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Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 01, 2010, 11:15:44 PM
Neverland
The gates of Neverland have/had a royal crest similar to the British Royal families crest on them.


Neverland gates with the Jackson Family Crest


British Royal Family Crest

There is a possible link in Michael’s ancestry to royalty. The Royal families claim to trace their bloodline back to King David and beyond. Kind David is a descendant of Jesus.


This link to Jesus is why the are considered Royalty in the first place.

Sheets
Michael was wrapped in sheets and not a body bag when taken from the hospital to the coroner; he was also wrapped in a sheet inside the casket. There was what appears to be a large "Knot" in the sheet when the body is being loaded into the helicopter.
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Knotted Sheet containing Michael Jackson's "body" being loaded into the sheriff's helicopter on June 25, 2009

John 19:40 (King James Version)
40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.
 
Mark 15:46 (King James Version)
46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen...

The Autopsy Report
In the Autopsy Report it is also reported that Michael is inside the casket wrapped in sheets after a hair sample has been requested for forensic testing.

The autopsy shows that Michael suffered punctures in both wrists/heel of the hands, both ankles and an unexplained abdominal incision (healed). He also had multiple injuries/scars on his back, arms, legs etc. all unexplained.



Forest Lawn & the Crypt
The casket is placed into an unmarked crypt (sepulchre) which has never been used and sat empty for 50 years.



John 19:41 (King James Version)
41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.

Mark 15:46 (King James Version)
46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.

The stained glass windows above the crypt depict the ascension of Jesus Christ into the heavens after his resurrection.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q3zV9twvNo[/youtube]

Michael had a painting created that he called "The Last Supper" this hung over his bed at Neverland and he was depicted as Jesus.


Nearby the crypt at Forest Lawn are other recreations of other famous paintings and statuary all related to Jesus.



Duality
Two pictures used at the funeral from Liberian Girl.
Two pictures symbolizing duality, the human and divine natures that also defined the natures of Jesus.



The Yin Yang Symbol
The Yin Yang Symbol was also shown repeatedly at the memorial this is another symbol for duality. As well as Religious symbols from all the world's major religions.



“I am only Human”
Jesus is not half God and half man.  He is fully divine and fully man.  In other words, Jesus has two distinct natures: divine and human.  Jesus is the Word who was God and was with God and was made flesh, (John 1:1,14).   This means that in the single person of Jesus is both a human and divine nature, God and man.  The divine nature was not changed when the Word became flesh (John 1:1,14).  Instead, the Word was joined with humanity (Col. 2:9).  Jesus' divine nature was not altered.  Also, Jesus is not merely a man who "had God within Him" nor is he a man who "manifested the God principle."  He is God in flesh, second person of the Trinity. "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word," (Heb. 1:3). Jesus' two natures are not "mixed together," (Eutychianism) nor are they combined into a new God-man nature (Monophysitism).  They are separate yet act as a unit in the one person of Jesus.  This is called the Hypostatic Union.

The 6th of the last Seven Words of Christ - "I'm Thirsty" - A human craving to requirement  to maintain physical life

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPpiCpELA6Q[/youtube]

The Fleur-de-lis
On the gates of Neverland there is also the  Fleur-de-lis


The Fleur-de-lis represents the Iris and is associated with the Kings of France and is also used on the British Coat of Arms. It is a representation of the Iris flower.


The Iris and France
There are various legends of how the iris came to represent the French monarchy but most center around two historical incidents separated in time by six hundred years. Clovis who in 496 A.D. is said to have abandoned the three toads on his banner in favor of the fleur-de-lis. His Christian Queen Clotilda, had long sought to convert her heathen husband but he always ignored her plea. Then faced with a formidable army of Alamanni, the Germanic tribe invading his kingdom, he told his wife that if he won the coming battle he would admit her God was strongest and be baptized. He did win and the toads whose symbolism would be most interesting to know disappeared.

The second incident occurred in 1147. Louis VII of France had a dream that convinced him to adopt the purple iris as his device shortly before setting out for his ill-fated crusade. Thus the fleur-de-lis became the symbol on the banner of France for the next six hundred years. Or twelve hundred years if we take it from the time of Clovis that the iris became the symbol for a great nation.

The iris was so powerful a symbol of the French kings that the Revolutionaries in 1789 set out to totally obliterate it the symbol of the hated monarchy. It was chipped off buildings and torn from draperies. Men were guillotined for wearing a fleur-de-lis on their clothes or as jewelry. The revolution succeeded and the symbol of the fleur-de-lis is only a memory now and is considered merely a conventionalized ornament or decoration.
http://www.sfheart.com/iris.html

In the never seen before photograph used at the Funeral, Michael is holding Purple Irises.



The Symbolic and Religious Meaning of the Colour Purple
Some interesting facts and information about the symbolic, religious, Christian and Biblical meaning of the colour Purple

* Purple is always associated with Royalty
* Purple togas were worn by the all powerful Roman Emperors
* The symbolic meaning of the colour purple was for penitence and mourning
* Purple also has a Christian / Biblical meaning and is the liturgical colour for the seasons of Lent and Advent
* Only the most expensive dyes were used to produce the colour purple, it therefore became symbolic with wealth and power
* People who were allowed to wear the colour purple during the Elizabethan era, as decreed by the English Sumptuary Laws, were the Queen, Queen's mother, children, and sisters, and aunts. The King, King's mother, children, brethren, and uncles

The Memorial and Funeral Flowers.
There were also purple Irises throughout the lilies on the arrangement on the coffin at the funeral.

Song of Solomon 2 (King James Version)
1 I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys.

Most expositors agree that these are the words of Jesus where he expresses his own excellencies, to draw, allure and enamor the souls of those that love and long after him.

The Rose



A Rose is the offspring and fruit of a good, though seemingly dry root. Jesus, touching his human nature, is the offspring of David, or “a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots,” Isaiah 11:1.

A Rose is a beautiful flower, very pleasant and delightful to the eye, of different colors, red and white, and in some curiously joined and intermixed together, red and white; shows an excellent complexion, and makes up a perfect beauty. Christ is said to be “white and ruddy” Song of Solomon 5:10. Some understand thereby his two natures (Duality), by the white his divinity, by the red his humanity: the one denotes his natural purity and innocence; the other, his bloody agony and suffering.

A Rose is a fragrant and sweet flower, it yields a most excellent and odoriferous scent. Jesus yields a most fragrant and lovely saviour. What is so sweet and refreshing to the spiritual sense of the soul, as the merits and saving graces of Christ? “Thy name is as ointment poured forth,” Song of Solomon 1:3.

The Rose is called by naturalists the queen of flowers, none to be compared to it. Jesus infinitely excels all others, whether angels or men; none are to be compared to him. He is the Head, the flower, and glory of things in heaven, and of things on earth, “Thou art fairer than the children of men”, “the chiefest among ten thousand,” Psalms 45:2, Song of Solomon 5:10.

The Rose of Sharon signifies the flower of the field, Sharon being a place or plain wherein king David’s herds and cattle were fed, 1 Chronicles 27:29. Roses that grow in a field, are not planted by man, and indeed do lie open to beasts, to be spoiled, plucked to pieces, or trodden down. Jesus Christ was not planted by man, but by the hand of the Father; when brought forth into the field of this world, how open did he lie to evil beasts, such as Herod and the Jews were? How was he plucked to pieces, as it were, and trodden under their feet? He was laid open to almost all manner of sorrow and suffering, Isaiah 53:3-5.

