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Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 12, 2009, 11:27:36 PM

I gotta ask something and I can't seem to find anywhere if this has been discussed. The ambulance photo has always bothered me because of the furrowed brow...how can someone in a coma, unconscious or dead "furrow" their brow? Anyway, that's been discussed. My question is about the reflection in the glass. There's all kinds of things in the reflection (car, trees, etc.) We see that the picture was taken pretty close up, right? The photographer was directly outside the window, right? Then why is HIS reflection not blocking the reflection of the red car, the trees, etc? Where is the photographer's reflection?? Even if it was taken off to the side we'd see something, an arm, a shoulder...something. I see "MJ" and 2 paramedics inside the ambulance, but no one outside...or am I just missing it?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 10:09:29 AM
I have to watch the video's and pictures again, where you can see the position from the pap.
The height of the ambulance window bothers me, to me it's not possible to see the reflection from the car/ground etc at that height.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 10:28:16 AM
with the photo i was thinking the photgrapher had to reach to the window, so it would have been just a random shot of anything inside the ambulance...?      :?


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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 11:55:22 AM
yes, but even if he had to "reach" you still would have seen the reflection of the camera, his arms...some part of the photographer.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 12:18:13 PM
Great point, if I remember right he did lift his arms up with the camera to take the photo so there would be his arms in the reflection at the very least. There would HAVE to be when you think about it.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 01:00:58 PM
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Great point, if I remember right he did lift his arms up with the camera to take the photo so there would be his arms in the reflection at the very least. There would HAVE to be when you think about it.

EXACTLY!
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 01:10:18 PM
can u crop yourself out of photos?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 01:19:31 PM
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can u crop yourself out of photos?
I don't think so not in a reflection. And why would he want to do this with his arms etc and leave the other stuff in-he would have got rid of all reflections if this is at all possible.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 01:21:54 PM
didnt he just point the camera and shoot? that car couldnt  of been in that pic... :shock:
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 01:25:30 PM
SOMEONE SAIS SOMETHING ABOUT THE BUDGET THAT THIS PARAMEDICS HAVE IN THE T-SHIRT, SOMETHING THAT THERE NO ACTUAL OR TRUE BADGETS OF THE LAFD, LAPD OR ANY BODY ELSE... :roll:
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 02:35:08 PM
also idk if this has been said or not!!!....but its almost like they dont want us 2 see wats going on under mj because the BIG reflection of the red car and wasnt is shade in the area where they were backing up from the driveway thingy?? so y so bright of a reflection and the bright ground reflections???? :?:  :?:  :?:
i wonder wats going on here maybe a fake set??!!!!!!!! :lol:  :lol:  :roll: idk jus bouncing off ideas here!!
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 04:03:36 PM
This reflection of the car really doesn't add up!! This is disturbing me from day one!!

I wonder if it's possible to make the car disappear off that photo with photoshop to see the original?? Just askin cause I'm not that specialist with this program
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 04:06:47 PM
have you guys ever noticed the creepy faces in the back ground.. i'm not sure how to cirlce them but i'll try!! give me a min..
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 04:13:32 PM
hope this works.. can you see them
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 04:38:07 PM
Ok, that's it..it's official...I've gone insane!  I don't really see the face on the right, but the one on the left looks like MJ with his eyes closed...I seriously need to get off this site! I'm seeing things!
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 05:12:32 PM
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Ok, that's it..it's official...I've gone insane!  I don't really see the face on the right, but the one on the left looks like MJ with his eyes closed...I seriously need to get off this site! I'm seeing things!
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Add me to the insane list, my fellow Southerner!  I can barely make out the face in the right-hand photo but the one on the left is, without a doubt, MJ!!
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 05:14:58 PM
its not so much a face on the right but somet creepy.. i'll try to circle it better!! 1 min.. :)
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 05:20:23 PM
here!!
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 05:25:44 PM
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 05:31:23 PM
sorry guys, i don´t see faces! left one looks like patterns oder something, right with much imagination like a cat face.  :D  but tell me why should there be faces, especially MJs? like the clouds on the car where you can see his face? or in some shadows?
Let´s go back to the point why we can´t see the photographer or the camera.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 05:42:14 PM
Yeah, if u see the car which is ON THE GROUND, u GOTTA see the photog too! He couldnt take that pic from the roof of the ambulance LOL
Come on guys, its pretty clear that this pic is fake!

