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Lupus.....Could this explain...

  • on: September 09, 2010, 10:54:36 PM
Hey I am just wondering. I know that most of us have read through the "A.R" on MJ but what I would like to know is ......does LUPUS cause lung damage in any type of way? Does it depend on the type of Lupus?  I just keep thinking about the condition of the lungs as stated in the A.R. I am also wondering if maybe this kinda can explain why MJ was saying goodbye to everyone?  I am sorry just thinking out loud. I mean is it possible that MJ KNEW he was gonna die? I mean if he knew this ...would this not explain the reaction of the family? Maybe the family knew something we didn't know about MJ's health condition? Maybe they did not want to disclose this information to his fans and the world ( reason for the burial, memorial...ect) it was no surprise to them (reason for their emotions?)
 Could this be?
I also keep thinking to his meeting with Andre Crouch? I mean why would MJ meet and pray with them? Rodney Jerkins stated that MJ had them play a song entitled "It won't be long" Wont be long before what?  What was the reason for MJ's meeting. We need to go back a bit. I feel that his meeting with them means something right?
Rodney Jerkins was like DID HE KNOW?
 :cry:  :cry: I can't believe that I am still here after soooo many months day in and day out> But I cannot let go of this . I NEED to know what happened to MJ. :( Your thoughts?
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Re: Lupus.....Could this explain...

  • on: September 09, 2010, 11:20:16 PM
On the rumor (in December/2008) really Jermaine told Fox News that Michael was not in a good time!
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 :arrow: http://tvoneblogs.com/thespin/uncategor ... k-1970.htm
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Re: Lupus.....Could this explain...

  • on: September 09, 2010, 11:20:28 PM
My mother was 45 when she died of Lupus.  There wasn't alot of cases 30yrs ago, but she had problems with her lungs at the end.  She was on heavy doses of steriods and anti-inflammatory drugs....15 tablets 3 times a day!!!  Each tablet did one thing, and then the other tablets were to counteract the side effects.  My mum lost all of her hair due to the drugs, and had many seizures and would collapse.  It does cause rheumatoid problems.  She could not go out into the sun as she would break out in a terrible rash.  Lupus is kind of like an autoimmune disease, similar to aids, and can simulate the same symptoms.....First signs are weight loss, followed with extreme tiredness.  
she had to be extremely careful when around other people, as a simple cold could kill her.

Lupus is a tricky disease.  A butterfly rash appearance on the cheeks is the giveaway!!!
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Re: Lupus.....Could this explain...

  • on: September 09, 2010, 11:21:57 PM
Lupus is a very diverse disorder and this is one of the reasons it is sometimes difficult to diagnose, and why some patients wait for years for a proper diagnosis. It can affect many organ systems in a large number of ways. The lungs are frequently involved and can be the initial presenting complaint or occur late in the course of established disease. The seriousness of lung involvement varies from that which produces no symptoms and has no consequence to potentially very serious changes.

Causes of Lung Involvement

Microscopic examination of the patient's affected lung has shown a variety of changes including bleeding, inflammation and congestion. Thickening of the lung wall and damage to the blood vessels is also seen. It is thought that these problems are brought about by deposition of complexes which are formed when the body launches an immune attack against itself. Why these complexes should be deposited in the lungs (or anywhere else for that matter) is largely unknown, Types of lung involvement in lupus can be divided up as shown below. A brief description of each is included in brackets. Lupus commonly affects the lungs and has been reported in half of all patients with lupus. Its seriousness varies from the very worrying to the totally and wholly asymptomatic, not requiring any treatment at all. It is, in general, picked up by symptoms of lung involvement (chest pain), shortness of breath, coughing up blood, or by evidence of lung involvement on clinical examination and sometimes by special tests. Diagnosis may be simple or difficult depending on the type of underlying lung involvement.