The Roses of Sharon were free: persons might have access to them, when they could not to other flowers that were in close and secret gardens. Jesus is free for all, whoever will, may come and take the good and gracious virtue, and soul-refreshing blessings that are in him, Isaiah 55:1, Revelation 22:17. He is a fountain opened, Zechariah 13:1. The good that is in God is no other ways communicated to mankind, but in and through him.

Sharon was a place of pasture, a place of feeding, where the flocks used to rest, a very fruitful valley. Christ is to be found in green pastures: “He maketh me to lie down in green pastures,” Psalms 23:2.

The Rose yields a very precious oil, good in divers cases. Jesus affords a very precious oil, called the oil of gladness, which is of a most sovereign virtue.
http://www.learnthebible.org/christ-the ... haron.html

The Lily


The lily is a sweet and a fragrant flower. Jesus' spiritual sweetness very much excels and transcends the sweetest of any odours that can be mentioned.

A lily is white and very beautiful; within it are seven golden grains or seeds. White denotes holiness, purity and perfection. Purity is essential, originally, perfectly, and absolutely inherent in Christ; He is holiness itself, His glory is infinite, within and without, every way glorious; the perfection of beauty.

The lily is exceeding fruitful; one root puts forth fifty bulbs or scallions. Jesus is exceeding fruitful, from this root, from him many Christians have sprung.

The lily is the tallest of flowers, yet hangs down its head. Jesus is higher than the mighty princes, kings and emperors of the earth, higher than heaven or angels, and yet humble and lowly in heart; therefore he is compared to the lily of the valley, in his exaltation, as God very high; but in his humiliations, he seems to hang down his head.

The lily is a flower that hath many medicinal virtues. Jesus is excellently good to cure all the diseases and maladies of the soul; it cures spiritual blindness, it softens a hard heart, it cures stubbornness and obstinacy. There is no malady too hard for this spiritual Physician.
http://www.learnthebible.org/christ-the ... alley.html

LMP called for sunflowers "Michael's favourite flowers". Sunflowers represent God (as does the sun itself) and God's love.

Lisa Marie Presley Wants Flowers at MJ's Tomb
5/12/2010 3:00 PM PDT by TMZ Staff 
Lisa Marie Presley claims she's disappointed at the "empty space" surrounding Michael Jackson's tomb -- so she's now challenging MJ fans to flood the place with sunflowers ASAP.


LMP just posted a message on her MySpace page describing her recent visit to Michael's grave site at Forest Lawn. Presley -- who was married to MJ back in the '90s -- says she believes Michael "deserves more" than the "few bouquets, candles and gifts" that currently surround Michael's grave.

Presley -- who notes Michael's infatuation with sunflowers -- is calling for fans to send a "Sun Shower" to the tomb because, "I know how much he loved and appreciated being showered with Gifts and flowers by his fans."
http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/12/lisa-mari ... ce-letter/

The Jack5on Family Dynasty
In the A & E show "Jack5on a Family Dynasty" there was another painting showing a Sunflower, Michael, a Dove, and a Butterfly.



The Sunflower = God the Father
Michael = The Son
The Dove = The Holy Spirit
The Butterfly = Resurrection

The Video for the Song "Scream"
There are many clues in this video but a significant one is that we are shown the painting entitled "The Son of Man".



TMZ has a gallery of people wearing bowler hats with an apple in front of their face (some related to Michael) just like the painting.



Michael's nickname is "Apple Head".

The phrase "Son of Man" is another name for Jesus and is how he referred to himself.

The Halo
The halo is used in depictions of Holy and sacred individuals.



The Song "Scream" Lyrics
Michael sings "Father, please have mercy, I just can't take it anymore"
Jesus’ first words on the cross “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Psalm 22:1.

Jam Lyrics
I Just Want You To Recognize Me In The Temple.

Jesus tells us that our bodies are our temples.

1 Corinthians 6:19 (King James Version)
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

So Michael wants us to recognize who he is within ourselves.
Do you recognize him yet?

The Song "This Is It".
Michael sings "I am the Light of the World, this is real".

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_SLU3m6uCA[/youtube]

The light of the world is another name for Jesus and the Messiah.

The Trailer for the Movie "This Is It"
There are many allusions to Michale being the messiah in the trailer for his movie "This Is It"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi_5Ea-Y3GA[/youtube]

The Movie "This Is It"
In the "Thriller" sequence we are shown the dead falling back to earth, symbolizing the resurrection of the dead and Michael is surrounded by "Zombies" who are the dead resurrected.



Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Zoroastrianism all variously describe a resurrection of the dead, usually referring to a regeneration of all people to face God on Judgment Day.

The Number 7 
– Michael Jackson signed his will on 7/7/02.
– Michael Jackson’s memorial was on 7/7/09 … exactly 7 years after the will was signed.
– Michael Jackson’s two biggest hits — “Black & White” and “Billie Jean” — were each #1 for 7 weeks.
– Michael Jackson’s three biggest albums — “Thriller,” “Bad” and “Dangerous” — each produced 7 top 40 hits.
– Michael Jackson was the 7th of 9 children.
– Michael Jackson was born in 1958 … 19 + 58 = 77
– Michael Jackson died on the 25th … 2 + 5 = 7
– Michael Jackson has 7 letters in his first and last name.
The number 7 is a spiritual number. It is the number of the perfect man. It is associated with God.

The 777 Shirt Michael Wears in the Movie "This Is It'.



777 is in fact God’s number.

The Phrase "This Is It".
Michael makes it clear that there is finality in his use of this phrase at the O2 press Conference, 
“This is it, this is really it, this is the final curtain call.”

"This is it" when used like this means - This is the end;  It is finished.
Jesus’ last words on the cross “It is finished!” (John 19:30).

Michael’s crucifixion was complete and the next phase of his mission is about to begin.

The Green Man
Michael appears as a “Green Man” in the video for the remake of the song “We Are The World”.



Osiris/Horus Connection.
Green man represents resurrection and is associated with Osiris, Jesus, the Messiah, as well as Peter Pan. “Michael tells us in the Bashir documentary “I am Peter Pan”…in other words, I am the Green Man, I am the Messiah.


Image from the hood of Michael's motorized cart from Neverland

The Arno Bani Photo Shoot
This photo shoot took place in 1991 but pictures have only recently been released. The photos were originally taken to be used for the cover of the "Invincible" album. Michael entitled these photographs "The Sphinx"





Michael's inspiration fro this photo shoot was a fashion photograph that appeared on the cover of the 'Sunday Times Style'. It features a woman who appears to be Egyptian Royalty. The particular magazine is entitled  "WRAPTURE"



The Rapture
The Rapture is an event in the futurist interpretation of Christian eschatology, in which it is posited that Christians will be gathered together in the air to meet the MESSIAH at his return.
The primary passage used to support this idea is 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, in which Paul cites "the word of the Lord" about the return of the messiah to gather his saints.
...and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.

 "Back"
The above picture also shows the Michael's "back" and has multiple meanings
Michael is back - Michael is coming back; he is returning
Michael is Back"- Michael is the poster using the screen name "Back" on the mjjcommunity.com forums.

Screen Name "Back"
This member uses the screen name "Back". They have been giving predictions of all of this years before anything ever occurred (since 2005). It is believed that they are Michael himself and "Back" is still actively posting.