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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 10:10:59 PM
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Ok, that's it..it's official...I've gone insane!  I don't really see the face on the right, but the one on the left looks like MJ with his eyes closed...I seriously need to get off this site! I'm seeing things!
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Add me to the insane list, my fellow Southerner!  I can barely make out the face in the right-hand photo but the one on the left is, without a doubt, MJ!!

add me too :!:  :roll:
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 10:29:41 PM
I can clearly see the faces!!!!!  and the one on the left sure looks like MJ.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 10:31:11 PM
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I have to watch the video's and pictures again, where you can see the position from the pap.
The height of the ambulance window bothers me, to me it's not possible to see the reflection from the car/ground etc at that height.


I had brought that up in the old forum.  As I recall, the red car wasn't all that close anyway.  But in the pic you can see very detail of it quite clearly.
Doesn't add up to me.

As for the circled face on the right it almost looks like another MJ is there (only a smaller version ).  Must be like a double exposure.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 10:34:37 PM
The windows on the ambulance is up pretty high.  There is no way you would be able to see that red car.  You can even see part of the wheel. ;)
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 10:51:24 PM
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SOMEONE SAIS SOMETHING ABOUT THE BUDGET THAT THIS PARAMEDICS HAVE IN THE T-SHIRT, SOMETHING THAT THERE NO ACTUAL OR TRUE BADGETS OF THE LAFD, LAPD OR ANY BODY ELSE... :roll:

I've found the badge....

for you look like was the same? :?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 13, 2009, 11:16:18 PM
Was The window that wide anyway?seems huge with these images..hmm
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 14, 2009, 01:33:17 PM
Maybe I'm going crazy, but I see a third face:
[attachment=0:sn0z7pi6]ambulancepicture[1].jpg[/attachment:sn0z7pi6]
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 14, 2009, 01:40:12 PM
i think we should at least see the reflexion of the camera there :? but nothing...still we see the red car...hmmm
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 14, 2009, 01:43:13 PM
Exactly that part of the whole story is what makes me doubt of his dead.

The person on the ambu is not the late Mike, he is thiner now, and the skin colour of this person is darker: To me it is Mike 20 years ago.

 PHOTOSHOPED. And olny one picture, ONE SINGLE picture of him??????????????? It is simply crazy  :?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 14, 2009, 01:43:38 PM
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Maybe I'm going crazy, but I see a third face:
[attachment=0:2yd95e1e]ambulancepicture[1].jpg[/attachment:2yd95e1e]

Nope.... It looks like him from the 2005 trial case... Hes wearing sunglasses, looks down on the ground and the only thing we need is his umbrealla....
It's funny we can see his face in the photographers flashlight  :)
I can only see 2 faces
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 14, 2009, 02:06:23 PM
I only see one face, in the red on the left....  :?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 14, 2009, 02:35:52 PM
WHAT COULD MEAN THAT HE IS SLEEPING ON THE RED CAR? IDK HOW TO SAY IT....  :roll:
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 15, 2009, 02:03:42 AM
Is it possible to make more clear the face on the right and the face in the yellow circle? Because I really can't see them.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 15, 2009, 03:27:36 AM
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Exactly that part of the whole story is what makes me doubt of his dead.

The person on the ambu is not the late Mike, he is thiner now, and the skin colour of this person is darker: To me it is Mike 20 years ago.

 PHOTOSHOPED. And olny one picture, ONE SINGLE picture of him??????????????? It is simply crazy  :?

