***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

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***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 14, 2009, 04:24:16 AM
Michael´s last public appearance at the O2 press conference, that also marks the "Beginning" of THIS IS IT in the public eye, has been the subject of the most controversial discussions since March.

Was it him? Was he not? Were there two of him? Was he fatally ill?
Was he looking forward to the concerts - or rather not?

During the last months, like most of you, I´ve watched his O2 speech several times - and it caused conflicting emotions. However, with advanced time and considering the latest developments, there are still 5 things surrounding the conference that bother me:

1. Michael Jackson´s THIS IS IT  / Elvis „THAT`S THE WAY IT IS“

Quite a lot of us believe by now, that the „This is it“ movie was planned from the start and the announced 10/ 30 / 50 concerts were never meant to be. All the more interesting ist he comparsion with Elvis´ 1970 concert documentary „That´s the way it is“ about Elvis´ summer shows in Las Vegas and the Rehearsals for it in Culver City, CA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis:_Tha ... _Way_It_Is

I also remember someone @ MJHD mentioned the resemblance between the floral design shirts:

Elvis rehearsing in Culver City for „That´s the way it is“ 1970:
http://lasvegascityview.com/LVCV-ELV/LV ... 201969.jpg

Michael at the O2 press conference this year in London:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/ ... 68x855.jpg


2. The  „Punches“

Honestly, it took me a while to link one to the other but  - considering the point above – it makes sense. The „Karate punches“ also were a kind of „signature move“ of Elvis in the 70´s. Elvis had a strong interest in martial arts at that period and time and again he also demonstrated his ability during his live shows:

Elvis 1974 in Las Vegas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5YHDGT4z8M

Michael´s punches at the O2 press conference (start@ 5:55):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnxqRdSX78E


3. The  „Last curtain“

Beside the known parallels to Joey Skaggs project „Final curtain“ and also the same-titled book of “Deaths of noted movie and tv celebrities“ there also is -  you´ll already assume it;) – an Elvis connection.

Elvis concert in Indianapolis was released on video entitled: „The final curtain“ -
it was his last live performance on the 26th June 1977.
http://www.elvisdvdcovers.com/dvdlarge% ... urtain.jpg


Besides those similarities, Michael´s mannerism at the O2 stroke many as odd.
But thankfully body language speaks louder than words ... ;)


4. The  unfulfilled sentence & the smile

„These will be my final performances in London – this is it!
And when I say this is it, I really mean this is it, because.....“

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-am6sHH_wUQ   (start@ 2:55)

This specific smile, that closes his sentence has already been described a lot.
But I think it can´t be mentioned enough here: imo it´s what I´d call an impish smile.
The smile of someone, who already knows the main point of a story before it is told. Someone who is trying hard to control himself  not to spoil it for the unknowing. ( Probably every one knows that reaction from ourselves when a familar joke is told.. lol;)

Imo this little laughing fit speaks clearly against an ill health argument - it more sounds like, he can´t explain "because" at that moment, but one can feel a thrill of anticipation.

5. His love message / intonation

„I love you... I really do... you have to know that... I love you so much.. really
– from the bottom of my heart.“

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-am6sHH_wUQ  (start@4:25)

Listen closely – how does it sound to you?

He uses striking many intensifiers, almost like he wants to assure and reassure people:
„:... I really do.... you have to know that...really.“
but moreover, his voice sounds almost regretful (pityingly?) when he accents them.

But why so grave?  Because he knows very well what happens next, if all goes to plan?  
Because he anticipates that his adoring fans who cheer now will suffer the most?
Is it „solace in advance“ in a way? However, it shows that he doesn´t take it all lightly and he definiteley cares.  

Summarizing the o2 press conference, what strikes odd is Michael´s mood swing between cheerful larking and farewell,  confidence and a remarkable unease, familarity and never seen before peculiarities.
And with the benefit of hindsight, some coincidences seem to be less accidentally, but in fact very well designed and staged.

To me, his announcement was "the Beginning" of THIS IS IT and the whole chain of things, that happened after:
Isn´t it the chance now - not alone for the fans but  for the world - to discover "the man we never knew"?
His opus and his whole being - unprejudiced?

Isn´t it an adventure – a great adventure? To witness something the world hasn´t seen before?

And we haven´t reached the end yet...  ***
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 18, 2009, 05:03:03 PM
Hmm, very thought-provoking.  Thank you.  I believe Michael and Elvis were very similar.
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 18, 2009, 05:22:36 PM
I think you are right  I read that Michael was nervous he did not want to go he barracaded himself in his hotel room they had trouble getting him there so i feel it was a huge step for him and he was scared then the makeup it was as if he was covering his face almost like a defence mechanism I read that he fell over before the announcment and he seemed to be almost feeling sorry for what  was going to happen but excited but reassuring  but he did look nervous there at first i thought he was very ill but now it all seems to make sense
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 20, 2009, 04:10:09 AM
Thank you for your feedback and your thoughts on it - it tells me that it´s not just me...  ;)
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 20, 2009, 04:37:24 AM
i think you should do some more thinkin an write some more!! that was awsome an sooo interesting to read.. well done!! keep going!! :) woo.. :) *claps hands*
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 20, 2009, 05:16:23 AM
Quote from: "lisap27"
i think you should do some more thinkin an write some more!! that was awsome an sooo interesting to read.. well done!! keep going!! :) woo.. :) *claps hands*


Wow, thank you for your sweet praise- it made my dark complexion blush!  :P
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 20, 2009, 06:26:59 AM
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4. The  unfulfilled sentence & the smile

5. His love message / intonation

Wow, those are great observations! Couldn't say it better! The O2 conference is one of the biggest bugs for me in this chain of events and I also feel like it actually was the beginning of something... well, we all know what now!