"Back's" posts
The following is just an example of one of the posts by back that indicates that Michael is the Messiah.As one who embodies "vision" past 20/20, occurrences of the future are often "experienced". But many times this "experience" comes in the form of internal jolts, indicative of something of great significance. Séance hoaxes are not applicable.There are tIMEs when details are sparse, but abundant enough to "see" the grandness, just as it was in this magnetism towards the tHeOrY of sEVEN.

Exit Angel Gabriel----enter Angel Michael

Luke 1:36

"And in the sixth month the angel (Gabri)el was sent from God unto a city......
.........espoused to a man whose name was Joseph..."
And in the sixth month the angel (Micha)el was “statused” by God in a city...(of Angels)
.........espoused to a man whose name was Joseph.

On 6-25-09, tIME took a literal backseat to the mOMENt. I could always "see" a Silhouette on a Grand-stage, once again taking over the World. Perhaps also parallel in holding to our proclamation that this was NOT a "comeback", but a take-over. This was it. And in a thunderous sense,----- it was. It just didn't dawn on me that that Grand Stage would be in the Heavens; A visual Staple-d to the Center of our minds for all eternity.

Physically--no more, but with us in an eternal Angelic presence. We witnessed the beginning of this transfer on 7/7 of this historical year.

As History has shown, reflected through the books and logics of many faiths, Prophets do and have walked amongst us. They have sometimes been Angels in the temporary casts of both tIME and human flesh. And in their allotted tIME, their purposes have most often been message DeLIVErance.

In the separation of major tIME factions in our planetary HiStory, specifically Birth of Christ (BC) To nearly 2009 years post his physical exit (AD), there's only one other Worldly figure that has been bestowed the powers to reach EVERY corner of the globe. And that Heavenly Gift was the Incomparable Michael Jackson.

2+5, The days of Christ and Michael.

Although many other Great Worldly figures, ranging from Martin to Mother Teresa, have graced this Earth with soul driven purposes that have benefited humanity, there have ONLY been two who have been subjected to literal crucifixions; before, during and after their deaths. And even in the face of these crucifixions, they both maintained hearts filled with love, sensitivity and care for all man/woman-kind. They carried rare emotional connections to and concerns for every single poor and sick person on the planet; Especially the children. They were in-tune with the necessary nurturance that this magnificent creation we inhabit requires for survival. They both never stopped giving and wanting to give more! They even carried compassion and hope for those who were consumed with evil and sought to do them both harm. An EXTREME rarity!

Christ was the savior of lives once as a physical being
So too was Michael Jackson.
I’m sure there are “many” here on this very board who can attest to that. My word itself does not have to be taken as conclusive. The proof will be provided through acknowledgement.

Throughout the decades of the modern tIMEs we live, many Great figures have suffered untIMEly demises. Deep reflection of these occurrences will or should give you great pause. The easiest approach up until about 20 years ago was always by the bullet. What changed the trend? Well, along came awareness, suspicion, and non-acceptance of "stories" that carry potholes in logic. Thus, it demanded a necessity for more elaborate plans of execution that are now used as a means of thwarting the full truth. This process had to be in magnification ten fold in order to end the physical existence of the most famous person walking this Earth. Many OTHER attempts had failed, even though they left enormous wounds. You see, evil always goes for the jugular by attacking a person's greatest strength. Michael Jackson's greatest strength was pure love. The antagonist of such a principle is hate. So they used that pure love and coupled it with another of his strengths towards healing and caring for sick children to formulate perhaps the most wickedly contrived fiction in history. The goal was to create the most egregious of perceptions and marvel with pleasure and amusement at its historically noted difficulty to disprove. But I'm of the vision that this stain too shall be removed in due course. In fact, I have intuition that the subject of the first narrative has already, years ago, righted that wrong behind the scenes. For that individual or even those of his acquaintance, who are ambivalent about the “open” approach & legalities, these initials (T-M) are your "key". Trust ME!

Though the hands of tIME still move incrementally, tick-tock, tick-tock, it is quickly running thin on the 2 decade long, elaborate planning that culminated in this execution. I can now understand that "vision" of 6/25/06 relapse", with CLARITY. This is no conspiracy theory! However, believe as you may. But believing and knowing--- are two different things.

Arms, wrist and feet. Bludgeoned through the veins.
Arms, wrist and feet, Poisoned through the veins.
Two different Kings, with different Reigns.
And The End result shall be the same.

JUSTICE........For it is already written!

And shall be illUMINATED! (E. Chandler— I hope you left proper notice repenting---the inferno awaits and you shall become a believer in what you didn’t before. HELL is your EQUALIZER. You’ve earned it!

“With all the ingredients—is it Simmering---can you smell it—how long before the “pie” is done.” – As many have realized, IT would have been greatness to an infinite degree.

Mr. Jackson--- you know I still have your back--- until my end.
Connected

KEEP Watchin'.......

"This is my planet. You're ONE of Us" --- The Greatest

11/19/09
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showt... ost2388932

"Back" has a reverence, deep love and respect for Katherine, Michael’s mother, he vehemently defends her. He presents her as an almost saintly figure.

Jesus’ mother Mary is considered a Saint and revered in both Christian and the Muslim religions..

Will You Be There?
Michael channelling his higher power and his music came from God.

JACKSON: I wrote "Will You Be There?" at my house, "Never Land" in California. ... I didn't think about it hard. That's why its hard to take credit for the songs that I write, because I just always feel that its done from above. I feel fortunate for being that instrument through which music flows. I'm just the source through which it comes. I can't take credit for it because its Gods work. He's just using me as the messenger.
http://http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_n1_v48/ai_12824421/

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiiPhxj8FLg[/youtube]

The lyrics of many of Michael's songs, including “Will You Be There”, also give us clues to whom he really is, as does the symbolism in many of Michael's performances.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COcN_TmWpPE[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB8uQqbLJH4[/youtube]

Letter to the Media



“I must endure for the power I was sent forth by, for the world, for the children. But have mercy, for I’ve been bleeding for a long time now.”

Dateline Interview of Rabbi Shmuley and the "Michael Tapes"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owu1bkBtTbI[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JrJ0GAbKag[/youtube]

Messiah Complex
A messiah complex is a state of mind in which the individual believes he/she is, or is destined to become, a savior. The messiah complex does not appear in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)

So this is not an actual mental disorder at all.

In the tapes included with Rabbi Shmuley's interview, Michael also claims that he has ability to heal.
Many of the “miracles” Jesus is attributed with include healing.

The Surgical Mask
The surgical mask is a symbol of a doctor.
What is a doctor?
A HEALER.



La Toya's Interview with Barbra Walters on 20/20

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86LGDbHPLI4[/youtube]

The Jehovah’s Witnesses
The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Arch Angel Michael and the Jesus and the Messiah are one in the same.
There have been many comparisons made between Michael and Arch Angel Michael.

Daniel 12:1
 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Daniel 10:13
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Revelation 12:7 (King James Version)
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

A group of Jehovah’s Witnesses came forward  and claimed that Michael Jackson was the Messiah.

Dr. Cornel West & Dr. Michael Dyson
They appeared on the "Tavis Smiley Show", here is an excerpt of what was said.

West: "It's almost like a crucifixion, in terms of the cross you have to bear," said professor Cornel West. "We reap the fruits of the resurrection, in terms of the power that emanates from [Jackson's] sacrifice. He sacrificed his childhood because he loved us so. He didn't just entertain us, he sustained us."