If you remember there was a similar picture in Moonwalker. Just try to check this .
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 15, 2009, 09:38:59 AM
i''ve tried to find pics that might have been used to create the ambulance pic.

i've also noticed how oldfashion the interior of the ambulance looks (now i know most ambulances are diferent inside, but it really look old.. look at this other ambulance pic for comp)

someone aked why you cant se the photographer  but everythingelse outside the ambulance... why this is i dont know.. but from the video of the ambulance driving away.. you can see him in the window...
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 15, 2009, 03:14:35 PM
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I gotta ask something and I can't seem to find anywhere if this has been discussed. The ambulance photo has always bothered me because of the furrowed brow...how can someone in a coma, unconscious or dead "furrow" their brow? Anyway, that's been discussed. My question is about the reflection in the glass. There's all kinds of things in the reflection (car, trees, etc.) We see that the picture was taken pretty close up, right? The photographer was directly outside the window, right? Then why is HIS reflection not blocking the reflection of the red car, the trees, etc? Where is the photographer's reflection?? Even if it was taken off to the side we'd see something, an arm, a shoulder...something. I see "MJ" and 2 paramedics inside the ambulance, but no one outside...or am I just missing it?

OMG, now I saw the face on the left side, but it looks quite odd, all that make up on. I think someone is trying to confuse us, and I think this picture has been photoshoped from the beginning to  the end, and all these new faces of Michael¿?¿? Am  I going even crazier as I was before  :)
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 15, 2009, 03:21:47 PM
I see this face on the left side, too....Maybe it was the original face they wanted to use for this photo?  Or any other ideas here???
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 22, 2009, 02:51:18 PM
i see 2 images in your photo posted..a face/mask on the left and a body/dummy

i find the photos below weird...
ambulance door open with a ??? mannequin in it...looks like the "patient"
is in a leather recliner



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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 22, 2009, 03:31:15 PM
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Maybe I'm going crazy, but I see a third face:
[attachment=0:1oxfxii8]ambulancepicture[1].jpg[/attachment:1oxfxii8]

i lightend and flipped the photo upside down...
no your not crazy there are 2 images there..one at the top near the
top right of the circle..i see a head and some shoulders
then to the left top left of the badge there is a facial image..i see
a nose and eyes.. maybe i'm nuts now..sshhhheezz...i need a break



i tried to circle the images that i see below..i'm not very good at this stuff
arrgh....
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 22, 2009, 04:39:04 PM
Here is what i think may be the original photo, i was watching the 30th Anniversary concert last night, when i saw it i thought that's it!!!
When Chris Tucker came on stage Michael lay on the floor and Bam, There you see the photo!!  :o
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 22, 2009, 05:02:28 PM
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Here is what i think may be the original photo, i was watching the 30th Anniversary concert last night, when i saw it i thought that's it!!!
When Chris Tucker came on stage Michael lay on the floor and Bam, There you see the photo!!  :o

OMG i thought that 2... just didn't know how to get the image on.. WOOO for you.. hmmmmm lets look closer at this image!!  :shock:
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 22, 2009, 05:03:48 PM
then again.. the nose isn't right!! i think the amb picture nose is a button type nose.. not a pointy one like Michaels.. oh well... pffftttt :roll:
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 22, 2009, 05:10:13 PM
mmm I haven't noticed the red car until now. Some things that make me believe it's fake: Supposedly the photographer got it using the flash, because otherwise the window would be too dark to take such a clear picture, so by using the flash the rest of the reflection would be impossible to see.  The reflection of the car is like the window it's a the same level, which is not, because clearly the ambulance window is higher than the car. And at last, and like some of you said, the reflection is too big which could mean that the car is very close, and that wasn't the case.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 22, 2009, 06:35:48 PM
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i see 2 images in your photo posted..a face/mask on the left and a body/dummy

i find the photos below weird...
ambulance door open with a ??? mannequin in it...looks like the "patient"
is in a leather recliner





where have you found the photo with the ambulance door open??? The one on the right really seems the same Michael mannequin of the ambulance picture!!!!
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 22, 2009, 06:49:24 PM
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/6124/a ... mazing.jpg

Thanks"JE"!....
I have enlarged the opened door ambulance detail..I found the discover amazing!!!!
Maybe it was not even a complete body dummy...but just head and half body!!!!ANd picture taken from the inside ambulance!

I still don't know where the picture with the opened door ambulance was taken from...can you tell me "JE"?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 22, 2009, 08:01:41 PM
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Here is what i think may be the original photo, i was watching the 30th Anniversary concert last night, when i saw it i thought that's it!!!
When Chris Tucker came on stage Michael lay on the floor and Bam, There you see the photo!!  :o
He made that same laying down pose 2 different times.



