in between lies some truth mj health issue

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in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 10:28:38 AM
sometimes back media spread a rumour that mj is getting blind in one eye bla bla but while recalling some of the list  of medicine and procedure dr arnold clamied to  run on mj just befrre the release of tii , includes a drug LATANOPLAST ??? its for a eye condition called GLUCOMA when patients complaints of blurring of vision , so there was some truth to rumor , but why would dr arnold prescribe to mj when he is not an eye specialist ??? i dont know

  his skin cancers skin discoloration has already been discussed in a post but  while browsing the net i found 6 causes leading to brwon nails my next to door neighbors is suffering from vitiligo and diabetes  and her nails are also brown but not as dark as mj if  he had skin cancer then its possible to predict his death in 6 months , and who knows if he actually called his children to made up his mind to be stronger ... who knows??

 3. jermain in lkl himself said he has never observed any odd behaviour  denying to know anything about mj taking any drugs but in his recent interview with jackson he said there is no guit of not doing to help him ( i dont remember exact words)
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 11:35:57 AM
Alas we may never know the extent of his health problems. I remember reading long before he "died" that he was suffering skin cancer but with all the rubbish I had read in the tabloids in the last few years I didn't know if to believe or not. I do know that it can be quite common with vitiligo and exposure to sun etc.  It would be very beneficial to our investigation to know just how unhealthy/healthy he was. As for the glaucoma, that doesn't surprise me as he did wear glasses for reading (didn't he look cute in them) but then most people's eyes deteriorate as they get older. I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 11:38:40 AM
hmm reading glasses were for a common aging process call presbyopia / far shightness  at  old age we cant read as far as other thing are concern its a mystery
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 11:45:16 AM
True or not, his pale white skin could have easily caused skincancer even if he protected himself with umbrellas on sunny days.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 11:47:53 AM
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I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?

If the concerts were never meant to take off and the movie was planned all along then maybe there never was a 5 hour medical test. It was Murray who ''did'' the test but Murray also ''murdered'' Michael.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 12:13:25 PM
I always wondered about Michael's discoloured fingernails.  He's had them for a long time, and at times they appeared darker than at other times.  Discolouration can occur for a multitude of underlying medical problems ranging from fungus to heart disease to cancer.  I seem to recall some fungus cream was found among the medication at MJ's house.  
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 12:45:21 PM
Or lack of nutrition. I always wondered about that too. He didn't eat that much, so he probably wasn't getting everything he needed.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 12:45:35 PM
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 his skin cancers skin discoloration has already been discussed in a post but  while browsing the net i found 6 causes leading to brwon nails my next to door neighbors is suffering from vitiligo and diabetes  and her nails are also brown but not as dark as mj if  he had skin cancer then its possible to predict his death in 6 months , and who knows if he actually called his children to made up his mind to be stronger ... who knows??


Going with what you said about diabetes...this has also crossed my mind. I remember the leaked autopsy said that Michael's body had numerous injection sites. Could this have been as a result of insulin injections? Yes, i know that the leaked info was probably BS but it set me thinking. Also i found a pic of Michael in court and it looks like he's wearing a medical braclet, similar to ones worn by diabetics.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
Very nice that you posted that. I never noticed that bracelet.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 01:29:41 PM
Just thought I'd add something here...

Neither skin cancer or diabetes are life-threatening conditions, if properly managed.  I know people that have had both conditions, and they are still ok.  If Mike has diabetes, I'm sure it would be properly managed.

I know Michael has a problem with his lungs, but I'm pretty sure his heart is ok - I haven't heard anything to the contrary - maybe someone can eloborate?

Also as people get older, they tend to get long-sighted. It hasn't happened to me yet, but I'm sure it's coming!  This would no doubt explain the glasses that Michael wears.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: "DontBelieveTheHype"
Quote from: "Harleyblonde"
I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?

If the concerts were never meant to take off and the movie was planned all along then maybe there never was a 5 hour medical test. It was Murray who ''did'' the test but Murray also ''murdered'' Michael.

Murray didn't conduct MJ's 5 hour medical exam. Dr. David Slavit did. He was hired by the insurance companies for the tour (Lloyds of London).
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 01:36:57 PM
Quote from: "DontBelieveTheHype"
Quote from: "Harleyblonde"
I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?

If the concerts were never meant to take off and the movie was planned all along then maybe there never was a 5 hour medical test. It was Murray who ''did'' the test but Murray also ''murdered'' Michael.


No not Murray who did the test Michael wanted Murrsy hired as his Personal Physician and wanted AEG to pay for it but he did not do the medical for the insurance company..
Dr. David Slavit performed the medical exam which was submitted to the insurers as part of their underwriting."

"AEG has never received a copy of Dr. Slavit's medical exam. A second medical examination was scheduled in the UK when the tour arrived. The policy was issued in a fictitious name."

BY the way the insurance company is now claiming the file is missing so they wont have to pay out!!!!
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 02:15:15 PM
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Leah-kim wrote:
"AEG has never received a copy of Dr. Slavit's medical exam. A second medical examination was scheduled in the UK when the tour arrived. The policy was issued in a fictitious name."

BY the way the insurance company is now claiming the file is missing so they wont have to pay out!!!
 