Dyson: "There's no question that the transcendent art that he created was a means, an instrument, a vehicle, for others to experience what he did not. His soul got more deeply rooted in the existential agony and the profound social grief. And what he did was he allowed us through his voice and his instrument to see a glimpse of the heaven that he himself was denied."
http://http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200906/20090630_west.html?vid=tavi08s2b61qa2d#video

The Sign
Let's not forget that TS (The Sign) has told us, in previous updates, that Michael has not revealed himself because we aren't ready yet.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEIAPvz6HeI[/youtube]

The word messiah means
1. the promised and expected deliverer of the Jewish people.
2. Jesus Christ, regarded by Christians as fulfilling this promise and expectation. John 4:25, 26.
3. any expected deliverer.
4. a zealous leader of some cause or project.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/messiah

How many clues must we be presented with, before we decide to consider the message?

Are you ready to see the man you never knew?

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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 01, 2010, 11:16:31 PM
Quote from: 2good2btrue
I wonder whether the pics at the funeral,  with the bandage around his hand and wrist, are symbolic for  injuries from being nailed to a cross.?

Good question 2good2btrue. This is what I found.

Hand Symbolism & Beliefs
The hands are naturally the instruments of that will and divine blessing and have come to symbolize Man, or Adam; for only beings on the evolutionary level of man are given the prerogative to determine their own fate. It is said that not even angels have this freedom to choose, for their nature compels them to abide by the divine law. Man on the other hand, through choice, learns what it means to align himself with, or to disobey Cosmic laws. Man learns the consequences of his actions, and wise is he who takes responsibility for them.

The Hand of Jesus as the Hand of Power
The hand of Jesus as the Hand of Power or "Mano Poderosa." In the depiction of the crucified hand, all of the fingers are extended with various saints standing upon the digits.

"The image is of a huge wounded (but not bleeding) right hand, which points up through clouds, cut palm toward us. The lines in the palm are shown, and it looks like the head line is cut. The fingers are all of eerily uniform length, with a long thin thumb. Small, disembodied, winged cherub-heads float in the sky above the hand.

"To the left and right of the hand are four kneeling female angels who gaze upward and bear the tools of the crucifixion. Of the two on the left, one holds a bowl to catch Jesus' blood; the other holds a spear and vinegar sop in one hand and hammer and nails in the other. Of the two on the right, one holds a cross and the other a crown of thorns.

"Atop clouds on the little finger stands an older male saint with a book. The ring finger's clouds hold a female saint; the middle finger's, a younger male saint with a white lily; the forefinger's, the Virgin Mary; and the deformed thumb's clouds bear the toddler Jesus holding a globe in his right hand and raising his left."

From the above we may surmise that not only are hands the symbol of Man, they are also the symbol of divinity, for the sacred hand of the Divine One have its influence upon the mundane affairs of humanity when men have gone too far astray from the path of Truth and righteousness. Scriptures are replete with stories of divine intervention or action with materialized hands as a media of information conveyance or operation. Not only did the hand of God "inscribe" the Ten Commandments upon the stone tablets prepared by Moses, it also warned Belshazzar of his impending doom--a spirit hand materialized and wrote on the wall "Mene, Mene Tekel, U-pharsin" (Daniel 5: 24-25).
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/mudras-hand-symbolism-hand-symbolism-beliefs-part-1.html

The PowerfulHand
The Powerful Hand (Mano Poderosa in Spanish) depicts the right hand of God with fingers and thumb stretched upright. The palm, with its stigmata, faces toward the viewer.  The figures that stand at the top of the four fingers represent  the Virgin Mary, St. Joseph, and her parents, St. Anne St. Joachim.  The Christ Child is depicted on the thumb.

The meaning of the hand may derive from ancient times as a sign of magical protection and benediction.  Historian Carla Wisch explains, "Within popular Catholicism, the Omnipotent Hand symbolizes the all-powerful hand of Christ.  With its stigmata, the severed hand evokes the image of Jesus' hand nailed to the Cross. It most likely evolved from pre-Christian pagan rituals that prophesied the coming of Christ.


http://http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/questions/yq2/yq327.html

Michael has tape on all his fingers and thumb, except the middle one, of his right hand. The middle one represents St. Joseph, Jesus' father. He also has his palm taped which is representative of the crucifixion. The tape on the wrist, may be symbolizing the disembodiment of the hand, as we see it depicted in the painting.

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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 01, 2010, 11:20:54 PM
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"The autopsy shows that Michael suffered punctures in both wrists/heel of the hands, both ankles and an unexplained abdominal incision (healed). He also had multiple injuries/scars on his back, arms, legs etc. all unexplained".

When it comes to the unexplained injuries, you think you are stigmata?.
Wound type reflects his correspondence with the passion of Jesus through the following signals:
Injured hands or wrists, similar to those caused by similar to those caused by Spears injured foot, similar to those caused by stakes injured in the head, resembling those caused by the Crown of thorns injured back, similar to the whip in the wound flagellation flank, stakes.

Stigmata
The stigmata take various forms. Many show some or all of the five Holy Wounds  that were, according to the Bible, inflicted on Jesus during his crucifixion: wounds in the hands and feet, from nails, and in the side, from a lance. Some stigmatics display wounds to the forehead similar to those caused by the Crown of Thorns. Other reported forms include tears of blood or sweating blood, and wounds to the back as from scourging.
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigmata



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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

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Lost years of Jesus
The lost years of Jesus concerns the undocumented timespan between Jesus's childhood and the beginning of his ministry as recorded in the New Testament.

The gospels have accounts of event surrounding Jesus' birth, and the subsequent flight into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod (Matthew 2:13-23). There is a general reference to the settlement of Joseph and Mary, along with the young Jesus, at Nazareth (Matthew 2:23; Lk. 2:39-40). There also is that isolated account of Joseph, Mary, and Jesus' visit to the city of Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover, when Jesus was twelve years old (Luke 2:41-50).

Following that episode, there is a blank space in the record that covers eighteen years in the life of Christ (from age 12 to 30). Other than the generic allusion that Jesus advanced in wisdom, stature, and in favor with God and man (Luke 2:52), the Bible gives nothing more about Jesus' life during this time span. A common assumption amongst Christians is that Jesus simply lived in Nazareth during that period, but there are various accounts, that present other scenarios, typically including travels to India.

Several authors have claimed to have found proof of the existence of manuscripts in India and Tibet that support the belief that Christ was in India during this time in his life. Others cite legends in a number of places in the region that Jesus passed that way in ancient times.The Jesus in India manuscript was first reported in modern times by Nicolas Notovitch (1894). Subsequently several other authors have written on the subject including, the religious leader Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1899), Levi H. Dowling (1908), Swami Abhedananda (1922), Nicholas Roerich (1923–1928),[1] Mathilde Ludendorff (1930), Elizabeth Clare Prophet (1956) and more recently Holger Kersten[4] in his book Jesus Lived in India (1981).

Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ
The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ by Levi H. Dowling, published in 1908, claims to be the true story of the life of Jesus, including "the 'lost' eighteen years silent in the New Testament."

The narrative follows the young Jesus across India, Tibet, Persia, Assyria, Greece and Egypt.