I don't know if that's the exact picture, what I am sure of is that there was not only one ambulance photo, like they say. Look at these 2 copies of what is supposed to be the same photo. The angles are different. Check out the space between the medic's leg and Michael's eyebrow. It's a noticeably different size in each photo.



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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 22, 2009, 08:13:43 PM
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Maybe I'm going crazy, but I see a third face:
[attachment=0:3ajxttjo]ambulancepicture[1].jpg[/attachment:3ajxttjo]

i see the 3 faces also
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 22, 2009, 08:47:44 PM
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http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/6124/ambulancepictureamazing.jpg

Thanks"JE"!....
I have enlarged the opened door ambulance detail..I found the discover amazing!!!!
Maybe it was not even a complete body dummy...but just head and half body!!!!ANd picture taken from the inside ambulance!

I still don't know where the picture with the opened door ambulance was taken from...can you tell me "JE"?

@mmz, i wish i could tell you about the photo..i don't know when or where
it was taken..i saw it on several hoax sites awhile ago and saved it. there
is no doubt for me that it's the same as the original picture..jmo
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 22, 2009, 09:50:39 PM
This is a great post.  So many fab points.  I have never seen the red car before it the ambu photo.  I agree there should be a reflection of the photog in the window, since I can see the red car.  This only death photo has always bothered me from day one.  Thanks for all the great posts. :D
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 22, 2009, 10:15:00 PM
If you look at his nose and top lip it is lighter than rest of his face, was that photoshopped.
Off topic, but i have watched all the progs (7 of them) and nobody gets the story right, he was ill, no way he could even do like ten concerts, then in the next breath, he was the fittest he had ever been, i mean come on!!  :roll:
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 23, 2009, 07:01:20 PM
Well now, I posted on the other thread about someone not saying for sure about a "shopped" picture, but the picture with the ambulance door open and this "head and shoulders dummy" does look this way. I will not accuse someone, I am saying that the photo gives the appearance of alteration.

Notice that the Michael in that pic is blurred and out of focus, while the stretcher and equipment are in focus. It is disproportionate to the items around him. Dummy or not, it is not big enough to be in that space. Notice also the white cloth or sheet is bled into the picture and fuzzy, not blurred
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 25, 2009, 11:43:26 AM
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hope this works.. can you see them

OMG!
It's really creepy. Guys I'm scared :?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 26, 2009, 01:07:52 PM
Mike was hospitalised in 1993, the ambulance photo looks of that time
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 26, 2009, 01:09:59 PM
But can't find a picture of him in the ambulance or being taken to hospital.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 26, 2009, 05:21:36 PM
Ive found these picture analysis but even though its very convincing, the angle is still off to me.  The ambulance picture has more forehead to it.

Also i have a picture of Michael Jackson with a mannequin which is in the same exact pose.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 27, 2009, 03:52:48 PM
Miss.Peppers, to me the angle from the first pic isn't  the same too.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 27, 2009, 04:19:40 PM
the person is the same, yes, the angle is wrong but i think the photo of him on the floor was produced to show that it could be a photoshop as you call it.

I think the this is not MJ of 2009 but maybe a photo from yester - year.

I don't think the photographer could have got the angle from jumping up and snapping a moving ambulance and i do not think from the height of the windows that a reflection of a red car could have been taken.

fake fake fake fake fake

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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 27, 2009, 04:22:57 PM
I have been thinking about the question of MJ skin tone in the picture.  Could he not look darker because of the tinted ambulance windows?

I am assuming the ambulance guys are white, and if you look at the skin tone of their arms they are actually darker than MJs face?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 27, 2009, 04:31:15 PM
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I have been thinking about the question of MJ skin tone in the picture.  Could he not look darker because of the tinted ambulance windows?

I am assuming the ambulance guys are white, and if you look at the skin tone of their arms they are actually darker than MJs face?

is there some one with knoledge of photography is it possible to make a picture with a camera, the place of the sun thru an blinded window in a split second...