If there's the beginning, there must be an end too. A great performance artist such as MJ should know that!

Keep it coming, loved to read your thoughts!
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 20, 2009, 06:30:55 AM
Very good post and some excellent points.
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 20, 2009, 11:57:54 AM
rag doll, Thank you for your interesting post. Your insight into the O2 press conference is very enlightening.
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 20, 2009, 12:08:02 PM
@rag doll
you are right about all the similarities... ;)
i think he was very unconfortable at the O2 because that was the beggining of this great hoax... i really think this... i feel it!
i post a topic about the advertising on tv of this shows and i thing at the beggining maybe we found the best clues because this thing is very well planned.
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 21, 2009, 03:39:56 AM
CC wrote:
"I think he was very unconfortable at the O2 because that was the beggining of this great hoax... i really think this... i feel it!"

I´m with you CC - that´s exactly my point!   ;)

What would cause such a visible edginess on a versed speaker and versatile artist just as Michael Jackson?
Another concert series after 45 years in showbusiness? - I don´t think so.

But rather something that is as new and exciting for him as for us... 8-)
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 21, 2009, 06:47:19 AM
Quote from: "rag doll"
CC wrote:
"I think he was very unconfortable at the O2 because that was the beggining of this great hoax... i really think this... i feel it!"

I´m with you CC - that´s exactly my point!   ;)

What would cause such a visible edginess on a versed speaker and versatile artist just as Michael Jackson?
Another concert series after 45 years in showbusiness? - I don´t think so.

But rather something that is as new and exciting for him as for us... 8-)
I totally agree! :D
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 25, 2009, 08:30:33 PM
Excellent observation!!! I like the idea of him feeling pitiful or regretful when speaking to the fans of how much he loved them. He knew what was going to happen and I think he felt sorry for us all in advance.
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 25, 2009, 08:41:14 PM
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Excellent observation!!! I like the idea of him feeling pitiful or regretful when speaking to the fans of how much he loved them. He knew what was going to happen and I think he felt sorry for us all in advance.

AND HE KNEW THAT WHEN HE DIES ALL THE MEDIA WILL BE SEARCHING HIS LAST PERFORMANCE IN PUBLIC AND HE KNEW THAT THIS IS IT ANOUNCEMENT WOULD BE THE LAST... ;)
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 25, 2009, 08:57:05 PM
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@rag doll
you are right about all the similarities... ;)
i think he was very unconfortable at the O2 because that was the beggining of this great hoax... i really think this... i feel it!
i post a topic about the advertising on tv of this shows and i thing at the beggining maybe we found the best clues because this thing is very well planned.
I agree, I have always thought that the 02 speech was the start to the hoax and maybe this is why he appeared unusually confident and somewhat jumpy and nervous instead of his usual humbleness. Very good post and beautifully written.
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: December 28, 2009, 03:23:09 AM
Quote from: "rag doll"
Thank you for your feedback and your thoughts on it - it tells me that it´s not just me...  ;)

Definitely not just you! Excellent work. I love how you have paralleled the similarities between Elvis and Michael. I too believe the 02 holds the key to the beginning of the hoax! I am with you in thought, sentiment and ideas since the very beginning and you know it ;)  Good work and Bravo!!!
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: January 14, 2010, 02:01:00 PM
Great work  i agree with all the similarities
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: January 14, 2010, 03:08:27 PM
WOW so clear  :shock: I always assume that it all started at the O2 conference but now I know...What a great post rag doll...Bravo!This just made my day! ;)
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: January 28, 2010, 02:19:25 AM
I believe the hoax started at the O2 conference too.  Just the title itself "This is It".  The fact that he kept saying it over and over like get this in your heads.  It was like he was saying farewell to all the craziness in his life and that he was leaving.  He had to leave for a good reason.  He knew it was time that he had to go but he was trying to let the fans know that even though he might be leaving he still love everybody.  He said I love you from the bottom of my heart.  I think that he is passing the torch to his family too.  He's giving them the opportunity to shine the brothers and the next generation of Jacksons since the spotlight has been on him for so long.  I think he wants all the lies and everything that he went through to be brought to the public's attention.  Like the FBI files that were just released and the pepsi commercial.  We never knew that he was hounded by the FBI or that his life was threatened before those files came out.  We never knew the severeness of his accident until that pepsi commercial was released.  Everything is happening and unfolding for a reason I believe.
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: January 28, 2010, 03:48:51 AM
Yes, his quote "It´s your time to shine" has become self-fulfilling within the last months.
The dancers are across-the-board very young, also Orianthi, and think about the young boy who sang at the "memorial".
His brothers have the opportunity to amend and to humanize the adulterated picture of the family in public.
And even all of us here seem to have a little part in the whole... remember the TII "mosaic" for example?

Someone wrote here some days ago: this is the first time in his life that he leans back and enjoys the show...
maybe "this is it"?  8-)
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Re: ***THIS IS IT / THAT´S THE WAY IT IS***

  • on: January 28, 2010, 09:12:04 AM
It is a really great post and you speak the word right out of my mouth!
It's exactly what I've thought all the time about that Conference.

He felt nervous about what is goin to be done...He knew it.

His "I love you..I really do...you have to know that, really!"  is like he's sorry for what he has to do but it has to be done.....So yeah maybe he makes room for the next generation? Is this his way of leaving the spotlight?

This is it<--- so this could mean that he will not come back? (anyway I hope he will, I really do)

Or it's the time for the family to bring his name back into the "right position". To forget the "Wacko Jacko" stories and the sueings and the "financial problems"?

I mean, in all the last Interviews, they talked about him, about his Charities ( Just remember Latoyas Speech in Germany about his good heart and that the he've done all he could do for children....

And when the time is right, he will come back?
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