Saint Issa
In 1887 a Russian war correspondent, Nicolas Notovitch, visited India and Tibet. He claimed that, at the lamasery or monastery of Hemis in Ladakh, he learned of the "Life of Saint Issa, Best of the Sons of Men." Issa is the Arabic name of Jesus. His story, with a translated text of the "Life of Saint Issa," was published in French in 1894 as La vie inconnue de Jesus Christ. It was subsequently translated into English, German, Spanish, and Italian.
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_years_of_Jesus

Saint Issa Meditating


Screen Captures from the Video for "Scream"

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Roza Bal The Tomb of Jesus by Dan Brown (author of the Da Vinci Code)
Product Description
An amazing first-hand journey to Kashmir-a look into the evidence that Jesus survived crucifixion-proof that he lived and died in Kashmir and is buried in the famous tomb known as Roza Bal. Meet the family who claim that Yuzu Asaph, Jesus, is their ancestral grandfather. Learn about the efforts to create a DNA profile of Jesus' family. From John the Apostle to Saint Thomas, many were with Jesus years after the crucifixion who have historically verified his journey. Records in Kashmir mention his wife named Marjan and their son, Ely-Kim-the same son that Saul met on the road to Damascus known as Ely-mar, 'a man with a great mind'. The most startling revelation of all? Jesus lived to fullfill the last words on the titulus, he lived to become 'King of the Jews' in India. This is a troubling and factual investigation,but necessary for a complete study of the life of Jesus after crucifixion, a life that leads us directly to his tomb and his Grail children hidden away in Paradise on Earth, Kashmir. Behind this book have gone years of danger, personal hardships,and threats from fundamentalists to bring you the research of two world experts, best known for their intimate knowledge of the tomb of Jesus. Share their journey of discovery into his tomb. Enter the world of Roza Bal.
http://http://www.amazon.com/Roza-Tomb-Jesus-Fida-Hassnain/dp/1419697587

34. Elvis believed that he was chosen by God for something special. He thought he had special powers like, hands-on-healing. I think he may have had some special gifts other than his voice. Elvis was always studying about religion. He didn't want to take any chances when it came to getting into the Kingdom of Heaven. One of his favorite books, which you will find on display at Graceland now, was The Passover Plot by Hugh Schonfield in 1966. The book is a story of how Jesus may have faked his death and came back 16 years later instead of being resurrected. Elvis may have faked his death and given up all worldly possessions in an effort to make it into the Kingdom of Heaven. Elvis once mentioned to a friend that he would like to become a Monk. After August 16, 1977, a man dressed as a Monk went into a popular entertainment club. Another customer reported that the face under the hood looked remarkably like Elvis Presley. As it turns out, the club was owned by a good friend of Elvis'.
http://http://members.fortunecity.com/sivlenoramoran/mysteries.htm

The Passover Plot
The Passover Plot is the name of a controversial, best-selling 1965 book, by British Biblical scholar Hugh J. Schonfield who has also published a translation of the New Testament informed with a Jewish perspective.

Schonfield's conclusions

Based on scholarly research into the social and religious culture in which Jesus was born, lived and died, into the source documents of the Gospels, and into other literature, Schonfield reached the following conclusions:

* That Jesus was a deeply religious Jewish man, probably well-versed in the teachings of the local northern sects such as the Nazarenes and Essenes.
* That growing up in Biblical Galilee he had a skeptical and somewhat rebellious relationship to the hierarchy and teachings mandated by the authorities (the Pharisees) of the Temple in Jerusalem.
* That Jewish Messianic expectation was extremely high in those times, matched to the despair caused by the Roman occupation of the land, and by their subjugation of the Jews.
* That he was in many ways both typical of his times, and yet extraordinary in his religious convictions and beliefs, in his scholarship of the Biblical literature, and in the fervency in which he lived his religion out in his daily life.
* That he was convinced of his role as the expected Messiah based on the authority of his having been descendant from King David (the royal bloodline of David), and that he consciously and methodically, to the point of being calculating, attempted to fulfill that role, being eminently well-versed in the details of what that role entailed.
* That he was convinced of the importance of his fulfilling the role perfectly (after all prophesy and expectation), and that he could not allow himself to fail, as that would undoubtedly lead to his being declared a false Messiah.
* That he was perfectly aware of the consequences of his actions all along the way, and that he directed his closest supporters, the original twelve Apostles, unknowingly to aid him in his plans.
* That he involved the least possible number of supporters in his plans ("need to know" basis), therefore very few knew of the details of his final plan, and even then only the least amount of information necessary.


The culmination of his plan was to be his death (the crucifixion), his resurrection and his reign as the true Kingly and Priestly Messiah, not in heaven but on earth— the realized King of the Jews.
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passover_Plot
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 01, 2010, 11:25:08 PM
I was sent this PM and asked to post our exchange. I respect that the sender wishes to share this but remain anonymous at the same time.

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Hi there,
I firmly believe that you are definitely on to something with the Jesus/Michael connection, not to mention the Back=Michael=TS connection.  I know that it's a 'hard pill to swallow' for some due to lifelong conditioning.

You have mentioned the trinity a few times now and I really think it ties in with the hoax somehow (as you mentioned, could be literally, metaphorically or symbolically).  You may have already discovered it, but if not I hope you can somehow use it for your research and/or theory.

the father in Jewish Gematria Equals: 313 = 7
the son in Jewish Gematria Equals: 293 = 14 = 7 & 7
the holy spirit in Jewish Gematria Equals: 939 = 21 = 7,7 & 7

Interestingly enough is The Son....where have we seen those initials before?  :shock:

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I am fascinated by your interpretation of the trinity info I sent you. I know it has meaning within the hoax, I just haven't figured out exactly 'how' yet....although The Son (TS) keeps jumping out at me! I would much prefer you post our findings in the thread if you would like to.

Hi,

Thank you for your message and for reading my posts. I do believe that there is connection between Michael/Jesus/Messiah/ArchAngel Michael.

the father in Jewish Gematria Equals: 313 = 7
the son in Jewish Gematria Equals: 293 = 14 = 7 & 7
the holy spirit in Jewish Gematria Equals: 939 = 21 = 7,7 & 7

Well, look at that. Seven is a spiritual number associated with God.

The Father first of the Trinity = 7
The Son the second in the trinity = 77
The Holy Spirit = 777

Combined they are the embodiment of the totality of God.
And we have 777 & 777 which could represent the dual aspects present in all of creation.

As I do believe that there is a very good chance that TS is Michael, the initials might very well represent The Son, which in turn represents the Messiah and therefore our beloved Michael.

with love
Serenity
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 01, 2010, 11:27:24 PM
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The sign of the zodiac I number 13, remember that thisisalmostit publish in his twitter on September 04 the word "Ophiuchus  " that is the name of this sign, and I to write more or less something this way that lei in Internet;

As I understood, when astrologers laid the foundations for the Zodiac of twelve signs, Ophiuchus was a constellation that was hidden or not passing by the ecliptic, and therefore was not considered a sign of the zodiac. However, the phenomenon of the precession of the equinoxes did that currently this constellation Scorpio and Sagittarius, passing through the ecliptic.

This would mean that currently the Zodiac could be composed of 13 signs, and the dates on which the sun passes through each might already distina, as a result of the precession of the equinoxes, and the inclusion of Ophiuchus as sign.

Here are some things that they found me curious about Ophiuchus:

It is found near the center of the Galaxy, opposite to the area of Orion constellation... The Mayans considered the area of the belt of Orion as a resurrection, or the heart of the creation. A place to which the Maís Dios (what mankind?) is directed in a canoe (the solar system? what Earth?) from the underworld (the center of the Galaxy?). Astronomically solar system makes a cyclical journey through the Galaxy, and in these times is coming increasingly at the Centre.