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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 27, 2009, 05:21:43 PM
The ambulance photo's are fake - why i dont know

"It was easier to know it than to explain why I know it. If you were asked to prove that two and two made four, you might find some difficulty, and yet you are quite sure of the fact."  Sherlock Holmes
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 27, 2009, 05:27:05 PM
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The ambulance photo's are fake - why i dont know

"It was easier to know it than to explain why I know it. If you were asked to prove that two and two made four, you might find some difficulty, and yet you are quite sure of the fact."  Sherlock Holmes

The problem with that qoute is...

we need only 1 thread at this board by good old sherlock

Mike is alive because i know it
- topic closed
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 27, 2009, 05:35:50 PM
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Ok, that's it..it's official...I've gone insane!  I don't really see the face on the right, but the one on the left looks like MJ with his eyes closed...I seriously need to get off this site! I'm seeing things!
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Funny!!!  I was thinking the same thing about myself!  There is too  much going on with this photo to believe that it could be real.  I really think it is a photoshop of when he was REALLY in the ambulance several years ago and the photographer just added things to it to make it look real.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 27, 2009, 06:06:46 PM
Ok we believe that the photo is a fake, so why did this professional photographer release this photo?

He was well known to MJ i understand?

I suppose the police are looking into this in their investiagations?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 27, 2009, 06:16:14 PM
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Ive found these picture analysis but even though its very convincing, the angle is still off to me.  The ambulance picture has more forehead to it.

Also i have a picture of Michael Jackson with a mannequin which is in the same exact pose.
everytime i see the picture with the mannequin i always wonder where the peoples legs are?
you see there top half but no legs !
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 27, 2009, 06:17:17 PM
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i see 2 images in your photo posted..a face/mask on the left and a body/dummy

i find the photos below weird...
ambulance door open with a ??? mannequin in it...looks like the "patient"
is in a leather recliner




I've never seen this before, but it looks photoshopped to me.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 27, 2009, 06:28:10 PM
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I gotta ask something and I can't seem to find anywhere if this has been discussed. The ambulance photo has always bothered me because of the furrowed brow...how can someone in a coma, unconscious or dead "furrow" their brow? Anyway, that's been discussed. My question is about the reflection in the glass. There's all kinds of things in the reflection (car, trees, etc.) We see that the picture was taken pretty close up, right? The photographer was directly outside the window, right? Then why is HIS reflection not blocking the reflection of the red car, the trees, etc? Where is the photographer's reflection?? Even if it was taken off to the side we'd see something, an arm, a shoulder...something. I see "MJ" and 2 paramedics inside the ambulance, but no one outside...or am I just missing it?


You can see a part on the right top of the picture but thats a very good question, if i take a  picture with flaselight i cant see aything of the picture only the flaselight.
There are a lot of questions about that picture that cant be awnsered:S:S just like the furrowed brown ;)  i have aske dmyself that a lot and came to the conclusion  that he is ALIVE :)


I dont know if there is a topic about this on this forum bu tmaybe its a good idea to look to the picture again and do some research:P  :?:
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 27, 2009, 09:37:16 PM
I have a question about the ambulance photo,on this page it shows michael laying in 2 directions, you see the left side of michaels face , then futher down page you see the right side, am I missing somthing?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 27, 2009, 09:45:27 PM
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I have a question about the ambulance photo,on this page it shows michael laying in 2 directions, you see the left side of michaels face , then futher down page you see the right side, am I missing somthing?
I guess it just seems to be so, cause this one photo was turned about 180 degrees.
Anyway,  I also believe this photo is fake.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 27, 2009, 10:00:55 PM
I just printed out the picture and turned it 180 degrees and it doesnt fit, so now what?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 27, 2009, 11:40:01 PM
I get it , its a mirrored image, boy do i feel dumb!
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 28, 2009, 12:28:42 AM
I have always questioned the authenticity of this photo. It looks as if at least 2 photos (possibly more) are superimposed on one another. It has always looked like a concocted work to me...and way too fake. It is odd to see the faces on the pic. Yep, the one at the left margin looks like MJ to me too! Weird.....and I am wondering the reason for it all?!?!?!?!?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 28, 2009, 05:42:09 AM
But you have to remember that the photographer has taken hundreds of pictures of mike over the years his back cat must be vast and many pictures not in the public domain, so he could have used any of those shoots to photoshop.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 29, 2009, 12:31:34 PM
I see something else now!!!!! I see the red car and it looks like they getting a blue bodybag into the ambulance!!!!!look at it!
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 29, 2009, 03:51:46 PM
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I see something else now!!!!! I see the red car and it looks like they getting a blue bodybag into the ambulance!!!!!look at it!