So this could just be a extremely convoluted insurance scam :shock: with Michael caught in the cross-fire due his apparent "debt". I truely believe the concerts were never going to take place. It's all a little too convenient that Michael "died" don't you think!
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 02:21:54 PM
I agree. Extremely too convenient :)
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 02:30:45 PM
Quote from: "Leah-Kim"

"AEG has never received a copy of Dr. Slavit's medical exam. A second medical examination was scheduled in the UK when the tour arrived. The policy was issued in a fictitious name."

AEG was never supposed to receive a copy of the medical exam. Medical records are confidential and legally could not be shared with AEG. Only the insurers need to know the results.

Quote from: "Leah-Kim"
BY the way the insurance company is now claiming the file is missing so they wont have to pay out!!

This was only reported in tabloids--not in any credible source that I've ever seen. Likely untrue.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 02:57:36 PM
The bracelet that Michael wore in the above picture can also be for allergies (I have one myself)
but I would like to add that individuals born with darker skin, generally have darker fingernails, my 15 year old brother has dark nails and he is a picture of health. The tone of Michael's skin will have made a large contrast to the skin beneath his nails, as the vitiligo doesn't affect that area. I hope I have made sense..
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 03:12:43 PM
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I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?

To be honest it would not matter to them wheter Michael was healty or not, as long as he offically passed the test but we have no idea of how legit it is. They are first thinking about the profit and money then other things. So passing the test is fixable...
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 03:47:32 PM
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Just thought I'd add something here...

Neither skin cancer or diabetes are life-threatening conditions, if properly managed.  I know people that have had both conditions, and they are still ok.  If Mike has diabetes, I'm sure it would be properly managed.

I know Michael has a problem with his lungs, but I'm pretty sure his heart is ok - I haven't heard anything to the contrary - maybe someone can eloborate?

Also as people get older, they tend to get long-sighted. It hasn't happened to me yet, but I'm sure it's coming!  This would no doubt explain the glasses that Michael wears.

There are some types of skin cancer that is VERY life threatening because it is aggressive and spreads rapidly.  The skin being the largest organ of the body is susceptible to all kinds of latent infections etc once affected, and a person with an underlying skin condition that was as aggressive as Michael's vitiligo could possibly be twice as likely to be adversely affected.  That is why it is very important to catch skin cancer when it is at its very earliest stage, like a tiny speck or a mole.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 03:47:45 PM
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Quote from: "Harleyblonde"
I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?

To be honest it would not matter to them wheter Michael was healty or not, as long as he offically passed the test but we have no idea of how legit it is. They are first thinking about the profit and money then other things. So passing the test is fixable...

Are you talking about AEG or Lloyds?
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 03:54:51 PM
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The tone of Michael's skin will have made a large contrast to the skin beneath his nails, as the vitiligo doesn't affect that area. I hope I have made sense..

Yes you made sense, but it's more than just a contrast if you look at photos.. there's something going on with that, more than just a darker color, from skin tone. I made a thread about his hands/nails on the old forum, with photos, but I can't access it now. Maybe it would've helped.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 04:13:50 PM
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The bracelet that Michael wore in the above picture can also be for allergies (I have one myself)
but I would like to add that individuals born with darker skin, generally have darker fingernails, my 15 year old brother has dark nails and he is a picture of health. The tone of Michael's skin will have made a large contrast to the skin beneath his nails, as the vitiligo doesn't affect that area. I hope I have made sense..

The use of bleaching creams that contain hydroquinone can cause enzymatic changes in the nail bed. When under the nail bed hydroqunione is oxidised and the products cause this area to become hyperpigmented - discoloration worsens with exposure to light. It is likey that Michael may have used a hydroquinone based cream as part of the treatment of his vertiligo.

It is true that the nail bed of darker skinned individuals maybe more pigmented than those with lighter skin. My nail beds are not pigmented and I am of African origin - it's  something that clearly differs from person to person.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 04:54:40 PM
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I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?

To be honest it would not matter to them wheter Michael was healty or not, as long as he offically passed the test but we have no idea of how legit it is. They are first thinking about the profit and money then other things. So passing the test is fixable...

Are you talking about AEG or Lloyds?
Im talking about the medical test he had to endure to be able to do the 50 concerts, so AEG.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 04:55:31 PM
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The bracelet that Michael wore in the above picture can also be for allergies (I have one myself)
but I would like to add that individuals born with darker skin, generally have darker fingernails, my 15 year old brother has dark nails and he is a picture of health. The tone of Michael's skin will have made a large contrast to the skin beneath his nails, as the vitiligo doesn't affect that area. I hope I have made sense..

The use of bleaching creams that contain hydroquinone can cause enzymatic changes in the nail bed. When under the nail bed hydroqunione is oxidised and the products cause this area to become hyperpigmented - discoloration worsens with exposure to light. It is likey that Michael may have used a hydroquinone based cream as part of the treatment of his vertiligo.

It is true that the nail bed of darker skinned individuals maybe more pigmented than those with lighter skin. My nail beds are not pigmented and I am of African origin - it's  something that clearly differs from person to person.

Thanks for this post, it is quite informative. Im sure that his use of these products is highly likely (I recognize the names from an old thread on mjkit) so this makes sense.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue

  • on: December 12, 2009, 05:06:58 PM
This is a similar thread, it mentions the effects of Lupus in regard to the darkening of nails:
http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1330
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