Mythological perspective, Ophiuchus was a character with very specific characteristics. Son of a God and a human, with large capacity for healing, which could even resurrect the dead.

Personally, I become characteristics similar to the attributed to Jesus in the Catholic religion. I am not surprised that the Sun at the time of his birth was passing Ophiuchus and the zodiac sign of Jesus that were. In fact some miracles attributed to Jesún included healing the sick and resurrect dead people, and likewise the Catholic religion believed in the resurrection of the dead at the end of times.
This could perhaps be an element of hope within all forecasts of chaos, war, penalties and destruction.
Leaving aside the religious and astrological point of view, and still somewhat neutral or secular, there are many coincidences that point to that "the end of time" is nearby. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it is "the end of the world". It is perhaps only the tragic end of an era decadent, following which continues a cycle of evolution which leads to a different stage, maybe better.

And the interesting thing about this is that you so you may live, because it seems the 21 or 22 December 2012.

http://elartur.blogspot.com/2009/01/ofi ... cipio.html

http://twitter.com/thisisalmostit
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 01, 2010, 11:33:21 PM
Yes, ready.

Many Blessings to you Serenity!
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

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The Zodiac and Michael Jackson

There are actually 13 signs in the zodiac.



Michael Jackson is actually a Leo.

Leo is represented by the Lion.


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Lion of Judah
In Christian tradition, the Lion of Judah represents Jesus.

The Lion and the Lamb are both the Messiah...

Revelation 5:5 (King James Version)
1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

The painting of Michael entitled "The Book".

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2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
http://http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=revelations%205&version=KJV

Lion of Judah in Ethiopia
Ethiopia's traditions, recorded and elaborated in a 13th century treatise, the "Kebre Negest", assert descent from a retinue of Israelites who returned with the Queen of Sheba from her visit to King Solomon in Jerusalem, by whom she had conceived the Solomonic dynasty's founder, Menelik I. Both Christian and Jewish Ethiopian tradition has it that these immigrants were mostly of the Tribes of Dan and Judah; hence the Ge'ez motto Mo`a 'Anbessa Ze'imnegede Yihuda  ("The Lion of the Tribe of Judah has conquered"), included among the titles of the Emperor (King of Kings) throughout the Solomonic Dynasty. It is unknown whether John of Patmos was directly aware of this hereditary title when he penned it into the text of the prophecy. The Lion of Judah motif figured prominently on the old imperial flag, currency, stamps, etc. and may still be seen gracing the terrace of the capital as a national symbol. After the collapse of the Communist Derg in 1990 and the increase of Western-style political freedoms, a minor political party bearing the name Mo'a Anbessa made its appearance.

Royal Bloodline of Ethiopia
The Ethiopian kings claim descent from King David just as the British Royal Family and all other Royal families. King David is descendant of Jesus.

See a resemblance between the way Michael is dressed and the King of Ethiopia?





Michael is descended from slaves. many slaves brought to the US were from Ethiopia.

[attachment=1:pt2iw492]Joe Jackson desecended from slaves.jpg[/attachment:pt2iw492]
This may very well be the explanation for the coat of Arms that Michael wore on his clothes and that is on the gates of Neverland.

The Sphinx
The Sphinx in Egypt is facing it's mirror image in the night sky as it looks directly at the constellation Leo.
(Man in the Mirror?)

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The Sphinx was built by Pharaoh Khafre (aka Kafra, Khefren).
Khafre was an Egyptian pharaoh of the Fourth dynasty, who had his capital at Memphis. Khafre built the second largest pyramid at Giza. The Egyptian name of the pyramid was Wer(en)-Khafre which means "Khafre is Great". He is also credited with the building of the Sphinx.



Michael recreated himself as the statue of Khafre in the HIStory CD Booklet.




The Arno Bani Photo Shoot
This photo shoot took place in 1991 but pictures have only recently been released. The photos were originally taken to be used  for the cover of the "Invincible" album.
Michael entitled these photographs "The Sphinx"




Michael's inspiration fro this photo shoot was a fashion photograph that appeared on the cover of the 'Sunday Times Style'. It features a woman who appears to be Egyptian Royalty. The particular magazine is entitled  "WRAPTURE"



The Rapture
The Rapture is an event in the futurist interpretation of Christian eschatology, in which it is posited that Christians will be gathered together in the air to meet the MESSIAH at his return.
The primary passage used to support this idea is 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, in which Paul cites "the word of the Lord" about the return of the messiah to gather his saints.
...and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.

You see we are going back in a circle now and headed into things I have already posted. Multiple clues, all ending up in the same place
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

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What is a Virtual Easter Egg?

A virtual Easter egg is an intentionally hidden message, in-joke or feature in an object such as a movie, book, CD, DVD, computer program, music/movie file, web page or video game.

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Ok, this will probably have a very simple explanation, but...here is something very odd I came across while syncronising my MJ songs in my computer.

So I have all albums added to my iTunes library, but yesterday I got a new phone and so I transferred all tracks to 'kies', which is the software I'm using for the new device. Now, you know how this software gets you all track details, right? As I was browsing through all new added tracks, I came across one that wasn't related to MJ at all -in fact, which I don't recognize at all as ever having downloaded it, or it even being in my computer as one of those dodgy music samples that come with windows player, etc.

The info about this particular track reads:

Joseph Haydn, Die sieben letzten Worte unseres Erlösers am Kreuze, Le Concert des Nations, Jordi Savall



This translates from German to English to:  
'Seven Last Words of Christ on the Cross'
http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14407

The Seven Last Words of Christ

1. Father forgive them, for they know not what they do (Luke 23:34).
2. Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise (Luke 23:43).
3. Woman, behold your son: behold your mother (John 19:26-27).
4. My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?, (Matthew 27:46and Mark 15:34).
5. I thirst (John 19:28).
6. It is finished (John 19:30).
7. Father, into your hands I commit my spirit (Luke 23:46)

Die sieben letzten Worte unseres Erlösers am Kreuze
The Seven Last Words of Christ (German: Die sieben letzten Worte unseres Erlösers am Kreuze, "The Seven Last Words of Our Saviour on the Cross") is a composition by Joseph Haydn, featuring seven meditations on the last words of Jesus Christ, commissioned in 1787 for the Good Friday service at the Grotto Santa Cueva near Cádiz in southern Spain. The work exists in several versions, including the original for orchestra, an oratorio with vocal forces, and a transcription for string quartet.
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Last_Words_of_Christ

[youtube:22fbuj7j]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGszT6Z2PWE[/youtube:22fbuj7j]

Joseph Haydn
Franz Joseph Haydn (31 March 1732 – 31 May 1809), known as Joseph Haydn was an Austrian composer, one of the most prolific and prominent composers of the classical period. He is often called the "Father of the Symphony" and "Father of the String Quartet" because of his important contributions to these genres. He was also instrumental in the development of the piano trio and in the evolution of sonata form.

A life-long resident of Austria, Haydn spent much of his career as a court musician for the wealthy Hungarian aristocratic Esterházy family on their remote estate. Isolated from other composers and trends in music until the later part of his long life, he was, as he put it, "forced to become original". At the time of his death, he was one of the most celebrated composers in Europe.