I can't see what you mean?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 29, 2009, 10:34:53 PM
look this video, what do you think? stop at 4.16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnC0aUHHteQ
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 30, 2009, 03:16:51 AM
MJJ1982

I hope that is a lil more clear:
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 30, 2009, 03:19:23 AM
That's the leg of the paramedic, and some light reflections ? I can't see a bodybag.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 30, 2009, 01:40:19 PM
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That's the leg of the paramedic, and some light reflections ? I can't see a bodybag.

Exactly, that's what I see too. You can see his leg, and the reflection from the ground outside.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 30, 2009, 05:32:24 PM
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I have always questioned the authenticity of this photo. It looks as if at least 2 photos (possibly more) are superimposed on one another. It has always looked like a concocted work to me...and way too fake. It is odd to see the faces on the pic. Yep, the one at the left margin looks like MJ to me too! Weird.....and I am wondering the reason for it all?!?!?!?!?

I must say... when I first saw the pic... on the front of a magazine i have i  didnt think it was MJ at all... I looked at it in the shop and thought "who iss that ??" ..it looked like a model =/
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 30, 2009, 11:35:19 PM
I've shown the picture  it to my mom and she didn't find it strange ! I look at her
"wtf" ?  :shock:  This is evident that that's not the MJ of today and even if he looks like that that's not the face of someone dying ! That's scary how can people be so clueless...Well I understand that she doesn't know everything of him but Oh well...
That picture is what striked my mind ! I saw it and I went "what is that ? he looks so young and healthy ? something is fishy here" well I don't help the topic but I just wanted to say !
By the way has anyone tought about showing it to some professionals ?
They can detect if there is flaws and traces of photoshop,right ?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 30, 2009, 11:44:27 PM
The face that we can all see to the left.. could that be a reflection of someone from the outside?  Like the red car is a reflection.. could the face be a reflection from someone outside of the ambulance looking in?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: December 30, 2009, 11:51:07 PM
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The face that we can all see to the left.. could that be a reflection of someone from the outside?  Like the red car is a reflection.. could the face be a reflection from someone outside of the ambulance looking in?
But, it looks like Michaels face and thye eyes are closed.  :?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 01, 2010, 01:15:19 AM
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I gotta ask something and I can't seem to find anywhere if this has been discussed. The ambulance photo has always bothered me because of the furrowed brow...how can someone in a coma, unconscious or dead "furrow" their brow? Anyway, that's been discussed. My question is about the reflection in the glass. There's all kinds of things in the reflection (car, trees, etc.) We see that the picture was taken pretty close up, right? The photographer was directly outside the window, right? Then why is HIS reflection not blocking the reflection of the red car, the trees, etc? Where is the photographer's reflection?? Even if it was taken off to the side we'd see something, an arm, a shoulder...something. I see "MJ" and 2 paramedics inside the ambulance, but no one outside...or am I just missing it?

i see MJ on top of a red car
the emt's leg is as large as the car...also in the object below the
emt's leg i see what looks like the back of the ambulance...geeezzz
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 02, 2010, 10:51:35 PM
Hey CC, I have to thank you for posting that video.  In it we see a photographer taking a picture of the ambulance and we clearly see the reflection of the camera lens...just proves my point that we should see someone's reflection in the "exclusive" photo.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 03, 2010, 06:25:42 PM
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Hey CC, I have to thank you for posting that video.  In it we see a photographer taking a picture of the ambulance and we clearly see the reflection of the camera lens...just proves my point that we should see someone's reflection in the "exclusive" photo.