The Variants of Lung Involvement in Lupus

1. Pleural Disease (Inflammation of the lung lining)

This is a disorder of the lining of the lung (pleura) and is the commonest manifestation of lung involvement in lupus. Inflammation gives rise to pleurisy, a type of chest pain characterised by sharpness, which is worsened by breathing in. The pain has a knife-like quality. this sort of problem has been recorded in about half of all patients with lupus. It may also occur without giving rise to any symptoms and has been seen in many patients who do not recall having had any chest pain at all. If the pleura does become inflamed then fluid may collect. this is normally small volumes and it is unusual to get large collections around the lungs.

The fluid that collects around the lungs in patients with lupus has certain characteristic abnormalities which may assist the doctor in diagnosing what the cause of the fluid is. In all patients other causes of fluid in the lungs needs to be excluded. the main lines of treatment are non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs but small doses of oral steroid tablets (Prednisolone) are sometimes required to effectively relieve the pain. More aggressive treatments including surgical removing of the lining of the lung are, fortunately, rarely needed.

2. Acute Lupus Pneumonitis (lung inflammation)

This type of lung disease is fortunately rare and typically affects about 5% of all lupus sufferers. the patients present with shortness of breath, couch, rapid breathing and occasionally coughing up blood. What happens is that there is marked increase in the number of white cells within the lung which produces the clinical symptoms. The reason for this is unknown. Most patients who develop this complication have lupus involvement in other organ systems. An infectious cause for the symptoms must be rigorously excluded. High dose steroids are the mainstay of treatment.

3. Pulmonary/Alveolar haemorrhage (Bleeding into the lungs)

This is a very rare, dangerous manifestation of lupus. the presentation is similar to that of acute lupus pneumonitis but coughing up blood is a prominent symptom; this may be so bad that a patient loses so much blood that the blood pressure falls and they become shocked. in most patients this occurs in a background of pre-existing involvement of other organ systems. the blood count falls and the chest X-ray typically shows fluffy shadows. the diagnosis is made on the clinical presentation and by taking some lung to look at under the microscope. Aggressive treatment at a centre with experience is most likely to lead to a good outcome.

4. Diffuse Interstitial Lung Disease

This complication, which is seen commonly in rheumatoid arthritis, affects a small percentage of patients with lupus. the commonest presentation is a chronic cough, without sputum, and shortness of breath on mild exertion. the X-rays of such patients may be normal in the early stages but later show either small areas of thickened lung tissue, particularly at the bottom (bases) of the lungs. Breathing tests suggest that the lung is not as effective at exchanging gases as it ought to be. Lung scan (CT scan) gives a definitive diagnosis and will often show much of the changes are due to inflammation and how much due to the thickening and scarring. treatment is with (initially) high dose steroid and steroid sparing agents. there are also a number of experimental treatments which had not yet been validated by well designed controlled trials.

5. Pulmonary Embolism or clots on the lungs

This complication, whereby a clot which has formed in the calf veins, breaks off and travels through the venous system and ends up in the lungs causing death to a small a part of the lung. Although this may be seen in otherwise normal people, it is commoner in patients with lupus. It is much more common in those patients with lupus who have a circulating lupus anticoagulant or other anti-phospholipid antibodies. Treatment involves determining what the underlying cause is and thinning the blood down with initially Heparin, which is given by intravenous injection and later by Warfarin, tablet given by mouth. (See Hughes' Syndrome).

6. Pulmonary Hypertension (High blood pressure in the lungs)

Severe high blood pressure within the lungs is rare but mild cases are much more common. The most common complaints are shortness of breath on exertion and a chronic cough. Fatigue is another common but difficult to assess symptoms. It is thought that there is a strong genetic contribution to the development of this condition. there are a large number of treatments which can be tried, but none are terribly successful.

7. Shrinking Lung Syndrome

This was first described in a group of patients in 1965. The main symptom is shortness of breath with exertion but the patients are otherwise clinically well. the chest X-ray does not show any shadow, but the amount of lung available for gas exchange is markedly reduced. the diaphragm, which inflates the lung, also appears not to be working normally in such cases. This tends to be a chronic, low grade problem and treatment is with steroids but it is not always effective.