Joseph Haydn was the brother of Michael Haydn, himself a highly regarded composer, and Johann Evangelist Haydn, a tenor. He was also a close friend of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and a teacher of Ludwig van Beethoven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Haydn

Le Concert des Nations
Le Concert des Nations is an orchestra with period instruments, able to perform the orchestral and symphonic repertoire from the Baroque to Romanticism: 1600 - 1850. The orchestra was created in 1989, the youngest of the groups conducted by the Catalan maestro and viola da gamba virtuoso Jordi Savall. Le Concert des Nations is the first orchestra of its kind made up of musicians who originate mainly from Latin countries (Spain, South America, Italy, Portugal, France as well as many other countries). The name Le Concert des Nations refers to the work by François Couperin as an assembly of "tastes" and bears the mark of the Age of Enlightenment ). Le Concert des Nations is the orchestra of La Capella Reial de Catalunya.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Concert_des_Nations

François Couperin
François Couperin was a French Baroque composer, organist and harpsichordist. He was known as Couperin le Grand ("Couperin the Great") to distinguish him from other members of the musically talented Couperin family.

Couperin was born in Paris. He was taught by his father, Charles Couperin, who died when François was 10, and by Jacques Thomelin. In 1685 he became the organist at the church of Saint-Gervais, Paris, a post he inherited from his father and that he would pass on to his cousin, Nicolas Couperin. Other members of the family also later held the same position. In 1693 Couperin succeeded his teacher Thomelin as organist at the Chapelle Royale (Royal Chapel) with the title organiste du Roi, organist by appointment to Louis XIV.

In 1717 Couperin became court organist and composer, with the title ordinaire de la musique de la chambre du Roi. With his colleagues, Couperin gave a weekly concert, typically on Sunday. Many of these concerts were in the form of suites for violin, viol, oboe, bassoon and harpsichord, on which he was a virtuoso player.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Couperin

Age of Enlightenment
The Age of Enlightenment (or simply the Enlightenment) is the era in Western philosophy and intellectual, scientific, and cultural life, centered upon the 18th century, in which reason was advocated as the primary source for legitimacy and authority.

Developing simultaneously in France, Great Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy, Spain, the American colonies, and Portugal, the movement was buoyed by Atlantic Revolutions, especially the success of the American Revolution, in breaking free of the British Empire. Most of Europe was caught up, including the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Russia, and Scandinavia, along with Latin America in instigating the Haitian Revolution. The authors of the American Declaration of Independence, the United States Bill of Rights, the French Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, and the Polish-Lithuanian Constitution of May 3, 1791, were motivated by Enlightenment principles.

The "Enlightenment" was not a single movement or school of thought, for these philosophies were often mutually contradictory or divergent. The Enlightenment was less a set of ideas than it was a set of values. At its core was a critical questioning of traditional institutions, customs, and morals, and a strong belief in rationality and science. Thus, there was still a considerable degree of similarity between competing philosophies. Some historians also include the late 17th century, which is typically known as the Age of Reason or Age of Rationalism, as part of the Enlightenment; however, most historians consider the Age of Reason to be a prelude to the ideas of the Enlightenment. Modernity, by contrast, is used to refer to the period after The Enlightenment; albeit generally emphasizing social conditions rather than specific philosophies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

Jordi Savall
Jordi Savall i Bernadet (born 1941, in Igualada, Catalonia, Spain) is a Spanish Catalan viol player, conductor, and composer. He has been one of the major figures in the field of early music since the 1970s, largely responsible for bringing the viol (viola da gamba) back to life on the stage. His characteristic repertory ranges from Medieval to Renaissance and Baroque music, though he has occasionally ventured into the classical or even the romantic period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordi_Savall

The Song "Scream" Lyrics
Michael sings "Father, please have mercy, I just can't take it anymore"
4. My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?, (Matthew 27:46and Mark 15:34)

The Song "Will You Be There" Lyrics
"I'm Only Human"
"5. I thirst (John 19:28). - A human craving, a necessity of physical life.

And just a note here in the song "Will You Be There" the lyrics are also:

"Lift Me Up Slowly", "lift me up, lift me up" & "lift me"

This is a reference to the crucifixion, the "lifting" of Jesus

John 3:14 (King James Version)
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up (Physically Killed, The Crucifixion)

John 12:32-33 (King James Version)
32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die. (The Crucifixion)

Son of Man painting from the "Scream" video



Michael's nickname "Apple Head"

"This is It"
6. It is finished (John 19:30)
Michael's Crucifixion was completed and he announced this during the O2 Press conference, he then "died" and now we await his Resurrection.


The Song "This Is It"
Michael sings "I am the Light of the World, this is real".
The light of the world is another name for Jesus and/or the Messiah.
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 02, 2010, 12:02:33 AM
"Casket Man": Another Clue...
On July 20, 2009, an unusual video was uploaded to a channel on youtube called "Casketamerica". http://www.youtube.com/user/Casketamerica

The video is entitled:

Michael Jackson Casket - Sleep In One At Your House!

Video Description: DON'T BELIEVE THE STORIES!!! Regardless of media reports, Michael Jackson was in his Golden Casket. It is unethical to think otherwise, regardless of the circumstances! Let the "King of Pop" rest in peace...NOW, you can have your own peace of mind by owning a reproduction of his famous Golden Casket: complete with Flame Blue Velvet Interior, "Engraved Memorial Plate" and "Certificate of Authenticity." Use this most unique momento to store your MJ concert memorabilia, clothing, music, posters, etc...you can even add a CD or MP3 player to "rock the evening all night long" and even sleep in it. (Although a genuine burial casket, it has a safety non-gasketed lid for home use.)

[youtube:1dtjcg9i]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F599ZCcwMwg[/youtube:1dtjcg9i]

This video upset many people and a campaign to have it removed was even started but there are few things that actually make this video seem like it might be Joke created by Michael Jackson himself.

1. The whole premise is ridiculous and quite silly to begin with.
2. The video lists a website for more information at : http://www.casketamerica.com this website doesn't exist.
3. The Company: Casket America also doesn't even exist.

But there was something interesting at the end of the video did you catch it?
Here is a screen shot:



2009 -1988 = 21
21 = 3 x 7


777

The triple seven (777) is symbolic of God; it is literally God's number.

But there is also this...

1988 - 1958 = 30

Ministry of Jesus
According to the Canonical Gospels, the ministry of Jesus began when Jesus was around 30 years old and lasted a period of 1–3 years. In the biblical narrative, Jesus' method of teaching involved parables, metaphor, allegory, sayings, proverbs, and a small number of direct sermons. This was the first coming of Jesus; as most Christian denominations believe in a Second Coming when Jesus will return to the earth to fulfill aspects of Messianic prophecy, such as the general Resurrection of the Dead, the Last Judgment of the dead and the living and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth (also called the "Reign of God"), including the Messianic Age.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Jesus
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 02, 2010, 12:10:50 AM
I posted this another thread but it is a symbolic representation of the Trinity.
The Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit.

Quote from: "salomon"
look at this link and observe Michael's face, it's a new book about Michael. Do you see the same thing ?

This is the official site of the book: http://www.mjthrillerbook.com/

Publication Date: October 28, 2010 by Filipacchi Publishing.



http://http://mjfrance.com/actu/index.php?post/2010/09/26/Livre%3A-Michael-Jackson%3A-The-Making-Of-Thriller-4-Days/1983.../2098

The Three Faces of God.







