'97; over 80 performances on that tour.

Now, Ratner was actually stripped of his medical license for three years back in 2002 after being found guilty of insurance fraud -- Anderson.

COOPER: So, back to the hotel rooms, the "History" tour. Did Ratner or your sources say anything about seeing -- there's been talk about this drug Diprivan or Propofol in the last couple days because of this registered nurse who said that Jackson asked her for that three months ago. And has the sources mention anything about that?

GUPTA: Well, there's no specific mention of those -- medication Propofol, also know as Diprivan, no specific medication. But it's worth noting that, now we're talking back in '97. At that time at least Propofol wasn't nearly as commonly used as it is today. But there weren't specific drugs mentioned, just that equipment -- Anderson.

COOPER: Is it odd to you as a medical doctor to have an anesthesiologist with somebody on a tour?

GUPTA: Completely odd. No question, very odd, and to have all that equipment as well. I've never heard of such a thing, to have that equipment outside some sort of medical setting. So you know, I'm hearing things that frankly I've never heard of before as a doctor.

COOPER: All right. Sanjay, obviously a lot still we don't know. And just to be clear, we do not know what, if any drugs, Michael Jackson was taking for insomnia or for any other reason. And we won't know until the toxicology reports are made public.

I talked with Jackson's concert promoter today, who told me at point blank the singer had passed a five-hour insurance physical with flying colors. That interview later on in this hour.

But I want to show you some of the last images ever recorded of Michael Jackson performing. This is Tuesday night, two days before he died; a full-length dress rehearsal for his upcoming show. Take a look.

(VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: The tape a very vivid reminder that no matter what information comes out in the next weeks or days or months even, that tape reminds us all, that this is a story about a man who died far too soon, a remarkable performer the world has lost.

We're going to show you the whole tape later on this hour.


We all know how many conflicting stories that we have had since June 25th and that seems to go along with stories from over a decade ago as well!!

With the grueling schedule that a concert does bring, I can't imagine anyone not needing 'something' to help them unwind especially when you are performing every other day or every two days.

Will you be there? Yes, Michael we will be here no matter what.

Love you Michael!
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I believe Dr. Ratner did put MJ under, however at least he was an anestelogist, so he knew what he was doing and he had all the right equiptment. I am not saying that it was right but he he was licensed .

Murray on the other hand did not know what he was doing and he killed MJ.
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I believe Dr. Ratner did put MJ under, however at least he was an anestelogist, so he knew what he was doing and he had all the right equiptment. I am not saying that it was right but he he was licensed .

Murray on the other hand did not know what he was doing and he killed MJ.

May I remind you that this is a hoax forum and that we firmly believe MJ is not dead? Therefore Murray didn't kill anyone.
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