8. Airflow Limitation (narrowing of the airways)

This is seen in a small number of patients and is strongly associated with cigarette smoking, but it can occur in patients who have never smoked at all. It is thought that this condition is worsened by fatigue of the muscles of breathing which has been seen in 75% of lupus patients. Treatment is with sprays to open up the airways and perhaps tablets to assist this. the main symptoms are shortness of breath of exertion, sometimes accompanied by wheeziness.

9. Infection of the lungs (bronchitis and pneumonia)

This is commoner in patients with lupus than those without. this is partly due to the lupus itself and partly due to the use of steroid and other immunosuppressive drugs used to treat the underlying lupus. The presentation and clinical course of infection in lupus is often different to that of patients without lupus.

http://www.lupus-support.org.uk/Lung.htm
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Re: Lupus.....Could this explain...

  • on: September 09, 2010, 11:33:21 PM
One thing I dont understand. IF the family didnt want to tell his fans of any disease or illness to protect his legacy........WHY ON EARTH would they allow the media AND themselves, try to convince us that he was a drug addict, the so called failed interventions etc ? To me it would be better to say he died of lupas or lung disease, rather than addicted to presciption meds.  :?
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Re: Lupus.....Could this explain...

  • on: September 09, 2010, 11:38:50 PM
The Washington Post
Monday, December 22, 2008; 12:00 AM

Here are some of the latest health and medical news developments, compiled by editors of HealthDay:

Michael Jackson Said to Need Lung Transplant

Michael Jackson, the self-proclaimed King of Pop, needs a lung transplant because he's suffering from a rare respiratory condition, according to the author of a new Jackson biography.

Author Ian Halperin told In Touch magazine and Britain's Sunday Express newspaper that the reclusive performer may even be fighting for his life, the Houston Chronicle newspaper reported on its Web site.

Halperin said Jackson has been diagnosed with Alpha 1-antitrypsin deficiency, an occasionally fatal genetic condition.

"He's had it for years, but it's gotten worse,'' Halperin told In Touch. "He needs a lung transplant but may be too weak to go through with it. He also has emphysema and chronic gastrointestinal bleeding, which his doctors have had a lot of trouble stopping. It's the bleeding that is the most problematic part. It could kill him,'' according to the Chronicle.

Jackson "can barely speak" and "the vision in his left eye is 95 percent gone," Halperin said.

Jackson's spokesman was unavailable for comment Sunday. But the singer's brother Jermaine didn't deny the reports, telling Fox News, "He's not doing so well right now. This isn't a good time," the Chronicle reported.

Dr. Len Horovitz, a pulmonary specialist at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City, treated Jackson at Lenox Hill in 1999.  :roll:

"Alpha-1-anti-trypsin deficiency is a relatively rare genetic disorder that becomes apparent in young adulthood and early middle age, especially if smoking is added to the equation," Horovitz said in a hospital news release. "The liver can also be affected, causing cirrhosis. The disease produces an early-onset emphysema, just as one might see in an older smoker. Treatment for mild or moderate cases involves infusions of a specific medication. In advanced stages, a lung transplant may be necessary.

"Since this is a genetic disorder, other members of the Jackson family must be tested for this genetic variant,"
:shock:  :?:  Horovitz added.

 :arrow: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01103.html
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Re: Lupus.....Could this explain...

  • on: September 09, 2010, 11:40:08 PM
My mother had systemic lupus, and this is how she finally died...I found her in the bathtub, after her bath...she was coughing up blood and was having trouble breathing..she was in so much pain, and was drowning from her lungs...she died in the ambulance, they managed to resuscitate her but she remained on life support and in a coma and died again 33 days later.....She was diagnosed 18mths before she died. :(

3. Pulmonary/Alveolar haemorrhage (Bleeding into the lungs)

This is a very rare, dangerous manifestation of lupus. the presentation is similar to that of acute lupus pneumonitis but coughing up blood is a prominent symptom; this may be so bad that a patient loses so much blood that the blood pressure falls and they become shocked. in most patients this occurs in a background of pre-existing involvement of other organ systems. the blood count falls and the chest X-ray typically shows fluffy shadows. the diagnosis is made on the clinical presentation and by taking some lung to look at under the microscope. Aggressive treatment at a centre with experience is most likely to lead to a good outcome.
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Re: Lupus.....Could this explain...