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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 03, 2010, 08:25:41 PM
Potrebbe essere questa persona a prendere le foto che stiamo analizzando?
(you can enlarge the image by clicking on it)

Per me nella foto si dovrebbe vedere almeno la lente della fotocamera. :?::?::?:
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 03, 2010, 10:20:19 PM
Well I kinda feel that it looks like a manequinn instead of Michael I have always thought that for the longest and idk why but it just strikes me as that it's a manequinn instead of Michael or it could be a photoshopped picture that has lots of layers that's why the shadows are in the picture.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 04, 2010, 04:46:31 PM
Something is definitely not right with this picture. Why does he look so young? This looks like the Bad era MJ, not the one from TII!  :?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 04, 2010, 06:00:28 PM
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"]Something is definitely not right with this picture. Why does he look so young? This looks like the Bad era MJ, not the one from TII!  :?



Maybe this is his mannequin, that he used a few times ago to confuse the paparazzi
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 05, 2010, 11:26:31 AM
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"]Something is definitely not right with this picture. Why does he look so young? This looks like the Bad era MJ, not the one from TII!  :?



Maybe this is his mannequin, that he used a few times ago to confuse the paparazzi

That would explain it.  :)  If it is a mannequin I think it needs updating!  :D
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 05, 2010, 12:46:15 PM
We know it's fake the problem is how we can prove it ?  :|
It could be a mannequin, a wax figure , a photoshopped picture...
My idea is that we should kidnap that Ben guy who took the picture and force him to tell the truth  :twisted:
Or maybe we should bribe him  :D Money can be a solution when people won't talk
 (I'm joking of course don't think that I'm a twisted psychopath  :D )
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 07, 2010, 09:08:15 AM
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"]Something is definitely not right with this picture. Why does he look so young? This looks like the Bad era MJ, not the one from TII!  :?

yes it looks off... and i'll tell you why. I've said it before.. but noone took notice.
the interior of the ambulance is way to old. take a look at this pic from " michael jacksons final days sneak peak" and then look inside a ambulance of the same kind used when mj "died" http://www.roanoke.com/multimedia/360s/rescue.html  compare this with the pic of mj in the ambulance.... not the same... it is not from 2009... more 1989...
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 07, 2010, 09:37:06 AM
nah not really
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 07, 2010, 11:09:57 AM
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"]Something is definitely not right with this picture. Why does he look so young? This looks like the Bad era MJ, not the one from TII!  :?

yes it looks off... and i'll tell you why. I've said it before.. but noone took notice.
the interior of the ambulance is way to old. take a look at this pic from " michael jacksons final days sneak peak" and then look inside a ambulance of the same kind used when mj "died" http://www.roanoke.com/multimedia/360s/rescue.html  compare this with the pic of mj in the ambulance.... not the same... it is not from 2009... more 1989...

 the ambulance looks so old to me also i posted this on the other thread of the new pic of michael blurred out in the ambulance. I guess someone blurred him out and posted it on the EMT forum to see if that is what the ambulances that the lafd use and they said yes. i still cant believe that is a new ambulance. Ive seen the ambulances we use where i live and they are so much more updated than that picture we are being shown. Every ambulance video i have seen the seats are a light color. I havnt seen ones with dark seats in a long long time. I think someone needs to go see the inside of their ambulances. I agree it looks like a older ambulance. the link you posted shows what they should look like.


You can go see the inside if someone lives near one on the site it says:
we'd like to remind you that there is no need to be ill or injured to explore the inside of an LAFD ambulance. Simply stop by your Neighborhood Fire Station for a visit!
and here is the link to the website:

http://http://lafd.org/visit.htm heres the website

I wish someone could go check it out im on the east coast so i cant but hope someone living there could go take a tour maybe with their children or something
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 07, 2010, 03:00:59 PM
What I find odd about the ambulance picture is the nose, of course, but also the eyebrows.  he looks like he has two sets of eyebrows!  It almost looks like they "mirrored" one half of his face and put it side by side so it looks like a whole face.  Do you know what I mean?  That could be why his nose looks so wide. :?
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 07, 2010, 03:09:33 PM
Here he is white..
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 07, 2010, 03:58:10 PM
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Here he is white..

Isn't that because they added contrast and luminosity to it ?
The original that everyone saw is the one in wich he look more dark
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 07, 2010, 04:45:43 PM
these are from a different state...
here is the inside view of three ambulances..appear more updated than
than the one seen in the above posts..


 




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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 07, 2010, 04:53:13 PM
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Here he is white..