Screen capture from the unusual video by Dave Dave



[youtube:3dn9cejn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GolrKskS55U[/youtube:3dn9cejn]
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 02, 2010, 01:51:57 AM
wow.  this is amazing.  serenity's dream, you should write a book about this.  it'd be the best book out there about Michael.
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 02, 2010, 04:22:54 PM
WoW! I'm amazed by your post....i always had the feeling that Michael was very very religious...and that he wants to spread the messages of love to everyone....I always thought that even his death would be Jesus-like.
Please tell me.. what's your opinion about this "back" forum user?
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 02, 2010, 06:39:25 PM
Duality
Two pictures used at the funeral from Liberian Girl.
Two pictures symbolizing duality, the human and divine natures that also defined the natures of Jesus.





Wow, that is interesting, Serenity. Funny thing is, I have one of these Liberian Girl shots saved to the PC (in a MJ pics folder) mainly cuz it's nice and I wanted to draw it one day. But the way his right hand is wrapped, it never crossed my mind how similar it could be to Jesus' hands being wrapped up in bandages from the wounding of nails. I mean I noticed the papers on his fingertips but not his wrapped hand, not in the way you mentioned it here. x]  :)

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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 02, 2010, 07:14:58 PM
Amazing job Serenity, thanks a lot for your research interesting reading.  :)

Lots of reading to do tomorrow.

 ;)
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 02, 2010, 07:17:08 PM
Thank you very much, Serenity!!  :)
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Akon on MJ, May 2009]The way he thinks....some artists think regional, some think national, I was thinking international. He thinks planets. It\'s on another level...[/size][/color]

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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 02, 2010, 07:54:02 PM
i have to be honest and say i have been totally confused by all the religious side of things... but this has helped me understand a bit better...i will come on again tomorrow to re-read..thank you so much serenity  :D
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 03, 2010, 05:21:56 AM
Please watch this video by Seeing Clues, it reveals some very interesting things.

[youtube:33glgfo1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZd_243ZjA[/youtube:33glgfo1]
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 03, 2010, 07:49:29 AM
Great Scot, Serenitys_Dream, you are on the trail! :o
All I could think of to respond right now is --way back in the beginning last summer I couldn't get this out of my head. That The Thriller was the Messiah, the Christ. He is both the evil and the good, the duality you spoke of. I remember one time Michael said shyly that he was "bad in the song Bad, but in a good way". :lol: In the sense that God is the originator of both good and evil, all for the purpose of darkness showing the Light. Evil is a backdrop to show the sheer beauty of goodness and love.
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Thriller lyrics
Songwriters: Temperton, Rod;
It's close to midnight and something evil's lurking in the dark
Under the moonlight, you see a sight that almost stops your heart
You try to scream but terror takes the sound before you make it
You start to freeze as horror looks you right between the eyes
You're paralyzed

'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
And no one's gonna save you from the beast about strike
You know it's thriller, thriller night
You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight

You hear the door slam and realize there's nowhere left to run
You feel the cold hand and wonder if you'll ever see the sun
You close your eyes and hope that this is just imagination, girl!
But all the while you hear the creature creeping up behind
You're out of time

'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
There ain't no second chance against the thing with forty eyes, girl
Thriller, thriller night
You're fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight

Night creatures calling, the dead start to walk in their masquerade
There's no escaping the jaws of the alien this time
(They're open wide)
This is the end of your life

They're out to get you, there's demons closing in on every side
They will possess you unless you change that number on your dial
Now is the time for you and I to cuddle close together, yeah
All through the night I'll save you from the terror on the screen
I'll make you see

That this is thriller, thriller night
'Cause I can thrill you more than any ghost would ever dare try
Thriller, thriller night
So let me hold you tight and share a
Killer, diller, chiller, thriller here tonight

'Cause this is thriller, thriller night
Girl, I can thrill you more than any ghost would ever dare try
Thriller, thriller night
So let me hold you tight and share a killer, thriller, ow!

(I'm gonna thrill ya tonight)
Darkness falls across the land
The midnight hour is close at hand
Creatures crawl in search of blood
To terrorize y'alls neighborhood

I'm gonna thrill ya tonight, ooh baby
I'm gonna thrill ya tonight, oh darlin'
Thriller night, baby, ooh!

The foulest stench is in the air
The funk of forty thousand years
And grizzly ghouls from every tomb
Are closing in to seal your doom

And though you fight to stay alive
Your body starts to shiver
For no mere mortal can resist
The evil of the thriller

© RODSONGS;
Michael IS the Thriller, he is the "evil" in a good way, he is the solution!  He has thrilled, is thrilling and he will thrill us again in the future. This song captures all History--40 thousand years? :lol:  This is Revelation end-times in its terror and grisliness, and Resurrection in its Glory and comfort. This song has stirred the heart-strings of all humanity, and cuts to our core being. God has encapsulated the story of man's history and future in a comedy format, with the Messiah as the Thriller. Just my impressions. Two other creation's of MJ's that really stuck with me are PM's and MJ's song "The Man" and MJ's poem "Magical child". Both speak of divinity strongly.

Serenity_Dream is there any detailed study you could do from your perspective, on this Michael's greatest masterpiece of all time? You are a gifted researcher and presenter. Thanks! :)
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 03, 2010, 11:08:08 AM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
. I remember one time Michael said shyly that he was "bad in the song Bad, but in a good way".
Did you watch the video? it clearly speaks for it self
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 03, 2010, 11:59:59 AM
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Please watch this video by Seeing Clues, it reveals some very interesting things.

[youtube:z3lo3sdq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZd_243ZjA[/youtube:z3lo3sdq]
WOW, sorry serenity, but i have to post this in hoax video section. if you don't mind :lol:
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 03, 2010, 12:20:38 PM
Quote from: "sprint911"
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Please watch this video by Seeing Clues, it reveals some very interesting things.

[youtube:ih6dd9mz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZd_243ZjA[/youtube:ih6dd9mz]
WOW, sorry serenity, but i have to post this in hoax video section. if you don't mind :lol:
Hmmm Ian Halperin said that in "his last days" he red the bible  (clue?)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... -life.html
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 03, 2010, 12:27:32 PM
This video this one very good, I had never thought in the dates of TMZ's articles and to relate them that way, a test mas of that this TMZ in the hoax. Thank you  serenity ;)

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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 03, 2010, 02:10:43 PM
this video was simply AMAZING!!!! It's a goosebump moment for me here, right now, the first ever watching a "hoax" vid, my goodness this makes sense!
With this in mind does anybody think we could actually predict future aticles regarding MJ via TMZ? I'm absolutely not religious at all, but i'd like to give it a try "predicting " what articles may come next and on what dates, regarding anything MJ through TMZ using the "gospel" and dates still to come , i'm thinking stuff concerning Murray this month...
Do i just google "gospel" or "bible" or "old or new testament" or what? Can anybody point me in the right direction please? I would'nt know where to start. Thanks :mrgreen:
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Re: Michael Jackson and Religious Symbolism

  • on: October 03, 2010, 02:41:02 PM
Thought about this some more and remembered something! Some where on this forum are examples of TMZ articles where it seems they waited to post these articles until a certain time or date, i don't know if anyone knows what i'm on about?? We got alot of 3's and 7's and 9's etc from the post "times" but this "gospel" stuff could absolutely tie in with the dates.
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