  • on: September 09, 2010, 11:45:33 PM
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Re: Lupus.....Could this explain...

  • on: September 10, 2010, 12:05:15 PM
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One thing I dont understand. IF the family didnt want to tell his fans of any disease or illness to protect his legacy........WHY ON EARTH would they allow the media AND themselves, try to convince us that he was a drug addict, the so called failed interventions etc ? To me it would be better to say he died of lupas or lung disease, rather than addicted to presciption meds.  :?

That is the one thing that leaves me puzzled! I mean why the drug stories. The final cause of death as stated in the A.R. was Acute Propofol Intoxication right? So....where does that leave us? I mean would the family fuel the stories of drugs to cover up the real reason . I mean how in the heck did Ian Halperin learn this from which source I wonder? U know? SO confusing. Maybe the person who actually passed was somone else if we go by the condition of the lungs? But if it really was MJ then.........we have the A.R. report with its findings on the condition of the lungs.....and if we go back seems that MJ had lupus? Didn't Dr. Klein state that MJ had lupus?!! :shock:
Still why would MJ say goodbye? Why would he meet with Andre Crouch right before his death? DId MJ;'s illness reach the terminal stage..and MJ just KNEW! :( We need to figure this out so my mind can rest. It has been such a loooong journey since Last June. I guess we start with finding out if MJ was Officially diagnosed with lupus?
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Re: Lupus.....Could this explain...

  • on: September 10, 2010, 12:05:46 PM
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One thing I dont understand. IF the family didnt want to tell his fans of any disease or illness to protect his legacy........WHY ON EARTH would they allow the media AND themselves, try to convince us that he was a drug addict, the so called failed interventions etc ? To me it would be better to say he died of lupas or lung disease, rather than addicted to presciption meds.  :?

That is the one thing that leaves me puzzled! I mean why the drug stories. The final cause of death as stated in the A.R. was Acute Propofol Intoxication right? So....where does that leave us? I mean would the family fuel the stories of drugs to cover up the real reason . I mean how in the heck did Ian Halperin learn this from which source I wonder? U know? SO confusing. Maybe the person who actually passed was somone else if we go by the condition of the lungs? But if it really was MJ then.........we have the A.R. report with its findings on the condition of the lungs.....and if we go back seems that MJ had lupus? Didn't Dr. Klein state that MJ had lupus?!! :shock:
Still why would MJ say goodbye? Why would he meet with Andre Crouch right before his death? DId MJ;'s illness reach the terminal stage..and MJ just KNEW! :( We need to figure this out so my mind can rest. It has been such a loooong journey since Last June. I guess we start with finding out if MJ was Officially diagnosed with lupus?
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Re: Lupus.....Could this explain...

  • on: September 10, 2010, 12:50:23 PM
But how do you explain that he passed the health tests to do the shows???

I'm not saying he doesnt have lupus...just doubt it was as serious as they were trying to tell us. Adds up with the story of "six months to live". To me it seems like part of the hoax...
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Re: Lupus.....Could this explain...

  • on: September 10, 2010, 01:15:08 PM
You all are talkin' about Sistemic Lupus Erithematosus. As far as I know, it has been said he has Discoid Lupus.
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Re: Lupus.....Could this explain...

  • on: September 10, 2010, 05:38:38 PM
I had a childhood friend who died 2 yrs ago of Lupus. Lupus attacks all organs, It makes you swell up, causing migraines, fatigue, and they cannot be under the sun. My friend always had a hat on or an umbrella when it was sunny. I guess we know why Michael was walking with an umbrella.  Also with the vitiligo Michael had couldn't be under the son either.
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