Isn't that because they added contrast and luminosity to it ?
The original that everyone saw is the one in wich he look more dark

Or you can say the original has been altered to make MJ look darker.

Look at the paramedics arm tone.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 07, 2010, 09:49:06 PM
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"]Something is definitely not right with this picture. Why does he look so young? This looks like the Bad era MJ, not the one from TII!  :?

yes it looks off... and i'll tell you why. I've said it before.. but noone took notice.
the interior of the ambulance is way to old. take a look at this pic from " michael jacksons final days sneak peak" and then look inside a ambulance of the same kind used when mj "died" http://www.roanoke.com/multimedia/360s/rescue.html  compare this with the pic of mj in the ambulance.... not the same... it is not from 2009... more 1989...

 the ambulance looks so old to me also i posted this on the other thread of the new pic of michael blurred out in the ambulance. I guess someone blurred him out and posted it on the EMT forum to see if that is what the ambulances that the lafd use and they said yes. i still cant believe that is a new ambulance. Ive seen the ambulances we use where i live and they are so much more updated than that picture we are being shown. Every ambulance video i have seen the seats are a light color. I havnt seen ones with dark seats in a long long time. I think someone needs to go see the inside of their ambulances. I agree it looks like a older ambulance. the link you posted shows what they should look like.


You can go see the inside if someone lives near one on the site it says:
we'd like to remind you that there is no need to be ill or injured to explore the inside of an LAFD ambulance. Simply stop by your Neighborhood Fire Station for a visit!
and here is the link to the website:

http://http://lafd.org/visit.htm heres the website

I wish someone could go check it out im on the east coast so i cant but hope someone living there could go take a tour maybe with their children or something

But the ambulance in that other link, where you can look around the ambulance, which is from 2006,has brown seats.
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: January 13, 2010, 06:17:54 AM
To me the red car just looks way too close in the photo and it was on the other side of the street!!
Is there anybody here who owns a car with tinted windows? Maybe he can take a picture upclose like that so we can see if it can be done??? Anyone??
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: February 18, 2010, 07:01:01 AM
I just gotta say...this cracks me up.  I posted this topic December 12th (over 2 months ago) and I figured out this thing was a fake the day it was printed...but now, because there is some video on YouTube people are freaking out saying "wow that ambulance picture was a fake!"...REALLY??? LOL...they're just figuring that  out NOW!!! Cracks me up!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: February 18, 2010, 07:29:12 AM
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I just gotta say...this cracks me up.  I posted this topic December 12th (over 2 months ago) and I figured out this thing was a fake the day it was printed...but now, because there is some video on YouTube people are freaking out saying "wow that ambulance picture was a fake!"...REALLY??? LOL...they're just figuring that  out NOW!!! Cracks me up!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

lol! i know that is fake on june 25th... :lol:
maybe this persons not look what thay are seeing... just proces the information and no questions about it! :lol:
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: February 18, 2010, 12:44:07 PM
I must say good job guys!!!
We all knew Michael was looking much younger in that pic and darker as well!
For those who found the real picture and how it was made into a fake ambulance pic
Congratulations.. Keep up the good work....
We will see what else they will admit LOL

I still wonder why Joe Jackson wants to sue over the death picture???

Since it is fake, he has no case
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: February 18, 2010, 01:17:07 PM
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I must say good job guys!!!
We all knew Michael was looking much younger in that pic and darker as well!
For those who found the real picture and how it was made into a fake ambulance pic
Congratulations.. Keep up the good work....
We will see what else they will admit LOL

I still wonder why Joe Jackson wants to sue over the death picture???

Since it is fake, he has no case

may be some type of misrepresentation case - but what are they saying - he's not dead, or he is dead - just not dead in the ambulance or not in the ambulance?

but it would be a case for the estate

or is he going to claim post traumatic shock

we will just have to wait and see
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Re: Question about the ambulance picture

  • on: February 20, 2010, 08:57:15 AM
hello everyone here...its me -> polly

what I think about this pic is - and i was working with a lot of photo programms -
I can see just one hand doing the CPR..... is that normally? (left arm/hand)
I always thought you need both hands ?

Tried to find out if a programm is able to "see" in details - but no chance.....

maybe its nothing.....not important, but i thought about this.....
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